DUSTY MAY TO THE DALLAS MAVERICKS?!?! | Hour 2

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: DUSTY MAY TO THE DALLAS MAVERICKS?!?! | Hour 2

Date: June 22, 2026

From the Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Overview

In this irreverent and freewheeling hour, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their rotating squad of co-hosts offer their signature blend of sports talk, pop culture musings, and inside jokes. The group touches on the ongoing professionalization of college sports, debates what makes a true “showman,” ponders the psychology of legendary athletes’ returns, and features ongoing bits like Greg Cody’s endless catchphrase countdown—all while injecting digs, sarcasm, and playful arguments.

A memorable moment emerges as Dan and friends respond live to a caustic on-air rant from sports radio personality Craig Carton, offering their own biting retorts. The episode also covers Serena Williams’ Wimbledon return at age 44, the surreal staying power of pandemic-era habits, and quirky discussions like Plexiglass billionaires and the lefty quarterback conundrum.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Professionalization of College Sports & Dusty May

• Greg Cody opens with reflections on why coaches such as Dusty May are leaving college athletics, remarking on the sector's increased professionalism and decreased stability for long-term coaching careers.
  • “Some of the stuff happening in college sports has become so professionalized that these jobs aren’t what they used to be… I understand now more than ever why somebody would do this.” (01:42)
• The show pokes at the now-comedic “Dusty May file,” referencing a famously awkward interview question from Jonathan Saslow.
  • Saslow to Dusty May: “Coach, did the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with FAU?” [06:24]
  • Everyone jokes: “That’s why Dusty May left college.” [06:42]

2. Pandemic Habits & Plexiglass Billionaires

• The crew riffs on lingering COVID protocols and the rise (and fall) of plexiglass fortunes.
  • Dan: “... plexiglass, we do need. We gotta bring it back. Some social distancing. This man tried to hug me today...” [04:06]
  • Dominique: “The plexiglass thing was so insane... the top was open, so it would just go over the top and back under the other side.” [04:20]
  • Greg: “People who made plexiglass for a living were becoming billionaires during the pandemic.” [04:32]
  • Dan brings the receipts: “May 2020, rare coronavirus success story. Plexiglass dealers are booming.” [05:15]
• Playful use of polls throughout (Plexiglass billionaires? Cardboard box billionaires?)

3. Greg Cody’s Catchphrase Countdown

• A running bit, Greg unveils his ever-expanding list (now between 65 and 70) of catchphrases and the meta-argument about how high the countdown should go.
  • “Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show—Will Greg Cody’s catchphrases go from a Top 50 to the Top 75?” [11:34]
  • Example catchphrases: “I’m fuller than Vern Fuller”, “Hey butter finger”, “Hee haw”, “I love him like a pet”, “Nice hat, asshole.” [06:39–09:32]
  • Tony Reali jokes, “We’re going to get aggregated… still wearing masks in 2026.” [09:38]
• Ongoing debate over how many should actually make the final list—possibly even 250, in honor of the U.S.

4. “Things to Ponder” — The Return of Tony’s File

• Dominique reintroduces the “Things to Ponder” file, featuring quirky, prescient, or just odd sports hypotheticals.
  • Examples: “All-lefty QB camp battle: Tua vs. Michael Penix Jr.—Have we ever had a double lefty QB battle?” [18:46]
  • “China buying U.S. farmland” and other random musings.

5. Defining 'Showman' & The Greatest of All Time

• David Blaine’s claim to 'greatest showman' sparks debate:
  • Greg: “Who is the greatest showman of all time?” [21:16]
  • The group asks: Can a magician or even a woman be 'the greatest showman'? [24:05]
  • Dan: “Greatest showman is about the non-talent part of what you do... It’s the packaging.” [23:19]
  • Classic Le Batard Show poll fodder: “Is cocaine the greatest showman of all time?” [24:39]

6. Serena Williams Returning at 44

• A deep, soulful segment on athlete identity and retirements, using Serena’s comeback as a springboard.

  • Dan: “Once you get to 40 and have your identity stripped away as an athlete, you’re basically mourning the person you’ve worked all your life to be…” [25:39]
  • Dominique, as ex-athlete, is candid about post-career loss: “One of the worst things about being an athlete is being a former athlete. Because no one wants to be identified as what you once were.” [27:15]
  • Greg: “There is nothing that the athlete will find post-40 that feels quite as good as walking into the arena dominating in front of people.” [27:41]
  • The group debates whether stars like Serena are capable of entering competition with realistic expectations or if that killer drive never fades.

