Dan Le Batard is the World's Greatest Empath | Hour 1

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show
Episode: Dan Le Batard is the World's Greatest Empath | Hour 1
Date: July 30, 2026
Location: Live from The Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan Le Batard, joined by his crew (Mike Ryan, Chris Cody, Amin Elhassan, Doug), discusses a blend of current sports controversies, pop culture, and classic wrestling nostalgia with the usual irreverent humor and self-deprecation. The main threads are: the absurdity of NCAA enforcement, radio beefs with Philadelphia, the public shaming of Tony Romo, and the undervalued nature of defense in basketball, epitomized by Draymond Green. The episode bounces between playful mockery, genuine empathy, and signature Le Batard tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NCAA Violations & Hypocrisy in Sports (01:47–04:18)

• Idiocy of Outdated Rules: Chris Cody questions the logic behind suspending a college athlete for accepting a $427 flight from an agent, given the professional nature of college sports now.

  “If an agent buys a flight for a kid, what now?” – Chris Cody (02:42)

• Juxtaposition with FIFA & Big-Time Corruption: The crew pokes fun at how big money in global sports flagrantly disregards rules, yet college kids get slapped for minor infractions.

  “The idea of someone having an NCAA violation for a roundtrip ticket is like... the idea of getting arrested for possession of a joint.” – Amin Elhassan (03:21)

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2. Philadelphia Radio Beef & Mockery (04:18–07:14)

• A Compliment Sandwich Gone Bad: 975 the Fanatic’s John Marks critiques Dan (“so insufferable...bucket hat...can’t stand him...he’s brilliant, though”) (04:52–05:16), sparking laughter and self-deprecation.
• Polls as Defense: Chris Cody launches two tongue-in-cheek Twitter polls: "More insufferable: Dan Le Batard or Philadelphia Radio Guy?" and "Fatter: Dan Le Batard or Philadelphia Radio Guy?" (06:05–06:16).
• Dan’s Take: Dan playfully owns the criticism, referencing his own struggles with weight and media perception.

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3. Tony Romo’s DUI Video—Empathy, Ridicule, and Ethics (07:19–29:00)

• Should Media Amplify Embarrassment?
  Dan hesitates to play the humiliating police video of Tony Romo, torn between public appetite for schadenfreude and his own professed empathy (07:19–09:08).

  "I don’t know if it is right to play…when you go from just the printed report of something that looks like DUI..." – Dan Le Batard (07:19)

• Playing the Video Anyway
  Despite protestations, they play/descriptively re-enact key moments: Romo name-drops attending a USGA event, claims he’s coming from his grandparents’ (who’ve reportedly been dead for years), and prepares for a field sobriety test by stretching his back.

  • The crew jokes about the increasingly convoluted explanations (“grandparents,” “golf course”) and Romo's “drunk hair.”

  “If I do [get a DUI], I hope the video is as hilarious as this.” – Amin Elhassan (13:14)

  “He absolutely had drunk hair...We don’t need a breathalyzer.” – Chris Cody (25:10)

• Discussion of Empathy vs Media Voyeurism
  Ongoing debate: Is Dan really the “world’s greatest empath,” or just buying moral credibility before doing what everyone does in media (playing the video)?

  • Amin calls out Dan’s self-proclaimed empathy as disingenuous:

    "There have been two lies told in this hour. One, video team I'm sorry to make you do this. That's a lie. And then Dan saying, I feel bad about playing videos of people being embarrassed. That's a lie." – Amin Elhassan (10:18)

• Grandparent Conundrum
  Long tangent debating if Romo lied about visiting his deceased grandparents or if cultural nomenclature (“abuelo” for parents when you have kids) caused confusion.

  • Dan, while playfully needled as insincere, ends up deemed “the world’s greatest empath” by the group for his attempt to find empathy in a viral moment (27:36):

    "The world's greatest empath is…Dan Le Batard! Give a round of applause." – Amin Elhassan (27:36)

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4. Classic Wrestling & Tangents (09:39+, 17:01+, 21:03+, 27:52+)

• References and Reenactments: Multiple distractions involve recounting wild wrestling promos and storylines, especially involving Zeus, Macho Man, and SummerSlam 1989.
• Nostalgia and Laughter: The crew constantly interrupts the main discussion with laughter and details about old-school wrestling, blending sports critique with pop culture gags.

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5. Defense and Personality in Basketball: The Draymond Green Discussion (34:42–39:48)

• Undervaluing Defense: Amin asks, of all NBA players with $250M+ in career earnings, which one averaged under 10 points a game? (Answer: Draymond Green)

• Draymond’s Uniqueness: The panel articulates how rare it is for a defensive specialist and big personality to be a championship centerpiece in the NBA, collectivizing Draymond with players like Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman, but highlighting his singular media and leadership role.

  “Draymond Green’s career is going to be remembered for things said and not done, when what he’s done doesn’t have a whole lot of precedent.” – Chris Cody (37:24)

• Personality & Defense: Discussion shifts to Kawhi Leonard as an outlier who combines elite offense and defense, but even he “grew into something much greater,” emphasizing Draymond’s one-of-a-kind status.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On NCAA Violations vs FIFA’s Corruption

  "The idea of someone having NCAA violation for a roundtrip ticket is like...the idea of getting arrested for possession of a joint."
  — Amin Elhassan (03:21)

• On Media Ethics and Schandenfreude

  "All you have to do is appeal and you win."
  — Dan Le Batard (03:45)

  "There have been two lies...Video team, I feel sorry to make you do this, that's a lie. And Dan saying, I feel bad about playing videos of people being embarrassed, that’s a lie."
  — Amin Elhassan (10:18)

• On Tony Romo's Police Video

  “If I do, I hope the video is as hilarious as this.”
  — Amin Elhassan (13:14)

