Stephen Hanselman (4:03)

find yourself a Cato Today's entry from The Daily Stoic.

Ryan Holiday (4:08)

366 Meditations on Wisdom, Perseverance and the art of living. You can check out the leather edition@dailystoic.com leather or if you just want the cloth bound lay flat version, the standard hardcover. You can pick that up anywhere books are sold and also@store.dailystoak.com and I'll sign your edition as well.

Stephen Hanselman (4:29)

We can remove most sins if we have a witness standing by as we are about to go wrong. The soul should have someone it can respect by whose example it can make its inner sanctum more inviolable. Happy is the person who can improve others, not only when present, but even when in their thoughts. Seneca's moral letters 119 Cato the Younger, a Roman politician best known for his self discipline and his heroic defense of the Republic against Julius Caesar, appears constantly throughout the Stoic literature. Which is interesting because he didn't write anything down. He taught no classes, he gave no interviews. It was his bold and brave example that made him such a commonly cited and quoted philosopher. Seneca tells us that we should each have our own cato, a great and noble person we can allow into our minds and used to guide our actions even when they're not physically present. The economist Adam Smith had a similar concept which he called the impartial spectator. It doesn't have to be an actual person, just someone who, like Seneca said, can stand by and witness our behavior. Someone who can quietly admonish us if we are considering doing something lazy, dishonest or selfish. And if we do it right and live our lives in such a way, perhaps we too can, can later serve as someone else's cato or a spectator when someone else needs it. The line from Adam Smith is in the wonderful book by my friend Russ Roberts, which you should check out. It's called Adam Smith Can Change youe Life. We carry it at the Painted Porch. It's a must read. But it's like, you know, in the cartoons, there's the angel on the shoulder and the devil on the shoulder, and who are you going to listen to? Or if you remember those bracelets, what would Jesus do, Right? The idea is to have that person in your mind, whether it's Cato or Marcus Aurelius or your grandfather or Abraham Lincoln or Harriet Tubman or whoever it is for you. Who is your hero and what decisions would they make in those situations? When I interviewed Annie Duke for the Leadership Challenge, she was talking about, like, getting to the outside of a problem, right? When you're in it, when it's you, you can get tied up in what you want to do or what your impulses say, or what's easiest, but you want to get to the outside of the problem. And this idea of the spectator or the cato or the hero, it allows you to think about it from someone else's perspective. So not like, what would you allow yourself to get away with, but what would so and so expect of you in this situation? The other version you can think about this is like, what would you do if your kids were watching, if they understood John Wooden was fond of a poem and the line said, a little fellow follows you? And this is a similar idea, right? What would you do if your kids were watching? What would you do if anyone was watching, but allowing those standards to hold you to a higher standard than you might otherwise let yourself get away with? But then I think this is really the important part, this last sentence about if we do it right, if we live our lives right, perhaps we could be that way. So Remember, stoicism is about putting your own spin on. It's about being the ideas. I think getting to a place where you yourself have lived your life in such a way, produced work in such a way, made brave or virtuous decisions in such a way that you yourself can serve as a model for other people, Right? So maybe even using that as your own standard, who do I want to be?

Ryan Holiday (7:59)

Right?

Stephen Hanselman (8:00)

Who am I aspiring to be? And what would that person do in this situation? Would they take the shortcut? Would they phone it in? Would they do the expedient thing? Would they do the short term thing? You know, what would they do? And pushing yourself to be that person. That's, to me, what stoicism is about. Again, the example of Cato is so inspiring because for literally hundreds of years, Cato was that example. Cato was that for Thracia and for Seneca, for countless stoics on down, Cato was the inspiring example. When I had Tom Ricks on the podcast, who's another great book, I highly recommend First Principles, which we also sell in the bookstore. Cato was Washington's Cato. Washington built his whole life around living up to the example of Cato. And he didn't always get there, but he pushed himself to get there. And so again, try to find that towering example. That's the first part. And let them guide your behavior. Let them call you, hold you accountable to what you're capable of being, and then strive to be that in such a way that you yourself, for your children, for your colleagues, for your neighbor, for whomever you yourself can serve as a kind of example for them.

Ryan Holiday (9:18)

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