Refried Beans | 1776 Returns (feat. Adam Klasfeld) | 6/16/2022

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Daily Beans – "Refried Beans | 1776 Returns" (feat. Adam Klasfeld)

Episode Date: June 16, 2022
Hosts: Allison Gill (AG) & Dana Goldberg (DG)
Special Guest: Adam Klasfeld, Managing Editor at Law & Crime
Podcast Theme: Progressive political news with wit and deep dives into current events

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Episode Overview

This episode dissects emerging details from the January 6th investigation, focusing on Rep. Barry Loudermilk’s controversial Capitol tour on January 5, 2021—now facing new scrutiny after surveillance footage release. AG and DG analyze the unfolding story, the connections to the "1776 Returns" plot, updates in major Capitol riot prosecutions, Department of Justice actions, and significant news in reproductive rights law. The latter half welcomes legal journalist Adam Klasfeld to break down new revelations about the Loudermilk footage and the Proud Boys “1776 Returns” plan.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking Down Barry Loudermilk’s Capitol “Tour”

[03:00 – 16:14, 17:24 – 28:39]

• Footage Reveals Reconnaissance:
  The January 6th Committee released video evidence contradicting Rep. Barry Loudermilk's prior denials about a tour he led on January 5, 2021. Footage shows individuals wearing MAGA hats taking detailed photos of tunnels, staircases, and security posts — activities “not typically of interest to tourists” ([08:21] DG quoting Committee letter).

  • AG: “The group was taking photos of tunnels and staircases and at least one of them marched on the Capitol the next day.” ([01:30])
  • DG: “It bolsters the allegation … that the tour amounted to a reconnaissance.” ([04:19])

• Loudermilk’s Changing Story:
  Loudermilk shifted from outright denial (“I didn’t give a tour”) to admitting it was a “family with guests,” to a group of about 15. His explanations have continued to evolve as new evidence surfaces.

  • AG: “Then he said he only gave a tour to families with some kids. Then it was a tour with his family and the guests. Then it was about 15 people. Like, it just evolved over the last year.” ([04:19])

• “1776 Returns” Plan Connection:
  The discussion emphasizes a strategic document found on Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, detailing plans to occupy multiple congressional office buildings—including those Loudermilk’s tour entered (Rayburn, Cannon, Longworth).

  • AG: “It’s important to note that there are tunnels that connect them. And they did see those tunnels, they just didn’t go through them. And also the, you know, remember the 1776 returns document … which included occupying all kinds of buildings in the Capitol complex, including the Cannon Building.” ([06:00])
  • The plan called for setting appointments with representatives as a means to gain entry.

• Reconnaissance Verified:
  One individual on the tour, who took photos, is later seen threatening lawmakers on video as the Capitol is breached:

  • Quote: “There’s no escape. Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler … we’re coming to take you out and pull you out by your hairs.” ([09:30] DG quoting video evidence)

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2. DOJ and Legal Developments

[11:48 – 16:14]

• Capitol Riot Prosecutions:
  Trump-appointed Judge Trevor McFadden finds the Siegfrieds guilty of obstructing an official proceeding—breaking his trend of leniency toward January 6 defendants.

  • AG: “This is the guy who had acquitted the others … not this time. Maybe it was Officer Goodman’s testimony that swayed him.” ([10:29])

• Steve Bannon Contempt Case:
  Bannon's motion to dismiss his criminal contempt charge is denied, with his July trial proceeding.

• Buffalo Mass Shooting Charges:
  Attorney General Merrick Garland announces 26 federal hate crime and weapons charges for the Buffalo supermarket shooter, including those with potential death penalty implications.

  • AG quoting Garland: “The families and the survivors would be consulted.” ([12:05])

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3. Abortion Rights Lawsuit by South Florida Synagogue

[12:50 – 16:14]

• Religious Freedom Legal Strategy:
  A South Florida Jewish congregation sues to block the state’s 15-week abortion ban, arguing it violates both privacy and religious freedom under the Florida Constitution.
  • DG quoting lawsuit: “In Jewish law, abortion is required if necessary to protect the health, mental or physical well being of the woman … the act prohibits Jewish women from practicing their faith." ([13:33])
  • The lawsuit is highlighted as a clever challenge, leveraging the language of "religious freedom" often invoked by conservative justices.

