Dan Directly Asks, "ESPN Is Dead?" | Hour 1 (feat. Nick Wright)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show

Hour 1: "Dan Directly Asks, 'ESPN Is Dead?'"

Date: August 5, 2026
Guests: Nick Wright (FS1’s First Things First), Amin Elhassan, Greg Cody

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Episode Overview

Broadcast live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this hour features an engaging and often hilarious roundtable on sports media, the legacy and psyche of Kevin Durant, NBA player rankings, LeBron James’ Sixers move, and the cultural churn around ESPN's perception. Dan Le Batard, joined by Nick Wright, Amin Elhassan, and Greg Cody, navigates topics both serious and absurd, blending insider knowledge with the show’s trademark irreverence.

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Major Discussion Points

1. Kevin Durant’s Warriors vs. 2026 Sixers Comments

• Dan (01:13): Kicks off with Kevin Durant’s controversial statement, questioning if the current 76ers are better than Durant’s old Warriors.
• Amin Elhassan (01:30-02:05): Interprets Durant as drawing parallels between great players joining great teams, but points out the difference in context between Durant and LeBron’s career stages.
• Nick Wright (02:15): Disagrees sharply with Amin and insists Durant is directly trashing his ex-teammates and fighting an old war.
• Memorable quote (Nick, 02:15):

  "He is fighting a war from ten years ago... He's trashing his teammates."

• Nick’s “Galaxy Brain” Theory (04:02): Suggests Durant is fishing for validation by forcing debates that result in people rating him above LeBron, no matter the context.
• Amin (04:53): Agrees, saying Nick just articulated his own point.

2. Durant’s Burner Account Saga

• Nick (07:56): Almost reports (“fake news hat”) that KD was behind notorious DMs – insists he’s certain.
• Amin (08:13): Warns against “want to believe” culture; people accept stories that fit their narrative.
• Nick (09:14): Indicates he's not just speculating, referencing “crisis management” sources about KD.
• Dan (10:00): Compares Nick’s “informed speculation” to Brian Windhorst’s information style.

3. Evaluating Kevin Durant’s Career Path

• Dan (11:35): Brings in a Chris Whittingham prompt: Is this the “worst version” of KD’s career?
• Nick (12:07): Rejects that but says it’s not the best. He details the post-Achilles rupture years:

  "He has played, I think, the number is thirteen games past round one, zero games past round two… since that day."

• Key Insight: Durant’s instinct for team-building may be flawed, explaining his lack of deep postseason runs post-Warriors.

4. Rapid-Fire Sports Takes (Comedy Whistle Segment)

• Format: Nick is challenged to answer in 45 seconds with NFL Films music and referee whistles.
• Skubal to Dodgers (21:31):

  "Anybody could have gotten Skubal... The Dodgers did not get Skubal because of their massive financial advantage."

• LeBron to Sixers (22:16):

  “By year two, [LeBron will] deliver a championship… Philly, historic franchise, long championship drought.”

• Extra LeBron take: Insists LeBron will play 25 seasons and win another ring.

5. Who Is the Most Fascinating Athlete to Nick Wright? (24:32)

• On-court: Patrick Mahomes’ ACL recovery.
• Off-court: Dance around, then blows past the question to comment on his recent “glow up.”

6. NBA Player All-Time Rankings (25:22)

• Nick lists his top 17 (or 18) NBA players, confirming KD as around 17th on his all-time list.

  “LeBron James, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Bill Russell... Kevin Durant or Isaiah Thomas—maybe he’s 18.”

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Media & Pop Culture Segments

7. TV Theme Songs—Nick’s Blind Spot (25:22, 27:40)

• Nick admits he can’t answer, revealing massive pop culture gaps—he never heard a Prince song until after Prince’s death.
• Banter about “Friends” and other TV themes.

8. Are We Still Making ‘Bert Sugars’? (41:23)

• The crew riffs on the lack of colorful old-time sportswriters like Bert Sugar.
• Greg Cody and Amin discuss vintage press hats and sports media archetypes.

9. Origins of Reality TV (39:17)

• Debate on the first reality show: “Cops”, “Real World”, “Candid Camera”, and even a Nazi propaganda program get suggested.
• Banter on Alan Funt, the “Candid Camera” host.

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The ESPN “IS DEAD?” Social Media Controversy

[34:11–38:42]

• Dan expresses anger that the show’s YouTube/social media branded a segment as “ESPN IS DEAD?” with his face without his consent.
  • He clarifies he doesn’t hate ESPN and doesn’t believe it’s dead, calling out the clickbaity trend.
  • “Whether they’re diminished or not, they are still the American leader in sports.” (36:32)
• Crew jokes about taking it down versus “doing numbers.”
• Title suggestion for science: “I will always love ESPN.”
• Satirical poll: Is saying "numbies" instead of "numbers" a douche move?
• Memorable quote (Dan, 37:37):

  “I just don’t want my name on what seems like ESPN hatred when it’s not what I feel.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Nick Wright on Durant’s teammate disses (02:15):

  “He said, and I quote, Klay Thompson, never MVP candidate in nothing... Draymond, 14-7-6... It was a real insult... he’s really, via social media... torched a bit Steph, Draymond, and Klay.”

