Refried Beans | Urgent Profanity (feat. Katie Phang) | 5/6/2025

Summary

The Daily Beans – “Refried Beans | Urgent Profanity” (feat. Katie Phang)

Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2025 (Rebroadcast May 10, 2026)
Hosts: Allison Gill & Dana Goldberg
Guest: Katie Phang

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of The Daily Beans, part of their “Refried Beans” series, revisits a broadcast from May 2025 to provide “days gone by” perspective on progressive news, legal battles, and social justice. Allison Gill and Dana Goldberg deliver current events with trademark sarcasm, humor, and irreverence. Topics include anti-trans legislation, LGBTQ rights, civil service upheaval under the Trump administration, attacks on independent journalism, and the impact of authentic, independent media. Later, legal analyst and former MSNBC anchor Katie Phang joins to discuss leaving mainstream media, fighting for marginalized communities, and the challenges and rewards of indie journalism in a critical political moment.

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Key News & Discussion Highlights

1. Legislative & Political News

• Arizona Governor Vetoes Anti-Trans Bills

  • Gov. Katie Hobbs vetoed three anti-trans bills:
    • Ban on updating gender markers on birth certificates
    • Restrictions on trans people in higher education and workplaces
  • Quote, Dana Goldberg (18:30):
    “Transgender people are not a threat to society. There’s no reason to target them like this.”
  • Analysis: These vetoes protect LGBTQ rights and demonstrate the importance of gubernatorial power against legislative attacks. Hobbs stands as a “final line of defense.”

• Pittsburgh Drag Show Raided by Police

  • During a drag event at LGBTQ venue P Town Bar, 20 police officers in bulletproof vests conducted a “compliance check,” forcing performers and patrons outside (13:17).
  • Quote, Indica, Drag Artist (14:11):
    “This is why queer people have got to stick together in 2025. Make some noise for the queer people…”
  • Takeaway: The community responded with creative resistance—singing and sidewalk performing—demonstrating solidarity and protest.

• Trump Administration Dismantles Agencies & Restores Student Loan Collections

  • Lawsuit by 20 state AGs (incl. NY’s Letitia James) challenges the attempt to cut HHS agencies and fire 20,000 employees (9:02).
  • Trump resumes student loan collections: wage garnishments, tax refund confiscations, and federal benefit withholdings for defaulted borrowers will begin (10:15).
  • Quote, Allison Gill (11:08):
    “To go from forbearance or putting off paying back… to being thrown into collections… He’s not concerned at all with what the voters think of him.”

• Security & Compliance App Breach

  • Telemessage, used by high-level officials like Mike Waltz, was hacked and all services are suspended for cybersecurity review (12:32).

• Brian Kemp Not Running for Senate

  • Popular GA governor Brian Kemp will NOT challenge Democrat Jon Ossoff in 2026 (15:40).
  • Host reaction: Relieved that potential rival Marjorie Taylor Greene would be easier to defeat statewide.

2. Media Integrity & Independent Journalism

• Pulitzer Wins for Journalists and Cartoonists

  • Washington Post’s controversial cartoonist, who quit after a Trump criticism cartoon was pulled, won a Pulitzer. The Post claimed credit despite pulling the work (5:29).
  • Quote, Dana Goldberg (5:29):
    “Hell, yes.”
  • ProPublica also gained recognition for groundbreaking reporting on abortion debates and maternal health.

• Voice of America Litigation

  • After a Trump-friendly panel’s ruling, Voice of America legal staff request a rehearing en banc to protect the agency from dismantling (6:34).

3. The “Good Trouble” Segments & Listener Action

• Activism “Good Trouble” Highlights
  • Listener “Joanna” reports suspicious CDC-style phone calls about child vaccination status—hosts encourage “flooding” the line with outlandish responses to resist data abuse (22:04).
  • Listeners are celebrated for swamping an administration Google Drive with protest videos, forcing the drive to go private (21:17).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Trump’s Reality Distortion (John Oliver Interview Reference):
  Allison Gill (2:44):
  “Trump trying to convince that one guy… that the MS.13 tattooed on Franco Garcia’s knuckles was real.”

  Dana Goldberg (3:10):
  “Terry, Terry, you’re being nasty… This is your big break, Terry.”

• On Student Loans Restart:
  Dana Goldberg (10:15):
  “The Trump administration is starting to pull millions of defaulted student loan borrowers into collections Monday and threatening to confiscate their wages, tax refunds, and federal benefits.”

• On the Power of Governors:
  Dana Goldberg (20:04):
  “Those governors matter because they stop this bullshit legislation that’s below them. 100%.”

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Interview with Katie Phang (24:18—45:59)

1. Independence from Mainstream Media

• Phang on Leaving MSNBC (27:00):

  “There is an urgency that needs to be met. We need to meet the urgency of the moment with the urgency of the message… now I can go and I can hang out with you and I can do all these other things and I could be unabashedly me, warts and all…”

• On Authenticity in Law & Media (29:10):

  “You need to be authentically with me as I am with you. And we’ll… fight together.”

• On Platforming Marginalized Voices (37:08):

  “That platforming and amplifying those voices… it just filled my heart… it is so important that we aren’t checking our authentic selves at the door.”

2. Ashley Babbitt Settlement Outrage

• Phang (31:21):

  “I was particularly irate about it. Just the idea that you could commit a crime—Ashley Babbitt, she died due to her own actions… the DOJ kisses [Trump’s] ass… now we’re going to be paying the family of Ashley Babbitt… it drives me nuts…”

• Allison Gill (33:27):

  “It’s infuriating that it’s our taxpayer dollars that are paying for this kind of thing.”

3. Civil Rights Division & Justice in Peril

• On DOJ Civil Rights Gutting (34:09):

  “Harmeet Dhillon… now saying that the Civil Rights Division is dedicated to the civil rights of basically white straight men.”

• Phang (35:00):

  “We have to truly fend for ourselves now… gives such a horrible ominous feeling of lawlessness… all of this bad stuff is transpiring under the moniker of the Department of Justice.”

4. Representation, Women Supporting Women, and Media’s Future

• Phang (37:47):

  “Feeling alone is the worst feeling… I want people to know that here’s all of it. Enjoy it.”

• Gill (40:03):

  “I honestly think that corporate media is on the decline… I think this is actually, for you, going to be a step up and a step out.”

• On Allyship & Collaboration (43:23):

  “What I appreciate the most about you… is you didn’t pull the ladder up behind you as you’ve gone up.”

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Important Timestamps

• [01:30] – News rundown: anti-trans bills; drag show raid; Voice of America; student loans; hacking scandal
• [06:34] – Legal battle over Voice of America
• [13:17] – Pittsburgh drag show raid and queer resistance
• [18:30] – Arizona anti-trans bills vetoed
• [24:18] – Interview with Katie Phang begins
• [31:21] – Ashley Babbitt settlement discussion
• [35:00] – DOJ Civil Rights Division rolling back protections
• [40:03] – Decline of corporate media, rise of independent voices
• [45:59] – Listener good news/pet segment, corrections, community shout-outs

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, unapologetically progressive, and fast-paced
• Frequent use of humor and profanity (e.g., “urgent profanity,” “leave them the fuck alone”)
• Deep sense of solidarity—emphasizing resistance, activism, and community care

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Final Thoughts & Call to Action

• Support independent journalism—platforming marginalized voices is more important than ever.
• Listeners are encouraged to engage in “good trouble” and activism, including creative responses to government overreach and data abuse.
• Representation in media, politics, and law—especially by women and minorities—is indispensable for social justice.
• Subscribe to Katie Phang’s “Law and Disorder” on Substack, and look for her new ventures on YouTube and with the Midas Network.

