Today’s Mission to the Moon

Summary

The Daily — "Today's Mission to the Moon"

Date: April 1, 2026
Host: Michael Barbaro (plus NYT colleagues)
Guest: Ken Chang (NYT science reporter)

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Episode Overview

This episode covers the United States’ ambitious return to the Moon with the Artemis 2 mission. Nearly 54 years after humanity’s first lunar landings, NASA is sending a crew of four astronauts around the Moon for the first time in over half a century. Ken Chang, reporting from Florida, explains the mission’s scientific and geopolitical aims, introduces the crew, and reflects on the historic and emotional context of lunar exploration in an era marked by global instability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mission Outline & Purpose

• Artemis 2 Mission:

  • First crewed lunar journey since Apollo era.
  • Four astronauts will launch from Kennedy Space Center, travel around the Moon without landing, and return after 10 days.
  • Main goal: "The biggest goal for the astronauts on this mission is to not die." (Ken Chang, 04:01)
  • Major test: Life-support systems in actual living conditions.

• Why Go Back Now?

  • Short-term: Validate systems and human endurance in deep space.
  • Long-term: Set stage for sustainable Moon bases, mining, scientific stations, and future Mars tech pilot-testing.

Notable quote:

"The goal this time… is to get people back to the moon, but also stay there this time."
—Ken Chang (02:48)

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2. Scientific, Economic, and Strategic Motivations

• Moon Base Vision:
  • Power plants and habitats for long-term lunar stays (days, weeks, or months).
• Resource Mining:
  • Helium-3: Rare on Earth, potentially valuable for fusion reactors and quantum computing.
  • "Helium 3 on Earth costs roughly $3 million a pound." (Ken Chang, 05:52)
• Unique Science:
  • Building a radio telescope on the Moon’s far side to “listen” to ancient cosmic signals with no Earth interference.
• Mars as a Next Step:
  • Moon used as testbed for Mars-bound technology due to similar harsh conditions.

Notable quotes:

"Listen to the universe? ...We could hear the ancient sounds of really the dawn of time itself."
—Host (06:24-07:09)

"There's this romantic notion of humanity just spreading out into the solar system... we can live elsewhere as well someday on a moon colony."
—Ken Chang (07:50)

• Geopolitical Stakes:
  • Space race with China for first-mover advantage, setting rules and controlling resources.

"The people who are there first are the ones who make the rules of how space commerce is conducted, will have the prime locations on the moon and control the resources and so on. So being first means being the one who's in charge."
—Ken Chang (08:20)

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3. Meet the Artemis 2 Crew (11:12)

Reid Wiseman — Commander

• Former US Navy fighter pilot.
• Lost his wife; leaving his daughters behind carries "a poignant detail." (Ken Chang, 11:50)

Victor Glover — Pilot

• Former naval aviator; first Black man to fly to and stay on the ISS.
• Will become the first Black astronaut to travel to the Moon.
• Emphasizes collective, global effort:

  "We had our own moonshot, remember? And it was global, it was international, and we did it together."
  —Victor Glover (12:08)

Christina Koch — Mission Specialist

• Electrical engineer; record-holder for longest single spaceflight by a woman (328 days).
• On being “first”:

  "All these things that we talk about first are really not about any one individual's accomplishment, but more about celebrating where we are at."
  —Christina Koch (12:59)

Jeremy Hansen — Canadian Astronaut

• First non-American in deep space.
• Humorous about the risk:

  "He said if something goes wrong on this mission, then NASA can blame Canada."
  —Ken Chang (13:34)

Crew’s Mindset:

• The immediate focus: survive and return ("their first job is staying alive." —Ken Chang, 08:56)

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4. Mission Timeline and Key Moments

• Pre-Launch: Crew wakes 8 hours before departure, suited and shuttled to the pad.

• Orbit-Testing (Day 1-2):

  • Two elliptical Earth orbits to check spacecraft systems.

• Trans-lunar Injection (Day 2):

  • Burn engines to head to the Moon (distance: ~250,000 miles; travel time: 4 days).