  "He absolutely had drunk hair. He would be convicted by a jury of peers."
  — Chris Cody (25:10)

• On Defensive NBA Players' Rarity

  “Only one of the 67 [NBA players with $250M in earnings] has a career average of less than 10 points per game. Can you name the player?”
  — Amin Elhassan (34:53)

  “Draymond Green’s career is going to be remembered for things said and not done when what he’s done doesn’t have a whole lot of precedent.”
  — Chris Cody (37:24)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• NCAA/Agent Flight Hypocrisy: 01:47–04:18
• Philadelphia Radio Beef: 04:18–07:14
• Tony Romo/TMZ Video Ethics: 07:19–29:00
• Classic Wrestling Tangents: Throughout (esp. 09:39+, 17:01, 21:03, 27:52)
• Draymond Green & Defense in the NBA: 34:42–39:48

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Tone & Language

• Playful, irreverent, meta, self-aware, and quick to turn ridicule inward as much as outward.
• Banter-filled with sharp pop culture and sports references; full of running gags and asides.
• Frequent playful accusations of hypocrisy (“world’s greatest empath”), faux outrage, and mock polls.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode intertwines a critique of sports hypocrisy (college football vs billionaire sports corruption), hilariously defensive banter over a Philadelphia radio feud, and a (mostly tongue-in-cheek) debate about the ethics of airing Tony Romo’s public embarrassment. The table is set for classic Dan Le Batard humor: self-mockery, mock-sincerity, and an underlying thread about empathy (real or performative). For hoops heads, the second half dives into how rare Draymond Green’s career is—an all-time defender and big personality thriving in a league that glamourizes offense and scoring.

If you enjoy sports, pop culture, and hosts who never take themselves too seriously, this episode is peak Le Batard—full of wit, warmth, and the occasional 1980s wrestling tangent.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

Chris Cody is very eager to bother me by trying to inflame radio wars with Philadelphia Philadelphia Radio because he says there's some sound here that I'm going to want to hear. We'll find out in a second together. But I just, I want to step back from what it is we just did there with Pablo and just to ask you guys, do you find it like, funny, strange? Are you taking inventory of the idea of FIFA over here? We're going to buy the World cup as the trumps and ballmer over here can say bullshit, bullshit, bullshit to your rules because you just got more money than everybody else and we're still getting Tennessee linebacker Arian car for a flight you took for $427. You took money from an agent. Like I thought we weren't doing that anymore.

[Mike Ryan]

Round trip.

[Chris Cody]

I thought, I don't know. I don't know how this costs you two games now in today's like that's professional football. We all understand that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right?

[Chris Cody]

The whole college thing is professional sports. So if an agent buys a flight for a kid, what now?

[Amin Elhassan]

Two games.

[Chris Cody]

We're finding that funny. Weird. Are we taking inventory of the fact that that Amin yesterday when we're talking to master about this FIFA scandal, we're talking about late stage capitalism. What it looks like is, yeah, the guys at the top just grabbed the World cup and the others.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that why this is here?

[Chris Cody]

Yes, yes, yes. Amin was watching the fall of democracy yesterday and laughing at the idea that it would come to sports and we'd be horrified trying to protect the pearls and sanctity of sports. Now as yeah, Trump's family is just going to come over, give me 20% of the world cup for one of the kids.

[Amin Elhassan]

We ruined it. We ruined it all. But the, the idea of someone having NCAA violation for a round trip ticket worth 400 bucks is like to me, obviously you guys live in Florida is different. But I live in Arizona where weed has been legal for years and years. The idea of getting arrested for possession of a joint like that. What are you talking about?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know how anybody gets in trouble anymore these days.

[Chris Cody]

I just.

[Dan Le Batard]

You have to do is appeal and you win.

[Chris Cody]

Mike. But I just thought that that was a news story so that anyone can only have the opinion. We're still doing this. We're still doing two games because you took a flight from an agent. Like hasn't that flight flown? Like I wanted to say ship sailed but we're using flights now. Like I really did think that the only purpose of that story is for everybody to go like, wait, really? Do I have it wrong? Says you're a college football expert.

[Mike Ryan]

It could have been a bus.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's a good point.

[Mike Ryan]

It's happened.

[Chris Cody]

Chris Cody. What is the Philadelphia Sound? And I'd really like to start choosing better enemies around here. Here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Isn't it R and B?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. I believe. Was it the Spinners? They were like Phil and oats.

[Dan Le Batard]

Famously.

[Doug]

Yeah. 975 the fanatic. Dan middays with Marks. John Marks and his co host. We're talking about you. I would describe what you're about to hear as. Follow me on this. A compliment sandwich.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Doug]

Doug in the middle here, sandwiched in the middle is a compliment, okay? But the bread it's served on is disrespectful. Let's play it Ken.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pablo Torre.

[Mike Ryan]

Can he investigate why Dan lebartard is so insufferable? Might be a short investigation.

[Dan Le Batard]

Every time I hear him, that stupid

[Mike Ryan]

bucket, that stupid hat with the big brim and the whatever that he used to wear. It looked like it was his 90s sprayed. God, I can't stand him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, and he's brilliant, by the way.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, I'm not. I'm not trying to take away from me.

[Amin Elhassan]

I think he's lost his fastball, but he's gotten fat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait, that guy of the week?

[Doug]

I will say in that guy's defense, he does go on to be like. I mean, with his words. I. Look at me. I can't call it good, because.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, you can't cut that part out,

[Doug]

though, because it was funnier.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can't, because that guy absolutely wears what he's wearing in that still to the pool.