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For listeners who value news with snark, community, and critical engagement, this episode captures both the urgency and the resilience of the progressive movement. The collaboration and mutual uplift among women in media take center stage, reinforced by practical calls to activism and laughter in the face of adversity.

Transcript

[Podcast Host Intro]

History is messy. It's weird, wild, and anything but boring. Rainy Day Rabbit Holes is a history podcast about unhinged stories that make you stop and ask, wait, is this real life? From crazy disasters and tasty scandals to enlightening and surprising, heartwarming tales, we explore the moments where people behave badly and sometimes beautifully. We've got naughty politicians, cultural chaos, and a deep love for the Pacific Northwest, including Bigfoot. It's thoughtful, irreverent, occasionally serious, and always entertaining. Let's fall down the rabbit hole.

[Allison Gill]

MSW Media. MSW Media. Hey, everybody, it's Ag. And welcome to Refried Beans, where we play an episode of the Daily Beans podcast from the same week either one, two or three years ago, so we can see how far we've come. So please enjoy this episode from days gone by and note the date in the intro.

[Dana Goldberg]

Refried beans. I like refried beans.

[Allison Gill]

That's why I want to try fried beans, because maybe they're just as good

[Dana Goldberg]

and we're wasting time.

[Allison Gill]

Hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Tuesday, May 6, 2025. Today, Governor Katie Hobbs has vetoed three anti trans bills in Arizona. 20 cops raided a drag show at an LGBTQ+ bar in Pittsburgh. The Trump administration has dismantled a gun violence victim memorial at ATF 20. State attorneys general are suing the Trump regime to restore health agencies. Brian Kemp says he will not run for Senate in 2026. Yay. The third party messaging app used by Mike Waltz was suspended after being hacked. Lawyers for the Voice of America, including Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, are asking for a rehearing en banc after a three judge panel upheld Trump's executive order. And Trump has resumed student loan payments starting today, promising to confiscate your tax refunds, federal benefits, and even your wages. I'm Alison Gill.

[Dana Goldberg]

And I'm Dana Goldberg.

[Allison Gill]

Hey, Dana. Happy Tuesday to you, my friend.

[Dana Goldberg]

Happy Tuesday to you. My disdain for this administration continues to rise exponentially every time I hear this shit.

[Allison Gill]

It's. I can't. Yeah, and you know what? I just. I just finished watching a video of John Oliver, you know, last week. Tonight, one of the best shows ever.

[Dana Goldberg]

Brilliant.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. Showing the full 90 second clip of Trump trying to convince that one guy who was interviewing him that the MS.13 tattooed on Franco Garcia's knuckles was real.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah.

[Allison Gill]

And the interviewer was like, no, it's, you know, they were. They were trying to show that the marijuana leaf was the M and the cross was the I. But, you know, let's just move on. And Trump's like, no, Terry, listen, listen,

[Dana Goldberg]

Terry, Terry, you're being nasty. No one knows who you are. This is your big bake. Terry, I didn't know who you were before this. And I'm not making this up. You all, by the way. I'm not. You know how Trump always says those things, literally in the interview. No one knew who you. I was giving you your brick bake. Terry, I didn't know who you were before this.

[Allison Gill]

I never heard of you before. But Terry. And he's like, okay, look, agree to disagree. Let's move on to Ukraine. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Dana Goldberg]

Terry,

[Allison Gill]

it's MS.3. It was right there on his knuckle. He's like, no, no, no, that's not. They, like, they showed a picture of his hand in right now in El Salvador. And it doesn't have that on there. Terry, look, it's on there. It's just the most.

[Dana Goldberg]

It is. It's pathetic. It's pathetic. It is bizarre. And I'm trying to figure out if the people around him are telling him one thing and he is not. He's regurgitating what they're telling him, or if he actually believes that that is not Photoshopped. I cannot figure it out if he's perpetuating the lie that they keep pushing and he has to push it, or if they're really trolling him and being like, just tell. Just tell Donald that this is a real photo. And Donald's like, it's a real photo, Terry. I don't know what to tell you. It's a real photo.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. Or even maybe Stephen Miller was like, look, the marijuana is for M and the cross is for I and the skull is for three. And maybe Donald Trump just wasn't listening and decided that the Helvetica MS.13 was actually tattooed on this guy.

[Dana Goldberg]

Seriously, the font. The font just screams gang member. It really does. Comic Sans. I mean, they're very dangerous people.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, yeah. Remember dad? He would put all of his court filings in Comic Sans. Good times. I'm going to be joined later in the show by Katie Fang, who I love so awesome. What an incredible, incredible human being. And she's got her new substack and she's writing under law and disorder. You should subscribe to that. You know, she's former MSNBC host. We talk about that and her leaving msnbc. And it's a. A great interview, so I hope that you enjoy it. And then this is cool. Remember the cartoonist who drew the cartoon for the Washington Post of, like, Bezos and everybody like kneeling in front of a giant statue of Trump.

[Dana Goldberg]

And then they pulled it and they walked and that person quit.

[Allison Gill]

Yes. And they pulled it and. Yeah, exactly. Well, she won a Pulitzer.

[Dana Goldberg]

Hell, yes.

[Allison Gill]

And the Washington Post is claiming credit for it.

[Dana Goldberg]

No.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, they're. They're out all over social media. Our editorial cartoonist. And tell. Tell me.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, my God. Yeah, that sounds right.

[Allison Gill]

Sounds about right. Yeah. Yeah, pull. If you still subscribe to Washington Post, pull that. Spend three bucks a month and get our show ad free.

[Dana Goldberg]

Seriously.

[Allison Gill]

Also, ProPublica one for you. Remember all those stories we covered that they.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah.

[Allison Gill]

Did. About mothers just, you know, in, in the abortion debate. Just absolutely incredible journalism. So they won a couple Pulitzers as well, so congrats to them. I love to see independent journalists winning these Pulitzers.

[Dana Goldberg]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Independent journalism. We need it more than ever.

[Allison Gill]

And we won the Pulitzer for the Taint of the Week segment.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yes, we did. I know that's shocking to y', all, but, yeah, we got. We, we. We came in right in the middle there.

[Allison Gill]

No, we, we didn't.

[Dana Goldberg]

Everyone's like, really? No, we absolutely did not win a answer.

[Allison Gill]

100% not. Thank you, though. But we do read the news every day. So let's do that. Let's. Let's get to the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. Hey, Dana, remember just yesterday when I said I'd update you on whether Voice of America would ask for a rehearing on bonk at the D.C. circuit Court of Appeals after the three judge panel that had two Trump appointees on it allowed Trump to move forward. Yeah. With a dismantling of Voice of America? Well, they did. They just filed for the rehearing on Bonk. So I'll let you know what the full panel of judges has to say about it when they decide. And my beans, my space beans are that they will overTurn what that three judge panel did and continue to block the dismantling of Voice of America.

[Dana Goldberg]

But we'll see.

[Allison Gill]

We'll let you know.

