D (2:30)

But she was convicted of child sex trafficking.

C (2:33)

Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to take a look at it. I'd have to ask doj. I didn't know they rejected it. I didn't know she was even asking for it, frankly, Steve.

A (2:41)

So yeah, we'll talk. We'll talk more about what the Supreme Court ruled there. But I mean, just to even say, I don't even know who that is. Really.

B (2:53)

Come on, seriously.

A (2:55)

You told Todd Blanche to go move her to a low security. Come on. Anyway, just ridiculous. And we should note that there will be a press conference tomorrow with Epstein survivors and that press conference is going to be about the discharge petition. Everybody keep calling. That's your good trouble today. Keep calling Mike Johnson's office to have Adelita Grijalva sworn in. She is the 218th signature. And right now the people of Arizona 7th are being taxed without representation because he won't swear her in. Joshua Aaron appeared on Rachel Maddow last night after we interviewed him for the beans yesterday. So thanks to everybody for listening to that interview. And we could have some breaking news pretty soon in that story. So stay tuned to my substack. That's mellisherote.com and also there you can watch the coverage of the emergency Sunday night hearing in the Portland National Guard case. I spoke with Anna Bauer and Adam Klassfeld on Substack Live. No paywalls. And by the way, we're going to include the audio from that discussion later in the show today.

B (4:00)

Great.

A (4:01)

Yeah. So you can learn all about what happened in the very late night Sunday night emergency hearing about the Portland deployment of the National Guard. And also Judge Perry held a hearing on Monday about the Chicago lawsuit against the deployment of the National Guard there. And she said basically the DOJ wanted another week to respond. And she's like, no, you have until Wednesday, which is tomorrow. And we'll have a hearing on Thursday. So we'll be covering that here after it happens. And Dana, there's some breaking news happening right now out of the Chicago Sun Times. Do you remember the story? Did you hear about the story of the woman, Ms. Martinez, who DHS and Trisha McLaughlin from the DHS said this woman, they boxed us in and rammed our car and that's why we had to shoot her.

B (4:49)

No, I actually did not.

A (4:51)

They said she had a semiautomatic weapon and that she rammed her and a guy named Ruiz rammed into their vehicle. Well, the lawyer in court today said he's got body cam footage showing that the DHS actually rammed into her, turned left into her vehicle and said, do something, bitch. Before firing shots.

B (5:15)

My God, these people are out of control. Out of control.

A (5:20)

So we're gonna cover that in more detail as we get it. But they were released on bond. They were decided. The judge decided that these people, Ms. Martinez and Mr. Ruiz, are not a danger to the public. So they have been charged. The last time we reported on this, they had not yet been charged. They had been charged with felony assault.

B (5:40)

Okay.

A (5:41)

So we'll keep an eye on that. But I mean, there's just so much going on with, I mean, ICE is basically fomenting the violence.

B (5:51)

It is. They're basically proud boys with badges. Like, I, I don't, and not even badges. I mean, they're, they're, they're not even showing them. Have they, they have name. I, I, I, there. It's, there's a lot of people cosplaying right now. I don't understand how this is even legal. I don't know how this is continuing, but I am glad that there's some pushback. But clearly people are starting to be hurt, and the violence is coming from that side where they really want us. I really do think they want a civil war in this country. I really think that they are pushing for violence so that Donald Trump can say, oh, we have an emergency. We need to shut everything down. Yep.

A (6:28)

Yeah. But they weren't willing to make that representation in court in the Portland case.

B (6:32)

Not.

A (6:33)

They were to fail. Yeah. They just used technicalities. Oh, your memo said that you can't deploy the Oregon National Guard. You didn't say anything about Texas or California. And she's like, Mr. Hamilton, you are an officer of the court and you're trying to.

B (6:47)

Hamilton.

A (6:48)

Mr. Hamilton. She must have said it, like, five times. Mr. Hamilton, please, God. And so, yeah, it's. So that's just another example of the Trump administration telling one set of facts to the public but not being able to back it up in court because, you know, they'll be, get sanctioned and lose, you know, potentially lose their, their law licenses. So it's absolutely bonkers. And I, I'm hoping that Judge Perry also issues a restraining order against the deployment in Chicago.

B (7:21)

Yeah.

A (7:22)

And Harry Dunn and I are going to cover this tomorrow in more detail. But MSNBC is reporting that a federal prosecutor named Elizabeth Youse in the Eastern District of Virginia actually declined to prosecute Tish James for mortgage fraud, saying there's not even any probable cause here, let alone beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the same thing that Eric Siebert said about Comey. But then Lindsey Halligan Swooped in and indicted him anyway. But we'll see how long her job lasts.

B (7:44)

Oh, boy. Yes, we will. We touched on this earlier, just for a second, but the Supreme Court actually refused to grant Gaylene Maxwell her appeal of her conviction. And afterwards, Trump told reporters, like we said, he was considering that pardon. You heard that ridiculous clip a second ago. We're going to discuss the entire Supreme Court decision a bit later in the Hot notes. And don't forget, there's another press conference, as Alison said, with this survivor. So make sure that if you can tune into that tomorrow, Wednesday, as you're listening to this, you're going to want to hear it. They are holding up this vote. They're holding up the swearing in of this elected official in Arizona. And a lot of the victims are talking about this. They want this thing released. They want this. The vote happened. They want this thing released.

A (8:28)

Yeah, let's see if he schedules another flyover in the middle of their press conference.

B (8:33)

Assholes.

A (8:34)

They probably will just be out there banging on pots himself. He can't think of an excuse to have a flyover. All right, we have a lot of news to get to today. Plus, that interview I told you about with Anna Bauer and Adam Klassfeld about the late night Sunday night hearing, it was so, Dana, it was so funny. We were waiting for it to start and I shared that old meme, the one that said, you want me to be somewhere at 8pm not everybody's on cocaine.

B (9:02)

That's how I feel.

A (9:04)

We were laughing about. Anna Bauer was like, be a courts reporter. They said you'll get weekends off. They said it'll be great because the courts are closed on the weekends. They said, you know, and there we are on Sunday night at 10pm Eastern.

B (9:15)

Yep.

