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Andrew Loney
So Andrew basically has been thrown under the bus. And of course if some of the Epstein material gets released as we hope, I think that's going to open up a whole new can of worms.
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Joanna Cole
I'm Joanna Cole, this is the Daily Beast podcast and close followers may remember that eight weeks ago we had on the author Andrew Loney to talk about his book entitled the Rise and the Fall of the House of How little did Andrew know quite what impact that book would have? Last week saw the King stripping Prince Andrew of his royal titles and banishing him from the 30 room Royal Lodge to a much smaller farmhouse in a corner of godforsaken Norfolk, which is rainy and windy on the Sandringham estate, though there is very good grouse shooting. Just pointing that out, but I've spent a lot of time in Norfolk so I happen to know that the weather there is frequently grey. Anyway, of course there was also then the follow on publication of Virginia Giuffre's book Nobody's Girl. But what this is all amounting to is the adjacency, indeed the friendship and the Lying about the friendship with none other than Epstein. Epstein. Epstein. So no time to waste. Let's get into it with Andrew Loney and talk about his role in stripping Prince Andrew of his royal titles. Andrew Loney, welcome back. Last time, I'm very pleased to say, we had you on the podcast on the day of the release of your book entitled subtitled the Rise and Fall of the House of York. And the fall has continued since the publication of your book and of course, the publication of Nobody's fool by Virginia Giuffre. Can you bring us up to date with what on earth is happening with Andrew, formerly known as Prince?
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Andrew Loney
Well, I mean, he's been sent, in effect, into exile, exile in Britain. So he. I mean, finally, the palace have got to grips with this scandal. They're actually trying to get ahead of it. They realized that public opinion was way ahead of them. The public opinion was very concerned about all the information that was coming out. And as you say, the Virginia Giffre book, I think it really sort of personalized and humanized the story. But we'd had a whole series of leaks showing that his links with Epstein went on for much longer than he claimed. He was basically, basically lying. And that's true of Sarah Ferguson as well. So the King felt he needs to act. I mean, people were asking bigger questions now about the monarchy, its purpose, its finances, and they kind of wanted to shut that story down. So Andrew basically has been thrown under the bus to save the rest of them. And so he, at the moment, he's going to Sandringham, the royal estate, which is a private estate, it's not Crown estate property, so therefore nothing to do with the taxpayer. His wife, who claimed to be very loyal to him, is now become less loyal. Since he's no longer a prince and living in Royal Lodge and is going off to Portugal or Switzerland, he may well end up going to the Middle east, because there are also calls for him to be investigated for his sexual and financial crimes. And that's coming from the former head of Royal Security, from a former chief prosecutor in Britain. And so I don't think the story is over for him. And that's why the royal family is so keen to distance himself from him. So there's a good chance he may end up actually going physically abroad. Abroad into exile to somewhere where there isn't an extradition treaty. Wow.
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Joanna Cole
I mean, this is such an extraordinary development, isn't it? Because when you came on in September, you were talking about your biggest hope was that they would be somehow pulled off the public financial role, so they were no longer supported. Is this much wilder than you could have imagined?
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Andrew Loney
Oh, absolutely. The whole thing has been almost a perfect storm. But there was clearly a deep public resentment about the way some of the royals, particularly these two, had operated, and that kind of emerged. And I think, you know, particularly seeing there was a recent appearance of them at a funeral where people felt they were pretty shameless and tried to sort of grandstand it. And that, I think, was another factor. But I think there's clearly been underlying sort of concern about how elites have operated in their own interests, taking advantage of other people. And I think it plays into that sort of trope at the moment. But, yeah, I never expected this reaction.
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Joanna Cole
Congratulations. And as many people say, you couldn't be more of the establishment. You're a Cambridge educated historian and here you are now really causing some serious movement within the establishment. So can you just talk us through what Andrew is alleged to have done and why it might be that he can't just stay in exile in the uk, but he actually has to move to a country with no extradition order. What is it actually, that he's most likely, do you think, to be accused of? And then let's talk about people that used to work for him now beginning to tell on him, as it were.
