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Nery Signs
Starting today, the world's most popular porn website, pornhub, is blocking users in Florida. They're blaming a new state law that requires stricter age verification for adult content.
Bill Simmons
The company pornhub announcing that it made the decision to ban access in Florida because of the state law requiring people to upload their driver's licen or even use their face for age verification. Giving your ID card every time you want to visit an adult platform is not the most effective solution for protecting our users.
Dan LeBatard
I think they're concerned about them getting.
Bill Simmons
Hacked and then all that private information.
Nery Signs
Getting shared is a real concern.
Bill Simmons
Like many, Phil James stresses that parents should take safety precautions to prevent kids from accessing porn on their phones or tablets. While we are thinking about our friends and family suffering out on the west coast as a result of these just tragic and biblical fires, Florida is suffering here as well.
Nery Signs
Yeah, we're going through a bit of a dry spell.
Bill Simmons
Pornhub has pulled out of the state of Florida. This new law came too soon. Too soon for.
Nery Signs
And it was a hard pullout.
Bill Simmons
It was hard. It was super hard.
Nery Signs
Super hard.
Bill Simmons
And we, we are having a wonderful time here. With comedian Neary Signs. What was his name? Dot com. Go to his website. Watch his free Comedy Special on YouTube. Get tickets. February 23rd. He's a Dania Improv with Britney Brave.
Nery Signs
With Britney Brave, yeah.
Bill Simmons
Who is locked In a closet here. We'll talk about that later with Julie K. Brown. The award winning journalist who exposed the Jeffrey Epstein story will be joining us with the most chilling creepy horror movie like story of the year. Coming out of Miami beach, of course. But speaking of coming out of Miami beach, now here's the thing I will say about pornhub. There is. You can, you can go in the back door.
Nery Signs
Yes.
Bill Simmons
I don't know if you know about this. There is, there is a thing called a vpn. Apparently it stands for voluminous porn. Now, of course, but a VPN conceals.
Nery Signs
It's like the JG Wentworth of. The JG Wentworth of porn is like, I want my porn and I want it now.
Bill Simmons
It conceals your location, so you can. It's kind of a workaround. And by the way, interest or demand for VPNs in Florida have surged 1150 percent because people are googling like mad, like, how do I, you know how to get away? Reach around, if you will. This, this firewall that we have here. And so, Roy, you haven't, you haven't, you haven't contributed one pun. Roy, I know you want to get in on this. No, I'm just saying the bun, it's kind of a. It's a threesome. Let's double team it. Let's.
Nery Signs
We're going to, let's stuff it from our sides.
Bill Simmons
No, Ye. Yeah, we'll come at it from both ends for sure. So what do you think about this? Or so, so, so what happens is that you go to Florida, you log on to porn, you go to pornhub.com, one of the most, the world's most popular porn websites, and there's like a video there of a porn star going like, sorry, is that who she is? We don't.
Nery Signs
Yeah, she's a porn star. Yeah, she's gonna recognize her with clothes on.
Bill Simmons
She's not from that end. So you, you. Basically what they're saying is that every time you, you want to just access pornhub, you have to put on your driver's license, you have to enter or you have to like, you do facial recognition. And they're like, well, people don't want to do that.
Nery Signs
Yeah, I don't want to do that. I wouldn't want to do. I mean, I got to be. No, that's just. First of all, this isn't my first for you in block sites, because when I work on cruise ships a lot, and there are some cruise lines that when you purchase their wi fi package, they will Block certain sites. So I hear that you go to. So I hear your homepages. So. So there are things where you have to, you know, you have to like, oh, this is Tumbl. Still a thing. Okay, let's go check out Tumblr, you know, for some things. But, yeah, I would never in my life, Like, I've never been in a situation where I'm like, yeah, I'll give my license. That's. That's fine. Like, I've never been in that situation where I'm going to give my license for porn. I'm sorry. That's not a thing. Just to see stepmoms and stepdaughters. No, I'm all right. Did you know. Did you know that, by the way?
Bill Simmons
What, though?
Nery Signs
Okay, so I stopped.
Bill Simmons
Whatever you're about to say. I know nothing about it. I've never heard anything about it. I've never seen any of it.
Nery Signs
All right, so there was a true story. So I. For some reason, it wasn't. It wasn't a conscious decision, but for some reason, I went a few years without ever watching porn. I don't know why it wasn't a conscious decision. It just happened that way.
Bill Simmons
I went join the preschool.
Nery Signs
Yeah. At the. Six years old. No, no, I'm talking about, like, I Talking about, like, in the, in the Internet age. I'm talking about in the Internet era. Right.
Bill Simmons
6 to 11.
Nery Signs
Yeah, yeah. From 6 to 11. I was like, no more. So, no, I. And then I started watching it again, and I don't know why I started watching it again. And then the first time I went to a site, it said, suggestions for you. And I am a sucker for the algorithm. Like, whether it's Facebook, whether it's Instagram, Amazon, if they go, hey, we think you'd like this. I'm like, oh, I didn't know.
Bill Simmons
I wanted to paraphrase Gloria Estefan, the algorithm is going to get you.
Nery Signs
It's so good. Like, it always. It's always like, oh, I didn't know that I needed a wallet, slash, knife, flashlight. But yes, this sounds amazing. So I. And then I clicked on the for you whatever version of it. And all it was was stepdaughters and stepmothers and stepbrothers and stepsisters. And then I got extremely worried because I was like, what did I Google to make this machine think that I'd be into this? Because this is super creepy, right? Like, now it's normal, because I've seen thousands of hours or. The first time. The first hour. The first time was I mean, by.
Bill Simmons
The way, it's not just what you're Googling. Your devices are listening.
Nery Signs
But you could get 20 bucks for that. You get 20 bucks for that.
