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No One is Truly Self Made after he lost everything in a shipwreck, Zeno washed up in Athens and walked into a bookstore where the bookseller happened to be reading dialogues from Socrates. Thus introduced to philosophy, he would go on to become one of the most well known and well respected thinkers of his time, advising princes and kings in a generation of Greeks. That school founded on the Stoa Pokele would become Stoicism, a philosophy which endures to this day. On the surface, Zeno's story is extraordinary. Born as an upper class wealthy merchant, he was forced to start over, build himself up from scratch, becoming truly a self made man. But this is misleading, as most success narratives are, because Zeno would not have become Zeno without meeting Crates, a teacher nicknamed the Door Opener, for what he did for so many students. Indeed, there is no great man or woman whose story does not involve being helped, guided and inspired by other great men and women. There would be no Epictetus as he studied under Musonius Rufus. There would be no Seneca without Attalus, no Chrysippus without Cleanthes, and no Cleanthes without Zeno. Why do you think Marcus Aurelius opens Meditations with a list of the 17 influential figures who taught him, nurtured him, inspired him, helped him. When I talked to Arnold Schwarzenegger on the Daily Stoic podcast, he talked about this very idea. And in fact he references how inspired he was by Meditations in the final chapter of his fantastic book. Be useful. On the surface, Arnold seems like the ultimate example of the idea of the self made man. He was born and raised in a small village in Austria, and seemingly by his own sheer effort and determination, Arnold achieved extraordinary success in bodybuilding, acting, business and politics. But as he told me, he didn't do it on his own. I have been a creation of hundreds of people, he said. Thousands of people. It's unbelievable the amount of people that help me and push me, he said. We are all in debt. As we've talked about here, the Daily Stoic, we are all the sum of the debts and lessons. As book one of Meditations is titled we accumulate from countless people who shape our lives. We are the product of our influences, our environments, our family and our friends. Success is a collaborative effort and the myth of the self made man is just that, a myth. There has never been such a thing and there never will be.
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It's sort of a surprising secret weapon, but it is. It's a secret weapon being talked about in corporate boardrooms and on military bases, locker rooms of professional sports teams, hedge funds, world changing NGOs. Stoicism is a thing that some of the best organizations and institutions in the world are using to be best better.
At what they do.
I know this because I'm one of the people that goes and talks to him about it. I'm Ryan Holiday, the bestselling author of the Daily Stoic and many other books, and I've had the honor of being in the rooms with some pretty incredible people, from professional athletes to C suite executives, world leaders.
I even gave a talk at the White House.
And in this video I'm going to share some of the things that I share with those people. Stories I've told you in my talks about stoic philosophy and I hope you like it. And look, most of the talks that I do the public can't come to, but if you want to come hear me talk about stoic philosophy in person, I do have a few shows coming up.
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Stoicism is not a recipe for being a better sociopath. It is a philosophy built around the common good. It's interesting, I feel like if you asked someone who was vaguely familiar with stoicism and said, you know, do you know about the stoic circles of concern? They would go, oh yeah, that's. You're only concerned with what's in your control. They're confusing that with the dichotomy of concern. The dichotomy of control is there's some stuff that's not up to us and then there's this tiny little bit that's up to us. The circles of concern is a much more beautiful, much more powerful idea which comes to us from Hierakles, a little known stoic who said that we exist in a series of concentric circles which we are the center of. Yes, we love ourselves, but we come to love our parents who took care of us. We come to love our spouse or our children. We love our fellow citizens, we love our neighboring countries. We Love bigger and bigger groups of people. And you could expand these circles outwards to include animals, to include the planet, to include unborn future generations. Hierakles says that the work of philosophy growth as a human being is about being able to expand those circles or to bring those outer circles inwards. To care about people that you've never met, to care about people who have never been born. You don't control them, sure, but you care about having a positive impact on them.
Wisdom isn't something anyone can give us. We have to earn it to do the work. That's what I think so interesting about AI people are talking about what it's going to replace. You know that it's the sum total of all humans knowledge except you still have to interpret what it spits out. I was working on something on, on the wisdom book which I was just finishing and there was a quote that I, you know, as I read I take all these notes and I forgot to say where I'd gotten a, a quote from. I'd marked that it was a quote, but I, I wanted to check who it was from. I asked chatgpt, I said where does this quote from Lincoln come from? And it said oh, that's actually not a quote about Lincoln. It said that's a. That's Mark Twain talking about Charles Dickens or something like that. I said I don't know, I'm pretty sure it's about Lincoln. And said oh yeah, you're totally right. That's Tolstoy talking about Lincoln.