  Notable Exchange:

  • Dan: “My guess is the person who became the GOAT never quite turns that off. And going there and inevitably getting their ass beat… is going to be more difficult to deal with than you would think.” [32:09]
  • Greg: “Serena is realistic, and I think that’s part of her healthy attitude. I don’t think she expects to win.” [32:27]

7. LIVE: Craig Carton Rant Against Dan Le Batard

• Breaking (and hilarious) segment as the crew listens to a sports radio personality (Craig Carton) ranting against Dan.
  • Carton: “He’s a self-appointed moral compass of America when he’s had zero success on any platform… If not for gambling money with his company down in Florida, he would be a no-name. Nobody cares what he’s ever had to say…” [42:32–44:02]
  • Further digs: “He’s a woke scumbag… with no talent… populations of bad takes… hopefully he can’t have kids.” [44:09–44:48]
• Greg’s retort: “Scumbag, though, from the guy who spent more than a year in prison… Scumbag’s a little far… I haven’t been to prison.” [44:48–45:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dusty May and College Sports:
  “I understand now more than ever why somebody would do this… because amateur sports has gotten so professionalized.” – Greg Cody (01:42)

• On Pandemic Nostalgia:
  “Plexiglass, we do need. We gotta bring it back… The plexiglass thing was so insane because the top was open, so it would just go over the top and back under the other side.” – Dan and Dominique (04:06–04:25)

• On Athlete Identity & Retirement:
  “One of the worst things about being an athlete is being a former athlete. Because no one wants to be identified as what you once were.” – Dominique Foxworth (27:15)
  “There is nothing that the athlete will find post 40 that feels quite as good as walking into the arena dominating…” – Greg Cody (27:41)
  “My guess is the person who became the GOAT never quite turns that off…” – Dan Le Batard (32:09)

• On Catchphrase Inflation:
  “Put it on the poll at LeBatard Show: Will Greg Cody’s catchphrases go from a top 50 to the top 75?” – Dan Le Batard (11:34)

• On Carton’s Rant:
  “He’s a woke scumbag… with no talent… populations of bad takes…” – Craig Carton (44:09–44:48)
  “Scumbags a little far… If you get up every morning, look in the mirror and see one of those, you’ve got a special kind of expertise in this area that I do not have.” – Greg Cody (44:48–45:31)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Professionalization of College Sports/Dusty May Discussion: 01:42–06:50
• COVID Memories & Plexiglass Billionaires Bit: 04:06–05:24
• Greg Cody’s Catchphrase Countdown: 06:50–12:34
• Things to Ponder (Lefty QB Battle, Random Sports Wonders): 17:32–19:48
• Greatest Showman Debate: 21:16–24:05
• Serena Williams' Return & Athlete Retirement Psychology: 25:39–39:56
• Athlete Mentality (Serena, Jordan, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed): 39:56–41:56
• Craig Carton’s On-Air Rant & Crew’s Response: 41:56–45:31

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Final Thoughts

This hour is a classic embodiment of The Dan Le Batard Show’s magnetism: equal parts insightful, acerbic, and absurd. Whether dissecting the psychology of elite athletes, skewering radio rivals, or simply performing an endless catchphrase countdown, the show’s sharp wit and willingness to “put it on the poll” ensures the conversation is always dynamic—no matter how sideways it goes.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Greg Cody]

I don't know how you guys feel about this. If I were dusty, may I think that some of the stuff happening in college sports has become so professionalized that these jobs aren't what they used to be. To the Bobby Bowden's of the world where you could stay at one school forever if you win one time and you can have the longevity that you want. Amateur sports has gotten so professionalized that I understand now more than ever why somebody would do this. But at various points during my career I would have argued on behalf of some of these guys. Staying in college and having the job security that comes with college. Is my voice distracting you dominate. You're disgusted by how sick I sound. I don't think I'm going to make it to the end of the show. If this is my flu game, I think I'm going to ask out in the third quarter.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Jordan didn't.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I think. I don't think I'm going to make it to the end of the show today.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm worried about me and Greg.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Also, if you guys are breathing, like I said scientifically, if you would hold your breath, you'd be fine.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Greg might die. I'm surprised because, like, this show has the reputation of being like, this liberal island in south Florida. I didn't know that Dan was an anti vaxxer.

[Greg Cody]

I. I took a COVID test. So I don't have Covid. Covid.

[Dominique Foxworth]

You didn't take a COVID test. That's a lie.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what you have to say since 2020. That's a 2020. Everyone says anytime they cough, don't worry, I took a COVID test. They didn't. Such a lie.