Bill Simmons
This next.
Nery Signs
That's now the settlement.
Bill Simmons
This. That's the settlement.
Nery Signs
That's the settlement.
Bill Simmons
And we'll keep doing it.
Nery Signs
No, it's. Apple's paying, like $96 million, whatever it is, huge amount. And then per.
Bill Simmons
It's like a traffic ticket.
Nery Signs
Yeah, per you. Per user. It comes up to up to $20.
Bill Simmons
So, by the way, nobody, I think, would disagree that kids should not have access to pornography. Obviously, you have to limit this access. The question is how to go about doing that. And pornhub has a different idea than the state of Florida does. This next story is right out of the Onion, and it comes from our neighbors to the north. It was the height of the crack cocaine epidemic for the Broward Sheriff's Office. Open it up more.
Dan LeBatard
And one tactic that made headlines.
Bill Simmons
They decided, we're going to manufacture our own crack and have detention deputies pose as drug dealers. Out on the streets, drugs are being cooked.
Nery Signs
At the courthouse on the seventh floor.
Bill Simmons
The state Supreme Court ruled in 1993 the practice was outrageous and those arrested should have their records cleared.
Dan LeBatard
Now, more than 30 years later, state attorney Harold Pryor announcing there could be thousands still on the hook and the.
Bill Simmons
State has an obligation to fix it.
Nery Signs
Recording in law enforcement, you saying how could a department manufacture their own drugs.
Bill Simmons
And give it to us to be.
Nery Signs
Sold in the street?
Bill Simmons
Funny enough, it didn't put a dent in the crack problem. Only in the Banana republic, baby. Only in Miami. So let's get this clear. So in the early 90s, because they stopped this in 93 in the courthouse in Broward county on the seventh floor, the Broward Sheriff's office was making their own crack cocaine to go out on the street to sell it and then arrest the people that were buying it.
Nery Signs
Is that from the seventh floor of the courthouse? Is that what they made it, the.
Bill Simmons
Seventh floor crew over there?
Nery Signs
So when they make it. Because, you know, were they all naked with the women all naked that were cutting it up? And they were like, in a nasty city.
Bill Simmons
American gangster. Yeah, yeah.
Nery Signs
Why are they naked? Because. So they won't steal anything and then. But they're all naked except for their sheriff's badge.
Bill Simmons
The bailiff. The bailiff as well, at the door. So let's be clear, this is a crazy era, because in 1989, the show cops first came on the air and guest, guess where the very first Season the very first episode was Florida Broward county with Sheriff Nick Navarro. For those Familiar with their 2 Live Crew history, they had a song called Martinez which was of you to not only the governor of Florida, but one of the lyrics, one of the verses was Navarro, Navarro baby. He was the. The sheriff in Broward who was like a looney tune fascist. He was arresting record store owners for selling two Live Crew albums but bringing cameras with him to do it. So basically what they were doing was. This is almost like. I don't even know what it is. It's like the Truman Show. It's like, it's like Running Man. It's like, we need something more exciting this season. We're going to make our own crack and invent crime where there is none for the TV cameras. That's what was happening in the early 90s in Broward.
Nery Signs
So he's the creation of real reality TV.
Bill Simmons
Yes, essentially. But the worst of reality TV, there's no good reality like, but, but turning, turning drug addicted people, turning crackheads into entertainment. And not only turning them into entertainment, making crack and selling it to them and then criminalizing. Okay, Roy, I'm making crack in the, in the kitchen. Would you like to buy some and then get arrested for it? But I'm not like, what are you talking about? It's crazy. And it turns out that over 30 years later, after the Florida Supreme Court said, this is crazy, you can't do this. You have to clear all these people's records. Their records still were not clear. Some people died already with this shit on their record as convicted felons working against them. Every time they had to go to that job and check that box because of this bullshit. By the way, a lot of these people are sick people.
Nery Signs
Like, yeah, they need help.
Bill Simmons
Addicts, they need help. But instead, Broward County Sheriff's Office was inventing crime bonkers making.
Nery Signs
This is some Ronald Reagan, Warren drugs type situation here.
Bill Simmons
But like the TV element, you cannot like dismiss like that is an extra level of like twisted. And. And the same thing happened down here, by the way, when the First 48 started filming with Miami Homicide, they started like framing people for crimes because they wanted to solve the shit in the first 40, 800%. They were, they were violating people's constitutional rights in super shady interrogations to try to elicit confessions from innocent people. They were making false arrests. It was very well documented. The Miami New Times did a sensational expose on this because you're playing it up for the cameras. That's literally what's Happening.
Nery Signs
I'm anybody. Some people will do anything for TV credit.
Bill Simmons
Man, look at us. I mean, on December 13th, a peer reviewed study by the University of Miami's Rosensteel school found that 35 buildings from.
Dan LeBatard
Here in Miami beach all the way.
Bill Simmons
To Sunny Isles beach, we're experiencing subsidence.
Dan LeBatard
That means the ground that it's on is sinking. The goal of the report was to see how stable Florida's ground on the coastline is and how high rises like Fianna House, Porsche Design Tower or the Surf club tower and 32 others react over time and introduce the public to the satellite technology they use to gather their results. It found from 2016 to 2023, the sinking ranged from 2 to 8 centimeters. The most significant was in buildings in Sunny Isles.
Bill Simmons
So Sunny Isles beach is like three miles north of the Champlain Tower south. You know, the building that tragically collapsed and killed 98 people in Sunny Isles several years ago. And this study from the University of Miami, peer reviewed, published in a scientific journal, looked at some of these buildings and said this so called subsidence, which is a common phenomenon, buildings are apparently supposed to kind of settle in after they're built. But. But the Leaning tower of Porsche, I mean what are we. You're talking about like buildings where condos sell for nine figures or 10, like, or like eight figures. You're talking about multimillion dollar. You've been talking about in excess of like, you're about billions of dollars in luxury real estate up and down the coast of Miami Dade county that are sinking, but that.