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Andrew Loney
Yeah, well, I'm getting. I'm getting, you know, two or three people a day coming forward, quite senior people, former protection officers and staff people who I think, want to get on the right side of history or don't feel. Feel more emboldened. Now, I think the most likely charge is malfeasance in public office or misconduct in public office, which carries life imprisonment. And there are, I suppose, elements to this. One is recently in a leaked email, it was shown that he had tried to get a public official, his ppo, to investigate Jeffrey and indeed smear her. So that's one element.
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Joanna Cole
Can you just remind Americans what a PPO is?
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Andrew Loney
Sorry, A PPO is a police protection officer. So these are the close protection officers around him. So someone who had known him very well, but is paid for by the taxpayer, reports to the Metropolitan Police. I think there's other things. I mean, he was looked at 20 years ago by the National Crime Agency or certainly MPs called for it. And this is for his time as a special Trade Envoy, where he basically was lining his own pockets. Those things, I think would be grounds for investigation and I think for charges to be brought. And in the past, no one has really dared go there for a member of the Royal family, the Met sort of skirted some of this stuff, particular stuff around sex trafficking.
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Joanna Cole
The Met being the Metropolitan Police.
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Andrew Loney
Sorry, you need to have a little dictionary with me. And so that the Metropolitan Police looked at some of the sex allegations and said there was nothing to see. Well, the Office, for basically scrutinizing the police for independent policing has now come forward and said, look, you need to look at this properly. I mean, I found even when I put in a Freedom of Information request, they wouldn't even tell me whether they investigated Andrew or not. So we've got that. We've got a private prosecution being launched by Republic, the anti monarchist group. We have the former head of Royal Security and the former to say, head of the Prosecution Service for the north of England, saying that there are grounds for him to be possibly charged. So there is a sort of groundswell. And I think public opinion still feels he hasn't been held to account properly. The only thing that's changed is he's moved house and he's no longer Prince. He hasn't really had to explain himself. And we've now got the Senate Oversight Committee wanting him to give testimony if necessary, by zoom. We've got people calling for him again to talk to the FBI, to talk to the lawyers, to the lawyers of the victims. So there's a groundswell of opinion that that is really pushing. And the Royal Family were sort of behind all this. They thought they had seized the initiative last Thursday by getting rid of the titles, getting him out of Royal Lodge, but I think they still haven't gone far enough.
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Joanna Cole
I mean, there was something so sinister about one of the emails that got released, I think as part of the email dump from the Oversight Committee, which had him saying several months after he'd said that he'd cut off his relationship with Jeffrey Epps Epstein. You know, we're on the same side, don't worry. Looking forward to playing together again soon. Is there a suggestion that he slept with more of Jeffrey Epstein's network of young women than just Virginia Giuffre?
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Andrew Loney
So, yes, of course, there are lots of women who are connected with him. There were several interviewed during some of the legal cases who pleaded the Fifth Amendment. There's a woman who has now emerged in the Men on Sunday Hero paper, has written about without identifying her as a victim. I've certainly come across women who I think were sex trafficked to him. And actually, one of the other interesting things is that Andrew was passing some of his girlfriends to Epstein, and one of them, who later married a Very rich banker. I think many more names will emerge, many more victims. I think now feel confident of coming forward. We're going to see more leaks from I think some of these legal depositions and of course if some of the Epstein material gets released as we hope, I think that's going to open up a whole new can of worms.
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Joanna Cole
The irony is that in many ways the accusations against Andrew were always hiding in plain sight. I mean his tabloid nickname and the way he was referred to by the British reporters was as Randy. Andy, you have in your book a riveting chapter about how he behaved sometimes when he went on royal tours. For those who haven't read the book, can you recount his weekend in Thailand?
