Dan Le Batard is Petulantly Arrogant | Hour 1

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show – "Dan Le Batard is Petulantly Arrogant | Hour 1"

Date: August 6, 2026 | Location: Live from The Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Host: Dan Le Batard
Guests/Co-hosts: Amin Elhassan, Jeremy Schaap, Dave Damashek, Tony Reali

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show centers on Dan’s infamous "petulant arrogance," media hypocrisy, media coverage standards, and the collision of sports, pop culture, and inside jokes. The first hour is classic Le Batard: playful mockery, earnest debates on media ethics, and meandering, rapid-fire riffing on yodeling, jelly beans, personal hygiene, play-by-play broadcasting, and how sports and media standards are evolving (or degenerating).

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Dan’s Media Persona: Exploration of Dan Le Batard’s reputation in sports media, using a critical quote as a springboard into deeper self-examination and commentary.
• Media Ethics & Coverage: Debates about journalistic standards, particularly around sensitive personal stories (Diana Rossini/Mike Vrabel situation).
• Play & Absurdity: Celebrating and poking fun at weirdness and performativity in both sports culture (yodel-offs, play-by-play calls) and everyday life (soap vs. shampoo, jelly bean flavors).
• Fan Participation: The lines between fans and pros blur, with stories of auction winners and public tryouts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dan’s Hall of Fame Vote and Reputation (02:20–03:00)

• Kickoff: Dan explains the episode’s title, referencing a column calling him “petulantly arrogant” after he lost his Hall of Fame vote.

  • Quote: “Instead of Dan Le Batard is Highly Questionable, a more appropriate name would be Dan Le Batard is Petulantly Arrogant.” – Dan (02:20)

• Panel’s Reaction: The team riffs about Dan’s reputation, poking fun at the egos of baseball writers and reframing the show as "PA – Petulantly Arrogant."

• Meta-commentary: Dan suggests wrestling with the power dynamics and sensitivities of traditional sports media.

2. Yodeling Segment: Pop Culture Nonsense (03:00–06:00)

• Yodel-Off: Amin, Damashek, and Jeremy Schaap’s attempts at yodeling devolve into debates on national origin, authenticity, and what counts as yodeling.
• Memorable banter:
  • Amin: “I always think of the yodel that’s like the generic yodel. Right?” (04:35)
  • Damashek: “The English word yodel is derived from the German word jodelin. But you probably don’t want me to say that, Dan.” (05:50)
  • Escalates to movie clichés and Price is Right sound effects.

3. Jelly Bean & Root Beer Debate (06:00–07:00)

• Best Jelly Bean Flavor: Damashek proclaims root beer as the top flavor, inciting mock outrage.
  • Dan: “No, we all know that the best flavor of jelly bean is the buttered popcorn.” (06:34)
  • Damashek: “If I wanted buttered popcorn flavor, you know what I’d have? Buttered popcorn.” (06:43)

4. Soap, Shampoo, and The Conditioner Conspiracy (08:00–13:00)

• Absurd Arguments: The group debates using shampoo as body wash, the value of conditioner, and the evils of "Big Conditioner."

  • Damashek: “Shampoo and soap equal each other. You’re a dupe if you don’t understand that.” (08:33)
  • Schaap: “Conditioner is a ruse...and then they started putting the conditioner in with the shampoo.” (09:38)

• Ethnic and Cultural Differences: Dan and Amin discuss hair types and cultural grooming—“Two Americas” when it comes to conditioner.

5. Media Ethics & The Diana Rossini/Mike Vrabel Story (16:05–25:54)

• Context: Dan addresses criticism for not covering the rumored Rossini-Vrabel infidelity story, defending his silence out of both friendship and ethical standards.

  • “I’m not going to be commenting on pictures taken by the New York Post when my friend is still denying that this is so. Not until I get more information.” – Dan (18:30)

• Changing Standards: Dan and the group discuss Internet-driven shifts in privacy and media coverage (e.g., Tiger Woods as a turning point).

• Gender Double-Standards: Dan calls out the harsher scrutiny on Diana Rossini compared to Vrabel—“the standard is different for women.”

• Panel Weighs In:

  • Schaap notes the irony of Aaron Rodgers demanding “journalism” on Pat McAfee’s platform, which leans away from hard news.
    • “It all starts with Muhammad Ali and Howard Cosell being willing to go there... Pat McAfee has instituted successfully: sports are supposed to be fun. Let’s not talk...about anything else.” (23:33–24:50)
  • Dan: “I don’t think it’s wrong...to just say, let’s make sports fun and a little dangerous, but not in the dangerous places that you want it...But I’m less good with that than you are. And I’m going to keep repeating to you guys know that you’re changing the standard.” (24:50–25:54)

6. Fan Performance & The Joy of Play-by-Play (25:54–36:10)

• Modern Yodeling: The group remembers “Walmart Yodel Kid” Mason Ramsey, with generational confusion as a comedic highlight. (25:54–26:32)

• Broadcast Auctions: Discussion of a Phillies broadcast auction winner, Louis Cobb, who improbably provided legitimate play-by-play.