• Nick Wright on Insider Knowledge (10:00):

  “I try to make it very clear, this is not just, you know, me guessing. This is what I would call very informed speculation.”

• Dan on Aggregation Culture (37:19):

  “Being critical after you’ve left is different than being critical while you’re there… It always gets interpreted as bitterness because I can be critical.”

• Amin on Social Media “Question Mark Defense” (35:25):

  “You could say anything, Dan, as long as we put a question mark at the end because we asked the question and then the answer is no, and that’s fine.”

• Nick on his “glow up” (25:13):

  “A little bit of a glow up from your guy, Nick. Little teeth, whitening the hair. I really figured it out…”

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Humor Highlights

• Whistle Bit (21:13): Nick tries to stick to 45-second takes as the producers scramble to provide a referee whistle.
• Fake Press Hat Discussion (19:08): Nick describes his “fake news” fedora with a hand-written 'PRESS' label.
• TV Theme Song Fail (25:50): Nick can’t name any, confesses to huge pop culture gaps.
• “Burt Sugars” Segment (41:23): Who is the modern Bert Sugar—do they exist any more in media?

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kevin Durant Warriors/Sixers Take: 01:13–04:53
• Burner Account Debate: 06:47–10:00
• Durant’s Career Post-Warriors: 11:35–15:22
• Rapid Fire with Nick Wright: 21:31–24:06
• All-Time NBA Player Rankings: 25:22–27:10
• ESPN “Is Dead” Social Media Issue: 34:11–38:42
• Reality TV Origins Banter: 39:17–45:10

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Conclusion

This episode is classic Le Batard: weaving sports debate, insider analysis, meta-media criticism, and comedic chaos. Nick Wright delivers strong opinions and scoops, the crew debates social media narrative control and the ESPN legacy, and everyone reflects on what’s lost (or not) in sports media and pop culture. If you missed it, you’ll walk away with new insights—about KD, LeBron, “numbies,” the clickbait internet, and whether a real Bert Sugar could ever exist in today’s world.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Nick Wright gonna join us Here, host of FS1's First Things first and what's Right with Nick Wright, the podcast. I mean, what are your thoughts on what Kevin Durant is doing? The known and sworn enem of Nick Wright what is Kevin Durant doing saying that the 76ers are better than his Warriors?

[Amin Elhassan]

He's not saying that. He's just comparing the idea of adding a great score or great player to an already great collection of players. And he's trying to like kind of tie in and loop in what happened to him and Golden State. Kevin Durant's thing seems to be and I know he doesn't like it when we psychoanalyze, but it seems to be like, why did everyone make it a big deal when I do something? But now it's not a big deal when LeBron does something of equal stature. But of course we all understand the argument might be a little disingenuous because LeBron is 41 years old versus Kevin Durant, who is a couple years removed from being an MVP when he joined

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

the warriors and the Sixers haven't been out of the second round and the

[Amin Elhassan]

warriors had won the championship and 73 games. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Nick Wright is with us now. Nick, hello. What are your thoughts on recent.

[Nick Wright]

I disagree with Amin entirely. I think Amin is being far too. I think Amin is saying what he wishes Kevin Durant was saying rather than what Kevin Durant flatly said himself. His. Kevin Durant's last word on this issue was, quote, I don't get how the warriors team is better on paper. He's. He's not making a soft. Well, when you think about it, he is in it. He is fighting a war from 10 years ago, and he is. He is it not only saying Joel's. Joel Embiid, his MVP in 2026 is no different than Steph Curry's in 2016. He's also trashing his teammates. He said, and I quote, klay Thompson, never MVP candidate in nothing. In nothing. Not even like the, you know, family reunion pickup games. Nope. Michael got that one. Draymond 14, 7 and 6. Steph an MVP just like Joel was like. And I don't listen. I like Durant and Durant. Durant says we're not cool. I actually think Durant likes me, too. I think we just, you know, got him on the wrong day when he memed me. That's fine, but this is ludicrous. I do think Draymond had the best analysis of this. When Draymond, when Durant first opened this can of worms, said that Durant is. Looks at basketball like Uncle Drew. It's just about getting buckets. And this Sixers team has a bunch of bucket getters. But, Dan, I have a galaxy brain cons. Not conspiracy theory, but a galaxy brain theory about this that I would like to run by you.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Okay?