• Lunar Flyby (Day 6):

  • Closest point: Moon appears as "a basketball held at arm's length."
  • 40 minutes of radio blackout while on Moon's far side—observing never-before-seen areas in daylight.

  "These would be almost the echoes of the Big Bang."
  —Ken Chang (07:09)

• Return:

  • Lunar gravity slingshots spacecraft toward Earth—minimal adjustment needed.

  "It's going along a path that the gravity of the Moon basically is going to sling them around and throw them right back toward Earth without them doing much of anything."
  —Ken Chang (17:21)

• Splashdown:

  • Land in Pacific, recovered, flown to Houston.
  • Critical to pave the way for Artemis 3 and beyond.

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5. NASA vs. Private Sector — An Era’s End and What’s Ahead

• Artemis 2 is "old-school NASA" — fully managed by the agency.
• Beginning with Artemis 3, companies like SpaceX (Elon Musk) and Blue Origin (Jeff Bezos) will provide lunar landers.

  "Artemis 2 is kind of the end of an era... The expectation is this will be the last big NASA spacecraft and rockets. And in the future there will be much more work from private companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin."
  —Ken Chang (20:14)

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6. Historical & Emotional Resonance

• Space as unifying experience—contrasted against current global conflicts.
• Recalling Apollo 8 (1968):
  • A similar mission during a tumultuous year; astronauts read from Genesis, bringing hope and perspective to a troubled Earth.

  "It was such a calming, hopeful moment that some people even talked about how that mission saved 1968."
  —Ken Chang (23:02)

• Hopes that Artemis 2, even in global uncertainty, sparks awe and unity.

"Just the imagery that's going to come back of them seeing Earth from a quarter million miles away could just provide a moment of calm that makes us realize we are still all part of the same planet."
—Ken Chang (23:02)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:10 Mission outline begins
• 03:11 Artemis I vs. Artemis II explained
• 04:32 Rationale for returning and plans for a moon base
• 05:21 Helium-3 and lunar mining
• 06:23 Science ambitions (radio telescopes, listening to the universe)
• 07:37 Moon as a Mars tech testbed and the geopolitical space race
• 11:12 Meet the crew
• 14:00 Astronauts’ day-by-day experience
• 16:43 Observing unseen parts of the Moon
• 18:10 Return to Earth procedures
• 19:24 NASA vs. private industry roles
• 20:33 What Artemis 2 represents historically
• 21:06 Apollo 8 as precedent; reading Genesis
• 23:02 Hopes for Artemis 2 to inspire unity

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Memorable Quotes

"The biggest goal for the astronauts on this mission is to not die."
—Ken Chang (04:01)

"We can build a giant listening post on the far side of the moon... and we could hear the ancient sounds of really the dawn of time itself."
—Interviewer (06:50)

"All these things that we talk about first are really not about any one individual's accomplishment, but more about celebrating where we are at."
—Christina Koch (12:59)

"Their first job is staying alive. If they don't do that, then all these dreams are pushed even farther into the future."
—Ken Chang (08:56)

"The people who are there first are the ones who make the rules of how space commerce is conducted."
—Ken Chang (08:20)

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Conclusion

This episode captures the stakes and spirit of Artemis 2—a technological leap, a human adventure, and a symbol of hope in challenging times. The mission not only tests NASA’s readiness for lunar return, but also asks big questions about humanity’s future beyond our planet, the collaboration and rivalry shaping that destiny, and the ways great endeavors can help unify a fractured world.

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Transcript

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[Launch Countdown Voice]

Two, one, zero.

[Astronaut or Game Player]

All engines running.

[Michael Barbaro]

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Balbaro. This is the Daily. Nearly six decades after the United States put men on the moon, that's one

[Launch Countdown Voice]

small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

[Michael Barbaro]

It is returning to that mission. And today a major step in that process will begin in Florida. My colleague Ken Chang is there and explains why it is that the United States wants to go back to the moon. It's Wednesday, April 1st.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Ken, welcome back to the Daily.

