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David Sampson
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Dan LeBatard
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David Sampson
I can't believe what I'm about to tell you, and it's very simple.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go pee pee, go pee pee. Go pee pee. Go pee pee. Go pee pee.
David Sampson
Don't drop a deuce.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go pee pee, Go pee pee, go pee.
David Sampson
Hey toss.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go pee pee, don't drop a deuce.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
David Sampson seems delighted here we've only just begun. Karen Carpenter I was disturbed by how eager David Sampson was to have an orgy. I'm in as disturbed as I was by anything David Sampson has said or done since he mispronounced boobs in Spanish.
David Sampson
Hey, toss.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
His sound was sensual in a way that creeped us out.
David Sampson
I wasn't looking at his pecker.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
It was unpleasant.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go pee pee, Go pee pee. Go pee pee, go pee pee.
David Sampson
Hey toss, don't drop a deuce.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
It's just money.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go pee pee, go pee pee. Go pee pee, go pee pee.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Money gives him a boner.
Dan LeBatard
He's a shill for management, a shill for ownership.
David Sampson
That's a hard and fast rule.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Money excites him in a way that is pornographic.
David Sampson
Period. Let's not kid ourselves. Can we talk about dude wipes? No, I it to pee.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Always that that echoing and evil laugh at the end.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
David Sampson is with us now.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Nice to see you, David. Nothing Personal is the name of the podcast. You're coming in off of a rough awards week. The Pablo Torre Finds out show. You must be heartbroken to have not won An Emmy as well. It's strange that you guys would be good enough to win a Pulitzer but lose the sports Emmy. Were you crushed by that this week? Do you love awards as much as Pablo does?
David Sampson
Oh, I think it's yes. I was very disappointed. We're Pulitzer Prize winning podcasters. You have a Pulitzer Prize winning show, you'd think that we'd get the sports Emmy for sure. And when our name was not called out, I was sort of. I thought I had it wrong. I thought it was in the bag. I had the speech prepared. I had names. Your name was third in line to mention and ready. And then all of a sudden, here's the problem with awards. When you don't win them, it feels worse than how good you feel when you do win them. And that is a really bad position to be in because you're supposed to be happy with the nomination. And for me, it wasn't good enough.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Is that true what he's saying right there? Do you guys believe that to be true, what he just said, that it hurts more to lose an award than it feels good to win an award?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Interesting. Interesting question.
David Sampson
Dan. I. I got to talk to you a little bit about that intro because I wasn't aware that Cody had been bowling on lane 34 last night. I'm also not fully aware whether he expected me to respond to his text at 1:41am that I responded to at 1:43am with, hey, how about this? As the intro. And I responded and then he didn't respond. And now I know why. He must have just passed out.
Dan LeBatard
It was so, Cody, it was 140 in the morning. Yes, you are. Of anyone in my life, I know I can text you at these times. You're always up. That's why, like, I would not text most people at that time. But you. I can.
David Sampson
It was no problem. But then you didn't respond to my response. I went to sleep.
Dan LeBatard
David, that was like a text of like, can I play this for you? And then I'm going to go to sleep now because it's 1:40.
David Sampson
That's like falling asleep in the middle of a conversation or in the middle of sex. You just don't do it.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
David's right.
David Sampson
Finished. You got.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
There has to be like at least a 5 to 10 minute buffer where you allow him to respond because maybe he's going to respond with a question of his own.
Dan LeBatard
Texts are like emails. Like, I just sent it, I put it there. I'll check it when I like texts.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Right?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Plus, you know that David is a quick responder, so you got to give him three five minutes.
Public Service Announcer
Thank you for your service.
David Sampson
No, no, I responded immediately, Greg. What I'm saying is when a text conversation ends, it ends with a thumbs up. It ends with an okay. It ends with a see tomorrow. It ends with something. Not just ask a question and then the answer comes and then you leave it be. So I'm basically up all night waiting to hear, is there an edit coming in? Do I have to be prepared for something? And crickets on the phone.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Yep, I hear you. I'm on you. I'm, I'm, I'm on Team David here. I got to go against Chris.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Chris, you fell asleep in a drunken stupor while David is staring at his phone waiting for three dots.
Dan LeBatard
Drunken stupor was creating imaging was working.
David Sampson
I just wish you had told me, Chris. All you have to do is say, because normally I get a text at 1:41. I'm thinking, all right, there's something to do here. Turns out it was just an end of drunk text. I thought I wanted it to be like a during drunk.
Dan LeBatard
I thought of that fruit platter or $22 in quarters question last night at 1.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Terrible question.