[Nick Wright]

So when people are knocking this down, what they're, you know, a lot of them are saying what Amin was getting ready to say or kind of said at the end, which is. But ultimately the biggest difference among all the differences between the 201617 warriors and the 202627 Sixers is Kevin Durant at 28 is so much better than LeBron James at 41. And I think Kevin Durant just waited for people to say, kevin Durant's better than LeBron James. He'll take it even if he has to just force the conversation. He, like, I think he wants to be wrong to just. So everyone's like, no, you're wrong because you're better than LeBron. He's like, Finally, I went to the whole team so people would say, I'm better than LeBron. It's kind of roundabout way, but they're finally saying it. So I think we might be. You know, he might be playing us like a fools. Crazy like a fox.

[Amin Elhassan]

Nick, you landed the plane that I was flying. This is. That was my whole point of. This is all designed so that everyone could say, wait a second, and he says, oh. Oh, is that right?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I'm.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm okay.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, the world is a.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes, absolutely.

[Nick Wright]

I'm glad I interrupted. So you can't say I stole it from you, like, club superstar.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, that would have been a

[Nick Wright]

big bummer if you would have. If you would have said that first.

[Greg Cody]

But.

[Nick Wright]

Okay, so we're on the same.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

So if we do it by position, right. Steph is better than Maxi. Clay is better than Edgecombe. Draymond is more available than Joel Embiid. You match up Kevin Durant against Jaylen Brown, and. Well, against. Well, yeah. And so LeBron's your. Whoever, you know, Kevin Looney. Whoever's the fifth starter for.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

That's fine.

[Nick Wright]

I know.

[Amin Elhassan]

How about.

[Nick Wright]

How about Andre Iguodala? I mean, Andre Guadala. Pretty important guy. Yeah, that warriors team had Andre Iguodala. Yeah. And. And so, I mean, it's just the. The warriors, in the two years leading up to Durant joining them, won 171 games, a championship, and lost in Game 7 of the other finals.

[Greg Cody]

The.

[Nick Wright]

The Sixers, in the last years have won 68 games, not total, but per season, and won one round of the playoffs. I mean, it's an absurdity. Everyone knows it's an absurdity. The thing is, I am fascinated that Kevin Durant wants to keep having this fight, that Katie is still fighting this war. It's a really. And I. I think the comments. This last Instagram post, like, really bothered Clay. I don't know if it really bothered Clay. Seems pretty chill, but it was a real insult to Clay. And Draymond didn't seem too pleased about it. And, like, he's really. Via social media, you know, once unintentionally with the Rockets, tweets, dms, whatever they got leaked, and now this intentionally torched a bit. Steph, Draymond and Clay. It's all very odd.

[Amin Elhassan]

Nick, you brought up the. The dm. We still don't know that that was him. And I don't.

[Nick Wright]

Yes, we do. I do. I do.

[Amin Elhassan]

How do you know?

[Nick Wright]

I can.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes, how do you know? Like, you have confirmed sources saying that was him, or are you doing, like, Kevin Durant? Are you doing circumstantial evidence?

[Nick Wright]

I am. Here's what I'M doing. I am doing far more than circumstantial evidence. But because I haven't paid the $799 to take Pablo Torres how to be a Journalist class, I'm not sure exactly if I can say I'm reporting it.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Well, let me ask you this question, because I will tell the people that Nick WR has information. It's not just gas bagging. He's got sources. No, you've got sources. You do.

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

And so how do you talk about this? You're saying something is so that I have not heard confirmed and have thought is unfair to Kevin Durant without the confirmation, these burners and everything else, what do you know is true? And how can you talk around reporting it while understanding that you're not quite a journalist? But you're not just a gas bag either. You get information.

[Nick Wright]

So this is on. First things first. This is when I say I'm putting on the fake. My fake news hat. The hat is fake, the news is real. So I'll put on my fake news hat. That was Kevin durant in those DMs. Just first of all, it obviously was. Second of all, I'm telling you, it was.

[Amin Elhassan]

See, I don't like the first of all, because the first of all, I got this theory, Nick. I call it the the X Files theory. There's an Exiles movie where it's called I Want to Believe. And that is where we are right now as a society. Everyone wants to run with the thing that confirms how they feel about things. Doesn't matter if it's real or not. Right? Aaron Rodgers is a great example. He wants to believe that Dr. Fauci is full of shit and Covid was just some hoax when obviously it wasn't. Millions of people died worldwide. And you know, the things that. The steps that we took stem the tide of that thing. So it's the same thing. It's like, because Kevin Durant has had this thing in the past, everyone wants to believe, of course Kevin Durant would do this. I'm here to say that I hadn't heard, not at the time and not since then a single person go on the record and say, I have either proof or reporting or something, that this isn't just us wanting this to be true, that it's actually him.