[Dana Goldberg]

All right, thank you. And from npr, because they're still putting out news, an exhibit showing victims of gun violence. This is horrible. It's been taken down at the headquarters of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives at the atf. And this is what the Justice Department confirmed. Man, these people are awful. The exhibit showed the portraits of 120 people killed from gun violence. A digital kiosk with biographies of each person was also part of the exhibit. An online version has also been taken down. The ATF enforces federal gun laws and is tasked with regulating the firearms industry. It is within the Department of Justice. Man Pam Bondi. In a statement to NPR on Sunday, a DOJ spokesperson suggested it will still honor victims in other ways, but not only of gun violence. Quote, the ATF will continue to honor the memory of all victims of violent crimes while at the same time preserving the rights of law abiding Americans. How much you want to bet they put a shrine up of Ashley Babbitt?

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. Or just white Christian men who, you know, haven't quite yet been hired at the Pentagon.

[Dana Goldberg]

Possibly faces of gun violence, honored victims of mass shootings, school shootings, as well as victims of domestic violence, people who have died by suicide and other victims of gun violence. Portraits of law enforcement officers killed by gun violence. Those were also part of the exhibit. So all these people saying they back the blue. I guess not here, no.

[Allison Gill]

And you know, when Donald Trump says he doesn't know if he has to uphold the Constitution, that includes the second Amendment.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah.

[Allison Gill]

So I'm not quite sure why all the 2A people, all the amosexuals aren't up in arms literally, about about this. But, well, I do know why. Anyway, Next up from NBC, 20 attorneys general, including the attorneys general of New York, California, Colorado and Michigan, have sued the Trump administration on Monday over its firings and the dismantling of agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services. The lawsuit, led by New York Attorney General Letitia James Badass, alleges that the administration violated hundreds of laws. Hundreds. And bypassed congressional authority by endeavoring to consolidate the number of HHS agencies from 28 to 15 and initiating layoffs of around 20,000 employees. James called the terminations dangerous, cruel and illegal during a press conference Monday, went on to say, this administration is not streamlining the federal government, they're sabotaging it. When you fire the scientists who research infectious disease, silence the doctors who care for pregnant people and shut down the programs that help firefighters and minors breathe or children thrive, you aren't making America healthy. You're putting countless lives at risk. Unquote.

[Dana Goldberg]

That's quite the quote.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah.

[Dana Goldberg]

All right, this one's from the Wall Street Journal, everyone. The Trump administration is starting to pull millions of defaulted student loan borrowers into coll elections Monday and threatening to confiscate their wages, tax refunds and federal benefits. Yeah, there are some 5 million borrowers, by the way, whose loans are in default, many of whom haven't made regular payments since the pandemic. Millions more. They're on the cusp of default. That's according to The Education Department, which apparently they're keeping track of that now. Those who haven't made payments in at least nine months are considered in default and face the most imminent threat of garnish wages. This is all from the Department of Education. The agency said that on Monday it's going to start putting borrowers into collections. That starts a clock until the department may start withholding federal benefits such as tax refunds, Social Security checks, as well as garnishing wages. The first collection measures, those could start within 30 days.

[Allison Gill]

Geez. I mean, to go from, you know, forbearance or, you know, putting off your paying back while waiting for the Department of Education under Joe Biden to forgive your student debt to being thrown into collections and having your wages garnished. I mean.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yep.

[Allison Gill]

Anyway, you know, he's not trying to get votes at this point.

[Dana Goldberg]

No.

[Allison Gill]

He didn't give a no. Whether he thinks he's going to stay in the White House, take it by force or keep it by force or run for a third term or not run at all. He's. He's not concerned at all with what the voters think of him. Next up from NBC, Telemessage. That's the app that President Trump's former National Security advisor, Mike Waltz, appeared to use to archive his group chats, has suspended all services. The app is shut down after hackers claim to have stolen files from it. A spokesperson for Smarsh, the company that owns telemessage, said Monday, I know of Smarsh working with the Pentagon. That said Monday the company, quote, is investigating a potential security incident. Upon detection, we acted quickly to contain it and engaged in an an external cybersecurity firm to support our investigation. Out of an abundance of caution, all telemessage services have been temporarily suspended. That's what the spokesperson said. The app, which uses encryption technology similar to that of Signal, but also offers government agencies and companies a way to back up copies of chats for compliance purposes, first came under public scrutiny after Waltz appeared to be using it during a Cabinet meeting last week. So it was hacked, like, and this is what the head of a National Security Council is using to communicate.

[Dana Goldberg]

I mean, I do feel like there's people out there being like, oh, you think this is safe? Let me show you. It's not, and I'll take it. I mean, embarrass the guy. There's no reason they should be using these things for classified information.

[Allison Gill]

Right. And Global X was hacked, too. The airline that's been carrying people to El Salvador, for example, illegally deporting them. They've also been hacked. So feel safe? Do you feel safe yet? I feel safe.

[Dana Goldberg]

God, I hate even reporting this next story because it's a little bit terrifying. Because history repeats itself. Lgbtq. This is from the LGBTQ Nation. In a moment of resistance, there was a. In Queer Solidarity, a drag show. It went on despite patrons and performers being knocked out of a bar by 20 police officers in bulletproof vests. My God. Police rated Pittsburgh LGBTQ venue is called P Town Bar. On Friday, in the middle of a drag event, drag artist Indica was performing alongside transmodel and nightlife legend Amanda Lepore when police began to gather in the back of the establishment. This is from Kuburg. This is what they reported. When Indica finished her rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody, police directed patrons to exit the bar, but did not explain why beyond saying it was a compliance check. And if I remember correctly, it was raining outside when they did this. It was, and I quote, we waited 30 minutes outside for them to inspect every crevice. This is what Indica told Kuberg. But the patrons and the performers, they refused to let the cops quash their spirit, and instead, they created their own public performance space. I love the queers. Video captured during the wait shows. The crowd belting Chapel Roan's Pink Pony Club while Indica dances up and down the sidewalks, collecting tips, by the way, because that's what you do at a drag show. Tip the drag queens. And I quote, guess what, divas. This is what she said when the performance ended. She said, this is why queer people have got to stick the together in 2025. Make some noise for the queer people in your. Everybody. This is what the crowd. And they cheered. Now, Kubrick described the moment as one of resistance, solidarity, and improvisational beauty, and one that, quote, reminded everyone that that drag isn't just entertainment, it's political. And when the music stops, the queens don't. I love my community.

[Allison Gill]

They were singing Pink Pony Club while she danced. I love it. That's terrifying, though. Yeah. A raid that.

[Dana Goldberg]

That. That's the terrifying part of the story, that these cops think they can just come in and do this.

[Allison Gill]

And we know what this is about. This is about intimidation.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yep.

[Allison Gill]

This is all about scaring people in the LGBTQ+ community. And it seems like Indica and the crowd there saying, it's not going to work with us.

[Dana Goldberg]

Nope. Bricks were thrown.

[Allison Gill]

All right, some good news from the Times. Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia has decided against running for Senate in 2026, robbing Republicans of their top potential candidate against Senator John Ossoff, who is seen as the chamber's most vulnerable Democrat on the ballot next year, well, he was seen as the most vulnerable Democrat on the ballot next year. Kemp is a popular two term governor who won reelection in 2022 despite a primary challenge fueled by President Trump, who stewed publicly over Kemp's refusal to indulge his false claims that the 20 fraudulent top Republicans had nonetheless sought to woo Mr. Kemp into the Senate race. With Senators John Thune, the majority leader, and Tim Scott, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, making a recent visit to him, polls had shown he would have been a formidable challenger to Mr. Ossoff, who narrowly won election in 2020. We remember that night.