[Jonathan Saslow]

You know, Dan, you're supposed to take the thing and, like, you swore it around your nose for, like, a good 10 seconds. No one does the 10 seconds. Right. It's so uncomfortable.

[Greg Cody]

I did do the 10 seconds. Now, Valerie did wonder whether the COVID test I was. Because there hasn't been Covid expired, Dan.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Let me tell you.

[Greg Cody]

But I did. I did indeed take a COVID test, even though my employees are very comfortable calling me a liar in front of our people who believe me to be credible. And I'm telling you that no one here is going to get Covid. They might get a cold or they might get something else, but Covid is not what they're going to get. If indeed this test wasn't expired, it might have been an expired test. I couldn't tell based on looking at it.

[Tony Reali]

I mean.

[Dan Le Batard]

But to be fair, Dan, I know you would never lie. You're telling the truth. But ever since 2020, anytime anyone coughs and then you're around, you cough in front of people, you have to say, don't worry, I took a COVID test.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. So, like, not that you're lying, but someone could be lying. Be like, plexiglass, we do need. We got to bring it back. Some social distancing. This man tried to hug me today, and he's like, don't worry, I'll turn my head away. He's like, I don't need us to go body to body that bad.

[Dominique Foxworth]

The plexiglass thing was so insane because

[Dan Le Batard]

it just, like, the top was open, so it would just go over the

[Dominique Foxworth]

top and back under the other side.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like, what are we doing? I mean, it's a hurdle. I'm a believer in plexiglass. I tell you what hurdle.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

People who made plexiglass for a living, they were becoming billionaires during the. During the pandemic.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Right.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah, they really. It's quantifiable. Just like if it is, it is quantifiable. Thanks to Amazon. If you're making cardboard boxes now.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Go on.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

You're a billionaire, you know, so things ebb and.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Is the person making Plexiglass a billionaire? And is the person making cardboard boxes a billionaire?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Dan, to be fair, the guy that invented Plexiglass is for sure a billionaire, right?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

He's saying that Plexiglass has taken off the last few years to make several people billionaires. I don't believe that that's so. I believe that's empirically not so.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Headline via forbes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

May 2020 rare coronavirus success story. Plexiglass dealers are booming.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Thank you very much. Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And that's another Greg Cody first down.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

And that's a brand name, by the way. Capital P. Al. Plexiglass is the guy making most of the money.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Elvis 2nd and 13.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

He earned it.

[Greg Cody]

He did. He did. He just. He took a small sack. He just. He scrambled to his right and lost three yards. He throws second and 13. Right after that first down. When he said that, the maker of Plexiglas was named over the ball.

[Dan Le Batard]

Went over his head.

[Tony Reali]

I know.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Credit the tackler, not the runner. In that case, we're going to get

[Greg Cody]

to Greg Cody's catchphrases in just a second because we have a very important update. But I don't know if Zas winces when he hears the name Dusty May. Dusty Mae. We can now empty our Dusty May file here, which just has this question. I don't know if you ever heard it, Dominique. This question that. That Zaslow asked Dusty May when he was on with us. Listen to this from Zaslow.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Coach, did the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with fa?

[Greg Cody]

I think that's why Dusty May left college.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

That question was so long ago.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Get over it already.

[Greg Cody]

Time now for Greg Cody's top 65 catchphrases. Are we starting with number 65? Have we gone to number 70? You can. You can wear the mask. You can wear the mask while doing this. The mask is so tight that you can't.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, no, I can't. I feel like. I mean, the lung capacity, I think,

[Greg Cody]

might be a little.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think the mask is adding an extra hurdle. Good. Respiration, number 65.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

No, we're still at 6. We haven't officially raised it yet, so we're still.

[Greg Cody]

You did last week. You officially raised it. Last week you told us you were going to 65. Last week.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

It's like a law not taking effect yet. You know, we have announced it, but we have not actually begun. It's.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Elect.

[Dan Le Batard]

President Elect.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Change.

[Tony Reali]

Elect.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Well said.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait. Wait till the inauguration.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

That's right.