A (9:16)

And then having that discussion that you'll hear later around midnight Eastern time. So I want to thank Anna Bauer and Adam Klassfeld for sticking around and having that discussion. All right, everybody, it's time for some hot notes. Hot notes. All right, first up, if you listen to the Unjustified podcast or if you saw our Unjustified podcast being played over on the Midas Touch network, we got confirmation today on Monday from ABC news that Andy McCabe is not person three in the Comey indictment. ABC says the grand jury did return an indictment on two counts sought by Lindsey Halligan about Comey allegedly lying about approving a leak of information to the media regarding the Russia investigation. According to sources, the first count of the indictment centers on Comey's alleged role using his friend and former Lawyer Daniel Richmond to provide reporters with information about an FBI probe of Clinton. They also reported that John Durham, former special counsel who spent nearly four years investigating the oranges of Crossfire Hurricane. The Russia investigation. John Durham, the gift that keeps on giving. He told federal prosecutors investigating Comey that he was unable to uncover any evidence that would support false statements or obstruction charges against the former FBI director.

B (10:31)

Amazing.

A (10:32)

Federal prosecutors in Virginia met remotely with Durham just this past August to understand the findings of his investigation, according to sources familiar and. And his conclusions raised the prospect that Durham, who was once elevated by Trump and other Republicans believing he would prosecute high level officials involved with the investigation of Russia, could now become a key figure in aiding Comey's defense.

B (10:54)

This would be amazing.

A (10:56)

I know, I know. So he met with them in August. He's like, yeah, I couldn't find anything. So that's why Eric Siebert was like, we can't prosecute Comey before he was fired for not doing it. The prosecutors also met with a team of lawyers at the U.S. attorney's office in D.C. who had investigated Comey for years, including calling him to testify before a grand jury in 2021, but were unable to identify any chargeable offenses committed by Comey. That's something I didn't know about.

B (11:22)

Oh, boy.

A (11:23)

They tried to go to a grand.

B (11:28)

This clown show.

A (11:30)

It is.

B (11:30)

This is going to be a mess. During discovery. They're going to. I'm shocked that they're going to let this move forward.

A (11:36)

It's. It's a total, total clown show. And also something revealed in this story. And again, Andy and I are going to go over this in detail on Sunday's Unjustified podcast. But they said no career prosecutor was willing to present the case to a grand jury on Halligan's behalf. So they actually tried to get somebody else to sign that indictment and have somebody else present it to a grand jury. And nobody would.

B (11:59)

Amazing.

A (12:00)

Nobody would.

B (12:01)

I'm so annoyed with this administration for making me cheer for people that are really, just really did not have strong, you know, good feelings for, like, whether it's Cheney or Comey or, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene comes out and says something in support of releasing the Epstein files. I just. How fucking mad is this administration that every once in a while I think Nick Fuentes put out a video the other day talking about how I'm like, why are these. Candace Owens said something that was reasonable. I was like, what is happening?

A (12:29)

Fuck you for making me agree with these people.

B (12:31)

For making me agree with me.

A (12:33)

It's so horrible that I think Candace.

B (12:36)

Owens said that's I'm gonna make a T shirt. Fuck this administration for making me agree with, like the devils we know. I just can't.

A (12:44)

Yeah.

B (12:45)

All right, Allison, thank you for that. We're gonna obviously follow this very closely. Make sure you tune in with her and Andy. This one's from the Associated Press. Storming an apartment complex by helicopter. This is a horrible story, by the way. As families slept. Deploying chemical agents near a public school, handcuffing a Chicago City Council member at a hospital. Activist residents and leaders say increasingly combative tactics used by the federal immigration agents are sparking violence and fueling neighborhood tensions in the nation's third largest city. We're talking about Chicago, everybody. And this is a quote. They are the ones that are making it a war zone. This is from Pritzker. He said this Sunday on cnn. He said they fire tear gas and smoke grenades and they make it look like it's a war zone. More than a thousand immigrants have been arrested since an immigration crackdown started last month in the Chicago area. The Trump administration has also vowed to deploy national troops, National Guard troops in its agenda to boost deportations. But US Citizens, immigrants with legal status, by the way, and children, they've all been among those detained in increasingly brazen and aggressive encounters which have been popping up daily across neighborhoods in the city of 2.7 million and its many suburbs. Activists and residents were taking stock Sunday at an apartment apartment building in Chicago, south side, where the Department of Homeland Security said 37 immigrants were arrested recently in an operation that raised calls for investigation by Pritzker. That's because there was a helicopter. They fucking took zipline down. They rappelled down onto this. They pulled everyone out of their apartment apartments, regardless of knowing their legal status. Children that were naked. It's a horrible story. It's a horrifying story. The fact that the press isn't covering this in more detail is a dereliction of duty on their part. Now, while federal agents have mostly focused on immigrant heavy and Latino enclaves, the operation early Tuesday that I'm talking about, it unfolded in the largely black South Shore neighborhood that's had a small influx of migrants resettled in Chicago while seeking asylum. Agents used unmarked trucks and that helicopter I'm talking about to surround the five story apartment building. News Nation, which was invited to observe the operation, reported agents and I quote, repelled from Blackhawk helicopters. Agents then went door to door. They woke up residents and they zip tied them. Okay? All of them. Pritzker a two time Democrat who's doing the best he can in that state right now, doing a damn good job. He directed state agencies to investigate claims that children were zip tied and detained separately from their parents, saying and I quote, military style tactics shouldn't be used on children. Several Democratic members of the Illinois congressional delegation, they met near the site Sunday calling for an end to immigration raids. DHS officials said that they were targeting connections to the Trend Gang. No, targeted a black community. They want them to come out in the streets and fight. I've seen so many videos from the black people in Chicago. They're like, we're not going outside. We are not going outside. Without offering details on the arrests or addressing how many children were treated, DHS said some of the targeted subjects are believed to be involved in drug trafficking and distribution, weapons crimes and immigration violators. Well, an emergency hotline to report immigration agent sightings topped 800 calls on Friday. The same day activists said agents threw a canister of chemical near a school in the city's Logan Square neighborhood. The activity in the Northwest side neighborhood prompted nearby Funston Elementary School to hold recess indoors.

A (16:23)

Oh my God.

B (16:23)

The same day Chicago elder person Jesse Fuentes was placed in handcuffs at a hospital. She said she was asked agents to show a warrant for a person who'd broken his leg while chased by ICE agents who then transported him to the emergency room. Immigration agents shot a woman we talked about. They alleged was armed and tried to run them over after agents were in a quote, boxed in by 10 cars. She and another person were charged Sunday with forcibly assaulting, impeding and interfering with a federal law enforcement officer. As we talked about in a previous story, however, as Allison said, activists said immigration agents caused the multi vehicle crash and detained the woman who is a US Citizen. This is so far out of control.

