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Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, where each day we bring you a Stoic inspired meditation designed to help you find strength and insight and wisdom into everyday life. Each one of these episodes is based on the 2000 year old philosophy that has guided some of history's greatest men and women. To help you learn from them, to follow in their example, and to start your day off with a little dose of courage and discipline and justice and wisdom. For more, visit Dailystoic.com you must seek out hard truths. Most of the time it would have been subtle, but it always would have been there. People admired Marcus Aurelius or they wanted something from him, or they feared him. So they would have agreed with him, filtered what they told him, flattered him. There's a famous scene in Hamlet where Polonius is confirming everything that Hamlet says is a kind of stuff sycophant. Here, I'll play a clip of it for you. Do you see yonder cloud that's almost in shape of a camel? By the mass and tis like a camel indeed. Methinks it is like a weasel. It is bat like a weasel or like a whale? Very like a whale. This would have been an everyday occurrence for Marcus. It was for his predecessor Hadrian. In fact, that's one of the reasons that Hadrian took to Marcus. Marcus was a kid that told the king the truth, not unlike the fable about the emperor's new clothes. Perhaps this is why Marcus Aurelius wrote Meditations Total into himself. He didn't want people fawning over his work. Instead, he wanted a private space to hold himself accountable. Indeed, when Marcus writes in Meditations about striving not to be imperialized or dyed purple, he was talking about not being fooled by the subtle lies and sycophancy that his position engendered. When he talked about being done a service by those who pointed out his mistakes, he was trying to create an environment that facilitated truth and not a bubble of confirmation. As leaders, we cannot allow people to tell us what we want to hear. We have to cultivate honesty, both in ourselves and in those around us. The best leaders don't surround themselves with flatterers. They surround themselves with people who challenge them, who keep them accountable, who help them see reality as it is. And this is one of the hardest disciplines of leadership, but it is also one of the most essential. And actually it's a big part of the Daily Stoic leadership challenge. How do you build this sort of board of directors, this environment where as a leader you're getting access to good information, to truth you're not being misled. You're not being cesarified. Right? We talk a lot about this and we interviewed a bunch of great experts who've all struggled with this. Someone who's now the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States is in there. The CEO of a professional basketball franchise. Entrepreneurs, leaders, leadership experts, elected leaders. They're all in there. 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Marcus Aurelius (reading from Meditations)
When you have trouble getting out of bed, tell yourself, I have to go to work. As a human being. What do I have to complain of if I'm going to do what I was born for? The things I was brought into this world to do? Or is this what I was created for? To huddle under the blankets and stay warm? But it's nicer here. So you were born to feel nice instead of doing things and experiencing them. Do you see the plants, the birds, the ants and spiders and bees going about their individual tasks, putting the world in order as best they can? And you're not willing to do your job as a human being? Why aren't you running to do what your nature demands? But we have to sleep sometime. Agreed. But nature set a limit on that, as it did on eating and drinking, and you're over the limit. You've had more than enough of that. But not of working there. You're still below your quota. You don't love yourself enough, or you'd love your nature too, and what it demands of you. People who love what they do wear themselves down doing it. They even forget to wash or eat. Do you have less respect for your own nature than the engraver does for engraving the dancer for the dance? When they're really possessed by what they do, they'd rather stop eating and sleeping than give up practicing their arts. Is helping others less valuable to you? Not worth your effort?