Dan LeBatard
I was working
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
just the terrible question. I can't believe you had all night and that's what you came up with for uncomfortable question whether I'd want $22 or fruit. Like, I just don't.
Dan LeBatard
I think I had one more.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
How much did you smoke last?
Dan LeBatard
I had one more. Are we talking? Are we talking just by eating it?
David Sampson
A lot?
Dan LeBatard
Another one. I wrote, I got another one for you in that same vein. Eating nachos or 15 minutes of good meditation.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Oh, I know that answer. Gotta have the nachos.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Well, I've only reached good meditation one time and I'd rather have that than
Dan LeBatard
I can get you with that.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
What does that even mean? Good medit.
David Sampson
I got David, though.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Lawyer')
David, you got it. You got to send a hundred back, Chris. At least 100.
Dan LeBatard
100 emoji.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
You guys are built very differently, though. On you guys. The room seems divided on what's proper text etiquette here at 2:00 clock in the morning. I don't follow any good text etiquette. I'm always up. So what is the correct way? Because it seems like you guys are all divided on this.
Dan LeBatard
Well, I feel like you know your audience like I know David. Like, I won't text everybody at that late, but I know David's up a lot. I know he's probably not going to get awoken from.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
That's why you should have waited for response because you know he's up if I text you Chris, at 1:40 in the morning because I want you to see it when you wake up. I don't have to wait for our
Dan LeBatard
text was very like. I asked him a question, he answered it like what do I need to do there? Of like. Okay, David, I've seen your response.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Oh, so you saw his response this
Dan LeBatard
morning when I woke up?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
No, no, no. You couldn't even wait two minutes for a response.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Give him a thumbs up.
Dan LeBatard
140 in the morning.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
My thumbs up.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
You know he's going to be away.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
Two minutes is a long time for you sleepy.
Dan LeBatard
I had just said if you want to know for real, I had just showered. A late night post bowling shower. So I don't do it in the morning. He always wins. Yeah, I took a shower. So I was in the nude on my bed texting David, how about that?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
David, how about that?
Dan LeBatard
I was nude.
David Sampson
I changed my mind. I do not want a response from nude Chris. I retract everything I said as a matter of fact, I'm only upset that I responded at all now given I didn't know he was drunk, I didn't know he was high, and I sure as hell didn't know he was butt naked. Oh God, I totally screwed it up last night. I should have let it go. Do you know that there's a thing you can do which is save for later. You could have sent the text but had it delivered like it's 7am when you're prepared to hear the response what
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
you're talking about, like scheduling text.
David Sampson
That is a thing, birthday girl. You can schedule texts. I do that all the time. I will send texts to people in increments with what I think will be a response to their response before they respond. So then I don't actually have to respond when they respond because it's already been scheduled, Dave.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
So you've got seven different texts at six different times in the day predicting their. You're like I chat.
David Sampson
Chat David.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
GPT just sitting there like I'm going
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
to rep
David Sampson
think about how great a time saver it is. I don't have to look for the three dots. I don't have to think about anything during the day when I want to watch a movie or I want to go running. I can do all my texting late at night.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
But Dave, what about no one knows
David Sampson
because you schedule it for later.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
What about spontaneity? Somebody replies with something you weren't expecting. All of a sudden your draft that you send seems stupid.
Public Service Announcer
He's wide awake, though.
David Sampson
No, I love where your head's at. Except the conversations I do that with only have certain responses, so it's not like I'm asking someone, hey, what are your plans for Saturday night? And then I'll schedule the response. Okay, let's see a movie. That is a clear yes or no. But if I know that there is a plan for Saturday night, here's a great example I just did. We have planned Saturday night and I will say, do you want to see a movie? And then I will respond, scheduled, I'd like to see Devil Wears Prada. Then I'll respond in it's showing at Sag Harbor Theater at 3:45pm and then I'll say I can get a dinner reservation post movie at this restaurant, which, by the way, I already will have had. And now I've made the whole plan before anyone's responded.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
You're actually a great date organizer.
David Sampson
Well, it just saves time.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
David, have you ever done this predictive text scheduling with someone in this room?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Lawyer')
Don't answer that. I'm your lawyer. Don't answer that.
David Sampson
Yeah, thank you. The reason I'm not going to answer that is that I've been told that I need to not answer that. But there are certain people who it's easy to do it with. Someone for example you can never do with is Dan. Because Dan's texting doesn't follow any sort of through line.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Right.
