Robert Pattinson: Greatest Actor Going? | Hour 2

Summary

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Podcast Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show – Hour 2: “Robert Pattinson: Greatest Actor Going?”
Date: August 7, 2026
Live from the Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This lively episode sees Dan Le Batard and crew (Mike Ryan, Chris Cody, Dave Damashek, Jonathan Sasso, and Tony) veer from their signature blend of sports talk and pop culture into an animated discussion of acting greatness, unconventional celebrity, fame, and a wide-ranging sports trivia contest. The main thematic thread is whether Robert Pattinson deserves the title of the greatest actor under 50 and how celebrity and talent intersect in sports and entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Robert Pattinson: Weirdo Greatness (02:13–05:40)

• Chris Cody starts by lauding Robert Pattinson (and Daniel Radcliffe) for embracing odd and daring roles after blockbuster franchise beginnings.
• Mike Ryan and Dan Le Batard riff on what makes Pattinson special, highlighting both his acting range and off-kilter career choices.
• The conversation morphs into a spirited defense of “little freaks,” with a toast to actors like Pattinson and Radcliffe who take risks rather than sticking to mainstream projects.

Notable Quotes:

• “A toast to the little freaks of actors Robert Pattinson and Daniel Radcliffe. A toast to you.” — Chris Cody (03:26)
• “It’s a good strategy. Get rich early in your career and then be able to make whatever choice you want.” — Dan Le Batard (03:39)

2. Debating Acting Greatness: Is Pattinson the Best? (04:06–05:40)

• Chris Cody calls Pattinson the “best actor under 50”, citing his performances and versatility in movies like Good Time, The Lighthouse, and Batman.
• Mike Ryan mentions “Mickey 17” as a rare miss—for the movie, not for Pattinson’s performance.
• Dave Damashek boldly predicts Pattinson could be nominated for both Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor in the same year, paralleling other ‘big actor years’ in cinema.

Notable Quotes:

• “To me, like, Robert Pattinson is the best actor we have under the age of 50.” — Chris Cody (04:06)
• “I maintain my prediction that Robert Pattinson will be nominated for both Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor this year.” — Dave Damashek (05:06)

3. Is Pattinson Actually Handsome? Celebrity & Intrigue (05:33–07:19)

• Extended joking about whether Pattinson is conventionally handsome, or if he’s “intriguing” or straddling that “handsome/ugly” line.
• Comparison to other ‘dreamboat’ celebrities—Brad Pitt, Dave Canales.
• The group concludes that unique looks can actually help make someone a better actor or more interesting celebrity.

Notable Quotes:

• “Would you know that he’s a handsome guy if you weren’t told he was?” — Mike Ryan (05:59)
• “He’s got the bone structure that goes with someone that is classically handsome. But he can get ugly… It helps him be one of the best actors under 50.” — Dave Damashek (07:13)

4. Greatest Celebrity of the Last 50 Years (08:30–15:03)

• The team debates “greatest celebrity,” considering Tom Cruise, Michael Jackson, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Madonna, Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, and Kim Kardashian.
• Discussion over the nature of fame versus impact, global reach, and “bankability.”
• The oddity that pro football is America’s most popular sport, yet few football players (except Tom Brady) reach worldwide recognition.

Notable Quotes:

• “Tom Cruise is the biggest celebrity of the last half century.” — Dave Damashek (09:20)
• “Michael Jackson, Donald Trump, and Tom Cruise. All notably good guys.” — Chris Cody (sarcastically, (09:54))

5. Who Should Be Famous (But Isn’t)? (18:46–20:13)

• Mike Ryan pivots to least-famous, most-talented people: Mike Trout (baseball) is held up as the prime example.
• Conversation on athletes and actors who are exceptional but don’t get mainstream fame. This includes character actors and overlooked sports stars.

Notable Quotes:

• “Kim Kardashian does nothing and is a huge celebrity. Mike Trout probably is now not going to be remembered as a top 10 baseball player, but he still is one of the top 20 to ever do it.” — Mike Ryan (18:54)

6. Celebrity and Anonymity: Messi in Miami (20:13–21:40)

• Viral internet video of Lionel Messi leaving Dick’s Sporting Goods unrecognized in Florida—team argues whether this is authentic or a manufactured viral moment.
• Digression on how even the most famous sports stars have wildly different public experiences depending on context and geography.

Notable Quotes:

• “Michael Jackson was not going to a grocery store by himself... You don’t have security with him.” — Dan Le Batard (20:49)

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Game Segment: Mr. Lister (28:00–38:15)

Competitive sports trivia game among the hosts, focusing on NFL history.

• Categories include:
  • 2000-yard rushers in NFL history (Chris Cody, Dave Damashek, Mike Ryan)
  • Career sack leaders (including detailed breakdown and surprise at John Abraham’s rank)

Key tone: Humorous, banter-heavy, and self-deprecating as knowledge gaps are revealed.

Memorable Moments:

• Cody’s failed guess that “Sean Alexander” was a 2000-yard rusher.
• Damashek and Ryan riffing on the lack of “celebrity” attached to some of the greatest talents.
• The whole group spiraling into a running joke about a “Survivor Pool” involving injured NFL running backs, with an overly literal, dark twist.

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Commentary on Aaron Rodgers' Public Persona (38:34–40:55)

Dave Damashek provides pointed analysis on Aaron Rodgers’ hypocrisy about privacy and criticism, connecting it to why Rodgers deals poorly with media scrutiny and possibly falls short in “big spots” in his career.