A (17:06)

Yeah. And by the way, it was, it came out in court. She actually didn't brandish a weapon. She didn't hold her weapon at all. She had a pistol in her car because she has a concealed carry permit to have one. But she never brandished her weapon, according to her lawyers. All right, from NBC, these are the Supreme Court stories we were telling you about. SCOTUS on Monday rejected Ghislaine Maxwell's challenge to her criminal conviction for recruiting and grooming teenage girls. For Jeffrey Epstein, the decision means that Maxwell's conviction on three counts under 20 year criminal sentence will remain in place. That's the final stop is the Supreme Court. The case was one in a list of dozens of appeals that piled up in recent months that the justices rejected as they started a new nine month court term. Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, the guy I got in a Twitter fight with over her, over her moving and being an out custody status, he argued in court papers that an agreement Epstein made, that sweetheart deal with then US Attorney who then became Trump's labor secretary, Alex Acosta, that agreement not to prosecute him or his co conspirators, should apply to her at least one of the three counts in her case. That's what her lawyer says.

B (18:17)

Again, she's not saying I didn't do it, even though she's saying she didn't do it. This isn't I'm innocent. This is I shouldn't be prosecuted. I was protected by this sweetheart deal.

A (18:25)

Mm. The one that the victims weren't made aware of.

B (18:29)

Correct. Quote.

A (18:30)

We're, of course, deeply disappointed that the Supreme Court declined to hear Ghislaine Maxwell's case. That's what Marcus said in a statement. But this fight isn't over. Yes, it is. Unless you get a pardon. He said serious legal and factual issues remain and we will continue to pursue every avenue available to ensure that justice is done. Basically, we're going to pay for a pardon. Probably. Yep. So we'll see if he pardons her. Go ahead, fucker. Pardoner. See how that goes for shutting down your Epstein files problem.

B (18:58)

Yeah, no kidding. Oh, boy. Speaking. We're going to stay on the Supreme Court. This is from cnn. That court declined Monday to take up an appeal from Laura Loomer.

A (19:08)

Oh, no.

B (19:09)

The prominent far right influencer and ally of Trump who sued social media companies for yanking her off their platforms. Loomer, who had previously sued Twitter and Facebook owner Meta Platforms. They filed a new lawsuit alleging the companies violated civil racketeering laws by de platforming her as she ran for Congress in Florida in 2020. In 2022. I completely forgot about that. Right.

A (19:33)

I think she probably only ran for Congress so that she could say that. I'm sure they can't take me off social media because I'm running for Congress.

B (19:40)

Probably. Among other things, her appeal raised legal questions about the scope of a law known as section 230 that immunizes social media sites from lawsuits. Content moderation. That immunity has been widely criticized on both the left and the right for different reasons, of course, though the high court has largely avoided delving into the issue at all. Loomer told the Supreme Court in written arguments that the decision to remove her from the platform stifled her ability to communicate with voters. Raise Funds and compete in federal elections.

A (20:12)

And how come she never shuts out? How come I always have to keep listening to her if. If her. If her speech is somehow stifled? She doesn't shut.

B (20:20)

Ever. This is a quote. Social media is critical to campaigns, especially during COVID 19 restrictions that limited traditional campaigning methods like door too canvassing and public events. This is what her attorneys told the Supreme Court in her opinion.

A (20:33)

She didn't believe in Covid. Huh?

B (20:35)

Loomer had no social media for any of her campaigns due to social media bans. Well, then you shouldn't have gotten banned before you went to go run for Congress. But Luma repeatedly lost in lower courts. Both Twitter and Meta waived their right to respond to her appeal at the Supreme Court, a sign that the companies just didn't even take it seriously. And the court declined to hear the appeal even though it was not briefed.

A (20:58)

Yeah, I wouldn't either take her seriously. That is.

B (21:03)

No. What a waste of time.

A (21:05)

So we're going to have some interesting good trouble for you, probably on tomorrow's Beans with maybe a way to voice your issues with the Ice Block app being removed from the Apple App Store, but we're working on that right now. So today, for your good trouble, I just ask that you continue to call Mike Johnson and get Adelita Grijalva sworn in. He sent Congress home for another week, Dana, because he's so afraid.

B (21:34)

Unbelievable.

A (21:35)

Of the discharge petition that in the middle of a government shutdown when he should be advocating to open the government for whatever reasons he wants it open, by the way. He doesn't want it open. That's why he's not doing that. Instead of doing that and working for the people and working for his constituents, at least to even get the Affordable Care act tax credits, you know, extended. He's sending everybody home because he's afraid of the Epstein files. I suppose he should be.

B (22:01)

Yeah.

A (22:02)

But the people. People are pretty mad about it. So keep calling him. All right. Right after this, you'll get to hear that interview I talked about with Annabeth. Late night interview where. Where none of us are on cocaine. It was just. It was so late at night. But. But she and Adam Klassfeld are champs. They jumped on to a substack Live with me and we talked about everything that went on in that incredible late night hearing presided over by a Trump appointed judge who Trump now hates and of course, who Stephen Miller is now saying is an insurrectionist or whatever. And you know, this is in the middle of a time, Dana, when judges are under attack because of what Stephen Miller has said. And Harmeet Dhillon and Stephen Miller had been going after a judge in South Carolina. And over the weekend, their house was set on fire.

B (22:51)

There was an explosion, horrifying. That fire, that video of it, my God. Her husband had to jump out of the upper story to get out of the house. Everyone's like, oh, it's real close to going. It's gone too far. Everything has gone too far.

A (23:07)

Yeah, we're not close to it going too far. Exactly. It's there. It's over. The. We have gone over the line. We have crossed the Rubicon, so to speak. All right, we have that interview coming up after this, plus your good news. Stick around. We'll be right back after these messages.

E (23:24)

We'll be right back.