[Amin Elhassan]

You know, I. Guys, I. I'm not gonna put up with some couple of yahoos up in Philadelphia talking about our guy. To hell with you. Having said that, the line, could you investigate? And it would be a short investigation. That's funny. Yes, that's comedy. Dan. You can't hate on comedy.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Dan's actually lost a lot of weight, stress weight, because of the brother that painted the hat that you criticized

[Amin Elhassan]

that he doesn't wear anymore.

[Chris Cody]

Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. More insufferable. Dan LeBatard or Philadelphia radio guy. Put it on the poll as well. Fatter, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is anybody's race.

[Chris Cody]

Fatter. Yeah, I know. Fatter. Dan LeBatard or Philadelphia radio guy? Just put both of those on the poll. The criticism, I think, is fair. I have gotten fat with words because we're fighting Ballmer, and I can't do two jobs at once.

[Dan Le Batard]

How did the other guy feel when the guy was like, fat, Flat brim, big, oversized 1990s cap, and he's just sitting there taking it.

[Amin Elhassan]

But enough about you all to Dan Levittorne.

[Chris Cody]

I told you guys took great delight in New York, that the only thing following me after a lifetime of insecurity about my weight is somebody pointing and shouting, wfat. I'm like, I really took that insult and made it my own. Like, here I am in New York, the big city. I practically jumped up in the air and clicked my heels with a parasol. I'm fat.

[Amin Elhassan]

And then they had an earthquake. It happened.

[Chris Cody]

And because I jumped up in the air with a parasol, and then they had.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to make that connection. I was just saying New York City had an earthquake.

[Chris Cody]

All right, So I want to ask you guys, all of you, something, the audience included, because obviously, Tony Romo, these are not the moments that you want to be defined by. When the video comes out, that's embarrassing. And it'll be about as embarrassed as Tony Romo will ever be in public. So there are plenty of what. There are plenty of jokes here around what it is that this video is. But I also feel bad anytime someone is publicly embarrassed like this and becomes a laughingstock when they're in a position of great celebrity. And so we have Video tmz. It's going to be very popular video. And I don't know if it is right to play it. I don't know if it is right to play with this. But when you go from just the printed report of something that looks like dui, and then you get the comedy. Okay. Of an old football player not knowing where he quite is during the day and his back hurts and he's got a stretch and he doesn't know if he's going to find file a field sobriety test, all of that is something that, to me, I feel embarrassed for Tony Romo. But when I come in today, ZSAS just exclaims. And I've never heard him do this. I hear from the other part of the room, Zaz says, oh, no. And I thought, like, an anaconda had seized him or something horrible had happened. And I'm like, what happened? And his response is, tony Romo's grandparents have been dead for many years. And so what do I do with this story?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, now you got to play the video.

[Amin Elhassan]

You got to play it now.

[Chris Cody]

But when I'm embarrassed for Tony Romo,

[Dan Le Batard]

you just say it on the front end, but then gratuitously still play it.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's how you do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how you do it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Also, I don't believe that you feel

[Dan Le Batard]

bad about anyone, man. I don't know. I have my reservations about this, but really, that's just a. By yourself credibility, moral credibility with an audience. When you were going to play at the.

[Chris Cody]

What if I don't play it? What if I decide now not to play it?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, you got to play it now because you've. You've set up expectation.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's queued up. I can see it on the preview monitor.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we got to play it now,

[Chris Cody]

but I can make a moral stand here instead and deny that it's virtue signaling and deny the audience who's my responsibility for.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'll be Zeus in the Dark Knight. I'm gonna do what you should have done 10 minutes ago.

[Doug]

We've gotten fat.

[Mike Ryan]

You go Zeus instead of Debo.

[Dan Le Batard]

I go Zeus. Really? You're a wrestling mark.

[Mike Ryan]

I know, but like, Deebo is so much more.

[Dan Le Batard]

Have you ever seen the promo video team? Let's see if we can find the promo. I'm sorry to do this, but it's hugely important. There is a promo with sensational Sherry, Macho king, Randy Savage and Zeus behind the old school square blue steel cage. And it is the most cocaine y thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

[Mike Ryan]

I love those old promos and I've

[Dan Le Batard]

seen a lot of cocaine y things.

[Chris Cody]

Video team, I'm sorry to do this to you is as cocaine y of a thing has ever happened around here.

[Dan Le Batard]

But this one comes up on YouTube. Pablo eating pickled pigs feet. That's a little tougher.

[Amin Elhassan]

There have been two lies told in this hour. One video team, I feel sorry to make you do this. That's a lie. And then Dan saying, I feel bad about playing videos of people being embarrassed. That's a lie.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, no, this kind of embarrassed where it's the worst defining moment of your life. I'll play a guy getting embarrassed because he's fallen down.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can tell without sound how cocaine y this is. And this isn't even the one that I'm talking talking about. This is like they're. They're not.

[Mike Ryan]

She's full of the madness. What do you mean? What is she doing?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, this isn't even cream of the crop. This isn't even the one I'm talking about. Because there's a blue steel cage. We'll get on it.

[Amin Elhassan]

I do a good Zeus, you absolutely never feel bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do cross your eyes.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, I don't want to play the video. I don't. I. I have avoided most of it until Zaz said oh, no. And then I realized that because of what Zaz was exclaiming. What his excuse was something grandparent related. I don't know what his excuses.

[Mike Ryan]

You can't do that. Okay, we got. We have to play the video.

[Chris Cody]

Why don't we just describe the video, explain to people why it is I heard the oh no. Because I had not heard the video.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, like he gets pulled over. I'm sorry to do this, video team, but we got to play the Video now. Okay.

[Amin Elhassan]

You're not sorry either. That's three lies, and I don't know

[Mike Ryan]

why I said I'm sorry. I'm not sorry.

[Amin Elhassan]

We.