[Dana Goldberg]

Now, this is what scares me. With Kemp not running, that leaves room for who?

[Allison Gill]

That doesn't scare me. That makes me happy.

[Dana Goldberg]

I mean, I, with everything, all the squirreliness going on with elections though. Marjorie Taylor Greene, I don't want her anywhere near the fucking Senate. But I think she's gonna, I think they're gonna put her up.

[Allison Gill]

She's gonna be way easier to beat than pretty much any 100%. Now she can, she can continue, you know, continue to win handily. Her. In her House district, in her very, very, very, very red.

[Dana Goldberg]

You're right. Yeah. You know what? Thank you, thank you for saying that.

[Allison Gill]

I feel a little bit better when she goes statewide. She'. Creamed. She's Trump. She's by Trump, she's super Trump. And Trump is not very popular. Yeah. So.

[Dana Goldberg]

All right. Okay. I'll breathe a little easier.

[Katie Fang]

Yeah.

[Dana Goldberg]

We've got more good news.

[Allison Gill]

Good thing, because, because Kemp was going to be real, real hard to beat.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah, I love this. The source for this next one, this is from Aaron, reads Aaron in the morning. Aaron, she's incredible. If you're not familiar, she's the one that gave us the trans Girl Scout list so you could go buy cookies. She's. She's amazing. On Friday, Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs vetoed three anti transgender bills that had cleared the state's Republican controlled legislature. That's why voting matters. One of the measures would have prohibited transgender individuals from updating the gender marker on their birth certificates, a process already mired in legal bureaucratic hurdles due to existing law. The other two bills, they targeted trans people in higher education and workplaces, continuing a broader pattern of attempts to restrict their rights in public life. Hobbs, who has positioned herself as a consistent and vocal opponent of the anti transgender agenda pushed by the right, has repeatedly used her veto authority to block similar efforts throughout her time in office, and I'm so glad she has. Earlier this year, Hobbs also VetoeD House Bill 2062, one of the most sweeping anti transgender proposals introduced in that state. The legislation would have effectively erased transgender people from legal recognition in Arizona. Had it become law, it likely would have triggered bans on gender marker changes for driver's licenses, rolled back existing non discrimination protections, and set the stage for broader legal exclusions. While Republicans in Arizona have remained unified in their push to pass anti transgender legislation, Governor Katie Hobbs has consistently used her veto power to halt those efforts at the finish line. Since taking office, she has positioned herself as a final line of defense against a legislative agenda aimed squarely. Squarely at rolling back LGBTQ rights. And this year, none of those bills will become law. Republicans do not have the votes necessary to override her vetoes. That's what I wanted to get to. It is just fucking ridiculous. There is no reason to do this. Transgender people are not a threat to society. There's no reason to target them like this. I just.

[Allison Gill]

It's not even. They.

[Dana Goldberg]

They're not even talking about sports. And you know how I feel about that. That should be off the table as well. This is just cruelty, and it's just for votes. It's just to get people riled up. Leave them the fuck alone. Leave my friends and family the fuck alone.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, and it's not working. We saw what happened during those two floor speeches in Montana. The Republicans in Montana legislature were like, come on, what the fuck are we even doing?

[Dana Goldberg]

Yep. And I will say, oh, go ahead, Ag.

[Allison Gill]

No, I just. I appreciate the pushback, and it's working.

[Dana Goldberg]

And if you go down to Florida, the same thing's happening, except it's Equality Florida that has helped to defeat all of those bills that are putting forth by their legislature. We're fighting back, and it matters. And it matters. So make sure, you know, in 2026 or when we go to these midterms, those governors matter because they stop this bullshit legislation that's below them 100%.

[Allison Gill]

Hundred percent. A little bit of breaking news. It looks like Hegseth, our good friend Kegseth.

[Dana Goldberg]

What do you do this time?

[Allison Gill]

More tea. The Wall Street Journal is saying he had at least a dozen signal chats that he himself initiated about military plans.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, my God. We just fire this guy using his

[Allison Gill]

personal phone on a dirty Internet line in the Pentagon. Unsecured Internet line in the Pentagon.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, my God.

[Allison Gill]

It keeps getting worse. It keeps getting worse. We'll go into more detail on Tomorrow's cleanup on L45. And our good friend, lawyer Mark Zade, he's suing the Trump administration because he revoked, you know, Trump revoked his security clearance. Okay, so he's suing him, too.

[Dana Goldberg]

So good.

[Allison Gill]

100% behind good old Mark Zade there. I'm glad he's standing up. All right, we have some good trouble.

[Katie Fang]

What are you guys doing?

[Allison Gill]

All right, first of all, congratulations on yesterday's good trouble. Remember when we had you upload your own video to Super Cunt White House Faith Office Director's Google Drive? Well, it's been made private because they received tons and tons of videos with titles like Fuck, Fuck, Fuck, Fucked, which is an old Mueller she wrote thing. There was another video called Trump is a Crook. There's one called God Hates Republicans. Great videos, and they've been going through. I've been keeping my eye on that Google Drive. You can't. You can no longer just upload your video. You have to get permission first now. And they've been erasing all of those videos, like, one by one. So good job, everybody. Way to go.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, my God.

[Allison Gill]

Today's Good Trouble is from Joanna. Hi, Allison. I'm a daily listener to the beans. Love the good trouble. I've done many of the recommended actions. Thanks for the info on how to take some action. And in that vein, I have some good trouble. For the last three days, my husband has been receiving daily calls from a number in Atlanta, Georgia. The caller leaves a message paraphrasing here because he's deleted the messages. Quote, this call is from the Centers for Disease Control. Please call us back to let us know how many children you have between the ages of 6 and 17 in your home and their vaccination status. Hmm. We don't have kids, she says. My guess is this is one of the ways the First Felons Administration is weaponizing the data DOGE has stolen from all of us. So I'm sharing this to make others aware that it's happening. It seems very suspicious and might be a candidate for good trouble. We could call this number and tell them that we have, like, 100 kids distributed over that range, and we're not sure which ones we had vaccinated and which ones we didn't because there's just too many. Thanks for all you do. And thanks to Dana, too. Please keep the info coming, everybody. The phone number you can call to report your number of children and their vaccination status is area code 404-806-4811. That's 404-80648, 1 1. Go get into some good trouble, everybody. Stick around. We'll be right back with Katie Fang after these messages. We'll be right back.

[Podcast Host Intro]

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[Allison Gill]

MSW.

[Dana Goldberg]

Foreign.

[Allison Gill]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back. I'm really excited to be joined today by my good friend, longtime friend. We've been doing this for many, many, many years now. She's a legal and political analyst, lawyer. She has a new substack called Law and Disorder, which you must go subscribe to over on substack. And she's a former host of the Katie Fang show on msnbc. Please welcome Katie Fang. Hey, Katie.

[Katie Fang]

Hey, my friend. It's been a long time. But listen, the invitation to come and hang out with you, I'll take that any day and twice on Sunday. So thanks for the invite.

[Allison Gill]

Thank you. I need to put my. Hold on. I got to put on my Katie fan glasses. Hold on.

[Katie Fang]

Oh, my God. Wait, so here's the crazy shit. Oops. Am I allowed to say that? So I wear contacts, and now I have to wear reading glasses to actually see your beautiful face. And so they tried to get me to do these things called progressive contact lenses. And I told them, I said, look, when I run everybody over trying to drive with those things on, are you going to bail me out of jail? So I said, no, thank you. So I wear these glasses, and they've become a little bit of a. A little bit of a trademark now these days. But it's just that I can see everybody. So there you go.