[Nick Wright]

So this is so. I really didn't mean so. I mean what I just said here. So, you know, again, 3 to 5pm Eastern, it's on most cable providers. Linear television. It's still alive, America. I've said repeatedly on the TV show, I mean must have missed those episodes sadly. But this I, I, gosh darn it. I was told by someone who absolutely would know okay about the, about the, what I would call the crisis, the brief crisis management of how to deal with this and what, you know, those, those things that, and now he's really going to be Matt now.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I am so unaccustomed to you being tongue tied when we're just trying because

[Nick Wright]

I'm not really cuz, cuz you're right because I'm not I, I, this is I, I, I do a, you know, a vice riddled, you know, gambling problem version of Wendy. Sometimes where there's a things I know that I have no interest in talking about because I'm not really that I'm more interested in gathering some information and being in the, the, the, you know, being in the circle of trust of things or whatever. But when occasionally I hope the discerning viewer or listener or consumer of my content can tell when I am going way further out than I normally would on things that aren't just like who's going to win a game that no one can see in the future. Rather than that what I'm doing is saying things that have happened or things that I have very good reason to believe will happen and that's so I try to kind yeah, there you go. I but, but Wendy's like Wendy knows everything. Brian Windor knows every single thing that's happening about the NBA shares 2% of them with us. I know a handful of random things that and when I think it's either relevant to the audience or helpful, I try to make it very clear. This is not just, you know, me guessing. This is what I would call very informed speculation. I didn't think again, we spent more time on this than I thought we would. I didn't, I, I thought everyone, I thought that was resolved fact essentially about that Durant torch the locker room by, by destroying all his teammates.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

But this is what bothers me though, that things become fact without anyone confirming it in a way that's verifiable. Like that's to me it doesn't feel fair. Regardless, I want at the risk of getting you in trouble again with Kevin Durant, you're fine. When Chris Whittingham says that the version of Kevin Durant's career that has played out I want to place this hypothetical in front of you is the version of Kevin Durant's career that has played out. The worst version that could have played out given his skill set.

[Nick Wright]

No that's that's too far but it's certainly not the best. And I listen I find I am going to and I'm not trying to be tongue tied and I'm not trying to hedge but I am trying to just reiterate what I've said before. I find Durant fascinating. I think he's the only athlete in my lifetime in any sport, but certainly in the NBA that has handled his career the way he has as far as interactions with fans, media and his utter transparency that he just wants to ball. He wants to get better every day get buckets and ball. I find admirable. I also find incredibly admirable and now it's been a decade so it almost a decade so we paper over it that this guy's career even though he stayed a great player, his career took a a second fork in the road when he played a game on a bum Achilles because everyone in the within the the warriors organization and some media were like he sure has been out a long time with a calf strain. Don't you think he should be back? Then he comes back for 11 minutes pops his Achilles and and so I empathize with him there with that said it to winnings Witty's point. This is a player who by 20 years old and year two was arguably a top five player in the league by 21 years old and year three was inarguably a top three player in the league and spent the entire first decade of his career in the conference finals or NBA finals. Every single healthy year with a healthy team. He was in round three or later and since since that day he popped his Achilles even though his play has been superb. He has played I think the number is 13 games past round one, zero games past round two. A guy who lived in late May and early June has hasn't played a super he's played arguably two super relevant basketball games and they were games six and seven of round two against Milwaukee five years ago. That's a huge bummer. And what I do think is also if we're gonna he you know psych not psychoanalyze but basketball analyze Durant Dan I do think a bit of a window into his his comping the Sixers warriors gives us a little bit of insight as to why he's been bad at figuring out which teams would actually work on the court. Like the fact that he thinks the Sixers are a Warriors comp kind of explains why he might think him hardening Kyrie can't miss why him Booker and Beal make a lot of sense like those things. And so I, I don't think it's the worst version of his career. He's, you know, the 17th greatest player of all time. But there's a lot of better versions of it.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Levitar.

[Greg Cody]

Hello.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

This is not Greg Cody. Greg Cody, that kind of thing.

[Nick Wright]

And you know it.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

This is the Dan Levatar Show. Are you aware that when you did the comping the Sixers warriors hand gestures that you were doing the Trump masturbating elephants dance? Did you realize that?

[Nick Wright]

I didn't know that was a dance.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Yeah, you were doing, you were doing that. Also, Greg Cody asked you a question that kind of got lost. He asked you, when you put on your fake press hat, does it have the word press in the fedora?

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, of course.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

In, in big black marker, handwritten. Yeah, A little, like a little smaller than a 3x5 note card. And it's a skew. And it's, and it's not, it's not a hat like what Roy's wearing. It's like, you know, it's an old,

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I don't know, a bit of a fedora.

[Nick Wright]

I don't know, hat bowler, maybe. Well, I don't, I, I, I don't, I don't. Again, I don't know how I know it. I know it's not a baseball cap and I know it's not a sombrero, but I don't know what it's.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Right.

