
On Monday evening, the death toll from the flooding in Central Texas rose past 100. A single place accounted for 27 of those deaths: Camp Mystic, a century-old Christian summer camp for girls. Erin Paisan, who attended Camp Mystic, explains what the place meant to generations of girls.
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From the New York Times. I'm Michael Bavaro. This is the daily. By Monday evening, the death toll from the flooding in central Texas had surpassed 127 of them from a single place, Camp Mystic, a century old, all girls Christian summer camp. Today, the story of what that camp meant to the generations of girls who attended it. I spoke with one of them, Erin paisan. It's Tuesday, July 8th.
Interviewer
Well, Aaron, thank you for making time for us. We really appreciate it.
Erin Paisan
You're welcome. I. It's been a hard three days for a lot of us in the mystic community. My first year at mystic was 1975, when I was 10 and my mom sent me for five weeks.
Michael Bavaro
And how many years did you end.
Interviewer
Up at Camp Mystic?
Erin Paisan
Okay, so it was a bubble in, tumble in, look in, look out. Idiots.
Interviewer
Idiots. That's the name of a cabin.
Erin Paisan
Idiot's Delight was the name of it. I was there six summers. I was not there as much as a lot of other people, but it was just a very special place for me in the years that I've spent there.
Interviewer
Yeah, those are very formative years.
Erin Paisan
Yes.
Interviewer
Well, Erin, that's what we want to talk to you about. What Camp mystic means to people, what it meant to campers like you, and why it occupied such a big place in the lives of so many people. And I wonder if you could take us back to the very beginning of Camp mystic for you, talk about your first impressions of this place.
Erin Paisan
Let me tell you about how I chose Camp Mystic. My older brother went to Camp Stewart, which is on the other fork of the river. And when we were down there picking him up, we went across a bridge that crosses the waterfront of Camp mystic. And all these girls were out on the riverfront splashing and playing, and it was just so beautiful. And I was 6 years old, and I said to mom, I want to go to that camp. And that's how I ended up at Camp Mystic. I was not one of those kids who was on a generational list.
Interviewer
Just explain that. Generational list.
Erin Paisan
It was such a special place that generations of women wanted to send their daughters or granddaughters. And there was only a certain amount of space. So if you wanted your daughter or granddaughter to go, you had to get on the list early. And some people thought it was birth.
Interviewer
Get on the list at birth.
Erin Paisan
And my mom was a single parent of four children. We were not like an elite family. And somehow my mom, I don't know, I got off the list and went.
Interviewer
Well, paint a picture of what this place is like. For the younger version of you, when you arrive, clearly you had an idea of it from seeing it from the waterfront with your brother. But when you actually get there, so.
Erin Paisan
Let it be known that I packed my trunk in December. I was so excited.
Interviewer
December for a summer that was many, many, many, many months away.
Erin Paisan
I was second term. I wasn't even first term. I went in early July. And when that day finally comes, you get on that bus with a lot of older girl campers that have gone for years, and these are girls who are in high school, and you're like. And you're heading down toward the hill country. And the best part is you're looking for the mystic sign. There is a lighted sign that overlooks the river. And so as soon as you start to see the mystic sign and turn that corner, everyone just starts screaming because they are so excited to go through those gates. And people get off of that bus and they go running for their friends from the summer before.
Interviewer
I just so struck by the excitement and the joy that you are conveying in this moment. I mean, you are very far removed from this experience, but you're right back there.
Erin Paisan
Well, listen, I am not lying. And you could have my two daughters on this call who know that when I die, my ashes are to be spread at Camp Mystic.
Interviewer
Wow.
Erin Paisan
It runs that deep. For people who went to that camp, it was a very, very safe space. You know, it just was a clean slate. No one knew what you were like at school every day. No one knew that I was the geeky kid. I just was a Camp mystic girl. I didn't even have a present father. I didn't know what anybody else's father did or how much money or the size of the house they lived in. It was a space where people could come, and it was a level playing field.