Nery Signs
Hold on, so in how much time, like is it 8cm or 3cm?
Bill Simmons
So between 2016 and 2023, they use like satellite technology, bunch of technology, as much as three inches. And the experts, the scientists have said that's unexpected. It seems to be happening deeper and faster than they would want.
Nery Signs
I'm trying really hard not to do these jokes. So here's really hard. You're saying three inches harder and faster. And I'm like, harder.
Bill Simmons
Well, but enough about pornhub. Yeah, but this is pun hub. But these are like, oh, I don't have your cart. Come on. Yeah, that was about right. So this is obviously alarming, not only because the value of this real estate, but some of these are kind of like, they're not old buildings, like some of their different ages. But. And here's the thing to keep in mind. Like in Miami beach, especially Barrier island, you only have water coming from the front, the back, the left, the right, above and below. Like, and what's Also happening is particularly in Sunny Isles. Why this is so bad is that at the turn of the century, Sunny Isles became the condo canyon capital of the world. It is one of the most dense, densely populated high rise condo enclaves in the entire world. And what happens when you do that on the porous limestone and reclaimed wetlands of a barrier island like Miami beach and Sunny Isles and Bal harbor and Surfside? You know what happens? You're firing pilings into the ground. You're creating seismic events in the construction of these buildings. And what happens? You're shaking the ground. One of the focal points of the investigation into the Champlain Tower south collapse in Surfside. I said Sunny Isles earlier. It was in Surfside. Surfside is that there was a brand new giant development building being condo being built right next door that was shifting the ground because like these are if you've ever seen construction of a high rise. These are like I said, these are like earthquakes. They're seismic events into the earth that's already unstable as it is and now you're rocking the foundations. You've seen these condos, like in Sunny Isles, for example, they're like 12ft away from. I'm exaggerating, but like they're right on top of each other, all these buildings. So you're not impacting just the ground under the new building. You're impacting the earth around all these other buildings. Yeah, go ahead, do the jokes.
Nery Signs
No, I was going to say this is the biggest rich people problems I've ever seen. Yeah. You know when you know where this is not happening? Sweetwater. You know what I'm saying? This is not. Yeah, this isn't happening in Cooper City.
Bill Simmons
It will be happening in Alapata soon enough. They're going to gentrify the out of Allapada pretty soon. But no, you're right. This is like luxury condo kind of problems. But. But in Florida in general, in Miami specifically, particularly the luxury real estate market, we are immune to logic and sanity and reason. So you would think that news like this people would be like, well, maybe I'm not going to spend $3 million cash of flight capital that I'm laundering from Venezuela in one of these buildings. Nobody seems to give a shit. Dude, the prices aren't coming down.
Nery Signs
You see who our president elected? Nobody get like the whole country. Nobody cares about logic. This is. Nobody cares about logic anymore. Logic and reasoning went out the window. And I'm not, I'm not trying to like get on a soapbox here, but it's like this whole like Just the whole felon as a president, that right there should be enough for people to be like, oh, that would never happen. But it's not only happening, but with fanfare. It's crazy. It's absurd. They're coming all over the place.
Bill Simmons
But enough about pornhub.
Nery Signs
Pornhub. Is it only pornhub?
Bill Simmons
That's a real.
Nery Signs
Is it only pornhub?
Bill Simmons
Interestingly, pornhub says that in their defense, they say that they have a lot of sort of layers, wiggle room. They say they have a lot of prophylactic measures in place and that if you can't go to a site as, quote, legit and quote, as pornhub, people are gonna go to other sites where they are gonna have workarounds and sort of like, more, I guess, like black market sites that are a little bit sketchier than pornhub. That's. That's their defense. This is such a bad segue into the Julie Brown segment. This is like, we can't. This is such a bad segue.
Nery Signs
Can I ask you a question? Real talk. Can I ask you a question? You, as a documentary filmmaker, right? And as a. And I'm not. This is not just me blowing smoke up your ass as, like, a premiere. Like, enough about pornhub. No, as a premiere, as a.
Bill Simmons
If you're not watching at home. Nary did that himself. Yeah, he did his own cart.
Nery Signs
As a premier, top shelf documentary filmmaker. Is there part of you that when you hear some crazy, absurd story, specifically in Florida? Because that's. That's your. Your bag is in Florida. Is there a part of you that goes, oh, yeah, like, do you do that whole thing, like, rub your hands like, yes, a new film, another Emmy. Like, do you do this thing where, like, you get excited over that? Because the worst. Like, I have a friend who's a. Who's a journalist for a local news station, and I've known her since she was in high school. And whenever she posts on social media, she posts these horrific stories of crimes that are awful. But I have to, like, because she's my friend and I don't. I feel really bad about liking these stories. Like, oh, there's three people murdered. And I'm like, like, and I just feel guilty, but I have to do it to support her. And, like, so do you, as a filmmaker go, yes, I'm going to make a film out of this?
Bill Simmons
Well, I'll say this. I'll say, you know, this is more in, like, the reality show world than nonfiction filmmaking that we do. But, like, certainly in reality shows, like the worst kept secret is like the worst day your subject is having, the better day you producer are having. But like a lot of those are sort of scripted and make believe anyway. Certainly in our world, I'm reminded of, of my friend Jim Defeati, outstanding journalist and at CBS Miami now who says, listen, Bill, when it comes to elections, whoever wins, we win because we either get better government or we get better stories.
Nery Signs
Sure.