[Greg Cody]

Number 60.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Number 60. I'm Fuller than Vern Fuller. 59. Where's my click click. 58. Hey, butter finger. 57. Punt. 56. Scranton. 55. I'm busy in a one armed paper hanger. 54. Georgia, Georgia. 53. I'm the kind of guy that. 52. Balling the jack. 50. 51. Hey, hey, we're the monkeys, baby. 50. Thank you, Billy. 49. I love him like a pet. 48. Who made it to salad? 47. We're rolling now, huh? 46. You're brain beating me. 45. Let's go States. 44. Driver comfort is paramount. 43. Dummy up, save up. 42 catches. Catch. Can. 41. Doesn't make it right. 40. So on and so forth. 39. Very good. 38. The Little League theory. 37. Nice hat, asshole. 36. The others, they all learn from me. 35. Don't go showering to try to please me. 34. Look at that jerk. 33. It's like a packing house in here. 32. What'd you learn? 31.

[Greg Cody]

Hee haw.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

3. BA day up. 30. I'm not gonna take a quiz. 29. Sassafras. 28. Would we break a window? 27. Hello. 26. Who won? 25. Trailers for sale or rent. 24. You gotta eat a peck of dirt before you die. 23. Three words. We are the Lobos. 22. You're gonna go to Buffalo with Bernie Palmley. 21. Rappy Cac. 20. Another crisis solved. 19. Nice chatting with you. 18. He ain't heavy, he's my blank. 17. Hey, that's what I'm talking about, man. 16. Who let a pet. 15. Good on you. 14. Dancing swords. 13. QK. Quick crap. And these are the two. These are the two new.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Second. Give me a second.

[Greg Cody]

I'll take the mask to take a deep breath. Tony whispered to me while you were talking, we're going to get aggregated and somebody's going to say, look at this liberal show. Still wearing masks in 20.

[Ad Read Voice]

Sick.

[Greg Cody]

And we're wearing them wrong because I'm the sick one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that's the one thing we learned.

[Greg Cody]

I know I'm not.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're the one that's supposed to wear.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

What'd you learn?

[Greg Cody]

So he's taking off his mask now so he can breathe. Was it indeed what Dominique claimed that it was? Was it harder to do with the mask on? Do you feel even more winded than you would have been otherwise?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah, my glasses kept fogging up because my breath is, like, coming up out of the mask. It was a night.

[Greg Cody]

All of these can be found first on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah, with. Yeah. Thank you. A new episode dropped this morning and we appreciate you all for listening. Thank you very much. These are 12 and 11, which may not remain 12 or 11 because we are going to increase the countdown through demand, but it's either going to increase to 65 or 70. We haven't decided yet. So for now, these are number 12 and 11.

[Greg Cody]

So for now, President elect Cody is very close to his top 10, but it's unlikely that we're going to get his top 10 anytime soon. We're gonna have to wait more than a month because this is about to go to 65 or. You just said 70. I thought it was 65, but now you just said it might be 70.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

It's out of my hands.

[Dan Le Batard]

Change it. It's not in his hands.

[Greg Cody]

It is.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, not in his hands.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

It's bigger than me.

[Greg Cody]

Who's.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's the public.

[Greg Cody]

It's in his hands.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it's not. Not in his hands. He can't control his. Give him what they want.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Right. I'm a small, private individual.

[Ad Read Voice]

That's it.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, that might be on there. I haven't heard.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's been saying that.

[Greg Cody]

He's been saying that for a long time. I'm a small, private individual.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

I have been saying that for a long time.

[Greg Cody]

Since I've known him, he's been saying that.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I haven't heard 75 now.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Okay, okay. No, it won't go to 75.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think out of my head.

[Greg Cody]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Will Greg Cody's catchphrases go from a top 50 to the top 75? Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's great. Cody hold the record for the most catchphrases for one individual. Because normally it's like you get one thing, you get One catchphrase, maybe two.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Coming up on 75 is pretty impressive.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Thank you very much, Dominique. I appreciate that. And there is a rumor that in honor of the United States, it might become a top 250 catchphrase. I'm just.

[Dan Le Batard]

But it's not in your hands.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

It's not in my hands, and I doubt it because that would be absurd. We're at 65 or 70. Not. Not absurd.

[Dan Le Batard]

USA could win the World Cup. Anything could happen.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Damn right they could. Literally. Literally anything could happen. That's right. You ready for number 12?

[Greg Cody]

One of the things that literally can't happen is the United States winning the World Cup.

[Dan Le Batard]

More likely, United States win the World Cup. Greg Cody's list goes to 250.

[Greg Cody]

Greg Cody's list goes to 250.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Is more Greg Cody 250 instead of America 250.

[Tony Reali]

Wow.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

There you go.