Interviewer
You're describing an experience of being anonymous in the best possible way, because from what you're saying, you didn't have an idyllic childhood.
Erin Paisan
I felt different from. My mom was a busy mom. She was one of the only divorced parents when I went off to camp. So I did not have an idyllic childhood. I had a privileged childhood. But, you know, just because you're privileged doesn't mean that things are always going well at home. And I think a lot of kids were grappling with themselves and they came to mystic, and it was just a place to be a child.
Interviewer
What did it mean to be at a camp with only other girls?
Erin Paisan
Well, I didn't have an older sister. I had an older brother. And he was great. But I looked up to girls. I don't think I understood that at the time. It was also a place where you could just be silly. And I don't know that I would have been silly in front of boys at that age. There were all kinds of shenanigans always going on in Camp mystic between these girls. I mean, there were pranks.
Interviewer
What's your favorite shenanigan?
Erin Paisan
I probably shouldn't mention this one, but you would be standing in line waiting to get into the dining hall, and someone would just come up and yank your pants down to your ankles. I mean, it was those kinds of crazy, funny. We rolled around in the mud and we threw mud at each other and, you know, just.
Interviewer
You were free to be exactly who you wanted to be in that moment.
Erin Paisan
Yep.
Interviewer
At a time, I guess we should say, when you're just figuring out who you are.
Erin Paisan
Exactly. And it was so easy because it was such an beautiful place.
Interviewer
Well, just describe this beautiful place. The layout, the geography. Once you're there, you're off that bus. What do you see and what do you feel?
Erin Paisan
The road into mystic is something I still dream about on a regular basis. You. You roll through the gate and on your left is a huge swath which is called the golf course. But I think it's used for a lot of different things. But it's a very open field with the background of the. The hills. It is spectacular view. And that's where the mystic sign at night is lit up and shines over the river and then the waterfront, which was what initially drew me. We spent a lot of time having campfires down by the water. And the smell. Oh, you know, what is the smell? The smell is the trees and the cedar and the river.
Interviewer
I wonder if you can spend a little more time on that river. Clearly, it's what drew you into this place and what is it like and what role does it play in the life of the camp?
Erin Paisan
The river is like a character because if you had an 8 o' clock swim class, you were dreading going in that river because it was frigging cold. But it was also a place of refreshment. They had these huge floats on the river that you could swim out to and jump off of. There was a diving board, there was snorkeling, there was canoeing. And we spent a lot of time having campfires down by the water. There was a song called Peace I Ask of the O River, and we sang it at bonfires. And then there was the.
Camp Mystic Song
There's a camp on The Guadalupe River. It is the camp of my dreams where the whippoorwills call softly and the bright moon beams There's a camp on the Guadalupe river where hearts are loyal and true Camp Mystic. I will pledge my true and faithful love to you.
Erin Paisan
I sang that to my children in the middle of the night when they were babies.
Interviewer
What does it feel like to sing that song right now?
Erin Paisan
It's just. It's heartbreaking. It really is, honestly. You know, I live with a man who, when he can't sleep, he plays a golf course in his mind. I go straight to the river at Camp mystic, and it calms me because at night, the way that the bonfires, the campfires on the river happened, where everybody lined up by cabin, and oftentimes we were holding candles and you sang all the way to the river and. And you brought a towel, and you sat in the cool, wet grass, and the river was just like glass some nights.
Host
Mm.
Interviewer
Calm.
Erin Paisan
Calm.
Interviewer
So in the restless version of your night, when you see this river, you see the calm, idyllic version.
Erin Paisan
Yeah, I just go to Camp mystic in my mind. You know, I just picture being there and how I felt, and it really calms me.
Interviewer
Aaron, were you or anyone else in the camp ever instructed to think about this river, which is clearly the source of so much joy and activity? Were you ever told to see it as something that could be dangerous?