[Allison Gill]

Wonderful. Well, I am so glad you're here, because. Who thunk?

[Katie Fang]

Oh, I know.

[Allison Gill]

First of all, when you and I. It was you and I and Natasha Bertrand at the miracle theater in D.C. 6.

[Katie Fang]

That was a night, wasn't it?

[Allison Gill]

Was it six. Six years ago?

[Katie Fang]

God, why does it feel like it was longer and yet just yesterday, right?

[Allison Gill]

I know. It could be 20 years ago. It could be a week ago. And we're backstage and we're like, all right, what are we going to talk about? We were doing a Muller. She Wrote live tour and we stopped in D.C. and we're like, we gotta get Katie Fang on. We went up to Philly and we had Asha Rangappa join us and who

[Katie Fang]

I just saw in D.C. a couple days ago. So there you go.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. And by the way, that was super fun because afterwards we all went out and there was like karaoke and wine and fries. It was fantastic. But those times seem quaint compared to what we're going through now. And I want to get into a little bit of what you cover over on Law and Disorder. Excellent name, by the way.

[Katie Fang]

Thank you.

[Allison Gill]

But first of all, let's talk about, you know, like free at last independent media. Katie Fang is on the loose. And I want you to talk a little bit about that. You've left msnbc and we covered that here on the Daily Beans in what we thought was a very poor choice by MSNBC to get rid of who they got rid of at that specific particular moment in time and in history. You know, when we pull back and look at it from a, you know, a 50,000 foot view. But talk a little bit about what it's been like so far to just be out there independent and doing exactly what you want to do.

[Katie Fang]

So it's me like you saw on tv, just a little spicier, but more accurately, with maybe a little bit more profanity. I mean, I have said this since I've left. I said it before I left, frankly. There is an urgency that needs to be met. We need to meet the urgency of the moment with the urgency of the message. And for me, it has been an incredibly freeing moment because one, just by virtue of the fact that the show, the Katie Feng show, was only on one day a week, there was a lot of shit I wanted to say for six days. And then I got to Saturday and then I always endeavored on the show to not regurgitate what you had maybe already hashed over during the week. And it wasn't hard to come up with the original concepts and content, but there was only 40 something minutes of live TV that you could do in one hour on cable. And so the conversations were necessary shortened. They were maybe about five, maybe six minutes if you're lucky. And I had to be very careful about the real estate that I had because there wasn't a lot of it. So the idea that I can go and do what I just affectionately started calling even yesterday a Fang File, like just a little video note on substack. And then I was still so angry about the Ashley Babbitt Settlement idea that I then wrote an entire post on Substack, kind of getting a little bit into the weeds about it. And just this idea that I can be what I call a free agent. Understandably, when you work in mainstream media and you're on a contract, you are exclusive to that particular outlet. And so I see and I hear and I watch everything that's happening. And this idea that I can now go out and I can hang out with you and I can do all these other things and I could be unabashedly me, warts and all, makes me feel good. Because the one thing I hear time and time again when I am out in public and I. And I cross paths with people from all different walks of life and from all different backgrounds is we're in it together. And if we're in it together, you need to be authentically with me as I am with you. And we'll. We'll kind of. We'll hit the streets together, and we'll. We'll fight together.

[Allison Gill]

And let's talk about that authenticity, because, you know, I've worked for. Before I started podcasting full time, I, you know, I was working for the federal government, had to be very. I remember, had to be very conscious of what I was saying, and. And. And very, you know, mindful of. Of. I couldn't. I didn't even use my real name.

[Katie Fang]

Yeah, your situation was definitely different.

[Allison Gill]

Yes, but it.

[Podcast Host Intro]

But it also.

[Allison Gill]

It is the same in some ways. And then when I was with a podcast network for a minute and then got out from under that and. And started the own. My own network, it was just. It was very freeing because there is a sense of. I think I spoke to a group of law students at Loyola, and they were like, what's the one piece of advice that you have? And I was like, well, I'm not a lawyer, but what I can tell you from being in the media, you're not.

[Katie Fang]

Wait, wait, you're not. Because I kind of feel like you are, but go ahead.

[Allison Gill]

Maybe by default. But I said, the most important advice I can give you is don't leave your authentic self at the door. Every. You know, everyone, I sit and I watch. What is it? Elle Woods, Legally Blonde. And she's like, you know, law is, you know, reason without passion or whatever the quote is. And I was like, I disagree. I think that you should bring yourself into your practice. I think it's very important not to check yourself at the door. And that's, I think, the same thing about media. And so that's why I'm so excited for, for what you're doing now. And let's, let's jump into it a little bit because you mentioned the Ashley Babbitt settlement. And, and tomorrow morning, I'm going to be recording our, my weekly podcast with Harry Dunn, and we're going to get his thoughts on this particular settlement in, you know, just on the heels of the Department of Justice saying that we should give back all of the money that the January Sixers had to pay in restitution back to the January Sixers. So let's talk about your piece a little bit about the Ashley Babbitt settlement, because it's fucking disgusting that, that this particular Department of Justice is making these deals with our taxpayer dollars for Ashley Babbitt, who broke the law.

[Katie Fang]

Yeah. So I was particularly irate about it. Just the idea that you could commit a crime. That person being Ashley Babbitt, she died due to her own actions. I mean, this is, you don't, you can't pussyfoot around the cause and effect. Right. It truly is the find out part of the fuck around part for Ashley Babbitt.

[Dana Goldberg]

It.

[Katie Fang]

But then the fact that her family sues, and I mentioned this in my substack post, quote, the United States of America. I'm sorry, last I checked, on January 6, you were trying to stop the certification of the Electoral college votes, which is the cornerstone of our electoral process when it comes to declaring the President of the United States, which, by the way, is of the United States of America. And so this idea that somebody had the cojones to want to do this, and, and the Biden doj, as I noted, appropriately defended against it. And I want to underscore the fact that the Capitol Police officer, this lieutenant who was involved in this officer involved shooting, he was cleared through two different investigations, one by Capitol Police and one by the United States Attorney's office. And so not only was he cleared, but one of the reports said that he was a hero that day because he saved so many lives. And look, don't take it from me. You could see it with your own freaking eyes when you saw what was happening that day. Right? So the idea that now just because Donald Trump is in office and the DOJ kisses his ass, the fact that now that we're going to be paying the family of Ashley Babbitt, her husband and the estate, her estate money drives me nuts. And then the only thing that really made me mad, too, was the fact that one of the co plaintiffs is Judicial Watch, which is Tom Fitton's Baby. And it's so far up Donald Trump's butt. And it just drives me nuts. It's like, what's your freaking part of this? Right? Like, it's just a slap in the face, not only for the rule of law, but it also, I think, sets a dangerous precedent for the next four years of who are we supposed to be righting wrongs and whose wrongs are we writing here? Because she screwed up, and I don't think that her family should get a penny for her loss.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, no, I agree. And it's, it's, it's infuriating that it's our taxpayer dollars that are paying for, for this kind of thing.

[Katie Fang]

And we don't even know what the amount is, by the way, yet. So she sued for 30 million, and I don't. Or family sued for 30 million. I have no idea what the actual settlement's gonna be.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, who knows? And, and we might not ever know, but with the, you know, with this particular Department of Justice and this particular administration, maybe they'll brag about it. And then, you know, Andy and I talked about this also on Unjustified, you know, bigger picture. DOJ gutting the Civil Rights Division. Harmeet Dhillon, who is now saying that the Civil Rights Division is dedicated to the civil rights of basically white straight men.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh.