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Andrew Loney
Yes. Well, one of the episodes, I think it's 2004 where he goes to the King of Thailand's celebrations paid for by the taxpayer. And this is material, this is source material. So Ian Proud, a diplomat who's actually subsequently written more about this. It was one of my sources. Another is a man called Andrew McGregor Marshall, who's the Reuters correspondent there. And I had a member of the Thai royal family and they all said Andrew insisted on going to this very expensive hotel because he liked the nightclub in the basement. He didn't go to see stay in the residence of the ambassador. And in the course of four days he basically had 40 prostitutes brought to him. He was swapping them with an Arab prince who was also in the hotel. And he even went on a trip to Chiang Mai with his half Thai mistress, Sonia Cooling. So I mean he was very open about it. I think the whole point about Andrew's activities is he didn't operate alone. He was enabled and protected by his staff, by diplomats, civil servants, by the palace. So I mean they've changed the tune now and they clearly kind of want to expose him. But this wouldn't have happened without all these people supporting him. And I think that's what's so extraordinary. I got a story this morning about him in Hong Kong where he took the whole floor of the landmark hotel and was entertaining prostitutes there. I got stories of him being paid to open golf courses and one of his requests was 16 year old blondes. There's a story I tell in the book from the continent, South Africa, where his private secretary asked if said we have here's a list of requirements, he only drinks water at room temperature, he likes weeder bricks for breakfast and by the way, he likes blondes. And the diplomat replied, I'm a diplomat, I'm not a pimp.
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Joanna Cole
I remember that quote from the book, it's an excellent quote. Yeah. Incredibly brazen and amazing that it's taken until now. And also, you have had personally issues reporting this book, correct?
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Andrew Loney
Yes. I mean, you know, we had some legal letters from Sarah Ferguson, attempts to intimidate me, saying they're monitoring my social media. Foreign Office told diplomats not to talk to me. We've had various papers like Vanity Fair actually interview me and then not run the story. We've. I've had my social media people have had to take. Had to cut the comments because there was a whole campaign of critical comments. I've had stories spread about me that I wanted young white escorts, underage escorts.
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Joanna Cole
Right. I mean, they were trying to slime you in the way. It turns out he was trying to get his protection officers to slime Virginia Giuffre.
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Andrew Loney
Absolutely. And I think I report in the book on how a PR firm was brought in to go after Giuffre. And that's what I'm told they've done with me. So there's a sort of concerted campaign to undermine anyone who is trying to tell the truth about this story.
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Joanna Cole
So what on earth was Sarah Ferguson making of all this? Because she must have known that he was spending weekends roaring through 40 prostitutes. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein is said to have had an insatiable appetite and needed to have at least three massages with a happy ending every day. Not happy ending for the girls delivering them, of course, but the idea of getting through 40 prostitutes over a weekend, I mean, I mean, it's sort of imagination boggles. But what do we think that Sarah Ferguson and his daughters knew of this behavior?
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Andrew Loney
Well, that's a good question. I mean, Sarah Ferguson has stayed on a regular basis at Epstein's home. She must have noticed it was pretty unusual sort of things going on there. So there are more numbers actually for Sarah Ferguson in the Little Black Book than for Andrew. So, you know, I think she knows a lot more. She should be a material witness for the FBI. I think, you know, Sarah was. Was with him often when. And. And the children, when they were introduced to P. Diddy and. And Peter Nygaard and all these people who subsequently been charged with sexual assault. So the. You know, there's a famous picture at Pietros Pentrus, Beatrice's 18th birthday party, with Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and. And Ghislaine Maxwell as sort of some of one of the most important guests. So this was a world that they were operating in the whole time. And I think the daughters were taken once Epstein had come out of prison. I mean, there was like a special trip to sort of celebrate with Epstein. So they must have been aware of.
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Joanna Cole
What was going on, but they were prepared to do that and introduce their children to a sex offender because they were so in need of his money.
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Andrew Loney
Yes. And I think, you know, there were sort of double standards going on because on one side, Sarah Folkeson was supporting sex trafficking or against sex trafficking charities rather, and a children's writer. And at the same time here she was quite happy to mix to stay at the home of a convicted pedophile. And, you know, I just think that there was a certain hypocrisy about the way they behaved, but partly because they wanted money and I think in the end they didn't really care. It wasn't something that worried them. I think Sarah Ferguson must have known a lot of this stuff. There were times when actually Andrew cut short family holidays in order to go to Little St. James and spend time with. With Epstein.
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Joanna Cole
So how is Prince Andrew going to manage for money? He's being turfed out of Royal Lodge, which he paid a peppercorn rent for, which was literally two peppercorns. I believe he's going to live on the Sandringham estate. How does he manage for money?