Memorable Quotes:

• “You struggle to understand what makes you different. It’s the lie, pal. For the life of me, why can’t he understand that?” — Dave Damashek (39:10)
• “He wants to pretend it’s about free speech... What it also suggests to me is that he’s emotionally brittle.” — Mike Ryan (40:12)

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Humorous Highlights & Memes

• A new Pattinson meme: “You see how this looks, right?” — Chris Cody (07:50)
• Extended laughter about Bruce Smith’s viral video falling backwards with hands in pockets—group agrees it should be in everyone’s “top clips to show people.”
  (41:10)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “A toast to the little freaks of actors Robert Pattinson and Daniel Radcliffe.” — Chris Cody (03:26)
• “To me, like, Robert Pattinson is the best actor we have under the age of 50.” — Chris Cody (04:06)
• “Tom Cruise is the biggest celebrity of the last half century.” — Dave Damashek (09:20)
• “Kim Kardashian does nothing and is a huge celebrity. Mike Trout probably is now not going to be remembered as a top 10 baseball player...” — Mike Ryan (18:54)
• “He wants to pretend it’s about free speech... What it also suggests to me is that he’s emotionally brittle.” — Mike Ryan (40:12)

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Segment Timestamps Map

• 02:13–05:40 – Robert Pattinson & Daniel Radcliffe: acclaims, weirdness, and career choices.
• 05:40–08:19 – Handsomeness, “handsome/ugly” debate, what makes an actor unique.
• 09:20–15:45 – The “greatest celebrity” debate: Cruise, Jackson, Trump, Madonna, Swift, Kardashian.
• 16:02–21:40 – Talent vs. fame; athletes and actors who are overlooked.
• 28:00–38:15 – Mr. Lister trivia: NFL 2,000-yard rushers and all-time sack leaders.
• 38:34–40:55 – Aaron Rodgers’ image and media issues.
• 41:10–41:35 – Bruce Smith viral video and sign-off banter.

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Conclusion

This episode exemplifies the show’s playful approach to “serious” debate, mixing pop culture reverence with tongue-in-cheek irreverence. “Is Robert Pattinson the greatest actor going?” is the episode’s titular question, but the conversation’s bigger scope is about the strange, often arbitrary nature of celebrity and acclaim in both sports and entertainment.

Listeners come away entertained, educated, and reminded that often, the most interesting—and perhaps most gifted—people aren’t always those at the center of the spotlight.

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Transcript

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[Chris Cody]

I saw the primetime trailer yesterday where Pattinson's gonna be playing Chris Hansen and it made me feel grateful for little freaks like Robert Pattinson and Daniel Radcliffe.

[Dave Damashek]

Thank God being. Yeah, yeah, they're, they're, they're a little freak time.

[Mike Ryan]

You gotta be careful.

[Chris Cody]

Well, yeah, no, that's fair, but it made me feel grateful because Robert Pattinson is a weirdo and Daniel Radcliffe also kind of a weirdo. And both of those guys started their careers with massive franchises. Like Pattinson was actually in one of the Harry Potters, and then he gets Twilight and he makes a ton of money. And Daniel Radcliffe, obviously, from the time he's a kid, he's Harry Potter. He makes a ton of money. And it gave them both the opportunity to wear their freak flag proud and do strange movies the moment they were done. They can make the weirdest choices, whether that was Pattinson with With Good Time or with the Lighthouse or whether it was Daniel Radcliffe doing Swiss army man or doing the Weird Al movie. And I just think it's really awesome. Good on when you have, like, really, really talented actors that get a chance to do something strange and just make the choice that makes them happy. And, Chris, you know what?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm feeling what you're giving off here.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I think that's worth a toast. A toast to the little freaks of actors Robert Pattinson and Daniel Radcliffe. A toast to you. And worth a toast is presented by Cuervo. Keep it fun. Keep it Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a good strategy. Get rich early in your career and then be able to make whatever choice you want.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I'd like to do that. I wouldn't say a little late for me.

[Mike Ryan]

I wouldn't say Radcliffe's really kept the ball in the air. He wanted Tony Pattinson, all right.

[Chris Cody]

That's a difference, is he's done some weird stuff and truly weird in that weird, Weird Al movie.

[Dave Damashek]

But he's Dave.

[Chris Cody]

He's not Pattinson. Patent to me.

[Dave Damashek]

Cliffs grateful he got shoehorned in this toast.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, sure.

[Chris Cody]

But to me, well, and I don't disagree because to me, like, Robert Pattinson is the best actor we have under the age of 50.

[Mike Ryan]

You've made that clear.

[Chris Cody]

He's incredible.

[Mike Ryan]

We were talking after yesterday's show and you declared. Tashay, let me get this right. Our greatest star in cinema is Robert Pattinson.

[Chris Cody]

Not necessarily biggest star, best actor. He's the best actor. He consistently has unbelievable performances over and over and over again. He can be a leading man, which he's demonstrated in several different ways. Now recently with the Batman. But the drama is a situation where he is a leading man, even though it's a strange character. But he also plays super weird characters, Whether now it's Chris Hansen. If you've seen Devil all the time, the Lighthouse, like, he is Mickey 17. He's constantly making really strange choices, doing different voices. I think he's the most talented actor and the best actor that we have going right now.