[Katie Fang]

Remember, you had to be God fearing, too. You have to be a white Christian nationalist if you want to be able to get the protections of the Civil Rights department of the doj.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. So they've gutted that department. And I know so many lawyers from the Department of Justice that were working in the Civil Rights Division that are leaving or have left or been put on administration administrative leave. And then when they put them on administrative leave, they can't get another job because they're still technically being paid. Or they put them on leave without pay, and then their insurance lapse. I mean, lapses. It's like, it's. I'm almost kind of thankful the way that I was cleanly cut from the government by the first Trump administration because they didn't dick around with all this other that we're seeing now. And obviously it wasn't on as large of a scale, but I can't imagine what you must be thinking about what they're doing to the Civil Rights Division at the department.

[Katie Fang]

Well, I mean, we were already even in a good administration, laboring under attacks on civil rights and for all communities, not just the marginalized ones. The thing that I kind of noted the other day was that a woman and her daughters in Oklahoma City when they had the immigration raid, when they were executing a search warrant, and the actual, you know, subjects of the search warrant weren't even living there anymore, and they terrorized this poor woman and her daughters. And. And I said, don't expect Harvey Dillon's Department of Justice to help you in any way if you were to complain about your civil rights being violated by an abuse of the process by these cops. Right, but not to mention the fact that the U.S. marshal Service wasn't even president, even though they said that they were U.S. marshals that were there, which is a whole other, you know, can of worms for them. But this idea that we have to truly fend for ourselves now gives such a horrible, ominous feeling of lawlessness. And what's particularly kind of offensive is that all of this bad stuff is transpiring under the moniker of the Department of Justice. And people get mad sometimes when I say it's the Department of Injustice, but I'm not trying to be kitschy about it. I'm just telling you it truly is. So it's the rolling back of progress we've made. I mean, it's not just the Department of Justice. Right? I mean, Allison, it's everywhere. Everything that has been destroyed so far has been destroyed so cruelly and so effectively that my concern is we're never even going to realize the extent of it until, A, it's too late to fix, or B, years from now, we're still going to be picking up the pieces. And so that's why your voice, and hopefully mine, being added into this ecosystem of independent media. I like to say knowledge is power. And so people will leave this conversation listening to this, and they'll say, oh, I didn't know this, or, oh, I'm learning that. And if maybe they can just bend the ear of one or two other people. We've made a lot of progress, I think, especially when you're not hearing certain things in mainstream and traditional media.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, that's why I'm so excited to watch you now do your thing. Unfettered, uncensored. Katie Fang unleashed on the world. And not just that, but, like, the platform that you gave. I remember seeing on social media a photo of you and every single, like, Aphi person that you've had on your show. Like that platforming and amplifying those voices, it just. It, like, filled, like, my heart with, like, this awesome feeling of how important it is that we aren't checking our authentic selves at the door and we are going out there to cover the Stories, not just the stories we think are important, but we cover them in the way that we think is important to cover them.

[Katie Fang]

Yeah. And you know, I'll share this with you, Allison, because kind of the day after my last episode, I was sharing a video about my vulnerability and how I was scared. Right. I mean, this is all kind of a new frontier for me. And most people look at me, they're like, look at her. She's brash and she's out there. Definitely not any stereotypical Asian. Right. But I will say this. You know, it was such an honor to have a show with my name on it. And I took that very seriously because they don't have that right for Asian females. And then with me being gone, I felt so badly. I let down a lot of people, but including my community, because it's so hard to break into this space. And I felt like not only did I put my foot in the door, but I was holding the door open. And now I feel like that door's been shut, slammed shut again. Because in the event Alex Wagner, who lost her own named show, in the event Alex leaves msnbc, there will not be a single Asian female that is at msnbc. There are incredibly talented Asian women like Vicky Wynn, who's over at NBC, and Emily Ikeda. I mean, there are people that are there. But you know this, the phrase representation matters, it's used a lot, maybe think it's, maybe people think it's overused, but it's just not. And so now it's back to ground zero, and yet it's not. So in independent media, when I'm on YouTube, which I'll be on YouTube and substack and with you guys, I mean, I'm actually going to reach more people, frankly, than on traditional media. And so I'm grateful for that. But also, you know, I can do speaking engagements I wasn't able to do before, and I can do things like that. And those things are really important. And so I want people to see me for who I am with my 10 year old, who I say is going on 30 and some days doesn't want to talk to me and my dog and my husband and my 82 year old mother and all the shit that kind of went into getting me to where I am today, which is on the cusp of being 50. And I just kind of want to put it all out there because I think it resonates when people say she cares like I care and that we're not alone. And because feeling alone is the worst feeling right So I want people to know that here's it, all of it. Enjoy it is.

[Allison Gill]

And knowing that you're not alone is one of the most powerful things. No one can gaslight you anymore. And I'm looking forward to seeing what you do because I honestly think that corporate media is on the decline. Sort of what we saw with like, corporate record labels versus independent labels and independent music and people doing things by themselves and for themselves and their communities. And so I think that this is actually, for you. It's going to be like a step up and a step out and more doors are going to be opening than are closing. And so I'm really excited to see where this goes. Everybody needs to subscribe to Law and Disorder. What a fantastic name for your substack. And we're going to probably do some sub stack lives together and please, that'd be awesome. We'll be able to help. You know, like, when I left the government, I was like, oh, my gosh, I feel like I'm not. The door was closing on me being able to help veterans, but I've been able to do so much more through independent media and, you know, actually using my name now than I ever was before.

[Katie Fang]

Not your pseudo dude.

[Allison Gill]

Every time I go to some sort of gathering, though, and I'm like, they're like, oh, hi. Who are you?

[Dana Goldberg]

I'm like, I'm Allison Gill.

[Allison Gill]

And they're like, look at the blank stare. And I'm like, mueller, she wrote. Oh, yeah, okay.

[Katie Fang]

I actually was just looking out. I still have my Mueller prayer candle. Oh, my God.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, I think mine's back.

[Katie Fang]

Do you have yours? I still have. I have my Mueller prayer candle. I have my Mueller mug. I. I will say this. I'm grateful for you and others like the guys over at Midas who are friends and with whom I'm going to be collaborating as well on their network. You know, you guys very smartly saw the lay of the land before everybody else did. And what I appreciate the most about you is you didn't pull the ladder up behind you as you've gone up. And I want to emphasize this because people need to realize it is. Women are hard on women one and two. You know, sometimes you get the feeling that it's like, yeah, you know, here's kind of a leg up or here's a little bit of help. But you've never made it conditional, Allison. And so I'm very grateful for that. So thank you for always being so gracious about wanting to make sure that we're all Heard. Because there really is space at the table for all of us, simply because we're all different. We have different experiences, and we bring different things to that table. And so I'm grateful for you for. For turning back and always offering a hand to help me get up. So I appreciate that.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, well, thank you. Because, I mean, you know, that's like the. I. I don't even know what to say. I'm not good at compliments, but I've. I've learned over the past couple of decades, being in government and comedy and music, there's always room at the table. It's like that, you know, where they're like. It's. It's like when we talk about rights, there's enough for everyone. It's not pie. It's the same in the media space. And I want everybody to grab a microphone and be themselves. The more we have storytelling out there, the less alone we feel. So thank you so much for all the work you're doing. Tell everybody again where they can find and follow you.