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Andrew Loney
I don't think Andrew has any problems with money. I mean, he's inherited money from the Queen Mother. I think probably from the Queen. He has made money from various business activities and we know from looking at his accounts that monies were transferred. There was all the business he was doing in China with the alleged Chinese spy, Ten Bottom. We know that he's been doing business in the Middle east, often paid in gifts rather than in money. He doesn't have to pay any rent at all now. I think he's just basically been housed by his brother. He's going to be given an allowance by his brother. He's been given at least £500,000, so 6, $700,000 as part of this repairing lease. I've been told he's actually been paid millions of pounds to move. That was the incentive. So I don't think there's any problem about money. This idea that they're poor is ridiculous.
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Joanna Cole
And we are back with Andrew Loney talking about the fall of the House of York. Okay, so how bad is this for the British royal family? We have King Charles who's got cancer. We have Prince William sort of limbering up to take over at some point, though. Though it's unclear when, obviously. How bad is this for them?
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Andrew Loney
Well, I think it was very bad until Thursday. I thought I publicly said I think this was the most dangerous moment for them until since the abdication. I think they've seized the initiative since then by being pretty ruthless. They've won a lot of respect for that. William, I think, understood the problem. I think possibly Camilla and Kate as well. And so I think what they've done is gone down very well with the public, who 90% were pretty appalled by Andrew's behavior. But I think what it's done is it's now raised wider questions, which are questions the royal family don't really want to respond to, which is about royal privilege and accountability. So people are now asking questions about people in grace and favor houses who are not working royals, whether they're paying market rent or are basically being given pretty cheap accommodation, which is what the case with Andrew and we found repeatedly with other members of the family. So, for example, the two daughters have flats or cottages at St James's palace and Kensington palace. And no one knows because they're not working royals, why they should have them.
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Joanna Cole
Those are Andrew and Fergie's daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie.
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Andrew Loney
Yes. Sorry. So the York daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie, have accommodation in, in royal palaces, though they're not working royals. And I think people are asking questions about that. There were calls 20 years ago for a royal Register, like a parliamentary register, where people would register their business interests. And this is true of some of the people on the periphery of the Royal family. People like Zara Phillips, Mike Tindall, Peter Phillips. So these are children of Princess Anne and their husband. So there's a sense that we need, that we want more. People are calling for more parliamentary accountability. The rules were that MPs were never allowed to question anything about the Royal family. I think people are trying to change that. They were exempt under the Freedom of Information Act. Their attempts to get those exemptions changed so that they can be asked questions. And we also have the question of royal wills, which are sealed, which would reveal how money is passed down from generation to generation. And one can understand that perhaps within the direct line of succession, but many very obscure minor royals are protected. And I think people want a little bit more openness about the two very rich estates, the Duchy of Cornwall, which is run by the Prince of Wales, and Duchy of Lancaster, which is run by the King. They're making huge sums of money from them and often, often taking advantage, for example, charging parking in hospitals, which people feel is not really very suitable for them. There was a sovereign. The way they have their money is called the sovereign grant. And they've been given it a percentage of basically the incomes coming in to some of these estates. But they're making a lot of money, particularly from wind farms on the seabed around Britain, because they own the seabed immediately around, around the perimeter. So people are just thinking they're making a lot of money. We don't know how they're making the money. They're not paying taxes. A lot of these estates, there are a lot of very shady trusts which are paying out money. For example, the sale of Andrew's wedding gift house, Sunning Hill park, which was bought by the son in law of the President of Kazakhstan, someone he was doing business with. They paid £3 million over the asking price, even though there'd be no interest in the property for a period of five years. So there are lots and lots of questions being asked which the Royal family would prefer not to have to answer.
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Joanna Cole
So, Andrew, a serious question. Do you think the British Royal family actually survives?
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Andrew Loney
Yeah, I think they'll survive, but I think they'll only survive if they adapt. They're very good at doing that. They did that when there was a public outcry after Diana's death that there needed to be more sort of a response to that. So the Queen did a broadcast, the flags were lowered and they got through that. Crisis, they'll get through this crisis. But I think increasingly there's a sense that they become less and less relevant. There are fewer of them to do the jobs now with Andrew out of the way, Harry and Meghan out of the way. So I think we're going to move to this much more slimmed down monarchy, a much more European style, just the direct line of succession. I think, think we now have got a precedent for people losing their titles. So I suspect Harry, Meghan, Beatrice and Eugenie and all these people will have their titles taken away at some point because they're not working royals. And I think the focus will be more on good works than on pomp and ceremony.
