A Cease-Fire in Iran

Summary

The Daily: "A Cease-Fire in Iran"

Date: April 8, 2026
Host: Rachel Abrams
Guest: David Sanger, Chief White House Correspondent, The New York Times

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Episode Overview

This episode unpacks the sudden and dramatic announcement of a two-week ceasefire between the United States and Iran, narrowly avoiding a significant escalation in their latest war. Host Rachel Abrams and journalist David Sanger take listeners inside the fraught final hours before the agreement, the different perspectives of the U.S. and Iran, the role of Israel, and the broader consequences for the region and the world. The episode probes whether this ceasefire is a meaningful turning point or just a temporary pause in an ongoing and volatile conflict.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Ceasefire Terms and Immediate Tensions

[01:01 – 04:35]

• The U.S. and Iran agreed to a 14-day pause in hostilities, just before an 8 p.m. deadline set by President Trump that could have led to major escalation.
• David Sanger explains that while Trump claims the Strait of Hormuz will be “fully reopened,” Iran’s official stance is that safe passage will occur only under the supervision of Iran’s armed forces. This “daylight” between the two sides’ statements foreshadows trouble (03:30).
• Key commodities trapped by the conflict—oil, fertilizer, helium—are critical to the world economy.

“If you just read President Trump’s announcement, you’d think that the Strait of Hormuz was just being thrown wide open… But [Iran] said... safe passage would only be possible by coordinating with Iran’s armed forces.”
—David Sanger [03:30]

2. Israel’s Role and Response

[04:35 – 05:16]

• Israel’s involvement is discussed. Initially attacking Iran alongside the U.S., Israel’s support for the ceasefire is lukewarm, with their official statement merely “supporting President Trump’s decision,”—notably without enthusiasm.

3. Escalation to the Brink

[05:44 – 12:06]

• Sanger details the path to brinkmanship: U.S. economic pressure from the blocked strait, missed deadlines by Iran, and a major crisis—the shootdown of an American fighter jet and the subsequent high-risk rescue operation, which emboldened Trump.
• Following the rescue, Trump’s social media threats reached a new level of severity, including explicit threats of annihilation directed at Iran.

“Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran. Open the fucking strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in hell. Just watch.”
—President Trump (read by David Sanger) [08:21]

• These unprecedented threats prompted alarm and discussions about the President’s fitness for office, with bipartisan calls for invoking the 25th Amendment.

“He is a genocidal lunatic.”
—Candace Owens [12:57]

“It is vile on every level.”
—Tucker Carlson [13:12]

4. Last-Minute Diplomacy and Ceasefire Announcement

[14:04 – 15:35]

• Despite extensive troop movements, it wasn’t clear if military escalation was truly imminent or a pressure tactic.
• Diplomatic channels, particularly via Pakistan, remained open. Just after 6 p.m., Trump announced the two-week ceasefire, bringing relief to global markets and militaries alike.

5. Fragility and Implications of the Ceasefire

[17:14 – 19:09]

• Sanger cautions the deal’s fragility, noting that “ceasefires are fragile by nature” and that Iran’s new leverage over Strait of Hormuz traffic may not be relinquished easily.

"For the President, he said basically, it's gotta go back to the way it was. But... the Iranians have now discovered this is their greatest leverage."
—David Sanger [18:06]

• The ceasefire’s immediate test: Does commercial traffic resume freely through the strait?

6. Hard Questions About U.S. Goals and Effectiveness

[19:09 – 22:22]

• The original U.S. motive—preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon—has receded from focus, likely to resurface in upcoming negotiations.
• Trump’s negotiating consistency is questioned; the White House may emerge having accomplished little beyond what existed before the conflict.
• U.S. and Israeli strikes inflicted significant damage, but Iran’s fundamental power structure and military capabilities endure.

“If this ceasefire essentially becomes permanent... the White House will have accomplished virtually none of its major goals.”
—David Sanger [22:28]

7. Long-Term and Global Consequences

[23:55 – 27:08]

• The war’s impact will echo for years:
  • Iran discovered its power to disrupt global commerce.
  • Regional powers feel more vulnerable.
  • The world faces renewed supply chain insecurity.
  • America’s reputation as a “benevolent superpower” has suffered serious damage.
• The U.S. has again been "sucked back in" to the Middle East, against explicit goals set by the White House.

