Bam Adebayo vs. Tyler Herro: Who Ya Got? | Local Hour

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show – “Bam Adebayo vs. Tyler Herro: Who Ya Got?” | Local Hour

Date: July 13, 2026
Location: Live from Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Main Cast: Dan Le Batard (host), Mike Ryan, Jeremy Tache, Izzy, Zaslow, others

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Episode Overview

This "Local Hour" episode dives deeply into the explosive rumor and recent incident involving two cornerstone Miami Heat players: Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro. The panel debates the reported punching incident, its context within Miami Heat/“Heat Culture,” and its broader significance for the franchise and South Florida sports narratives. The show further explores ideas of professionalism, player resentment, favoritism, and locker room dynamics with Le Batard’s trademark blend of humor, local insight, and raw candor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Setting the Scene: Heat Drama Like Never Before

[05:09]

• Dan opens by framing the Bam-Tyler clash as perhaps the most soap-operatic moment in South Florida sports he can recall, setting a dramatic tone.
• He reflects on this Heat roster’s lack of “introspection” or emotional openness, referencing past Heat players (e.g., Dion Waiters, Hassan Whiteside) as similarly shallow interviews.
• Dan sets out to untangle the social media origins and deeper meaning of the Bam-Tyler beef.

Notable quote:

“This Heat team that just got done playing was among the least introspective Heat teams of my lifetime... there’s not a lot of thought going on.”
— Dan Le Batard [05:27]

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2. Social Media Stupidity & The Indirect(s)

[06:41] – [07:25]

• Dan and the crew dissect Herro’s alleged indirect/social media message (“If I’m healthy, they can’t see me. Word to my mother.”), poking fun at its outmoded slang and “John Cena” references.
• They puzzle how such a statement could so deeply offend Bam Adebayo.
• Panel agrees the larger issue isn’t this one comment, but a cauldron of simmering resentments between the two players, centered on perceptions of blame and favoritism.

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3. The Roots of Resentment: Favoritism, Professionalism, and Role

[08:05] – [10:16]

• Mike and Dan connect this incident to longstanding locker room dynamics: Herro’s belief he’s unfairly scapegoated, while Bam is considered the organization’s “sacred child.”
• The show references a Barry Jackson report about Heat player resentment that Bam was never part of trade rumors, unlike Herro and others.
• Jeremy argues this resentment is irrational, as Herro and Butler had clear trade logic (age, contract demands, perceived value).

Notable quote:

“It’s inner office dynamics... It’s why the Seattle Seahawks ended up hating their own quarterback because he had a certain relationship with management that made them all more expendable.”
— Dan Le Batard [09:31]

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4. Parallels with Draymond Green–Jordan Poole and Heat ‘Culture’

[10:44] – [14:09]

• Dan plays and responds to recent Draymond Green comments addressing his punch of Jordan Poole and subsequent criticism from Udonis Haslam.
• The segment delves into “who’s allowed to critique whom” within NBA culture, drawing lines between public criticism and the sanctity of the locker room.
• Discussion of Haslam’s fiery response to Draymond.
• The hosts weigh Draymond’s self-perception as a teammate and introspection vs. public perception and team turmoil.

Notable quote:

“Draymond Green says, ‘I’m immune to the opinions of people I don’t respect... but I’m not immune to people I do respect.’”
— Dan Le Batard [10:16]

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5. Is This Heat Culture or Just a Circus?

[15:49] – [24:05]

• The panel debates whether Bam’s punch fits into the mythos of “Heat Culture” or undermines it.
• Izzy and others question Bam’s professionalism, arguing that this kind of violence is a “bad look” and analogous to Draymond-Poole, not championship behavior.
• Jeremy and Mike defend Bam’s reputation, emphasizing his leadership, availability, and prior support of Herro—suggesting Tyler’s lashing out came after years of tension.
• Dan draws workplace parallels: “This is the last drop in a bucket that's making the bucket overflow.” [24:31]

Notable quote:

“This is the perfect punctuation on the failure of this core.”
— Dan Le Batard [16:49]

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6. The Fallout and Franchise Direction

[27:42] – [33:28]

• Jeremy admits as a Heat fan, it’s mortifying that the team is now in “bullshit” headlines rather than basketball glory (e.g., Deion Waiters’ infamous gummy incident).
• Dan points out the only recent national buzz for the Heat has been around trades or drama, not basketball success.
• The group contemplates whether the Heat front office (e.g., Pat Riley, Haslam) quietly approves of conflict as a motivator, or if this is just an embarrassing byproduct of mediocrity.
• They agree we haven’t seen this sort of incident in South Florida sports—closest examples involve off-the-field brawls or “circuses” (e.g., Blades Brothers, Incognito-Jonathan Martin).

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7. What Happens If the Video Leaks? The Jordan Poole Effect

[42:05] – [43:56]

• Mike and Dan speculate about a possible video ("There has to be video" —Dan, [43:26]), and how public perception might shift if the punch surfaces and looks especially damaging (as with Jordan Poole).
• Discussion turns to how such shame lingers: Poole’s career trajectory post-incident is referenced.
• They point out if talking behind backs justified this violence, leagues would be even more chaotic.