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4. In-Depth Interview: Adam Klasfeld on Loudermilk and "1776 Returns"

[17:24 – 28:39]

The Committee’s Investigative Tactics

• Strategic Evidence Drops:
  The January 6th Committee is observed using a tactical approach: letting targets make denials before methodically releasing contradicting evidence.

  • Adam Klasfeld: “There is assertion after assertion being complicated… all of a sudden you can see stills of the footage. There are the people in MAGA hats. So we see steadily, even down to these minute details, assertion after assertion being complicated.” ([18:30])

• Unusual Conduct:
  Loudermilk’s personal involvement is flagged as odd, given tours are usually left to staff unless for major donors or VIPs.

  • AG: “It just doesn’t make any sense...I can't game it out in any reasonable way that keeps his hands completely clean.” ([21:08])

• "1776 Returns" Document in Court:
  The defense in a Proud Boys case enters the full text of the “1776 Returns” document, a blueprint for occupying government buildings—including those central to Loudermilk’s tour.

  • Klasfeld: "These office buildings were part of the targeted buildings explicitly labeled as such... So I don’t believe that ... this is the only elected official the January 6th committee is turning the heat on.” ([24:56])

• Pressure Campaign and Social Media:
  The committee is commended for its effective public communication, including dramatic video teasers (like Hirschman telling Eastman: “get yourself a fucking criminal defense attorney and a good one. You’re going to need it.” [AG, 26:54]) that have garnered unusual social media engagement.

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5. Listener Mail & Good News Segment

[29:32 – end]

• Language Sensitivity:
  Listeners encourage the hosts to use more precise descriptors like “pro-forced pregnancy/birth” instead of “pro-life,” and to prefer “anti-LGBTQ” over “homophobic.”

  • Christine: “It matters what we call a thing. It matters even more when the speaker is worth listening to … as our dearest Leguminati.” ([30:49])

• Pet Pictures and Espirit de Corps:
  In classic Daily Beans style, the episode concludes with pet photos, lighthearted banter, and positivity—boosting morale amid sobering news cycles.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• AG on the Committee’s Tactic: "I love that they gave him a chance to, like, lie about it and then hit him with the video evidence." ([03:39])
• DG on the Threatening Video: “He Facebook lived this shit while he was threatening people in the Congress.” ([09:20])
• Adam Klasfeld on Evidence: “Assertion after assertion being complicated... We see steadily ... the footage that the January 6th committee had issued along with it and it is pretty explosive stuff.” ([18:30])
• AG reflecting on social media impact: “What congressional Tweet ever gets 100,000 likes? So I’m very encouraged by ... the American people being into what’s going on and what’s being revealed.” ([27:14])

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Important Timestamps

• 01:30 — Episode, Loudermilk tour coverage begins
• 03:00 – 10:29 — Deep dive into the reconnaissance allegations, evolving Loudermilk narrative, "1776 Returns"
• 11:48 – 12:50 — DOJ charging updates: Siegfried convictions, Bannon, Buffalo hate crimes
• 12:50 – 16:14 — Florida abortion law challenged on religious freedom grounds
• 17:24 – 28:39 — Adam Klasfeld interview: Law & Crime analysis of the footage, Proud Boys’ plan, committee strategy
• 29:32 – end — Listener mail, language choices, pet pictures, positive closure

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The hosts balance biting political analysis, relentless focus on accountability, and their signature irreverence. The conversation with Klasfeld is both detailed and accessible, making sense of dense legal developments and the deeper implications for democracy and oversight. The episode is a must-listen for those following House investigations, the intersection of “Stop the Steal” plotting, and creative legal approaches in reproductive rights.

End message:
From fresh outrage over obstructed justice to small wins for language activism and animal rescue, The Daily Beans continues to blend sharp critique, progressive hope, and a unique community feel—"Vote blue over Q. Them's the beans."