[Greg Cody]

All right, Greg. Number. Number 12.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Number 12. Ba.

[Greg Cody]

Wow. That's what he says to control jumping Charlie. Even though jumping Charlie is uncontrollable, it doesn't work. He just get confused by. He gets confused by what his owner is doing, doesn't trust him, finds him unstable, and then stops doing the bad thing for a moment because he's like, what is that? Why is he doing that?

[Dominique Foxworth]

He has to look back, like, what?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

It works, though.

[Greg Cody]

Doesn't work temporarily, but he goes right back to it.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

No, that's working. It works because it's such an unusual sound. It's like no other sound I make, you know, it's not like, hey, good boy, good boy. And then when my voice goes real high. He likes that.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Who's good?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Who's good? He loves this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Write that down. Write that down.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

But when I go back. Got it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Gotta write it down. It might be on there.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

It could be. Okay, number 11. Blanking it now. You just sneezed. And it took all of my self control not to go sneezing it. That would be an example of what blanking it is. Okay, so there. Number 12 and 11. For now, boar's Head brings to the

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Jeremy Schaap]

know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks?

[Dominique Foxworth]

I know it. Well, it's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Yeah. Usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Cuervo.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Walk in like this.

[Jeremy Schaap]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.

[Dominique Foxworth]

It has that effect on people.

[Jeremy Schaap]

It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering, Keep it Cuervo.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Keep it Cuervo.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Baby. Down. Levitar.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can't wait for 39.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah, I can't either. 40 comes first.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Do you know what 40 is yet?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Not yet.

[Tony Reali]

What are we doing, Greg?

[Greg Cody]

Did you just laugh? Did you just laugh out loud at something Lewis said in your ear?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Greg Cody? Yes. I couldn't help it. It was funny. Thanks, Louis. Gagging the goose, of course, choking the frog. I mean, there's a million of them. Of course, half of them would sound dirty if we keep doing it.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I thought Blanket was a for sure top.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah, we gotta. You know, that's why we have to increase the number, is that we. We're down to 10, and my. My prime list still has 16 or 18 on it.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Now, let me ask you something. So next week, potentially, we should be getting into the top 10. Are we gonna know next week?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Meaning, like, for sure?

[Jonathan Saslow]

Like, will next week either be the top 10 or it'll be the top 20?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yes. Next week you'll know for sure because I can't. You know, it's ridiculous this, this bit. Yes, it is ridiculous, but it's popular. Also as popular is the Cody Cup World cup website Cody Cup. The Greg Cody Show.com everybody made fun of me last week when I said hey, we're only in day one. We've already got 500 visitors. Well now we're well over 15,000 visitors. So we got a lot of people coming to the website. Join it. Here's our new QR code if you want to take a pic of that and run with it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cupping it.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Exactly. Yes, well said. Cupping it.

[Greg Cody]

Codycup. The Gregcodyshow.com is where you go if you want all of Greg Cody's exclusive World cup and soccer information. Also very popular. I see you making a return there in front of Tony. Not very subtly. The Things to Ponder file has made a reappearance. Tony, you want to take people through the long and distinguished history of your Things to Ponder file. I think you recovered it somewhere under some ashes recently because it had been lost. And I'm sure Dominique would like to play the Things to Ponder game. What is the history here that's relevant to the listener?

[Dominique Foxworth]

So the beautiful thing about the Things to Ponder folder is that it has taken a beating. We did find it. We thought it was lost to the earth and to humanity and it wasn't. We found it. So it's things that I've pondered throughout time for the last couple of years and you know we've got some stuff that pretty press, you know, prescient.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ooh, get him.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Big words.

[Dominique Foxworth]

AI question mark was something that I was pondering a couple of years ago. Let's see what else? Russell Wilson for 2 million or Tua for 55 million before he signed his deal. Things that make you think China buying U.S. farmland. Hold on, I want to start with that one. Let's keep scrolling here.

[Jonathan Saslow]

All right.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I've got one that I've been that I've been pondering first. All lefty QB camp battle ever. Tua vs Michael Penix Jr battle of the lefties. Have we ever had a double lefty QB battle ever?

[Greg Cody]

I don't know the answer to that question. I do know that Mississippi State last year was the only team in the history of college football to have a left footed kicker and a left footed punter. They had both of those things and it is not something that had ever been so before. Do you think the lefty quarterback still confuses me a little bit I am still not used used to seeing someone quarterback and throw with his left arm.