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Joanna Cole
I mean, I understand that they're reducing the number of working royals, but one of the things that seemed to be a statistic, which we've talked about on the podcast before, is that one in six British people have met a member of the Royal family. And there's no doubt that if you do meet one of them, especially at an event, if they're opening a new factory or they've turned up at some charity event, that people tend to warm towards them. So isn't it a sort of vicious circle that if you have fewer working members of the Royal family, fewer members of the public meet them and there's fewer people to support them?
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Andrew Loney
Well, I think the problem is the cost and people get very concerned about supporting them. If they were all working royals, then that would be one thing, but a lot of them don't want to be working royals. And I mean, Princess Anne's children, she didn't want to have titles and they had their own careers. I think that'll happen with Prince Edward. So we're actually left with not many of them wanting to do the job in the first place. And I think we just have to accept that we're not going to meet so many men. So many people are going to meet the royals. And all the jobs that they used to do will have to be done by what are called deputy lieutenants, who are their representatives in each of the counties. But I think also recent research has shown that actually the royals don't necessarily raise more depending on the royal, but they don't necessarily add to the coffers of charities. And actually they can, with, for example, Andrew and Sarah, be counterproductive. So I think there's a new thinking about the role they play. Well, live by Buckingham palace and often have to cross St. James's park when there are events going on. And certainly, for example, the big events like trooping at the color, which used to have lots of British people there. My experience is actually filled just with tourists. So there's a sort of curiosity value about the royal family. But I think most of us kind of, kind of see them as a slight irrelevance. So I mean, you know, there's definitely a role there, but I think the younger generation are less interested.
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Joanna Cole
So you think Prince William will be a much more modern European style, possibly bicycling royal?
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Andrew Loney
Yes, I mean, I think William does want to sort of make it a more low key thing. I mean, he wants to get the balance, particularly now with his family. Right. So he doesn't. His father and other members of the family is a sort of workaholics and everyone respects him for that. But it's been very damaging to their own family lives. And I think, I think William's very keen to get that balance right for himself and for other members of the family. I don't think he's going to be more open than the others. I think he's actually more secretive than his father. So the transparency a lot of people are calling for I think may take some time, but, you know, they may adapt. The fact is that, you know, there is pressure on them now to be more transparent and they may, just for their own sakes survival, accept their need to make concessions.
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Joanna Cole
Andrew, what do you know about Prince Andrew's relationship with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein? Because we've also got pictures of them together.
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Andrew Loney
Well, Donald Trump claims not to, not to have met Andrew, though there's plenty of photographic evidence. I mean, they were close. They had the same interest in women and golf and making money. And I've certainly got lots of testimony of them meeting. In fact, Andrew was kind of the designated role for Trump because of the golf interest, interests. And you know, Andrew went to Mar a Lago. There are pictures of him there with, with Melania and with Gwendolyn Beck who was one of the people supposedly he took to, to the island. Now there's plenty. I mean, they went off and played golf. Andrew was designated to show Trump Ryan when he came on his first state visit. So the, you know, the links between them are pretty extensive.
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Joanna Cole
So Andrew, can you take, take us inside the family dynamics of the decision to strip Prince Andrew of his title because we know there's William waiting in the wings.
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Andrew Loney
According to what I've heard and read, the decision to strip Andrew of his titles last week was pretty much driven by William Charles. But I think Charles had been heckled. He could see the comments in the paper, lots and lots of editorials, including a front page of the New Statesman saying is this the end of the monarchy? And I think they realized they needed to act. And I think Camilla was probably quite instrumental here. She was very instrumental in adding a note to the statement that they were thinking for the victims and that was the most important thing. They I think realized that the wider questions were being asked and they needed to basically seize the story and make it their own.
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Joanna Cole
Was there a sense in which the King was reluctant to. Because there has been this sense that he was trying to, you know, reconcile with Harry by Harry coming over for a visit recently and also trying to sort of, I thought, help Prince Andrew. But perhaps I'm wrong.