[Nick Wright]

I don't know what it is, but you can visualize it. Again, fake news.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

The one that, the one that Bert Sugar wears.

[Nick Wright]

I, I'm not that familiar with Bert Sugar's work either with respect to the Sugar family, but yeah, that sounds right.

[Greg Cody]

All right, Nick, also, earlier a few minutes ago, you said the phrase gosh darn it. Is that a phrase that's common to you? Because I'd never heard you say it. Gosh darn it.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. So I, I, I curse in my daily life and there's there, I try not to say God out of respect. That for a lot of people is like a, like a super bad curse. And, But I used to say GD a lot. And so I've just replaced it with gosh darn it out of respect to people.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I have, I have a number of questions and we've got a limited amount time here, so I'm gonna try and keep you. And I don't think this is possible, but we're gonna try and keep you to 30 to 45 seconds on each topic.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, the only way I can do that is if I have soundtrack behind it and there's a whistle. I need like NFL films music, and then 45 seconds of whistle, then I can do it.

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I gotta.

[Nick Wright]

It's my brain.

[Amin Elhassan]

Roy, get to work.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

All right, Roy is, is getting to work right now.

[Nick Wright]

John Facinda music and a whistle at 45.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Yes. Okay, well, you're gonna have to give us a second because you're boss and Roy around and he wasn't prepared for this. So the first one's gonna have to be acapella. I hope that's.

[Dan Le Batard]

Anyone got a whistle?

[Nick Wright]

You don't have a whistle yet.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

We're go. All of the stuff. See if you can find all the stuff he's requested.

[Amin Elhassan]

What's the temperature? Hold on, let me see.

[Nick Wright]

No, let a me Let a meme. Do a, a, a manual whistle like this and I'll. That'll be good.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's 83 degrees. I don't know if I could whistle.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Who is the best? Who's got the best referee whistle among us? I am not a whistler. I cannot whistle.

[Nick Wright]

So who can't? Greg Cody can do a good old timey.

[Greg Cody]

I can.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've always said, I've always said you can't trust someone who can whistle with their fingers in their mouth.

[Greg Cody]

How about this?

[Amin Elhassan]

Great.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

All right, so. All right, we've got a song. 45 seconds. Nick Wright on scuba to the Dodgers.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, this is very fascinating one because people are using this story to have an argument that is nothing about this story. You can hate the Dodgers financial advantage. You can feel like baseball needs to change. I'm a Royals fan. I, I understand the bother of that, but anybody could have gotten school. They're gonna pay him like a total of 2 million bucks over the rest of the year. The Dodgers did not get school because of their massive financial advantage. But it doesn't really matter that that's the facts of the case there. This seems to be the tipping point, people being mad at the Dodgers. I didn't even need the whistle. Oh, wow. I have extra time. I'm chilling. Okay, thank you.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

We do have the whistle here. LeBron to the Sixers. We haven't had John since it happened. Your thoughts?

[Dan Le Batard]

I know.

[Nick Wright]

I mean, he's going to do what he's done in every place, every time he's ever changed teams, which is by year two, deliver a championship. Also, it confirms to me that Rich Paul was being 100% earnest that if the Knicks hadn't won the title, he was going to New York. And the moment Rich said that we all should have given more and more credit to Philly. Cuz East Coast. That means he's willing to go to the East Coast. It means he's valuing, super valuing a chance to win a title and historic franchise that is in a long championship drought. New York, Philly and Portland, oddly, are the three that. Check that box. He's not going to Portland. New York was off the table. Philly. And I'm trying. I have a call for season tickets this week.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Any bonus LeBron thoughts you want to give us? Because 45 seconds wasn't a lot of time for you.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, of course I would. You guys spend 10 minutes talking about Kevin Durant's obvious burner. And it means like, do you have the login info? Have you seen the IP addresses?

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on, bro.

[Nick Wright]

Yes. I would rather spend time talking about LeBron to the Sixers. Mike Ryan's gonna lose that bet. All Star at 50. We thought it was just gonna be hypothetical. Might keep going. I would. I have gotten one thing wrong in my LeBron commentary, which was I have been saying for the last two years, guys, it's. He is going to play 25 years. He don't think about this year's his last year or next year's last year. He's gonna play 25 years, addendum at a minimum. The guy just loves the game. Loves the game. And he's gonna win another ring. It's. And it's gonna be. It's an hour and 42 minute drive from my front door. Next.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I gotta say, I mean, given that you found a referee's whistle. I really thought you'd be better at it. Like, I need some louder, louder whistle from you.

[Nick Wright]

He can't hear. I hear it great. Okay, maybe it's your. Maybe it's those headphones that I got that I got in my first radio studio in 2003 that you're still wearing that when you take them off, they leave the little black things on your ear.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I hate those.