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8. Root Cause: Money, Recognition, & Organizational Faith

[44:47] – [45:06]

• Dan, Mike, and Izzy return to the core issue: money and recognition. Bam got a contract extension and organizational loyalty; Herro and Butler didn’t.
• There’s consensus that the punch was less about tweets and more a culmination of years of simmering workplace resentment over status, playing time, and being “the chosen one.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the punch being emblematic:

  “This isn’t nearly as cool... Punching Tyler Herro isn’t nearly as cool as you think it is. It’s a pretty easy mark.”
  — Izzy [34:14]

• On what happens if the Celtics had done this:

  “If the Celtics did this, Jeremy would be laughing at what a shit show they became.”
  — Izzy & Mike Ryan [29:02-29:10]

• On Heat’s recent relevance:

  “The only times in the last year Miami Heat have been part of any national conversation is when they trade for Giannis, when Bam gets 83, or this [the fight]. Everything else is irrelevant.”
  — Dan Le Batard [27:42]

• On the player experience:

  “Tyler Herro was in trade rumors for five consecutive years... every summer was, ‘I guess I’m going to Houston. Oh, I might be going to Milwaukee this time.’”
  — Izzy [41:15]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:09] — Dan lays out why this Bam-Herro story is unprecedented in South Florida sports drama
• [06:41] — Social media stupidity and the “word to my mother” post
• [09:31] — Dan compares Heat locker room politics to Seahawks/Russell Wilson
• [10:44] — Draymond Green comments and parallel with Heat’s punch incident
• [15:49] — “Heat Culture” in question; Bam/Herro’s mutual hurt and history
• [22:30] — Bam as management’s extension; favoritism vs. earned respect
• [24:31] — Dan: this is “the last drop in a bucket that's making the bucket overflow”
• [27:42] — Heat now in the headlines for nonsense, not basketball
• [29:02] — If the Celtics did this, it’d be a national laughingstock
• [33:40] — Bobby Portis rookie year punch and Heat’s non-response
• [42:05] — “Closest local comp” and anticipation of video footage
• [43:26] — “There has to be video... nowhere are there more cameras than a Las Vegas hotel.”
• [44:47] — “It’s not just about DMs... Bam got his extension and the other two guys didn’t.”

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Tone, Humor, and Cast Dynamics

• Conversational and irreverent, with plenty of local fan perspective and inside jokes
• Frequent hyperbole ("circus") to drive home the embarrassing, unusual nature of the incident
• Panelists argue over shades of “Heat Culture” and critique each other’s fandom and logic

Memorable exchanges:

• Izzy accusing Jeremy (“If the Celtics did this, Jeremy would be on their ass!” [33:06])
• Mike ribbing Jeremy for defending Bam no matter what (“Can we play the game? What would Bam have to do for Jeremy to criticize him?” [45:36])

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Takeaways for Listeners

• This incident is a lightning rod for deeper issues: Player frustration, locker room politics, the limits of “Heat Culture,” and what truly defines professionalism and loyalty in a sports organization.
• Bam and Herro’s feud is about far more than one social media post—it’s the end result of years of friction over organizational favor, perception, and failure to deliver on early promise.
• The panel is divided: Some see the punch as a betrayal of professionalism and a sign of a franchise in decline; others see it as an understandable—if regrettable—human reaction amid high-stress professional sports.
• If footage leaks, public opinion could shift drastically, as with Draymond-Poole.
• **Ultimately, the event is framed as the “perfect punctuation on the failure of this core” (Dan [16:49]), summarizing years of underachievement and unaddressed resentment bubbling over in a very public, very Miami Heat way.

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For those who missed the show:
This episode provides classic Le Batard Show energy, with honest, sometimes combative debate about what makes a franchise great, how dynasties end, and what happens when the “locker room culture” myth collides with egos, money, and messy human emotions.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

Now I'm pitting cast members against each other that aren't even here tonight.

[Zaslow]

Do you remember?

[Dan Le Batard]

Do any of you remember? Because the day that it happened was Tony was joining our show and he was on Instagram showing himself making a bunch of jumpers. And Billy's like, no man, our show's the show that misses the jumpers. And so since then, Tony's been trying to get a tryout with when the Big Three come into town.

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[Dan Le Batard]

And I don't mean Lebron and Bosh and Wade, I mean Ice Cubes League. When the Big Three comes to town. Whenever there's anything at the arena across the street that involves professional basketball players, Tony tries to get in there. And I'm told he finally got in there for the first time in five years, Tony has gotten in there. And so he's trying out for the

[Jeremy Tache]

for the heat today 10 day Tony. He's at Casaya center right now. We will check in with him. I don't know the exact details. I just know he's trying out for something.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did not pit these cast members against each other. They pit themselves against each other.

[Mike Ryan]

Roy, do you remember Billy's reaction to

[Dan Le Batard]

Tony on Instagram draining a bunch of jumpers from distance and Bill like, what are you doing? That's not what our show is. Our show misses the jumpers.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Izzy]

It seemed like disgust coming out of Billy's face.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's exactly what was coming out of his face. And his mouth, his eyes, just the entirety of the face was giving off disgust.

[Jeremy Tache]

All right. But I, like I before, obviously, way before I started working on this show, I watched Roy. I was there. I was shagging fly balls. I watched Roy hit a home run over the blue scoreboard at Joe Robbie Stadium.

[Dan Le Batard]

I told Carl this the other day, our head of audio, he was truly shocked by it.

[Jeremy Tache]

I've never seen him there.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have never seen anyone as shocked by anything as Carl was to hear the news that Roy had hit a home run out of a major league

[Jeremy Tache]

baseball into the club seats. Dan. Like it was. It was one of the greatest athletic feats I've ever seen.

I love how offended Roy gets when we're shocked by that. He just looked back like, I played baseball. It's like, Roy, I played high school baseball and I don't think I could hit one out of a major league.