Erin Paisan
Well, not from a flooding standpoint, but nobody ever went near the water without a counselor near them. Now I do. Okay, here's one thing I do remember. The thing I was most afraid of was someone crossing the river in the middle of the night because there were so many horror movies out, you know.
Interviewer
And, oh, an outsider somehow getting across the river to the campers?
Erin Paisan
The camp was very protective of campers. You know, their safety was numero uno, know? And so they had a night watchman, and he sat in a waterfront chair with a shotgun every night.
Interviewer
Wow.
Erin Paisan
I felt protected. You know, there was a lot of protocol around safety there, but not around flooding? No, no, not prior to 70.
Interviewer
We'll be right back. Aaron, when did you come to understand that flooding was a potential danger at this camp?
Erin Paisan
1978. I was 13, and I don't really even remember it raining all that hard. When we went to bed, I was on the top bunk, and in the middle of the night, I mean, you could start to hear the rain really coming down. It woke me up, and I got up and I looked out, and there was this huge cypress tree right next to the creek. At the top of this cypress tree, there was a light that lit the way up the hill, and the water was just below the light.
Interviewer
Wow.
Erin Paisan
And I was terrified. And I can't remember whether my counselor was already up and could see what was going on, but I walked over to her and I said, we gotta get outta here.
Interviewer
You could tell that this was flooding?
Erin Paisan
Yes. So we were all told that we were gonna be moved up to a cabin called Angel's Attic.
Interviewer
So you were pretty much evacuated from your cabin?
Erin Paisan
Yep. We didn't have food for a couple of days.
Host
Hmm.
Erin Paisan
And what I do remember was cars going down the river, deer, animals, all kinds of big things that you're just like, oh, my God.
Interviewer
Wow.
Erin Paisan
And the golf course looked like the Pacific Ocean. I just couldn't believe I was looking out on all this water that was just raging. And then what really resonated with me was how devoted the staff was to keeping everybody safe. The water was starting to recede a little bit, but it was still raging. And I remember watching with horror, as a counselor, they were trying to get food over to us, like peanut butter sandwiches or something from the dining hall, and they got on a horse, and I remember watching them try to get across, and I was like, please, God, please, please don't let anything happen to these people. Like, everyone was just waiting, you know, just couldn't believe they were trying to get to us because it was still really dangerous. But understand that the flood of 78 was nothing. It just doesn't. That pales in comparison to what just happened.
Interviewer
Well, knowing what you know about flooding at this camp, when did you first hear that there had been another much, much worse flood?
Erin Paisan
Well, I'm constantly on the Camp mystic alumni reunion site on social media, so I think I must have started to see things on that first. And people were just in a frenzy, just so grieved. Everybody's just heartbroken. But honestly, until yesterday, I was completely numb. Yesterday, I just fell apart. Yesterday was the day that I just broke. When I started seeing some of the pictures of these campers. One is two little girls that were best friends. Lila Bonner and her little friend Eloise Peck, with their arms around each other, just broke me. Just broke me. And then the footage of the girls that were being evacuated. I know. I'm trying so hard not to cry.
Interviewer
Can you tell me about that footage? I haven't seen it.
Erin Paisan
They're seeing the destruction, and they're singing through it. That's what we did at Mystic. You know, we just sang.
Interviewer
So really in the middle of the worst thing that will likely ever happen to these girls. They are invoking the songs that you learned when you first got there. And that seems so essential to the culture of this place. They're. They're taking care of each other.
Erin Paisan
Yes. That's part of being what they call a mystic girl. We look out for each other and we trust God. You know, whoever that is for you, you never ending, reckless love of God.
Interviewer
Can I ask you what may feel like a very delicate question about these floods? And perhaps it strikes you as too early to ask this, but your own experience makes me want to ask you.
Erin Paisan
It.
Interviewer
This wonderful place floods with some frequency, right? I mean, it happened to you in 78, but in my reading and in the reporting from our colleagues at the Times, it happened again with deadly consequences.
Michael Bavaro
In, I think, 1987 in this region.