David Sampson
And he'll just text about something. You'll be in a conversation where you expect what will be next, and then he'll ask you something totally different so you get caught immediately if you're not doing it in real time.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Yeah. So when you guys were talking, the thing I was thinking about, you just taught me that a text is different than an email. I send it in the sky and don't think about when it's going to be responded to. Don't care when it's going to be responded to.
David Sampson
That's why you're you and why it's so frustrating.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
But no one around here responds to it either, though. Like, that's the other part of it.
David Sampson
Like that, that I can help you.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Juju and Samson, I'm going to say and says, maybe Cody, you'll go.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
You'll.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
You'll go days without. Like, I don't think of a text as anything but an email. It's something you just fart into the
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
sky and if it comes back it comes back. If it doesn't come back, it doesn't come back.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Hey, look what replaced the telephone so
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
that people can have no human connection whatsoever.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
Fart in the sky.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Just fart in the sky and get on with your life. Doesn't matter. Like I don't expect somebody to actually latch onto my fart in the sky.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Now, every text deserves a response. And let me tell you this, David. Every text deserves a live response, not a scheduled response. I'm going to. I'm going to part from my backing you here because I don't like the scheduled response.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
But what Sampson is saying sounds like the. That sounds like the mind of a serial killer.
David Sampson
That.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
That's pathological, psychological. I don't know, Samson. That's totally crazy. I don't think anybody in the world is doing what you're doing.
David Sampson
Faking up send later.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
No, doing.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
He's predicting a conversation.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
I'm not talking about send later. You're doing something so pathologically AI that you're working like a computer to appear like a being on a computer.
David Sampson
I'm doing it so I have more free time. But to no one really understand why you're comparing me to a serial killer. I'm not eating anybody.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
No one that's a cannibal. I haven't accused you of that yet when what you're saying. I don't believe any. I don't believe anybody in our audience. Anybody in our audience sends nine different send letter emails or texts to somebody assuming just to pretend like they're making contact while they're going running. Unless they're like having an affair and need to hide something from somebody. Like, I don't think that's your send
David Sampson
later is not for affairs.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
No.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Do you understand?
David Sampson
That's what signal is for Tony.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
You know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks.
I know it well. It's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
You usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Cuervo.
David Sampson
I walk in like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
Cuervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.
It has that effect on people.
David Sampson
It does.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering.
David Sampson
Keep it Cuervo.
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David Sampson
Don LeBatard.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go peevey.
David Sampson
Stugats.
Go Pee Pee Voice
Go peevey.
David Sampson
This is the Don Levatard show with the stugats.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Foreign.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Do I have anything wrong here? That like, do you think another person in our audience is behaving this way on email?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
No, I mean it. It really does track. David, with everything that people believe about you, which is that you're like cold, calculating like the man. Like AI. Like not a hu. Not a human being.
David Sampson
Oy vay. I. I trist. I appreciate the.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
I'm not saying I believe that. I'm just saying that's your brand. I have a different. I don't mean that to be now that you know we know each other. But before we met I was like, yeah, this guy.
David Sampson
Well, don't judge a book by its cover. What a great example right then and there.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
But that now you're doing the thing that kind of like propagates the brand. Like you got to stop doing that.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
That's true. Oh, we could use a makeover here as you true to power. Like you telling him how to be more of a human being. There's a marketing arm. She can make you more human, David. She could if you'd listen to her.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
I could do it really fast too.
David Sampson
No, but Trista, I believe. But I don't think your top 10 ways to help me would be in my text etiquette. I believe you would go to the low hanging fruit which is trying to help me in ways that I know I need help. I didn't think you'd view my efficiency as something that is help worthy.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Lawyer')
Dave, did you see the father from the crash documentary has been placed on administrative leave after his school saw the documentary.
David Sampson
No, I did not. We just talked about that on the show recently. I can't remember when it may have been last week. What is the update? Juju, why did. Why did they place them on administrative leave?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Lawyer')
They're not given too many details but they were not happy with his appearance and some of the things he was saying on that. Especially wearing the boom shirt, bro. Like that was not in great class.
David Sampson
That whole story we is throwback through line to last week. It just gets crazier and crazier. I was going to review a movie today that was even crazier than that because I'm really into these movies now. These documentaries which are teaching me stuff. Trista, I'm trying to learn and improve and evolve and I can't Believe the insanity that exists in this world. Stuff that I would not even think about. And yet Dan accuses me of being a serial killer.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
You did let Ali lick your hand. And it did feel like that was a breakthrough moment for you.