  • “He’s got to be a ringer…First of all, his voice is exactly the kind for radio baseball.” – Amin (28:40)
  • Dan: “You can say anything like a baseball broadcaster and be talking differently than any other human being has ever talked.” (29:18)

• Transition to G League Tryouts: They compare this to public tryouts for NBA G League affiliates, joking about ineptitude—except for the one true success story, Jonathan Simmons, who parlayed a $150 tryout into an NBA career. (36:10–38:07)

7. Breaking the Fourth Wall: Fan as Player, Eddie Gaedel & Silliness in Sports (38:07–41:32)

• Why Not Let Fans Play?: Jeremy Schaap half-jokingly advocates for fans from the stands to play outfield for a half-inning for tanking MLB teams, invoking the real-life Eddie Gaedel stunt.
  • Schaap: “Teams that are out of it in Major League Baseball should allow someone in the stands to play right field for a half inning.” (37:48)
  • Dan: [On Eddie Gaedel] “He works hard. Bill Veeck was a cartoonishly carnival type of owner … he decided to put a little person in the batter’s box and see if you can throw a pitch in his strike zone. And he was indeed walked.” (39:48)

8. Play-by-Play Disaster, Chin Music & Jay Leno’s Face (41:32–45:09)

• Stugotz’s Broadcasting Mishap: The show plays a clip of Stugotz giving disastrous Marlins play-by-play, leading to jokes about the definition of “chin music.”

  • “Chin music normally isn’t swung at. Swung at that stage.” – Stugotz via Dan (41:32)

• Chin Music Origins: Damashek explains it derives from fan heckling, later meaning the “music” of a fastball buzzing by a batter’s chin (44:37).

  • Dan: “I’d go chin whistle, but I guess it’s semantics…Put it on the poll: Is chin whistling more accurate than chin music?” (44:53–45:01)

• Jay Leno Detour: The panel riff on Jay Leno’s accident and face size, blending pop culture references with sports banter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Petulantly Arrogant” as self-satire: Dan both owns and lampoons his critics, weaving the criticism into the framing of the episode. (02:20)
• On media changes:
  • Dan: “The Internet has changed the rules and the Internet’s gonna have fun with this…but I understood why ESPN sat that one out because it’s not something they’ve ever covered before.” (18:30–20:16)
• On gender standards:
  • “It’s because the standard is different for women. The journalism element is a nice rationalization for covering it differently, but it allows us permission to go after Diana.” – Dan (20:16)
• Dan on fun vs. journalism:
  • “Let’s make sports fun and a little dangerous, but not in the dangerous places that you want it…I’m going to keep repeating to you guys know that you’re changing the standard.” (24:50–25:54)
• Amin on the auction winner:
  • “His voice is exactly the kind for radio baseball.” (28:40)
• Schaap on Aaron Rodgers:
  • “The irony of a quarterback, as you say, in an age when we know everybody’s significant other…Are we supposed to dig in on that as well? How deep are we going to go into Mike Vrabel?” (22:30)
• Tony Reali on Shampoo as Soap:
  • “Shampoo only. So I had to use shampoo as my soap for one night, Dan. I was slick as a dolphin.” (11:13)

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• 02:20 – Dan introduces “Petulantly Arrogant” theme based on media criticism.
• 03:00–06:00 – The yodeling segment and play-within-a-play across pop culture and sports tropes.
• 06:34–07:00 – Jelly bean flavor rankings, root beer vs. buttered popcorn.
• 08:33–13:16 – Soap, shampoo, and the “conditioner is a scam” debate.
• 16:05–25:54 – Extended segment on media ethics, coverage of Diana Rossini/Mike Vrabel, and ESPN’s shifting standards; also touches on Pat McAfee, Aaron Rodgers, and gender.
• 25:54–29:18 – Debate on “modern yodeling” and the Walmart Yodel Kid; introduction of the Phillies auction winner’s play-by-play.
• 29:18–38:07 – Fan participation, play-by-play, G League tryouts, and Jonathan Simmons’ story.
• 38:07–41:32 – Eddie Gaedel, Bill Veeck, and fan stunts in Major League Baseball.
• 41:32–45:09 – Broadcasting blunders, “chin music,” its etymology, and Jay Leno’s infamous mishap.

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Tone and Style

• Irreverent and fast-moving – The hosts switch topics with quick wit and playful sarcasm.
• Self-aware – Dan is highly meta, both critiquing and embodying “petulant arrogance.”
• Smart but unserious – Even the harder-edged media questions are couched in jokes and pop culture deep cuts.
• Inclusive banter – All panelists are given room to riff, disagree, and escalate the silliness.

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Summary – For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a masterclass in the show’s style: equal parts media critique, inside-sports-jokes, and cultural lampooning. Through playful arguments about yodeling, candy, and hygiene, the group exposes the absurdity lurking beneath broadcast sports and sports journalism. At the same time, Le Batard and company take a rare, substantive look at how the lines between news and entertainment are drawn—and redrawn—by institutions and the Internet alike. Whether debating women’s treatment in sports scandals, impersonating play-by-play broadcasters, or chasing down the etymology of “chin music,” the show delivers a witty, layered hour that balances seriousness with unrepentant silliness.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Commercial Announcer]

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[Dan Le Batard]

So the helpful researchers of this show have just gone deep into the data bank to find what some of the people were saying when it is that I lost my hall of Fame vote and Bruce Hooley of ESPN Cleveland wrote at the time, instead of Dan Lebatard is highly questionable. A more appropriate name would be Dan Lebatard is Petulantly Arrogant.

[Amin Elhassan]

PA would be the name of the show.