[Dan Le Batard]

So it's just like a right handed quarterback except they do the same things but they do it literally with their left hand. So there you go. I'm glad I could break that down for you.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Dominique. Obviously you've been a part of many different teams and in the football industry if you're a right tactic.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Trying to say he wasn't good.

[Dominique Foxworth]

No, I said he was a great player.

[Dan Le Batard]

I heard it too, Zaz.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I said he was a great player earlier.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was something.

[Greg Cody]

Were you with a great many teams? You weren't with a great many teams?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

I don't know.

[Greg Cody]

You were with Baltimore for a while.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Broncos, Falcons, Broncos, Falcon. There you go.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Okay. Of many great teams, none of them

[Dan Le Batard]

great really except that Baltimore, the Baltimore

[Dominique Foxworth]

team was a good.

[Dan Le Batard]

Seems really good too. We were 13 and three lost in a conference championship because Ben Rossberger kept picking on me. That comeback we were running cover zero. I couldn't quite cover the comeback and cover zero because you either get three step or you go all season long three step, you cut it off or you go I was ballin in that position. Then we get there, they do this slot motion so that they take the zero blitz away by motion to slot picking off the in man in line scrimmage. Get a two for one, they get six seconds. I'm running comebacks. Can I get some help? Champ Bailey's on the other side. Send the damn safety over here. Let me get a safety. And we lost again.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Great player. As you can hear, if you're a right tackle and you know that there's a lefty quarterback. Are you telling your agent like hey kept over there, what's going on here? Let's like I, let's make some big money, some left tackle money over here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Your left handed competition is interesting because my assumption is teams who have starting left handed quarterbacks go ahead and look for a backup who's left handed also. But normally there would not be a competition. So I wonder, would you have. Is there like a challenge in having a left handed quarterback and a right handed quarterback in competition? Because you're like hey, what are we practicing? My right tackle, my left tackle, who's more important? I. I don't know. Challenging.

[Greg Cody]

I wanted to ask you guys something from this weekend. I saw something about David Blaine and whether or not he deserves all of the acclaim he gets as a magician. And David Blaine is on the record saying he wishes to be regarded as the greatest showman of all time. Now, by itself, I think most of us would react by saying that's asinine. But who is the greatest showman of all time?

[Dan Le Batard]

Like showman James Brown.

[Greg Cody]

That was. That is what Dominique said under his breath.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

But showman is a weird word, like entertainer. Are those interchangeable? Like what?

[Greg Cody]

I would say that somebody who is a performer, who the world would regard as something close to consensus as not ridiculous. The way David Blaine when he says I want to be the greatest showman ever. You can't even be it in the magicians category. Cuz Harry Houdini would, I assume would get that among the magicians. But I don't know if a magician can be. Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Can a magician ever be the greatest showman ever? Because it can be an athlete. You guys immediately went to the musical performance.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think magician is fair because obviously magic is about the show that you provide and getting people engrossed in it. I think it's easy. It's James Brown, he was at Fox and then he takes over at cbs. The man works at a bunch of different places, can't beat him. He's as good as.

[Jonathan Saslow]

And that hairline,

[Dan Le Batard]

hair perfect, immaculate. The man's done everything. Incredible. Analyst David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear.

[Jonathan Saslow]

I feel like David Copperfield's like, I

[Dan Le Batard]

love David Blaine, but I'm with Greg though. We need to identify exactly what it means to be a showman. Because right now you're talking about the biggest magic perform, like the coolest magic. Is that a show? Is that being a showman?

[Greg Cody]

It's anything in performance, right? Anything performed in front of people. So it can be an athlete, it can be a musician, it could be

[Dan Le Batard]

a. I think it's slightly different though because I think that the greatest showman is about the non. It's about the non talent part of what you do, if that makes any sense. So like if you're a singer, because you're a tremendous singer, the stuff around it is the show that you're creating, it's the. That stuff. So I think. I don't know if I'm making a ton of sense, but it's not how.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, you're saying you're not famous for the thing that's necessarily just your expertise. It's all the packaging that you put on there.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think that's what showman is. It's the packaging.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Well, James Brown, the singer, not the broadcaster, used to literally portray himself as a showman. Right. You remember when toward the end of A concert. He would. They would put a cape on. He would kneel down, they would put a cape on him. He was literally a showman. Literally a showman.

[Greg Cody]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Can a woman be the greatest showman of all time?

[Dan Le Batard]

You said remember? I do not remember, but I heard about it.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

There you go.