Transcript

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[AG (Allison Gill)]

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[AG (Allison Gill)]

Hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Thursday, June 16, 2022. Today, Barry Loudermilk continues to obfuscate the tour he gave as video evidence is released that the group was taking photos of tunnels and staircases and at least one of them marched on the Capitol. The next day, Trump appointed Judge Trevor McFadden finds the Seyfrieds guilty of obstructing an official proceeding and four other counts in a bench trial. Bannon's motion to dismiss his criminal contempt of charge is shoved back up his butt. And the buffalo shooting suspect has been hit with 26 federal hate crimes charges by Merrick Garland. And finally, a South Florida synagogue sues over the state's 15 week abortion ban. I'm Alison Gill.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

And I'm Dana Goldberg.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Put that thing back into your butt. That's what they said to Bannon.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

I think that is. I like when you sing that. I don't want to even think about Bannon's nasty, unwashed butt, but thank you.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

His face is probably worse. What was that old dad joke? I've got a match. Do you have a match? Yeah. Your face in my butt. Okay, so today we're going to be talking to Adam Klassfeld from Law and Crime. He's the managing editor there. We're going to talk about this Loudermilk stuff. I'm going to cover it in the Hot Notes, too. We have a big show. This show you're listening to is, as you know, that the same day that the next hearing is happening on Capitol Hill, hopefully I will Be in that hearing and listening to it. We shall see if all goes well. I'll be in it. All right, so, Dana, we have a lot to get to, so let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. Ron Burgundy's right. Testicle. Barry Loudermilk just can't catch a break today. The January 6th committee posted photos and video footage of some of the family of constituents that Loudermilk gave a Jan. 5 tour to in the Cannon Building, showing people with MAGA hats and Hitler haircuts snapping photos of tunnel entrances, office locations, stairwells, and security screening posts. Bunches. But that's not all. From Hugo Lowell at The Guardian, about 24 hours before the attack on the Capitol. That's Louder. Milk led an unofficial tour through the House office buildings, passing by the security checkpoints located at the entrances to the tunnels leading to the Capitol building. The tour included a man who took photos of the tunnel entrances and the U.S. capitol Police checkpoints and then joined thousands of Donald Trump supporters the following day to march on the Capitol from the Ellipse. That person's activity was captured on security cameras and turned over to the House Select Committee investigating the insurrection. The panel made the footage publicly available on Wednesday in a letter demanding cooperation in its inquiry from Loudermilk. I love that they gave him a chance to, like, lie about it and then hit him with the video evidence.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

I do, too. I feel like that was like the questioning of Margie Taylor Greene when he

[AG (Allison Gill)]

was like, did you say, blah, blah, blah?

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

And she's like, I did not. He's like, well, let's bring up the tweet.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

She's like, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Oh, that. That key.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yeah. So this footage showing the man and others stopping to photograph the tunnels and checkpoints bolsters the allegation from Democrats that the tour amounted to a reconnaissance. It also cast doubt on Loudermilk's previous denials that he led a tour connected in any way to January 6th. Loudermilk even first denied that he led a tour at all. Then he said he only gave a tour to families with some kids. Then it was a tour with his family and the guests. Then it was about 15 people. Like, it just evolved over the last year. And the video evidence additionally challenged the recent letter from the U.S. capitol Police Chief Tom Manger, sort of, who informed Loudermilk that we train our officers in being alert for people conducting surveillance. We do not consider any of the activities we observed as suspicious. Although it's important to note that at the time, you didn't know there was going to be an attack on the Capitol. So, you know, taking photos in hallways and stuff might not have seemed suspicious. But giving a tour when everything was shut down during COVID by a congressperson himself to not a VIP megadonor is weird. The tour was notable, as he says, because officially tours were banned during that time. But members of Congress tend to bend the rules as they see fit, Hugo Sundays. For instance, two sources familiar with the matter said a member wanting to give a tour could have given one name to the appointment desk and had an entire group let in. Yesterday, when major media outlets were calling the tour a nothing burger after a guy from the Capitol Police, that guy issued his letter saying that, you know, everything's normal. I didn't think so. Here's what I had to say about it yesterday. Let's listen to this clip. And while they were in the Cannon Building and not the Capitol building itself, it's important to note that there are tunnels that connect them. And they did see those tunnels, they just didn't go through them. And also the, you know, remember the 1776 returns document that was found on Enrique Tarrio?

