Martha Barnett (21:01)

Hey, Alison. There ought to be a word for mutual fangirling, because, as you know, I think you're a national treasure.

Alison Gill (21:08)

I think you are, too. And I think everybody's going to recognize your voice, which is just so great. And it's. It's great to finally meet you. We've been in the same town, haunting the same places for decades, and we haven't run into each other yet, so you should make that happen at some point.

Martha Barnett (21:22)

I know I would love to do that.

Alison Gill (21:24)

Yes. And. And let's. Let's talk about this, because I have. I'm a longtime listener to Away With Words. And I was brought up, I went to Catholic school. I got the knuckles hit when I did things wrong in language. And I learned through listening to Away With Words that even when things are used improperly, they become part of the lexicon, and that's how languages develop. And I always was like, okay, things change and things move. And so I, you know, I have to think Away with words for that different outlook. So let's talk a little bit about Friends with Words, because you are weaving together all of these strands in a very informative and very entertaining exploration of language. It's, you know, it's like what I learned from the show, and it's got a lot of humor in it, which I think is very important and a lot about your story, your Appalachian roots, right? Mm.

Martha Barnett (22:20)

Yeah. I didn't grow up in Appalachia, but my Aunt Mazo, my father's sister, was part of the family, was born in a log cabin on Sugarloaf Mountain in North Carolina, and she took care of me when I was little. And so for many, many years, during my formative years, I would put on my cowboy outfit and my holster and gun and tromp over to her apartment next door, and we would watch Westerns together. And I heard so much of the Appalachian dialect from her. And so to me, that's almost second nature. When I hear an East Tennessee or a western North Carolina accent, the hairs on the back of my neck just stand up because it was. It's such a glorious, glorious regional dialect. And so those are my roots.

Alison Gill (23:14)

Now, is that what got you into language? Like this, like, tell me the story of how you ended up on a way with words.

Martha Barnett (23:24)

Well, I'll try to give you the short version, which is that I'd had Latin in high school, and I went to college and thought, why not study Greek? You know, I'd love to read Homer and Sappho and all those folks in the original. But what I found out is that ancient Greek is super hard. It's way harder than Latin. And so I was about to flunk out of this class, and rather than flunk it, I dropped it, and I went home and to my home in Louisville, Kentucky, and I found a tutor, an elderly man, an immigrant from Latvia, who spoke at least a dozen languages. He was a polyglot and was perfectly comfortable in 12 languages and could work his way around in 12 more. And he was a retired professor of classics. And he started to teach me about language in a completely different way. Because, Alison, I hadn't realized that nearly half of the world's population speaks a language that. That descended from a single prehistoric root called proto Indo European. And what that means is that languages that are really diverse and you wouldn't think have something in common actually do. All of these languages came from that root, like Sanskrit and French and ancient Hittite and. And Russian and Irish and English and Spanish and Italian and German. All these languages came from this one single root, Tocharian, which was spoken in Western China. So he began to teach me all these connections between and among words that I didn't realize. And it just blew my mind because you start to realize that these languages have words that are sisters and cousins, and they're all more connected than you realize. So it was a totally different way of teaching me about language. I got really into it. I went back and aced my ancient Greek courses. I ended up studying with this elderly man from Latvia for 12 years until his death. And then after that, I decided that I wanted to share the substance and the spirit of what Professor Litkovsky taught me. And so I started researching and writing books about word origins. I was a freelance writer on the side, but I started writing these books about word origins in Kentucky. And then in 2004, KPBS, which produced the show Away with Words with two other hosts, they lost one of the hosts. And so they did a nationwide search and found me in Kentucky writing books on word origins with a terrible public speaking phobia. But I just thought, gosh, if I can share this passion about language with lots of people instead of just the occasional person who reads my book, how cool Would that be. I've. I've got to do this one way or another. So I just decided I'm gonna try it, you know, Leap in the net will appear. And so I came out to. To San Diego and started doing the show and they hired me. And, and actually, I should add too, that a lot of people are surprised to learn that in 2007, there was a massive budget shortfall at KPBS. And, you know, public radio stations struggle for money and they, they ran out of money to produce the show. And my co host, Grant Barrett, and our fabulous producer, Stephanie Levine, and I decided, well, let's put on a show. Let's do it ourselves. Which, you know, if I, if I think about it now, I think, wow, had I only known how hard it is to start a podcast as, you know, or a radio show, you know, just starting from nothing, it was a lot harder than we thought it would be. And. But I'm really glad that we were that naive because I've been doing it now for 21 years.