[Dan Le Batard]

We are approaching the anniversary of SummerSlam 1989, where Zeus and the Macho King entered a steel cage match against Hulk Hogan and Brutus the barbecue.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right. And you're probably saying to yourself, wow, I can't believe Brutus the beefcake was in a main event. Yes, he was.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was Hulk Hogan's best friend.

[Mike Ryan]

He was.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how he got that chance.

[Mike Ryan]

Dan, I'm going to SummerSlam tomorrow night.

[Amin Elhassan]

You sit here to tell me that? Let's describe the video. You think that's a good idea instead of just showing it?

[Chris Cody]

The reason that if we describe it, it's going to lead to less laughter is because the video. I'm assum. Embarrasses him more than even the details.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Earl Hebner take control of that match? Sensational. Sherry was up to no good with that steel cage door, and Earl Hebner was having none of it.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you, what a gem that sensational share was. I miss her.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you remember when Earl Hebner had an evil twin brother?

[Mike Ryan]

Of course. Dave Ebner. Dave, how much did. How much did they spend on the plastic surgery? How much did they spend.

[Amin Elhassan]

Dan, we're not the only ones who played this video. TMZ's sorry got a little bit more reach than we do. So us playing this video is not exactly going to be the thing that makes Tony Romo feel like, oh, my God, I feel betrayed.

[Chris Cody]

What's fair?

[Dan Le Batard]

You already did the thing where you're like, I don't feel good about this, so just play it. You did it. That's what. You did it.

[Chris Cody]

We did it. Out.

[Doug]

I really do think the shame of us saying it like the video is not that much worse than just saying,

[Dan Le Batard]

well, I did not know about the grandparents being dead for 20 years.

[Doug]

Well, how would you.

[Amin Elhassan]

The video is hilarious.

[Chris Cody]

I'm sorry.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's hilarious. Look, this is. Look, I don't want to ever, ever, ever get a dui.

[Doug]

That's a good, good take.

[Amin Elhassan]

But if I do, I hope the video is as hilarious as this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Amin Elhassan]

Like, I don't want there, because there are a lot of times where it's sad. Like the Tiger woods one. That was sad. I was like, God damn, this isn't sad.

[Doug]

Yeah, right. I was just on the phone with the President.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, this one's funny.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're sad for Tony Roma This Is good.

[Chris Cody]

This isn't sad.

[Dan Le Batard]

I read awful announcing. Didn't you fire him yesterday?

[Amin Elhassan]

You fired?

[Chris Cody]

No, I said that if they want to get out from under that contract, this kind of embarrassment can get you fired.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you're just asking the questions again.

[Chris Cody]

What's unfair? Wait a minute. What's unfair about that? Doesn't that seem like if you embarrass your company publicly, it's a fireable offense sometimes, depending on how much they do or don't want you around, you know,

[Dan Le Batard]

you want to play the video.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you, I was watching Zeus as a kid because it was right after no holds barred came out. I'm like, holy. They got the real Zeus. All right, Because I don't know if you saw no holds barred. It's. It's not a great movie. But they got Zeus to come and be in the main event of SummerSlam.

[Dan Le Batard]

Howdy, folks. It's Mike Ryan. You know, the Lebitard show and Miller Lite go way back. Pretty much. I want to say, like 95% of our existence, we've been partnered with Miller Light and we believe in Miller Lite. They believe in us. It's great to have a partner with a product you truly love. That's me with Miller Lite. I love Miller Lite. Always have. In fact, I consider myself a bit of a Miller Time mvp. The friend who says, they've got it. I'll pick the spot, I'll throw the cooler in the trunk, bring some Miller Lite, and suddenly what was supposed to be a couple of hours turns into a whole afternoon. That's me, the Miller Time mvp. And it's great for summer. Hangs cools the body down that beautiful white can. Not much better than an ice cold Miller Lite because it's brewed for taste with simple ingredients. Clean, refreshing, and easy to drink in the Miami heat. An all American summer starts with an all American beer Miller lite. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Tony, you know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks?

[Mike Ryan]

I know it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, it's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for. But it's because Tony usually walks in with Cuervo. Walking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuervo is A thing that turns hanging out into this is the Night. It has that effect on people.

[Mike Ryan]

It does.

[Dan Le Batard]

You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hootin and hollerin'. Keep it Cuervo. Keep it Cuervo, baby.

[Chris Cody]

Priceline negotiator.

[Doug]

It's me, the Priceline negotiator. We don't need the jingle twice.

[Amin Elhassan]

What about a third time?

[Doug]

Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights and rental cars.

[Chris Cody]

Seems like you decided.

[Doug]

Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app.

[Amin Elhassan]

Time to be the tagline.

[Dan Le Batard]

Fine.

[Doug]

No one deals more deals than Priceline. Please stop Priceline.

[Dan Le Batard]

Touche.

[Chris Cody]

Priceline.

[Doug]

Priceline.

[Chris Cody]

Down Levitar. Mike Bryan's in there, and he's the one with a baby. He's the one who's got to, like, worry about what the future is. And Mike Ryan bet on DraftKings because Mike Ryan bet on us. This is the bet you're afraid of doubling down on putting up a billboard in Edmonton.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike Ryan. I care more about Matthew Tkachuk than I do my daughter.

[Chris Cody]

This is the Dan Levitar show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Seth Zeus looks like Debo.

[Mike Ryan]

I know.

[Doug]

That is Devo. No.

[Amin Elhassan]

Jesus.

[Dan Le Batard]

You guys are that dumb.

[Chris Cody]

Play the video. Well, I live in Dallas, so I came in.

[Doug]

Grandma.

[Chris Cody]

Grandpa. So we're here, but I got the gore. You got the what? The gore you said.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that's what it is for you.