Ryan Holiday
He buried too many children. He saw plagues and flood and war. He was. He was betrayed by those closest to him. He was surrounded by the corrupt and the inept and the endlessly ambitious. While critics are wrong to call Marcus Aurelius depressing or negative, he was unquestionably in pain, tired and frustrated. This was a man who quite understandably, found himself, as we all do, tired of life. Yet despite the role that Suicide had played in the history of Stoicism and the more accepted place it had in Roman history. Marcus did not choose that route. He did not blame anyone. He did not resent the hand he was dealt or the painful cards he had to play. He soldiered on. He found respite in physical activity and his work. He tried, as we talked about recently, to focus on the beauty amid the ugliness of life. He was brave enough to ask for help. As we have also talked about, Marcus Aurelius not only kept getting out of bed each morning, but he pushed himself to do it early. He reminded himself in those very same pages of meditations the reasons why he was here on this planet, what his nature demanded of him, what his duty was. He carried on and found relief and purpose and even joy in this. No matter who you are or what you're going through, the same thing is available to you inside your soul. Marcus Aurelius would remind you there is peace that you can retreat to anytime you like. It's okay that you're tired. It's understandable and perfectly acceptable. Just use the resources available to you. Most of all, stick around. Marcus Aurelius must have wondered what he did to deserve all this. First, he lost his father at age 3. Then he was pulled from his first love, philosophy, and pushed into politics. When he finally became emperor, decades of peace exploded into 19 years of border wars and civil strife. There was a plague, there were floods. He had crippling health problems. At some point, as he buried another one of his children, as he wept over the ceaseless toll from the disease and pestilence, he must have thought, haven't I given enough? When will this end? What fresh horrors await? And yet, somehow, someway, he never managed to give himself over to this despair. He kept going. He pushed away resentment and bitterness, fear or helplessness. There are dark moments in his meditations, to be sure, but mostly what you see in those pages are little sentences about how life still has meaning, about how he can find goodness in the world, how he has to keep doing his duty. A full 10% of the book is given over to things he's grateful for. So don't let anyone tell you that stoicism is a dour and pessimistic philosophy. Don't let anyone tell you that this is a philosophy of resignation. On the contrary, it is a deeply optimistic and resilient belief system. It's not about giving up. It's about not giving up, not giving in, not letting fate or misfortune break you of loving life. Despite it all, Marcus never quit. He never took any of it personally. He never stopped being good, and neither can you.
Narrator / Historian
In the year 170, Marcus Aurelius, the emperor of the Roman Empire, sat down to write. Not to an audience or for publication, but to himself, for himself. And what he wrote is undoubtedly one of history's most effective formulas for overcoming every negative situation we may encounter in life. As Marcus wrote, our actions may be impeded, but there can be no impeding our intentions or dispositions because we can accommodate and adapt. And then he concluded with powerful words destined for the impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way. In Marcus, words are the secret Satan to an art known as turning obstacles upside down. To act with a reverse clause, so there is always a way out or another route to get where you need to go, so that setbacks or problems are always expected and never permanent, making certain that what impedes us can empower us. Coming from this particular man, these were not idle words. In his own reign of some 19 years, he would experience nearly constant war, a horrific plague, an attempt at the throne by one of his closest allies, repeated and arduous travel across the empire, a rapidly depleting treasury, and on and on and on. We are the rightful heirs to this tradition. It's our birthright.
Ryan Holiday
Whatever we face, we have a choice.
Narrator / Historian
Will we be blocked by obstacles, or will we advance through and over them? We might not be emperors, but the world is still constantly testing us. It asks, are you worthy? Can you get past the things that will inevitably fall in your way? Will you stand up and show us what you're made of?
Ryan Holiday
Late in his reign, sick and possibly near death, Marcus Aurelius, the Emperor of Rome, received surprising news. His old friend and his most trusted general, Avidius Cassius, had rebelled in Syria. Having heard the emperor was vulnerable, the ambitious general declared himself Caesar and seized the throne. Marcus, whose health was not as bad as the rumors had suggested, could have sprung into action. The bloody history of Rome tells us what his predecessors would have done. Instead, he held back. He took his time. What a thing to have done. He waited to see if Cassius would come to his senses. When it was clear that he would not, Marcus knew that he would need to respond. Instead of demanding the sadistic revenge possible to a man with unlimited power, Marcus Aurelius said they would forgive a man who has wronged one, remain a friend to one who has transgressed friendship, and continue faithful to one who has broken faith. Marcus acted rightly and Firmly. He ordered troops to Rome to calm the panicking crowds. And he set out to do what must be done. Protect the empire, put