Crushed it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chris Cody still is living off his opposite fing opposite field single against Matt Leitos High school. In high school, a little blooper, little. A little looper over the first basement.

[Jeremy Tache]

Hit so hard that the runner on second couldn't score. Had to stop him at third. Hit too hard. Right fielder already has it.

[Izzy]

I used the driver on a par three. It got two inches within the cup.

[Jeremy Tache]

I hit a home run in the media softball game at Marlins Park.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, you did.

[Jeremy Tache]

That fence was about 180.

[Mike Ryan]

It was 9 and 0 with a 115 ERA. But I crossed my.

[Dan Le Batard]

My baseball career ended. This is how it ended. I was on first base. And because you guys just mentioned that a guy couldn't score from second because you hit the single so hard. And I just imagine that the guy on second was me because I'm not particularly fast. And my baseball career ended when there was a wild pitch and I tried to take second, but it came bounced off the backstop so fast. The catcher still threw me out at second. And that's how Yep, I've seen that happen.

[Jeremy Tache]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I was trying to think whether there had ever in the history of South Florida sports been a story like Bam Adebayo punching Tyler Herro, Whether anywhere in all the time that all of us have been talking about sports and beyond. If South Florida sports has a story that's that sort of juicy for those among us who chew on the drama and the soap opera of things. I have a lot of questions and I have a lot of thoughts on this because I think people are misunderstanding what happened here. This Heat team that just got done playing was among the least introspective Heat teams of my lifetime in terms of guys you talk to and do interviews with and just guys who think about basketball and little else. Like, there's not a lot of thought going on that you do interviews with these players. Like, this is a team that's had Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside and a number of different players who aren't introspective. But this one is among the most recent one is among the worst four interviews that I've ever seen. I don't think of Bam and Tyler as spending a lot of time thinking about their feelings or expressing they're feeling. So I'll get to the the details of this story in a second, but I need you, you guys to help me with some of the young people stuff in here because I don't know what is upsetting to Bam out of bio about this quote, indirect messages on social media to whoever it is, Tyler Hero second account was allegedly sending this to.

[Jeremy Tache]

What a stupidity. That is right, by the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, start there with the stupidities. But the quote from Tyler Herro, if I'm healthy, they can't see me. Word to my mother. I haven't heard that since Vanilla Ice. Like, word to your mother is not

[Mike Ryan]

something I have heard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Word to my mother since Vanilla Ice was frauding his way, pretending to be Miami when he was coming up in hip hop and culturally appropriate.

[Jeremy Tache]

But you can't see me. That's John Cena. That's John Cena.

[Dan Le Batard]

But the word to my mother, if I'm healthy, they can't see me.

[Mike Ryan]

What does that mean? How did that make Bam so upset that Bam is punching Tyler Herro in a. In an incident that has no precedent that I can recall in South Florida history?

[Izzy]

What a cell phone, if I'm healthy is especially for that player.

[Mike Ryan]

So here's what I've got for you

[Dan Le Batard]

guys on this story, because I do not believe that this is just about this. I believe is both of them tied to this failure, and now one of them has been shipped to Milwaukee. And he didn't think that he was the problem. This is not a self aware person. I think Tyler Herro thinks he's the best. And I think that Tyler Herro looks at what happened with the Miami Heat and wonders to himself over many years, why is Bam our sacred child?

[Mike Ryan]

I think this goes back to Tyler Herro in the bubble, scoring 37, and what those guys expected to be versus

[Dan Le Batard]

what they were at the end.

[Mike Ryan]

And whatever it is that tore apart

[Dan Le Batard]

McDaniel and Tua when they.

[Mike Ryan]

When those guys got torn apart by the pressure of being the epicenter for the blame, I think that's what happened. You got two guys responsible, more responsible for how all this deteriorated over the last few years.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I don't think it's a coincidence

[Mike Ryan]

that Bam waited until he wasn't a teammate to hit him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, I don't think that that's a

[Mike Ryan]

coincidence that that did not happen when they were in the same uniform.

[Izzy]

Yeah, agreed. One little bit of context here. There was a report from Barry Jackson, who does a tremendous job covering the Miami Heat. It was roughly, I want to say, midweek last week. Any who the report was that there was resentment among Miami Heat players that Bam was just never subject to trade, rumors that he was always off the table, that despite the team's mediocrity, Bam never had to go through what the other players had to.

[Mike Ryan]

And Barry said that right after the. The alleged punch.

[Jeremy Tache]

All right, but, like, that's such bullshit. And I'm not saying that Barry Jackson's report there is bullshit. It's bullshit that you look at that with no context. Right. Jimmy is subject to trade rumors because he's 36 years old and he wanted $55 million a season. And Tyler Herro is subject to trade rumors because they think he's a good player but not a great player and they'd like to get a better player. Like, it's. I don't know. It's. It's bullshit that other guys are upset that Bam wasn't subject.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't. I don't think it's bullshit. I think it's inner office dynamics, and it's why the Seattle Seahawks ended up hating their own quarterback because he had a certain relationship with management that made them all more expendable because he was the guy who marched in lockstep with management. Like, I believe that what happened here. And we'll get more and more details. I look forward to seeing the video. We've got some Draymond Green sound where he admits that he was hurt after he punched Jordan Pool in the face.

[Mike Ryan]

He was hurt that Draymond Green was

[Dan Le Batard]

emotionally hurt after he punched Jordan Poole in the face and hurt his face. Jordan Poole's face.

[Jeremy Tache]

I hope he could recover from that.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was emotionally hurt because you, Donis Haslam was among the critical people.

