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Episode: #BecauseMiami: Presidential Library, Hotel & Casino?

Date: October 3, 2025

Overview

Broadcast live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this Because Miami episode, hosted by Billy Corben (with appearances from Mike and contributions from Deborah Acosta), dives into several urgent issues facing South Florida. The central focus is a controversial land deal in downtown Miami that may pave the way for the country’s first-ever combined Trump Presidential Library, hotel, and casino. The episode features a compelling interview with historian Dr. Marvin Dunn, addresses Miami’s dire real estate and affordability crisis, and examines local political scandals and shifts affecting Miami’s diverse immigrant communities.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Trump Presidential Library Land Controversy

(01:34 – 12:18)

Background:

• Miami Dade College (MDC) rapidly transferred 2.63 acres of prime land in downtown Miami to the State of Florida, without public input or transparency, sparking speculation that it is earmarked for a Donald Trump Presidential Library, hotel, condominium tower, and potentially a casino.
• The land in question is deeply significant, adjacent to the historic Freedom Tower—a symbol for Cuban immigrants and Miami’s multicultural legacy.

Significance:

• The property, purchased by MDC in 2004 for $24.8 million and now appraised at over $67 million (with street value rumored upwards of $300 million), was handed over for free.
• The process bypassed usual public scrutiny, with critics calling it a secretive land grab—a sentiment echoed by former MDC president Eduardo Padrón and protest leader Dr. Marvin Dunn.

Memorable Quotes:

• Dr. Marvin Dunn (06:13):
  “This has nothing to do with the library. This is not about a presidential library. This is about a land grab. To get land to build a hotel, condominiums that would contain the Trump library. It is an incredible land grab, the biggest land grab in Miami history, and we simply will not stand for it.”

• Billy Corben (07:52):
  “To be clear, this would be the first in the history of United States presidential libraries...to have a condo, hotel, retail restaurant component.”

• Dr. Marvin Dunn (09:05):
  “To erect a structure next to [the Freedom Tower] that memorializes a president who has been the most suppressive of freedom in the history of this country... Donald Trump has no business having a building next to the Freedom Tower, supposedly representing his stance on freedom.”

Action Steps:

• Dr. Dunn announces (06:13) immediate legal action: “I am consulting with attorneys. We will file a class action lawsuit to stop this from happening...I’m hoping that filing will be in court by tomorrow.”

2. Educational and Social Impact

(07:09 – 09:05)

• Dr. Dunn expresses concern that land intended for future generations’ education is being diverted for private use:
  “My main concern...is that they’re taking this land away from our kids. This land belongs to our kids and their future.” (07:09)
• The Freedom Tower’s symbolic significance for Cuban Americans and Miami’s history is being disregarded.

3. Lack of Transparency and Rapid Decision-Making

(09:43 – 10:04)

• The MDC Board’s seven-day turnaround, lack of debate, absence of live or recorded meetings, and no official minutes raise suspicions.
• Dr. Dunn (10:04):
  “Because it’s a dirty deal. Because it’s a shady deal that they should not even be doing. That’s why they’ve been trying to hide it.”

4. “Teach the Truth” Tours and Historical Memory

(10:36 – 12:18)

• Dr. Dunn describes his “Teach the Truth” historical tours, funded by a $1.5 million Mellon Foundation grant, bridging Black and white college students with the history of racial violence in the South.
• The tours are transformative and foster dialogue:
  “There’s no guilt, blame, anger. It’s understanding and compassion and coming together to understand our history.” (11:43)

5. Miami Political Scandal: Monique Pardo Pope

(14:01 – 22:39)

Background:

• The scandal surrounding Monique Pardo Pope, candidate for Miami Beach City Commission, whose father was infamous neo-Nazi serial killer Manuel Pardo.
• Pope’s father murdered nine people in 1986; she has never publicly repudiated his crimes, instead honoring his memory in her campaign and personal life.
• Billy Corben’s reporting on the matter has led to public and legal confrontations.

Memorable Quotes:

• Billy Corben (17:37):
  “Pardo was proud of being a mass murderer…He even described them to people so graphically they said it sounded almost sexual.”
• Manuel Pardo (Trial, 18:23):
  “I am a soldier, and as a soldier, I asked him to be given the death penalty.”

