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The Daily Beast Podcast

Episode: Trump Aides Are Secretly Prepping for His Downfall
Host: Joanna Coles (Chief Content Officer, The Daily Beast)
Guest: Michael Wolff (journalist and author)
Date: December 21, 2025

Overview

This episode dives deep into the growing turmoil inside Trumpworld, focusing on mounting GOP defections, the treatment of ambitious women in MAGA ranks, Trump’s erratic behavior, and the under-examined question of presidential cognitive health. Joanna Coles and Michael Wolff, drawing on Wolff’s years reporting inside Trump’s circles, illuminate how Donald Trump’s unpredictability, and those around him prepping for possible collapse, defines not just his presidency, but also the broader shape of U.S. politics as the 2026 midterms loom.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Exodus of Women from Congress and MAGA

• Marjorie Taylor Greene’s warning of a "stampede" of women leaving Congress sparks discussion: Many women see little future under "Donald Trump’s party" and are lured by media opportunities (02:32).
• Elise Stefanik’s high-profile departure is unpacked—from MAGA star and Trump loyalist to a dramatic exit after being denied the promised UN Ambassador seat and gubernatorial support (13:14–19:02).
  • Michael Wolff: “[Elise Stefanik] has now bagged it. I mean, dramatically bagged it. Like, like, fuck you bagged it.” (13:29)

Key Insight:

Absolute loyalty to Trump yields few rewards and often breeds resentment, leading even MAGA’s biggest female stars to abandon the sinking ship.

2. Politics as Personal Loyalty and Betrayal

• Wolff explains why traditional media coverage misses Trump’s essence: He is not a politician—his government’s direction hinges entirely on his moment-to-moment moods (03:41).
• Trump’s handling of scandals follows a set pattern: Deflect by pointing at Bill Clinton, a tactic recycled since the "Access Hollywood" controversy (08:41).

Notable Quote:

Michael Wolff: “No one comes out of a relationship with Donald Trump and saying, great, that great guy... It all comes a cropper 100% of the time.” (03:00, 22:59)

3. The Epstein Files and Old Patterns

• The recent Epstein files release is largely a PR maneuver to damage Clinton and protect Trump, with names of Trump’s associates heavily redacted (07:07).
• Bill Clinton broke the ex-president code of silence to defend himself, a move Wolff calls unwise (08:41).

4. MAGA Infighting and Future Leadership

• MAGA’s fragmentation is plain after Charlie Kirk’s death, with fierce infighting at Turning Point’s Arizona rally: Ben Shapiro attacks Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens as "frauds" and "grifters" (56:39–57:20).
• There's speculation whether media figures will run for office or pursue lucrative media roles as the movement’s future leadership remains uncertain (60:36).

Memorable Quote:

Ben Shapiro at Turning Point:
“These people are frauds, they are grifters and they do not deserve your time.” (57:14, read by host)

Wolff: “Right wingers are actually great speakers, whereas the Democrats… you just snooze.” (57:20)

5. Trump’s Mental State—increasingly the Elephant in the Room

• Trump’s public behaviors—rambling about Melania’s underwear at rallies, odd fixations, rapid-fire rants—are characterized as "fetishistic" and "disinhibited" (30:44–31:41).
• Wolff and Coles compare his symptoms to cognitive decline/dementia, highlighting the lack of serious public discussion about a president’s mental health (36:27–48:46).
• Comparison to Biden: Wolff notes "double standard"—no institutional mechanism to diagnose presidents, and all aides cover for their boss.

Notable Quotes:

Wolff: “Susie Wiles might have just as well said it’s like dealing with a dementia patient. I mean, it is the same thing.” (36:27)
Coles: “Would you have had Joe Biden driving your child to school? Absolutely not. Would you have Donald Trump driving your child to school? Absolutely not.” (52:51)

6. The Trump Branding Obsession and Grandiosity

• Trump’s campaign to put his name on the Kennedy Center and even possibly the Lincoln Memorial is seen as clear grandiosity, evocative of dementia-related behaviors (40:55–48:46).
• The Kennedy family’s outrage over the rebranding push is noted; the hosts mock the unchecked nature of Trump’s actions ("Who is going to stop him?").

7. The 2028 GOP Field and Susie Wiles’ Influence

• Marco Rubio is floated as a 2028 candidate; his recent bilingual press conference is praised as a "traditional" display of competence.
• Susie Wiles is cast as a kingmaker whose measure of success may be whether Rubio becomes the nominee (53:03–55:23).

8. On Life in Congress and the Toll of Politics

• The hosts describe being a congressperson as "depressing": low pay, constant fundraising, little advancement, and endless constituent complaints, further driving ambitious figures out (27:12).

Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Trump’s relationships:
  “It all comes a cropper 100% of the time. No one comes out of a relationship with Donald Trump and saying, great, that great guy.” – Michael Wolff (03:00; reiterated at 22:59)

• On Elise Stefanik:
  “[She] has now bagged it. I mean, dramatically bagged it. Like, like, fuck you bagged it.” – Michael Wolff (13:29)

• On Trump branding everything:
  “For the President of the United States to put his own name on anything is weird.” – Michael Wolff (48:07)

• On presidential cognitive health:
  “There is no way to diagnose the President… And this is not different now from Donald Trump.” – Michael Wolff (38:10)

• On the congressional experience:
  “It’s depressing being a congressperson.… You’re just like a bureaucrat and you have no hope of… advancing beyond that.” – Michael Wolff (27:12)

• On party infighting:
  “These people are frauds, they are grifters, and they do not deserve your time.” – Ben Shapiro at Turning Point, quoted by Joanna Coles (57:14)
  “Right wingers are actually great speakers, whereas the Democrats completely milquetoast. You can’t listen to them for… more than a few seconds.” – Michael Wolff (57:20)

• On mental decline parallels:
  “Susie Wiles might have just as well said it’s like dealing with… a dementia patient.” – Michael Wolff (36:27)

Notable Segments (Timestamps)

• 02:32–05:19 – Why women are leaving Congress; the dangerous future for female politicians in MAGA
• 13:10–19:06 – Deep dive on Elise Stefanik’s journey & abrupt exit
• 20:04–22:27 – Power struggles: Mike Johnson, Susie Wiles, and intra-party animosity
• 29:29–32:11 – Trump’s erratic rally behavior; questions about his mental state
• 35:04–40:55 – Comparing Biden and Trump’s cognitive decline, absence of any system to confront it
• 53:03–54:04 – Marco Rubio’s ambitions and Susie Wiles’ power moves
• 56:06–57:20 – Ben Shapiro vs. Tucker Carlson: MAGA infighting at Turning Point rally

Original Language & Style Highlights

• Wolff’s wry, occasionally sardonic tone: “No one comes out of a relationship with Donald Trump and saying, great, that great guy.”
• Joanna Coles’s signature dry humor and sharp observation: “In England we would call them knickers, but at least knickers has a kind of comic twist to them.”
• Balanced between biting political commentary and personal anecdotes—such as Coles’s interview with Iris Murdoch (“I’m falling, I’m falling...”) (61:16).

Useful For Listeners Who Haven't Tuned In

This episode provides an insider’s view of Trump world unraveling—important departures from Congress, behind-the-scenes loyalty feuds, how Trump’s unpredictable leadership style destabilizes both the party and the country, and the silent panic among advisers prepping for a potential meltdown. The discussion on presidential cognitive health—linking private family struggles to national politics—adds urgency and humanity lacking in mainstream coverage.

The episode is especially valuable for listeners following the Republican Party’s future, the fate of ambitious women in conservative politics, and the creeping normalization of erratic leadership at the highest level.

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