“Whether the world ever views the United States quite the way it did before this happened, I’m not sure that’s going to be back for a long time.”
—David Sanger [26:45]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The entire world has been holding its breath for the last two days as President Trump ratcheted up the threats…” —Rachel Abrams [01:51]
• “The President had hinted that if the Iranians don’t relent, he was going to begin to go after power plants… The Iranians came back and basically said, if you wipe out our power plants, you can say goodbye to the power plants around the Gulf.”
  —David Sanger [07:25]
• “A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will.”
  —President Trump (read by David Sanger) [10:09]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:33 – The ceasefire is announced.
• 02:22 – Details of the U.S. and Iran terms of the deal.
• 05:44 – How events escalated to the brink, including the fighter jet incident.
• 08:21 – Trump’s social media threats.
• 12:57 – Bipartisan and MAGA-aligned calls for the 25th Amendment.
• 15:35 – The ceasefire announcement brings global relief.
• 17:14 – Assessing the reality and effectiveness of the ceasefire.
• 19:09 – Future negotiations and the nuclear issue.
• 22:22 – What the U.S. and its allies have (and haven’t) accomplished.
• 24:33 – Discussion of enduring regional and global consequences.
• 26:45 – Reflections on America’s standing in the world.

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Summary

Described as a day of "the whole world holding its breath," this episode features a deeply reported, candid discussion on the last-minute ceasefire between Iran and the U.S., highlighting both the brinkmanship and the fragility of the agreement. The hosts explore the conflicting perspectives of Washington and Tehran, Israel’s wary stance, and the extraordinary rhetoric and political crisis triggered by Trump’s threats. They frame the ceasefire as both a potential step toward negotiation and a possible temporary off-ramp, with much remaining unresolved—including Iran’s nuclear ambitions and the U.S.'s standing on the global stage.

The socioeconomic and geopolitical aftershocks—power dynamics, regional vulnerability, and U.S. credibility—are cast as enduring and transformative, even as immediate military escalation has been averted. The episode ends with skepticism about whether anything meaningful has been gained, and somber reflection on the world’s altered perception of American power and reliability.

Transcript

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[David Sanger]

We have a deal for now

[Rachel Abrams]

from the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams and this is the Daily The US And Iran have both confirmed that they have agreed to a two week pause.

[Fox News Correspondent]

Appears Iran has accepted President Trump's terms

[David Sanger]

subject to the immediate opening of the Strait.

[Fox News Correspondent]

Just in out of Iran, a statement read on state run media instructing all military units to follow the suppression Supreme Leader's order and stop firing.

[Rachel Abrams]

Just hours before a Trump imposed deadline that could have led to a massive escalation in the war with Iran, the United States and Iran appeared to reach a temporary ceasefire. Today. Chief White House correspondent David Sanger explains what led to this last minute deal and what it would take to make it stick. It's Wednesday, April 8th. David Sanger, thank you so much for taping with us at 9:35pm on this Tuesday night.

[David Sanger]

It's been a wild day, Rachel.

[Rachel Abrams]

I can imagine, David. It feels like the entire world has been holding its breath for the last two days as President Trump ratcheted up the threats on Iran to open the Straits of Hormuz, which included Tuesday morning when he basically threatened to wipe out the entire country. And just hours before the 8pm deadline that the President had given Iran to make a deal, both the United States and Iran announced that they'd reached some kind of temporary ceasefire. What do we know about what they actually agreed to?

[David Sanger]

Well, we've been trying to sort that out because the American accounts and the Iranian accounts, as you might imagine, don't completely match up. But what President Trump said was that Iran and the US have agreed to a 14 day ceasefire. During that time, he said Iran would commit to making sure that the Strait of Hormuz would be fully reopened and that that would allow this bottleneck of ships full of oil, full of fertilizer, full of helium for semiconductor production to begin flowing again and relieve these huge shortages that have been wracking the world economy. We don't know exactly when that will happen, but the American bombing of Iran stopped almost immediately.

[Rachel Abrams]

Okay, so that is What Trump agreed to, David, but you mentioned that it did not really seem like both sides were on the same page when the ceasefire was first announced. What if the Iranians said that they agreed to.

[David Sanger]

Well, if you just read President Trump's announcement, you'd think that the Strait of Hormuz was just being thrown wide open the way it was before the war started. But if you read the statement that came out a few minutes later from Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Aragachi, who's quite experienced, has been involved in many of these negotiations over the years. He said that Iran will cease their defensive operation for a period of two weeks and that safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz would only be possible by coordinating with Iran's armed forces. So that means that in the Iranian vision, the Iranian military will retain the control that it seized in the past five or six weeks. And who knows at what pace they're going to allow ships to pass, whether or not they're going to allow them to just pass freely or charge them tolls or. We just don't know.

[Rachel Abrams]

Okay, so obviously some daylight between these two statements, room for interpretation. But we have not talked about another country that is a major actor here, and that is Israel. Israel, of course, attacked Iran along with the United States. That is how this war started. Has Israel said anything about this agreement? Do we know that they are party to it? Where do they stand?