[Katie Fang]

Yeah, so I did launch a substack. It is Atiefang at the substack that I have. I do have Law and Disorder. You can always follow atiefang on the other social media platforms like Blue Sky Threads and Instagram. And then pretty soon, we'll be launching a YouTube channel with the Midas Network, actually. So I'll be. I mean, this will be the. Here's a little exclusive breaking news for you. So, you know what? And maybe I'll leave this open to your. To. To your folks that are tuning in, because I was allowed to leave. I asked and I was allowed to leave with the Katie Feng Show.

[Allison Gill]

Show.

[Katie Fang]

The name. The Katie Fang show, which, listen, is great, but it was also like, bruh, it's my name with my show. So I could be like, the show with Katie Fang and do that. But anyway, so. So MSNBC was like, yeah, you can have your name. So I have the Katie Fang Show. I'm not sure if that's what we're going to call it, but pretty much we're going to kind of take that format and pop it on YouTube with some other stuff. But I don't know, maybe I'll make it like an open thing on suggestions for news for what I'm gonna do.

[Allison Gill]

Interesting.

[Katie Fang]

Right in, right in.

[Allison Gill]

Dailybeanspod.com, click on Contact. Let us know what you think the Katie Fang show should be. I like the Katie Fang show. But, yeah, like, oh, thank you for letting me keep my name, like it

[Katie Fang]

was a little weird that I was asking. I was like, can I, I was like, yeah, can I have my name? But, but they're like, well, you know. No, I'm kidding. So, yeah, so it's my name and I have it. But we'll see what happens.

[Allison Gill]

That's so cool that the Midas guys are, are going to be collaborating with you. They're done. Some pretty incred meeting Joe Rogan. I love it.

[Katie Fang]

But you know what? It's because they know that I, I think the genuine, authentic kind of message of we really care about democracy, it's not lip service and we care about it being provided to you in this unadulterated, clean way. The information in the news and hey, folks, critical thinking skills are not dead and we see them being used.

[Allison Gill]

We saw it the, you know, the, the context and the curative journalism and, and curation and add more long form stuff. We saw it, might have saw it, we saw it going back, like trying to tell corporate media like, hey, if, if, if, you know, you don't have to die as a business model, there is a market for something different and that, I don't know, they just don't listen. So here we are. And yay. Thank you so much.

[Katie Fang]

Better days, better days ahead. I'll tell you that, my friends.

[Allison Gill]

Thank you. If we go on the road again, we're gonna have to sit, sit again in the green room at the Miracle Theater.

[Katie Fang]

God, how fun was that? That was so much fun.

[Allison Gill]

It was a blast. All right, my friend, it's been wonderful to talk to you. Everybody follow Katie everywhere. You know how to find her. And we appreciate your time today. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back with the good news.

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[Allison Gill]

Everybody, welcome back. It's time for the good news. Good news. Good news. All right, everybody. This is our listener supported good news segment of the day. Send your good news to us whether it's, you know, you have any confessions or corrections, especially pronunciation corrections? Just a good news story you want to share with us or if you have a shout out to a loved one or yourself. We love self shout outs. A shout out to maybe a small business in your area that could use a boost or your small business or some great community activism that you're seeing, send that to us. And of course, shout outs to government programs that have helped you or a loved one. And so, you know, normally we ask for shout outs to Democratic government programs, but I think that the Republicans have passed a program. Well, the last one I could think of was like Mtala from 1980s. Unless you're a billionaire and you're really into Trump's tax cuts from 2017, you can send that to us.

[Dana Goldberg]

You are a billionaire and you're not a patron. You need to look at yourself in the mirror.

[Katie Fang]

Right?

[Dana Goldberg]

Hello.

[Allison Gill]

We do have a thousand dollar a month level. You do? No, I don't think we do. No, I was like, you do got

[Dana Goldberg]

to get in on that.

[Allison Gill]

We'll put it in there. We'll put it in there. We'll put. Now, now I want to go add the thousand dollar a month for billionaires.

[Dana Goldberg]

For billionaires.

[Allison Gill]

Pay your fair share. That's funny. I'm totally going to do that. If you're not a patron, you can check it out. Patreon.com Muller she wrote Look for thousand dollar a month pledge.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh my God. Ag Speaking of a little schadenfreude before you get on the first one because this just came onto my phone. Remember that 60 Minutes report that prompted Trump to freak out and sue them? That was Kamala Harris's interview. Just got nominated for an Emmy.

[Allison Gill]

Oh God, that's funny.

[Dana Goldberg]

Okay, I just. That's the good news. That's the start of the good news. That is good news.

[Allison Gill]

And by the way, motherfucker edited so out of his 60 Minutes interview, I can't even. Oh my God, that's fantastic. Congratulations on your Emmy nomination. Bill Owens, who has left and 60 minutes and so good. So good. Oh, wonderful. Was it for editing?

[Dana Goldberg]

I probably. That would have been.

[Allison Gill]

Oh my God.

[Dana Goldberg]

That's very, very funny.

[Allison Gill]

Okay, send your good news to [e-mail] and click on Contact. Also, if you have any pet photos, bird watching photos, you know, you and your friends flipping off Trump properties, flipping the bird to Musk Properties. Send that to us. Your baby pictures, adoptable pets in your area. There's a, there are multiple ways to pay your pod pet tariff. And we appreciate all of your good news submissions. First up from Anonymous. Hello, beans, queens. Thanks for keeping us sane in these crazy times. Love the laughter and the much needed swearing to see us through the insanity. Quick correction. The last name of the Australian prime minister reelected last weekend over Voldemort. Very appropriate nickname for ex opposition leader Peter Dutton. Is pronounced Albanese. Congrats to Albo, as he's known. It's. Oh, Albo's up. Get it. It's a huge relief that the Trump light party was blitzed America. There is light at the end of the tunnel for my pod pet, Tara. A photo of my trail loving, snow loving, fur baby. She's a common breed, but one of a kind for the family who absolutely dotes on her. Look at this.

[Dana Goldberg]

She's perfect.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, she's an Aussie doodle.

[Dana Goldberg]

I need an Aussie doodle.

[Allison Gill]

I love the little muppet thing.

[Dana Goldberg]

There is some soul in those eyes that. That dog has been places.

[Allison Gill]

That's an old soul dog for sure. Yeah.

[Dana Goldberg]

Gorgeous.

[Allison Gill]

Thank you.

[Dana Goldberg]

We got a submission. This is from my friend Kathy, or Gator. We call her Gatorade. Dear Ag, your reporting on Katie Ledecky was short one very important fact. Katie is a beloved member of Gator Nation.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, I apologize.

[Dana Goldberg]

The nickname of those of us who fully support, love, and adore the University of Florida. Katie joined us in 2021 and has been an unbelievable inspiration to the entire swimming and dive team, specifically, and the rest of Gator Nation in general. And we are very proud of her. Go, Gators. Sincerely, Dana's fanatical friend. G. Bonus correction. Taint has never, ever been used in the medical community as a description for the perineal.

[Allison Gill]

It's used in the legal system all the time.

[Dana Goldberg]

That's right. Gator. I love you. Literally. This made it into the good news quickly because I got a text from Gator that was like, I can't believe

[Allison Gill]

you guys didn't say anything.

[Dana Goldberg]

And I was like, don't come at me.

[Allison Gill]

AG wrote that script. I'm not a fan of the Gators. Kathy, I'm super sorry.