[Greg Cody]

He would have a cape put on him. And yes, he was very good at the theatrics. I'd also put this on the poll as well. Is James Brown's Funky Christmas the greatest Christmas album of all time?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you.

[Tony Reali]

How.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who gets the credit? And I'm not talking about James Brown here, just generally when we're talking about showmen, sometimes there's some PDS involved in their ability to create a great show. Does that make cocaine the greatest showman?

[Greg Cody]

Put it on the poll. Is cocaine the greatest showman of all time? Hell of a drug. Serena Williams is returning to Wimbledon. We had the news a couple of weeks ago that she was returning to doubles, but now she's going to try and win Wimbledon. This is curious for a number of different reasons, but chief among them to me is that once you get to 40 and have your identity stripped away as an athlete, you're basically mourning the person you've worked all your life to be. You're grieving that person's expiring. I believe it to be for athletes in the competitive field, but especially in the sports that are as lonely as that one, like swimming, running, tennis, it's just a really lonely sport. The routine of it, the thing you've been doing since a child. Serena Williams, and Venus, for that matter, are remarkably well adjusted for people who have had fame since their teenage years. But I still maintain that one of the hardest transitions that there are to be found anywhere in occupations is the athlete who's still young, who has to stop before they're 40 years old and then has, you know, the rest of their life out in front of them. What did you think of Serena Williams coming back here to Wimbledon at 44? Is it 44?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

44?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I think a lot of times our mind goes to the selfish place, which mine did, where it's like, I don't want to see Serena get dominated. That's. That's not fun. But I think your point is a super accurate one, and I can relate to it to some degree, is you. It's unusual for your identity to be so tied up in what you do, especially when you're a kid. And it's. If you remember, when you were in elementary school or younger, you became a thing. If you were the fastest kid in your school, you were the fastest kid in your school. That was the coolest thing. You're a great athlete. Eventually you get into other settings and that sheds and you find other ways to identify yourself. And if you do, you never find the point where other kids are better or you never find the other thing. It's very weird to be in your 30s or your late 20s or your 40s and be like, all right, you're not that anymore. And I think the point that you made about it feeling like the death and mourning, it's partially true, but I think it's more about searching and whether you know it or not. I did not anticipate being in that position. I had always, like, I retired, I wasn't forced out. I retired. I went on to do other things, like we go to business school and be someone else. And then it's weird because you're like, eh, who am I? What drives me today when I walk into a room? What do other people see? And being. One of the worst things about being, at least it was for me about being an athlete is being a former athlete. Because no one wants to be identified as what you once were. Being identified as an athlete is fine. But now when the first thing on your, like your CV or your resume is like, at least when people see you is what you used to be.

[Greg Cody]

You used to be used to being.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's demoralizing. And I know no one loses sleep for these guys, but it sucks.

[Greg Cody]

But this is the other part of it that makes it difficult, right? It's not just losing your identity. It's that every single thing that you try after that doesn't feel as good as what you were already doing. And so you get lost. You're searching because nothing comes close. There is nothing that Serena Williams will be able to find. And I think I might even include motherhood in that. Like, as dangerous as that is to say, there is nothing that the athlete will find post 40 that feels quite as good as walking into the arena dominating in front of people. It feeds the ego in a way that nothing else in work can.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's interesting that you bring up motherhood. I wrote a while ago, I wrote like a pilot treatment for a show idea because I thought that it was interesting that I didn't think that very many people had the similar experience as athletes other than mothers. Like, mothers are the only kind of and celebrities who have that same situation where you can potentially be like a Stay at home, mom. And your life becomes all of their lives. Like your life revolves around getting to where they are. You become, become known as like the mother to this person. And then at a certain point, they don't need you anymore. And a lot like athletes where you've had this great, impressive, incredible experience doing something amazing, but you can't put it on your resume in a way that buys you any credibility anywhere else. So like being a 40 year old mother whose kids are now in high school or older and, or getting ready for college and don't need you as much, and then you're like, what do I do now? Who am I now? I've made this my life. And now I go into a place of work and it was like, hey, I want a job. What you been doing for 20 years? I've been doing the hardest job there is to do. What's that worth here? Why don't you get Holl at that mailroom and see what it's about? It's a tough place to be.

[Greg Cody]

The distinction I'm making though, because I can see. No, I get. Well, the reason I'm saying it though is because motherhood feeds many wonderful things, but the ego's not really one of them. Like you're, you're. There's a selfless selflessness involved in motherhood done correctly, that doesn't exactly fill the ego the way Serena playing at Wimbledon does.