[Mike Ryan]

And he.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he said something that has some wisdom in it when it comes to criticism. Draymond Green says, I'm immune to the opinions of people I don't respect or care about, but I'm not immune to the opinions of people I do respect. And so when you Donis Haslam was critical of Draymond Green, who punched Jordan Poole in a leaked video while they were still teammates. Here's what Draymond Green has to say about Udonis Haslam that has now pissed off you, Donnis Haslam.

[Zaslow]

And I remember one person when the Jordan Poole incident happened with me was who was really, really, really outspoken about this about it. Who, like everyone else, didn't have a ton of context because you weren't there, but was really outspoken about it. And it really bothered me was you done as Haslam. And the reason it really bothered me is because, man, everybody can have an opinion, and your opinion is what your opinion is. But, you know, I saw you Dynas Hasm get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before, a la Jimmy Butler. I had seen that before. And then he came out and he like, that's ridiculous. You get into it with your young guy. I would never. I can't believe you did that. And it really bothered me because I was like, damn, man. Like, so this dude ain't never been in. And this dude ain't never been in practice where somebody get into a fight. He never got into a fight in practice. Maybe not even in Miami the whole time. Maybe they don't have fights in their practice.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, the heat.

[Zaslow]

Heat. What is it? Heat culture or heat wave? So when I first saw this, I was like, damn, this is two young guys. You Donna's has them raised. And yeah, they not on the same team no more. But if you raise this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me, and now he punches this young, other young guy that y' all kind of co raised, are you going to have that same energy?

[Jeremy Tache]

Do you think there will ever be a day we're years removed from Draymond Green punch and Jordan Poole? I believe it was in 2020. I think it was 2022. I think it was right after they won their title, so four years ago. Do you think there will ever be a day where Draymond, you know, realizes maybe what he did was shitty? Like, will he ever admit that punching Jordan Poole was wrong and stop looking for reasons and explanations why what I did was actually okay? Because it's the same as this. And it's the same as this.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what he's doing right here. Because Draymond Green is at the center of a controversy that we haven't seen a whole lot of, and it scarred him. The trauma of that. It's not just the shame involved with the leaked video. It's also the idea that he's a shitty teammate when he' a championship teammate. Like, the idea that the part that scars Draymond there is the sacredness of the small inner circle of the huddle outside it. He has looked like because of one act, not the every day of it, the every year of it. He's looked at as somebody who is kind of shitty as a teammate in that circumstance.

[Mike Ryan]

And so he's looking for comps, but

[Dan Le Batard]

there are no comps because we don't have video.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, there are no comps that you have of.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of one teammate punching another.

[Mike Ryan]

Unless that didn't even happen to Steve Smith. Like, Steve Smith was punching multiple teammates when he was a football player, but there's not video of it.

[Izzy]

Yeah. I also want to suggest that that's not the only reason people think he's a bad teammate. Yes, that's the headline incident. But it's also the situations that he puts his teams in because of his own lack of control. Famously in the NBA Finals and in games, he's a hothead.

[Jeremy Tache]

I mean, did he run Kevin Durant out of Golden State?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, but there is no chance, 0% chance that whatever you think of Draymond as a bad teammate, he thinks he's a bad teammate. If you ask Draymond Green, are you

[Mike Ryan]

a good teammate or are you a bad teammate? There is no way that he's answering that question.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm a bad teammate.

[Mike Ryan]

And so when I talk about a lack of self awareness, Draymond's actually somebody who I find very introspective. He's got a documentary where he's going to therapy to work.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's on Amazon. To work on his anger control problems. I. I Find him to be someone who's always exploring his feelings. But in this spot, I don't think he would have an accurate self assessment of who he is. But he has more information than we do on whether he's a good or bad teammate.

[Mike Ryan]

We just have the public stuff.

[Jeremy Tache]

I would agree that he probably lacks self awareness there, especially considering this past season he decided to tell everybody that he is not a dirty player. I mean, how could you possibly say such a thing?

[Dan Le Batard]

So you Donis comes back with a wordy response. You don't us doesn't do a whole lot of this. He's in the media game now, so this is beneficial for him to do some of it. But he just says to Draymond Green, if Draymond was upset by the lack of respect from you Donnis before, he's going to be even more upset by this when he says, I see some things just don't change. Lol. You was on suck of shit 4 years ago when you swung on Jordan Poole and you on Suck of Shit Now. I usually don't engage, but since you went so far left to get my attention, here it is. This is a super rare thing. I've told you before that the Miami Heat thrive on conflict like conflict. Pat Riley had no issue with Alonzo Mourning and Shaquille o' Neal getting in his face. He would always say, that's fine. Say bleep you to me, but teach me something. Teach me something. In the fire of the conflict, Shaq has been pulled out by security of like, in his rage. And I would not want to see that man enraged because of how they play with conflict. But this is Bam hurt by what happened here in private because Bam really supportive of Tyler Herro.

[Mike Ryan]

Tyler Herro was really supported by Jimmy Butler. These guys publicly and privately were very supportive of Tyler Herro. And all that's happening here is two people who aren't terribly introspective are hurt.

[Dan Le Batard]

Bam.

[Mike Ryan]

Because of what Tyler said when. They've always defended Tyler, Tyler, because he was traded and blamed for everything that happened here over the last few years. This has been building since Tyler scored 37 in the bubble. This is a. This is the net result of we're not allowed to fight each other when we're in the cauldron. When. When we're in the cauldron. Everything about what we're doing at work, much of it unpleasant, by the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know a lot of people think that basketball lifestyle is glamorous and it is in some respects. And obviously the games and the Money are lovely, but doing walkthroughs in ballrooms

[Mike Ryan]

after you've arrived at 4 o' clock

[Dan Le Batard]

in the morning and traveling with these

[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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Most absurd theater kid basketball analysis line that I've ever heard from him.