[Amin Elhassan]

Cross it.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. Yes, I got what you're saying.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you were coming from Grandma and Grandpa.

[Chris Cody]

What did you say? It's really hard to hear you, dude. I. I can't hear you either.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, I know.

[Chris Cody]

We gotta basically yell at each other, right? I'm yelling at you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ok. All right.

[Chris Cody]

Where are you coming from? The golf course.

[Amin Elhassan]

And I'm going to be Grandma.

[Chris Cody]

Grandpa.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Chris Cody]

All right. I wasn't laughing at him. I'm laughing at the wrestling video in the corner that's playing. I'm watching. I'm trying to concentrate on. On a. On a vid. On a video I'm seeing and hearing for the first time. I'm trying to consume what he's saying. And then I truly am mortified when he says Grandma and Grandp, when I've already got the knowledge from Zaz is, oh, no, that. That is something that died 20 years ago. And so he's I'm trying to hear that. I hear golf course because I got distracted by the cocaine wrestling. That is not an acceptable thing to do to me when I'm consuming. I'm genuine when I'm telling you I don't want to embarrass this man publicly. Play the video for me. Let me watch the video. And then what happens? Wrestling videos that are meant to distract me.

[Dan Le Batard]

In that entire video, he also explains to the. The officer that pulled him, he's just coming back from the golf course and he tries to name drop a USGA amateur event as if it means anything. Which got me thinking. Top five worst places you could tell an officer you were before being pulled over on suspicion of a dui. Oh, lie.

[Chris Cody]

So wait, I. I didn't hear that part. Cause I was distracted by the rest.

[Dan Le Batard]

Play that part. But he. He tries to name drop the USGA amateur golf tournament that was happening in town as like, you know, this is a little impressive, but also just a terrible idea when you're trying to convince somebody that you haven't been out drinking the entire time. So I created a top five worst places to tell an officer that you were at before being pulled over on a suspicion of dui.

[Amin Elhassan]

Wait a sec. So let me sit this up again. So you're in your car, cop behind you. You know why I stopped you today? Oh, I'm sorry, sir. Whatever. And he says, have you been drinking? You say I was.

[Dan Le Batard]

No. When they asked me, like, have you been drinking? You know, a little here or there.

[Amin Elhassan]

Where are you coming from?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oli.

[Mike Ryan]

A bar?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Don't say that.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is free legal advice.

[Amin Elhassan]

Never say you're.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't say that you're out of in order.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but that's all a lie.

[Chris Cody]

But okay, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Outside looking in bar. Bad, but not quite top five bad. If you're trying to convince somebody you haven't been out drinking all day. Number five, a chalet. Number four, Greg Cody's garage. Number three. I've been out on the boat. Rookie move, Dan. You ever told somebody been out on a boat? Yeah, don't do that. You've probably done number two. I was out with Charles Barkley.

[Amin Elhassan]

No chance.

[Dan Le Batard]

And number one, golf course.

[Chris Cody]

Never do that.

[Dan Le Batard]

But it was a pro am.

[Chris Cody]

So you guys, I didn't catch that part or may have missed it because this wrestling in picture. In picture is hypnotizing television. And if everyone on the Internet isn't gathered around what's presently playing on our screen.

[Amin Elhassan]

Hulk Hogan.

[Chris Cody]

The Internet has failed at understanding what good Content is. But I am distracted as I'm trying to. It's not a d. Look at Brother Love. It's an oui. It's an oui. And I wasn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's owi.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, sorry. Thank you. I don't know what the terminology is. I don't also know if those were drinks or did. Did they cut any other video out? Because I did read something about a back exercise and so I haven't. I've read the story, but not seen the video. Was that in there and did I miss it? Distracted by wrestling or is it.

[Mike Ryan]

Zeus is blocking the steel cage. Hogan has a steel cage match with big boss man, but Zeus is blocking the entrance to the cage. And you're going to see he chops down the Hulkster. It was very scary.

[Doug]

We don't have the video of this, but Romo, when asked to do field tests, he was like, let me stretch my back out first.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was just a series of things that you shouldn't do to call attention to how much you've been drinking.

[Chris Cody]

Chris.

[Amin Elhassan]

I wish he stretched like that. He grabs the hood of the car, bends over and then starts like lifting his knee side to side like a decent back stretch.

[Doug]

Actually, it is.

[Amin Elhassan]

I just did it right now and it feels really good. As I was demonstrating, like, oh my God, maybe I should stop ridiculing this guy. Take some hints.

[Doug]

Well, he was doing this stupid. Wow, this feels great.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, he was doing that. Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. And if I may just in retrospect, because. Well, the reason I want to look at this is because I haven't now seen the video. And so I don't know if I can actually apply an empath's compassion to any of this when my immediate thought is if he. This person's physical body. Cuz he might as well have played with the dinosaurs. Is such that whatever he needs to medicate the pain. Cuz his back doesn't feel right. I'm guessing he's walking around in retirement in a great deal of pain on that golf course.

[Dan Le Batard]

There he is. That's classic Dan. Right now, we're the bad guys. All right, here for the empathy, here's a video that'll make you feel bad for Tony Romo. This is before his field sobriety test. He's asked a question. Now spot where you can see he has a flashback to all of his concussions. Any head injuries? Excuse me, Any head injuries recently?

[Mike Ryan]

Any concussions?

[Doug]

Well,

[Chris Cody]

over the years, yes, but not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you could see. He actually went down to check for the Play, too.

[Mike Ryan]

At one point, the main source of the feud, Dan Hogan, got top billing in the movie no Holds Barred. Zeus thought he should have gotten top billing, so that's why he showed up to wwf and he teamed with Macho to fight Hogan and, yes, Buddhist Beefcake at SummerSlam. It was about getting top billing on the movie.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not kidding you, Amin, when I tell you that video. If I were making a sports museum about how it is to tell the story of football in 2026, that video is a work of art on the quarterback being confused about his concussions. Because if you know it's Tony Romo, the answer to that question is, hey, lady, I've had a million of them.

