Podcast Summary: The Daily — "Zohran Mamdani Explains His Rise"

Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Michael Barbaro
Guest: Zohran Mamdani, NY Assemblyman and Democratic nominee for NYC Mayor

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This episode centers on the meteoric rise of Zohran Mamdani, a Democratic Socialist and the potential youngest mayor of New York City. It explores the grassroots movement behind his campaign, his bold critiques of the Democratic Party's status quo, his unapologetically progressive platform, and his strategy for reconciling with once-skeptical constituencies—including the NYPD, business leaders, and New York’s Jewish community. The conversation also addresses Mamdani’s vision for the city in an era marked by Trump’s possible return to national office.

Episode Breakdown

1. Grassroots Energy & Campaign Rally

[00:37–04:09]

• Michael Barbaro describes a long, enthusiastic line for Mamdani’s rally, with supporters sharing what Mamdani represents to them—“compassion,” “honest,” “hope,” “the future,” and excitement about actual progressive change.

• Attendees express optimism about Mamdani’s promises: rent control, free buses, universal childcare, and support for Palestine.

• Quote:

  • “Zoran to help us freeze the rent, faster buses. He’s going to get free buses... put cheaper groceries, grocery cheaper and child care and help families.” — Supporter ([03:06])

• Mamdani rally speech:

  • “Billionaires like Bill Ackman and Ronald Lauder have poured millions of dollars into this race because they say that we pose an existential threat. And I am here to admit something. They are right. Fundamental change only comes [with] the courage to invent the future together... our time is now.” — Mamdani ([04:09])

2. Personal & Political Background

[06:02–09:18]

• Mamdani’s upbringing: son of a filmmaker and a professor (studied apartheid/genocide); became politically active in college.
• Explains why he identifies as a Democratic Socialist and Democrat, influenced by Bernie Sanders:
  • “Democratic socialism is the belief that it is government’s job to ensure every person is living a life of dignity... not the things you want, but the things you need.” ([09:18])

3. Critique of the Democratic Party & Cuomo

[12:43–18:57]

• Mamdani sees himself and his movement as fundamentally different from old-guard Democrats like Andrew Cuomo.
• Critiques Cuomo for:
  • Maintaining Republican power in Albany to check progressives.
  • Blocking crucial social programs (e.g., housing assistance).
  • “Many of the same achievements that are accredited to him are the ones... he was initially an obstacle towards before becoming seen as the architect.” ([14:13])
• Asserts that Democratic failures allowed for the rise of Trump.

4. Movement-Building & Policy Commitments

[18:29–18:57]

• Mamdani credits his momentum to clear, specific policy promises:
  • Fast and free buses
  • Universal childcare
  • Freezing rent
• “We’re building a movement not around an individual, but... these policy commitments. That is what we will be held to account for.” ([18:29])

5. Past Activism, Policing & Evolving Rhetoric

[18:57–23:57]

• Discussion of 2020 tweets: “NYPD is racist, anti-queer, a major threat to public safety,” and pro-defunding the NYPD.
• Mamdani:
  • Explains the context—growing up in NYC, witnessing police brutality.
  • Now, he expresses regret about language that “applied to officers” not “practices,” and apologizes to NYPD in person while holding fast to the need for justice and safety.
  • “What I’m apologizing [for] is for the language... as someone who is clear-eyed about the necessity of still fulfilling those two things [safety and justice].” ([23:57])

6. Outreach to Business Community & Taxation

[24:38–29:23]

• Mamdani meets with developers and business elites, stands by his proposals:
  • 2% “millionaire’s tax” and raising the corporate tax to NJ’s level.
• Reiterates the method of funding less important than the outcome (funding programs), but taxation as a principle still matters.
• “A disagreement on those policies should not preclude us from looking for agreements elsewhere.” ([25:59])
• Admits he’ll be pragmatic if the legislature resists his tax plans but insists the affordability agenda be funded.