down a threat. In the end, Cassius was struck down by a lone assassin in Egypt three months later. Marcus was said to weep at the news, since it deprived him of the chance to grant clemency. In response, he ordered the Senate not to put a single conspirator to death. He said, don't stain my reign with blood. While most of us won't be betrayed by a trusted general or faced with a civil war, all of us will face adversity. Markets will crash. Things will break. Forces will try to hold us back. Bad stuff will happen. We can turn even this to our advantage. It is an opportunity. It's always a chance for us to practice virtue, to be good, to be decent, to be kind. If our only option is to simply be a good person and practice forgiveness, well, that's still a pretty good option, too. Let virtue lead the way, Seneca said, and every step will be safe. Perhaps safe is the wrong word, but it will be the way. Since Plato, it had been the dream of wise men that one day there might be such a thing as a philosopher king. This star, born April 26, 121 A.D. was named Marcus Annius Verus. And for all impossible expectations and responsibilities, he would manage to prove himself worthy of all of it. The early days of the boy who would become Marcus Aurelius were defined by both loss and promise. His father, Varus, died when he was three. He was raised by his grandfathers, who doted on him and who clearly showed him off at court. Even at an early age, he developed a reputation for honesty. The emperor Hadrian, sensing his potential, began to keep an eye on him. By the time Marcus was 10 or 11, he'd already taken to philosophy, dressing the part in humble rough clothing and living with sober and restrained habits, even sleeping on the ground to toughen himself up. Marcus would write later about the character traits he tried to define himself by which he called epithets for the self. And they were upright, modest, straightforward, sane, cooperative, disinterested. Hadrian, who never had a son and had begun to think of choosing a successor, must have sensed the commitment to those ideas in Marcus. From boyhood on, he must have seen, as they hunted wild boar together, some combination of courage and calmness, compassion and firmness. He must have seen something in his soul that Marcus likely could not even see himself, because by Marcus's 17th birthday, Hadrian had begun planning something extraordinary. He was going to make Marcus Aurelius, the Emperor of Rome. On February 25, 138 AD, Hadrian adopted an able and trustworthy 55 year old administrator named Antoninus Pius on the condition that he in turn adopt Marcus Aurelius. By the time Hadrian died a few months later, destiny was set. Marcus Aurelius was groomed for a position that only 15 people had ever held in Rome. He was to be made Caesar. Unlike most princes, Marcus did not yearn for power. We are told that when he learned he had been officially adopted by Hadrian, he was greatly saddened rather than overjoyed. Perhaps that's because he would have rather been a writer or a philosopher. Reservations are not the same as cowardice, however. The most confident leaders, the best ones, are often worried that they won't do a good enough job. They go in knowing it will not be easy or. But they do proceed. And Marcus around this time would dream a dream that he had shoulders made of ivory. To him, it was a sign he could do this. It wasn't just the headwind of power that Marcus faced in life. From his letters we know he had recurring painful health problems. He became a father at age 26, a transformative and trying experience for any man. In Marcus's case, though, fate was almost unbelievably cruel. He and his wife Faustina would have 13 children. Only five would survive into adulthood. His reign from 161 to 180 was marked by the Antonine plague, a global pandemic that originated in the Far east, spread mercilessly across borders and claimed the lives of at least 5 million people over 15 years. And he faced some 19 years of of wars at the borders. But these external things don't deter a Stoic. Marcus believed that plagues and war could only threaten our life. What we need to protect is our character. How we act within these wars and plagues and life's other setbacks. To abandon character, that's real evil. Consider the first action that Marcus Aurelius took. In 161 A.D. when his adopted father, Antony Pius died, Marcus Aurelius found himself in an even more complex situation. He had an adoptive brother, Lucius Varus, who had even closer ties to Hadrian's legacy. What ought he do? What would you do? Marcus Aurelius cut this Gordian knot with effortlessness and grace. He named his adoptive brother Lucius Varus co emperor. The first thing Marcus Aurelius did with absolute power was voluntarily share half of it. But this was just one of several such gestures that defined Marcus Aurelius his reign. When the Antonine plague hit Rome and the streets were littered with bodies and danger hung in the air, no one would have faulted him for fleeing the city. In fact, that might have been a more prudent course of action. Instead, Marcus stayed, never showing fear, reassuring the people by his very presence that he did not value his safety more than the responsibilities of his office. Later, when, due to the ravages of the plagues in those endless wars, Rome's treasury was exhausted, Marcus Aurelius was once again faced with the choice of doing things the easy way or the hard way. He could have levied high taxes, he could have looted the provinces, he could have kicked the can down the road, running up bills his successors would have to deal with. Instead, Marcus took all the imperial ornaments to the Forum and sold them for.
Narrator / Historian
For gold.