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Just go to homechef.com dailybeans that's homechef.com dailybeans for 50% off your first box and free dessert for life. Hey everybody. Welcome to the breakdown and All Rise news collab. We don't have a lou boo boo, but we are here to talk about a hearing that I just, first of all, it took 45 minutes, almost an hour to be able to get into this hearing because of technical difficulty. It was a hearing called pretty much last minute by Judge Immergut. And and so I want to give a little now. We're going to see if Anna Bauer can join us in a little bit. I think she has to download the Substack app first. But let me just, let me set the scene. Okay. So it was yesterday, right, that Judge Immergut's ruling came out. And please everybody welcome Adam Klassfeld. So she issued a temporary restraining order saying there's nothing on the ground in Portland that justifies the calling out of the National Guard. And although she says, I don't have all of the briefing and all of the stuff, this is an emergency hearing. And in order to issue a temporary restraining order, I don't need all that. I just need sort of a first look. And her impression is that sending out the guard was just, you know, the wrong idea. Under 12406, which is the authority, I think that Donald Trump wanted to call it the Oregon National Guard with I could be wrong on that, but you'll correct me if I am. So she issued the temporary restraining order saying there's no need for, on the ground for the guard. There's like six people and one of them's dressed up as a giant inflatable capybara. So no, we don't, we don't need the National Guard here. So that was yesterday. Then Donald Trump and the Trump administration, Pete Hagseth called up already federalized guard in California. These were guards that were national Guardsmen that were federalized in June to the response to the war torn, war ravaged nothingness that was going on in Los Angeles at the time. And that order still stands. So they just moved those already federalized guard to Oregon and they were on their way. So then the lawyers for Oregon and California joined the lawsuit. California comes in, Gavin Newsom joins the lawsuit, says, you can't take our guard. We need them for wildfires and stuff and our own stuff. We're California. Hey. And so then Hegseth puts out an order that he got permission from Greg Abbott to Deploy Texas National Guard to Oregon and Chicago. So now the judge called this late night hearing, emergency hearing, because California and the city of Portland and the state of Oregon are all. They want a second, they wanted a second restraining order saying that the DOJ is just circumventing your honor's order because the order is grounded in the fact that the guard isn't needed. And since your honor said you blocked the Oregon National Guard, the DOJ exploited that by saying, well, we'll send California guard and we'll send Texas Guard. And so we're playing a game of whack a mole. And I have to tell you, my impression is that judge Emergut, who is a Trump appointee, is pissed off about this and that's why she called this Sunday night 7:00pm meeting. So Adam, did I get any of that wrong or is that kind of the gist?

E (28:49)

That is 100% correct. And the way that you can tell that a federal judge is very angry, even if that judge doesn't raise his or her voice, is if they ask repeatedly if to respond as an officer of the court. Judge Immergot sent again and again to the DOJ's senior attorney, Eric Hamilton, to that did he believe as an officer of the court, that the proper response to her order forbidding the federalizing of the Oregon National Guard was to send the California National Guard to Oregon? Hello there, Anna. Now we have the full panel with us. So I was going, going into the fact, and I'm sure that you, you will echo these remarks. It is never a good thing when a federal judge reminds a DOJ attorney that they're an officer of the court and says you are an attorney. When they say I am not a policymaker, it is.

D (29:50)

Yeah. And that seems to happen a lot these days.

A (29:54)

So everybody welcome Anna Bauer from Lawfare. Anna, hey. I briefly summed up the order of events where Oregon National Guard was called out. They sued, got a restraining order. She granted the restraining order for the Oregon National Guard. Trump then called the California National Guard that was already nationalized back in June or. Yeah, federalized back in June. And then California jumped on and joined the lawsuit. And then they got Texas to call the National Guard to not just Portland, but also Chicago. And that's kind of where we are. She called this emergency hearing. And so Adam was kind of going over a little bit of what I kind of took away from this. And you've done a lot of court reporting too, was she was mad, Mr. Hamilton, like multiple times. And as Adam just brought up reminding him that he's an officer of the court. So everybody welcome Anna Bauer to the discussion. Hey, Anne.

D (30:49)

Yeah. Thanks for having me. And, Adam, please continue. I didn't mean to interrupt you because you had a great train of thought there. I just wanted to remark that, you know, you and I both go to these same hearings over and over again where it seems like I hear so much all the time, judges saying to DOJ attorneys who are probably not used to it, where the judge says, as a reminder, you are an officer of the court with an ethical duty. You know, the implication being that they have an ethical duty of candor and honesty. But please, Adam, continue, because that was a great comment.

A (31:25)

Right?

E (31:25)

I mean, your point is absolutely 100% true. This is now a commonplace occurrence. It used to be an extraordinary dressing down when a judge would say, let alone to a government attorney, respond as an officer of the court. Now it's a routine occurrence, just like it used to be an unheard of occurrence to say that the presumption of regularity has been destroyed. Now that is something that is becoming more routine. It's something that was said in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia by Judge Sinis. But to turn back again to today's hearing, one thing that I found very interesting is that while the state of California and the state of Oregon were asking to modify the temporary restraining order to include all of the 50 states in the District of Columbia at a kind of request that accepts as a idea that it requires modification, the judge said again and again that the government's actions were in direct contravention to her original order. It's a subtle distinction, but it's an important one because what was brought before her was a request for a modification. She says this is not a modification. This is encompassed in the original order. But I will put forward a second tro.

A (32:59)

Yeah, and I just was reminded of another case, because you brought up the Kilmar case. Judge Friedman said, in just six months, the President of the United States may have forfeited the right to such a presumption of regularity. And Judge Chutkan said defense counsel is reminded of their duty to make truthful representations to the court, which is another way of saying you're an officer of this court, which is, you guys were saying, we hear a lot more often.

D (33:23)

Yeah.

B (33:24)

And.

D (33:24)

And even most recently, I mean, if you recall, another emergency weekend hearing that we had that not, you know, very different from this one. And then it all happened within the span of, you know, it came together within the span of a few hours, which was the case before Judge Sukhnan, related to the efforts by the Trump administration to essentially, you know, take kids who are unaccompanied minor migrant children out of their beds at night and send them on a plane back to Guatemala. The judge who eventually took over on that case and was assigned the case is a Trump appointee named Judge Kelly. And most recently, in his order in which he granted a preliminary injunction in that case to bar the removal of those children, he effectively said, like, you know, the government's representations, because they were making all these statements about, oh, you know, the, the kids are all children whose parents want them to be returned to them in Guatemala, you know, making those types of claims. And again, it was a Trump judge, as this one is, who effectively called out the government. And I think that what we're seeing here is that over and over again, district court judges, but not necessarily the courts of appeal, are doing their jobs and paying attention closely to these facts and the patterns that are happening in which the government is making representations that usually would be taken in good faith. But because this administration has destroyed the presumption of regularity, the judges know now that they cannot take those representations in good faith. And it's really remarkable because that is just not something that usually happens.