[Ken Chang]

Good to be here again.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

So we always turn to you when something big and meaningful is happening in space and something big and meaningful is happening today, whether permitting. So does the weather permit this big and meaningful thing to happen on Wednesday?

[Ken Chang]

Hopefully it looks good. The forecast says 80% chance that it's going to go, but that means there's 20% chance that something doesn't quite clear up.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Right. Okay. Those are pretty good odds. So start by describing this mission.

[Ken Chang]

This is the first time that anyone's going close to the moon in more than 53 years.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Wow.

[Ken Chang]

Four astronauts are going to be blasting off from Kennedy Space center in Florida and they're going to head out to the moon. They're not going to land. They're just going to swing around the moon and then head straight back to Earth and splash down in the Pacific Ocean ten days later.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

And why? I mean, as you've just hinted at some 50 so years ago, astronauts from the United States did that very thing. So why are we doing it again?

[Ken Chang]

So the goal this time in this program, which is called Artemis, is to get people back to the moon, but also stay there this time. And so this program is broken up into pieces because it's really hard to land on the moon. You don't want to do all the hard things all at once. You want to break it up into pieces. So you do step by step.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Right.

[Ken Chang]

So Artemis I, back in 2022, it sent this spacecraft to the moon and spent several weeks there, but without any people aboard. So that's sort of established that the Basic machinery works. Now we're on the next step, which is Artemis 2. This time they're including the four people aboard. And that's critical because the main task of this mission is to test the life support systems. And it's impossible to test it without actual people producing. Producing carbon dioxide, producing water and poop and everything else that you need to clean up.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Right. So that's this mission. Step one was, can we get an aircraft around the moon? Step two is, can we get people on this craft to live?

[Ken Chang]

Yes. The biggest goal for the astronauts on this mission is to not die. And if Artemis 2 succeeds, NASA can move on to next steps, which will lead to attempts to land astronauts on the moon in a couple years.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Okay. And at this point, I may sound like a broken record, but why? I mean, what is the rationale for trying to do this thing that we did with great fanfare 50 something years ago?

[Ken Chang]

What NASA says is that this time we're not going to just go there and then forget about it. That this will be the first step to building a moon base.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

To a moon base?

[Ken Chang]

Yeah. So that they're going to start putting a power plant, some habitats to allow people to stay there for days, weeks, months. Hmm. So at first, it will probably be a scientific research station, much like what we have in Antarctica near the South Pole. Beyond that, people will start thinking about how we can take advantage of the Moon's resources. They might even start trying to mine valuable materials that could be found there, such as helium 3.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

And what's helium 3 and why do we want to mine it on the moon?

[Ken Chang]

So helium 3 is a light version of helium, and it's quite rare on Earth. It's a little bit more prevalent on the Moon's surface. And this is a version of helium that could be very useful in future fusion reactors. It's also thought to be useful for future quantum computers, which people are very excited about, because it could be used for artificial intelligence, among other things. And helium three on Earth costs roughly $3 million a pound.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

Wow.

[Ken Chang]

So if you can even get a little bit from the moon, you could probably make a profit.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Right. So what lies in the future is space research and potentially some serious commercial mining.

[Ken Chang]

Yes, they're still speculative, but there are companies who are planning to do things along those lines already. And then there's scientific dreamers who want to do something like build a big radio telescope on the far side of the moon to listen to the universe.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Listen to the universe?

[Ken Chang]

Yes. There's signals from just after the Big Bang, billions of years ago. But it's hard to do that from Earth because we've basically made things very noisy with tv, cell phone calls, podcasts. But on the far side of the moon, you have the entire thickness of the moon blocking all that noise.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Wow.

[Ken Chang]

So you can hear the rest of the universe.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Wait, just so I understand, we can build a giant listening post on the far side of the moon where it's dead quiet and we could hear the ancient sounds of really the dawn of time itself.

[Ken Chang]

Pretty much these would be almost the echoes of the Big Bang. Wow. And the other thing they want to do is use the moon as a testing ground for technologies that they ultimately want to put on Mars. That would include nuclear power plants, habitats, life support systems, because many of the conditions on the moon are things you'll ultimately have to face on Mars as well.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

So basically would use the moon and its conditions and its gravity to figure out whether something we eventually want to have on Mars can first survive the moon.