David Sampson
That was a very big moment. And I recall that, actually. Because I was stuck, Trista. Here's what I was stuck with. I didn't want you. We had just met, and I didn't want to prove to you that everything that you knew about me was true that quickly. So I had to go to a place of total discomfort and allow a dog to lick my hand, all in the name of fomenting a relationship. What you didn't see is what happened, after which I had to double wash and triple sanitize. But I still viewed it as growth.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
You know what? That's. If that's not love, David, I don't know what is.
David Sampson
Hold on. I have a little tear in my eye.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
It's so much work to be him. It really is. To try and figure out. I really don't think that this is normal human behavior to send seven emails into 18 hours later. Text, whatever texts. Pretending to be having a conversation with somebody even though you're not actually there. That you're 18 hours ahead of the day on.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Trying to fake being human. Do I have this wrong?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Lawyer')
Yes. I think it's very efficient. And he ain't sending this to his significant other. This is for y' all broke boys who don't deserve his time. I'm a schedule that.
David Sampson
No, juju. That is not true. It is mostly to my significant other, number one. Oh, wow. Because it's very predictable in certain ways. Number two, it is not about money. It really is not. To me, it's just about time. And it's about certainty. I don't do this when you're. When you're negotiating a business deal or when you're doing anything like that juju at all. I do the multiple send later when it is a very matter of fact predictable conversation. Please don't paint it incorrectly, Dan.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
What if she texts you randomly, hey, how you feeling about a threesome? And then you have hell no already pre responded and now you're.
David Sampson
No, no. I love where your head's at. Because I've thought about that and I've gamed it out. Here's the answer. If you get a response that is so off track, you come clean with what you've done. Because it's so worth it to admit it. Because you're about to get something better. If I'm offered a threesome and I've shut the door because of my pre scheduled texts, which she doesn't know about. I'm gonna totally cop to the pre scheduled text just so I can then say I'm all in for the threesome.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
But now you're the threesome's out the door because you've revealed the pre scheduled text messages.
David Sampson
No, no, I. That's apples and oranges. If someone is game for a threesome, they're not going to be dissuaded from that by a simple tech schedule. Now they could be dissuaded by a beer belly. They could be dissuaded by other bad personality traits or physical traits. But if they're in to start with, then you don't ruin it with just a pre schedule.
Dan LeBatard
You've reached the threesome quota for the show.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Tony')
Thank you, Dave. There's some sort of like sign modern day Seinfeld episode in that where George is scheduling text and all of a sudden he gets a request for a manager twine.
David Sampson
He's like, Jerry, I scheduled the text, I couldn't change it.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
It's a great point.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
It just seems insane to me.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
I don't think I'm overreacting when I it.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
You must. It just must be hard being you
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
if you have to put this degree of thought into every transaction.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
It's very clinical.
David Sampson
Well, yeah, it's not that hard actually, Dan. I think it's harder to be you who's all over the place and disorganized and can't be anywhere on time, doesn't know where he's going to be one particular day to the next, can't figure out what to do with his animals. I think it's way harder to be you than it is to be me.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Well, David, the only reason I think it's crazy, the only reason I think it's weird is that the whole act of texting takes a matter of seconds. I don't know about you, but when I send a text I usually dictate it. It takes five seconds, right?
David Sampson
Do you know that five seconds adds up just 12 of those moments and you've got yourself an extra minute. You do 24 of those and you've got two minutes. You know what you can do with two minutes as you sound like me savings.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
You know about that two minutes.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
How do you know I need two whole minutes?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
Sound like Tom Dundon over here.
Dan LeBatard
Dan doesn't take how come the Lakers
David Sampson
fired everyone and no one cares? How come that Dundon goes to Portland fires some people. It's front page news. Yesterday the Dodgers, the Lakers fire half their front office and no one cares.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
Well, he waited a year. This guy waited 60 days. He's efficient like you. He pre scheduled the firings.