7. Navigating Jewish Community & Israel-Palestine Debate

[30:50–38:38]

• Recaps tense meetings with Jewish leaders, including Dr. Albert Bourla (Pfizer CEO, Holocaust survivor descendant).
• Stands by using “genocide” to describe Gaza (citing UN standards, genocide scholars).
• Recognizes caricatured attacks against him (mailers exaggerating ethnicity/religion).
• Defends universalist approach:
  • “I’m not going to recognize [any state’s] right to be a state with a hierarchy of citizenship... my critiques of Israel are critiques that I would hold for any other state violating... international laws.” ([34:43])
• Emphasizes connection to Palestinian New Yorkers and the need for mayors to see and advocate for their pain.

8. Positioning in the Trump Era

[42:49–46:29]

• Addresses fears that a Mamdani-led city will be targeted by Trump.
• Argues NYC has faced federal retribution already under Adams; sees himself as prepared to fight back—using the courts and collaboration with the state and attorney general.
• “Retribution is not something that will only appear in this city by virtue of my being mayor. It’s already a feature of what it looks like to live in Donald Trump’s America.” ([44:17])

9. Immigration & Resistance to ICE

[46:29–49:09]

• Declares “not looking to assist Donald Trump” in deportation campaigns.

• Stands firmly against helping ICE in the city.

  • “It’s not just the manner... it’s the fact that the goal here is cruelty.” ([48:50])

• Affirms he would meet President Trump “as any mayor should,” but not at the expense of NYC’s values.

10. Movement’s Legacy & Delivering Change

[49:47–52:12]

• Mamdani likens the movement to key moments in US history—civil rights, labor rights, the New Deal.
• Faces the challenge of converting high expectations into real policy wins.
• “We came to these policies, these commitments, not because of a poll... but because New Yorkers told us it was housing, childcare, slow buses.” ([51:06])
• Promises not to compromise on his values, confident about delivery.

Notable Quotes

• “Fundamental change only comes [with] the courage to turn your back on the old formulas, the courage to invent the future together... our time is now.”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([04:09])

• “Democratic socialism is the belief that it is government’s job to ensure every person is living a life of dignity... it’s the things you need.”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([09:18])

• “If you want to understand why so many have come to associate politics with a... diminishing faith and trust, then we also have to understand who the politicians have been that have been leading these very parties.”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([14:13])

• “We’re building a movement not around an individual, but rather around these policy commitments. And that is what we will be held to account for.”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([18:29])

• “What I’m apologizing [for] is for the language that I’ve used... [but] still fulfilling those two things [safety and justice].”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([23:57])

• “I continue to believe that two of the most straightforward and productive ways to raise revenue… are by increasing personal income taxes on the top 1%… and by increasing the corporate tax rate…”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([25:12])

• “I’m not going to recognize [any state’s] right to be a state with a hierarchy of citizenship…”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([34:43])

• “Retribution is not something that will only appear in this city by virtue of my being mayor. It’s already a feature of what it looks like to live in Donald Trump’s America.”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([44:17])

• “We came to these policies, these commitments, not because of a poll… but because New Yorkers told us it was housing, childcare, slowest buses.”
  — Zohran Mamdani ([51:06])

Key Segments & Timestamps

• 00:37 – Intro at Mamdani’s campaign rally; public enthusiasm
• 04:09 – Mamdani's rally speech on taking on billionaires
• 07:14 – Mamdani’s bio and path to Democratic Socialism
• 12:43 – On Cuomo & the failures of the Democratic establishment
• 18:29 – Policy commitments and movement-building strategy
• 20:16 – Policing, past activism, and apology to NYPD
• 24:38 – Tax policy, outreach to rich New Yorkers
• 30:50 – Israel, Palestine, and engagement with the Jewish community
• 42:49 – Trump era: federal threats and standing up for NYC
• 46:29 – Immigration, resisting ICE & upholding city values
• 49:47 – The risk and promise of the new movement
• 51:06 – Pledge to deliver on core promises

Overall Tone & Takeaways

• The conversation is candid, occasionally adversarial but mutually respectful.
• Mamdani’s answers are thoughtful, reflective, and unwaveringly tied to core principles.
• Supporters express rare enthusiasm for a politician in today’s cynical climate.
• The episode reflects a pivotal, potentially transformative moment in New York City’s political trajectory.

For listeners seeking an understanding of the ideological and practical stakes in New York’s mayoral race, as well as the evolving face of the Democratic Party, this episode offers a clear, engaging portrait of a candidate seeking to redefine what city leadership means.