Alison Gill (27:30)

That's so cool. I love that language connections thing. And, and the tutor that you had from a lot via. I. I was also fascinated at a young age. I took Latin, learning a lot of the roots again, Catholic school.

Martha Barnett (27:46)

Yeah.

Alison Gill (27:46)

And then I took German, and I was so surprised to. I'm like, this sounds just like English, you know, you're like, yes. Where is your house? Woe Stein house? Is it far from here? Is das White phone here? Like, I'm like, this sounds like English to me. I can. I can really grab onto this. And I also had this really great history teacher who did something similar. Instead of just teaching us rote memorization of dates and things that happen, he would tell us all the things that were going on at the same time in other parts of the world. Like, did you know Beethoven wrote this when this was going on? Or, you know, the Old West. And Beethoven, like, it was just. It really helped us kind of see the world in a different way and see things contextually. And. And so that's probably one of the reasons I love the show so much. So let's. Let's talk a little bit about a couple of topics that I wanted to touch on, because this book, I want to get into friends with words. So what got you to now? You've written a ton of books, right? Garden of Words, Lady Fingers and Nuns, Tummies, Dog Days and Dandelions. What prompted you to write this one?

Martha Barnett (28:52)

Well, you know, I just. I had this sort of realization that I'd Been doing this for 20 years, and I have learned so much from our listeners over the years. They have taught my co host and me so many things about language. And, you know, I just wanted to share all of those things, whether it's word origins or slang or thinking about grammar in a different way. And this just seemed like a good way to do it. And yeah, I did put some memoir in there too, because I think that story helps. I mean, as you know, story helps communicate ideas. And so there is some memoir in there too.

Alison Gill (29:34)

Yeah, it provides the context. Right. Grounds everything. Let's talk about a couple of things. First of all, I want to talk about the evolution of pronouns and the singular they. I know that this bothers a lot of grammarians about saying they. Them when referencing one person. Talk about that.

Martha Barnett (29:52)

Well, one thing that I like to point out to people, and people are often surprised to learn this, is that pronouns haven't remained stable in English throughout the centuries. I mean, you were talking about English being related to German and how they sound similar. And, you know, I can't help thinking about the first lines of Beowulf. I mean, it sounds really weird. English evolves and language has evolved. Pronouns have evolved as well. Because if you go way back to the time of Beowulf, there were a couple of different ways that you could say you. I mean, think about the fact that we have you and then we and you and ye, and we have the and thou. And originally you was plural. And it started to be used in Middle English to be a more formal way of addressing somebody. You wouldn't address somebody who's your underling as you. You would address them as thou. Those were two different second person pronouns. And then in about 1100-1500 Middle English, you became much more formal. And for example, in Shakespeare, in Othello, there's a great example of that where Othello the king says, if thou dost love me, show me thy thought to his underling, Iago. And of course, Othello is his superior. And so Iago says back, my lord, you know I love you. So Othello is saying, if thou dost love me, show me thy thought. And Iago is saying, my lord, you know I love you so. Two different uses of the term you. And the other thing that I love to point out about pronouns in English, and we'll get to they, but the other thing I love to point out about pronouns is that English used to have a dual. How cool is that? So, for example, in Old English, there was the pronoun that translated as we too, Beowulf talks about we too swam in the ocean when he's talking about swimming with another person. And also in Old English poems about Adam and Eve, they talk about God or some heavenly being saying, you too, leave the garden, or whatever. So it's a dual pronoun, which I find super fascinating. Now, bringing us up to the pronoun they for one person. People get all bent out of shape about using they for. You know, like, if anybody has a problem with this, they can talk to the principal or something. There's nothing wrong with that. People have been using that for centuries. Chaucer used the singular they that way. Shakespeare used the singular they that way. Jane Austen did. And so I hope that we have gotten to the point where if somebody uses the singular they, they aren't going to get criticized for it. And then, of course, there's also the use of they for. For non binary folks. And people have tried to come up with different pronouns and get people to use them, like z and zir. But it's really, really hard to do that. It's really hard to just say, however, well, meaning. The idea is it's really hard to just say, we think that this is the way that you should use this new word. It's hard to get traction. Sometimes that happens. But I think it just boils down to, my gosh, are we not able to just respect the pronouns that somebody has? I'm reminded of a call that we had on the show from a guy named Luis from Texas, and he called to say, you know, my name is Luis. All my co workers insist on calling me Luis. And it's like, why? You know, your name is the thing that's most personal to you. Probably after your body, it's the thing that you've had for the longest time. And it just blows my mind that anybody would think to not respect somebody's choice whether it's their pronoun or their name, for heaven's sake.