[Dave Damashek]

Mickey 17 was a miss.

[Chris Cody]

It was a miss of a movie, but not a performance.

[Dave Damashek]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Not.

[Dave Damashek]

Not because of him. I maintain my prediction that Robert Pattinson will be nominated for Bose Best actor and best supporting Actor this year. And Dave, I know you're a fan of these big actor years. Jim Carrey 94 and whatnot. Zendaya and Robert Pattinson both in 2026 are in that Jim Carrey 94 territory. Especially if Bobby P ends up securing the double.

[Mike Ryan]

Bold statement there. A big year for Pattinson. Inarguable, I suppose. You know, by the way, you know what? That's a bold statement that requires that we break out not figurative 10 foot pole, but a literal 10 foot pole to put it to the test. While you break that out. Pattinson's one of these cats. Like I've said before, I know certain guys are handsome. I can tell. I'm secure in my masculinity. I can tell Brad Pitt when he takes that hat off in Legends of the Fall. Oh, he's a. He's a dreamboat. Dave Canale is standing on those sidelines for the Carolina Panthers. He's a. He's a handsome devil. But Robert Pattinson is one of these guys. I'm surprised when women go wild for him. Would you know that he's a handsome guy if you weren't told he was?

[Dave Damashek]

Roy got a good point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Dave Damashek]

Roy got a good point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Sasso]

I wouldn't know.

[Mike Ryan]

You see him as handsome?

[Chris Cody]

Not yet. Obviously. Handsome guy.

[Mike Ryan]

Who, Robert Pattinson? Very obviously, yes. Well, Roy and I disagree.

[Chris Cody]

We have different tastes in men then I guess.

[Dave Damashek]

You know what I'm touching with two Americas football. Zendaya having the biggest year in box office history.

[Chris Cody]

You're gonna.

[Mike Ryan]

Zendaya biggest. And you are going to touch it with the lit. You see, people are so cowardly, they won't even touch something with a figurative. We have a literal 10 foot pole and Mike is sticking his neck and that 10 foot pole out to touch that. Why are you so convinced Pattinson's a dreamboat? Well, I know he is because people tell me, but I would just. I would never know that. But your eyes tell you that I.

[Dave Damashek]

Handsome and ugly though.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, no, that's like.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's the perfect Holland thing going on here with him.

[Dave Damashek]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Intriguing.

[Dave Damashek]

Good shout.

[Chris Cody]

You got to be intriguing.

[Dave Damashek]

Got the, the bone structure that goes with someone that is classically handsome.

[Chris Cody]

This is Right.

[Dave Damashek]

But he can get ugly.

[Chris Cody]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Dave Damashek]

It helps him be one of the best actors under 50. Now, I don't know if I'll give him that, but let me, let me put a list together.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not exactly the best photo we've chosen for him. He looks like a young Brendan.

[Chris Cody]

Well, let's play this out because we've got a little bit of a. Of a line that's already becoming now another meme from Robert Pattinson here. We didn't have the sound. That's on me. Should have cued Roy.

[Dave Damashek]

It seems like it's still. That's on you.

[Chris Cody]

It was a video, but that's okay. You want to play it again, guys? Here, we can play it again. We have the volume up now.

[Mike Ryan]

You see how this looks, right?

[Jonathan Sasso]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

You see how this looks, right? That one is the. The best Pattinson meme since. Get these beggars out of here.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm with you on Lighthouse being a gem. I know Mike Ryan also thinks it's a delightful comedy. I do think we've gotten a nice. People like to talk about who would win a fight among NFL head coaches. And I've also dabbled in who's the most handsome. I think Dave Canales. Number one with a bullet.

[Dave Damashek]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

Bedazzled.

[Dave Damashek]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Nice looking fella.

[Dave Damashek]

I would also masturbate that much if I were Dave Canales. Is that too inside?

[Mike Ryan]

No, no. Keep the ten foot pole going.

[Dave Damashek]

Keep was in his book I'm about to bust.

[Mike Ryan]

He is a Pete Carroll disciple. So that tells you about what Pete Carroll's up to in his free time. All right, let's keep the 10 foot pole out here now. And here's something else I was talking with Mike Ryan about before we got going here. And I said, who is not the most famous person? Because fame is, you know, who's the president. You know, Barack Obama is probably the most recognizable person, ergo the most famous person on the planet. But who is our greatest celebrity of the last 50 years? Mike Ryan. Tom Cruise. Will you touch this statement with a 10 foot pole? Tom Cruise is the biggest celebrity of the last half century.

[Dave Damashek]

I would touch that with a ten foot pole. I would now. I would bet my life on him being top three. Bet my life.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. That's your ten foot pole touch.

[Dave Damashek]

It has to be Cruise with Trump's gotta be up there.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow, I hadn't thought about that.

[Dave Damashek]

You opened the door to Obama. But Trump, even more so than Obama, came in with fame before office. He was very famous. Before he ran for political office. So I hate to give it to him, but he's probably surpassed Muhammad Ali. So this is my top three. Michael Jackson, Donald Trump and Tom Cruise.

[Chris Cody]

All notably good guys.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Tony]

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[Dave Damashek]

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[Tony]

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[Dave Damashek]

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[Dave Damashek]

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[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I guess it's murky. Donald Trump without the presidency isn't the biggest celebrity.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, no. But now.