And I thought oh no, I just read Tolstoy's very famous meditation on Lincoln and I knew it wasn't in there. And I said I'm pretty sure it's not. I think it's from his secretary John Hay. And it says, oh yes, you're totally right, it's from secretary John Hay. And I said really? Can you prove it? Where's it from? And he said oh, it's in book 11 of their biography of Lincoln. And I pulled up book 11 and it was about something totally different where this quote wouldn't have been. I said no, it's not. And it said you're right.
It'S not. But they said something very similar. And what I realized what struck me is sure, this is the sum total of all human wisdom, but it also is trying to tell me what it thinks I want to hear, right? It can't say, I don't know. It can't say that I'm confused. It's trying to fool me. So I will leave it Alone, Right? And so even this incredible tool. And I. I had no problem with tools. I. I prefer a lot of analog things, but I. I'm always interested in how new tools can help you and make you better. What struck me about this is. Oh, still, even wisdom, intelligence, skill, insight, the ability to communicate. All the sort of things that go into wisdom, experience, intuition. I just had a sense of where this quote was coming from. Without this, I would have been fooled one or two or three or four different times. And so even now, with this magical thing at our fingertips, without a strong base of experience, a strong sense of historical knowledge, without an ability to spot bullshit, you're gonna get eaten alive.
I lost my copy of Meditations on the flight here. I left it on the plane, one I'd had for several years. But that's how it goes. There's a funny Epictetus story. He has this lamp in his house. It's his prized lamp in this shrine that he has. And he wakes up one evening and he hears someone in his house. A thief has broken in, and they steal it. And he says to himself, you can only lose what you have. And the next day he goes and he buys a cheaper one. To him, it was a reminder about why we can't cling to possessions, take them too seriously. Thankfully, I publish my own edition, so I have an endless supply. But.
I did lose all my notes, which I'm pretty upset about. Not my original copy. I don't travel with that one for precisely that reason. I'll lose it someday, I'm sure. Could go up in a fire or whatever. That's Epictetus's lesson from that. But we're told that after his death, a fan buys the wooden lamp for a small fortune as a reminder of the power of the philosophy, thus missing the whole point of the lamp.
Stoicism was what partly inspired me to drop out of college. It's partly what inspired me to quit my marketing and business career. It was scary. I didn't know if it would work. But Stoicism is a philosophy around logic. Part of how it helps you through hard things is it walks you through the costs and the benefits. It tells you that life is scary and that a life without risk is impossible, and that you've got to be brave enough to meet it. It says, look back at earlier parts of your life. Look at your life as a whole. How did you get where you were? By taking risks, by doing things. Everything that's good in our life is on the other side of some courageous decision. Sometimes Minor. Sometimes major. The courage to talk to someone. The courage to go out for something, to raise your hand for something. The courage to try something. The courage to say, speak up about something. Courage to quit something that wasn't working. To reject the status quo in the hope of a better future.
Marcus says that everything is a chance to practice virtue. What does he mean? Virtue is a hard word. I think people see it as self righteousness. They associate it with virtue signaling, or they associate it with this religion or that religion. But for the Stoics, virtue was not one thing, but actually four. And to look at those four Stoic virtues, we have to go back to the founding of Stoicism, which itself came out of disaster. Zeno is a merchant in the Mediterranean in the 4th century. He's a dealer in what's called Tyrian Purple. It's this exclusive and incredibly rare purple dye that would make the garments of the wealthiest and fanciest Greeks. And later, when Marcus would assume the purple become the emperor, that's what they were referring to. He would wear the purple cloak of Roman royalty. Zeno is traveling with his convoy of ships through the Mediterranean when he encounters a storm or pirates or runs aground, and he loses everything. He washes up in Athens, penniless, and he ends up in a bookstore. And there hearing the works of Socrates read aloud, having a conversation with the dead, fulfilling a prophecy from the oracle at Deli, he is introduced to philosophy. He would say later that he made a great fortune when he suffered a shipwreck because it drove him to philosophy. He would set up a philosophical school on the Stoa Pokele, the Painted Porch, which is the name of my bookstore on the Stoa Pokele in the Athenian Agora. That's where the Stoa in Stoicism comes from. He doesn't name the philosophy after himself. He names it after the school. So the Stoa Pokele is where Stoicism is brought into the world, and it comes out of this disaster. His great misfortune is actually not just his fortune, but our fortune. Here we are, all of us influenced by the ideas that this man comes up with nearly 25 centuries ago.
