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Welcome to the Daily Stoic podcast, designed to help bring those four key Stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. Hey there. Just a heads up. I'm going to be on tour this fall. You can see me in Australia and New Zealand in October. In August, I'm mixing my months up here, but in August, you can see me in Chicago and Minneapolis and Detroit. Then I'll be on the east coast sometime in November and December. Anyways, grab tickets to that dailystoiclive.com Hope to see you there. It is so hard to find. You think it would be easy? After all, they have the time, they have the resources. They usually have the brain power and the education. And yet, the writers of A Satisfied Mind, a song that's been covered by Bob Dylan and Jeff Buckley and Bon Ivera, to name a few, were absolutely right. In fact, they sound like they're quoting Seneca when they sing. But little they know that it's so hard to find one rich man in 10 with a satisfied mind. Why is this? Well, as the Stoics, many of them fortunate and wealthy, knew very well, money brings anxiety in many forms. Fear you will lose it. Worry that someone else has more insecurity that people are judging you. The stress of having so many choices, all the things to take care of. It's certainly a better problem than having too little, but having too much is still a problem and not one that automatically leads to peace or contentment, the ability to be content, to be grateful, to be at peace. These are real luxuries. You think about it, because they're so rare, apparently, nine out of ten rich people can't even afford them. Look, you should be able to be comfortable anywhere, but you should also be comfortable inside your own house. Like, your space should feel like you should look the way you want it to look. You should have the stuff that you want to have. And that's where today's sponsor, Wayfair, comes in. Because a budget doesn't need to get in the way of having all of those things. 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The Stoics teach us that doing well is its own reward to do the right thing, to see someone helped by it. This is enough to go around expecting thanks what Marcus Aurelius describes as the third thing that is to miss the point. It's being greedy. Keeping score not only misses the purposes of being good, it's foolish. Sets you up for disappointment. If you're going to do some accounting, look at it from the other direction. How many people have helped us? What do we owe them in return? Think about clearing some debts this week and consider forgetting any notion of others owing you. This is from this week's entry in The Daily Stoic Journal. 366 days of writing and reflection on the art of living together by myself and the wonderful Steve Hanselman. You can buy this anywhere books are sold. I sell a bunch of signed copies, personalize it, usually write, prepare and reflect in the daily Stoke store. You can buy that@store.dailystoke.com then we've got two quotes from Marcus to think about today. One person on doing well by others, immediately accounts the expected favor in return. Another is not so quick, but still considers the person a debtor and knows the favor. A third kind of person acts as if not conscious of the deed. Rather like a vine producing a cluster of grapes without making further demands. Like a horse after its race, or a dog after its walk, or a bee after making its honey. Such a person having done a good deed, won't go shouting from rooftops, but simply moves on to the next deed. Just like the vine produces another bunch of grapes in the right season. It's Marcus Aurelius. Meditations 5 6. That's such a beautiful image. Like plants produce fruit. They don't even reap the benefits of that fruit. They just do it. Because that's their nature, that's their job. And then we have one more when you've done well and another has benefited by it, why, like a fool, do you look for the third thing on top credit for the good deed or favor in return? That's Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 77 3. Anytime Marcus is repeating himself in meditation, I think it's illustrative. And I think he is doing what we all do right? He did something good. Then he was disappointed that it either wasn't recognized or he was frustrated that it was interpreted incorrectly. Or like imagine you're Marcus Aurelius. You're you're trying not to be corrupted by you've seen what your horrible predecessors have done and you're being attacked for it. He says that the rewards of being a leader is to do good things and earn a bad reputation. You still get attacked if you're going through life looking for this third thing. And I do this all the time myself. If you're going through life looking for that third thing, you're going to be disappointed all the time. And you're going to question why you were doing the good thing. Because if you're doing it in this quid pro quo, one hand washes the other. You do a thing, they do a thing. You start to go, this is a sucker's payoff. Doing the right thing, and I'm not getting anything for it. I'm gonna stop doing the right thing. No, the Stoics want you to think. No, the. The right thing is your job. You do the right thing because it produces pleasure for you. You do the right thing because that's what you were put here on this planet to do. You do the right thing because it's the right thing. Don't look for the third thing. Do the right thing because it's the right thing. That's this week's lesson. And as we said in the little meditations, forgive the debts that others owe you and be very diligent about paying your debts to all the people who have selflessly done good things for you in this world over the years. Hey, it's Ryan. Thank you for listening to the Daily Stoic podcast. 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Episode: It’s So Hard To Find | Stop Looking For This
Host: Ryan Holiday
Date: July 13, 2026
In this episode, Ryan Holiday delves into the challenge of finding genuine satisfaction and contentment, especially among those who seem to "have it all." Drawing from Stoic philosophy and the wisdom of Marcus Aurelius, the conversation explores why true fulfillment is rare—even among the wealthy—and how seeking external validation for doing good deeds leads to disappointment. Ryan encourages listeners to focus on intrinsic rewards and to break the cycle of needing acknowledgment and reciprocation.