[David Sanger]

Well, the White House told us that Israel had agreed to the terms. And then later in the evening, the Israelis turned out a statement from the prime minister's office saying they support President Trump's decision. But it was interesting wording because they didn't say that they were terribly enthused about it.

[Rachel Abrams]

I just want to step back for a second, David, because it feels kind of stunning that literally just a few hours ago, this threat to wipe out an entire country was on the table. The two sides weren't even talking to each other. We had no idea what this threat meant. It just sort of felt like any possible option was on the table until very, very recently. So how did we get to this point where we are now with both sides having reached a temporary ceasefire agreement?

[David Sanger]

Rachel, you'll remember, as we've discussed on earlier shows, the president was feeling more and more pressure as the effects of the closing of the. The Strait of Hormuz was spreading around the world. So at first, he lashed out and he said to the Iranians, you have 48 hours to get the strait back open. And the Iranians kind of ignored him. And then starting on March 26, he said, okay, there are 10 days to get a negotiation going. So he set this 10 day clock essentially to Tuesday evening at 8pm but as the weekend approached, the Iranians were ignoring him. There was very little communication underway, and the Iranians were mocking the President on social media for all of his changing deadlines. Then this all got interrupted by a sudden crisis that distracted everyone from all of this. This was, of course, the shoot down of the F15E fighter jet on Friday. The pilot and the weapons officer both ejected and no one could find the weapons officer.

[Rachel Abrams]

Right. That was actually the subject of Tuesday's episode. This unbelievably daring, costly rescue operation of this weapons officer, which they pulled off on Saturday. And that, as our colleague Eric Schmidt told us, seems to have emboldened President Trump as he sort of begins to pick up where he left off with these negotiations and threats with Iran.

[David Sanger]

That's exactly right. And remember, before the shoot down of the plane, the President had hinted that if the Iranians don't relent, he was going to begin to go after power plants, he said, and he suggested other infrastructure. And the Iranians came back and basically said, if you wipe out our power plants, you can say goodbye to the power plants around the Gulf. Of course, all of this was put aside during the hunt for the missing airmen. But by Sunday morning, Easter Sunday, the President was over the high of retrieving the colonel and he was right back in his set of demands. And that's what turned out to be the first of two truly bizarre social media posts.

[Rachel Abrams]

And what was that post?

[David Sanger]

Well, I'll read it to you, Rachel. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. So we'll set aside for a moment the pretty undiplomatic language. It actually led people to believe that the President might be willing to go escalate and escalate significantly in a way that would get us even deeper into this war.

[Rachel Abrams]

So basically, by Sunday, it sounds like two very important things have happened. One is that the White House is crowing from this huge victory of rescuing this airman and this daring operation. But countering that is the fact that the President is still not getting what he wants from Iran. And as you mentioned, the tension is ratcheting up and this Tuesday night deadline is looming and they are barreling toward it.

[David Sanger]

That's exactly right. And on Monday, the President dug the hole even deeper. First he went out on the South Lawn during what's usually the very charming Easter Egg Roll, with children running around and standing next to the Easter bunny, he began to ratch threats to Iran and talk about the depth to which he would destroy their infrastructure. And then he began to say, you know, we will destroy Iran's bridges, their electric power plants, and so forth, and we will do it in hours on a scale no one has ever seen before.

[Rachel Abrams]

It was more specific, and therefore it seemed again, like it was ratcheting up this rhetoric.

[David Sanger]

That's right. And here in the office, we were asking the same question that was being asked all over the country, which is, was he truly determined to go that much deeper into an unpopular war, or was he simply using these threats as a tactic to try to see if he could get the Iranian system moving? And then Tuesday morning, just as people were pouring their coffee at a little after 8 in the morning, comes another social media message that actually rivaled the Sunday one. Let me read that one to you too, Rachel, please. A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change where different, smarter, less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We'll find out tonight.

[Rachel Abrams]

Even for a president that breaks norms all the time, in terms of how he speaks to the public and the threats that he makes, the rhetoric that he makes, this social media post was far beyond anything we had ever heard Trump say before. This was a threat to wipe out 90 million people.

[David Sanger]

That's right, Rachel. Or certainly that's how I think we read it. And most everyone read it. And it suggested many different things. I mean, the first is the president wasn't simply discussing defeating the Iranian government or going after nuclear sites. Here he was talking about committing what would essentially be a huge war crime. And there was response all over the place.

[Democratic Critic]

I think that Trump has lost his mind.