Ryan Holiday
As for us, he once said to the Senate about his family, we are so far from possessing anything of our own that even the house in which we live is yours. His dictum in life and in leadership was simple and straightforward. Do the right thing, the rest doesn't matter. No better expression or embodiment of Stoicism is found in his line and in his living than waste no more time talking, talking about what a good man is like. Be one. At the core of Marcus Aurelius, power as a philosopher and as a philosopher king seems to have been a pretty simple exercise that he must have heard about in Seneca's writings and then in Epictetus's the morning or the evening review. Every day and night, keep thoughts like these at hand, Epictetus had said. Write them, read them aloud, talk to yourself and others about them. So much of what we know about Marcus Aurelius philosophical thinking comes from the fact that for years he did that. He was constantly jotting down reminders and aphorisms of Stoic thinking to himself. The title Meditations, which dates to 167ad translates as to himself. This captures the essence of the book perfectly, for Marcus was truly writing for himself, as anyone who has read Meditations can easily feel. It is obvious in retrospect that Marcus used the pages of his journal to calm himself, to quiet his active mind, to get to the place of Apathea, the absence of passions. He would have loved to have spent all his time philosophizing, but it was not to be. To the few minutes he stole in his tent on campaign, or even in his seat at the Coliseum as the gladiators fought back below, he savored as opportunities for reflection. There is no theme that appears more in Marcus's writing than death. Perhaps it was his own health issues that made him so acutely aware of his mortality. But there were other sources. Since he did not flee Rome as many other wealthy citizens did during the plague, Marcus woke up in a surreal smelling city, a mixture of the putrid smell of dead bodies and the sweet aroma of incense. Think of yourself as dead, he writes. You have lived your life. Now take what's left and live it properly. On another page, he says, you could leave life right now. Let that determine what you do and say and think. We're told that Marcus was quite sick toward the end, far away from home on the Germanic battlefields near modern day Vienna. Even with his own end moments away, he was still teaching, trying to be a philosopher, particularly to his friends who were bereft with grief. Why do you weep for me? Marcus asked them, instead of thinking about the pestilence and about death, which is the common lot to us all. Then, with the dignity of a man who had practiced for this moment many times, he said, if you now grant me leave to go, I bid you farewell and pass on. Before he would survive a day or so more. Perhaps it was in these last few moments, weak in body but still strong in will, that he jotted down the last words that appear in his Meditations, a reminder to himself about staying true to his philosophy. So make your exit with grace, the same grace shown to you. Finally, on March 17, 180, at age 58, he covered his head to go to sleep and never woke up. Rome, and us, her descendants, would never see such greatness again. So this is not only one of the greatest books ever written, it's maybe the only book like it ever written. Just imagine, the most powerful man in the world sits down to write notes to himself, never expecting it to be published, not thinking about an audience at all. It's a book to himself for himself. It's a book for the writer, not for the reader. And yet, for almost 2,000 years, it's been a book that's changed the life and the lives of millions of readers, myself included. I'm talking about Marcus Aurelius. Meditations. Now, if I was to describe to you a book that's only a couple hundred pages. There's no intense or complex philosophical concepts that it's about seemingly simple things like how to deal with your anxiety, how to not be corrupted by success, how to deal with annoying or obnoxious people. You'd think this would be a straightforward, easy book to read, but it's not so myself and the team at Daily Stoic have been hard at work on an awesome new course designed to help you do just that. Sort of a book club companion how to Read Marcus Aurelius Meditations. It's a bunch of custom, self paced modules that give you everything you need to know about every little part of the book. There's video messages from me, there's a reason this book has endured for so long, and there's a reason it's changed the lives of so many people. If you want to get the most out of it, if you want to understand what's really going on between these two covers, you can head over to Dailystoic.com Meditations and sign up right now.
Marcus Aurelius (reading from Meditations)
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Marcus Aurelius (reading from Meditations)
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Episode: You Must Seek Out Hard Truths | Marcus Aurelius’ Advice For Life (5 Incredible Stories)
Date: May 23, 2025
Host: Ryan Holiday
This episode explores the enduring wisdom of Marcus Aurelius, focusing on the importance of seeking hard truths, cultivating honest self-reflection, and embodying Stoic virtues even in adversity. Ryan Holiday weaves together five powerful stories from Marcus’s life and writings, demonstrating how Stoic practices grounded his leadership and personal resilience. The episode offers actionable lessons for anyone aiming to lead with integrity, face difficulties with courage, and live a meaningful life.
Timestamp: 00:05–04:15
Summary:
Ryan discusses the common pitfall for leaders—being surrounded by people who only say what they think you want to hear. Drawing parallels to Shakespeare’s Hamlet, he highlights how Marcus Aurelius was wary of flattery and strove to avoid being "imperialized" or blinded by praise.