David Sampson
It seems smart. And his team, by the way, Stanley, his team may be in the Stanley cup there, I think a game away, guys. Which means something's got to be going right in Carolina. I'm just saying. And what Mark Walter was doing in la, whether it took him a year or not is debatable. It could have been part of the initial contract that he had the right to combine the two front office operations. I think it's just good business. It's what Wayne Huizenga tried to do when he owned all the teams in Florida back in the day. You guys are all, you may all remember that, but it turns out the economies of scale with only multiple teams are not as great as one thinks going into it.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Oh, let me backtrack on that because I don't have the sophistication to actually know if what he said was just true. But you're the one guy in the national media siding with Dundon. You think that his way of being cheap, the only reputation that people have of the new owner of the Portland Trailblazers, the only thing they know, is that he was also cheap, being cold about how he built the Carolina hurricane. So you're here to defend him because
David Sampson
I haven't heard anything I think you got to listen to. I know you're busy, but I'm nothing personal. I covered this extensively, so I'll just review part of it. He lied to you about some stuff and he was honest about other stuff. He is lying to you when he tells you that he had people check out of the hotel. I don't know if you saw that, but he required people to check out at a certain time before the team bus and they were sitting in the lobby. I explained to our audience and I'll explain to yours, that's not how it works. When a sports team travels, you get every room until whatever time the team bus leaves. That is part of the contract that the team has with the hotel. There is no late checkout fee. There is no early check in fee. The rooms are ready whenever you get to your hotel, whether it's 5am or 1pm, your rooms are ready. And when you leave, whether it's an afternoon game or a nighttime game, you get your room until then. So that comment that he made was wrong. But the comment about trying to trim Fat in a front office makes a lot of sense to me.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
I haven't heard you're, you're Portland based. Trista, like, have you heard anybody come out in defense? Once a narrative on cheap gets thrown around and it's provable, it's impossible. Empirical, with the Carolina Hurricanes, I haven't heard a whole lot of people defending it. And I hate when we don't have the ammunition to come at David because he knows more about business than we do. Can he be corrected on anything he's saying in defense of a Portland owner that is getting only bad press even as he takes one team toward the championship?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
Well, what I would say is this. I think the NHL is very different than the NBA. Like NHL is more of a. Not an individualistic culture, right? You have guys like with bones popping out of their shin, they've got, you know, torn ACLs, MCLs, they're out there playing the NBA. Is the lifestyle like the. You want to be an NBA player partly because of the lifestyle. That is the life, right? And the people that are working in the NBA, in the front office, they could be doing a myriad of other things for a lot more money, working for brands, doing partnerships. But they are with the NBA because of the cachet, because of the lifestyle, because of everything that comes along with it. And if Dundon wants to trim the fat, I believe that will be a talent drain. I'd love to get your thoughts on that.
David Sampson
You don't ever want to do a talent drain when you trimming the fat. And talent drain is an oxymoron, Those two. When you do layoffs like that, you're either laying off because of budgets, in which case you go to the highest paid people, which in many cases are the players. Obviously, one player you get rid of is more than, you know, 15 people in the front office. But trimming the fat is when you have four people in corporate sales for four teams all calling on the same company in la. And instead you only need two people because they can do it for the Lakers and the Dodgers. So of course you're going to let go of two people. So any sort of situation like that, that's what I would call trimming the fat. And you just have to be smart about who you choose because no one wants to talent drain. You want to do the opposite, actually.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
But if you're there three months, two months, and you're coming from a completely different sport, completely different industry, how do you even have the knowledge to know
David Sampson
what the fat is during due diligence? Trista you have met with the existing officers in the company. You have gotten a list of every employee, what their salary is. You've gotten their reviews as part of due diligence, and you've spoken to their bosses. So you don't come up with, oh, we should fire Joe Smith in corporate sales. That's not what Dundon did. He would get the names from people saying, here is your job. You've got to cut blank dollars out of your budget. Where would you cut it from? It's not him looking at a name on a oh, I don't like the way that name sounds. We'll fire that person. That's just an overly simplistic way to look at it. But of course, mistakes can be made, because anytime your boss wants you fired, there could be personal reasons, there could be lack of performance reasons. Who knows? But a new owner of any company comes in and has to rely on existing management.
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David Sampson
Dan Lebatar Taytas Stugats Taytas. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
So Samson, I've told you again and again, exceptional on all of the business stuff. Nothing personal covers that well. But he's also very good on baseball. And it's a pretty cool time in baseball, David, when you've got Christopher Sanchez throwing 44⅓ scoreless innings. I mean he's going to approach some rarefied air soon on just nobody can hit him. While Ohtani goes two straight starts, leadoff home run and then no hitter and scoreless innings because his ERA is under one and he can win the Cy Young. When you talk about this, this era of mastery in baseball, what are you most awed by?
David Sampson
I'm odd by the fact that we're not teaching people how to hit anymore. That's the fact we don't have a two strike approach. We have people swinging out of their asses because that's how they get paid. They get paid for launch angle, launch launch angle and exit velocity. They don't get paid for situational hitting. And that makes me sound like a grumpy old man and I don't mean to be. I'm trying to win games and score runs. Now what Christopher Sanchez is doing. You're right, Dan. It's only happened one other time since 2000, since 1913, one other time. Greg Cody, Oral Hershiser, it's the only other pitcher who ever went to calendar month without giving up an earned run ever.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Crazy.