[Jeremy Tache]

Jeremy Tache.

My dad was talking about the adjustments that SPO made and criticizing him last night. And Jeremy just back here.

[Mike Ryan]

His adjustments were spectacular.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just like they lost.

[Jeremy Tache]

They're down. Oh two.

This is the Dan Levatan show.

I get you're saying that these guys are hurt and Tyler is hurt because he was traded. But Tyler got in front of a microphone on the same day and told everyone how everything is good with Miami. I respect all those guys. The coach is the front office. He named a bunch of guys by name. But it's Bam that he's. As if said Bam traded him. He's talking shit about Bam behind his back to some random fan. Which again is just mind numbing stupidity. As if the fan wasn't going to screen grab and then post what you said about Bam at a bio. Like that's.

[Mike Ryan]

It's snake behavior.

[Jeremy Tache]

Dan, like why is he speaking that way about Bam about any of his teammates?

[Mike Ryan]

It's really surprising with Bam in particular because like Dan mentioned like Bam always had Tyler's back publicly and privately mad at the organization amidst. Amidst a really turbulent time. Not just for the team but for specifically Jimmy, Bam and Tyler. And as everything ended with Jimmy and he sort of threw both guys to the side. Bam, who had been there as his wingman the entire time. Tyler, who was a guy that he initially built up as as basically a kid. Those two bonded over that. They were close. They were Kentucky guys and Bam was always hyping up Tyler And I think really, you got to a space about near the trade deadline of this year, where finally, as Tyler had constant unavailability on the floor, and Bam was a guy who constantly played through nagging injuries to try to will this team even to the play in, he grew frustrated, they started to have resentment. And Tyler eventually became a guy who said, no, no, no, I'm great. Which is, by the way, the only reason he got to be this great. That irrational confidence.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, but wait a minute, though. When you say irrational confidence, it lacks some self awareness because you've got at the core of this one thing, which is Tyler Herro is not going to look in a mirror and say, I'm not good enough. He's going to look somewhere else for who's not good enough. So you have that. But the other layer to this that you guys, I think are missing is Bam is a pillar of professionalism. But Bam is also an extension on

[Mike Ryan]

the court of all of management.

[Dan Le Batard]

The way you done is Haslam was.

[Mike Ryan]

And that has a resentment in it when you're not one of the teacher's pets. Bam has been treated with great respect by this organization because he gives this organization great respect. This is the worst public moment Bam has ever had. I'm not even sure this organization goes after 83 points if it's Tyler Herro who's going after him. Do you think? So do you guys think it's. It's like the favoritism is earned, but it's still favoritism. Like, they absolutely favor Bam. And I don't think Tyler's checking a mirror when he sees that favoritism happening.

[Izzy]

But that's the business, though, also, I don't think we can continue to say he's a pillar of professionalism.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know about that.

[Izzy]

I don't. I don't think so, guys. Like, I've marinated on this because I did the heat, rah, rah thing. Like, yeah, this is cool. Punch him in the face. Screw him talking that shit. And then I realized after about a day, it's kind of whack. This is a bad look, popping somebody in the face because they just talk shit about you because of, like, with a burner account, like, he's gone, like, punching him on the way out and making Tyler hero a joke. And I know, like, maybe Davion Mitchell was looking at somebody else.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, no, he was fully, like, messing with Jaime Hawk as junior on the other end.

[Jeremy Tache]

But there is.

[Mike Ryan]

They're boys.

[Jeremy Tache]

Like, they're close.

[Izzy]

They were just Working out together, pulling these guys on the way out when the entire team, the entire corps was, you know, very disappointing. It's not the cool look that people think it is. It is actually a lot closer to Draymond Jordan pool behavior than it is to heat culture.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if I agree with this just simply because the details that at least we've been told so far or not that, like, Bam went and sought out Tyler to make up for what had happened with these DMs.

[Jeremy Tache]

He walked out is what happened.

[Mike Ryan]

No, it seems like he walked onto the court and then Tyler started talking, talking to him from across the way. But he was frustrated. He was. He was. He was hurt. After everything that we were talking about,

[Jeremy Tache]

why would Bam be going into the ballroom where Tyler's AAU team workout playing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guys, I really do think this misses some things. Okay? I don't know if you guys fight with your significant others and if those fights are always about the thing it's about, but this is the last drop in a bucket that's making the bucket overflow. And one of the things you could

[Mike Ryan]

look at is Bam got his money. Jimmy and Tyler didn't get their extensions.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, start there. Like, you can make it about everything else. But this ain't about DMs. Like, this is about workplace for the last several years, as they were building something in a cauldron where conflict is the norm. It's a feature, not a bug. Like, you're talking about preferential treatment for Bam. I think it's earned. He plays hard on both ends and he's available all the time. That's why he's an extension of management.

[Dan Le Batard]

They needed one.

[Mike Ryan]

After you done, it's left. He's the guy. You Donis has been there for 20 bleeping years as the extension on the court, the same way that the quarterbacks the extension for management on the court. You saw what happened with Russell Wilson after they won a championship. This didn't win a championship. This collapsed at the end. And Bam got his money. Bam got his money and his favoritism and his preferred status. And Tyler, in the shadows, says something different.

[Dan Le Batard]

Allegedly. According to what?