[Dan Le Batard]

The baseball writers got really mad at me, thus proving my point that they're a sensitive group of gas bags who didn't like very much the idea that their power would be questioned in a way that made them prickly. Let's get the sound, please, of a mean yodeling here so we can hear some poor yodeling. Let's get an example here of Damoshek yodeling so we can get an example of poorer yodeling. And now let's get Price is Right's cliffhanger.

[Amin Elhassan]

I feel like Dave's been to many a Oktoberfest festival in Pittsburgh where they were playing this kind of music and they were dressed in lederhosen and shit like that.

[Jeremy Schaap]

So in other words, you apologize for attacking me, because I was pretty close. Pretty close.

[Amin Elhassan]

I didn't attack you.

[Tony Reali]

Dan did. Play his again. I want to hear it. Dave's.

[Dave Damashek]

It's pretty close.

[Jeremy Schaap]

You want a Jerry Orback it here. Dan, say when you're wrong. Remember talking to Swayze at the end?

[Dan Le Batard]

You think that I'm wrong after listening to what it is that you did against what it is that cliffhanger does.

[Jeremy Schaap]

I don't know what language they're speaking when they're yodeling, but I think. I think my impression was pretty spot on.

[Amin Elhassan]

Is that the kind of yodeling that you guys think of when you hear yodeling?

[Dave Damashek]

Not.

[Amin Elhassan]

Not Dave's, but, like, the Price is Right yodeling? Because I always think of the yodel that's like the generic yodel. Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

You just brought up a great question, though. When he. Is it Swedish? Like, what is Swiss? What is the language? That is the language?

[Amin Elhassan]

Swiss Alps.

[Jeremy Schaap]

I like that Amin has cast himself as the expert on this. Well, no, that's a more generic form of yodeling.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you.

[Jeremy Schaap]

What do you know? You don't know what.

[Dan Le Batard]

You are giving off real expertise here

[Amin Elhassan]

because I know about yodeling.

[Jeremy Schaap]

You don't know about it. That's the point.

[Amin Elhassan]

Let's have a yodel off. We did.

[Dan Le Batard]

We just did. And I was. He did. He did. In retrospect, he did. It seemed like he won.

[Amin Elhassan]

Why did he win?

[Dan Le Batard]

Just. It was closer to what the Price Is Rights version is than you were.

[Amin Elhassan]

I never said I would. I never said I was doing the prices right.

[Dan Le Batard]

But that's the only modern version of yodeling that we have anywhere in pop culture.

[Amin Elhassan]

Put on the. Put on the poll. Juju. It's is yodel.

[Jeremy Schaap]

No, that's not yodeling. I mean, ironic or otherwise. Yodel a ho is not yodeling.

[Tony Reali]

Two not ho who see at the end. Not ho.

[Jeremy Schaap]

That's what a movie character does in the 40s. Yodel. That's not what yodeling is.

[Dave Damashek]

The English word yodel is derived from the German word jodelin. But you probably don't want me to say that, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

What I don't want you to say is that the root beer is the greatest of the jelly beans.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's just.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's just no. There's just no one who agrees with that.

[Dave Damashek]

That's not true. That. That's just. Look, you can. You can threaten ice on me. You can't lie right to my face.

[Dan Le Batard]

No one thinks that, Jeremy. No one thinks the root beer.

[Dave Damashek]

There are dozens of us, Dan.

[Commercial Announcer]

Jeremy's had a thing about root beer for a while. He, like, drinks diet root beer all the time.

[Dave Damashek]

He's got zero. I love root beer.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Zero.

[Dave Damashek]

Yeah. Zero sugar root beer. The root beer dum dum is the best of the dum dums. The root beer jelly bean is the best anything root beer. It's a great flavor.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, we all know that the best flavor of jelly bean is the butter popcorn.

[Guest Announcer]

What?

[Commercial Announcer]

That's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Buttered popcorn.

[Dave Damashek]

You gonna call ice on him or

[Dan Le Batard]

it's not as bad as yours. It's offensive, but it's not popcorn. It's still offensive. If I wanted buttered popcorn flavor, you know what I'd have? Buttered popcorn.

[Tony Reali]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't. I don't need it with candy. I don't. It's not. It's not. I'm not searching for it. And I also want. If I want the buttered popcorn flavor, I want it with salt. I don't want it with jelly bean. That does not give me salt, but gives me sugar. Imagine going to the movie theater having buttered popcorn and pouring sugar all over your buttered popcorn. That's why. That's also offensive. Can you get for me the sound, though, from our friend Jason Benetti? Because I want to. I want to put in front of people a couple of examples of play by play. Well done. Baseball allows you more room, certainly more room than hockey. Hockey has no room to do this. Basketball has very little room to do this. Football is too sacred to do much of this. But baseball gives you the Room where Jason Benetti can do play by play. That is silly. But also I want to play for you some play by play in color that I think somehow is better than Benetti's. And I rarely think that any play by play or color than Benetti's. But let's just start the bidding with Detroit Tigers announcer and friend of the show, Jason Benetti. I will just use shampoo for the shower. The whole just use shampoo only, but no soap on your body.

[Guest Announcer]

Sometimes, you know.

[Tony Reali]

No way.

[Guest Announcer]

Shampoo.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can't believe you're serious right now. Yeah, it's just a lot easier to just have one product. You don't need like 10 bottles of different stuff and ointments and potions. Nobody's asked you to use ointments or I didn't know they were different. Where are you on this Danishek? We've talked about this before. Greg Cody has no problem using shampoo in the pool as his means of bathing. And Damoshek has made the argument before that all soaps of all kind are the same.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Yeah. Make some room in the garage. We're overflowing with all purpose. Soap or shampoo. And do I need to say or no? Because they're the exact same thing. Shampoo and soap equal each other. You're a dupe if you don't understand that.