David Sampson
Since 1913. So you're seeing history right now and that's pretty cool. With Ohtani again, he had 99 pitches. They pulled him out in the sixth inning. He hit a batter, he walked four guys. He didn't give up a hit and he hit a home run to lead off. But he looked tired and he looked frustrated. And the Dodgers have a big decision with what to do with him going forward because it's hard to be so great both ways. And that's what he's been. But that, that can't last.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Well, can we think about this for a second? Think about what he is saying there because Craig Counsel complained, hey, the Dodgers, the rest of us have 13 pitchers. They have 13 pitchers and Ohtani and what he's doing physically, the mastery of it is unprecedented for a baseball player of any kind. It's just sheer lunacy. For him to be not just pitching, but pitching this well, the toll on the human body. There's no human body that can keep doing all of that, is there?
David Sampson
No, it doesn't exist. And it used to be you could take the greenies and you both have been in clubhouses with the greenies, I'm sure of that. And you could do it with. With help through pharmaceuticals. But now it's much harder to do that and it just wears on you. The MLB season wears on these players in a way that I never appreciated as a fan until I got into the front office and I watched their bodies get battered and what they had to do to prepare themselves and what they had to do to be ready to play 162 games. And it really got me understanding the concept of load management, something that I never understood before.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
That is the least joyous and most poisonous way to celebrate Ohtani. Oh, it's going to all break soon.
David Sampson
No, I love watching him. He's the best player I've ever seen. He's the greatest baseball player I've ever seen in my life. I would take him any day because he gives you a top of the rotation starter and a top of the lineup hitter. And he's an all star both ways. You know, we had Dontrell Willis hit eighth a couple times. Most of your pitchers, it's a waste. They keep their jackets on and hope they can bunt a guy over. Now you're starting pitcher, who by the way is unhittable, hits home runs and gappers and gets on base and steals bases. Oh, it's. It's unbelievable.
Dan LeBatard
Just brought me back, dude. Pitchers running with jackets on.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Yes, Chris.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Mo, I'm telling you, Chris moaned like. There have been two creepy moments in this segment. One of them was David Sampson.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
The way that he didn't want compared orgies. And he said oranges in a way that felt aggressively sensual.
David Sampson
That's apples and oranges.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Yeah.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
See, there was a snort in there. There was a snort and a thrust and then.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Yeah, come on.
David Sampson
That's apples and oranges.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Which you like more, Chris? The pitcher with the jacket on the bases or the catcher on deck?
Dan LeBatard
Oh, with his shin pads, with the.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
With the guards on.
Dan LeBatard
I think you still get that some. So I just. I put a jacket on. Anybody put it on the pole.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
That is wonderful.
David Sampson
Put it on.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
The poll at Lebiton show.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Do you miss the pitcher bunting and then putting his jacket on? Running the bases with his jacket on?
David Sampson
We don't even have those. They're not Standard issued anymore. So it's been, I'd say 18 years. What are we, 20, 26 more. It's been 20 years since there were standard issue picture jackets.
Dan LeBatard
I feel like. Have we shifted our strategy with what, like keeping your arm warm is because I feel like I don't even see pitchers put their one arm, you know, in between innings. In the jacket.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
Do they use the towel now? Have we. Is that outdated, that strategy of like keeping your arm warm?
David Sampson
It's proven not to be a thing. It's also bizarre, like NBA introductions. Back in the day, they wore their warm up suits to be introduced. Now they go out and rip them off. They rip them off. That's what you're supposed to do. Not anymore.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Make that ball boy pick it up.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
And pick up.
David Sampson
Yes.
Dan LeBatard
Put those buttons back together. It's difficult to do.
David Sampson
Now all they do, like Jalen Brunson or Donovan Mitchell, they unwrap their knee like Ace bandages. They stand at the scores table to unwrap stuff and then they put their mouth guard in that. By the way, it's the grossest part about sports is what you do. And in between plays with your mouth guard, like putting in your helmet or putting in your sock. I could vomit. But no, there's no more ripping of the warmups. That bothers me.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
David, what's New York City going to be like if the Knicks win the finals? Like, you know, it's fun. We, we say, oh, they're, they're celebrating outside on 7th Avenue after the Knicks win a game. But like, will it actually be nutty if the Knicks win?