A (35:18)

Right, right. Question for you guys about the narrow reading that the DOJ had of Judge Immerget's order from her first one from yesterday, which feels like 10 years ago, because what it said, I thought it was just going to be, oh, you just said the Oregon National Guard, nothing else. But what they're actually hanging this on, and Mr. Hamilton is the person who is arguing for the DOJ, and help me understand this, is that they're going off of an order to nationalize or federalize the California National Guard from June, saying they're already federalized and we can use them for whatever we need them for. And they're saying we need them in Portland. And that's why this is not in violation of your order yesterday. So not only is it just. Will you only. You only said the Oregon National Guard. And I think what was really frustrating to the judge was she was like, the basis of my ruling wasn't where the Guard comes from. It's based on the fact that there's nothing on the ground that warrants it. But why are they going with. We're using already federalized guards from California, guardsmen from California, as opposed to just a broader. Well, we should be able to pull National Guard however we want because you Only said Oregon's National Guard couldn't be deployed. What's the thinking there?

E (36:46)

Well, it seems like two different species of hair splitting, because if you look at the original ruling, you have her blocking the memo justifying the activation of the National Guard. And they are calling upon a different memo, the earlier memo that, that activated the California National Guard. That wasn't limited in time and scope. But to your point, Alison, the whole idea was, and what the judge said is that this is still in direct contravention of her original order because she was ruling because it violated Title 10 and the 10 in the 10th Amendment, that she found that the circumstances didn't call for it. So it didn't matter which memo they were predicating it on. I want to echo one of the things that Anna said and kind of put kind of the big picture to the fact that we're all here now on about 15 minutes till midnight on east coast time. The extraordinary becoming routine that these things now happen late on a weekend. It's happening on the July 4th weekend when we had the showdown in the district of Massachusetts in a major immigration case where the Trump administration fought for and got the right to whisk people away to a country in Africa that they had no connection to. It happened over the Labor Day weekend with the case that Anna alluded to and these emergency decisions, it shows the judges stepping up at all hours on weekends, on holidays at the district court.

A (38:39)

Levels, were showing up in jeans and a T shirt because he couldn't get his robes because he was there on a weekend to stop those planes from going to seat coat to El Salvador. Absolutely. Yeah.

D (38:50)

I am actually in my pajamas right now because I was.

B (38:54)

Me too.

D (38:56)

I did not expect to be on a live stream or covering a hearing at, you know, past 10 o' clock at night on a Sunday.

A (39:06)

So it does on Blue sky, by the way, you were like, oh, report for the courts. They said it'll be great. You'll get your weekends off.

D (39:16)

Everyone always says that, but it's never true. I mean, it has to be fair, has not been true for like, you know, covering the Trump trials and all that. It's, it's, it's been, as you both well know, it's all always crazy. You're always on call. But Alison, I think to your original question, I do think Adam is right, that what I, when I was looking at it, it feels a little bit like this idea of following the letter, but not the spirit of the judge's order. Because if you look at the very last like line of that order, as Adam pointed out, it does say that I'm entering a TRO barring implementation of the memorandum that was issued with respect to the federalization of the Oregon National Gu. But the actual substance of the order relates to, again, as Adam already put it, to the conditions in Oregon and whether or not it's sufficient to trigger the statutory authority here. The judge found no. And so taking all those things, one would think that the government would have enough sense to say, oh, well, of course, you know, if we follow the spirit of the judge's order, this. These same exact reasons would all apply to whether you send federalized guard from California or from Texas. But they did not do that. And I think that's why the judge was so unhappy with the government tonight.

A (40:49)

Yeah. And I think judges are starting to change the way that they do orders, too. We saw a judge say in court, now a couple of times, is my oral order enough for you, or do you need it in writing? Because the way they tried to get around Boasberg's turn the plane around order is they said, oh, well, you just said that with your mouth and words in court. It wasn't in your written order. So we didn't feel we had to follow it. So now judges are like, huh, Is this. Is the words that are coming out of my mouth? Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? Is that enough for you? And they've had to say, yes. So I imagine now we're going to start seeing judges, particularly in these Guard restraining, temporary restraining order cases, being like, okay, so now if I. Okay, I can't just say the memo. I can't just say the Oregon National Guard if I have to say any national guard or the D.C. national Guard, like, in order for my point to get across, because there's no presumption of regularity, and y' all are a bunch of jerks. I'm gonna have to change the way I issue orders One more. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

D (41:54)

Oh, no, I was just gonna add that, like, it is very much like, you know, giving instructions to a kindergartner a little bit. Like, that's what I think of whenever I see some of these judges dealing with the government now, because they see the experience that Judge Boasberg had where, you know, he. There. There was a little bit of wiggle room in the order that he issued, although I don't think so on a fair reading. But obviously, the D.C. circuit, there's a whole backstory there. But basically, it was enough to. Which at least one to two members of the D.C. circuit saw it sufficiently ambiguous in that order regarding the flights to El Salvador, that he wasn't able to really hold anyone to account, at least thus far. And so a lot of these judges, I think if they're paying attention, as I said, are trying to go to great lengths to try to really, like, break things down to, like, kindergarten levels of, like, this is how you follow my instructions. This is what every single word or phrase in my order means. Because they think that's the only way to ensure compliance. And they're not entirely sure that the appeals courts are going to have their backs if it does come to trying to ensure post hoc compliance or after the fact compliance.

A (43:21)

Yeah, I was like, you know, at first I would just ask my ex husband to clean the kitchen. And that eventually turned into, okay, I need you to wash the dishes, wipe down the counter, lift up the coffee maker, wipe underneath the coffee maker, the coffee maker back down, use soap. You know, it just. It gets a little bit ridiculous that you can't just trust the spirit of an order anymore. Adam, let me ask you a question in. And Anna, you can chime in too. Cause this is something I'm a little confused about. The judge was asking toward the end of this hearing about what the ninth Circuit is gonna do because the government has filed an emergency stay, please stay this order with the ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and has filed the same with Judge Immerget and asked for an administrative stay as well. And she was asking how if she issued a modified order or if she issued a second. Second order, how would that be impacted? How could her order or would her order be impacted if the ninth Circuit granted an administrative stay or another type of a longer stay? So could you maybe explain that a little bit? And then also, oh, there was one other thing I wanted to ask about. Oh, the administrative stays, by the way. I was like, I thought the hearing was over. And then Hamilton was like, oh, one more thing. And I was like, oh, my God, what? You want to continue to. To talk to this judge right now? He's like, yeah, what about our request for a stay and an administrative stay? And she's like, it's denied. Court adjourned. Like, it was. Whew. She was really upset. But can you answer that 9th Circuit thing and how the difference between a second restraining order versus a modified restraining order because she was reluctant to modify her order?