Bill Simmons
So there is something to be said for the almost Schaden Freud kind of nature that you're talking about. But what I will say in terms of getting excited, really get excited about it, I go, God, tragedy. Like, is this a story worth worth telling? And is it a uniquely kind of only in the Banana republic, baby, only in Miami, you know, kind of kind of a story. But I will say this like, you know, one of the things, you know, now that pornhub is gone, one of the things that, that gets me off are these bright line crash videos. That's what I, that's what I sit at home. That's what I sit at home watching.
Nery Signs
He was able to fit it in.
Bill Simmons
Fit it in. But enough about pornhub, by the way. We still haven't solved the problem of segue into the human.
Nery Signs
I was helping, I was, I was helping you with the whole like, you know, the worst the crime, the better the documentary. And then we're gonna segue into that. But I was, you know, segue right into it.
Bill Simmons
Hard and fast.
Nery Signs
Hard and fast. You know, you can't go slow, you can't loosen it up.
Bill Simmons
You know, you got Happy New Year. By the way, is it too late to say Happy New Year?
Nery Signs
I, I still say Happy New Anus. That's what I'm. That's my whole thing. You've been doing that all week. All week, baby.
Bill Simmons
All week. Happy. I tell people there's an end. There's an N in that.
Nery Signs
If I don't. Listen, if I don't see you for the, if the first time I see you this year is in j. In July, I'm saying Happy New Year. I don't care, man.
Bill Simmons
Okay, well, that's an interesting question. So what is the. Well, first of all, I would say certainly this week it's not too late because the first day of the year was actually January 6th, was this Monday. So like, certainly if I saw you this week, I'm going to say happy New Year. But there's something happy anniversary or happy, happy, happy anus. Is there something to be said for the first time you see an old friend in January.
Nery Signs
Yeah.
Bill Simmons
You can say, what is. What is the cutoff?
Nery Signs
I don't think there's a cutoff. If I don't see you, I can.
Bill Simmons
Say happy New Year, but not a stranger. Like, if you got picked up by Uber driver and Uber driver, it's January 15th is like, happy New Year. You'd be like, this guy's been in a stupor for like two weeks. He's been unconscious and just woke up and picked me up.
Nery Signs
No, my Uber driver just gives me medical advice because he's a doctor somewhere. So, no, I don't. Other than that, I'm not saying happy.
Bill Simmons
So what is the cutoff? It's like, martin, when can I. When can I see you for the first time this year if we're friends?
Nery Signs
I'm telling you, anytime this year. Anytime. If it's a July, July.
Bill Simmons
Crazy, though.
Nery Signs
I don't know why.
Bill Simmons
Maybe February 1st in a leap year.
Nery Signs
Or Happy New Year. I'm saying it all time. I'm saying it just because I know it bothers some people. So you're saying just some people are like, dude, it's January 24th. I don't give a flying rat.
Bill Simmons
What about Martin Luther King Day? Is that a good, like the first.
Nery Signs
Major federal holiday day, right? What is that?
Bill Simmons
Is that Martin luther.
Nery Signs
That'd be Dr. King.
Bill Simmons
Yeah. And this will, this year will be the last, the last ever Dr. Martin Luther King Day. We can say that now. That's a thing.
Nery Signs
That's a segue to.
Bill Simmons
Is that our Roy?
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Nery Signs
How are you gonna get a Roy into murder and kidnapping and underage? You know, like, that's brutal. That's practice. Practice.
Bill Simmons
I like Roy's like, have you listened to this show? I mean, are you.
Nery Signs
No, I was listening.
Bill Simmons
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Nery Signs
Met them on Tinder.
Bill Simmons
You met them on Tinder? How old are they?
Nery Signs
Huh?
Bill Simmons
How old are they?
Nery Signs
18.
Bill Simmons
They showed me their IDs.
Nery Signs
Yeah, okay. What's their name? And I have a but introduce you to them.
Bill Simmons
Can you bring them over here stuff?
Nery Signs
I don't know where they could have gone. Unless they're hiding in the closet or something. I don't know what they be doing there.
Bill Simmons
Yeah, they are.
Nery Signs
They in here? Yeah. Why are you hiding?
Bill Simmons
All right, what's your name? Franchesco.
Nery Signs
Tell guys, tell these guys the truth. Because your guys are in trouble. And to me, fair go hang out.
Bill Simmons
With my, my, my over here.
Nery Signs
Huh?
Bill Simmons
You need to step out. You too, girl.
Nery Signs
I.
Bill Simmons
Tell them the truth.
Nery Signs
Tell them the story you told me. Because that's all I know. And don't get me in trouble for any of your cuz. All I try to do is help you.
Bill Simmons
That was the voice of Dr. Jeffrey Camlet, a Miami beach doctor, studied at the medical school in Guadalajara, by the way. Kind of became one of these sort of concierge doctors that takes cash from high net worth or high profile or powerful people. This is kind of like our documentary Screwball about Tony Bosch and the Biogenesis steroid scandal. With a rod. Like he's this weird kind of character in Miami Beach. Got a little bit of a criminal record as a. Or was a recovering heroin addict apparently. And what you heard there was body cam footage from Miami beach police officers in April of 2022 who came looking for a runaway 16 and 17 year old girl. Two girls from I think Broward whose parents were looking for them. They located them by their cell phones and the police found them, which you just heard, in the closet of this guy's then 67 year old man's Miami beach cunt. It is one of the most chilling, creepy stories I've heard come out of Miami in quite some time, which is a real achievement. And of course it was unearthed by none other than Julie K. Brown, the investigative journalist from the Miami Herald, famous for outing the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking story and ensuring after a sweetheart 2008 plea deal that he made, that he was ultimately brought to justice. Julie is joining us now. Julie, this story is crazy for all the wrong reasons, but not the least of which is that this feels like a similar case of injustice. Because one of those two girls on that video that we saw and heard was later found dead in a canal. And nobody really knows how she was killed. And more importantly, all of the charges against this guy have been dropped. Basically all the state charges anyway. And nobody appears to be investigating the murder of this alleged sex trafficking victim, a minor girl. What the hell is going on here, Julie?