Insight:
True leaders must deliberately seek out honest feedback and create an environment that encourages truth, not confirmation.
Notable Quote:
“The best leaders don’t surround themselves with flatterers. They surround themselves with people who challenge them, who keep them accountable, who help them see reality as it is… one of the hardest disciplines of leadership, but also one of the most essential.” – Ryan Holiday (03:10)
Timestamp: 06:03–07:40
Summary:
Ryan reads and reflects on a passage from Meditations, where Marcus urges himself (and us) to rise each morning and do the work befitting our human nature, not succumb to comfort or complacency.
Insight:
Stoicism teaches us to align our actions with our greater purpose and to find fulfillment in our duty—no matter how daunting.
Notable Quote (Marcus Aurelius):
“You don’t love yourself enough, or you’d love your nature too, and what it demands of you. People who love what they do wear themselves down doing it… Is helping others less valuable to you? Not worth your effort?” (06:40)
Timestamp: 07:44–11:16
Summary:
Marcus Aurelius faced immense personal loss, betrayal, chronic illness, and ceaseless strife. Yet, he did not resort to resentment or despair. Instead, he saw pain and tiredness as natural, focusing on the beauty amid ugliness and cherishing small joys and gratitude.
Insight:
Stoicism isn’t about being emotionless; it’s about steadfastness, optimism, and refusing to relinquish one’s virtue or sense of meaning, no matter the circumstances.
Notable Quote:
“There are dark moments in his Meditations, to be sure, but mostly what you see… are little sentences about how life still has meaning, about how he can find goodness in the world, how he has to keep doing his duty. A full 10% of the book is given over to things he’s grateful for.” – Ryan Holiday (10:04)
Timestamp: 11:17–13:15
Summary:
A historian’s narration details how Marcus Aurelius, in Meditations, created a template for responding to setbacks—most famously: “What stands in the way becomes the way.” This mindset, forged through relentless trials, empowers us to see obstacles as the raw material for growth.
Notable Quote:
“Our actions may be impeded, but there can be no impeding our intentions or dispositions because we can accommodate and adapt… The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” – Marcus Aurelius (11:40)
Ryan Holiday intersperses five stories illustrating Marcus’ application of Stoic principles:
Timestamp: 13:16–15:40
Story: In response to his trusted general Cassius’s betrayal, Marcus chose clemency and refused to spill more blood, even showing sadness at Cassius’ death, which robbed him of the chance to forgive.
Lesson: Virtue and forgiveness are always available choices, especially in adversity.
Notable Quote:
“Don’t stain my reign with blood.” – Marcus Aurelius (14:55, as paraphrased by Ryan Holiday)
Timestamp: 21:22–22:40
Story: Instead of burdening the already struggling people with taxes, Marcus sold palace treasures to refill Rome’s treasury.
Lesson: True leaders serve others, even at personal cost.
Notable Quote:
“As for us… we are so far from possessing anything of our own that even the house in which we live is yours.” – Marcus Aurelius to the Senate (20:53, paraphrased)
Timestamp: 23:05–24:10
Summary:
Ryan underscores Marcus’s “morning and evening reviews”—constant habits of personal examination modeled after Epictetus and Seneca. Writing Meditations was Marcus’s private way to hold himself accountable and stay close to Stoic ideals, even when surrounded by chaos.
Notable Quote:
“Waste no more time talking about what a good man is like. Be one.” – Marcus Aurelius (21:10, paraphrased)
Timestamp: 24:11–25:52
Summary:
Marcus embraced the reality of death, using it to ignite urgency and perspective. Even as he lay dying, he consoled those around him and exemplified detachment and composure, encouraging others to live each day intentionally.
Notable Quotes (Marcus Aurelius):
“You could leave life right now. Let that determine what you do and say and think.” (25:00)
“Why do you weep for me?... If you now grant me leave to go, I bid you farewell and pass on.” (25:10, paraphrased)
| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------|------------| | Introduction and Leadership Bubble Warning | 00:05–04:15| | Marcus on Duty and Nature (Reading) | 06:03–07:40| | Marcus’s Resilience Through Adversity | 07:44–11:16| | The Obstacle is the Way (Turning Setbacks) | 11:17–13:15| | Five Stories of Stoic Leadership | 13:16–22:40| | Practice of Daily Reflection | 23:05–24:10| | Meditating on Mortality | 24:11–25:52| | The Legacy of Meditations | 25:53–26:03|
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