Podcast Summary: The Daily Beans – "Refried Beans | Fit For History (feat. Adam Klasfeld)" | June 13, 2022 | Released June 14, 2025

Host: Alison Gill
Guest: Adam Klasfeld, Host of the Objections podcast and writer for Law & Crime

Introduction

In this special episode of Refried Beans, a retrospective edition of The Daily Beans podcast, host Alison Gill delves into significant events and discussions from June 13, 2022. Alison navigates through a range of pressing topics, including the January 6th Committee hearings, ethical charges against Rudy Giuliani, arrests of white supremacists in Idaho, and a landmark bipartisan agreement on gun legislation. The episode also features an insightful conversation with Adam Klasfeld about Representative Scott Perry’s potential pardon request.

January 6th Committee Hearings

Peak Moment:

• Alison Gill shares her perspective on the January 6th Committee’s hearings, highlighting their significant viewership of over 20 million, comparable to a typical Sunday Night Football game, surpassing usual congressional hearing ratings.

Key Highlights:

• Bennie Thompson’s Statement: The committee chair declared, “January 6th was the culmination of an attempted coup” (00:35), emphasizing the gravity of the events over softer terms like "riot."

• Liz Cheney’s Testimony: Cheney criticized Donald Trump’s misleading statements regarding the National Guard, explicitly calling out false claims without resorting to euphemistic language.

• Bill Barr’s Deposition: Alison notes Bill Barr’s candid testimony where he bluntly stated, “...the claims about voter fraud were bullshit” (10:15), marking a pivotal moment in the hearings.

• Mark Milley’s Testimony: Milley revealed that the only communication from Trump’s side during the January 6th crisis was from Mark Meadows, focused on political spin rather than resolving the situation (15:30).

• Capitol Police Officer Caroline Edwards: The harrowing account of Officer Edwards, one of the first injured during the assault, underscores the personal toll of the events (18:45).

Upcoming Second Hearing:

• Alison anticipates the second hearing, slated for the same day at 10:00 AM Eastern Time, featuring testimonies from key figures like Bill Stepien, Chris Stirewald, Benjamin Ginsburg, BJ Pack, and Al Schmidt.

Exclusive Report: Enrique Tarrio’s Phone Usage

Alison provides an exclusive insight into Enrique Tarrio’s phone activities on January 6th:

• Use of Amy Harris’s Phone: Tarrio utilized his girlfriend Amy Harris’s phone during a critical meeting with Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes (20:10).

• Post-Hearing Actions: After his phone was confiscated by law enforcement on January 4th, Tarrio purchased a new phone around 8:30 PM to communicate with the Ministry of Self Defense (MoSD) chat group.

• Text Exchanges: Evidence points to Tarrio’s text exchange with Proud Boy Bertino on January 6th, indicating possible coordination (21:05).

• Amy Harris’s Involvement: Harris’s lawsuit to prevent the committee from accessing her phone records suggests deeper involvement, hinting at potential revelations in upcoming hearings.

News Highlights

1. Jenny Thomas’s Emails to Arizona Lawmakers:

   • Expansion of the ‘Stop the Steal’ Movement: New revelations show Jenny Thomas sent 27 additional emails to Arizona lawmakers, urging them to support fraudulent Trump electors through the freeroutes platform (14:50).
   • Key Recipients: Emails targeted more than half of Arizona’s Republican state legislators, including Rep. Anthony Kern and Rep. Louie Gohmert, aligning them with the efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

2. Rudy Giuliani Faces Ethics Charges:

   • DC Bar Charges: Rudy Giuliani is charged by the DC Bar for “bringing a proceeding without a non-frivolous basis” and “engaging in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice” related to his post-election fraud claims (17:30).
   • Impact on Legal Career: This follows his suspension by the New York Bar, further jeopardizing his ability to practice law.

3. Arrests of White Supremacists in Idaho:

   • Planned Riot at Pride Event: Authorities arrested 31 individuals affiliated with Patriot Front, including founder Thomas Ryan Rousseau, for planning a riot at a Pride event in Coeur d’Alene (19:45).
   • Details of the Arrest: The group was found with riot gear and operational plans, but no firearms were present at the scene.