Dan LeBatard
Well, that's exactly why we decided to look at the case. I thought the same thing. How does this happen? She is a girl who is, you know, accused this man of tying her up in his apartment, having sex with her, giving her drugs, knowing that she was, you know, a potential drug addict. 17 years old, run away, met her on Tinder, flashed all this cash. He has enough guns in his apartment. He had high powered machine guns in there. He had so much drugs. And here he is, a so called addiction doctor meeting young girls on Tinder, allegedly. And allegedly giving them drugs and then tying this girl up and having sex with her Somehow when they, the Miami beach police found her and the other girl, a 16 year old girl in his apartment, they end up not questioning him at all but handcuffing the two girls and taking them to the police station.
Bill Simmons
Yeah. A 16 and 17 year old girl.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. They didn't, they barely asked him any questions, you know, how'd you meet him? They said they had IDs. They said they were 18. Well, the girls didn't have any ID. IDs. Okay.
Nery Signs
He didn't get handcuffed. Nothing?
Dan LeBatard
Nothing. They didn't ask him anything except his name and his email address. Nothing.
Nery Signs
Address. Are they going to email him?
Bill Simmons
And those two teenage girls who mind you, their parents were the ones who called for help. They left his apartment in handcuffs and they just said, good night sir, thanks so much for your help. By the way. An apartment full of like six figures in cash, a small arsenal of guns. There's a photo at the Miami Herald of that. It's just mind boggling. And they're like, very good sir. You seem rich and white. Have a good night.
Nery Signs
That is the most bonkers like I've lived in Miami my entire life. And even this like that to me, the fact that they got his email address, like we're gonna email you the receipt of these girls that we arrested. We're just gonna email, like what's the point of the email? I don't understand. This is so crazy to me.
Bill Simmons
And this guy has a wild as a wild criminal record record dating back decades. So not exactly unknown to authorities.
Dan LeBatard
That's really curious because what we found out was that he actually on paper didn't have a criminal record. But we know he was in the Miami Dade Jail at least three times before. So we weren't able to. To this day the only reason why we know he has one arrest for cocaine is because the body cam footage shows when he was arrested. The detectives detective is asked telling him that he's taking him to jail. And Kamala says, well, I've never been to jail before, I don't know what to do. And the detective says, oh, come on, Jeffrey, don't you remember that cocaine arrest back in the day? That's the only way we know he has arrested somehow cleansed his criminal record.
Bill Simmons
But you have all these. These mug shots of him. So. But you're saying. So he's got mug shots, but no criminal, no record of these arrests.
Nery Signs
Wait, did he give different email addresses every time he got arrested? And that's. We can't connect it to. Because there's. You know how you do a Yahoo and then you do a different email address every time.
Bill Simmons
I don't know that that's how they. They book you into. Into.
Nery Signs
I didn't know. I didn't know that you could get away with. This is so scary.
Bill Simmons
But. But somehow this all gets darker. So you've got this guy who's this weird character who has appeared at events where they talk about him being a professor at University of Miami, never a professor at University of Miami, talking about him getting degrees and working as a doctor at other institutions. That never happened. His degree is from Guadalajara. That's where his medical degree is from. You had this expungement or disappearance of his past criminal record or at least arrest record. And now you have a dead girl floating in a canal in Little River. Julie, what happened here and why? And where is the state attorney on this? Where is the police department on this? This is. Could be a homicide investigation. And all they've done, it seems, is just drop the charges against this guy because was the witness against him, this teenage girl who may have been a minor who was being sex trafficked and possibly a drug addict, who was appears to be anyway taken advantage of, possibly by a man who claims to be an addictionologist, who claims to help wean people off of drugs, but was now being accused of exploiting minors on drugs. What is happening with this death invest, this mysterious death investigation?
Dan LeBatard
Well, we really don't know. What we do know is that they haven't questioned her mother. You know, they haven't questioned her father. They haven't questioned the other girl that was her friend. We really don't know of anybody that they've questioned in this case. They have sort of just, you know, wiped their hands of it and said, well, the death has been ruled undetermined. And so they can't figure out that. Which means she didn't drown. And let's just say she did take an overdose. She didn't put herself in the river. Okay.
Bill Simmons
Right. And I'm sorry, I think it was found that there was no water in her system. Meaning, like, you know, medically, she did not drown.
Nery Signs
Right.
Bill Simmons
So it's not like she OD'd and then fell into the water and then suffocated or drowned to death. We have someone who was clearly, according to the medical records, dead before she hit the water. Water. And nobody is investigating this Catherine Fernandez Rundle, who is masqueraded as the hero of sex trafficking victims and exploited minors. And like, where the hell is she on this? Because her office has a really spotty at best record about defending, I should say, her office themselves exploiting women who may be sex trafficking victims by basically claiming that, well, they can't be trusted or believed or they're not credible because they might be sex trafficking victims. Jesus.
Dan LeBatard
Well, that's why I started getting interested in this case, because I knew of another case that I had sort of guided some reporters on, which was this gymnastics coach in Key Biscayne earlier last year, who had been accused of inappropriately touching some of his students, by the way, a four year old and a seven year old.
Nery Signs
Jesus.
Dan LeBatard
And. And that was taken to Kathleen Fernandez Rundle's so called human trafficking task force. And they allegedly looked at it and said, you know, there's nothing here. Gave it back to Key Biscayne police. And then we started investigating and found out, wait a minute, there's other girls that had come forward over the years and they didn't do anything with him either. So here's this prosecutor who, who boasts about she's doing all this to help sex trafficking victims, when in fact we started seeing cases where they weren't doing anything. And this one especially stood out because the girl, after they arrested Kamala, three months later, the girl was found floating in the river. So, you know, whether that's a coincidence or not, it, you know, so we don't know for sure it's murder, but it's certainly suspicious enough. I had a forensic pathologist look at the autopsy, Michael Bodden, and he said it's absolutely should be thoroughly investigated.