[Amin Elhassan]

You know what the crazy thing is? As I'm looking at him in that clip, I'm looking at his hair, and I've had this theory for years, and no one seems to buy in with me, but I fully believe it. He has drunk hair. Yeah, like drunk hair is a thing. He didn't do anything. It's just he's had so much alcohol, his hair became intoxicated as well. And look at it. It's just like, kind of sitting there.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, this is a fascinating observation. I don't think we're getting any.

[Amin Elhassan]

Look at it. We're zooming in on him. Look at it.

[Dan Le Batard]

That guy's been at the shot.

[Doug]

All right, we've gone too far. This is the point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Straight. Straight from Greg Cody's garage.

[Doug]

I was having fun, and now it's too much.

[Chris Cody]

I knew that you guys were gonna do this to me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

You make me look like such a hip.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's so messed up that you did this. Dan lebaton.

[Amin Elhassan]

Awful. Announcing tomorrow's gonna have a field day. Dan Levatard ridicules and laughs at Tony Romo's misfortunes.

[Dan Le Batard]

We have no idea the pain that he's been through.

[Chris Cody]

The problem with my argument is that

[Dan Le Batard]

his grandparents have been dead for 20 years.

[Mike Ryan]

Now, later on in 1989, very predictably, Zeus had a price. And that price, of course, came from the Million Dollar Man. The Million Dollar man bought Zeus's services, and it was the Million Dollar Team versus the Hulkamaniacs at Survivor Series.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, I want to talk about only facts, but I can't dispute that. What you have got me on is he did absolutely have drunk hair. He would be convicted by a jury of his peers. We don't need a breathalyzer. You just seized on something that is better than any DUI test. He absolutely had Drunk hair.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's never led me wrong. Yeah, that theory has never led me wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's also not reckless because he was indeed drunk.

[Chris Cody]

Well, I don't know whether that drug or. We don't know what that was. We don't know. He seemed. It could be concussions.

[Dan Le Batard]

We know that it was. All right, fine. He said golf course. Did you not listen to top five?

[Chris Cody]

You know, Tony Romy?

[Dan Le Batard]

I said football, golf course. We all know what happens.

[Amin Elhassan]

You guys said his grandparents are dead, but everyone has four grandparents. We know grandparents on both sides report

[Dan Le Batard]

is that all sides of grandparents are deceased. Tough look, but again, she doesn't know that. You know genealogy. 23. He didn't flash his smile when he said grandma's house. Like, come on, charm. It was a bluff.

[Amin Elhassan]

Charming dude, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

It seemed like, come on, what are we doing?

[Doug]

I feel like if I lost all my grandparents and I had like, let's say, like, a friend of my grandma, I might start calling her grandma.

[Dan Le Batard]

He could be going to our grandma's house.

[Doug]

Somebody that's just super close to him. That's kind of filled that gap.

[Amin Elhassan]

Also, as someone who has all their grandparents who died either before I was born or when I was a very small child, it feels like the kind of lie that I would turn to early and often especially. But this is the way you use it. He did it in a different way of I'm going to go see them. I do it in the I'm sorry my grandmother died.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Amin Elhassan]

Which is true. It just happened five years ago.

[Doug]

You got to go with. I got to take a.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also.

[Doug]

That's what you go with there.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're approaching Owen Wilson. We're not that young age. You can't be using the grandparents at that.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, but I just want to stop you guys because I do think we're being unfair here. Do none of you refer to your parents as abuelo and abuela?

[Dan Le Batard]

You refer to them if you have kids. That would be really weird for you to do.

[Chris Cody]

No, but you understand what I'm saying though, right?

[Doug]

I do call. I call my dad pop to my daughter.

[Chris Cody]

Is it possible that he said he's coming from his folks house, but he said he calls them grandparents now because they're all right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

Perhaps.

[Chris Cody]

Perhaps.

[Dan Le Batard]

There you go. You're always fair. That's what I like about.

[Amin Elhassan]

You know what? That's true. I do call. I just thought about it. I call my parents grandma and grandpa in Arabic. But that's because, like, I'm around my kids all the time and so that's what they call. You know what, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

Great job.

[Amin Elhassan]

The world's greatest empath is not as he the self proclaimed usurper Dick Dan. It is Dan Levatar. Give a round of applause.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can't. I gotta wrist them now.

[Doug]

Are his parents still with us? That's an important factor here.

[Amin Elhassan]

God damn.

[Mike Ryan]

The feud came to its conclusion in December of 89 when Zeus teamed back up with Macho King. And at the Noel Holds barred, not movie pay per view, it was Zeus and Macho against Hogan and Beefcake. But this time in a steel cage match.

[Dan Le Batard]

I gotta stop you. You say that was the end of the feud? Are you not familiar with when Zeus popped up on WCW Monday, Nitro?

[Mike Ryan]

I know, Dan, just like you were about to say. That was when he went by the name of Z Gangsta.

[Amin Elhassan]

So his parents are alive?

[Doug]

Both are alive. His dad's name's Ramiro.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, he's Mexican.

[Amin Elhassan]

Abuelo Ramiro heard someone call it white privilege. I'm like, he's not white.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, come on. He's Mexican.

[Chris Cody]

Come on, Tony Abuelo Ramiro.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm telling you, Ramiro Rami.

[Chris Cody]

He's still alive. We've been unfair to Tony Romo with a grant. Zaz said, oh no. Zaz goes, oh no. Because then the assumption is made, Romo's lying about his dead grandparents. But it might just be that Abuelo Chamito is being slandered.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was a great rhetorical trick by you. You should have used that with the cop.