[Dave Damashek]

You're an insult.

[Jeremy Schaap]

You're the Lord 2026. Come on. And don't get me started on conditioner.

[Dave Damashek]

Your quality of life is worse by choice.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Conditioner is the real ruse. That's the real. And how you know it is because about like 10, 20 years or so ago, they used to have conditioner in all the hotel rooms. And then they realized, wait, we tried to pull this bit on society and they're buying the shampoo. And this is going. We had soap, but then we had shampoo. It's so for your hair. And society bought it. Wow. Let's see how far we can push this thing. Conditioner now. Now this further helps your hair part of your body. And then people tried it for probably a generation. And then they're like, what are we doing? Why am I putting conditioner in my hair on top of the shampoo?

[Commercial Announcer]

And.

[Jeremy Schaap]

And then they said, boy, we got a warehouse full. All this conditioner. Nobody's buying it. They're on to us. Well, we better figure out a use for it. Then they started putting the conditioner in with the shampoo damage check. Doesn't use it at all. No soap.

[Guest Announcer]

Soaps the way to go.

[Dave Damashek]

You only use Soap?

[Jeremy Schaap]

No, I mean, listen, I'll dance. I'll dance for everybody. I'll use a little shampoo here and there, but I have no problem using the body wash in my hair. That's fine. There's no reason you'd need to shampoo. What are you, a prince?

[Amin Elhassan]

What's worse, shampoo as a body wash or body wash as a shampoo?

[Dan Le Batard]

I have a number of different questions before I get to this play by play that I believe to be better than Jason Benetti's. And I do not give that compliment very often. But I don't think that the conditioner is a ruse, as Damoshek says. I believe that the conditioner, when I put it in my hair, feels different than anything else I put in my hair. Feels nice. And also, it does indeed seem to make my hair feel much softer than just shampoo does.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Whatever you're doing is working, Dan.

[Commercial Announcer]

Look at that.

[Jeremy Schaap]

So wait, you are conditioning on a daily basis.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not conditioning on a daily basis because I do not know. I do not condition on a daily basis, but I do shampoo on a daily basis.

[Tony Reali]

So I had this situation happen to me. We have two bathrooms at the house, and then we bathe the baby in one, and then my wife, who took a bath in the other, took the soap out of the bath. So I go in as normal as I usually do. Bear as Dave Damaschek walk in, start doing my thing. All of a sudden I look, there's no soap. I'm like, what do I do here? Shampoo only. So I had to use shampoo as my soap for one night, Dan. I was slick as a dolphin.

[Amin Elhassan]

You can't get it off.

[Tony Reali]

You can't get it off me.

[Amin Elhassan]

Like that's happened before. We're like, oh, ran out. Use what I got, and it's just

[Dan Le Batard]

like, it won't wash off. I've used shampoo as soap. If I don't have soap. But I would not use conditioner as

[Tony Reali]

it's like a killer whale, Dan, as

[Dan Le Batard]

soap because it would make me a porpoise. I feel, and I think Amin can agree with me here, the conditioner situation is two Americas.

[Amin Elhassan]

Two Americas.

[Dan Le Batard]

Two Americas. I don't use conditioner. I'm sure Amin doesn't use conditioner. It's not. I don't think it's a black thing.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Well, Dan only uses it, apparently, on special occasions. I don't know what requires. Oh, you know what? Tonight I'm feeling special conditioner.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not every place that I shower has conditioner. And so it's not on special occasions. But I would like to ask the question here, revealing my ignorance of two Americas. You and Amin women also don't have very poofy hair like me or Damoshek. So is that not one of the things involved? If you guys were to grow out Afros, would then conditioner be something that you would like a little bit better than in your present skull state?

[Amin Elhassan]

So I remember I had my hair grown out a couple of years ago, right around the pandemic. I don't use a conditioner in the shower, but there's a leave in condition. I'd like for the curls to pop and all that stuff. But I. That. That's not what I think we're talking about. Right in the shower. The thing that he's talking about that you pump in there and you're like,

[Dan Le Batard]

it's sort of the same thing, though. Whether it's leave in conditioner or conditioner from the shower, it's not a great deal different. Like, you can wash it out, but you don't seem to even know what I'm talking about with conditioner in the shower.

[Amin Elhassan]

Now that's what you're talking about.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, the hair. I think Danishek has this wrong, though. Shampoo does not leave your hair as soft as conditioner does. It simply does not. That's not. I'm not making that up. That's not illusion. That's not. Because big conditioner has me fooled with their warehouses full of what you're saying is unused conditioner that they've now had to throw into shampoo.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Now you sound like Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whoa, wait. Hey, whoa.

[Guest Announcer]

Tony, you know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything

[Dan Le Batard]

just sort of clicks?

[Tony Reali]

I know it. Well, it's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy.

[Guest Announcer]

Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Cuervo.

[Tony Reali]

I fucking like this.

[Guest Announcer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.

[Tony Reali]

It has that effect on people.

[Guest Announcer]

It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering, keep it Cuervo.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Keep it Cuervo, baby.

