The Daily Beans: "Proudboys With Badges"
October 7, 2025 | MSW Media
Host: Allison Gill (A.G.), with Dana Goldberg
Special Guests: Adam Klasfeld, Anna Bower
Episode Overview
This episode dives deep into the current state of political and legal turmoil in the U.S., focusing on:
- Trump’s remarks about potentially pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell after her Supreme Court appeal was denied
- Aggressive federal immigration enforcement in Chicago and Portland, drawing parallels to the “Proud Boys” with governmental authority
- A detailed legal breakdown of the controversial National Guard deployments, including an emergency court hearing with expert analysis from court reporters Adam Klasfeld and Anna Bower
Snark, concern, and legal expertise permeate the discussion, offering both sharp criticism of recent events and a close look at the judiciary’s response.
Main Discussion & Key Segments
Opening Headlines (00:00 - 04:00)
- Trump Considers Maxwell Pardon: President Trump publicly waffles on whether he'd consider a pardon for convicted child sex offender and Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell, after the Supreme Court rejects her appeal.
- Trump (02:07): “I see. Well, I'll take a look at it. I'll speak to… I will speak to the DOJ. I wouldn't consider it or not consider. I don't know anything about it, so. But I'll speak. I will speak to the DOJ… I have. A lot of people have asked me for pardons...”
- Supreme Court Denials: The Court refuses Maxwell’s appeal and also rejects Laura Loomer’s lawsuit over being banned from social media.
- Legal Action on National Guard Deployments: Two emergency hearings addressed the federal deployment of National Guard to Portland and Chicago, with judges pushing back on DOJ tactics.
- ICE/DHS Violence in Chicago: New bodycam footage surfaces showing DHS agents may have initiated violence during the Martinez/Ruiz traffic stop.
Trump & the Maxwell Pardon (01:29 - 02:55)
- Context and Reaction: Trump acts evasive, pretending not to know Ghislaine Maxwell before slipping into typical double-talk about pardons.
- Trump (02:33): "...I'm going to have to take a look at it. I'd have to ask DOJ. I didn't know they rejected it. I didn't know she was even asking for it, frankly, Steve."
- A.G. (02:53): “To even say, I don't even know who that is. Really.”
- Dana (02:55): “Come on, seriously. You told Todd Blanche to go move her to a low security. Come on. Anyway, just ridiculous.”
- Public Pressure: Survivors of Epstein's crimes are organizing a press conference to demand action and transparency.
National Guard Deployments: Portland & Chicago (04:00 - 07:21)
- Legal Battles: Judges in Portland and Chicago are resisting what they see as federal overreach and poor legal justifications for deploying troops.
- A.G. recaps a late-night emergency hearing and previews the segment’s later, in-depth breakdown with guests.
- ICE Violent Tactics: Latest updates on Chicago traffic stop suggest DHS officers escalated violence, challenging official narratives.
- A.G. (05:15): “The lawyer in court today said he's got body cam footage showing that the DHS actually rammed into her, turned left into her vehicle and said, do something, bitch. Before firing shots.”
- Dana (05:51): “They're basically proud boys with badges... there’s a lot of people cosplaying right now.”
Indictments & DOJ Drama (09:16 - 12:44)
- Comey Indictment: Clarification that Andy McCabe is not “Person Three” in the Comey indictment. Discussion about the lack of career prosecutors willing to move cases forward against Comey or Letitia James due to absence of evidence.
- A.G. (10:56): “...he’s like, yeah, I couldn’t find anything. So that’s why Eric Siebert was like, we can't prosecute Comey before he was fired for not doing it.”
- Dana (12:01): “I’m so annoyed with this administration for making me cheer for people that are really, just really did not have strong, you know, good feelings for... Fuck you for making me agree with these people.”
ICE Raids in Chicago: War Zone Tactics (12:44 - 17:06)
- Aggressive Enforcement Details: Reports of helicopters, chemical agents near schools, handcuffing local officials, detaining U.S. citizens.
- Dana (13:48): “They fucking took zipline down. They rappelled down onto this. They pulled everyone out of their apartments, regardless of knowing their legal status. Children that were naked. It’s a horrible story...”
- Dana (16:23): “This is so far out of control.”
- A.G. (17:06): “By the way, it came out in court. She actually didn’t brandish a weapon... She had a pistol in her car because she has a concealed carry permit...”