[Dave Damashek]

But now.

[Mike Ryan]

But is that an element of celebrity being the president of the United States?

[Dave Damashek]

He got elected because I just.

[Dan Le Batard]

How do you have him ahead of Obama when, like we said he was famous before being a president?

[Mike Ryan]

You might be right. I hadn't really considered it. Yes, I would go. I would go. I think Ali, Ali was the most recognizable, most famous person on the planet earth when I was a little kid. Michael Jackson is number. Would be number one or number two.

[Dave Damashek]

And we're in the 20 twenties now. Dave Damaschek. We're in the mid twenties, 50 years.

[Mike Ryan]

I agree with you about Cruz as our greatest.

[Dave Damashek]

Muhammad Ali's like prime.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I'm not talking about 20, 21. I'm talking about in our lifetime, in the last 50 years.

[Dave Damashek]

Yeah, well, the last 50 years, that arrow in terms of fame started pointing down. Now, Muhammad Ali stayed famous throughout, but his heyday was before this 50 year span.

[Mike Ryan]

It's weird that our most popular sport of the last 50 years enduring is pro football. But no football player would make this list. Who would make the list though, is Michael Jordan. Right? He's top five, don't you think? Messi. Yeah.

[Dave Damashek]

Ronaldo's more famous. Jordan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who would be the football player? Brady.

[Dave Damashek]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it would have to be Tom Brady would. I guess I'm trying to think if there was a. No, I'm just running through my mind.

[Dave Damashek]

Don't give me the greatest winner of all time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Handsome, internationally Famous would get recognized anywhere in the world.

[Dave Damashek]

Tom Brady would get recognized pretty much anywhere.

[Mike Ryan]

Michael Jordan, I think Michael Jordan trumps.

[Dave Damashek]

Jordan's bigger than Trump.

[Mike Ryan]

And Tom Brady not bigger than Trump.

[Dave Damashek]

But Michael Jordan is more famous globally because basketball is bigger globally than American football.

[Mike Ryan]

You forget. I think people forget because now it's funny. It's a little bit like the Aaron Rodgers after Packers experience diminished a little bit by recent events. Madonna though, Madonna was for some of you younger people, I don't think you really were. She was so monstrously huge. She was up there with I think now probably transcended by Taylor Swift. Yeah.

[Dave Damashek]

And Beyonce levels for Madonna.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh no, no. Madonna at the heights was bigger than Beyonce.

[Dave Damashek]

I remember Madonna at the Heights. I'm a 40 year old man and I remember Beyonce at the height. Now similar.

[Mike Ryan]

Madonna was bigger than Beyonce.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was Will Smith ever in this conversation?

[Dave Damashek]

Will Smith was in this conversation.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not. Not now.

[Dave Damashek]

But no Will Smith. Bankable box office, global reach. Will Smith is a great one. Good for you, Chris Cody. I like talking very few positive contributions today, so I want to highlight it.

[Mike Ryan]

As I pointed out before, it's a weird irony that the greatest individual players to ever play our most beloved sports are all weird looking. Michael Jordan was balding when he was the greatest basketball player in the world. Before he shaved his head was in fact at a receding hairline. Wayne Gr. Gretzky looked like a preteen girl. Babe Ruth was a slob. Tom Brady in his underpants. Lionel Messi looks stumpy even by soccer player standards. Mike Ryan gets.

[Dave Damashek]

You keep making him stumpy. He's not stumpy, he's just little.

[Mike Ryan]

But also our greatest movie stars are oddballs. Arnold Schwarzenegger at the a guy with an accent all jacked up. Steroid guy was the biggest movie star on the planet Earth. And then as he get as he steps aside, Michael J. Fox was the biggest movie star in the world for. For a few years at least. And now I think Tom Cruise still stays number one.

[Dave Damashek]

You know, where's Mr. Beast?

[Chris Cody]

I show speed.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jake Paul.

[Chris Cody]

No, if we really are talking about just celebrity, is it Jake Paul though, for real? Well, no, we're just talking about.

[Dave Damashek]

Celebrity's got a good one.

[Chris Cody]

Kim Kardashian. She's as famous as. She's more famous than 90% of the athletes who've named.

[Mike Ryan]

Hmm.

[Chris Cody]

Maybe not Michael Jordan, but she's as famous as just about anybody. She's more famous than Tom Brady.

[Dave Damashek]

Show me Lewis Hamilton.

[Mike Ryan]

See this Now I get ugly American when You start doing this messy. You know, Michael Jordan was in every other commercial for about 10 years.

[Dave Damashek]

He's starting to be in a lot of stuff.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did see a video of Messi leaving a dick's in Fort Lauderdale where no one was recognizing.

[Dave Damashek]

I thought here was my take on that. I think it's an ad for dicks. That could be. Yeah. Also, one thing that I didn't like, and I don't look, you parent how you want to parent, but you don't get in the car before the kids and close the door.

[Dan Le Batard]

He did do that.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't like that, by the way. Is I always. It's an old conversation, but it is weird that Mike Trout is really going to finish his career. And it's funny, the turn in the way we sort of talk about these athletes. It used to be it was nice that a guy would play his whole career with one franchise. I've seen some people taking Mike Trout to task for not begging out of the angels so he could go and try to win a title. Tashay, how say you about this Mike Trout? Should he have been pressing in the twilight of his career to leave the halos who have no shot here?