Alison Gill (34:26)

Yeah, it's odd to me as well. I mean, I remember I was out with a friend and I was asking him, and we were talking about our national origins and that I'm Irish and he's Spanish. And a woman piped up next to him and said, no, you're Italian. And he went, oh, you're right, I forgot. Thank you for letting me know. Yeah. Because when I was a kid growing up, if you said, oh, them or look at them, no, it's him or her, Right? And I was like, why is it so? Why do you Gotta be so binary about it. It just. It seemed odd to me, but that's one you gotta knuckle whack for, for sure. And I'm so glad that everybody's chilling out a little bit.

Martha Barnett (35:03)

Yeah.

Alison Gill (35:04)

Let's talk real quick about something else that you bring up. That's the word queer. When I was very young, that was a word you didn't say. And now it had. Has been. It has been taken back.

Martha Barnett (35:17)

Yes.

Alison Gill (35:18)

And. And reclaimed. And I love these kinds of. I love this. This kind of a. Of an arc. Of a character arc for a word.

Martha Barnett (35:27)

No, exactly. That's a great way to describe it. And yeah, I love the word queer. I'm happy to describe myself as queer, as is my wife, but it bubbled up organically. I do love the term quilt bag. Are you familiar with that acronym? People had suggested this several years ago as an acronym for that ever growing community of queer people. Cute.

Alison Gill (35:55)

LGBTQIA plus. Yeah.

Martha Barnett (35:56)

Yes, thank you, thank you. But I kind of liked quilt bag. You know, I picture this lovely bag and, you know, quilted and maybe, of course, rainbow colored and sequins. But. But quilt bag, however well intentioned, however smart an idea that is, it just didn't catch on. Language, as we said, evolves and changes organically. And. And, but yeah, as you mentioned, I mean, queer is one of those terms that has been reclaimed like so many other terms. Whether you're in the community of disabled folks or some other kind of minority, there's real power in reclaiming that word.

Alison Gill (36:39)

Yeah, I concur. Talk a little bit about. I got a little bit more time left. Let me ask you this. What is your favorite old word that has fallen out of use?

Martha Barnett (36:52)

Oh, well, I'll give you two really quickly. One is respair, which in the 16th century meant a return from despair, and I just love that. Right. Because. And I don't know why it ever fell out of use. You know, despair can be a verb meaning to be happy again, or it can be the state of recovering from despair. So I would really love to popularize. But I do have one other word that I'm really hoping that you and Dana can help popularize, and that is throttle bottom.

Alison Gill (37:32)

I love. I love it already. What does it mean? Right.

Martha Barnett (37:34)

You're gonna love it even more, because I think if you look it up in Merriam Webster, go online, it says.

Alison Gill (37:43)

Merriam Webster, an innocuously inept and futile person in public office.

Martha Barnett (37:51)

Yes. Yes.