David Sampson
It depends where here on the Upper east side, you know, there's. People are at bars watching it, but it's civil and people are just enjoying it. And there's a lot of people wearing Knicks stuff and there's this look that you get where, you know, if you walk around and met stuff, you're not getting many looks right now other than sort of askance. But when you're wearing a knick shirt, it's people. It's like this camaraderie. That's why we love having professional sports in cities and why there should be public financing of stadiums because of what it does to a community. Right now, New York is all about the Knicks and it's pretty damn cool to watch.
Dan LeBatard
What did you make of Reggie Miller saying this?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Whoever wins this series, I've seen enough from the Knicks. The Knicks are going to be favored in the finals to win, win at all.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
I'm just telling you right Now, Yeah.
David Sampson
I want him to use code dan on DraftKings, because if you do that, you'll find that, no, the Knicks are tremendous underdogs against both the Thunder and the spurs, as they rightly should be. But I love, you know, the thought of Reggie saying that. But of course, it's complete horsehouse.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
He tried to walk it back yesterday. I don't believe him.
David Sampson
Oh, he did.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
He tried to walk it back yesterday on the Dan Patrick show where he said, no, no. What I was talking about was most people are going to want them to win. They're going to be the favorite of the two teams among the fans. There's no way that's what he meant.
David Sampson
No, it's not. That's so ridiculous. Why walk something back? Why not just say you were wrong? It turns out that I went on DraftKings and I found out that they're total underdogs. I would have much more respect for that than trying to walk it back and say, it's like gaslighting an entire country of gamblers.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
This was a. A very divisive topic yesterday. Me and Dan agreed. The rest of the room thought that this was vulgar, disgusting. Did you? Well, I don't think. I don't think juju thought that. I don't think he actually weighed in. I don't want to speak for. I don't want to speak for juju on this. I don't think juju weighed in.
David Sampson
Ooh, Trista.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
So it's the. The DX Suck it by Uribe. What? What? As a baseball guy with no context,
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
the DX Suck it by Rebate People know.
Dan LeBatard
Do they know?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Greg')
Yeah.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
Well, sorry. You can tee it up, Dan.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Oh, no, I'm just. I'm trying to help for those who do not know what. For the audio audience.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
For the audio audience that has no
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
clue what the DX Suck It Bioribay is.
Dan LeBatard
I thought it was one oribe. I'm not gonna lie.
David Sampson
No, it's not. Yeah. So, Trista, here's the problem with that, Pat. You better be in the right situation and you better be on the right team with the right manager. But when you're striking out a Cardinal player and you look in the dugout and you do that suck it, you're going to get in trouble. Which he did from his own manager to the point that Pat Murphy did a press conference where he addressed it. And that is a rare thing for a manager to call out a player in that public way. It means that it was a real problem in that clubhouse. And it caused divisiveness and anger and frustration. And so he had to cut it off privately and publicly. That was a big deal for a Brewers team that's playing great.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Trista')
But it's kind of awesome, though, right?
David Sampson
It's not necessary. I'm not a big fan. This happened with the guy who celebrated even though his mother had died and it was Mother's Day. I'm not a fan of that. I want to win.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
Wow.
David Sampson
Just strike the guy out and go back to the dugout. You're not a fan of DS Touchdown. Give the ball to the referee.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Oh, for the love of God.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Lawyer')
But who gonna do the gritty?
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
Okay, so I remember. Here's the calamity of. This is the following, right? This is how they keep what Uribe does out of baseball. It's the way that the sport does it. I remember being in a clubhouse. Six fingered Alphonseca. He gave up a home run and then he hit the next guy on purpose. And everyone knew he did it on purpose. And when I got to the clubhouse, he was weeping because of how Bonilla and Alou had been yelling at him, screaming at him, you're gonna get us because you're an idiot. And he's just sobbing in the locker room like, it's Udibe.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
I want Udibe to behave how he
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
wants, but the rest of the crew has to be in on. We're not going to throw at the other guys because we don't like this in our sport. Like, it's just asinine. But it's how they keep the sport police.
David Sampson
It's how you keep a clubhouse. Dan. You should know this, Dan. You run a business. You have a very strained ecosystem that you have to monitor at all times, don't you?
Go Pee Pee Voice
You, You.
David Sampson
You bemoan the fact you have to do that. But that's what being a manager is. That's what being a president is. You have to just be aware of what's going on in your clubhouse. You just talked about Dart and Abdul Carter. Why do you think Jackson Dart had to address the Giants clubhouse today? He addressed it because you had to protect the ecosystem. So of course he had to meet the entire clubhouse. That's apples and oranges.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
What was that? You're snorting like a truffle pit pig.