E (45:09)

Yes. So I think you just said it, Alison. At the end of the day, she drew the kind of subtle distinction of her for original order, she found was directly contravened. And so that was there was a violation of her original order. And so though there was a request for the modification of the original order, as I understand it, it got a little, there was a little bit of back and forth toward the end of the hearing. It came down to her issuing a second TRO that essentially clarified the original order. But she, it what she said repeatedly throughout the hearing is there really isn't any daylight between the first order and the second, because the second order.

B (46:03)

The.

E (46:04)

Government'S actions already violated the first order. The second one is to eliminate all doubt. I don't know if you had a different takeaway, Adam.

D (46:14)

Yeah. So if I could just chime in a little bit on the question about, like, how it relates to the appeal. Judge Immigrate, is that how we're pronouncing her name, Immigrate? Is that correct?

A (46:26)

I haven't heard it pronounced, so I'm, I've been saying immigrate, but I.

D (46:31)

All right. Apologies to Judge Imet if she is listening and I am pronouncing her name incorrectly, but that's what I'm going with tonight. So Judge Imran's first order, of course, that just related to the federalization of the Oregon National Guard was then pretty much immediately there was a notice of appeal to the 9th Circuit by the government. Typically, the way the jurisdiction or the court's power to, you know, decide a case, the way that that works is that, like, basically as soon as a notice of appeal is filed, the district court, which is Judge Immerget, is, you know, divested or not allowed to hear the case anymore because it's now in the power of the appeals court to figure this whole thing out and decide the case.

A (47:23)

Usually can't appeal a temporary restraining order. Right.

D (47:27)

Well, so there's also that issue as well, which I think we don't necessarily need to get into. But there's a kind of longer story there about, like, usually you can't appeal a TRO or a temporary restraining order. Usually you only can appeal a preliminary junction or above, basically. But in the Trump era, we have seen that a lot of appeals courts have construed or read TROs to basically be preliminary injunctions and as such, have taken the appeals, even though technically the orders are temporary restraining orders and not injunctions.

E (48:10)

As a matter of fact. Sorry, I was just going to interject. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what happened with Judge Breyer's order in the Ninth Circuit. I'm sorry, Anna. I Didn't mean to interrupt.

D (48:21)

No, you're good. Yeah, that is correct. That's exactly what happened with the Judge Breyer order related to the California federalization of the National Guard. But what's important here is that as soon as that notice of appeal is filed by the government, typically it all kind of goes to the appeals court and the trial court judge or the district court judge, which is, again, Judge Immigrant, doesn't have any power to do anything anymore. And that relates here to what was going on with issuing a new order as opposed to a modified order, because that original order was already at the appeals court basically by the time the second request for a temporary restraining restraining order got to her. So that's why, at the very end of the hearing, she was asking, like what? Like, how does all this relate to what's going on at the Ninth Circuit? There's also maybe a different question as it relates to California, because there's separate litigation that is now on appeal to the Ninth Circuit. But just to make it a little bit less confusing for the non lawyers, the basic issue here was kind of like, how do I have power to issue this order if it's already at the appeals court? And the answer was, you can issue a new order. There are all these new circumstances, that kind of thing.

A (49:40)

But that question was concerned about modifying an order that was with the Ninth Circuit.

D (49:45)

Exactly. Because she can't modify it now because that's already at the Ninth Circuit. But the changed circumstances with the fact that the California National Guard, which is not the original circumstances of the initial order, and then also now the Texas deployment of, you know, Texas National Guard troops, which just came up minutes before the hearing. You know, she was able to cite those two things as a reason to, you know, issue a whole new order, as opposed to just modifying the other.

A (50:19)

One to have jurisdiction. Jurisdiction back on something.

D (50:23)

Yeah.

E (50:25)

I'm seeing a number of commentators talk about fear for what's going to happen in Chicago and how it came up during. I just want to mention something about that, because I see a lot of folks commenting about that. The one thing that did come up in the hearing was the possibility of sending the Texas National Guard to Chicago. I think one of the important things about public hearings like these show the limitations of Trump's power. Now, if you look at the Posse Comitatus trial in California, what we saw is that for all of Trump's claims that he's going to deploy the military for use in civilian law enforcement during the trial in California, what was found out was that they detained people a grand total of two times. They violated the Posse Comitatus Act, Judge Breyer found, by trying to use the military for traffic control and other civilian purposes. But for all of the talk of the Trump administration, the second these plans go into action, we find that they. That according to a Reuters investigation in Washington, D.C. the federal. The law enforcement activity in the city hasn't meaningfully changed over that time. So I think the public hearings here, that this isn't to minimize how, how unconstitutional and how. And how lawless a lot of these actions are. It's also to cast a realistic on the limitations of Trump's actual power. And what the courts keep doing is showing how limited those powers are, even in a system of very, very high deference to the executive over control of the military.

A (52:28)

Yeah. And I think it's interesting that the government would choose to exploit semantics in this particular case rather than try to build a case to say that the situation on the ground in Portland has changed. I mean, it looks like the DHS is doing everything it can to be like people are ramming into our cars and should and, you know, blocking us in. And, I mean, it's. A lot of it is unfounded, and we don't have the details on that yet because only the DHS is putting out these press releases. But it just seems interesting that it feels like one of those situations that, you know, all three of us were covering during, you know, the Trump investigations, where they would say one thing to the public and one thing to the court, 100% to go with the loophole that they only said the Oregon National Guard, and we already called up the California National Guard, and that memo is still good, and you didn't block that one to go with that instead of to try to build a case to say, no, the situation on the ground in Portland has changed because it is a lot more dangerous, there is a lot more violence. It seems like they would have to prove that in court, and that would be a very tall order given the fact that, again, it's like seven people and a person dressed up as an inflatable capybara at the ice facility.

D (53:47)

Well, and it's not just that you have to prove it in court. It's also that you have to have officers of the court who are willing to make that argument. And, you know, I'm not entirely sure that, you know, I. Look, I don't know much about Eric Hamilton, who was arguing tonight, but he certainly did not seem keen to go down that route, Alison. So, you know, that is at least notable.