Alison Gill (37:54)

Yeah. Well, gosh, I can't think of any. How would that apply to US today.

Martha Barnett (37:59)

Well, the story behind it is pretty funny. There was a. A farce, a musical farce in the 1930s called a V I Sing. And it was about a guy who runs for President of the United States, John P. Wintergreen. And his vice president was this guy named Alexander Throttlebottom. And the guy was so ineffective, so feckless, just, just unimpressive. Absolutely unimpressive. He was so unimpressive that he managed to get into the White House only because he joined a tour group. He snuck into the White House because nobody could remember this guy's name because he was just so unimpressive. And so the word throttle bottom, although you don't see it very much, can mean an inept public official or some dictionaries define it as a corrupt public official. So I think throttle bottom is a word to add to your vocabulary.

Alison Gill (38:59)

I love it. We will do that. Some of my favorite things I learned when I was doing my ancestry. Apparently I'm related to a fellow named Ethelred the Unready.

Martha Barnett (39:09)

Oh yeah.

Alison Gill (39:09)

But back then unready didn't mean unprepared.

Martha Barnett (39:15)

You're right. It meant illiterate or unread. Right?

Alison Gill (39:19)

Uh huh.

Martha Barnett (39:20)

Yeah. Wow.

Alison Gill (39:22)

One of my other favorite words that I love, retronym. So the reason we call it an acoustic guitar is because we have an electric guitar. Before that they were all just guitars.

Martha Barnett (39:32)

That's right.

Alison Gill (39:33)

So I love that I. The retro nim. I think that that's a fantastic word too. Well, it's been an absolute joy time. I could talk to you about words and language for like we could do hours worth. And you do, you have a whole show about it.

Martha Barnett (39:48)

It's true.

Alison Gill (39:49)

But I, I really am so thankful that you were able to come on today and I highly recommend. Again, part of my good trouble is to get everybody to go to their indie booksellers, buy 10 copies of these Friends with Words, put them out in your little libraries, your little free libraries around your neighborhood. And of course they also make wonderful gifts. I just buy books all year and then wrap them up and just give them to people. So it's been really wonderful to talk to you and meet you, tell everyone where they can find and follow you.

Martha Barnett (40:19)

You can go to my website, MarthaBarnett.com that's two T's and an E on the end. I'm also all over social media under that name, Martha Barnett and I would also invite you to come to our website waywardradio.org because after you finish listening to the Daily Beans you can always Plug in a way with words and have a listen about language. Yes.

Alison Gill (40:43)

And like you can submit good news stories, which we'll get to in a second, to the Daily Beans. You can submit your questions about words to weigh with words and that some of those are my favorite times are when people call in or write in and say I heard this word. And then people, other people comment on it and where they've heard it before and maybe what region of the country they live in. It's just super fascinating. Thank you so much for your time today. I really needed a break from the throttle bottoms in the White House.

Martha Barnett (41:13)

There you go. My pleasure, Alison.

Alison Gill (41:15)