[Chris Cody]

No, I think it's cool. It's a different. It's a different thing in baseball than a lot of other sports.

[Dave Damashek]

Is this literally from left field?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

No, he. It's a different thing in baseball because

[Mike Ryan]

I'm thinking, let me explain why that I jumped into Mike Trout.

[Chris Cody]

Because he's not famous.

[Mike Ryan]

Exactly. The least celebrity. Kim Kardashian does nothing and is a huge celebrity. Mike Trout probably is now not going to be remembered as a top 10 baseball player, but he still is one of the top 20 to ever do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like this. Least famous, most talent, like the most talented people who should be more famous.

[Mike Ryan]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think we can do better than Mike Trout. That's a great one.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's see if we can do it. Let's see if we can.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's the actor out there that doesn't have the fame they deserve based off their acting chops?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, people love to do that on social media. They'll show a image of a guy who nobody knows his name, but you know, four movies he was in. And they, they love to say if this actors in the movie, you know, instantly it's a great picture right there. There are guys like that. Character actors. Yeah, but we're not talking about character actors. We're talking about guys you would hold up as the best in their profession. And Mike Trout is probably the all time answer to that question, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can't think of a better one.

[Mike Ryan]

He literally could walk around.

[Chris Cody]

Surgeon.

[Mike Ryan]

I bet you you could walk around people do the thing of like Messi and Miami. Well, it's America and soccer isn't yet achieved the those heights. I think Mike Trout could walk around Los Angeles county and people wouldn't know who he is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was, I thought that a couple seasons ago when Sandy Alcantara was winning Cy Young's. I thought that about him because he didn't really, I think down here in Miami didn't get the attention he deserved.

[Dave Damashek]

I get the, this is why Messi picked America. Look at him not being noticed. And I find that so stupid. When it's a dude clearly video recording Messi, he was not noticed. It went viral because a dude, the only cow that's messy. It's the dumbest argument. Look at him not being noticed out there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

What are you talking about?

[Dave Damashek]

The man is walking to his car. It's an invasion of privacy. Yeah, but he was very clearly noticed.

[Dan Le Batard]

But Michael Jackson was not going to like a grocery store by himself. You don't have security with him.

[Dave Damashek]

You don't know that this is a tree falling in the forest type of thing. You don't know how many times Michael Jordan went to Dick's Sporting Goods.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, you obviously noticed Shaquille o' Neal if he's walking around. You know, the striking thing is, in fact, if you saw Kobe Bryant around, it was always like, oh my God, who is that gigantic person? And you realize, oh, Kobe Bryant's just the average height of an NBA basketball player. And yet among normal people, he's really a striking figure. Messi, the thing that would be striking is like, oh, he comes up to my waistline. Look at the little fella. That's the best player in the history of the sport.

[Dave Damashek]

If you saw Messi walking by, you would instantly recognize him. And him being short is part of it.

[Dan Le Batard]

You see right here in this video, he gets in, he's got two kids with him. He's just like in the car, quickly shut the door. And I can't do that.

[Dave Damashek]

I can't do that. I make sure everybody's buckled up. I will. I do that. With 40 year olds entering my car, I'm the last person to get in. It's just Robert Pattinson.

[Mike Ryan]

Robert Pattinson would, would be mobbed in any Hollywood situation. All right, it's time everybody. Let's get to it. It's football season, like I say, and it's not just the players who are getting into shape physically and otherwise in training camp. The fans need to get right to mentally and beyond. It's time to play Mr. Lister. Let's do a football based category. Chris Cody wisely hiding himself. Today it's Tache v. Mike Ryan.

[Jonathan Sasso]

No.

[Dave Damashek]

What do you Cubans.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Chris Cody]

Selection.

[Mike Ryan]

Should we go with what's what? What favors Tashay most?

[Chris Cody]

Nothing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Theater.

[Mike Ryan]

You're not Olivia Rodrigo. You're not good at this. For newbies, we'll trade back and forth. I'm going to give you a category and you'll go back and forth one by one into one of you this is my first. Cannot come up with an answer.

[Chris Cody]

Why is it always me getting embarrassed?

[Mike Ryan]

This is your first.

[Dave Damashek]

This is my first. And it always seems so easy when I'm not playing in it.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, people always say.

[Dan Le Batard]

People always think of Jason Taylor as a Dolphin hall of Famer.

[Mike Ryan]

Last week, did you catch that Mike Ryan, the guy wearing the Miami Dolphins T shirt right now, the list was. The list was Pro Football hall of Famers who played or coached.

[Dave Damashek]

What day did you ask them? Was it a Thursday?

[Dan Le Batard]

Friday?

[Dave Damashek]

Oh, okay. Fair after Wednesday just drops off a cliff. There's pre bowling Chris. Post bowling Chris.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wednesday's RO is rough.

[Mike Ryan]

I want to help cash.

[Dave Damashek]

The occasional Monday is rough too.

[Chris Cody]

It's fine. I'll try my best.

[Tony]

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[Dave Damashek]

That's true.

[Tony]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

say when I turn 80, all bets are off. That's when the heroin starts. But then I moved it up to 75 a few years ago.

[Dave Damashek]

Dave Demichek.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm thinking now, 65 years of age, Jonathan Sasso. I have a pact with a friend that if we both live until 90, we're going to do heroin.

[Dave Damashek]

This is the Dan Levata show.