6. Miami’s Economic and Real Estate Instability

(25:10 – 29:03)

Statistics and Concerns:

• Miami is now the most expensive U.S. city for dining out, with an average meal costing $60 and representing 1.4% of the average resident’s monthly salary.
• UBS ranked Miami as the city most at risk for a real estate bubble, globally, for the second consecutive year.
• Over 54% of Miami-Dade households fall below the ALICE (Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed) survival threshold.

Memorable Quotes:

• Billy Corben (25:39):
  “Everything is too damn expensive. But also nobody’s making any money is the other problem.”
• Billy Corben (27:36):
  “We’re all over 12 grand underwater just to survive in Miami Dade County.”

7. Venezuelan Community in Crisis (with Deborah Acosta)

(29:03 – 41:51)

Key Points:

• Political instability has led to a mass exodus in Doral (“Doralzuela”), Miami’s Venezuelan enclave.
• Vacancy rates in Doral’s apartments have spiked (more than 10% in some buildings), with business revenues dropping by 20%.
• Many Venezuelan migrants, fearful of deportation and unrenewed Temporary Protected Status, are “fleeing” overnight—abandoning homes, jobs, and property.
• The lack of working-age immigrants threatens Miami’s economic engine.

Notable Quotes:

• Deborah Acosta (33:09):
  “There was a lot of confusion and there still is...A lot of people self-deported, particularly people with small children who don’t want to be caught up in this Alligator Alcatraz or whatever else...”
• Billy Corben (41:51):
  “As my friend Peter Zaluski of Condo Vultures says, as goes the condo market, so goes the economy in Miami Dade County.”

Future Outlook:

• Deborah is working on follow-up reporting about the coming “glut” of vacant luxury apartments and its potential crash effect on Miami’s real estate-centered economy.

Notable Moments & Memorable Quotes

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |---|---|---| | 06:13 | “This is not about a presidential library. This is about a land grab...the biggest land grab in Miami history, and we simply will not stand for it.” | Dr. Marvin Dunn | | 09:05 | “To erect a structure next to that [Freedom Tower]...Donald Trump has no business having a building next to the Freedom Tower...” | Dr. Marvin Dunn | | 11:43 | “There’s no guilt, blame, anger. It’s understanding and compassion and coming together to understand our history.” | Dr. Marvin Dunn | | 17:37 | "Pardo was proud of being a mass murderer. He enjoyed the killings." | Billy Corben | | 25:39 | “Everything is too damn expensive. But also nobody's making any money is the other problem.” | Billy Corben | | 41:51 | “‘As goes the condo market, so goes the economy in Miami Dade County.’ So when you talk about vacancies, when you talk about rents coming down...who’s going to work here? Who’s spending money here?” | Billy Corben |

Key Timestamps of Important Segments

• 01:34 — News break: Land deal for proposed Trump Library, public protest, educational history; introduction of Dr. Marvin Dunn
• 06:13 — Dr. Dunn denounces the land deal and plans for class action lawsuit
• 09:05 — Discussion of symbolic insult to Cuban American community (Freedom Tower context)
• 11:00 — Dr. Dunn outlines “Teach the Truth” racial history tours
• 14:01 — Scandal: Monique Pardo Pope’s family background and campaign narrative
• 25:10 — Miami’s affordability crisis, dining costs, and real estate bubble risk
• 29:03 — Venezuelan community exodus in Doral, business and real estate impacts
• 35:52 — Discussion of Doral as a “success story” now threatened by uncertain immigration policies
• 41:51 — Summary of economic risks, effects of migration, and housing vacancies in Miami-Dade

Tone & Language

• The episode balances sharp, often sardonic commentary (Billy Corben’s hallmark) with direct testimony from activists and reporters.
• The conversation is urgent, informed, and frequently incredulous about local government processes.
• Interviews with Dr. Dunn bring a somber, historically rooted tone, contrasted with satirical jabs when appropriate.

Conclusion

This episode of Because Miami encapsulates the intersection of politics, real estate, immigration, and social justice in contemporary Miami. The recurring theme is a city at risk: of losing its educational resources, its working class, and its stability to opaque land deals and political machinations. Through expert guests and in-depth reporting, the episode makes clear that behind Miami’s glittering surface lie deep-seated challenges—most notably in transparency, equity, and a sustainable future.

Episode Recommendation:
A must-listen for anyone concerned with urban development, civic engagement, and the unique complexities of life and power in Miami.