4. Bipartisan Senators Reach Gun Legislation Framework:

   • Tentative Deal: A group of 20 senators (10 Democrats and 10 Republicans) agreed on a framework combining modest gun restrictions with substantial investments in mental health and school security (21:55).
   • Key Provisions: Includes federal grants for red flag laws, enhanced background checks for buyers aged 18-21, closing the boyfriend loophole, and establishing new federal offenses related to gun trafficking.
   • Statements: Senator Chris Murphy emphasized, “This is the moment where we break the logjam,” highlighting the significance of overcoming a 30-year legislative impasse.

Interview with Adam Klasfeld: Scott Perry’s Pardon Request

Discussion Points:

• Allegations Against Scott Perry: Alison and Adam discuss Rep. Scott Perry’s alleged request for a presidential pardon related to his involvement in attempts to install Jeffrey Clark in the Department of Justice (22:43).

• Legal Implications: Adam explains potential legal exposures, including conspiracy to defraud the U.S. Government and obstruction of justice (24:52).

• Committee Evidence: The January 6th Committee’s letters to Perry outline his role in the plot, with Adam highlighting how former federal prosecutors view these actions as potentially warranting a pardon (25:22).

• Potential Charges: While seditious conspiracy is a stretch, obstruction of justice remains a plausible charge given the efforts to undermine official proceedings without necessarily using force (27:05).

Adam’s Insight:

• Adam emphasizes the importance of the committee’s public record and urges listeners to review the evidence presented, suggesting that the forthcoming hearings may reveal more about Perry’s actions and the necessity for a pardon (29:25).

Good News Segment

Alison shares heartfelt listener submissions, celebrating personal milestones and delightful pet stories:

• Listener Achievements: Congratulations to a listener from North Carolina whose wife became an American citizen, highlighting the joy of new beginnings and the importance of community support.

• Pet Tales: Various listeners share charming photos and anecdotes about their pets, including boxers, shepherd mixes, Russian blues, and beloved cats and parrots, adding warmth and relatability to the episode.

• Community Engagement: Stories range from humorous pranks involving digital photo frames to uplifting moves to pastoral living, fostering a sense of connection among listeners.

Closing Remarks

Alison Gill wraps up the episode by teasing upcoming content, including a deeper dive into Rudy Giuliani’s ethics case and further developments from the January 6th Committee hearings. She also announces a meetup event for patrons in Washington, D.C., encouraging community interaction and continued support for the podcast.

Notable Quote:

• “This is how things go in a democracy. You do not get everything you want all at once. You can only get that in an autocracy.” (21:00) – Senator Chris Murphy, as referenced by Alison.

Conclusion

This episode of The Daily Beans offers a comprehensive overview of critical political events, exclusive investigative reporting, and engaging discussions with legal experts. Alison Gill effectively balances hard-hitting news with personal stories, ensuring listeners stay informed and connected. The inclusion of notable quotes and timestamps enriches the narrative, providing clear insights into the unfolding political landscape.

Timestamps:

• [00:00] – Episode Introduction
• [00:35] – January 6th Committee Hearing Start
• [10:15] – Bill Barr’s Deposition
• [15:30] – Mark Milley’s Testimony
• [17:30] – Rudy Giuliani Ethics Charges
• [18:45] – Officer Caroline Edwards’ Testimony
• [19:45] – Idaho White Supremacist Arrests
• [21:00] – Senator Chris Murphy’s Statement
• [21:55] – Gun Legislation Framework
• [22:43] – Interview with Adam Klasfeld
• [24:52] – Scott Perry’s Pardon Discussion
• [25:22] – Legal Implications of Perry’s Actions
• [27:05] – Potential Charges Explained
• [29:25] – Committee Evidence and Future Hearings
• [33:32] – Good News Submissions

For more detailed information, listeners are encouraged to tune into the full episode.