[Mike Ryan]

We play Mr. Lister on football America Tuesday in August to get right Tuesdays,

[Dave Damashek]

you'll get a solid Chris Cody.

[Mike Ryan]

It was, it was pretty striking when it was Tony versus Cody versus Tashay. It was cute. Everybody was. And then we did Cody versus Zaslow. And you realized, oh, Zaslow actually knows what he's talking about.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just, I felt the pressure.

[Chris Cody]

I know things.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, well, let these. Let's see what you. Well, the subject is football. All right. And so let's do football here. I'm trying to figure out what's what. Which one favors you at least a little bit.

[Chris Cody]

Fine. Just pick the one that doesn't so I can not be embarrassed. 1.

[Mike Ryan]

These are the most famous. These are famous names. So. So this should play Indian. I'm going to let you go first here. 2000 yard running backs in NFL history.

[Chris Cody]

Chris Johnson.

[Mike Ryan]

That's correct.

[Dave Damashek]

Terrell Davis.

[Mike Ryan]

That's correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, really?

[Chris Cody]

Sean Alexander. Is he on that list? He had a good year.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, there's just so many ways you could go there. Why is it the first one that came to mind? What do you want?

[Chris Cody]

There's a pacing to this, Dave. You want me to go quick or you want me to just sit here and go, mm. We edit pitch clock for a reason.

[Dave Damashek]

Uh huh.

[Chris Cody]

It's because we sit there for about, I don't know, 90 seconds at a time.

[Mike Ryan]

Baseball's pastoral. Football's on a clock, friend. No, Sean Alexander is not correct. I'd like you to steal the category. Mike Ryan with one.

[Dave Damashek]

Barry Sanders.

[Mike Ryan]

Barry Sanders.

[Dave Damashek]

I've got more.

[Mike Ryan]

Go ahead, please.

[Dave Damashek]

Jamal Lewis. Sneaky.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right. That's a good one.

[Dave Damashek]

And Jonathan Taylor. Didn't he just have one.

[Mike Ryan]

Jonathan Taylor did not. But you have.

[Dave Damashek]

You got close.

[Chris Cody]

How could you get that wrong?

[Dave Damashek]

I'm sorry, I.

[Chris Cody]

And you would say Ricky Williams.

[Dave Damashek]

I outscored you by two.

[Mike Ryan]

Did you? Well, it's good you didn't say Ricky Williams because that would also be a wrong answer. But also that's what Chris fed me.

[Chris Cody]

He walked to the guy and he went, O.J.

[Dave Damashek]

simpson.

[Mike Ryan]

It's really not. Ricky didn't have a friend. It's really important to phone. Smart friend. Eric is of course correct. The greatest season.

[Chris Cody]

The great Adrian Peterson.

[Mike Ryan]

Adrian.

[Dave Damashek]

The.

[Mike Ryan]

The best one is Eric Dickerson. Adrian Peterson has the Second highest rush total, but of course the most recent one game, Saquon.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, yeah, that guy's good.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Derek Henry did it once and almost did it a second time.

[Dave Damashek]

How about the Titans, huh? Two 2K rushers.

[Mike Ryan]

That's wild. Yeah. And Derek Henry, by the way, is one of those guys who I will never draft in fantasy because I can talk about to go way back to where we started this show about, about your personal confirmation of what you thought. But I didn't think Derek Henry was going to work out in the NFL and so I cannot put him on my fantasy team ever. And now he's going to retire as easily one of the 10 best running backs of the super bowl era. Do you want to do another one?

[Chris Cody]

Easily? I mean, he ran for 2,000 yards in one season.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right. Yeah, I heard about that. Do you want to do one more?

[Dave Damashek]

Absolutely. I feel like I cover myself in glory in this.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, Roy, you're up. Now you get to take on in place of me.

[Chris Cody]

Awesome.

[Tony]

Shit.

[Mike Ryan]

I was going to call Chris Cody, but behind your back he pointed at you. So now Roy, you're up.

[Dave Damashek]

Why would you do that? 20, 21. Jonathan Taylor, 1800 yards, by the way.

[Mike Ryan]

That's something else we need to figure out while we play little games here.

[Dave Damashek]

The expanded seasons. What.

[Mike Ryan]

What are we going to do? The expanded seasons is exactly right. The fact that we don't point that out, that we, that we talk about without the context of this college quarterback is the all time leading pass or whatever. Like, yeah, he also played 20 more games than the guy who he just beat out to get that career record. We have to figure out before the season kick, though. What are we going to do as a gang? Are we going to do a fantasy league? Are we going to do some sort of pool, some spread pool, some weekly fantasy?

[Dave Damashek]

This is where I think football America needs to lead from the front.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay?

[Dave Damashek]

You have football in your name.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm down.

[Jonathan Sasso]

I'm down.

[Mike Ryan]

I think we should do a suicide pool.

[Dave Damashek]

We don't say that anymore.

[Chris Cody]

That is how I feel when I play Mr. Lister.

[Dave Damashek]

We don't say that anymore.

[Mike Ryan]

What do we say? What do we call it now?

[Dave Damashek]

Survivor.

[Mike Ryan]

Survivor pool. Right. I say, though, let's change the standard a little bit. Instead of you have to pick a winner every week, you have to pick a team that's definitely going to lose. You're going to run out of gas pretty quick. You'll take the Dolphins or the Browns in week one. And then after that, where are you going you know this team's going to lose down.