[Nick Wright]

You're like, wait, you're like, what happened here?

[Dan Le Batard]

Am I?

[Nick Wright]

And it's like all these headphones. My God.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

You said that Kevin Durant was fascinating. The most fascinating athlete going right now for Nick Wright is blank. And why.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, God. I, I don't. On court. Fascinating. On field. Fascinating. The. The, the most fascinating story is. Sorry, but it's true. Is Patrick Mahomes's ACL recovery and how the, how fast it was and how that impacts the season as a whole. As far as the most fascinating kind of person. I. Come on, guys. It's unnecessary. Necessary. By the way, I've even in the short time since that picture was taken, a little bit of a glow up from your guy, Nick. Little teeth, whitening the hair. I really figured it out, but I probably. Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

And last question before we get you out of here. Top five television theme songs of all time.

[Nick Wright]

Okay. I. I'm. Can I. I'm not equipped for that. But when you said Kevin Durant, what I thought you were going to do, Dan, was. I had called him the 17th greatest player. I thought you were gonna say, who are the 16 ahead of him? Can you do that instead and see if I can do it in order off the top of my head?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

We could, but it's not at all answering my question in any way. Why are you.

[Nick Wright]

I don't know television theme songs, bro.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No.

[Nick Wright]

I grew up listening to Ron Barr Sports Overnight America. I didn't hear a Prince song till I was driving from Houston to LA when I was 30 years old, right after he played past. I have giant gaps of pop culture knowledge, cuz I've spent my entire life practicing for this moment.

[Amin Elhassan]

Get out of here.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

All right, go ahead. Oh, that's great.

[Nick Wright]

I didn't even see the picture. I do look great. Wow.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Go ahead. Do the 16. You want to. You want to do the 16? Go ahead.

[Nick Wright]

I don't want to get it wrong. In order 1 through 6. 17. And this is not just last 50 years, this is all time. Let's see if Durant actually is 17. LeBron James, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Bill Russell. Magic Johnson. Wilt Chamberlain. Take a breath. Tim Duncan. Kobe Bryant. Larry Bird. Akeem Olajuwon. Shaquille O'. Neal. Steph Curry. Take a breath. Dr. J. Nikola Jokic. Moses Malone. Did I do it? Jerry West. And now we have a question. Oh, I gave a little thumbs up there. Is it Durant or is it Isaiah Thomas? I don't know. Maybe he's 18. What a hit.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Thank you, Nick. He's the host of FS1's First Things First. What's Right with Nick Wright is the podcast he does with his son. You can get that. It's more available and it's more readily available on your Internet streaming services than the more mainstream stuff he does on linear.

[Nick Wright]

Linear cable.

[Greg Cody]

Boy.

[Nick Wright]

Linear cable. Not dead yet.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Not.

[Nick Wright]

Not dead yet. Still alive. Throw it on, then. Watch a Good Friends rerun. Did it yesterday. Nice little night with the fam.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

So you do watch so that there's a team. There's a TV theme song that you had, but you wanted to do Kevin Durant top.

[Nick Wright]

I don't know the themes song. I know the show. See ya. I got it.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

See you later.

[Greg Cody]

Goodbye.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Thank you. I appreciate the applause for how well that segment went. Oh, you were doing the French theme song.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

dan levitar I do agree with Greg.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are you talking so slightly the

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

opens need to win this opener.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's because you can hear yourself. It's kind of awkward. What do you mean?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Craig do you have a back of my day?

[Greg Cody]

A what?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Greg Cody I stand behind Greg for

[Nick Wright]

not doing back in my days anymore.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

You all have him singing songs and doing so many ancillary things that it's ridiculous and you know it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Talk faster.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Why are you talking so slow? I'm talking at my normal speed.

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[Dan Le Batard]

How would you talk to her with it?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Yeah, baby. This is the Dan Levatar show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Biggest lie or most troubling thing that he said that he watches Friends and he doesn't know the Friends theme song.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

That's what he just said.

[Greg Cody]

Or.

[Amin Elhassan]

Or that he had never heard a Prince song until Prince died. I remember the day we were here and Dave Damaschuk said he had never heard a Mariah Carey song. He couldn't name a single Mariah Carey song other than the Christmas one. And we were all like, how. How do you live in America and just not encounter that at all?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

That's weird, right?

[Greg Cody]

Very weird.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well done. But, but for him to say he'd never heard of Prince Greg Cody. I wouldn't have you in the school of hay. A very avant garde music listening type.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Right.

[Amin Elhassan]

You've got your stuff that you listen. No, he's. He's got his stuff that he listens to.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

Can you name a Prince song?

[Greg Cody]

Sure. Purple Rain.

[Amin Elhassan]

There you go.

[Greg Cody]

Little red Corvette.

[Amin Elhassan]

There you go.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Big Prince fan.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's actually a music guy, though. You kind of.