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Yes.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

That was about occupying all kinds of buildings in the Capitol complex, including the Cannon Building. And so, you know, I mean, there, you know, just whatever, you know, make take, take of it as you will, because I personally still want more answers. Rep. Pete Aguilar, a member of the panel, told reporters Tuesday he wanted a full security footage to be aired at some point. He thought certain Republicans distinction between entering the Capitol itself versus its office buildings wasn't a meaningful difference, he says. I'm sorry if I don't distinguish between the two because those rioters tried to get in every corner of these buildings. So Loudermilk tour was cleared into a House office building by a staffer, the select committee said in a letter, and the group would probably have been registered in his official visit to Loudermilk's office, but took the, quote, scenic route on the way in or out. The sources say the source spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss how the group might have been authorized to be in the complex. They added it was possible that the names of the entire group were never recorded, but if they were, they would be in possession of the House Sergeant at Arms. Remember that guy got fired. Member led tours, including the Capitol Dome, into the Capitol Dome, which then Congresswoman elect Lauren Boebert managed on 12 December 2020, has since returned to the Capitol, though the procedure is more stringent. Visitors must be submitted and vetted in advance. It's of note that Boebert Tweeted, Today is 1776 on the day of the Capitol attack. And a document called 1776 Returns was found on Enrique Tarrio when he was arrested. And that document was released in full today in a federal defense court filing. As an addendum in rails Zachary Rales hearing, He's a proud boy. Loudermilk has defended his tour, saying he didn't even give a tour like I said. But the 1776 returns document shows the Winter palace plan, which included occupying a list of, quote, targeted buildings with 50 Patriots to draw security away from the Capitol that day and to make their demands of the government. The list of targeted buildings includes the Cannon House, the Longworth House and the Rayburn House, all of which Loudermilk was in that day. Additionally, part of the 1776 returns plan included, quote, set appointments on January 5th with representatives in buildings to be let in with the goal of occupying those buildings. But wait, there's more.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

There is? Yeah.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Let's get back to Hugo's story. Dana.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Yes, there is more. AG According to the Select Committee, Loudermilk led an hours long tour for approximately 10 people around the Rayburn Canon and Longworth House office buildings, as well as the tunnels leading from Rayburn and Longworth to the Capitol building itself. This is a, quote, individuals on the tour photographed and recorded areas of the complex not typically of interest to tourists. This is the panel. That's from Benny Thompson. He wrote that in a letter to Loudermilk to Loudermilk saying, this looks sketchy as fuck.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Do you think they broke the law? It's time to play sketch or nah.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Went on to say, the January 5, 2021 tour raises concerns about their activity and intent. So the Select Committee added that it had learned that some of the people on Loudermilk's tour, they attended the Save America rally. That's when that took place at the Ellipse, as we know, on the morning of January 6th, where Donald spoke and urged his supporters to march to the Capitol. Now, citing additional video clips obtained in its investigation, the panel said the man that took a photograph of a staircase in Longworth located next to a hallway leading to one of the tunnels, joined the march to the Capitol and threatened members of Congress. The whole thing was caught on video because he recorded the fucking thing. Quote, there's no escape. Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler, the man said as the Capitol was being breached, the video shows it's his voice. And he went on to say, they're Coming in. Coming in like white on rice. Pelosi, Nadler, even you, aoc, we're coming to take you out and pull you out by your hairs. Hairs. Yeah. So the man who took photos of tunnels leading to the Capitol on GOP Rep. Barry Loudermilk's tour, that specific tour the day before the Capitol attack, he appears to have arrived in D.C. on January 4th on a Keep America Great bus. The man appears to have gotten on one of the Keep America great buses around 7:20am That's Eastern Time. Stopped in Columbia, South Carolina, around 11:30. Now, he was in Cannon Rotunda on January 5th around 1:00pm Eastern Time. And that's per his Facebook Live of the tour. I'm telling you, he Facebook lived this shit while he was threatening people in the Congress.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yep. Yep.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

He's a smart fella. Real smart fella.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

And a reminder. In the superseding indictment against the Proud Boys for seditious conspiracy, the Department of Justice notes a conversation between Tarrio and person one, who we now know to be Jeremy Bertino. And they mentioned the Winter palace, which is a direct reference to the 1776 Returns Plan, meaning that the plan was still in place and hadn't been abandoned that day. When Bertino texted 1776 motherfuckers, Tarrio responded, The Winter Palace. In other 16 news, father and son Siegfried have been found guilty on five counts, including obstructing an official proceeding by Trevor McFadden in a bench trial. This is the guy who had acquitted the others of charges, including obstructing an official proceeding in the Capitol attack. But not this time. Maybe it was Officer Goodman's testimony that swayed him. And, you know, a lot of these insurrectionists are asking for bench trials because they found out Trevor McFadden was going easy on people. But not today. Now, Bannon. By the way, here's some more news about Bannon. His motion to dismiss the contempt charges against him have been denied. That motion has been denied, allowing the July 18 trial to go forward as planned. That was Judge Nichols, another Trump appointee and one of the 12 judges that decided obstructing an official proceeding couldn't be used in Capitol attack cases. So these are, like, not the best judges, but making the right choices.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

It's so obvious they're not the best judges of character. What?