Interviewer
And even more deadly consequences this past weekend, July 4th. How do you think about why, whether it's parents or local officials, the folks who run the camp, why people keep tolerating the risk level of these floods and perhaps not doing a ton to mitigate them?
Erin Paisan
Like in 1978, that flood rose so fast in the middle of the night that you couldn't see. Nobody could see or predict it was gonna rise that fast. So what would have worked a siren system in that area? To my knowledge, I don't know. I mean, it is so remote down there that trying to put a siren system in is not something. I'm sure they looked at it.
Interviewer
They did. In fact, the local officials talked about it. But I'm hearing you say you're not convinced that even if the best system was in place, it would necessarily prevent.
Erin Paisan
I don't know. I think it's a difficult. It's a huge. It's a huge lift in that area because you can barely get cell service and these camps are so spread out, you know. But honestly, as someone who lived through a flood down there that came on the camp so fast that nobody could have stopped it, even a siren system, I mean, I don't know.
Interviewer
Well, what do you think happens to Camp mystic now? The damage is really extraordinary. And there's the reality that folks may not want to send their children back to a place that has now flooded so catastrophically and could, in theory, flood catastrophically again.
Erin Paisan
Well, of course I would love to see camp miss it come back, but I don't think. Yeah, I don't know, maybe this was a wake up call for the community that the money needs to be invested in something. I don't know. I don't know what that answer is. All I can say is it was a very important place to me and many other young girls and women, still is.
Interviewer
I wonder if, after everything that's just happened, when you are sitting in bed, restless at night, if you think you will still think back to the image of the river, this calm river, which is what you said you think about, you know what?
Erin Paisan
I will never not go to that river. Has it become sort of a character in my mind that can be angry sometimes? Yes. But I choose to hold on to the beautiful moments there when you could hear the, you know, the locusts and the crickets and the crackle of the bonfire. We understand. And the voices of all these girls singing softly together. You know, I hang on to those things, and that's what makes it special.
Interviewer
Aaron, thank you.
Michael Bavaro
Truly, we appreciate it.
Erin Paisan
You're welcome. It's a privilege to. To share God about this place. We love you. We love you, campers.
Michael Bavaro
On Monday night, hundreds of Camp mystic alumni and supporters gathered at a park in Dallas for a vigil to mourn those who had died at the camp. Meanwhile, the lieutenant governor of Texas, Dan Patrick, expressed dismay that a system of flood warning sirens were not in place to protect places like, like Camp mystic and said that the state's government would seek to have such a system installed by next summer.
Host
Had we had sirens along this area up and down, that would have blown very loudly. It's possible that that would have saved some of these lives. And so if the city can't.
Interviewer
We'Ll be right back.
Michael Bavaro
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Interviewer
See you tomorrow.
Summary of "A Love Letter to Camp Mystic" by The New York Times' The Daily
Introduction
In the July 8, 2025 episode of The Daily titled "A Love Letter to Camp Mystic," host Michael Barbaro delves into the profound impact of Camp Mystic, a century-old all-girls Christian summer camp in central Texas, which tragically became the epicenter of devastating flooding. The episode centers around the personal narratives of Erin Paisan, a former camper, who shares her memories and the emotional toll of the recent tragedy that claimed over 127 lives at the camp.
Erin Paisan’s Connection to Camp Mystic
Erin Paisan begins by recounting her inaugural experience at Camp Mystic in 1975 when she was just ten years old. "My first year at Mystic was 1975, when I was 10 and my mom sent me for five weeks" [00:56]. Although Erin attended the camp for six summers, she emphasizes that her time there was deeply meaningful despite fewer visits compared to other campers.
The Allure and Culture of Camp Mystic
Erin describes the enchanting environment that initially drew her to the camp. "When we were down there picking him up, we went across a bridge that crosses the waterfront of Camp Mystic. And all these girls were out on the riverfront splashing and playing, and it was just so beautiful" [02:15]. Camp Mystic was renowned for its picturesque riverfront, expansive fields, and a sense of community that fostered genuine connections among campers.