[Amin Elhassan]

My bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

His credentials.

[Greg Cody]

He did a. He did a collaboration with one of my all time heroes, Mavis Staples of the Staples Singers.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

You run her fan club, don't you?

[Greg Cody]

I do. I do run her fan club on. On X. I used to. They took it away from me. Right now all I have is my own Twitter feed and Carly Stremsky.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

They took it away from you?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, they took Brendan Benson. Stole it from me. His people stole it from me. And Mavis Staple. I can't get. Now I can't sign on.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just forgot the password.

[Greg Cody]

Well, you know, that kind of thing.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Well, was it stolen from you or did you just forget the password? Those are two very different things.

[Greg Cody]

No, I. You know what? I tried to reactivate my. I reactivated my Carly Usrzemsky X Twitter site very easily. Worked like a charm and it's now active and updated and running again. I tried to do the same with my Mavis Staples fan account and I couldn't do it. I don't know why.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I want to ask the group here a question about how I'm supposed to feel about something done by our exceptional social media department. Okay? Because I found myself getting mad yesterday, and I found myself getting mad and feeling a bit like Charles Barkley felt when he claimed to have been misquoted in his autobiography. Okay? It's our show and it's my show. And so when something goes out with my name on it, it's got my responsibility around it. And the people who run our social media account have figured out that any time that I'm talking about sports media in any way, it's something that pops a little bit. And so what they did to me yesterday is I see my face scroll across my YouTube channel in horror because it says in front of my face, ESPN is dead. And I'm like, I have not said that. I've not said that in private. I've not said that in public. Why is it just my face on ESPN is dead? With a question mark?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, with a question mark then it's okay.

[Amin Elhassan]

But that's not. It's okay. See, you could say anything, Dan, as long as we put a question mark at the end because we asked the question and then the answer is no, and that's fine. But ESPN Dead is how you should have waited it. Your tone was all the way off. You said ESPN Dead in my face. You know, they said espn, Dad.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I didn't say either one.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, we're asking the question.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, no, I was.

[Nick Wright]

No, it's your channel.

[Greg Cody]

Why'd you say that?

[Amin Elhassan]

Would you ask that?

[Dan Le Batard (Ad Read)]

Why would you put that up there?

[Amin Elhassan]

Would you ask that up there?

[Greg Cody]

Who would you fire? Well, a lot of unanswered questions.

[Amin Elhassan]

Another question, would you.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I did not say that. And I want it taken down.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

What do you mean?

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I didn't say it's doing numbers.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, but here. No, no, I take over.

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You want to give up numbers?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

You'll give up.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Nick Wright]

That's too far.

[Dan Le Batard]

We've had a lot of meetings about not giving up.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, I want. No, I want to give up these numbers. I want it taken down. I don't want that on my face. Here's the thing that keeps happening, okay? The way things get aggregated today and the way that people consume things in just snippets, it looks and sounds to people like I am both not supporting in any way Pat McAfee against Pat McAfee and any time I talk about ESPN, even though while I was there, I was a self appointed ombudsman who annoyed everybody with my criticisms while I Was there doing so talking about espn, which does do numbers. When I do it, having left espn, it always gets interpreted as bitterness because I can be critical. And being critical after you've left is different than being critical while you're there. Now. I was more critical when I was there because I'm aware and have an antenna up for how it is that this stuff gets received, but it gets aggregated so much more now and so differently that I don't want my name on ESPN is dead. Because I'm not thinking that publicly or privately. That's not. That's not right. They. Whether they're diminished or not, they are still the American leader in sports. I don't know worldwide. I don't know if they've ever been the worldwide leader in sports, but they still are the American leader in sports coverage. And I just don't want my name on what seems like ESPN hatred when it's not what I feel.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, it's not ESPN hatred. It's a question about ESPN question.

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[Nick Wright]

We're looking at.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're looking at yesterday's times the number. 10 times the number.

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10 times the number.

[Greg Cody]

It's good you said that.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Take it down.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Whoever's in charge of it, take it down. Or you know what? You don't have to take it down. Just don't put ESPN is dead in the front of it. Put something else there.

[Amin Elhassan]

They didn't put that. They put ESPN is dead.

[Dan Le Batard (Ad Read)]

Can we keep McAfee and Rogers faces, though?

[Greg Cody]

But I love ESPN actually.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Do that cross out do that may contain errors instead. No, no, I love make it. I will always love ESPN instead of espn.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why don't we just name this episode that and see what the Numbies do. That's. I'll do that. I'll do that on the podcast.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Yeah, do it for science. I don't like the way that our social media team is Jerry. Rigging the numbers. I want the numbers.

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Say numbers I want.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Put it on the poll at Levitar show douche or no douche guy. Who says numbies instead of numbers? You're in a big hurry, are you? You can't say the. The hard R. Oh.

