A Fragile Cease-Fire in Gaza
The Daily
Release Date: January 16, 2025
Hosts: Michael Barbaro and Sabrina Tavernise

Introduction

In this episode of The Daily, Sabrina Tavernise engages with Patrick Kingsley, a seasoned journalist who has been covering the Israel-Hamas conflict since its inception. The discussion delves into the recently brokered temporary ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, exploring its terms, the negotiations behind it, and its implications for the region.

Overview of the Ceasefire Agreement

Sabrina Tavernise introduces the main topic:

"After more than a year of war, Israel and Hamas have agreed to a temporary ceasefire."
(00:34)

Patrick Kingsley outlines the structure of the ceasefire:

"In essence, it's a three-stage ceasefire that could, if all goes well, end up being a permanent truce."
(02:40)

Key Components:

1. First Phase (6 Weeks):

   • Hostage Release: Hamas and its allies are to release 33 hostages, primarily alive, some deceased.
   • Prisoner Exchange: Israel will release several hundred Palestinian prisoners.
   • Troop Withdrawal: Israeli forces will gradually withdraw, allowing approximately 300,000 displaced Palestinians to return to northern Gaza.
   • Continued Negotiations: Ongoing talks to potentially extend the ceasefire into the second phase.

2. Second Phase:

   • Potential for Permanency: Aimed at making the ceasefire permanent with more hostages released and additional prisoners freed.
   • Negotiation Challenges: Disagreements remain, particularly regarding the exact withdrawal points for Israeli troops. Kingsley explains:

     "The wording allows Israel to say that they can break the arrangement after six weeks... And it provides the possibility for Hamas that the ceasefire will extend beyond 42 days into something permanent."
     (04:23)

3. Third Phase:

   • Final Exchanges & Reconstruction: Involves the return of deceased individuals' remains and the initiation of extensive reconstruction efforts in Gaza over several years.
   • Kingsley remarks:

     "The third phase would not be significantly different from the second phase, but there would be final exchanges of dead bodies and other human remains, as well as the start of a massive reconstruction project."
     (05:38)

Factors Leading to the Ceasefire

Sabrina Tavernise probes why the ceasefire emerged after prolonged conflict:

"Why, after all these months, is this ceasefire finally happening now?"
(05:56)

Patrick Kingsley identifies three main factors:

1. Israel's Strengthened Position:

   • Military Successes: Israel has weakened Hamas and its allies, including the destruction of key infrastructure and leaders like Yahya Sinwar.
   • Regional Impact: Significant blows to Hezbollah and Iran, leading to the collapse of the Syrian government.
   • Public Perception: Allows Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to present the ceasefire as a position of strength rather than capitulation.

2. Hamas's Weakened State:

   • Loss of Leadership and Resources: Continuous military pressure has degraded Hamas's capabilities and morale, making them more amenable to negotiations.

3. Political Pressure from the Incoming Trump Administration:

   • Diplomatic Push: The Trump administration, particularly envoy Steve Witkoff, exerted pressure on Netanyahu to reach a deal.

   • Kingsley notes:

     "Steve Witkoff came to Israel last week, met with Netanyahu... Trump... may have been the decisive factor in getting this deal over the line."
     (06:19)

   • Cross-Administration Collaboration: Uniquely, representatives from both the Biden and incoming Trump administrations worked together to finalize the agreement despite differing political agendas.

     "Representatives of two administrations that really don't see eye to eye... joining forces to get this deal over the line."
     (10:30)

Implications of the Ceasefire

For Gazans:

• Immediate Respite:

  "For Gazans, it is, at least for a few weeks, respite from one of the most intense aerial campaigns and ground invasions."
  (12:26)

• Return and Reconstruction:

  • Opportunity to reunite with family and begin the arduous process of rebuilding a devastated infrastructure.
  • Kingsley highlights the dependency on international aid:

    "They're going to rely on massive overseas help from the rest of the Arab world, from the United Nations."
    (13:25)

For Hamas:

• Survival of the Movement:

  "The deal gives them the chance of survival... they may be able to survive the war both intact as a movement and in power as a governing force in the Gaza Strip."
  (13:50)

• Contradiction to Initial Israeli Goals:
  Israel initially aimed to eliminate Hamas's governing capabilities, but the ceasefire allows Hamas to retain power despite territorial devastation.

For Israel:

• Short-Term Relief and Public Sentiment:

  "In the short term, it brings also some respite, also some joy to an Israeli society that has been traumatized."
  (15:37)

• Political Ramifications:

  • Netanyahu's Position: Extending the ceasefire could destabilize his coalition government, potentially leading to early elections.

    "If he does agree to take this from a six week deal into a longer arrangement, they could leave his coalition, potentially destabilizing it."
    (16:07)

• Long-Term Regional Power:

  • Military Dominance vs. Diplomatic Strain:
    While Israel's military might has grown, its reputation has suffered due to allegations of war crimes, impacting diplomatic relations, especially with the Arab world.

    "In reputational terms, Israel has dealt itself damage by the way it has been perceived to conduct this war."
    (17:59)
    "Militarily, yes, Israel has weakened Hamas... it is simply too powerful militarily to be wished away."
    (19:00)

Conclusion

The temporary ceasefire between Israel and Hamas marks a pivotal moment in a protracted and devastating conflict. While it offers immediate relief and a glimmer of hope for a permanent peace, significant uncertainties remain. The delicate balance of political pressures, military strengths, and humanitarian needs will determine the sustainability of this truce and its long-term effects on the Middle East.

Notable Quotes

• Unnamed Gaza Resident on Ceasefire Hopes:

  "Well, I've been waiting this moment for 15 months. Finally, I cannot hear any drones... I want to go to see my daughters, to hug them, to feel like they are still alive."
  (00:34)

• Patrick Kingsley on Negotiation Ambiguity:

  "The wording allows Israel to say that they can break the arrangement after six weeks... and that ceasefire will extend beyond 42 days into something permanent."
  (04:23)

• Patrick Kingsley on International Collaboration:

  "Representatives of two administrations that really don't see eye to eye... joining forces to get this deal over the line."
  (10:30)

• Patrick Kingsley on Israel's Military vs. Diplomatic Standing:

  "Militarily, yes, Israel has weakened Hamas... it is simply too powerful militarily to be wished away."
  (19:00)

Additional Context

While the episode primarily focuses on the ceasefire in Gaza, it also touches upon broader political developments in the United States, including confirmation hearings for Donald Trump's Cabinet pick, Pam Bondi, and President Joe Biden's final remarks on misinformation and the tech industry's role in it.

Produced by Stella Tan, Alex Stern, and Moosh Zaidi. Edited by Chris Haxel, Lisa Chow, and Paige Cowett. Contains original music by Diane Wong and Marion Lozano, engineered by Alyssa Moxley.