[Mike Ryan]

Z Gangster teamed up with a guy called the Ultimate Solution. I don't like that name.

[Chris Cody]

How did he spell Z Gangster? How was that spelled?

[Dan Le Batard]

Zed Gangster.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, so it was just a Z. It wasn't Zee.

[Mike Ryan]

It was just Z Gangster.

[Chris Cody]

Did he have on his trunks a Z or something?

[Dan Le Batard]

Or he was just famously.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay,

[Dan Le Batard]

what was the ultimate solutions gimmick?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know, man. I don't like that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Come on.

[Dan Le Batard]

A uniform or.

[Amin Elhassan]

That sounds like something else.

[Dan Le Batard]

By the way, it was a bad period for wrestling names in wcw.

[Chris Cody]

Down Levitar.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think. Strange. Strange for me, but like Mike Ryan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh boy.

[Chris Cody]

This is the Dan Levitar Show. Will you guys feel bad about killing the parents of Tony Romo and then killing Tony Romo because he would dare to call Pop and Grandma Pop, you know, grandpa instead of, you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know. We. We didn't kill Tony Romo. But also, it's kind of weird. You get pulled over to lean on the new name. That you have for your parents. That seems like a very formal thing. And I'm saying I was at my dad's.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, I could see. I could see making that mistake. Like you fall into that habit. Especially if maybe your mind isn't 100% clear because you're coming from a golf course and, you know, play football.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dame wasn't telling us what to think. He was just asking us if we'd like to.

[Doug]

Man, three and a half chicken sausages and a cafecito shot is not good for the tummy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, gotta take one of them.

[Doug]

I gotta.

[Amin Elhassan]

You can update the chat at some point, buddy.

[Doug]

I gotta take a walk.

[Amin Elhassan]

Been months.

[Doug]

It has. I found. I still keep. I still keep up. I've stopped putting the emote.

[Chris Cody]

Why do you guys do this? Why do you guys, like the height of self obsession that you insist on our platform of publicizing? The fact that you guys are always chatting while going to the bathroom. Like, I. I don't know why you guys think that's entertaining or entertainment in the chat or otherwise, but you love telling the public about your.

[Amin Elhassan]

Your.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry. Do you know Howie Mandel? He found it plenty interesting.

[Amin Elhassan]

Howie Mandel wants in. Howie.

[Mike Ryan]

Who are you?

[Chris Cody]

Who are you?

[Amin Elhassan]

Dan Levatard. You know what? I take back everything I said earlier. Who are you? Dan. Philly guys. Dave Danvershek. All y', all, I'm back on your side. Who is this Dan Lebatard to question the great Howie Mandel?

[Dan Le Batard]

The great Howie Mandel from Bobby's World

[Amin Elhassan]

wants in on the chat and you

[Chris Cody]

think it's therefore entertaining because he wants. He. This is your definition for why it is our audience should be burdened by the amount of time. Times you guys spend talking about the fact that you text each other while going to the bathroom.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay, let's do this.

[Chris Cody]

Not content. It's not good content.

[Amin Elhassan]

Let's play box plus minus. Right? In one box, I'm going to put on the ratings of America's Got Talent in the other box.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't forget dealer. No deal.

[Amin Elhassan]

The Art of Conversation.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, that's a low blow. That's a low.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, you wanted to play here.

[Doug]

Brad and Amin are tracking it by number. Amin took his 229 of the year this morning.

[Chris Cody]

You think that the art of conversation as a metaphor compares to your. While you're shitting. That's what you just said to me. As. As we continue to build the platform for you that makes you a Pulitzer winner?

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I'm comparing your show. The Art of Conversation to you. And then Howie Mandel to Deal or no Deal.

[Dan Le Batard]

I always got excited when the banker would call.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he was like.

[Amin Elhassan]

I never understood how that show worked.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was a mystery. It was just like, in the corner, like shadow. It was just a silhouette. It was like Arnold Schwarzenegger and True Lies when he was like, take off your clothes.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, well, he didn't. He didn't say it because he had.

[Dan Le Batard]

But then he had to rewind it, and then it was just in the same exact inflection. Take off your clothes.

[Amin Elhassan]

Did you know that him dropping the tape recorder not planned.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, really?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, man. James Cameron. Keep it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know we're allies and all that, but Jamie Lee Curtis looked good.

[Doug]

Today is the 211th day of the year, so a mean is slightly above one poop per day at 229 regular.

[Amin Elhassan]

Vegas. Vegas did some things to me.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, excellent. Thank you for the elaboration. Appreciate that. Appreciate you guys continuing this, the argument on behalf of how it is. This is good content, while it's not good content.

[Doug]

Where would you say you are on the year, Dan?

[Chris Cody]

I'm very regular.

[Dan Le Batard]

I rode the elevator that Arnold went into with the horse, and there is a plaque that celebrates that fact. It was pretty random. It's like that time I went to Memphis, Tennessee, and there was a subway shop that was featured in the Firm, the Tom Cruise early 90s vehicle. And it made that its entire identity. They were playing the Firm on tv and they're like, yes, welcome. We are the sub shop from the 1990s film The Firm.

[Amin Elhassan]

Completely inappropriate, but I thought Mike was gonna say, it's like that time went to Memphis, Tennessee, and I went to this motel and they had this whole plaque commemorating.

[Chris Cody]

I need to scrub this. Give me some sound that scrubs this. The last three minutes, please.