[Mike Ryan]

What? This is his second account, right? This isn't even Tyler heroes actual account. It's known to be his second. It's not even a secret account. But it's him in disguise, is it not? But this is him doing something in the shadows as he puts on the public face because he doesn't want the problems with management. But he's already Got the problems with Bam.

[Izzy]

It's a circus. It's a circus for a mediocre team. This isn't, like, championship DNA stuff. I'm a. I'm a Heat rah rah guy. I love you, Dee. Invoking Tim and Zoe. You got it. You got to take.

[Jeremy Tache]

Oh, you better mention that he invoked Glenn. Do not gloss over him saying, and

[Izzy]

Glenn, I think you got to take a step back and say, like, this shit. Shit happens to bad teams. Like, this isn't nearly as cool as I thought initially.

[Jeremy Tache]

Okay? So it's interesting that you say that.

[Izzy]

I think it's kind of. It's kind of unprofessional and a little circusy.

[Jeremy Tache]

Okay, it's interesting that you say that part, because I'll back up for a moment. As far as the incident goes, like, I do think there's part of it where I like what Bam did, because it's enough with just, in general, talking shit on social media. Like, that's the lamest thing. And burner accounts and DMs and talking shit. It's.

It.

That whole deal is lame. Okay? It's. It's. It's like when Mike Tyson said, we forget the way we talk on the Internet, that sometimes you can get punched in the face. But taking. Setting that aside for a second here, I do agree with what Mike is saying. From the respect of. One of the things I love about the Miami Heat, about the organization, is they don't get involved in the bullshit. They don't get involved in the nonsense. The main thing is the main thing, and it's basketball, and it's being serious about basketball. And right now, the Heat are in the middle of the bullshit. Like, the same way that Deion Waiters is, you know, taking too many gummies and spazzing out and they gotta land the plane. Like, that's bullshit that my team is not supposed to be in the headlines for, and that's embarrassing to me. So that's from that respect. I don't like this, because this is the bullshit that this team usually, but

[Dan Le Batard]

to Mike's point about this being, over the last year, a bit of an irrelevant, mediocre franchise. The only times in the last year that the Miami Heat have been a part of a conversation of any kind that's national is when they trade for Giannis, when Bam gets 83 or this. Everything else is irrelevant. It's a regional sports team over the last year, and the things that they're doing are not interesting to anybody nationally. Before that, it was the bullshit of Jimmy Butler.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, the national stories around this team are not celebrating the play. It's nonsense.

[Izzy]

Also socked him without hesitation. And going at Tyler, hero. You don't get cool points and badass points for socking Tyler Herro. Yeah, I hope it's without hesitation. It's Tyler Herro. Have you seen the video of him using the punching bag? Like, no. It's like bullying a child on the way out. It shows circusy. It feels. It's Washington Wizards behavior. It's not championship behavior. And I know I'm playing the result because this team is perpetually in the playing, but this is. We have to. We. People have been breathless saying that this is an all time moment and pounding their chest and Heat, all that. This is embarrassing.

[Dan Le Batard]

I. I don't know who's saying that. I do know that Jeremy's about to punch you in the face because he disagrees.

[Jeremy Tache]

Can you imagine?

This is funny, though, looking at Jeremy, like, Jeremy seems like one of the last people I would ever think to be pro fight.

But the Heat do it.

And he's like, come on.

[Izzy]

If the Celtics did this, Jeremy would be laughing at what a shit show.

[Jeremy Tache]

The fact that you're looking, you're trying been this like, oh, this is good. This is a good thing.

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[Izzy]

If the Celtics did this, we'd all be laughing at what a shit show they became.

[Mike Ryan]

He's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

The way I have interpreted Jeremy's theatrical faces is not that he's good with how cool the fight was. It's that he disagrees with just about everything. Mike saying that's the way, I just don't really understand.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, I get. I get the. The element of this that does feel like it's not the standard on the court. You know, you, Donnis, Haslam and David west, things like that.

[Jeremy Tache]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

But I think that Bam was legitimately hurt by the way that this ended. And again, the way that this has been reported is not that he went and sought him out. Everyone is in this hotel ballroom working out. And if Tyler, after those DMs leak week, and after he posted a graphic on that same Instagram talking about how Giannis and Bam are in the bottom 10 in mid range field goal shooting, and Bam is sitting there like, dude, I backed you up time and time again. And by the way, the whispers over and over again were that basically Tyler, when he wouldn't dress, it was because he wouldn't play unless he was feeling 100% because he didn't want to get the blame if he Played poorly while Bam was out there playing through everything. He was the captain, he was the leader. He had the guys back.

[Jeremy Tache]

Let me.

[Mike Ryan]

And at the end of it, that type of betrayal happens.

[Jeremy Tache]

Let me ask you something.

[Mike Ryan]

I can understand the frustration, that's all.

[Jeremy Tache]

Let me ask something. Do you think the Heater happy this happened?

[Mike Ryan]

No, of course not. Of course. But also, there's a fire there that they might like.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'd be real curious for the honest thoughts of Pat Riley. And you done. Is Haslam on this? Because I'm less sure than you are on this. Based on this part of what I know about this team and who leads it. Pat Riley was very close friends with the Van Gundys. Very close friends. And he torched the friendship with Jeff Van Gundy before a Game 7 against the Knicks publicly by just. He. Actually, I wrote a column. They called me from a boat to torch that friendship because he wanted the stakes higher in that game seven and just set to the friendship. Pat Riley has lifers and loyalists who work for him because once you work for someone else, you're not with him anymore. You're not on his team anymore. And so I'm less sure than you are.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know. I do not know. I have not talked to him about this. But I'm less sure than you are, given whatever the frustrations are with Tyler Herro here, how upset they actually are that this is the end result of the punctuation of. And really, after all that, you're going to talk shit in the shadows. You're not even going to say it in my face. You're not even. You're not even going to say it to me. You're going to do it from a burner account with some random fan outside of our circle, and then you're going to go in front of everybody and say the bullshit of. I'm fine with everybody on the heap,

[Dan Le Batard]

but on the Internet, I'm eating up bullshit.