The camaraderie among the girls was a cornerstone of the camp's culture. Erin reflects, "It was a level playing field... it was a very, very safe space" [05:02]. Without the usual social hierarchies present in schools, campers could simply be themselves, free from external judgments. This environment allowed for authentic friendships and personal growth.
Memorable Experiences and Camp Activities
Erin fondly recalls various activities that characterized her summers at Camp Mystic. From playful shenanigans like yanking pants down in line for the dining hall to adventurous water activities, the camp offered a blend of fun and freedom. "We rolled around in the mud and we threw mud at each other and, you know, just" [06:52].
The river played a pivotal role in the camp's daily life, serving both as a source of joy and, later, as a harbinger of disaster. "The river is like a character because if you had an 8 o'clock swim class, you were dreading going in that river because it was frigging cold" [08:30]. Despite its allure, the river's unpredictable nature would later contribute to the camp's tragedy.
Historical Flooding at Camp Mystic
Erin shares her harrowing experience during the 1978 flood, offering a glimpse into the camp's vulnerability to natural disasters. "I have a privileged childhood. But, you know, just because you're privileged doesn't mean that things are always going well at home" [05:47]. The suddenness of the flood left campers and staff scrambling for safety. "We were all told that we were gonna be moved up to a cabin called Angel's Attic" [14:02].
Despite the severity of the 1978 flood, Erin believes that the recent disaster pales in comparison. "Understand that the flood of '78 was nothing. It just doesn't. That pales in comparison to what just happened" [15:31]. This perspective underscores the unprecedented scale of the 2025 flood.
The 2025 Flood and Its Aftermath
The recent flood on July 4th resulted in catastrophic loss of life at Camp Mystic. Erin grapples with the emotional weight of witnessing this tragedy through social media and personal connections. "Yesterday, I just fell apart. Yesterday was the day that I just broke" [15:42]. The images of two young friends, Lila Bonner and Eloise Peck, clinging to each other amidst the chaos, epitomize the heartbreaking loss [16:41].
Erin's emotional response is intertwined with her enduring bond to the camp. "You could have my two daughters on this call who know that when I die, my ashes are to be spread at Camp Mystic" [04:51]. The camp's significance transcends mere memories, embodying a sanctuary of safety and sisterhood for countless women.
Community and Official Reactions
In the wake of the disaster, hundreds of Camp Mystic alumni and supporters gathered in Dallas to mourn. Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick criticized the lack of flood warning systems, asserting, "Had we had sirens along this area up and down, that would have blown very loudly. It's possible that that would have saved some of these lives" [23:06]. The state government is now pledging to implement a siren system by the following summer to prevent future tragedies.
Erin reflects on the challenges of flood prevention at Camp Mystic, "The flood rose so fast in the middle of the night that you couldn't see. Nobody could see or predict it was gonna rise that fast" [18:04]. Despite discussions about installing warning systems, Erin remains skeptical about their efficacy given the camp's remote location and the rapid onset of the floodwaters.
Looking Forward: The Future of Camp Mystic
The devastation has cast doubt on the camp's future, with many questioning whether it can or should reopen. Erin expresses hope for the camp's revival but recognizes the immense investment required to safeguard it against future floods. "I would love to see Camp Mystic come back, but I don't think... Maybe this was a wake-up call for the community that the money needs to be invested in something" [20:16].
Enduring Legacy and Healing
Despite the tragedy, Erin clings to the positive memories and the solace Camp Mystic continues to provide. "I choose to hold on to the beautiful moments there when you could hear the... voices of all these girls singing softly together" [21:00]. The camp remains a symbol of resilience and the enduring bonds formed among its campers.
Conclusion
"A Love Letter to Camp Mystic" poignantly captures the essence of a beloved summer retreat and the profound loss endured by its community. Through Erin Paisan's heartfelt reflections, the episode underscores the importance of safety measures, community support, and the enduring power of cherished memories in the face of tragedy.