[Dave Damashek]

Let's do this.

[Dan Le Batard]

A few years ago, we can't do this because it's not like cool to do it. I pitched and we almost did it but then we were like, this is too not a good idea. A Survivor pool. But instead of for teams, it's running backs and if your running back gets hurt, you're eliminated. So you go around and you like draft a few quarterback. I mean running backs and you have to come up with some sort of standard.

[Dave Damashek]

I. I did like that idea.

[Mike Ryan]

Hurt and has to miss one week.

[Dan Le Batard]

We have to come up with like what exactly?

[Mike Ryan]

Like you can't play one.

[Dave Damashek]

The least amount of games wins.

[Mike Ryan]

I like the immediacy of what Cody said. If your guy cannot go on on game day, then you're out then. And I'll start it with Derek Henry.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're actually doing this.

[Chris Cody]

Go ahead, McCaffrey.

[Mike Ryan]

Oof.

[Jonathan Sasso]

Wait.

[Dave Damashek]

We realize we're trying to draft guys that just stay healthy to say you're

[Dan Le Batard]

eliminated when your guy gets hurt.

[Chris Cody]

All right, never mind. Opposite.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a survivor. You want to survive with your guy healthy. As soon as he misses a game, you're out of the Survivor because it

[Mike Ryan]

would be cruel to cheer when you heard that. Oh yeah, it's a multi week injury. Boy, that, that Achilles looked bad. Yeah.

[Dave Damashek]

Woohoo. This is tougher than you think.

[Dan Le Batard]

We don't have to do it today. We can like think about it because I want to look at my big board of like guys least likely to get hurt.

[Mike Ryan]

All right. I used up. I got to say I used up the jazzier character, Jalen Warren.

[Chris Cody]

This makes me realize that this is a pretty tough sport.

[Mike Ryan]

I used up a lot of good categories on this week's Mr. Lister. Spoiler alert. Roy is a part of it. Amin Al Hasan is a part of it. Good times. Make sure. Check out the new episode. And if that didn't win you over, Mina Kimes shadows the digital door as well with some thoughts about the upcoming season right here. Pretty straightforward category. Roy, you're up first against Mike Ryan. Here we go. The category is all time official NFL sack leaders. That is a little hint for you or I'll give you a more specific one. Deacon Jones isn't on here because they weren't recording sacks on Deacon Jones, who probably would be the all time sacks leader had they been tracked.

[Dave Damashek]

Hold on. Explain this to me. We're listing people that at the end of the season were the single season.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no career sacks.

[Dave Damashek]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

All time top 20.

[Dave Damashek]

All right. Okay. This is good. All right, so Michael Strahan.

[Mike Ryan]

Michael Strahan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Question mark there.

[Dave Damashek]

That's not question mark.

[Jonathan Sasso]

No,

[Dave Damashek]

my tone was affirmative. Michael Shanahan.

[Mike Ryan]

That's correct.

[Dave Damashek]

Number six, Reggie White.

[Mike Ryan]

I like when Mike does this. He articulates like I'm Alex Trebek.

[Dave Damashek]

That's what I was trying to do.

[Mike Ryan]

Reginald White. Green Bay Packers, Philadelphia Eagles. There's another team he played for. Can you name it? Mike Ryan, for bonus points.

[Dave Damashek]

Carolina Panthers.

[Chris Cody]

Ah. Oh, man, I was about to say that.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, now he. That was a little bit of showing off. You're up.

[Chris Cody]

All right.

[Dave Damashek]

Lawrence Taylor.

[Mike Ryan]

Lawrence Taylor.

[Dave Damashek]

You think that was a question too?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, you are.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. I have to put my glasses. I cannot believe, as somebody who is a devoted football lover and would pat himself on the back of like, ah, no flies on me in super bowl era trivia, I cannot believe the name that is next to Lawrence Taylor right now. But that is not much of a clue because you will not. You will not get it.

[Dave Damashek]

Mike Ryan running a risk here. I don't know if he played long enough, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna take a risky one here. J.J. watt.

[Mike Ryan]

J.J. watt is not on the board here.

[Chris Cody]

God.

[Mike Ryan]

Moron.

[Dave Damashek]

That's. That's crazy, huh?

[Mike Ryan]

That is hard to believe. I mean, now I have to question.

[Dave Damashek]

That one was risky.

[Mike Ryan]

This is from my sources, Pro Football Reference. I don't think these names can be right.

[Dave Damashek]

I mean, there's longevity. Guys, I get it.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait till you hear these names.

[Dave Damashek]

Is Charles Haley there?

[Mike Ryan]

Charles Haley is not on the list. Number one is. It's not Reggie White, but a contemporary, always on the list of best defensive players ever.

[Dave Damashek]

Adewale Agunlier.

[Mike Ryan]

Close. Bruce Smith. Kevin Green.

[Dave Damashek]

You remember that one time that Bruce Smith went on television and he fell straight backwards because allegedly he was inebriated? That was crazy. Yeah. Have you ever seen that video?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, pull that up. I'll read these names while you do. Talk about the Carolina Panthers. Kevin Green played for them. Julius Peppers is four. Number five is Chris Doleman.