Bill Simmons
And to be clear, it really was her death that ended the state prosecution for sex trafficking or underage prostitute, whatever, whatever. The other charges were wound up, dropped conveniently as a result of this woman's death, because she was in fact, not only an alleged victim or accuser, but a witness against this Kamala.
Dan LeBatard
Right, right. And she was going to testify her mother was trying to dissuade her because her mother feared, because the girl had told the police that Kamala said at one point, you got to get rid of any pimps that are trying to pimp you out. She wanted to stay with him. And he said, you can come stay with me, but you got to get Rid of any guys that are trying to pimp you out. And if you can't get rid of them, I'll have some guys take care of them. And he had a lot of guns. I mean really a lot of weapons. So there was enough to suspect that perhaps her death wasn't, you know, an accident.
Bill Simmons
In order to do your reporting, you rely, especially in the state of Florida on the so called sunshine laws, which are supposed to be government out in the sunshine, out in the open, very, very transparent public record laws we have here, which have through the years, every legislative session it seems in Tallahassee that get more, more and more restrictive. But you had to go to the Miami Beach Police Department, to the Miami Dade Medical Examiner's office, to the state attorneys, to Miami Dade Corrections, to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, to the Florida Department of Health. And it seems to me like at every turn your effort to just have our own government be transparent, you were like thwarted and you had to get lawyers involved. What did it take to report this and is this? Listen, I often call things corruption, but sometimes it's just good old fashioned incompetence. I'm not really sure what this is. Is this incompet on the part of our government or is it a cover up?
Dan LeBatard
Well, it's hard to know. I do think in some cases it's a cover up of incompetence. You know, the police mishandled it. Obviously at first Miami beach police were very cooperative in giving us everything we wanted. But then when they found out what we were doing, all of a sudden we weren't getting any documents. So you know, they said, oh well, you're not going to get anything more because we've opened an internal affair, his investigation. Once they open an investigation, you can't get any records. So you know, just as simple as getting his medical credentials. You would think in, in any place in America you would be able to confirm that a doctor has his degree and where he got his degree from. Even the Department of Health, the Florida Department of Health dragged their feet forever on giving his, us his medical credentials. We had to get our lawyer. Finally, after months went by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, I do not know what happened with that. I've been told by some of our reporters that they have records requests in for over a year that have not been filled there. I think they are completely shut down and not giving any public records. So it's just insane because you know, the press is really, you know, know we are actually doing this for residents, for citizens, for taxpayers. We're doing a job that you guys don't have the time or the money to do. So we're trying to get information. And so they're not giving us information, but that means they're not giving you information. You know, residents, citizens, people who pay taxes. And it's just getting worse and worse I think in Florida.
Bill Simmons
So where is this Jeffrey Camlet now? What is the state of his various cases and like what is going on with the investigation or any other investigations?
Nery Signs
Is he still practicing?
Dan LeBatard
No.
Bill Simmons
Why, why? Are you looking for a new doctor?
Nery Signs
No.
Bill Simmons
You're looking for some codone or some ketamine or what do you need?
Nery Signs
Does he have Ozempic? What's going on?
Dan LeBatard
Right.
Nery Signs
Every fat guy's trying to look for Ozempic on the black market.
Dan LeBatard
Right?
Bill Simmons
Right.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Bill Simmons
So where is this guy, Julie?
Dan LeBatard
Well, he's, you know, he's enjoying his life. He's basically retired. He has a daughter in Colorado. He spends a lot of time in Colorado.
Bill Simmons
Lovely.
Dan LeBatard
You know, so he, he's out and about.
Bill Simmons
Is the bottom line free man?
Dan LeBatard
He is, but he is facing narcotics, federal narcotics trafficking charges from all the drugs that they found in his apartment. But that case doesn't look like, like it's going to last because they use the same search warrant that they used in this sex trafficking case. And that was among the many problems with Fernandez Rundle's case. This, the search warrant that they used was faulty. And so the feds are using that same search warrant to make narcotics charges stick. And it looks like it's. They're not going to stick.
Bill Simmons
You understand the facts here, Neri. Like this guy, the 60s then 67 year old man at 22 was found with a 16 and 17 year old girls, runaways whose parents were looking for them in the closet of his Miami beach apartment. One of the girls said this guy handcuffed my arms and legs, the bed and had sex with me repeatedly. This is a minor.
Nery Signs
Jesus.
Bill Simmons
And now he's just chilling like a villain out there in the world and.
Nery Signs
That'S like a villain.
Bill Simmons
Like literally bro, like. And closing thoughts here. Julie, you had mentioned of course the Key Biscayne gymnastics coach story, which again these incidents dated back over a decade. Once again, justice delayed is justice denied. The case of Hialeah, former Hialeah police officer, now a federal convicted felon, Jesus Medical junior. He also allegedly prayed or was convicted of preying on runaway girls, girls who are on back page. Girls who might have been addicted to drugs. Girls who Kathy Rundle's own assist State Attorney Johnny Hardiman identified as possible sex trafficking victims. But yet in the very same closeout memo clearing this police officer, an alleged serial sex predator said, these women can't be believed because they may be sex trafficking victims and prostitutes, basically saying, like, well, they can't be raped because they might be working as prostitutes, or they can't be believed because they might be sex trafficking victims. What is going on in Katherine Fernandez Rundle's office? She has been the top cop for over 30 years, since Janet Reno left for the Clinton, Clinton administration. Okay, in what, 92, 93. And what is going on in that office? And I mean, if you were a victim of sex trafficking, if you were a victim of statutory rape, would you recommend young women even come forward in Miami Dade County?