[Ken Chang]

Yes. And then there's this romantic notion of humanity just spreading out into the solar system, that we are no longer just confined to one planet, but we can live elsewhere as well someday on a moon colony. But on top of all that, there's also the geopolitical competition with China. And of course, we want to do all this before they do.

[Michael Barbaro]

Right.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

If we are to be a multi planet species, Americans would like to be the first.

[Ken Chang]

Yeah. Because the people who are there first are the ones who make the rules of how space commerce is conducted, will have the prime locations on the moon and control the resources and so on. So being first means being the one who's in charge.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Ken, what you have just laid out is a tremendous vision for the future. And all of it rests on the shoulders of four astronauts who are going to be blasting off toward the moon in a few hours on Wednesday there in Florida.

[Ken Chang]

True, but that's probably not what is going to be on their minds. Remember, their first job is staying alive. If they don't do that, then all these dreams are pushed even farther into the future. We'll be right back.

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[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Ken, can you introduce us to these four astronauts who have all this responsibility on their shoulders and describe the logistics of this 10 day mission they're embarking on from their perspective?

[Ken Chang]

Yes. The commander is Reid Weissman.

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

We just need to go execute this mission and bring a little bit of each of our own personalities.

[Ken Chang]

He's a former fighter pilot in the US Navy. He served in the Middle east on two deployments and he was the head of the astronaut office before he stepped down, which allowed him to be assigned to the moon mission.

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

I was outside last night and I was looking up at the moon thinking, the next time I see this site, there's a good chance that we will have been around the far side and back.

[Ken Chang]

And there's also a poignant detail about him. His wife died a few years ago. Him going to moon means leaving his daughters behind for 10 days.

[Astronaut or Game Player]

Well, and so I hope there's a piece of it that extends beyond human spaceflight as well.

[Ken Chang]

Victor Glover. He's also a former naval aviator.

[Astronaut or Game Player]

Ten years from now, when the next challenging thing happens, maybe we can look back on this and go, hey guys, remember we did that. We had our own moonshot, remember? And it was global, it was international, and we did it together.

[Ken Chang]

He was the first black man to serve and extend his stay on the space station. And now he'll be the first black man to go to the moon. Next is Christina Koch.

[Astronaut Christina Koch]

None of us can be as big as what we're asked to do, but we can contribute the part and bring our best selves and come together to do it.

[Ken Chang]

She's an electrical engineer by training and she actually worked on NASA missions on the ground before she was selected by NASA to become an astronaut. And she now holds the record for the longest single spaceflight by women of 328 days. So that's almost a full year.

[Astronaut Christina Koch]

All these things that we talk about first are really not about any one individual's accomplishment, but more about celebrating where we are at.

[Ken Chang]

And finally, there's Jeremy Henson. He's the Canadian on the crew.

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

You can't fix all the problems in the world, but you can influence the little bit around you.

[Ken Chang]

It would be the first time that a non American has gone to deep space.

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

We don't know the ripple effects of what we're about to do, but we can do it well to the best of our ability and have joy while we're doing it. And hopefully that will make a small contribution.

[Ken Chang]

And he has a sense of humor about this. He said if something goes wrong on this mission, then NASA can blame Canada.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Okay, so that is the crew. Talk to us about their next 10 days as they're going to experience it, the four of them together.

[Ken Chang]

So they'll have a very long day before launch even. They'll wake up eight hours before launch. They have to get into their space suits. They'll be driven out to the launch pad. They'll go up this huge tower and enter their spacecraft. It's known as Orion. Then they'll be sitting there for about four hours until the countdown clock gets to zero. And eight minutes later, they'll be in space. Wow. And that first day in space will also be quite busy. They won't immediately go to the moon. In fact, what they'll do is make two looping orbits around Earth. And the reason they're doing that is they want to take this time to check out every little system on the spacecraft to make sure it's working before they make the decision to fire the engines to send them off to the moon.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Basically a couple of test flights, right?