[Tony Reali]

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[Amin Elhassan]

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[Jeremy Schaap]

Dave Demek that's pretty good.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar Show. Thank you for leading me to the segue of Aaron Rogers because I did want to actually address something from that conversation that he threw out there because I have been informed that the criticism of me was louder than I experienced it at the beginning. Wherever it is. Both our audience and others are mad at me for not talking more about the Diana Rossini situation and I saw that among all of the things that Aaron Rodgers listed in his grievances, that got a great deal of applause from many people. I think the top of the list on getting applause was the idea that Aaron Rodgers was doing on ESPN's net network, criticism of ESPN. I think that's the greatest applause that he got from a certain segment of the population. Then second greatest was him just going after Fauci. But one of the other points that he made was that ESPN didn't cover at all Rossini and Mike Frabel. And one of the reasons that I was silent about it, or mostly silent about it, beyond just my friendship with Diana and beyond thinking it would be enough to reveal to you guys, hey, I've got this conflict here that I'm going to be biased. I'm going to be transparent about what my biases are and think that it bought me something. The chief reason that I did not talk about that at all is. You guys go ahead and give me all the examples. When the mainstream media is covering the infidelity of coaches throughout the history of time, like, I thought the rules changed right there. Everyone was okay. Where the Internet changed all of that. This happened to Tiger Woods. Like, Tiger woods was like, hey, I can behave like Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan in private, right? No, not anymore you can't. Not once your, your car gets hit with a golf club by your wife, all of a sudden you're going to get. You're going to get all of the coverage that comes with this happened in public. And therefore we are entitled to dissect your marriage in a way that we never would have before, because that's not how we covered athletes. Go ahead and give me all the examples you guys have of infidelities, of coaches being something that's covered in the mainstream media, which made it then something that you, you weren't it because it was Vel. You were covering it because it was Rossini. And the journalism is something that makes it different. The conflict and the journalism is something that makes it different. But the place where I recused myself was. I'm not going to be commenting on pictures taken by the New York Post when my friend is still denying that this is so. Not until I get more information. I have two examples. Pitino and Petrino. So both of them have public incidents beforehand. Petrino wrecked his motorcycle and had a fellow employee on it. So the police were involved, Patinos involved. Details that everyone enjoyed because they were sorted. And it was an action that happened in a restaurant and involved also a whole scandal involving abortion and a whole bunch of other things that people enjoyed eating up. But even as you have a couple of examples, they're still outliers. It's not Generally something that we've done as a standard on how we covered things. And I'm sitting out the idea of like, nah, man, you fine, have at it. The Internet has changed the rules and the Internet's gonna have fun with this. But I understood why ESPN sat that one out because it's not something they've ever covered before.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, it's sorted. This one's different, obviously because of Diana's presence in this. It's not just guy cheats on his wife, it's guy cheats on his wife with someone who is tasked with covering the sport. And the reality is when you think of the. This is a media story more than anything. Right. And I don't mean media story like a media makeup, but like a someone on the media beat would cover the story. Very. Yeah, like that would be the main coverage. So someone. Andrew Marchand, right, for the Athletic, or was it Ryan Glass Beagle. Right, like someone like that. Does ESPN even have someone on that beat? I don't believe they do.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've said since the beginning and I have been the arrogant, self appointed ombudsman for ESPN while at espn, espn. But one of the big arguments I was having there was we'd really buy ourselves something at ESPN if we covered ourselves the way that we covered others. Like if we kept covering ourselves the way that we covered others. I do believe there would be value in that. They never agreed with my assessment on that. But this isn't like we can frame it under that. It's convenient. I mean, like it is the umbrella under which we would hide. Hey, it's because of the journalism element. No, it's not. It's because the standard is different for women. Like it's not. The journalism element is a nice rationalization for covering it differently, but it allows us permission to go after Diana because the standard is different for women on this. Frable still hasn't gotten the same. Diana still hasn't talked. Like she still hasn't. I don't even know what's going to happen with what she's going to do with the next steps of her career. And I don't know what kind of advice she's getting on the next steps of her career on whether it is that she should lean into this or not. But let's have the original conversation that Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers got a great deal of applause because what he seemed to be presenting on ESPN that no one was presenting on ESPN is look at this hypocrisy that ESPN won't cover this story. It was Strange to hear him do it because a number of different reasons, but. Whoa. You did that to Vrabel, Really? Aaron Rodgers, you did that as a quarterback for an NFL team. You did that to an NFL coach. Haven't seen a whole lot of that in my lifetime on television or in football, where a quarterback invites, hey, cover Vrabel a little bit more on this opposing coach. But the idea, damage, that this is something that should be covered in the mainstream because the Internet has changed the rules as I sit here losing, losing the fight, by the way, but continuing to say, hey, are we gonna keep the standard we've had around here or not? Are we gonna. Oh, we're gonna lower it. Okay. Cause the people want it. Okay, we're gonna keep. Okay, we're gonna keep lowering it. Can I keep fighting the standard? No, you're. No, you're petulantly arrogant, LeBatard.

[Jeremy Schaap]

All right, I hate to start talking because I may not stop for another 97 minutes here, but I will jump in. First of all, the irony of a quarterback, as you say, in an age when we know everybody's significant other, we know everything that happens. Aaron Rodgers has been married for more than a year now. Right? We're not. We. No one has met his wife. Are we supposed to dig in on that as well? How deep are we going to go into Mike Vrabel? How his marriage is impacting his coaching with the New England Patriots is kind of the question. And that is the sort of rational response ESPN could have, right? They could say what? We're going to cover somebody who doesn't work, a journalist who doesn't work at espn.