David Sampson
I've never been around a truffle pig.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Chris')
That's.
David Sampson
I like the Nicolas Cage movie, though. I've had a long day, Dan, and it's just getting longer.
Dan LeBatard
Sorry about the early text.
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Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
So was he sending you the music to approve it or not approve it. Like, were you going to be okay with it? Like, what was the nature of the text exchange? He was going to you for creative.
David Sampson
No, he said, this is what we've prepared. What is your view? Are you okay with it? And so I had to listen to it, which I did. And then I responded immediately two minutes later, which is all it took to listen to the intro. And I responded with, hey, if it may. Let me just read you if it makes you happy.
Dan LeBatard
Exactly. That's my response when I saw it this morning. I'm like, perfect. So he hates me, but I can play it.
David Sampson
That's it.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Samson')
That's all.
David Sampson
Listen, it's not. I. I'd like you, Dan, to treat things a little more seriously as it relates to nothing personal in sports, business, etc, but if it makes you happy to have me saying PP and whatever else that I do from time to time when I'm enjoying my time with you, then go. Go forward, Prosper.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Send me. Send me that by. By text. Go forward, Prosper. Just off six hours from now, though I know I'd like him to do it. So I'm getting that for seven. Seven months straight in the middle of the night. Just prosperity. See you later.
David Sampson
That's apples and oranges.
Dan Lebatard Show Contributor (possibly 'Juju')
Yeah, it's a truffle pick. Tiny little truffle pick.
Date: May 28, 2026
Main Guests: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, David Samson, and other show contributors
This episode offers the show's signature mix of irreverence and insight, centering on David Samson’s highly planned approach to texting and business, and using that as a springboard to debate digital communication etiquette, human behavior, and work-life efficiency. The crew also pivots into Samson’s views on recent Lakers (and broader sports) front office moves, baseball’s unprecedented pitching runs, and evolving workplace culture in major sports. Laced throughout: the show’s usual rapid-fire banter, playful digs, and moments of self-aware meta-commentary.
Timestamp: 01:16–14:00
Initiation of Debate: The episode kicks off with a comedic riff on awkward late-night texts, leading Samson to reveal his habit of scheduling text messages—sometimes even predicting and composing potential responses ahead of time.
The Texting Culture Divide:
Scheduling Text Messages:
Efficiency or Pathology?:
Ethics and Human Connection:
Self-Awareness and Branding:
Timestamp: 23:01–28:21
Lakers vs. Trail Blazers Front Office Moves:
Defending "Cold" Business Logic:
Cultural Differences:
Business acumen as asset and target:
Timestamp: 30:10–36:14
Christopher Sanchez and Shohei Ohtani:
Player Health & Load Management:
Traditions Lost: Jackets and Other Quirks
Timestamp: 35:30–37:17
The Knicks’ Playoff Run:
Reggie Miller’s Hot Take:
Timestamp: 37:17–41:17
Samson on Scheduling Responses:
“I will send texts to people in increments with what I think will be a response to their response before they respond. So then I don't actually have to respond when they respond because it’s already been scheduled.” (08:50)
On Being "Cold, Calculating":
“It really does track, David, with everything people believe about you, which is that you’re like cold, calculating, like the man, like AI, like not a human being.” – Contributor (16:33)
“Don’t judge a book by its cover. What a great example right then and there.” – Samson (17:03)
On Athletics and Longevity:
“No, it doesn’t exist...It just wears on you. The MLB season wears on these players in a way that I never appreciated as a fan until I got into the front office...” – Samson (32:17)
On Sports and Community:
“That’s why we love having professional sports in cities and why there should be public financing of stadiums because of what it does to a community. Right now, New York is all about the Knicks and it’s pretty damn cool to watch.” – Samson (35:42)
Humor Thread:
“That sounds like the mind of a serial killer.” – Contributor to Samson’s texting (12:12)
“If someone is game for a threesome, they’re not going to be dissuaded from that by a simple tech schedule.” – Samson (21:20)
The tone is classically Le Batard: snarky, fast-paced, meandering but substantive, with rapid shifts between sincere analysis and off-the-wall humor. Samson’s precision and efficiency find comic foil in the looser styles of Dan and others. The episode also exhibits warmth, as contributors rib each other and expose both quirks and vulnerabilities—turning topics like texting and layoffs into opportunities for self-reflection, laughter, and critique of modern sports and business culture.
This episode is a prime example of The Dan Le Batard Show’s ability to use the eccentricity of its guests (and hosts) to dig into bigger questions about work, tech, relationships, and sports in society—all while never losing its sense of fun.