Dan LeBatard
Well, I think that, you know, we looked at her statistics too, and she really only prosecutes, or I should say it the opposite way, about 3/4 of the cases that she handles gets either abandoned, dropped or non prosecuted. So she only actually takes to trial a quarter of the cases that she handles. And of the quarter that she handles, only half of that number are prosecuted. Her numbers aren't good, and they're getting worse every year. I mean, one problem, of course, is that she has a high turnover. She pays, pays. She doesn't pay well. But I think a bigger problem, you know, being a journalist, we don't make a whole lot of money. But I'm driven. I'm driven by, you know, the passion. And I'm sure a lot of the young prosecutors that go into our office are driven by the passion to expose people, to bring justice to, you know, those kinds of things. Especially when you're a young prosecutor and when you keep hitting a wall and they don't want to, they want your client to take a, you know, they want a plea bargain. You know, they don't want to take cases to trial. You don't feel like you're doing anything. You're not bringing justice to victims. What you're doing is you're manipulating the criminal justice system. And that's what they're doing in that office. And I think that's why a lot of people are leaving.
Bill Simmons
Let me make this clear. That means that over 70% of arrests in Miami Dade county, county never move forward, never get processed, meaning all the, and this isn't just a, to be fair, a state attorney's office problem. This is a police department problem. Because they're arresting people on probably and possibly insufficient evidence. They're either defective a forms, arrest forms. So sometimes the prosecutors can't move ahead with cases even if they want to, because they're not going to get anywhere because the arrest was not sufficiently processed. And so what you had, though, is all these police officers off the street, not protecting and serving the community, but running down to TGK or like, you know, sitting with somebody in the back of their car, transporting them, like, so again, all of these people are getting arrested. They're getting fingerprinting, they're getting a picture taken, they're getting strip searched. They're going to jail. They're coming out of jail. They might have to go to court, they might not. But none of those cases are getting prosecuted. In certain jurisdictions in Dade county, it's over 80 or 90% of felony arrests are not getting prosecuted by the state attorney. So this is a crazy case of not only injustice, justice, but of waste of taxpayer money and resources. And, of course, when you're taking law enforcement off the street, making the community less safe for everybody, police officers included. Julie K. Brown, thank you so much. Keep up the great work. Fine. This doctor Feel Good story is an incredible piece of journalism, and there's a lot of video and artwork. Go to miamiherald.com Support local journalism and investigative journalism. Julie K. Brown, thank you.
Nery Signs
So glad you brought in the comedian for this talk story. Yeah, it's like, hey, hey, funny guy. Make this funny. Like, what the.
Bill Simmons
Well, ner. You also were found with teenage runaway girls in your closet, weren't you? Tied up in your. Let's. Let's talk to.
Nery Signs
This is the weirdest thing ever. Like, hey, you're a comedian. I love your comedy. Come in. You've done this show before.
Bill Simmons
The second. This is the second half of the show, by the way. When I booked her, I forgot you were going to be on the show, to be fair.
Nery Signs
All right, I'm fine with it. I'm just. I'm just busting balls. I know the show. I know the show.
Bill Simmons
I think. Listen, I said. I said, who can make sex trafficking funny?
Nery Signs
Yeah.
Bill Simmons
And it was me and Britney Brave. Britney, yes. Yes. No, she's locked in the closet right now, actually. Oh, no.
Nery Signs
I thought she's gonna be with me in Dania.
Bill Simmons
I thought she was 15. Oh, is she?
Nery Signs
Yeah, she is.
Bill Simmons
She's little. She's very little.
Nery Signs
Tiny. She's very little. She used to be a dancer.
Bill Simmons
Yeah. I hang. I hang out with her. So I feel tall.
Nery Signs
Do you feel that was gonna say.
Bill Simmons
Yeah. I hang out with Brittany Brave and David Sampson to feel tall.
Nery Signs
They talk about this on the main show a lot. But it's deceptively how tall everybody on the main show is. Like, you don't realize as a. As a fan of the show, you watching the show. You don't realize. Not you.
Bill Simmons
Mostly sitting down.
Nery Signs
No, not you, cuz everybody's sitting down, but you don't really realize how tall everybody is. I. I didn't. I had no idea until I would come here. I had no. I just met Jeremy and I saw Jeremy. God damn, he's tall. Like, I didn't realize he was tall. Like, oh, all right.
Bill Simmons
I get in this chair and I lift it all the. I lift the seat all the way up.
Nery Signs
And then Dan gets in here and he's like.
Bill Simmons
He just goes. Like, he just goes. There we go. There we go. This is Dan's. This is Dan's seat. And. And this is. This is my booster chair. I put. I put two phone books on the. On the chair.
Nery Signs
Phone books. Nothing on that. Nothing on that. You're going to date yourself. You just dated yourself with phone books, bro.
Bill Simmons
Phone books.
Nery Signs
That's not a thing anymore. Bell south, they don't have a thing anymore.
Bill Simmons
Ma Bell. You got a Southern Bell, right?
Nery Signs
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to put multiple cell phones on.
Bill Simmons
Yeah, Southern Bell, which just sounds like some antebellum racist.
Nery Signs
Actually, Southern Bell sounds like a great, like, Southern chicken place. Doesn't that sound like a. Like, hey, we're going to Southern Bell? Like, oh, that's good combo.
Bill Simmons
Have you ever had the slaw there? The slaw is out of control. And the biscuits. Holy Roy.
Nery Signs
Some gravy in the biscuits could be worked. Biscuits need work.