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[David Sanger]

Democrats, of course, were calling for invoking the 25th Amendment, you know, in which the Cabinet meets and determines that the president is unable to carry out his duties and temporarily puts the vice president in place. His Cabinet has a responsibility, and we need to be invoking the 25th Amendment.

[Democratic Critic]

He should be removed using the 25th Amendment immediately.

[David Sanger]

But it wasn't just Democrats.

[Conservative Commentator]

How do we. 25th amendment is asked.

[David Sanger]

Even within the MAGA movement, there were great critics of this. Alex Jones.

[Conservative Commentator]

The problem is to get the 25th Amendment's harder than impeachment. You have to get 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate. So what do we do? Tackle Trump and let him pretend he's president and publicly report that he's going through a health issue and Vance takeover? It literally needs to be something like that. It's that bad.

[David Sanger]

Marjorie Taylor Greene and Candace Owens, who were talking about the 25th amendment. Candace Owens says the 25th amendment needs to be invoked. He is a genocidal lunatic. Tucker Carlson called Mr. Trump's post vile.

[Fox News Correspondent]

It is vile on every level.

[David Sanger]

And suggested that those people who are

[Fox News Correspondent]

in direct contact with the President need to say, no, I'll resign.

[David Sanger]

Maybe people shouldn't be following these kinds of orders.

[Fox News Correspondent]

I'll do whatever I can do legally to stop this, because this is insane. And if given the order, I'm not carrying it out.

[David Sanger]

And then there are some, like Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who's usually a little more reticent about criticizing the President, who said, this simply is not how Americans speak and how presidents ought to speak.

[Democratic Critic]

I do not want to see us start blowing up civilian infrastructure. I do not want to see that we are not at war with the Iranian people. We are trying to liberate them.

[Rachel Abrams]

So by the end of the day, David, what have you and our colleagues learned about how real this threat is like? Is there evidence that the military has mobilized in any way to launch any kind of massive attack?

[David Sanger]

Well, we saw lots of mobilization of aircraft moving from the United States to Europe and Europe on to the Middle east, but we've been seeing that for the past five weeks. So it was hard to tell whether this was more of the same or a true escalation. But certainly there were so many American forces in the Middle east that if the President wanted to make good on this threat, he could. And of course, the clock was ticking all day on Tuesday, but we were still hearing the echoes of some kind of negotiation taking place indirectly through the Pakistani Foreign Minister and the Pakistani Prime Minister. And then at a little after 6 o', clock, the President announced that he was once again calling a time out here. Suddenly there was a ceasefire, a new two week long deadline, and everyone from market investors to the military to many around the Gulf just breathed this huge sigh of religion.

[Rachel Abrams]

We'll be right back.

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[Rachel Abrams]

So, David, as you described, this moment of ceasefire seems to be this huge relief. But how real does this deal actually feel? And what does it actually mean?

[David Sanger]

Well, it could mean the end of this war, or it could mean just a brief pause. Ceasefires are fragile by nature. We're going to have to see if anybody violates it. And even if they have the discipline to keep it in place, we have to determine if the traffic that's going through the Strait of Hormuz is getting back to what it was before February 28th when the fighting broke out. And of course, we're going to be in a situation now where the Iranian military actually still controls who's going through the strait. That wasn't the case back in February, right, For the President, he said basically, it's gotta go back to the way it was. But the fact of the matter is, the Iranians have now discovered this is their greatest leverage and it's not a power they are likely to give up anytime soon.

[Rachel Abrams]

So is that the biggest test of the ceasefire? Whether we see all these ships going through the strait?

[David Sanger]

That's the immediate test of the ceasefire. But remember, the ceasefire is only the means to an end, and its purpose is to allow the time and space to go negotiate on the bigger issues. It took two and a half years, Rachel, to negotiate the 2015 agreement between the Obama administration and the Iranians. And that was in peacetime. You can imagine how difficult it will be now at a moment when the Iranians feel like this war left them empowered to that point.

[Rachel Abrams]

At the outset of the war, the US said that one of its big reasons for going to war was in fact to, among other reasons, keep Iran from making a nuclear weapon. That feels very absent from these discussions. Why is that?

[David Sanger]

Well, the nuclear weapons issue is presumably the first issue they're going to have to take up in these negotiations over the next two weeks. And it's going to be hard. And the reason it's going to be hard is, first of all, the President himself has been all over the map here. Before the war broke out, he said the United States cannot tolerate Iran having any nuclear material, any of its stockpile left in the country. It all had to go. Then about a week and a half ago, he said, you know, I don't really care. It's buried so deep we can watch it by satellite. And now it's likely he's back to the negotiating position they were taking before the war, which is Iran cannot be left with any nuclear material. And if the President left a significant amount of near bomb grade uranium in Iran, he would be getting less out of the Iranians than Barack Obama got out of them in 2015. And frankly, it's hard to imagine that the President wants to read that he went to war with Iran and didn't get the material that was the reason for this conflict at the start.