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Participants get their very own instant pot to keep, food to take home and childcare for the little ones that aren't quite ready to join the class as sous chefs. Let's reduce those barriers to participation. Helene Recovery efforts and the rise in cost of groceries and everything else has increased the need for this work in the region. Uncomplicated Kitchen is providing an amazing service to Western North Carolinians and I'm proud to be a part of it. Plus the recipes are easy and delicious. Monthly recurring donors get access to the recipes used in the classes each month and many of them have become staples in my household. Ask my podbetter if I'm including a photo of my pitty babies. Gloria AKA Worm, the black and white one, and Rosie AKA Carl the gray one. Keep up the great work. Oh these doggos are so fantastic. Oh look at these sweet babies. All right, so that's your good trouble today. Remember how I said the good trouble was going to be in the good news? I want you to check out a local non profit that you think is doing amazing work and I want you to tell us about it because we want to shout them out. Especially if you're working with a local nonprofit or a national nonprofit. Doesn't have to be local. What am I talking about? But I want to get eyes on all of these amazing nonprofits that we can help and participate in and enjoy as part of growing the community. It's a small act of resistance I think. So that's your good trouble should you choose to accept it today. All right, next up from Sean Pronouns he and him oh this Kitty my heart hello from a new listener in South Carolina. I'm really enjoying the podcast, especially the Good Trouble segment. I've been saying a lot of things like that when seeing stories about Donald Trump, so I think this podcast is perfect for me. Welcome Sean. I enjoyed not using my tickets to the Sweet Potato Hitler Birthday parade and I already have my tickets reserved that I won't be using for the event on July 3rd keep the good trouble ideas coming. Also, big shout out for Pell Grants. Thanks to those grants, I was able to afford to go to college and not graduate with a mountain of student loan debt. For my pet tariff. I've sent a picture of my cat, Monty. Oh my God. Best name. He was a rescue my son found at the animal shelter and we had to have one of his eyes removed due to injuries that he sustained before the shelter got him. He gets around pretty good with one eye and he protects us from all the crazy maga down here. Keep up the great work, Sean. Welcome to the Laguminati. So glad to have you. This baby is amazing. Little Turkish Van maybe. I'm guessing breeds and no one's asked me to. I just. It's a habit now. But he's absolutely gorgeous. I bet he purrs really loud. All right, next up from Karina Pronoun she and her hi Ag and dg. I'm new to the Daily Beans. I started listening to Friday before the no Kings protest. Very cool. Welcome Karina. I had to write and give this shout out to my friend Kim, who one introduced me to the podcast which has made me more politically literate without making me feel totally depressed. Two took me to the San Antonio no Kings protest, which was my first ever protest, and three welcomed me to her book club when we moved back to town, which coincidentally rekindled my love of reading. 4 and so much more. She's been an amazing friend and that needs to be recognized. Amazing shout out to Kim from Karina for my Bob pet tariff. Here are pics of my babies, Kara, Black and white and gear, both doing what they love, snuggling up with pillows. These two Great Danes weigh a total of 300 pounds, which gives us lots of dog to love and snuggle in this house. Oh. Oh my goodness, they're so sleepy. Look at the size of those feet. Oh, I love Great Danes. Thank you Karina. Welcome again. Welcome to Legume and I so many new listeners. I appreciate you all. Next up from anonymous pronouns he and him. Hi Beans Goddesses, I want to share some good trouble I got into related to your story about the Love Is Love Pride protest concert at the Kennedy center on Monday night. As a member of the Gay Men's chorus of Washington D.C. and our small ensemble acapella group, Potomac Fever, I had the absolute honor of being part of that amazing night organized by Senator John Hickenlooper with support from Senators Warren, Rosen, Baldwin and Shats a few months ago when the hostile takeover of the Kennedy center occurred. The Gay men's chorus, Washington, D.C. was one of the first publicly reported artistic casualties, with our planned Pride concert with the National Symphony Orchestra abruptly canceled for, quote, financial reasons. Since then, we've had some amazing opportunities to sing and protest as a direct result, including the full chorus singing at Carnegie hall in New York City this past weekend. How do you make it to Carnegie Hall? Oh, incredible. Anonymous But Monday night was something special for me. I've been in the Potomac Fever PF for well over a decade and this is exactly the kind of good trouble I love to get into with this incredibly special group of friends where we sing to remind people that we will not be silent and that we fight for justice, equality and inclusion for everyone, even in places that would cancel us and shove us back into the closet if given half the chance. Our director, Dr. Thea Kano always tells us, quote, there's always at least one person in the audience who needs to hear you. Monday night it felt like we all needed to hear each other, audience and performers alike, and