[Dana Goldberg]

Gators. Sorry.

[Allison Gill]

No, I'm. I'm. I know I'm going to get in trouble.

[Dana Goldberg]

That's right. They have their national championship in basketball, so they're fine now. The bends.

[Allison Gill]

Mm. Well, congrats, I guess. I'm just. Their arrival school.

[Dana Goldberg]

Their arrival school. I'm about to get some text messages. Let's keep moving.

[Allison Gill]

But okay. Go Gators. Because of Katie, I'll say that.

[Dana Goldberg]

Also, Kathy is about one of the most extraordinary people I've ever met. So she's awesome. Love you.

[Allison Gill]

Amazing, amazing, amazing. Thank you, gator. Next up, Jordan pronouns he and him. In a world where many companies are actively dismantling their DEI initiatives, the company I work for is committed to strengthening its DEI efforts. As the president of our Pride erg, I'm excited to share that we will be participating in three Pride parades for the first time in the company's history in Los Angeles, Dallas and Atlanta. I am proud to be part of a company that values the diversity of its employees and is dedicated to the diversity of its vendors and suppliers. This is so cool, Jordan. And I've got a feel for people who, you know, just kind of always assumed that their workplace was into diversity, equity, and inclusion. But maybe their companies are being unmasked now as not. Yeah, I mean, that's got to be really difficult. So, Jordan, congrats on being part of a company that's embraces these initiatives. Jordan goes on to say attach. I've included a photo of most of our pets in one image. A well loved orange tabby, our golden doodle, and our newest addition, a min pin puppy who's only six weeks old. He gets two photos, lol. Thank you, both of you and your backstage crew for all your dedicated work. P S. If you'll be at LA Pride, let me know. I'll be traveling from Nashville to participate with our company and it would be awesome to say hi at least.

[Dana Goldberg]

No, look at this. Oh, my God.

[Allison Gill]

She sits side saddle.

[Dana Goldberg]

Brood is adorable.

[Allison Gill]

Or he. Excuse me, he's sitting side saddle. Adorable.

[Dana Goldberg]

Jordan, your animals are so sweet.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, they look comfy. I want to snuggle with them.

[Dana Goldberg]

I love it. All right, this is from Barbara in Bama. Not from here. She said pronouns.

[Allison Gill]

She pronouns. She and her county.

[Dana Goldberg]

Correction. First, love the show. Lowndes county in Alabama is pronounced to rhyme with towns. Oh, now I said it.

[Katie Fang]

Right. Right.

[Dana Goldberg]

We're all wrong. Oh, just ignore the D. So it's lounge. All right. When pronouncing the word, you make the hellscape endurable when it seems too much. I especially love the good trouble pet tariff. Here's a pic of my pound puppies, Sierra and Cinder. And now I just realized I. Hold on. These pictures have showed up in two different submissions, and so I think the one of them is for Jordan. And then this second picture, they're the pound puppies. Here we go. Pound puppy, Sierra and Cinder.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, they are sore. They're just so cute. They look so peaceful.

[Dana Goldberg]

I know. And you're right.

[Allison Gill]

There is a repeat of a photo. We'll find out what's going on behind the scenes. So I think that probably the lab and the other, like, little red dog are probably Sierra and cinder. Yeah, I would think so anyway. Lovely. All right, next up, from Emma Lee. Pronoun, she and her. Oh, we have an axolotl. I just want to say thank you. I've been a listener since the kitchen table days, and my mornings would not be complete without you and Dana and your team. For PodBet Tariff, I'm submitting a puzzle my husband made. Can you guess the model of the axolotl? Pink.

[Dana Goldberg]

It looks like a pink one. A long axolotl.

[Allison Gill]

A longalatl.

[Dana Goldberg]

A longalado.

[Allison Gill]

Adorable. That's so cool that he made that. And another short one here from Susan. Pronouns she and her. Hi. Sending you good juju with a pic of me and my first cat. Your podcast is a welcome relief during this inhumane attack on our psyches. Thank you. And keep fighting this autocratic takeover of all democracies. Look at this beautiful picture.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, that's fantastic.

[Allison Gill]

Okay, you take the baby one.

[Dana Goldberg]

You got it. Thank you. This is from Joy's pronoun. She and her ag. I listen to all your shows and I appreciate all that you and your co hosts do to inform the public. Thank you for having the courage to speak out. You and Harry Dunn asked about whether borrow me some money is used a lot. Yes. In Minnesota, it's totally normal. The Swedish words for borrow and lend are the same, as are the words for teach and learn. This has influenced the Minnesota dialect. For my tariff, I'm sharing a picture of my granddaughter. It looks like she's ready to sing Crocodile Rock.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, my God. It is a little Elton John. Look, what a sweet baby. Those glasses are amazing. And a Minnie Mouse. Look it. Oh, that's a lot of toys.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, so cute.

[Allison Gill]

Adorable. All right, our final submission Here is from E.B. a correction beanie, ladies, AG and DG. I am E.B. i'm a patron. I've been listening since last November, and I love it. I feel more sane knowing I'm not alone in this. Thank you. Please stop saying Kristy Dog Killer gnome is cosplaying. She isn't even to the level of a spirit Halloween costume. As a cosplayer, the most I've spent is close to $1,000 in nine months of building a suit of cosplay armor, I'm featured in an international book. And that costume, my first, won second place in a major convention. Nice, EB Right Those of us who cosplay do it for the love of the character, the artwork, the style and the challenge. Amongst many things, Ms. Gnome embodies none of that. Amongst her other innumerable character and moral failings, Pod Tariff is Harley, our two year old rescue ombre, Bernadoodle. You can't see it in the photo very well, but she fades from black on her back to gray legs and then to her white toes. She's my cute best friend. Look at the ombre beard. Oh, she's beautiful. I love this, EB. I think this comes from our production booth.

[Dana Goldberg]

I like the note though.

[Allison Gill]

Furthermore, I would say that Gnome isn't larping either. That would call for some effort and knowledge on her part. She's barely playing dress up at a novel novelty photo booth level. This is along the lines of not calling this administration clowns because clowning is a noble craft or calling that takes training, effort and respect for your audience and expertise. Thank you. Thank you to our producer for that.

[Dana Goldberg]

I love it.

[Allison Gill]

EB thanks for that submission and thanks to everyone for your good news submissions. We couldn't get through our days without them. Please send all your good news. Flood us with good news like it's good trouble. Send it to [e-mail] and click on contact. Don't forget to call the CDC and tell them you have 9,000 kids. We appreciate you telling they've been vaccinated for like made up shit. That would be extra funny.

[Dana Goldberg]

That would be very funny.

[Allison Gill]

Yes. My 17 year old is vaccinated against Bushwick syndrome. You know, just whatever, just make it up and I think it would be really funny.

[Dana Goldberg]

You could say they vaccinated against TDS and just leave it at that.

[Allison Gill]

That would be great.

[Dana Goldberg]

Trump Derangement syndrome because they think we all have it. They've been vaccinated against tds.

[Allison Gill]

Yes. Yeah, we're the crazy ones. Okay, sure. Everybody, thanks so much again. Send your good news to us dailybeanspod.com click on contact. Do you have any final thoughts, my friend, before we get out of here today?

[Dana Goldberg]

I do not.

[Allison Gill]

All right, everybody, we'll be back in your ears tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been ag. I've been dg and them's the beans.

[Dana Goldberg]

Refried bean.

[Allison Gill]

I like refried beans.

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