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Andrew Loney
Yes. No, I think the King Charles is very sentimental. It's his younger brother. I think he gave an undertaking to the Queen that he would take care of the brother, the runt of the litter as he's called. And so I think he found it very difficult to make these tough decisions. I mean the narrative that's been spun from Buckingham palace is it was very much the King's decision. He's been thinking of doing this for a long time. I think people just eventually got both fed up with Andrew and his stubbornness insistence in staying in Royal Lodge despite the bad optics. But also I think they could just say see the way public opinion was going and they were going to be in big trouble. So it will be interesting to see how things play out over the next few weeks. Even whether people are now satisfied that justice has been served or will look for more. And I think that they will be looking for more that Andrew hasn't really been fully held to account for his actions. He hasn't given a statement explaining everything in his relationship with Epstein and that he is I think vulnerable to charges being brought against him.
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And we're back with Andrew Loney talking about whatever happened to Prince Andrew. So Andrew, one of the things that has certainly happened over the last few years is that the British Royal Correspondence for the tabloids and the broadsheets in the UK have become much more timorous of writing about the royal family it's one of the reasons reasons that your book entitled got so much attention because you were incredibly robust in your reporting. Are you noticing a change at all?
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Andrew Loney
Yes, I am and I welcome it. So I've noticed that a number of journalists I thought were very much on side and reliant on the Royal family for their tip offs are now much more critical. I mean some of the new books that are coming out again are much more questioning of the royals. So this is good. I do feel there is a change of mood and certainly the press have been running some quite hard hitting investigations. They've been running leaks which I don't think they would have written before. They're criticizing even the King and the Prince of Wales. And so there's a complete sea change, I think in attitudes which is welcome. I mean I think if they have nothing to hide, they should have no problems about having this proper scription.
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Joanna Cole
So let me ask you why. One final question. Andrew is now going to be referred to as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. There is a certain irony to this because his fall from grace is to do with his connection to Jeffrey Epstein, a sexual predator. But in taking the name Mountbatten, he also has a connection to a predator that you wrote another book about.
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Andrew Loney
Well, one of the ironies is one of my previous subjects, Lord Mountbatten, who was Prince Philip's uncle and has now emerged having had a very distinguished public career as for example the last Viceroy of India. It's been revealed, revealed in my book, that he was a pedophile. There's actually a case going through the courts in Belfast about a young boy who was trafficked him from one of the boys homes there. So this is on top of the two witnesses I had and indeed the FBI files I found talking about his pedophilia. So there is a second paedophile in the family with the same surname now as Andrew who we used to know as Prince.
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Joanna Cole
Good Lord. Well, William has his work cut out for him when he eventually takes over. Andrew, thank you very much for joining us. And I'm glad your book is going to up the best seller list again.
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Andrew Loney
Thank you. Yes, it's gratifying and it's good that in some ways these issues are now being aired which I've been calling for for years and nothing was done. So I really feel confident that there's going to be some change.
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Joanna Cole
Great. Well, Andrew Lowney, thank you very much. And if you haven't read it entitled the Rise and the Fall of the House of York, well I guess you'll be rapidly coming out with an updated edition of it, won't you?
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Andrew Loney
We will. It's going to be called Untitled.
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Joanna Cole
Okay, Andrew, thank you very much for joining us.
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Andrew Loney
Thank you.
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Joanna Cole
It's really quite unfathomable the number of men who have lost their entire livelihoods because of their connection to Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew is just the latest. The question is is who will be next and when will that be? If you have been thank you for joining us. Don't forget to leave a comment on this podcast. Please subscribe and subscribe too to the Daily Beast. We are independent media and we really appreciate your support and I think we feel confident to do stories that other people don't dig into quite as much. And if you haven't been this week, be Beast and a shout out out to all our Beast tier members of our Daily Beast community where you get tons of interesting free content and all sorts of access to Daily Beast journalists. So that's Herbie, Andrew Mellor, Sandra Clark, Bonzo, Val Love, San Francisco Bocock D.C. karen White, Heidi Riley, Connie Rutherford, Sharon Shipley and Andrea Hodel. And big shout out to our production team, Devon Rogerino and Yvonne Erson and our editor Jesse Millwood.
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