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Episode: This Is The Beginning of the End for Trump: Wolff
Date: November 7, 2025
Host: Joanna Coles
Guest: Michael Wolff

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the surprising political reversals in the wake of recent elections, from Virginia to New York, and asks whether the era of Trump’s dominance may finally be ebbing. Michael Wolff, renowned Trump chronicler, joins Joanna Coles to dissect the week's results, the psychology of Trump and his circle, and what shifting dynamics mean for the Republican Party and American politics more broadly. The conversation ranges from the specifics of redistricting battles and the nature of GOP loyalty, to media narratives and the personal dramas surrounding Trump and his circle.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Political Shift: Is This the Beginning of the End for Trump?

• Wolff posits that American politics is defined by reversals and the seemingly impossible becoming reality:

  "The end of Trump could well happen. That's what happens in American politics. That's one of the great things in American politics. Reversals, landslides, things that you would not dream of happening, happen." (01:58, repeated at 13:17)

• The results in Virginia, New Jersey, and New York (notably Zoran Mamdani's win) represent a major challenge for Trump and the GOP’s narrative.

2. Trump World’s Reaction to the Election

• White House insiders are less concerned with policies or movement and more worried about managing Trump’s moods:

  "I was on the phone last night with some White House people who were not happy campers about this...It's not their personal 'our movement is being defeated.' It's like, 'oh, fuck, the weather's bad.'" (02:55)

• Any bad news must be reframed in either a conspiratorial context ("the fix was in") or as secretly beneficial by providing a new foe or narrative.
• The California/Prop 50 redistricting is cast by Trump as a stolen election/conspiracy. (05:07)

3. Trump’s Method of Processing Events

• Trump seeks out validation and perception over actual facts:

  "He wants to know, he wants someone—he's watched television, but he wants someone else now to explain, to go over, rehash the television that he's seen...and that commentary will supply the script for everyone else." (07:26)

• Unlike rational politicians, Trump is "innumerate" (can't or won’t analyze numbers) and will double down on his base rather than strategically shift.

  "He doesn't get [numbers]. He manipulates. He just exaggerates them. They are what he wants them to be." (10:31)

4. Rational vs. Trumpist Political Response

• Traditional politicians respond strategically to polling and voting trends; Trump reacts by reinforcing his existing stances.
• Trumpian politics seeks enemies and scapegoats rather than accountability:

  "Who can I blame? Who can I make the enemy? Who can I lay this on?" (17:04)

5. Redistricting Battles: “Tit for Tat”

• Texas gerrymandering directed by Trump prompts California's Prop 50 in response, illustrating an escalating, nationwide battle for control of the House (05:16–05:36).
• The broader implication: the 2026 midterms may be more neutral than expected, disrupting the usual "out-of-power" party advantage.

6. The GOP’s Structural Loyalty and the “Trump Trap”

• Republican operatives are portrayed not as malicious but as trapped:

  "You get trapped in your career as a Republican...The Republican Party is the Trump Party. So you either have to make that decision to leave your career and identity and livelihood behind." (22:05)

• Notably discussed through the lens of Mike Johnson, John Thune, and especially J.D. Vance.

7. J.D. Vance as a Case Study in Political Opportunism

• Wolff dissects Vance’s shocking transformation from "public intellectual" and critic to Trump acolyte and now VP contender (24:26-29:16).

  "Never in modern politics has there been a rise like this—as fast and as high." (24:26)

• Vance's book Hillbilly Elegy is described as "the best political book of any politician" and "a writer's book."

8. The Enduring Paradox of Trump’s Popularity

• Despite all, Trump’s personal magnetism and popularity persist, while his imitators (like Vance) remain "unfailing unpopular" and "craven":

  "Trump seems real. The guy has told more lies than anyone in the history of dissembling, yet seems real. All these other people are transparently false." (44:41)

Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Wolff on Democrats’ newfound optimism:

  "There's a sort of glimmer this morning...everybody feeling optimistic about a sense the Democrats aren't entirely over yet. There is some resistance." (14:34)

• On Marjorie Taylor Greene’s political instincts:

  "It's more interesting to see her as someone who knows which way the wind is blowing." (16:18)

• On Trump's loss of narrative control:

  "Remember, Trump's gift, his preternatural gift, that he will change the subject by tomorrow." (11:25)

• On loyalty to Trumpism:

  "They work for Donald Trump...they're intelligent. Well, not intelligent enough to leave and not moral enough to leave." (22:05)

• Humorous exchange on Melania and the infamous “I don’t really care, do u?” green coat:

  "I would guess not [Barron pursuing politics]. I don't think—she has not found this political adventure personally...well, certainly not personally satisfying. And I think maybe personally she's found it kind of revolting. Often revolting." (36:33)

• On Trump’s “unique” response to setbacks:

  "With Trump, it’s always redoubling, it’s never backtracking." (06:16)

Key Segment Timestamps

• Trump’s era may be ending – [01:58 & 13:17]
• White House insider discomfort; managing Trump – [02:55]
• Making bad news “good” and conspiracy framing – [03:36–05:07]
• Trump's morning routine, dependence on TV – [07:02]
• Difference between Trumpian and “rational” politicians – [08:59–10:55]
• Redistricting battles & consequences – [05:07–05:36]
• Republican operatives feeling trapped – [22:05–23:18]
• JD Vance’s transformation and analysis – [24:26–29:16]
• Listener limerick about Trump's "kingdom careening toward its tomb" – [42:34]
• Melania/Beast questions and legal GoFundMe – [36:18–41:36]
• Trump's enduring popularity vs. “minions” – [43:02–44:41]
• Closing thoughts: Is this an autocracy? – [45:03–45:22]

Tone & Style Highlights

• Lively, wry, and fast-paced conversation mixing deep political analysis with irreverent humor
• Frequent digressions into political history, media, and personal anecdotes
• Critical but not defeatist: both skeptical of overnight reversals and open to political hope
• Playful engagement with listener questions and inside jokes

Conclusion

Wolff and Coles argue that while reports of Trump’s end may be premature, the 2025 elections mark a significant shift, offering proof that political fortunes can and do change fast in America. Even as Trumpism remains resilient, cracks are showing in the façade—amongst the party apparatus, its chosen minions, and the media environment it has long controlled. This “glimmer” of resistance and reversal, they suggest, is both a cause for optimism (or at least relief) and a reminder that, for better or worse, nothing is ever truly permanent in American politics.

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