[Dan Le Batard]

Infidelity is the first stop on. I didn't think this was something that we covered. Like, I just didn't. I did not believe that the mainstream media treated as a conversation topic on any of the debate shows, on any of the news outlets. Infidelity is fair play.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Well, the other thing is, too, I have to say, Dan, I'm sorry, I mean, to get in the way, because you were talking about it last week, Dan, and I wanted to jump in on the idea of how far can Kyle Shanahan kick this thing down the road? And does he owe it to anybody? Is he required to be more forthright, forget about the local police and otherwise do the Niners. And does Kyle Shanahan owe it to anybody? And I really do think the force of what Pat McAfee is doing at ESPN has basically taken us back about 60 years. It all starts with Muhammad Ali and Howard Cosell being Willing to go there with the most famous person on the planet about his religious conversion and him being anti war and all of that. That gets the ball rolling. Pat McAfee has instituted successfully. Listen, sports are supposed to be fun. Let's not talk. We don't need to talk about anything else. So then that makes it awfully ironic that Aaron Rodgers uses that platform with Pat McAfee to then go at everybody. Where's the journalism? It went out the door with this new version of espn. That's where it went, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

One of the things that always happens in our conversations around ESPN is people hear whatever it is that I'm saying critically. And it's simply the idea of they are the standard setters and I'm hoping to protect the standard. They set it and I like where it is and how it is. They said it and I like it selfishly because it benefited me a great deal. But that's where the standard was. And I don't think it's wrong as a business to choose in the modern age to actually put down your sword on, hey, we're gonna be about social issues and just say, let's make sports fun and a little dangerous, but not in the dangerous places that you want it. I don't actually object to that in any other way than to point out, hey, you realize we're lowering the standard here. We set the standard one place and we're changing it. If you're good with that, you're good with that. But I'm less good with that than you are. And I'm going to keep repeating to you guys know that you're changing the standard.

[Dave Damashek]

Speaking of changing the standard and lowering the standard, the show may contain errors and we have a giant oversight from the first hour, which is that we forgot about the yodel kid from Walmart, Mason Ramsey.

[Jeremy Schaap]

No, I don't know what I do.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's the modern yoga.

[Dave Damashek]

You don't remember that kid? Oh, my God. Mason Rand.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't remember?

[Dave Damashek]

This is. This is showing your age, Damoshek.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Showing my age. It did. It happened.

[Dan Le Batard]

The yodel kid.

[Dave Damashek]

He was the most famous kid in America for a good week and a half.

[Jeremy Schaap]

So how does that show my age? If I was around?

[Dave Damashek]

You're not paying attention. You're clearly not paying attention to what's going on in the streets.

[Dan Le Batard]

In the street.

[Jeremy Schaap]

I don't know what you're talking about, Dan.

[Dave Damashek]

You know about the yodeling street.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Why are you giving me the stink eye, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not giving you the stink eye. I don't want to look at Jeremy.

[Jeremy Schaap]

You're side eyeing me. Oh, okay, okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, you're misreading. You're new here and you're not around here as much as you get. Anytime we lapse into Jeremy doing that, I can't look at it.

[Tony Reali]

Dan, I'm going to help you here. I'm going to rescue you. There was another incredible play by play call. This time from a Phillies auction winners. He paid to get onto the broadcast, Dan. He was incredible.

[Guest Announcer]

We are headed to the third inning, Phillies on top two to one. And we're pleased to welcome Lewis Cobb from Medford Lakes, New Jersey. He is our Phillies fantastic auction winner. He outbid the competition to spend an inning and do some play by play in the booth. And Louis, welcome. Glad to have you here. Thank you, Scott. It's a thrill to be here. It's a lifelong dream to be in the Phillies broadcast booth. So here we go. Painter with the first page to Ortiz. It's in there for strike one call. Phil's with two at the bottom of the second to take the lead as we start the top of the third. Now Pater delivers. It's bounced foul towards the Phillies dugout. And they count one and one Phillies in the first two games of this series. One more to go tomorrow night. And then a three game set with the blue jacket over the weekend. Now Painter delivers. It's a check swing. It's a called strike three. He got him. So Arte's down. And Lewis, you spent your life as a what? Firefighter? Police officer? Neither of those things. Just guessing I bet. A substitute teacher in recent years for NIDA School in Laker land. There's a pitch that's lined over shortstop. A base hit for Dylan Cruz. And he reaches first base safely with the one out single.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's got to be a ringer that there's no way this guy walked off the street. First of all, his voice is exactly the kind for radio baseball.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's perfect. And it, you know, I think that Hank Azaria has been around a great many hugely talented hockey Hollywood people. And the entire character of Brockmire that he created, that is his favorite of all the characters is because the baseball affect is so ridiculous that you can say anything like a baseball broadcaster and be talking differently than any other human being has ever talked. Folks, listen up.

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[Tony Reali]

down Levitar DJ Laz is playing Gulo in the background by Pitbull.

[Commercial Announcer]

Here's Dave Demi and he's like hey guys, Pittsburgh.

[Guest Announcer]

All right.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Everybody's like who the is this guy?

[Dan Le Batard]

Dave Dimashik.

[Jeremy Schaap]

He goes what TVs the Penguins game on. Who the hell is this guy?