E (54:16)

It reminds me, to use your example, Alison, and your point. And it reminds me of after the 2020 election where you'd have Rudy Giuliani go up in front of Four Seasons Landscaping and talk about fraud, then he'd go into court and say this exact sentence. This is not a fraud case. Four Trump attorneys said that exact sentence. In the wake of the 2020 presidential election, for all of this lying, that there is such a thing about the Department of War. No, there's no such thing. Renaming of a federal agency happens through Congress. There's no such thing as the Secretary of War. There is no war on American cities. That is what is being said by this administration to scare the people of those cities, to intimidate the people of those cities from exercising their rights. I think it's a basic point that needs to be articulated, that when these lawyers are put in front of a court to actually say what's going on and what the actual policy of the United States purports to be, the messaging changes, they cannot lie quite as flagrantly.

A (55:32)

Well, well, I want to thank you both, everybody. Please follow Anna Bauer. She's got an amazing substack called Slip Opinion. You're going to want to subscribe to it. And then, of course, it has not.

D (55:44)

Launched yet quite yet, but it will one day.

A (55:49)

Okay?

D (55:49)

So stay tuned.

A (55:51)

So get ready. And then, of course, All Rise News, Adam Klassfeld. And obviously it's free to subscribe, but if you can support independent journalism, please do. And also support Lawfare, where Anna works doggedly with some incredible podcasting and writing and reporting for the courts. And you can support them as well. So thank you, Adam. Thank you. Anna, do you have any final thoughts? The only other thing I want to say is I think it was interesting that while we were waiting about an hour to get into the the hearing because of the technical difficulties that all of us in this little universe were texting one another. Like I was texting with Kel at National Security Councilors. Anna, Katie Fang, who's out and about and was listening and working hard because she works so hard. Adam, another friend of mine I was texting with, and we were all sort of going back and forth, waiting to get into this hearing and communicating with each other. And so I think that this community of independent journalists is just so, so important for everybody so that they can get these, like, blow by blow on the ground things, that it's so important to just be right instead of first. And you guys are just so good at it. So I just want to thank you so much for jumping off at all hours of the night on a Sunday to speak to everyone and to sort of explain what went down in this hearing because it was a pretty remarkable hearing, I thought.

D (57:35)

It really was. And thank you so much, Allison, for the same exact reasons. I know that no one works as hard as you, so I always appreciate your work and I am going to exit because it is midnight here on the East Coast. Adam, fantastic as always. Alison, thanks again for having me. Me. I appreciate it and thanks everyone who listened.

A (57:57)

Thanks Anna.

E (57:58)

Thank you. Thank thank you both. It's always a pleasure speaking to either of you and both of you at once is a real treat. So have a, have a good night everybody.

A (58:11)

Welcome back. It's time for the good news. Who likes good news, everyone? Then good news everyone. And if you have any little bit of good news that's happened to you or big good news that's happened to you and it could have been an hour ago or a decade ago, we want to hear about it. We want to share in your joy. So please send us all your good news stories, anything you can think of. We're also accepting street jokes right now, so if you have your favorite street joke, you can send that to us as well. You can also give a shout out to a loved one, spouse, partner, a small business in your area, a self shout out. Maybe tell us what your thesis or dissertation title was. We love to hear about that. And also shout outs to government programs that have helped you or a loved one. And all you got to do to get your good news read on the air is pay your pod pet tariff, which used to mean attaching a photo of your pet and we guess the breeds but now it's expanded really you can just send a picture of anything. You can send an adoptable pet in your area. If you don't have a pet yourself, you can just grab a random photo of an animal off the Internet. I will even accept the inflatable capybara that's been peacefully protesting outside of the Portland ICE facility. There you have it. Anything like that? Any photos of maybe rallies that you've been to that you want to share? Maybe what you're making and creating. Maybe you're crocheting or knitting or painting or writing poetry or doing something to keep yourself occupied. We need ideas for that. So send it all to us dailybeanspod.com and click on Contact. First up from Anonymous. What do you think about continuing the idea of the so called most transparent administration ever by starting to Refer to Stephen Miller as the President and Donald Trump as his mouthpiece. If you like this idea, pass it on to all of your independent media friends and let's see what happens. That's not a bad idea. Thank you for that. Anonymous all right, this is from James.

B (60:10)

Pronouncy and him A big shout out to my wife and myself still doing a fantastic job in the federal government. Thank you James and your wife. But in this environment we can't tell you which departments we work in. Understandably, we, but we both still listen to your podcast every chance we can get. Keep up the great work attaches A photo of our youngest cat, a Torby, Ms. Amelia, having a rare moment of calm under the temperature blanket my wife knit last year. This is such a sweet photo.

A (60:40)

Look at the baby. Now I want to nap. That makes me want to nap.

B (60:46)

It really does make me low sleep.

A (60:48)

Sleep with a knitted blankie. Thank you for that. Next up from Brenda from Richmond. Oh awesome pronoun. She and her hi ladies of Leguminati. As always, you are a brilliant burst of sunshine in this increasingly degraded and fucked up country we used to be happy to call home. Thank you for your continuing work and providing great community in these trying times. I want to share some heartwarming good news from Richmond, Virginia. Our cat loving community is celebrating the safe return of Francine, a sweet stray kid kitty who has called the West Board Street Lowe's store her home for the last eight years. Oh my God. Francine. The Lowe's kitty on West Broad Street.

B (61:24)

I loved that.

A (61:26)

In mid September, Francine was accidentally stowed away on a delivery truck bound for a Lowe's distribution center in Graysburg, North Carolina. The Richmond community and the West Broad Lowe's store employees were distraught when they couldn't find Francine and jumped into action to track her down. Several animal organizations, hundreds of cameras, thermal drones and professional trackers were engaged to locate the beloved kitty. I need this when my cat went missing.

B (61:50)

Oh my God. Seriously?

A (61:52)

And their efforts paid off. Over the weekend, Mike Sita, West Broadlow store manager, and Wayne Schneider, the store associate, headed south on the 90 minute drive to pick up Francine and bring her back to Richmond. Quote we care for Francine so much and we're so thankful to everyone who helped, from our associates to animal control and our neighbors. She's more than our our store cat. She's part of our family. After a short readjustment period, Francine will soon again be welcoming shoppers to her store and a Francine Fest is going to be planned to celebrate her return.

B (62:24)

Oh, my goodness.

A (62:25)

This is such a sweet example of how powerful community action can be. Included from my pod pet tariff is a picture of Mike and Wayne reunited with Francine.