[Jeremy Tache]

Interestingly enough, I think the Heat would have been more okay with him doing it on the court.

[Izzy]

100%. 100%. And knowing what I know about Bam, I'm not friends with him, but I'd say if anybody kind of regrets the actions of a few days ago, it might be Bam. The most guys, if talking shit behind someone's back in the workplace was the barometer for socking them in the face, we'd see this every day in the NBA. It's not. Yeah. Doing it from a burner account. It's bullshit. Talking shit behind someone's back is bullshit. It's not worth punching somebody in the face over in a public place bringing this kind of attention to the franchise. It's a circus. And I'm 100% right that if it happened to the Celtics, Jeremy would be on their ass.

[Mike Ryan]

I would really need to know which players.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think if the Heat had that much of a problem with it, there would be punitive measures for embarrassing the.

[Izzy]

They might be handling that in house.

[Jeremy Tache]

I think the league's gonna punish.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, the league might punish, but the Heat aren't commenting. They don't even have a comment. The Heat.

[Mike Ryan]

The Heat don't even have a comment saying, we don't condone violence.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, it's just no comment.

[Mike Ryan]

There's no comment. And there's a video of Bobby Portis doing an introduction on social media and bam. Walking up and shoving him and basically calling him an asshole and them getting along that way. So I think that's all the comment that you need.

[Jeremy Tache]

People may not remember Bobby Portis rookie year. He punched out cold one of his teammates in Chicago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Usually the fights in sports are over women or gambling debts. They're not over hurt feelings.

[Izzy]

And that was a circus. It is pretty much always a circus when something like this happens. The Heat are not immune to it, especially when they don't have the recent success to point to. What I'm just saying is let's catch our breath. This isn't nearly as cool. And punching Tyler Hero isn't nearly as cool as you think it is. It's a pretty easy mark.

[Jeremy Tache]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Jeremy Tache]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Jeremy Tache]

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Bonus points if you remember which teammate Portis punched out wasn't Rondo Nico Miracles.

No.

[Izzy]

Top shelf, huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

I can't remember this ever happening in South Florida sports before. The closest thing I have to it is the Blades brothers used to throw weights at each other in the weight room. When they'd get mad at each other, yeah, everybody would scamper, they'd throw the dumbbells at each other.

[Izzy]

There is presently a case in litigation for several years on end involving the University of Miami football team.

[Jeremy Tache]

Can't think of anything I'd want thrown at me less than a dumbbell hot suit.

A knife.

All right, fine.

[Mike Ryan]

Shout out Jerry Smith.

[Dan Le Batard]

The part of this, though, as Mike says, circus again and again. And Mike says people think it is cool. I'm not absorbing or hearing any of what is cool here. I've rarely heard that a fight like this between especially these two, where I think most people looking at this would say just. Just physically looking at it, that this is bullying like that.

[Mike Ryan]

If Tyler Herro punching Bam would be

[Dan Le Batard]

something, that would be something more surprising

[Mike Ryan]

than Bam punching Tyler Herro. But it is weird that it is. Bam and I, and you guys are skipping right past the part I keep

[Dan Le Batard]

bringing up, which is at the end,

[Mike Ryan]

McDaniel, McDaniel and Tua thought they had a good relationship right up until everything

[Dan Le Batard]

started flaming out and blame had to be assigned. And then their relationship fell apart.

[Mike Ryan]

Bam and Hero thought they had a good relationship. And then the Celtics passed them and the Knicks passed them and the Hawks passed them. And none of that was supposed to happen when Tyler Herrero was scoring 37 in the bubble. And when you're living with that every day. And everyone's wondering, hey, Tyler, can you get better? And Tyler's like, I'm plenty good enough. It's not my fault. This isn't my fault. What about this guy? What about the guy they gave the money to? Think about that for a second. There is no one with the Heat

[Dan Le Batard]

willing to say Bam's not good enough.

[Mike Ryan]

Everyone says he's untradeable. No one says that of Bam except Mike Ryan. Like, people who are frustrated, fans who are frustrated with Bam. But no one inside of the organization says Bam's not good enough. Now Tyler's the one giving voice to it. It's because once Jimmy left, it was the two of them. And then who else you going to blame? This isn't Bam fighting the third player. It's not the fourth player. It's the two who are getting the blame as not good enough. I think that's the core of it. Where Tyler still saying, it ain't my fault. You saw me. You saw what I did. When I'm healthy. Word to your mother.

[Izzy]

Tyler Herro was in trade rumors for five consecutive years. His experience down here in Miami every summer was, I guess I'm going to Houston. Oh, I might be going to Milwaukee this time. Is it going to be Portland? So I can understand him not thinking that the gulf between him and Bam is like, wait, Bam's living this charm life every year, Just the golden boy of the organization and never subject to this, even though they're always fishing for superstars. And he'd be an easy name to throw in to acquire a superstar that is perceived as better. I can understand there being animosity, there some bitterness.

[Jeremy Tache]

Shouldn't the animosity be the organization then?