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatare Show. One of the the funny things, I don't know if you guys now I'm in too deep. Hank Azaria, because he came on our show and very innocently said it was hard to get Nick's tickets and that he was in a booth that was scraping the roof of Madison Square Garden with Aaron Judge and Jeremy Strong, an assortment of legitimate celebrities. MSG got mad about that and punished Hank for getting in the headlines. Cuz the New York Post immediately took that. He said something about Taylor Swift being in the front row and turned it into something that was a controversy that caused Hank real problems and he blames me and I'm like Hank, you've been an adult and a celebrity for 40 years. Okay? You've got to know that in the modern age some of the things that you say are gonna get aggregated just cause you're a famous person. And his response, and he was right about this, he's like I should have said it as Brockmire. If I just talked to you as Brockmire in that ridiculous baseball voice, no one could have aggregated it cause it just would have been obviously cartoonish. That was exceptional. Obviously somebody should hire that person for real.

[Amin Elhassan]

And the idea like I thought it was gonna be like well maybe he's substitute teacher, maybe he does some of the linker lane.

[Commercial Announcer]

But it's like neither of those things.

[Tony Reali]

Dela Cruz, back to the.

[Dan Le Batard]

No one talks like that. That there's no one.

[Amin Elhassan]

Amazing.

[Dan Le Batard]

So this is a WIP just auction winner. Somebody got the chance, somebody paid to

[Tony Reali]

be on the broadcast. And this guy was like, all right, this is my one shot. I gotta pay. Whatever it's gonna take for me to get on this broadcast, I know I'm gonna kill it. And then he did exactly that.

[Dave Damashek]

And if I'm like the play by play guy for Phillies radio, I'm pulling that plug immediately. Like as soon as he sounds like this, this, and is actually describing the action that way, I'm going like, no, absolutely not. We need. Who do I need to talk to to get this guy out of here because I'm going to lose my job.

[Guest Announcer]

Neither of those things.

[Dan Le Batard]

Get the guest bookers on it to see if they can find this person so that we can talk to this person. But what I'm expecting, generally when we get auction winners, or for example in this Pistons tryout camp, when you pay $250 for the ability to just try out with an NBA team, I mean, what are you shaking your head about? Before I've even delivered to the.

[Amin Elhassan]

What this is delivered to the audience. But just know the audience now knows, I mean, has an objection to how we're setting this all up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, well, no, you set it up. You're already objecting. So you just, you set up the idea that there are people who can pay $250. If Tony had known about this, he would have been flying to Detroit to try out for the Pistons. But when people do stuff like this, I don't expect them to be exceptional like the WIP auction winner. I expect them to look more like the fat guy who rolls in is like, yeah, I want to be a Piston for a day. Watch my crossover here. I'm just going to foul people and I'm going to run out here with my shorts. A real NBA tryout. Well, no, it's. It's people who paid $250 easy money for NBA court.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay? So first and foremost, this is not for the Pistons. It's for the Pistons G League affiliate. This guy, this guy looks ridiculous.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's fat and his number is 182.

[Tony Reali]

Big shorts on too.

[Guest Announcer]

Huge shorts.

[Commercial Announcer]

Nice steal there.

[Amin Elhassan]

So. So this is for the Pistons G League affiliate which is a small operation and one of their big revenue generating things. That's not just them, it's every G League franchise. This has happened for over a decade, maybe even 20 years. They do this thing where you can pay money and you show up and you go to a tryout. And in the history of this program, like I said, every G League team does this. There's been one player who actually made it from paying $150 to being an NBA player and actually signing not just a minimum contract, but then going on to sign another deal. Remember, Jonathan Simmons played for the spurs and then the Orlando Magic. That guy paid 150 bucks to try out for the Austin Spurs. Yeah. So while you guys laugh and giggle, this is a real thing. This is a real thing. Having said that, I really like the vision of him trying to hit it ahead. It's just like the pass is a little lazy. But like, I saw what he's trying to do there.

[Dan Le Batard]

You saw the vision.

[Tony Reali]

It's an easy way for teams to steal money from hardworking folks is what they're doing. You got to give me at least a chance. Hey, we're going to take one guy out of here.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Make sure I go the other way. You know it. Akron now is letting people design plays or full football drives and all of this. I like the spirit of this, but we're not going far enough. Teams that are out of it in Major League Baseball should allow someone in the stands to play right field for a half inning.

[Guest Announcer]

How.

[Jeremy Schaap]

But why wouldn't that be great? Dan, I know that then renders the. The sport a little unserious, but that would be. That the. The stands would be full. If you promoted that, you might get the play. One half inning.

[Tony Reali]

The ultimate combo. I'm going to turn this 250 bucks into 20 million.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's what Jonathan Simmons did.

[Dave Damashek]

I just remembered that the reason he, like, came up was because Kawhi got hurt and he played in place of Kawhi for the Spurs. And everyone was like, they don't need Kawhi.