[Dave Damashek]

Yeah. Oh, number five was Dolman. That's surprising. So there was. I was considering over J.J. watt. I was considering Julius Peppers, but I felt better about J.J. watt. So I'm an idiot. Where's Jason Taylor on that list?

[Mike Ryan]

Seven. He's the next name up. Number eight is Terrell Suggs. A great and enduring player, but the 8th all time. Then Von Miller and Demarcus Ware tied. Then Richard Dent and John Randall tied at 11:13. Jared Allen so far, nothing too crazy. Here we go.

[Dave Damashek]

Jared Allen's pretty high up.

[Mike Ryan]

Number 14, John Abraham.

[Dave Damashek]

That's nuts.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, all time. What? What?

[Dave Damashek]

If you would. If you would ask me who has more sacks in their career, Jadavian Clowney or John Abraham. I would have said Clowney because he's been in the league forever.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, this is a crazy list. Wait, I'm going to skip the one who's tied with Lawrence Taylor? 17. Cameron Jordan, number 18, Ricky Jackson. A couple of pit guys showing up here.

[Dave Damashek]

Myles Garrett. Close.

[Mike Ryan]

Miles Garrett is tied for 20th with Dwight Freeney. Derek Thomas still hanging in there at number 19. Mention Ricky Jackson, the guy tied with Lawrence Taylor, number 15. Now, they didn't start recording sacks until I think mid-70s ish. Somewhere around there. Leslie O'. Neill. Leslie O'.

[Jonathan Sasso]

Neill.

[Mike Ryan]

What the hell? More than J.J. watt. More than any other human being.

[Dave Damashek]

How far off is JJ Watt from the top 20 according to Pro hell. And I would have. I was torn. Like maybe TJ is.

[Chris Cody]

TJ is a half sack ahead of JJ. JJ's at 114 and a half. So to get to the top 10, that was 138 and a half.

[Dave Damashek]

If we were going to keep going with Mr. Lister, I probably would have guessed Calais Campbell at one point and he's 25th.

[Chris Cody]

He's at 117 sacks.

[Dave Damashek]

Well, congratulations.

[Chris Cody]

Jadavian Clowney is 127.

[Mike Ryan]

Do we have video? Bruce Smith.

[Dave Damashek]

David sucks.

[Chris Cody]

That's 66 and a half sacks.

[Dave Damashek]

How's he still going to work?

[Mike Ryan]

Mike, in our remaining time here, I want to make sure that you.

[Dave Damashek]

You need to find this Bruce Smith thing. It's crazy.

[Mike Ryan]

I just found it for myself.

[Chris Cody]

I'm going to send it to the video team.

[Mike Ryan]

Where did you come down? I. You know, to me I'll just. Cliff's notes. My reaction, because I am the resident Steelers fan here, what jumped out to me, a lot of people ask me, what do you think about Aaron Rodgers comments on television? What it stands out to me is what a hypocrite he is that he demands that people cover people's personal lives and yet has been married for the better part of a year. Like, should everybody dig in on everybody's marital status? Is that what you're asking for, Aaron?

[Dave Damashek]

I've seen that take. And you know what's weird is he kind of makes the omission. I read his book cover to cover and it was a great listen. A real page turner. And he kind of understands where he went wrong with the immunized thing. There There seems to be some regret, and then you don't believe there's regret when he does the whole playing the victim card. My guy, Kirk Cousins and Lamar Jackson didn't get anything, really for being unvaccinated. They didn't. They did not catch flak. Why is that? They just hate you. They know you lied about it. You tried to make a game out of it. You try to be all cute, and then you try to play victim because people catching you playing cute. You are not the only unvaccinated quarterback, yet you're the only guy vilified. And you. You struggle to understand what makes you different. It's the lie, pal. I. For the life of me, why can't he understand that?

[Mike Ryan]

He wants it to be. He wants to pretend it's about free speech and somebody trying to diminish his free speech. For the record, I love free speech because it allows the fools to tell on themselves. Say whatever you want. If you want to be a dork about this, please dork out. What it also suggests to me is that he's emotionally brittle, and it kind of points to without. I know it's a little bit of a reach, but it does kind of indicate to me why he might fall on his face in the biggest spots, that if you challenge him, which the best defenses do in January and when it's all on you and there's no one else to blame, that somehow you wind up in trouble. All right, let's see the Bruce Smith.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Falling back, guys, in a different way.

[Chris Cody]

All right, it's B roll. So Trev Alberts talking about it. Here he is.

[Dave Damashek]

He's.

[Chris Cody]

Now he's going back.

[Dave Damashek]

Oh, like a tree.

[Chris Cody]

He kept his hands in his.

[Dave Damashek]

He kept his hands in his. I'm so happy.

[Chris Cody]

What a great observation.

[Dave Damashek]

It's my favorite detail about the whole thing. I wanted you to discover it. He falls straight back after a couple stumbles, but his hands say in his pockets the entire time.

[Chris Cody]

How is this not on your top five things you like to show people?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, I love this. And now I need to have that video for all of time. The highlight for me, Trev Albert watches him fall, then turns right back, keeps on going.

[Chris Cody]

You know those tiny back to school

[Dan Le Batard]

emergencies that somehow become your problem?

[Chris Cody]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Dan Le Batard]

So when your kid casually drops, I

[Mike Ryan]

don't like peanut butter anymore.

[Dan Le Batard]

Or I need five green highlighters for

[Mike Ryan]

a project due tomorrow.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

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