Theme Introduction (01:12):
Ryan opens by referencing the song "A Satisfied Mind," noting how even those with time, resources, and education rarely achieve true contentment.
“But little they know that it’s so hard to find one rich man in ten with a satisfied mind.”
— [01:38]
Stoic Reflection:
He explains that wealth does not guarantee peace, highlighting the anxieties and burdens that often accompany abundance.
"Money brings anxiety in many forms. Fear you will lose it. Worry that someone else has more..."
— [02:01]
Conclusion:
Contentment, gratitude, and peace remain rare and precious—"real luxuries" that even wealth cannot buy.
Central Stoic Lesson (06:40):
Ryan presents the Stoic caution against seeking something extra—credit or favors—in return for good actions, which Marcus Aurelius calls the "third thing."
“Don’t look for the third thing. The Stoics teach us that doing well is its own reward... Expecting thanks… is to miss the point. It’s being greedy. Keeping score not only misses the purposes of being good, it's foolish.”
— [06:40]
Stoic Journal Reflection:
Ryan references an entry from The Daily Stoic Journal, urging listeners to focus on clearing their own debts and letting go of any notion that others owe them.
“Consider forgetting any notion of others owing you.”
— [07:17]
Marcus Aurelius Presented in Two Quotes:
On selfless good deeds:
“Rather like a vine producing a cluster of grapes without making further demands. Like a horse after its race, or a dog after its walk, or a bee after making its honey. Such a person having done a good deed, won’t go shouting from rooftops, but simply moves on to the next deed.”
— [07:38] (Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.6)
On not seeking the “third thing”:
“When you’ve done well and another has benefited by it, why, like a fool, do you look for the third thing on top—credit for the good deed or favor in return?”
— [08:24] (Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.73)
The Trap of Expectation (08:39):
Ryan reflects on Marcus’s repetition as a sign that even he struggled with the temptation to look for recognition or reciprocation:
“If you’re going through life looking for that third thing, you’re going to be disappointed all the time. And you’re going to question why you were doing the good thing…”
— [08:54]
Quid Pro Quo Pitfalls:
He warns that if good acts become transactional, it’s easy to become resentful or to stop acting virtuously altogether.
Call to Stoic Action:
The right thing should be done because it is inherently good and meaningful—not because of external rewards.
“The right thing is your job… Do the right thing because that’s what you were put here on this planet to do.”
— [09:16]
On Contentment:
“The ability to be content, to be grateful, to be at peace—these are real luxuries. You think about it, because they’re so rare…”
— [02:33]
On Clearing Debts:
“Forgive the debts that others owe you and be very diligent about paying your debts to all the people who have selflessly done good things for you in this world over the years.”
— [09:22]
Ryan’s delivery is thoughtful, accessible, and grounded in everyday life, making Stoic principles both practical and engaging. His reflections are honest, occasionally self-critical, and always rooted in the primary texts of Stoicism.