[AG (Allison Gill)]

What? In other DOJ news, a month after the massacre at Buffalo, the Buffalo Supermarket tops left 10 black residents dead, federal prosecutors charged the accused gunman with 26 counts of hate crimes and weapons violations on Wednesday.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Good.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Some of the federal charges would carry the death penalty if the Justice Department decided to seek it, though there is currently a moratorium on federal executions. The criminal complaint, which contained new details about the suspect's racist hatred and his commitment to planning an attack that would kill as many black people as possible. This came as Attorney General Merrick Garland traveled to Buffalo on Wednesday to visit the site and to tell the families personally that he was bringing the charges. In a news conference on Wednesday, Garland did not rule out seeking the death penalty in the case. He said, quote, the Justice Department has a series of procedures it follows, he said, adding, the families and the survivors would be consulted. So those are the typical answers we would expect to hear from Merrick Garland, but He is bringing 26 federal hate crimes charges and weapons violations.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Good. Thank you so much, Ag. And now I feel like this is a good news story at the end of this block and you'll see why. A South Florida Jewish congregation, they have challenged a new state law that blocks abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy, contending the measure violates privacy and religious freedom rights. What the lawsuit I know, filed Friday in Leon County Circuit Court by Congregation Lador Vador, seeks to block the law from taking effect July 1st. Abortion clinics also filed a lawsuit this month in Leon county challenging the constitutionality of the restriction. Both cases include allegations that the law signed by Governor DeSantis in April, violates a privacy right in the Florida Constitution that has long played a pivotal role in abortion cases in the state. But the lawsuit filed Friday by the Boynton beach congregation also contends the law violates religious freedom rights. This is a quote, yes, for Jews, all life is precious and thus the decision to bring new life into the world is not taken lightly or determined by state fiat. The lawsuit said. Went on to say, in Jewish law, abortion is required if necessary to protect the health, mental or physical well being of the woman or for many other reasons not permitted under the act. Now, which is the new law. As such, the act prohibits Jewish women from practicing their faith free of government intrusion and thus violates their privacy rights and religious freedom.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Ooh, originalists are gonna have a hard time with this one.

[Adam Klasfeld]

Yep.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

This is so smart. This is so smart. The lawsuit also said congregation members and other people who do not share the religious views reflected in the act will suffer irreparable harm by having their religious freedom under the Florida Constitution violated. Went on to say, this failure to maintain the separation of church and state, like so many other laws in other lands throughout history, threatens the Jewish family and thus also threatens the Jewish people by Imposing the laws of other religions upon Jews. I love this. That's again from the lawsuit. The 15 week abortion limit was one of the most controversial issues of this year's legislative session and came as the US Supreme Court considers the constitutionality of a similar Mississippi law. And as we know, a leaked draft opinion in the Supreme Court case and they basically indicated justices would overturn Roe v. Wade and that's what they were planning on doing. This is so smart because these are also justices, Amy Coney, Barrett Kavanaugh, the other fucks that believe in religious freedom. They do. So this is a really good lawsuit that just got brought, I believe. I think it's got a lot of legs.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yeah. And I think it's one that Ellie brought up, Ellie Mistahl brought up in his Three Test Cases piece where we had him on recently to talk about that. He wrote that in the Nation, also talked about cruel and unusual punishment, 8th amendment. Now it looks like they're suing under the Florida Constitution and not the US Constitution. But, you know, we'll see how that pans out and what they, what they're basing this on. And that would even be another kind of a smart way to go to be like, well, states, you know, states rights, you know, that whole argument about why, you know, we'll just let the states decide, right?

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Yeah, 100%.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

And then you don't even have to get into enumerated rights of the US Constitution. Very, very interesting lawsuit. I'll be watching this very closely because I really am interested to see the kinds of backbending.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Oh, yeah.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

And how if they make the, what we would consider the wrong decision in this lawsuit, what that would say about previous decisions they've made in bake shop issues and Hobby Lobby and, you know, other religious freedom bullshit decisions. All right, we will be right back. We're going to talk to Adam Klassfeld, managing editor at Law and Crime. We're going to talk a little bit more about Louder Milk. So stick around. We'll be right back after these messages.