[Greg Cody]

Oh. Hey.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, come on.

[Greg Cody]

Same number of syllables.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can I bring us back to what we were talking about earlier?

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[Dan Le Batard]

we were talking best reality shows ever. We left one out.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Cops, Bad Boys.

[Amin Elhassan]

We also left out of the TV theme songs 1.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that the original? That's an early reality show.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Cops, the original. I think of Real World as the original reality show. Do I have it wrong? Before that? So is Cops the original television show? Cops is problematic for a lot of different reasons. I was telling you guys yesterday, having watched some of these documentaries on, for example, it's not just Jerry Springer, but it's that. That show, America's Biggest Loser and, and as well, a documentary done on To Catch a Predator, which I think most would say. To Catch a Predator, that's a good public service. But Chris Hansen has reasons to feel a little bit bad about what happened to the people working on those shows because of the subject matter and the difficulty of televising something like catching, you know, people who are pedophiles.

[Greg Cody]

Candid Camera.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Okay, but wait a minute. That's a prank show. That's the first one. That's not a real. No, that's not a reality show. Candid. Put her on the poll at Lebatard Show. Is Candid Camera a reality show? We're in the Greg Cody wheelhouse right now. Put it on the poll as well. Have you ever heard of Candid Camera?

[Greg Cody]

Oh, yes. Well, Alan Funt.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

That's a great name.

[Greg Cody]

It is a great name.

[Nick Wright]

Funt Font,

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Alan Fund. It's not F u n T. It's f u n d T. See if you guys do me a favor as we continue to skew older and older on Greg Cody. Dave.

[Greg Cody]

Actually, I don't think there is a D in there.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, I think.

[Greg Cody]

I think it's F u n T.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I thought it was dt. We will find out together. Do me a favor, video team, please get the Burt Sugar photo I was asking for during the Nick Wright interview because.

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[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Well done, Greg Cody.

[Greg Cody]

You're welcome.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

And get me a photo as well of Alan Funt, which I don't believe you'll be able to find in color.

[Nick Wright]

No, it's not the color.

[Amin Elhassan]

We don't make birch sugars anymore.

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[Amin Elhassan]

Like, or do we do it and just not recognize it? Who's the Bert Sugar of the modern sports media? Guy with a lot of personality, comes in, always has the hat, got the cigar and asking the question. Remember, Burt Sugar was in Great White Hype along with Tim Kawakami.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Are we still making Burt Sugars? Because it's a great question by Amin. So this is an old timey boxing writer. He wore the old kind of press hat and also was always wandering around with an unlit cigar, which is A real showpiece.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's a great look.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

He's a show.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Just a cigar smoker.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Halfway there.

[Amin Elhassan]

Dan's birthed lots of sugar.

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[Nick Wright]

I don't know how much he's burned.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dad, do you remember the reality show An American family in the 70s?

[Greg Cody]

I don't.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's claiming to be the first one that, like, just followed a family around, because the one you guys were talking about before was more of like a. Like a prank show. And this one was really just a following in the 70s called an American Family.

[Greg Cody]

It sounds like the premise of 1440, the story of an American home, which follows one house and all of the families that parade in and out of it. Oh, boy.

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I found the first reality show. It was called Familiar Croc in in

[Nick Wright]

Ivan Mitt Hans Unjelly.

[Dan Le Batard (Ad Read)]

And it was Nazi propaganda.

[Amin Elhassan]

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[Greg Cody]

Who starred in it?

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[Nick Wright]

Minor penalty, two minutes. Dumpster juice. Take takes.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

You're gonna have to leave, Jeremy. I don't have one here that says bringing up propaganda.

[Nick Wright]

Be careful.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

That's what I'd be hitting.

[Amin Elhassan]

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

All right, Out.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, boy. All right. I thought you're gonna say ouch.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Now. The ultimate or the first of the reality shows cannot be a German one. I'm doing American pop culture show. I'm not looking for the Internet. Answer to my question. What is making it into the mainstream before Cops? What? What year did cops debut?

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[Dan Le Batard]

Real world was 92.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

So what would be before Cops on a reality television show? Reality tv, obviously. Famously cheap. When television wants to go cheap, it goes. Real shows and game shows, those are always cheaper programming than most. Would you guys, off of the top of your head, think that there's anything before Cops, or do you think. Also put this on the poll as well at Lebatard show. Is Cops the first reality show that you remember? Yes or no? Because I don't have another one. Go ahead and put up Alan Funt there on the screen as well people can enjoy. Is that Alan Funt? I think that's a younger Alan Funt.

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like the old time TV shows. He's 29.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's like, yeah, it's like Bill Snyder. Bill Snyder as a young man, as a boy coach was still someone who looked like he was 74 years old. That's the way he stayed looking so young as he started. Incredibly old.

[Dan Le Batard]

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