Supreme Court Watch: Maxwell & Loomer Cases (18:17 - 21:03)
- Maxwell Denied: SCOTUS denies Ghislaine Maxwell’s last hope for appeal; her lawyer persists, hinting only a pardon or external intervention is left.
- A.G. (18:58): “Go ahead, fucker. Pardoner. See how that goes for shutting down your Epstein files problem.”
- Laura Loomer & Social Media: Loomer’s lawsuit over deplatforming is summarily dismissed; Section 230 protections remain steadfast.
Special Segment: Legal Breakdown – Emergency National Guard Hearing
(Interview with Adam Klasfeld & Anna Bower | 23:27 – 55:51)
Setting the Scene
- Late Night Emergency Hearing: Judge Immergut (Trump appointee) had issued a restraining order blocking National Guard deployment in Portland. DOJ attempted to circumvent it by sending in National Guard units from California and Texas.
- A.G. (28:28): “...in order to issue a temporary restraining order, I don’t need all that. I just need sort of a first look. And her impression is that sending out the guard was just, you know, the wrong idea.”
- Klasfeld (28:49): “You can tell a federal judge is very angry… if they ask repeatedly if you are responding as an officer of the court...”
Legal and Judicial Frustration
- Hair-Splitting & Semantics: DOJ relies on technicalities and narrow readings of judge’s orders, prompting visible judicial exasperation.
- Anna Bower (41:54): “It is very much like, you know, giving instructions to a kindergartner a little bit. ...Because they see the experience that Judge Boasberg had... So, a lot of these judges... are trying to go to great lengths to try to really, like, break things down to... kindergarten levels...”
- Systemic Patterns: Trump’s administration frequently offers one narrative to the public and another in court, leaving judges skeptical.
- Klasfeld (54:16): "Reminds me... after the 2020 election where you'd have Rudy Giuliani go up... and talk about fraud, then he'd go into court and say this exact sentence: 'This is not a fraud case.'... when these lawyers are put in front of a court... the messaging changes, they cannot lie quite as flagrantly."
- Checks on Federal Power: The courts, especially at the district level, are critical in tempering executive overreach despite extreme deference built into the legal structure.
- Klasfeld (52:28): "Public hearings like these show the limitations of Trump’s power... What courts keep doing is showing how limited those powers are, even with high deference to the executive."
Broader Implications
- Judges Changing the Playbook: Requiring explicit, meticulously detailed orders due to administration’s penchant for exploiting ambiguities.
- A.G. (40:49): “So I imagine now we're going to start seeing judges... being like, okay... I can’t just say the memo... I have to say any national guard or the D.C. national Guard...”
- Judiciary Under Attack: Judges under direct personal threat—one judge’s home set on fire following targeted right-wing rhetoric.
Quotes & Notable Moments
- Dana (05:51): "They're basically proud boys with badges."
- A.G. (12:29): “Fuck you for making me agree with these people.”
- Anna Bower (41:54): “It is very much like... giving instructions to a kindergartner... because [judges] see the experience that Judge Boasberg had...”
- Klasfeld (52:28): "...the public hearings here... show the limitations of Trump's power... courts keep showing how limited those powers are, even in a system of very, very high deference to the executive..."
- A.G. (18:58): “Go ahead, fucker. Pardoner. See how that goes for shutting down your Epstein files problem.”
Timestamps for Key Segments
- Trump on Maxwell Pardon & Supreme Court (01:29–02:55)
- Legal/Emergency National Guard Deployment in Portland/Chicago (04:00–07:21; 23:27–55:51)
- ICE Violence & Federal Overreach in Chicago (12:44–17:06)
- Comey Indictment Update (09:16–12:44)
- SCOTUS on Maxwell & Loomer (18:17–21:03)
Tone & Takeaways
The tone is urgent, darkly humorous, and unapologetically critical of government overreach, lack of transparency, and authoritarian drift. Throughout, there’s a running thread of judicial resilience, legal ingenuity, and grassroots resistance, while never losing the show’s signature edge of irony and snark.
For listeners seeking insight into both front-line legal happenings and the battle for democratic norms, this episode offers expert perspectives, spirited analysis, and memorable commentary.
Closing & Good News (58:11–end)
After the legal heavy lifting, the hosts turn to listener good news, community stories, and pod pet pictures—reminding listeners (and themselves) of resilient hope, grassroots action, and the everyday joys that persist even in turbulent times.
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