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[AG (Allison Gill)]

Hey, everybody, welcome back. Happy today to be joined by the host of the Objections podcast and editor at large from Law and Crime, Adam Klassfeld. Adam, hello.

[Adam Klasfeld]

Hi. How are you doing?

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Allison Oh, I am trying to wade through all of the breaking news. It never relents, especially the breaking news concerned with Rep. Barry Loudermilk's tours of the Capitol on jail. Sorry, I'm sorry. He didn't give any tours, but then he did to a family and then a family with guests and then a group of 15 people. And now there's video out, right? And it seems like the committee was like, no, we know what you did and gave him a chance to object and then threw the evidence right in his face. And you just put out a piece for Law and crime. It's called January 6th Committee Releases Footage of tour led by Georgia Republican Day before the attack on the U.S. capitol. I recommend everybody check it out in Law and Crime by Adam, tell us what, where are we so far? I mean, and I have a feeling we're not at the end.

[Adam Klasfeld]

So it has been a basically a whirlwind series of events because just yesterday Barry Loudermilk and the committee that he stood on, the committee on House administration, had somewhat triumphantly released a Capitol Police report that they claimed had cleared him. Essentially, the Capitol Police chief said that they noticed nothing suspicious in the surveillance footage that they reviewed. And I remember at the time I asked the committee for comment, the January 6th committee, I mean, at this time, and didn't receive a reply. Does this allay your concerns now that the Capitol Police have spoken on this issue? And they basically withheld comment to the press at this time and then a day later released a, as you stated earlier, some very explosive footage, including both surveillance footage from the tour and footage that happened a day later at the march to the Capitol by one of the people who was on that tour and basically reiterated that they want Loudermilk's cooperation. They want essentially what they say are discrepancies between his story and which was initially that there was no tour. Well, all of a sudden there is a tour. Then there was another statement by the Republicans on the committee on House administration saying there is nobody in any MAGA hats. And all of a sudden you can see stills of the footage. There are the people in MAGA hats. So we see steadily, even down to these minute details, assertion after assertion being complicated. And they lay out why they believe. Contra the Capitol Police, this is suspicious. For example, on January 5th, there weren't supposed to be any tours. The committee notes in their letter, and they have laid it out in a three page letter that's embedded in the article. Your listeners can read it at the bottom of it, they can see the footage that the January 6th committee had issued along with it. And it is pretty explosive stuff.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yeah. And also we, you know, now we have Hugo Lowell reporting that this guy was on a Make America Great bus that came up from Georgia and stopped in South Carolina. Unsure, I am, as of yet, who funded those buses, but I guess it was these were buses of Loudermilk constituents. And so I'm trying to game it out in my head like, you're Loudermilk. You find out, you help or know that buses of your constituents are coming up for January 6th for the rally on the Ellipse. And so you are asked to give a tour by, I guess, strangers, maybe someone you know, someone who was told to contact you. I'm not sure. But then, you know, additionally to them not having tours at that time because of COVID the congresspeople themselves generally don't give the tours to people unless they're big donors, VIPs, stuff like that. It's usually these tours are given by staffers. So why was he individually involved in that? And, you know, I'm just, I can't game it out in any reasonable way. That keeps his hands completely clean. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Klasfeld]

Well, as I mentioned earlier, the other wrinkle that the January 6th committee latched onto is the fact that the Capitol was closed to the public that day. Reached out, of course, to Loudermill office, and he sent out a statement. And he's of course, playing it down. He's saying that this was a visit with constituents and the Capitol Police determined it wasn't suspicious. This is a quote from his statement. The pictures show children holding bags from the House gift shop, which was open to visitors, and taking pictures of the Rayburn train. We've also seen still frames of visitors who appear to be taking photographs of darkened stairways. The committee is pointing out that there were photo moments that don't seem to be typical tourist attractions that they were recording.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

That's the, that's the Rayburn stairwell. And Zoe Lofgren just told MSNBC that's the stairwell she was escorted. That's the tunnel she was Escorted out of the next day. And then that guy, by the way, that Hitler haircut guy, he has four phones on him. He's taken pictures with multiple phones of that stairwell. And of course, Loudermilk says, well, there's a really cool gold eagle sconce in that stairwell. And it just. It keeps getting weirder and weirder. And so I'm trying to figure out, you know, we're all trying to sit here and game out where this is going. But I can't help but think about the release today from the Department of Justice in a filing in the Proud Boys case of the 1776 Returns document, which lists in it that the plan is to occupy Canon Rayburn. Longworth. Is it Longworth?