it felt amazing. The actors, performers and producers who gave their time, talent and energy to make this concert happen were so incredibly kind and welcoming and I'm incredibly proud that we were able to be a small part of it, including singing an acapella version of ABBA's Dancing Queen since it's one of the gayest songs we know. As I told one of my PF siblings, while this was just one performance, it's both a protest and an opportunity to encourage others, ourselves included, to continue expressing their art, whether it be music, poetry, writing, theater, painting, etc. However they want. All art is political and we can never let the fascists decide what art should or should not be. And we can't let them decide what art should be or look like. I truly believe that we'll get through this political hellscape together by expressing and supporting the arts, giving others hope, a smile, a laugh, a cry, and maybe just that little extra oomph to keep fighting the good fight for another day. For my BODPET Tariff, I present to you the three legged Mutt Kara AKA Care Bear, formerly the Heathen Devil Child when she was an 8 month old tripod puppy terrorizing her new daddies who briefly questioned their life choices. She's now 14 years old, just barely showing her age as a senior gal and she's one of the sweetest, smartest animals ever. Friend to all cats, humans and small dogs, but still not big dogs. She's the best girl and we love her dearly oh, she's amazing. Okay. And I'm sorry, but your wooden stairs. Is that bamboo? It's gorgeous. The brick. Exposed brick. This your place looks amazing. And okay, here's the dog reading a book called maybe your leg will grow back. That's good. Thank you so much. What a wonderful, wonderful submission. And congratulations on being able to sing at the Kennedy Center. Just incredible. And dancing queen. Hell yeah. All right, next up from lok or loke pronouns they and them. Hi Ag and dg. Today I want to do a little self shout out. I'm a listener from Sweden and I have for the last two months been helping out with an international puppeteering event called the herds. A herd of animals are slowly assembling and moving up through Africa and Europe to put focus on climate change. I've been helping to lead the Swedish volunteer workshop and when they get here, the herd will be over 100 animals strong with local animals from every county visited joining in. This is incredible. Here's a fantastic article in the Guardian about the project. We'll have a link in the show notes as Podpet tax please see my reindeer Esperanza, named by a Chilean puppeteer who volunteered with us and made the head and a badger pup I found in my garden last night as extra. So these are incredible. Hi badger pup. Wow. Wow. This is amazing. All right, so we'll have that Guardian article in the show notes for you. Thank you for that. Next up from rs, pronouns she and they. Hi Beans Queens. Thanks for what you do. I want to give a small self shout out for making small progress to minimize or remove support for companies like Amazon. I have recently canceled my Kindle unlimited subscription and switched to the other E reader apps Special Shout out to Libby, the digital library app. You can link to your local library. I did this too rs. I canceled audible and I went to my local library and used their app for their digital books. I've also been taking part in using the five calls app and writing postcards to my local representatives. My pod pet tariff. I do have my own pets, but still wanted to link to an adoptable pet in my area to help get them a forever home. Biscuit is a calm, affectionate male golden colored Yorkshire terrier listed with the Arizona Humane Society up for adoption. We'll have a link in the show notes. P.S. on a recent episode, in April's episode Star 67, during the Good news segment, Dana lamented what it must be like to be a woodpecker and finding out you just have to jam your beak into a tree over and over with Allison replying that's how it feels right now with banging one's head into a wall. I know animatics are typically done for comedy or TTRPG podcasts, not news ones. But can someone please animate that clip because I 100% pictured the rest of the good news segment being given by bird versions of Dana and Allison. This was not helped by another submission with someone thanking them for baby birding us the news. I wish I had the animation skills to create animatics myself. Okay, same right. I always think of stuff that I want to put out there and I don't have the skills to make it. Like I wanted to do a two weeks montage of Donald every time Donald Trump said something would be done in two weeks and then and interspersed clips of Tom Hanks saying two weeks and what's her name, the other lady that was in Money Pit saying two weeks and the construction guy saying two weeks and the lady from Total recall saying two weeks over and over again. But I you know I just by the time I would finish it it would be out of the news but two weeks will come up again to be fair. Thank you for this. Look at this Sweet puppers. Thank you so much RS and thanks to everybody for sending in your good news. Please send in your good news and find a local nonprofit or your non profit and tell us about it. I want to put put some eyes on them. All right Dana, we'll be back in your ears tomorrow. Thanks to Martha Barnett that was such a treat to speak to her and and meet her and I really appreciate you all and I will be back in your ears tomorrow with Dana. 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