[Amin Elhassan]

They got Jonathan Simmons.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan Shek has a good idea here. You guys were obsessed with the Jonathan Simmons story and weren't actually entertaining the idea. Teams that are out of it. And he did answer his own question when he said, well, it would render the sport unserious. Like, that was the answer to the question. But if you're. If you are the Kansas City Royals and you're just running around out there in a uniform because the other major league teams have to play against somebody. If we made the right fielder, just a fan who won an auction, that would. The stands wouldn't be full, but it would make baseball more fun than it presently is. If you just had a Random fan in the outfield and they look like number 182 out there with his shorts down around his knees and his underwear hanging out and flab in all the wrong places.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Places disagree that the stands wouldn't be full. Eddie Goodell, you know, Bill Veeck, the owner who was a wild card, he put Bill. He put a little guy in the batter's box and he walked on four pitch balls. Eddie Goodell.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guys, go ahead and get me please, some black and white footage here of Eddie Goodell. Because I saw that Tony didn't have any idea who it is that Dameshek was talking about.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's not Roger's brother, but for those

[Dan Le Batard]

of you who do not know, he works hard. Bill Veeck was a cartoonishly carnival type of owner who did all sorts of strange things. And then his son Mike Veeck ended up popularizing minor league baseball before the Savannah Bananas or anything else with all sorts of weird promotions like this one. But it is true that what Damascek is saying actually happened in a major league game, which is the Oakland A's were unserious as an organization and they decided to put a little person in the batter's box and see if you can throw a pitch in his strike zone. And he was indeed walk. Now you've got a baserunning issue. A lot many more steps have to be taken together around the bases. But he can get to first base and then you can take him out with a pinch runner if the pitcher simply can't throw it within the strike zone. It seemed like a good idea to me. It worked. Worked. Can you look up for me whether Eddie Goodell had a lifetime on base percentage of a thousand because did he just walk the one time? It was his one place appearance.

[Jeremy Schaap]

I think it was. I think it was a one off and I think it was a wiffle ball bat. It literally was not a wooden bat he went to the play with.

[Amin Elhassan]

Pulled that up again. Put that picture up again, please. Oh, I can't see the bat in this angle.

[Dan Le Batard]

He didn't even need one. Honestly. He could have gone up there without one. That is a perfect sports photograph, incidentally. Like there, you cannot do better than that. Sports photograph in black and white where Eddie Goodell looks like a child. He does not look like a. An adult human being. And the pitch is clearly high. That is a pitch that's over his head either, even though it's a strike to a normal human being.

[Amin Elhassan]

Chin music.

[Dave Damashek]

One plate appearance, one walk. 1951, 26 years old.

[Dan Le Batard]

When it is that Amin says chin music. It allows us to play the play by play of Stugatz. I want to give the audience a little bit of context here. Stu Gotts went into a Marlins booth during an actual game with supreme swagger and confidence, thinking that he would sound like the WIP auction person and be great at play by play. David Sampson didn't trust him. Didn't trust the bravado. Went running down to the booth to do it with him because we couldn't desecrate a major league park with this play by play. This played in the Cardinals clubhouse. Tony La Russa got pissed off because it sounded ridiculous. Here's Stugatz doing play by play in color. Carpenter deals some chin music to Gabby Sanchez. Chin music normally isn't swung at. Swung at that stage. I got news for you. I was getting chin music in no matter what today. This is Radio Stu. I was getting much attention. So just for the record, chin music is under your chin. That was clearly a foul ball. Like you heard the bat, you hear. It's not. I don't think it's possible to even foul off chin music. Like how. Why is it called chin music, incidentally? I know it's under your chin, but why is it music? What sense does that make?

[Amin Elhassan]

I think Jay Leno could probably hit chin music.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, see, now that's not fair, man. Why would you do that?

[Amin Elhassan]

Did we ever get to the bottom of what happened to him?

[Tony Reali]

They beat the shit out of him, didn't they?

[Amin Elhassan]

That was the theory, but we didn't ever know. You remember the story. It was in his neck of the woods.

[Dan Le Batard]

He said he fell down a hill in Pittsburgh and Jay Leno looked like he just. He looked like he'd been mugged. He was wearing. Was in a sling and he was purple. His face was even bigger than it normally is, which is seems like by surface area almost impossible. But I don't think we got. I mean, I think he got away. If it was indeed a lie, he got away with it. People wandered off and did not think that Jay Leno had done anything nefarious there. He simply was walking to a standup routine that he was doing and fell down a hill.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Intimidating baseball manager combined with got knocked out. Combines for me with my interview with Joe Tourre that I once had. I knock myself out cold in the Dodgers dugout. He was in his first season, about to begin it and I had a sit down with him. And he wasn't seated on the bench. He was seated on the back of the bench, up high. On the dugout. So in my attempt to join him, I went in there and I jumped up onto the bench with my foot and I bonked my head real hard on the cement roof and I almost knocked myself out. And I thought, wouldn't that be funny if I woke up in Joe Tory's lap and him trying to revive me? But then I said, hey Joe, of all of Hollywood, when they made your biopic, they went with Paul Sorvino slap in the face. And he said, Paul's a dear friend. And the interview went down from there.

[Dave Damashek]

Chin music originally was describing razzing or heckling from the fans. It shifted right around World War II, and it was because of the way that batters described the sound of the buzzing going by their ears. And in turn it was, you know, musical in that respect.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, I'd go chin whistle, but I guess it's semantics because the ball chin

[Tony Reali]

whist different thing is it sounds like a different thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chin whistling. Put it on the poll at Lebitard show. Is chin whistling more accurate than chin music? Also play stugats and some more play by play.

[Jeremy Schaap]

So this is a pretty big at bats.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do that include the shot he took in the face when he was standing

[Jeremy Schaap]

in the on base?

[Commercial Announcer]

Stu, you got to stop talking when there's a hit.

[Dan Le Batard]

Logan Morrison with a big base hit up the right side and Martinez slides into first, first and third. No out here in the bottom of the third inning.

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