[Adam Klasfeld]

Yeah, no, that is the one. And it's actually very interesting because I believe that was in the case of Zachary Rell. And interestingly enough, that wasn't a. As I understand it, that was a defense filing. And the whole. And it speaks to some of the oddity of all of this because, well, his defenses.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

We didn't. We weren't planning on going into the Capitol. Look, our. Our 1776 plan here is to occupy the other government buildings, these targeted buildings, make our demands known and, you know, overthrow the government. But we'll talk about that. But that was the plan that Tario was texting Bertino, Jeremy bertino about on January 6, when he said the Winter Palace. And he's like, yeah, 1776, motherfuckers. So this is. And then we got Boebert tweeting, Seven, today is 1776. And she was managing capital tours in December. So it's just like, what? Things are just a little, hmm, weird.

[Adam Klasfeld]

Right. And one of the targeted buildings on that 1776 returns list was CNN. And this was a notation, at least egg doorway, you know, as if this required a sense of planning. Lest they forget that they wanted to egg the doorway of this cable news network. They memorialize that in this document. So we're now seeing very different pieces of the puzzle come together. As you noted this, these office buildings were part of the targeted buildings explicitly labeled as such. Targeted buildings. So I don't believe that, as we've seen before, and I think, as we've discussed before, this is not the only elected official the January 6th committee is turning the heat on. I don't imagine that he will be the last. And I think we'll be picking apart how Representative Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are making their colleagues very uncomfortable on their own side of the aisle.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yeah. And now we're seeing this sort of gamesmanship where they'll drop a hint and wait for the person to deny it and then come out with massive evidence against their denial. So it's gotta be now. I think that that could chill some of these targets, you know, to defend themselves. Like, oh, what do they have on me? You know, look what they released on Loudermilk and his tours. But, yeah, it's very. We're going to be very interested to find out who authored the 1776 Returns document, how Tarrio got it. Apparently he got it from a female. I don't know if that's Amy Harris or someone else. And then we don't know who authored it. And then, of course, wondering, too, if Loudermilk is one of the people who called the White House and asked for a pardon. So there's just so many things that have to be considered, so many pieces of evidence I think the committee has and will be releasing. And then I love, I have to say, Adam, these little in between teasers that the committee is coming out with this video of Hirschman saying, you know, get yourself a fucking criminal defense attorney and a good one. You're going to need it. To John Eastman about the hearing that's going to take place tomorrow, which is today for everyone listening and that got 100,000 likes and counting and growing. What congressional Tweet Ever gets 100,000 likes? So I'm very encouraged by the, I guess the, the interaction, the media, the people being into it, the American people being into what. What's going on and what's being revealed.

[Adam Klasfeld]

Right. And I think that that has been the case in between hearings, just ceding the next hearing. And we are to. The hearing that is coming up, of course, is going to look into the pressure campaign into Mike Pence and the efforts that were trying to get him to block the certification of Joe Biden's victory. And so I doubt this will be the last time something emerges and news breaks in between the hearing that essentially colors the hearing ahead.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yeah, I'm assuming that there is a plan. There is a social media plan. I have a social media plan for my podcast network, so I can't imagine that the committee wouldn't also have one. So thank you so much. I need everyone to go and Google. The January 6th committee releases footage of tour led by Georgia Republican Day before the attack on the US Capitol by Adam Klasfeld in law and crime. That's a really incredible thing to follow and follow adamsfeldreports on Twitter. You will not be sorry. I Appreciate your time today, my friend.

[Adam Klasfeld]

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Welcome back. It's time for the good news.

[Adam Klasfeld]

Who likes good news, everyone?