[Izzy]

But, dude, I think this happens everywhere. Everywhere. And sometimes when this stuff happens, we don't hear about it. I guarantee you there have been several instances of teammates getting in fights that we never hear about it.

[Dan Le Batard]

But Zaz, when you say, shouldn't his anger be at the organization?

[Zaslow]

It is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Bamboo is the representative for this organization. The comps that we have on this locally are incognito and Jonathan Martin.

[Mike Ryan]

But that doesn't have reports of hitting, physical contact, a fight being won or lost. It doesn't have. That example you done is when at Jimmy Butler in protection of spobe. And we clucked plenty about that. But it doesn't have someone being hit. It doesn't. It doesn't rise to the level of physical confrontation. That is people being pulled apart. It's just one dude being Punched and taking it. Right. Because it's not the way that I've

[Dan Le Batard]

read about the accounts of this, and I'm surprised that there's not more video.

[Mike Ryan]

It's just Tyler Herro taking a punch. It's not several punches. It's not knocking him out. If we. Do you think this is much different? It has to be much different.

[Dan Le Batard]

If we could see it right? If.

[Mike Ryan]

I think the reaction to this is much different. If all of a sudden you see Tyler Herro crumbling. If there's. If. If what happened to Jordan Poole is something that makes you feel bad for

[Izzy]

Tyler Herro, it's only a matter of time. You got to think, this happened in video. There is video. We just haven't seen it yet. But this happened in a Las Vegas hotel ballroom. There's video.

[Dan Le Batard]

There has to be video. In fact, there's nowhere where there are more cameras than in a Las Vegas hotel.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, in terms. If you want to talk about the stupidity of this, doing it in a Las Vegas hotel is at the top

[Dan Le Batard]

of the list on dumb things, given how many cameras there are.

[Mike Ryan]

And I wonder how much the conversation

[Dan Le Batard]

of this is going to change if

[Mike Ryan]

you see Tyler Herro crumble the way we saw Jordan Pool crumble. Jordan Poole still hasn't recovered from that

[Dan Le Batard]

punch, by the way.

[Mike Ryan]

This kind of public shaming. Tyler heroes in his shower this morning.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I should have done this, and

[Mike Ryan]

I could have done that, and I would have said this. And what if I had done that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Because all he's getting now is really, you're just the submissive who gets hit and then. And talks shit and private, and you don't do anything.

[Jeremy Tache]

I mean, look, it's not just about Tyler Herro and Jordan Poole. We heard Draymond. He's having a hard time dealing with it as well. He's very hurt.

[Izzy]

I think Izzy made the point on the Draymond front that Draymond's kind of grasping at straws here, looking at the Miami Heat to kind of legitimize his bullshit, which is a bit different. And my argument is, yeah, it's different, but it's not that different.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, it's different because it's not happening in a closed practice among just your inner circle. That is then le to the public. This is something that is happening with a former teammate. And it. We don't.

[Mike Ryan]

We still don't know what Jordan Poole.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, Pablo Torre found out, but

[Mike Ryan]

we have not heard from the participants

[Dan Le Batard]

what Jordan Poole did. And what he did, according to Pablo Tory finds out, is he talked money, and that's what fights are about in this sport, and it's what this one is about.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, we're gonna make it about other stuff. But Bam got his extension and the other two guys didn't.

That's 100% what happened. Like, in the end here. Tyler, this year is playing on an expiring contract. He always thought he was going to get extended. Ultimately, it was his availability, not necessarily his production.

[Jeremy Tache]

By the way, three games this year.

Right, Right. I just.

[Mike Ryan]

What's making me laugh is, like, we're all talking about Tyler Herro like he's a child when he's a 65 NBA player. And I just can't believe you guys are turning me, me, Jeremy, Tashay, into the talk shit, get hit guy. How am I that person in this conversation?

[Jeremy Tache]

Can we play the game? What would Bam have to do for Jeremy to criticize him?

[Mike Ryan]

Ooh, if the punch was like, my mom, my dad.

[Jeremy Tache]

What if Bam spit in your face?

Bless you.

[Mike Ryan]

Was he joking? Was it just playful?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think he says to his mom, mom, talk shit, get hit. Yeah, I think is Mom.

[Jeremy Tache]

What'd you say?

[Mike Ryan]

Tina, what did you say to Bam

[Dan Le Batard]

last week, incidentally, I mentioned, and then never got back to it, that ESPN.com had done a top 10 list of best edge rushers. They have now crashed.

[Jeremy Tache]

Chris.

[Dan Le Batard]

They have now done a top 10 list of best tackles in professional football. And when I was saying over the course of the last few months that the Dolphins don't have any players that anyone wants to trade for or any players that anyone in the audience cares about, you see my guy?

[Zaslow]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, you kept mentioning Patrick Paul and. What?

[Jeremy Tache]

Paul?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you just call him Paul because you think that's his first name, his last name, that he just play as Paul, like the Brazilian soccer player. But so I'm reading the list of top tackles, where was he at? Well, Patrick Paul, I'm ashamed to say, was not in the top 10 honorable mention, was also not in the five honorable mentions, and unfortunately was also not

[Mike Ryan]

in seven others who were receiving votes.

[Jeremy Tache]

The bullshit list.

[Izzy]

Tony, you know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks?

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[Mike Ryan]

It's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy.

[Izzy]

Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Cuervo.

[Jeremy Tache]

Walk in like this.

[Izzy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people.

[Jeremy Tache]

It does.

[Izzy]

You usually take the credit for it. But again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering, keep it Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

Keep it Cuervo, baby.