[Dan Le Batard]

Start of the day, start of the

[Chris Cody]

day it is the start of the

[Dan Le Batard]

day Start of the day Start of

[Chris Cody]

the day it is the start of

[Dan Le Batard]

the day Start of the day Start

[Chris Cody]

of the day it is the start

[Dan Le Batard]

of the day Start of the day

[Chris Cody]

Start of the day it is the

[Dan Le Batard]

start of the day Is there a plaque that says this is where we put Andrew Bogut on Tony Allen.

[Amin Elhassan]

I ran into Tony Allen at summer league, by the way. Oh, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he immediately slid his feet under your ankles.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, that's. That's Zaza.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on.

[Mike Ryan]

What are you doing there?

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a good defender.

[Mike Ryan]

I once went to the motel from Scarface, the Grindfather.

[Amin Elhassan]

Dan, I got two stats of the day for you. Do you want? It's One's a sports one. One is a semi local connection one. Which one do you want?

[Chris Cody]

I want the sports one.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay. So in the history of the NBA, 67 players have reached $250 million in guaranteed career earnings. Just in the entirety of the history of the NBA, 67 players have reached guaranteed career earnings of $250 million. Only one of the 67 has a career average of less than 10 points per game. Can you name the player?

[Chris Cody]

Okay, so this is stat or is a trivia question because this seems like a different game.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, that's a stat.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a stat. But you know what? I got a lot of notes for you. This segment not my favorite from you, is it Draymond?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh my God. He won.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow, you're good.

[Doug]

Thank you.

[Amin Elhassan]

Raymond Green. $250 million in career earnings. Only one average less than 10 points a game.

[Chris Cody]

And we'll go into the hall of Fame as the most unique defender to have ever played the sport. Correct. Either him or Rodman in terms of whatever it is. We don't know how we're measuring that. But he's able to guard people in a way that other human beings can't.

[Amin Elhassan]

Them too. And also Ben Wallace.

[Chris Cody]

That's the list for all time players. Not shot blockers necessarily, but when we undervalue that side of the ball. And when State looks at Draymond Green and says you were the furnace that fed all our championships during 10 years, they gave him a one year contract. Wildly polarizing figure. Wildly interesting figure. A modern athlete who you could absolutely downsize by questioning his offensive game. But centerpiece Superstar as a 10 point a game scorer for a team. We don't make many of those. Like Ben Wallace got to win one of those. Rodman became a cartoon character and got to be another but unique defender who gets to be celebrated for championship defense when he's not very good offensively. We do not turn those into stars very often.

[Dan Le Batard]

It seems as though to be celebrated as a defender, your offensive game can only be so good because Kawhi went healthy. Is probably in terms of perimeter defender. I mean, where do you rank him? Like all time great.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. No, Quiet was incredible. Kwai was.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's too good offensively to be in this conversation.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right. He. He grew. It's funny because he started as primarily a defensive player and then he grew into something much greater.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a three. He's a. A two way guy, right? Like he's not the great defender. He's a two way Guy. We put Klay Thompson there, we put

[Doug]

like other guys there, but.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but too good offensive isn't going to ever be fully appreciated because he's too good offense.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, but you even turn this conversation about defense and Draymond Green. This is as unique a personality and player as there's ever been. Like, I'm not even kidding you when I say to be a championship star when you are defensive emotional furnace, you cannot control your temper. You're a giant personality. You've got a giant media career ahead of you. And you weren't much of a scorer, but you decided one finals when you kicked somebody in the nuts so that LeBron James could win. And then in that finals, you scored 32 points in a game seven because they knew to guard everybody the hell else. Draymond Green's career is going to be remembered for things said and not done when what he's done doesn't have a whole lot of precedent.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, he's going to be remembered for the things that he does.

[Chris Cody]

Did you mean the other stuff, not the basketball stuff? Like as a. I mean, you've never seen a basketball player like this. There's never been one like this.

[Amin Elhassan]

So a couple other names that fit in this box. Dikembe Mutombo. You also have Bobby Jones who played for the Sixers.

[Mike Ryan]

So is the box like amazing defenders who were not skilled offensive players?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, it's like yes. Elite defensive players who offensively were, I guess, average at best.

[Mike Ryan]

At best because guys like Rodman was incompetent offensively.

[Amin Elhassan]

I wouldn't even say that because early in his career in Detroit, he was a good offensive player. And then at some point, like Dan said, he became a cartoon character who didn't really care about it. Vinnie Del Negro tells me this great story about like the first time they were practiced together in San Antonio. Vinnie misses a shot, Rodman grabs a rebound. He's right under the rim and he literally dribbles out 23ft to hand it back to Vinnie. And Vinnie says, hey, Dennis, you're right under the rim. Just go back up with it. And he said, I don't tell you how to do your job. Don't effing tell me how to do mine. And he's like, you didn't have to tell me twice.

[Mike Ryan]

San Antonio didn't work out.

[Amin Elhassan]

So. But it's funny that.

[Chris Cody]

Just a crazy person, it's funny that

[Amin Elhassan]

Tony was like, well, Kwai is kind of like, like Klay Thompson, like Paul George, these two way guys, right? Kawhi is the only one of those two way guys. Those guys are all great defensive players but Kawhi's the only one I would say rises to the level of elite. This guy might be the best defensive player in the league and also one of the best offense players but that's because I think for him that was what he was supposed to be coming out of college. He was supposed to be like defensive guy with a decent offensive game. He can maybe get you some shots here and there. I'm trying to think Jimmy Butler maybe a little bit but I don't think he was ever that good defensive. Jimmy was never as good defensively as Kawhi was at his peak.

[Chris Cody]

The reason though that I keep doing the precedent thing is we always undervalue defense. What a cartoonish personality Draymond Green had to be to become a superstar on sheer force of personality and defense. It really is making chicken salad out of chicken. We don't appreciate defense.

[Amin Elhassan]

What happened to Chris.