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Then good news, everyone. Good news, good news. And if you have good news, confessions. Corrections. What the mutt? Find the cat Messed up song lyrics. Misheard song lyrics. Anything you want to send us? Halloween pictures? Pictures of your pod pets? Whatever you want to send, you can do it by going to DailyBeansPod.com and clicking on Contact. Dana, I'm going to kick us off with a submission from Christine. No pronouns given beautiful women. When discussing reproductive rights, please consider using more precise language. Pro forced pregnancy or pro forced birth places the focus on the pregnant person's body being hijacked. Similarly, the 14th amendment is the citizen when born amendment and the second amendment is the militia amendment. As a community college professor, I also insist that active shooter drills are called practice dying. It matters what we call a thing. It matters even more when the speaker is worth listening to, such as our dearest Leguminati Podpet tax. This forever tiny rescue is Abby. Oh, after soccer star Abby Wambach with one of my metal sculptures, Diptych of gold of old gears. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And thank you, Christine.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

What a great picture.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

I am going to do my best, Christine, but that is very, very, very difficult sometimes. But I do understand. As you know, I've talked about the importance of language and, you know, like, discussions Dana, you and I have had with Mary Trump about not being afraid to use the F word, fascism. And so, you know, I'll do my best. A lot of times we are quoting other reporters, but I'll try to make that known a little more often. And I appreciate the input.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Yeah, I'm not sure if it was the same writer, but someone sent me a message and I'd have to go back and look at the name so I would Keep them anonymous anyway, but it sounds familiar. And when we were using the term homophobic there was suggested and I believe it was to use anti gay or anti lgbtq because they're not homophobic. They're just assholes. No one's afraid.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

They're not scared.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Right, Exactly. So I have a feeling it might be the same amazing human. And we appreciate the feedback for sure.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Unless they're scared of their fact that they're gay.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

That's probably. That's internalized homophobia for sure. This is from Pam Pronoun. She and her hello Beans friends. I don't know how it took me so long to find your podcast, but so glad I did. I look forward to every day to listening. I just wanted to take the time to say thank you for being you. I love to listen to AG and DG share the daily news. And the good news. When Covid first hit, my wife and I thought about adopting another dog. We have two rescues already. We decided rather than rescue another, we would help many others to be rescued. We started working with Underdogs Rock Rescue fostering dogs to help them find forever homes. I'm grateful my wife works from home, so we are able to do this. We have nine fosters right now that have. Oh, we have nine fosters now that have found their fur ever homes. Very cute. With the forever, it has been very hard to let them go because we fall in love with them all. But we are so happy to help them find their people. I'm attaching photos of our own rescues, Ladybug and Bella, 5 and 6 respectively. Can you guess their breeds? Thank you for being a breath of fresh air in my day, Pam. Thank you so much.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

This looks like a vizsla. Vizsla Chihuahua. Beagle Chihuahua.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Oh, there's a corg.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

There's a Corgi in there for sure.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Oh, my God. The corgi is cute. Oh, it looks like a Corgi shepherd mix.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

I know, right?

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

And a Pitbull Chihuahua.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Pit Bull Dachshund. I do. That's amazing.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

The third picture changed everything for us.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

It's a wiener pit. Oh, we've got answers. Oh, okay, cool.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Ladybug is a Pitbull Chihuahua. We were right.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

And Belle is a Corgi shepherd mix. This is the first guess the mutt we've ever gotten 100% on.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

I mean, it was sort of easier, but I'm still proud of it.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Picture made all the difference.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

We didn't even throw in chow chow this time because we knew better.

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Amazing. Amazing. Well done. My friend. I'm gonna grab the next two here. Kathleen pronouns she and her. Hey, my favorite explainers and most excellent beans queens. I just dropped to offer my find the cat not a broomstick. But does Stella have murder on her mind? Yes, Stella does. Look at that. That's awesome. And very, very cool dinette, by the way.

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I was gonna say, I love mid century modern.

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Me too. And from Barbie, I'm a listener since the early MSW days. Here's what my border collie Edith thinks of right wingers.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

That is a good eye roll right

[AG (Allison Gill)]

there and then the yawn at the end.

[Adam Klasfeld]

I love it.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

So great.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

That was a short. That's okay. That was a short and sweet good news segment. I loved it.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Yes. Please send in more photos and if you have wiener pits or chihuahua pits or corgi Shepherd. Oh my God, what a great guest that was.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Right. Thank you.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Anything you want to send into us? If you're fostering, if you've got adoptable pets in your area that need homes, you can send those in for pet tax too. We accept that. And that's. That's it for today. From dc, DC and la.

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

Yeah, DC and la. We are bicoastal.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

Do you have any final thoughts?

[DG (Dana Goldberg)]

I do not just send love to everybody.

[AG (Allison Gill)]

I also send love to everybody. And until tomorrow, it's going to be an interesting day. Everyone, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health, and vote blue over Q. I've been AG and I've been dg and them's the beans.

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