[Rachel Abrams]

Well, that makes me wonder about the effectiveness of these talks overall and how we should be thinking about them. The threat to annihilate a whole country, is that something that brought them to the table for meaningful negotiations to end the war and get demands that the United States actually wanted? Or is this ceasefire just a temporary de escalation that serves to save face more than anything else.

[David Sanger]

It gains nothing we didn't have before the war began. But I think you have to give credit to the President because this ratcheting up of pressure certainly played some role in forcing an agreement. It's not clear whether or not it actually terrified the Iranians because their decision making process is so spread out among the military and the clerics and so forth. It's not clear who was making these decisions, but it certainly scared the region and I think it scared the Chinese who were highly dependent on oil moving through the strait. So there were pressure points that the President was able to take advantage of.

[Rachel Abrams]

David, on the off chance that this temporary Ceasefire leads to a permanent ceasefire. What will the White House, what will the United States have actually gained from all of this?

[David Sanger]

Look, I think the United States and the Israelis have accomplished a lot. They took out in the opening hours of the war the Supreme Leader, they devastated levels of the military and intelligence and nuclear establishment. They set back the missile program and the missile production program. But if this ceasefire essentially becomes permanent, with no change in Iran beyond the restoration of traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, then the White House will have accomplished virtually none of its major goals. The country is still run by a military and theocratic group of elites who have terrorized their own population. They still have their nuclear material and could, in theory, try to go rebuild and race for a bomb. They still have missile supplies and drones, not on the scale that they did before the attacks, but we've learned that they could rebuild fairly quickly. And most importantly, I think they still have a sense that they were able to stand up to the United States and Israel and resist against a much larger invading force.

[Rachel Abrams]

David, we've talked on the show quite a bit about how you can't put everything back together that has been broken by this war, meaning that the economic impacts, the political impacts are not going to just go back to the status quo. Even if the war ends tonight or in two weeks, so much infrastructure has been destroyed, so much has been done to make these impacts ripple for potentially years to come. And so I wonder what consequences specifically you think, as of this moment, feel like they are enduring.

[David Sanger]

Well, a few things. First of all, the Iranians have discovered that they have a greater power than they knew over commerce around the world. Second, the Gulf States feel more vulnerable. They've built these big beautiful cities full of skyscrapers, and they've entered the 21st century. And what do they discover? That the Iranians can put missiles through their windows and through their desalination plants. The world economy feels more fragile because we've discovered yet another supply chain vulnerability. And we've discovered that while the United States thought one more time that it had gotten out of the Middle east, an explicit goal in the President's national security strategy that came out last fall, in fact, it's been sucked back in on a scale few could have imagined even a few months ago. And I think there's a last thing we've learned. The world's never really approved of the amount of power the United States has had, but it's usually signed up to the thought that the US Was fundamentally a benevolent superpower in the past. And yet I think we lost a lot of that reputation in this attack on Iran, that there was a sense that the president was never committed to the February diplomacy, that there was a sense that he thought he could topple a weak regime, that he could go out and threaten the lives of 92 million people, and that the threat came from a president who oversees the world's most powerful military. And so eventually gas prices will come down and eventually oil will flow more naturally, and over time the damage of the war will be rebuilt the way it was in Japan and Germany and Vietnam. But whether the world ever views the United States quite the way it did before this happened, I'm not sure that's going to be back for a long time.

[Rachel Abrams]

David Sanger, thank you so much.

[David Sanger]

Thank you, Rachel.

[Rachel Abrams]

We'll be right back.

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Here's what else you need to know today. Shelly Kittleson, an American journalist who was abducted in Baghdad by an Iraqi militia aligned with Iran, was freed on Tuesday after a week in captivity. Kittleson has reported on the Middle east for more than a decade for various news outlets, and she was set free in exchange for the release of several imprisoned members of the militia. The kidnapping comes amid growing anxieties about Iranian backed militias attacking American targets since the United States and Israel led war with Iran began. Today's episode was produced by Michael Simon Johnson, Olivia Natt and Mooj Sethi. It was edited by MJ Davis Lynn with help from Paige Cowett. Contains music by Marianne Lozano, Alicia Ba Itoub and Dan Powell. Our theme music is by Wonderly. This episode this episode was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. Special thanks to Afim Shapiro. That's it for the Daily I'm Rachel Abrams. See you tomorrow.

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