[Ken Chang]

So after day two, when they fire the engines to head to the moon. The moon is close to a quarter million miles from Earth. So it takes a while to get there. Basically four days. And they'll be spending all this time in this capsule which has about as much space as two minivans.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Two minivans. And I say this as a father that fills basically a minivan. That's not a lot of space.

[Ken Chang]

It's actually a little bit more than beyond Earth because you get to float around so you can Use all the space above you. It's not quite as crowded as it would be if you were driving cross country.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Right.

[Ken Chang]

So on day six is the big event. This is when they are closest to the Moon and they're not super close. So the way NASA describes it, the Moon will appear about the size of a basketball held at arm's length, and the Moon's gravity will basically pull them around the Moon and they'll go behind the Moon. So that means they'll lose all radio communication with Earth for about 40 minutes, and we won't know what's going on until they emerge on the other side. And during this time, they'll also be making all these observations of the far side, the Moon, such as. So what's really interesting is that they will be seeing parts of the far side of the Moon that no human eyes have seen before. And that's because the last time an astronaut passed over the far side of the Moon, it was a different time of day, and those areas were in darkness.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

So that's fascinating. These astronauts, because there will be light, will cast their eyes on parts of the Moon that no human being has ever seen before. In actual daylight.

[Ken Chang]

Correct. On the Moon, there's no street light. So the last time an astronaut passed over these parts, it was completely dark.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

So, Ken, as these astronauts are moving along the far side of the Moon, you had said that the Moon's gravity was going to be holding them down. How much power will they have to actually direct the craft that they're in

[Ken Chang]

during this period, the trajectory that they're on? NASA designed it specifically that they actually don't need to use the engines to bring them back to Earth. It's going along a path that the gravity of the Moon basically is going to sling them around and throw them right back toward Earth without them doing much of anything.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

So in a sense, they're kind of powerless to do much themselves. They're at the mercy of the Moon's gravitational push and pull, which is a

[Ken Chang]

good thing because it's much easier to be headed back to Earth than into deep space, where who knows where you would end up.

[Michael Barbaro]

Right.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

So assuming this gravitational slingshot system brings these four astronauts safely home, what happens?

[Ken Chang]

So once they complete their lunar flyby, they have to spend another three days just sitting around waiting to get back to Earth. This is probably the boring part of the trip. It's basically, are we there yet? On the very last day, Earth's gravity is going to be pulling them around Earth, and they'll be on a path to re enter the atmosphere and they'll splash down in the Pacific Ocean off San Diego. They'll be plucked out of the ocean, taken to a ship and then flown back to shore where they'll be checked out by doctors and then they'll get to fly back to Houston. And that will be the end of Artemis 2.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

And assuming that the astronauts leave this process in tip top shape, which we of course hope they do, my sense is that this is going to be a really proud moment for NASA because from everything I've taken from your reporting in the lead up to Artemis 2, it's really a NASA production through and through and not what we think of when we think of the modern space system where things kind of get divided up between NASA and these well known private companies. Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk.

[Ken Chang]

You're right, Michael, this is old school NASA, where NASA designed and operated their various spacecraft. And it'll be a triumph for them in that the old ways of doing things succeeded. But on the very next mission, Artemis 3, the new space companies, SpaceX, run by Elon Musk and Blue Origin, started by Jeff Bezos, they become involved because SpaceX and Blue Origin are producing the lunar landers that are eventually going to take astronauts to the surface of the moon.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Got it. So in these next phases, these big private companies are going to be providing some of the really key equipment that will allow NASA to land on the moon. So in that sense, Artemis 2 is

[Ken Chang]

kind of the end of an era in a sense. Yes. This expectation is this will be the last big NASA spacecraft and rockets. And in the future there will be much more work from private companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

You know, Ken, just to end this conversation, it's pretty hard to ignore the context of when Artemis 2 is happening. Right now we're in the middle of a war and it's big and it's controversial and it has had ripple effects across the entire world. And I think of space exploration as at its best, this big unifying experience

[Ken Chang]

for the whole world.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

And this mission comes at a moment when that's not so unifying.