E (62:35)

This is adorable.

A (62:37)

This story is the best. Brenda, thank you so much for this. Look at that.

B (62:44)

I know. Okay, heart is full. Here comes Ashley Pronoun. She and her hi, Daily beans queen. Sunday was my youngest child's birthday. He's growing up to be quite a character. His dad and I met in college. An actual bird watching class. So of course he wants to be an engineer.

A (63:03)

Naturally.

B (63:04)

Yep. He's currently in his junior year of high school, so he's learning things that I am pretty sure that I didn't know existed when I was his age, like computer programming and circuit design. Over the weekend, his older sister, the middle child, invited him to come spend time with her and their mutual friends at her campus. She's a freshman at the University of Maryland. In all the craziness of all these times, it is so easy to lose sight of how incredibly thoughtful and kind this generation can be. I truly believe that you need to tell people when they are doing things right, because, let's face it, everyone will tell you when you're doing them wrong.

A (63:36)

Yep.

B (63:37)

However. However, very, very few people notice when things are going right. Which is funny, since there are many, many things that have happened for things to go right. Lots of things. And only one or two things or people needed to cause things to go horribly awry. Isn't that true?

A (63:53)

And that's why we do comedy, right? To stand up on stage and get laughs. Because that's a recognition of the good things.

B (64:00)

Yeah. Seriously. For my pod pet tags, I'm attaching a picture of the cat who we are fostering while his owner's in the hospital. The sweet baby spends his time supervising my son with his homework.

A (64:12)

Oh, cat on a laptop.

B (64:14)

Yep.

A (64:16)

Oh, look at this chicken. Finally, as my son is the main chick magnet in the house, more pictures of his chicken army. Can you name the chicken?

B (64:27)

Oh, there's more.

A (64:28)

Is that a silky?

B (64:29)

It looks like a silky chicken.

A (64:31)

It's beautiful. Silky hen. Ah. CC Short for cream chicken. Cheese. Cute and hiccup. Oh, a lace duckwing. And a chatty breed that I didn't know existed until she joined our flock. Oh, my God, he's a chick magnet. Get it?

B (64:46)

That's adorable.

A (64:47)

Last time I sent you pictures of crested cream leg bars. That's right. I was like, I've never heard of that. Oh, that's wonderful. Thank you. So very much for that update, Ashley. All right, next up from Anonymous. Hello ladies. The morning after the Chicago military night raid on the apartment complex, I received an email outlining our district's guidelines for protecting children from the federal government and its masked mercenaries. Now at pickup, parents are required to come up to the doors to escort your child off the property. So the goons cannot harass minors at a neighborhood school. Not the one my children go to. I noticed fence posts recently installed around the place Playground. The sad part is that this is necessary to protect our children from the federal government that's actively shielding clients of a sexual abuse empire. The good news is that locally we're doing everything we can in an attempt to protect children. Don't know how well of offense will hold up against a military invasion of a school, but at least it's something. I've never heard you guys talk about dragonflies, but for my tariff, here is a white faced meadowhawk that buzzed me while it was work. I decided to follow it until I was able to get this picture with my phone. Good luck to you and all of the legume heads may always be in good graces with the deity of your choosing. That's a very wonderful salutation. I do love dragonflies. One of my favorite movies Anonymous when I was a kid was Disney's the Rescuers with Evinrude the Dragonfly.

B (66:16)

Yeah, sweet. Now right now we've got Ray pronoun sheen her. Hello fellow resister. I'm a fairly new subscriber and I listen to your show daily. Hi Ray. Two people suggested I follow you and I listen and I want to talk about. Excuse me, I want to talk about each of them for a minute. Nicole, whom I have known for 15 years as an incredible educator at a local community college doing the good, hard, frustrating work of teaching critical thinking skills to young adults and other community college members, as well as best practices for new educators. She is a champion ally of the LGBTQA community with a mama bear's fierceness, a rescuer of wonderful little and big dogs, and a lifelong learner of everything. It's so inspiring to witness her changing students lives for the better. My partner Nancy persuaded me to be a listener of the daily beans too. When the new regime became an inevitability, she suddenly became a daily connoisseur of the political podcast and substacks. From someone who prided herself on knowing as little as possible about the political climate to an expert on the issues of the day, Nancy has transformed my life. The first thing she did was organize on an ongoing protest at our very Republican 1st District's congressman's office who would not provide a town hall. She eventually did, which became national news since we were so vocal about his lack of representation for many of our needs. And the protesters still stand outside his office weekly with signs and slow slogans. They won't go away. The local newspaper didn't report the three weekly protests of our community provides that shrink and swell depending on the issues of the day. But we're not deterred. Nancy spent most of her work in life in a thankless job serving eligible people of our country in receiving snap medical, excuse me, medical, and Medicaid. It was hard to say no to people who needed resources but didn't quite meet the eligibility. It felt heartless to deny services to people who did not have the skills to provide the necessary paper work but were very qualified. And it tormented her to rip away resources from clients who missed a crucial resource because they became homeless or their contact information changed. These two are my sheros. I've enclosed pics of my silly grandpups and my new favorite T shirt. Let's all cause a kerfuffle. Thank you all for what you do for us. Oh, my God, these puppies.

A (68:39)

Off to cause a kerfuffle. And it's a little frog with a wizard hat riding a bicycle.

B (68:45)

Love it. And those pups are cute as shit.

A (68:47)

Look at those babies. Kerfuffle is a great word. I love those words. Like bedlam, shenanigans, tomfoolery, ballyhoo, brouhaha, kerfuffle. Yeah, love those words. Thank you all. Thank you so much for that. And thanks for that great shout out there at the end, everybody. We really appreciate your good news. Please send it to us dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. Contact. Thanks again to Anna Bauer and Adam Klassfeld for staying up late with me on substack live. Muellershirote.com and you heard that interview today on the beans. And stay tuned because we might have some more breaking news soon. Anything else you want to share today before we get out of here, my friend?

B (69:27)

No, I don't think so. All right, Wishing you all a great start to your week on day two.

A (69:32)

Yes. Start to your week. You've been traveling.

B (69:35)

Yeah, I know.

A (69:37)

But we appreciate all the hard work that you're doing too, my friend.

B (69:40)

Thank you, honey.

A (69:41)

All right, everybody, we'll be back in your ears tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been ag. I've been DG and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcast podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information Please visit msw media.com msw media.