Bill Simmons
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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Episode #BecauseMiami: New Year, Same Shit
Release Date: January 10, 2025
I. Introduction
In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan LeBatard, Bill Simmons, and Nery Signs delve into pressing issues affecting Miami and South Florida. From the controversial exit of Pornhub in Florida to historical law enforcement misconduct, structural challenges in Miami's skyline, and an in-depth investigative segment on a troubling sex trafficking case, the episode offers a comprehensive look at the city's multifaceted problems.
II. Pornhub's Exit from Florida and the Impact on Users
The hosts begin by discussing Pornhub's recent decision to block users in Florida, citing stricter state-imposed age verification laws. This move has significant implications for both user privacy and the accessibility of adult content.
Privacy Concerns and VPN Usage
Bill Simmons highlights the privacy implications:
"Giving your ID card every time you want to visit an adult platform is not the most effective solution for protecting our users." [01:44]
Nery Signs adds a humorous take on the surge in VPN usage:
"The JG Wentworth of porn is like, I want my porn and I want it now." [03:11]
Economic and Accessibility Impacts
Simmons discusses the economic ripple effects and possible migration to less regulated sites:
"If you can't go to a site as legit as Pornhub, people are gonna go to other sites where they are gonna have workarounds and sort of like black market sites that are a little bit sketchier." [16:37]
III. Historical Misconduct of Broward Sheriff's Office in the Crack Cocaine Era
Transitioning to a historical perspective, the hosts examine the Broward Sheriff's Office's controversial tactics during the crack cocaine epidemic of the early 1990s. They reveal how law enforcement allegedly manufactured crack and posed as drug dealers to entrap users, creating crimes where there were none.
Manufacturing Crime for Law Enforcement Purposes
Bill Simmons narrates the unethical practices:
"We're going to make our own crack and have detention deputies pose as drug dealers. Out on the streets, drugs are being cooked." [07:35]
Nery Signs expresses shock at the manipulation:
"So he's the creation of real reality TV." [09:49]
Long-Term Consequences and Legal Oversight
The discussion highlights the persistence of these wrongful convictions:
"After 30 years, the state Supreme Court ruled that the practice was outrageous and those arrested should have their records cleared." [07:35]
However, many affected individuals still suffer from these actions, showcasing a failure in legal accountability.
IV. Structural Concerns: Miami's High-Rise Subsidence Issues
The conversation shifts to the University of Miami's recent study on subsidence affecting Miami's high-rise buildings. The findings reveal alarming rates of ground sinking, posing significant risks to the structural integrity of luxury condos.
Study Findings and Implications
Dan LeBatard summarizes the study:
"From 2016 to 2023, the sinking ranged from 2 to 8 centimeters. The most significant was in buildings in Sunny Isles." [12:19]
Bill Simmons underscores the financial and safety implications:
"You're talking about buildings where condos sell for nine figures or 10, like, or like eight figures... the sinking ranges are very concerning." [13:08]
Construction Practices and Environmental Impact
The hosts discuss the role of construction methods on porous limestone and reclaimed wetlands:
"You're firing pilings into the ground. You're creating seismic events in the construction of these buildings." [13:27]
This has led to increased seismic activity, exacerbating the subsidence problem and threatening Miami's iconic skyline.
V. Investigative Journalism Spotlight: The Jeffrey Camlet Case and Failures in Florida's Legal System
In an extensive segment, the hosts feature investigative journalist Julie K. Brown, who sheds light on the harrowing case of Dr. Jeffrey Camlet. This case exposes systemic failures in Miami-Dade County's handling of sex trafficking and underage exploitation.
Case Overview and Injustice
Dan LeBatard introduces the case:
"Two girls from Broward were found handcuffed in Camlet's Miami Beach apartment. One of the girls later died under suspicious circumstances." [27:55]
Julie K. Brown elaborates on the investigative hurdles:
"They haven't questioned her mother, the other girl, or thoroughly investigated the death." [32:23]
Systemic Issues in Prosecution and Law Enforcement
Simmons critiques the state attorney's office and law enforcement practices:
"Over 70% of felony arrests in Miami-Dade County never get prosecuted... a huge waste of taxpayer money and resources." [43:29]
Dan LeBatard points out the lack of accountability:
"Miami Beach police were cooperative initially but then stopped providing documents once they realized our intentions." [37:08]
Impact on Victims and Public Trust
The failure to prosecute or properly investigate cases like Camlet's undermines public trust and leaves victims without justice:
"Justice delayed is justice denied... survivors may never feel safe coming forward." [34:12]
VI. Closing Remarks and Reflection
As the episode concludes, the hosts reflect on the persistent challenges facing Miami. From struggles with digital privacy and historical law enforcement abuses to current structural vulnerabilities and glaring flaws in the legal system, Miami faces a myriad of issues that demand attention and reform.
Notable Quotes
Bill Simmons on Pornhub's Privacy Concerns:
"Giving your ID card every time you want to visit an adult platform is not the most effective solution for protecting our users." [01:44]
Nery Signs on VPN Usage Surge:
"The JG Wentworth of porn is like, I want my porn and I want it now." [03:11]
Bill Simmons on Law Enforcement Misconduct:
"In the early 90s... They're making their own crack and inventing crime for the TV cameras." [08:36]
Dan LeBatard on Structural Issues:
"The sinking ranged from 2 to 8 centimeters. The most significant was in buildings in Sunny Isles." [12:19]
Julie K. Brown on Legal Failures:
"They haven't questioned her mother, the other girl, or thoroughly investigated the death." [32:23]
Conclusion
Episode #BecauseMiami: New Year, Same Shit provides listeners with a critical examination of Miami's ongoing struggles and systemic issues. Through engaging discussions and insightful investigative segments, the hosts highlight the need for greater accountability, structural integrity, and protection of vulnerable populations in South Florida.