[Ken Chang]

But if you think back to the 1960s when we went to the moon for the first time, that was a turbulent era, especially the year 1968. Martin Luther King was assassinated, Robert Kennedy was assassinated. The country was mired in the Vietnam War. The Democratic convention in Chicago was was beset by riots. It was a very unsettled time in the United States. And at the end of that year, December of 1968, the engines are armed.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

4, 3, 2, 1, 0. We have commit.

[Ken Chang]

We have Apollo 8 launch, and there's

[Launch Countdown Voice]

the rumble in our building.

[Ken Chang]

And that was the equivalent of Artemis 2.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

It's a beautiful takeoff so far.

[Ken Chang]

It was the first launch of the mighty Saturn V rocket that NASA used then with people aboard. And the three astronauts on Apollo 8, they went to the moon or visited the moon.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

And on Christmas Eve, we are now approaching lunar sunrise. And for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you.

[Ken Chang]

As they were in orbit around the

[Launch Countdown Voice]

moon, in the beginning, God created the heaven and the Earth.

[Ken Chang]

The three astronauts took turns reading Genesis from the Bible.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, let there be light. And there was light.

[Ken Chang]

And it was such a calming, hopeful moment that some people even talked about how that mission saved 1968. So we don't know what the four astronauts on Artemis 2 are planning to say as they are coming back from the moon. But still, just the imagery that's going to come back of them seeing Earth from a quarter million miles away could just provide a moment of calm that makes us realize we are still all part of the same planet. And perhaps we'll just offer a note of hope that maybe it won't be as turbulent as it seems right now.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Well, Ken, thank you very much.

[Michael Barbaro]

We appreciate it.

[Ken Chang]

Thank you. I hope it goes off perfectly later today.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Me too.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

God called the dry land Earth and the gathering together of the waters called E. God saw that it was good. And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a merry Christmas, and God bless all of you. All of you on the good Earth.

[Ken Chang]

We'll be right back.

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[Astronaut Christina Koch]

I'm opening up Crossplay. I've been playing against Dan, my colleague at the New York Times.

[Astronaut or Game Player]

Kat's played another move.

[Launch Countdown Voice]

Ugh.

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

She played Stoop for 36 points.

[Astronaut Christina Koch]

I've got a Z, which is 10 points.

[Ken Chang]

I'm guessing Tenga is not a word.

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

Let's see.

[Interviewer (New York Times Host)]

Tenga is a word.

[Astronaut Christina Koch]

Oh, Dan played his last turn. Let's see who won. It's so close, but I did win

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[Ken Chang]

It's devastating when you see a game

[Astronaut Jeremy Henson]

that you could have won.

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Here's what else you need to know today. On Tuesday afternoon, a federal judge ordered that President Trump end construction of his proposed massive ballroom off the east wing of the White House until the project is blessed by Congress. The decision delivered the first meaningful setback to the President's increasingly bold efforts to redesign the White House. And for the first time since the start of the war in Iran, the average price of gasoline across the United States surpassed $4 a gallon, a major milestone for consumers.

[Astronaut or Game Player]

Not happy about this. And even my customers are coming in this morning and saying what happened? What happened in 24 hours where we

[Michael Barbaro]

went in Jacksonville, Florida. Cam Judy, the gas station manager we spoke to for Friday's episode, raised his prices on Tuesday to 429A gallon. That's up more than 50% since the start of the war.

[Astronaut or Game Player]

And it just caught everybody off guard, including myself. So it's upsetting and I hope it. I hope it doesn't last long.

[Michael Barbaro]

Prices are expected to remain high until oil can flow freely through the Strait of Hormuz. Today's episode was produced by Alex Stern, Jack Desadoro, Rochelle Banja, and Diana Wynn. It was edited by Rachel Quester and contains music by Marion Lozano, Dan Powell and Diane Wong. Our theme music is by Wonderly. This episode was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. Special thanks to Timothy Bella. That's it for the Daily I'm Michael Balboro. See you tomorrow.

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