Entrepreneur Guest
I sometimes struggle with the essential principle of Stoicism, which is differentiating between things that we can control and we cannot.
Ryan Holiday
Me too.
Entrepreneur Guest
I mean, it's an entrepreneur. And as an entrepreneur, you need to do your best, but sometimes you need to do a little bit more. It's been fascinating for myself. I love it. But on the other hand, sometimes I think there's. There's a moment when maybe I should get some peace, you know?
Ryan Holiday
Yeah.
Entrepreneur Guest
And I want to take it back to you when you talked about your book in this example, you write a book that's under your control, and then the marketing and the sales are not. But.
Ryan Holiday
But you can have some influence over them.
Yeah.
This is the tricky part. There's two parts. So one, acceptance is a stoic concept that I think a lot of us struggle with because we didn't get where we are by accepting things. Right. Like you didn't accept.
No.
You didn't accept the people who were rooting against you. You didn't accept the odds. You didn't accept any number of the problems that should have been career killers, company killers. You kept going, and through sheer force of will, you build whatever you build. Then we come up against something, and we want to fight it and push against it, but it really is out of our control. It's the weather, it's what somebody else did. So acceptance is just accepting the facts. And then the part that's in my control is the response, what I tell myself about it and what I do next. So that's kind of how I try to think about acceptance. But yes, the black and whiteness of it's in your control and not in your control is tricky. If you've done anything like marketing or we're talking about persuading people earlier, you don't control what other people think, but you can give them the tools or say things or present things that might allow them to change their mind. So there's probably a third category, something in the. The middle that is like what we have influence over or what we can nudge. And as long as we accept that it's not fully up to us and that we're making a probabilistic decision here or, you know, that's probably a safer way to come at it, then no, I can make people love this. Can't.
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Episode: No One is Truly “Self-Made” | The Philosophy Behind High Achievers
Date: December 5, 2025
Host: Ryan Holiday
In this episode, Ryan Holiday explores the myth of the "self-made" individual, drawing from Stoic philosophy to show how even the most successful people stand on the shoulders of others. Through the stories of famous Stoics and contemporary figures like Arnold Schwarzenegger, the discussion emphasizes the collaborative, interconnected nature of achievement and the importance of recognizing and expanding our circles of concern. The episode also touches on practical Stoic principles such as acceptance, control, and courage, making ancient wisdom relevant for modern listeners.
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“We are all the sum of the debts and lessons... we accumulate from countless people who shape our lives.”
—Ryan Holiday [02:43]
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“I have been a creation of hundreds of people, he said. Thousands of people. It’s unbelievable the amount of people that help me and push me...”
—Arnold Schwarzenegger via Ryan Holiday [01:46]
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Quote:
"Hierakles says that the work of philosophy, growth as a human being, is about being able to expand those circles or to bring those outer circles inwards. To care about people that you’ve never met, to care about people who have never been born.”
—Ryan Holiday [08:00]
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“Without a strong base of experience, a strong sense of historical knowledge, without an ability to spot bullshit, you’re gonna get eaten alive.”
—Ryan Holiday [10:32]
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“Everything that’s good in our life is on the other side of some courageous decision. Sometimes minor, sometimes major.”
—Ryan Holiday [12:47]
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“There’s probably a third category, something in the middle... what we have influence over or what we can nudge.”
—Ryan Holiday [16:17]
On Community and Mentorship:
“There would be no Epictetus as he studied under Musonius Rufus. There would be no Seneca without Attalus, no Chrysippus without Cleanthes, and no Cleanthes without Zeno.”
—Ryan Holiday [01:13]
On Virtue:
"Marcus says that everything is a chance to practice virtue."
—Ryan Holiday [13:19]
On Expanding Concern:
"We come to love our parents... our spouse or our children... fellow citizens... neighboring countries... you could expand these circles outwards to include animals, to include the planet, to include unborn future generations."
—Ryan Holiday [07:43]
Guest Perspective:
“As an entrepreneur, you need to do your best, but sometimes you need to do a little bit more. It’s been fascinating for myself… sometimes I think there’s a moment when maybe I should get some peace, you know?"
—Entrepreneur Guest [15:28]
Ryan Holiday’s episode dispels the notion of anyone being “self-made,” emphasizing humility, gratitude, and the interconnected nature of success and virtue. The Stoic principles discussed are not abstract but tied directly to life’s challenges, relationships, and our capacity for positive impact. Whether you seek inspiration for personal growth, practical tools for handling adversity, or a deeper understanding of ancient wisdom in a modern context, this episode offers insights worth reflecting on daily.