[Dan Le Batard]

It does. It does. I mean, maybe not the same way, but there's an ego into the things that you're able to accomplish and the ability. So like I, at times, my, my wife has gotten more involved in some professional things, so I've taken more for the kids. Knocking out a day where you get all the kids to all their places feels incredible. And then when your kids do well at something, it feel even though it's not you doing it. There is a pride and an ego in that. And walking into a room where you're the guy or you're the mom or dad whose kid is the most awesome one of all the kids, it feels great.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, you remember what it was like.

[Greg Cody]

Greg would know.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

I do remember what it was like, actually. You never stopped being a father. And now my granddaughter says my name. She calls me Pop. And every time she says it, I melt. I love literally. No, not literally, figuratively. I love, I love Serena Williams attitude here. From everything I've read and heard, she's like, I've got nothing to lose. She knows. She doesn't say this. I say it for her. She's the goat, okay? She's always going to be the goat in her sport. You know, Michael Jordan, always the goat, even when he was the world's worst NBA owner. Serena Williams has nothing to prove. So in doubles, Serena and Venus. Venus is two years older, 44 years old and 46 years old, playing doubles at Wimbledon in a week or so. They have nothing to prove. They won 13 Wimbledon titles as a double team. Doubles team. So Serena is going to play singles knowing that she's going to lose. She doesn't expect to win this tournament. She expects maybe to win the first match or even the second match.

[Greg Cody]

You think Serena Williams goes into anything thinking she's going to lose?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

I think Serena is realistic, and I think that's part of her healthy attitude. I don't think she expects to win.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know. My guess is we're not gonna get a new Serena Williams who is comfortable with losing. And I think that Greg brings up an interesting point that I hadn't considered. If we combine all the things that we've been talking about and, like, how difficult it is to change your identity, I imagine. Imagine how difficult it is to be, like, fine, I'm reclaiming who I was, and then find out that you aren't that person. And I think it would be great for what Greg is saying, it'd be great for Serena to have the perspective of, I'm always going to be the goat. What happens here doesn't matter. That'd be great, and it's justifiable. And it goes back to the first conversation, how the rational thinking in this for us who aren't emotionally invested, we can rationalize how easy this is going to be and how. How well she should take. But my guess is the person who became the goat never quite turns that off. And going there and inevitably getting their ass beat at some point is going to be more difficult to deal with than you would think.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

You may be right, and I may be proven totally wrong, but I predict that when she loses in the second or third round to a woman who's literally young enough to be her daughter, I think. I think her attitude is gonna be, I'm so glad I did this, and she's gonna have a smile on her face. That's what I predict.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think she'll say that. I think inside she's gonna be like, this woman can't hold my jock. Doesn't work here, huh?

[Greg Cody]

It really doesn't. Poorly done by you.

[Jeremy Schaap]

For 22 years on this show, we've debated the greatest athletes of all time. Who's the goat in football? Who's the goat in soccer? Who's the goat in hoops? One thing that we all know is Dan's the goat of finding the worst possible takeover. But there's another kind of MVP goat that doesn't get enough credit. The friend who knows to show up with enough Miller Lights plus extra ice because they just know. The one who already has seats at the bar when you walk up. That is a Miller Time nvp. I've been on this show long enough to know that Dan is going to make everything about his feelings and Jeremy is going to push back on whatever I just said. But here's something nobody on this show will argue with. Miller Lite is the summer beer. The original light beer since 1975. This summer, recognize your MVPs. We all have that one friend who makes every game better. Now it's time to give them their moment. Head over to Miller Lite's social media pages to learn more about being a millertime mvp. You can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

[Dominique Foxworth]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Jeremy Schaap]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Jeremy Schaap]

Down lebatar I hate that Carolina's gonna get this moment just because they waited us out.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jonathan Saslow But I love that Buffalo is gonna replace the Panthers in this situation because those fans absolutely deserve it. Not going to the playoffs, what 14 straight years.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Deserve it. We deserve it.

[Tony Reali]

I don't care.

[Dan Le Batard]

We won twice already.

[Jonathan Saslow]

I deserve a third one before they deserve anything.

[Jeremy Schaap]

I just started paying attention to hockey. I live in a swamp. Give me three in a row.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Buffalo deserves eat Buffalo. I care about Buffalo.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show.

[Greg Cody]

She's going to be the biggest star in the sport upon return. She's going to be the biggest story in the sport upon return. And the the fact that Kody is sitting here thinking that Serena Williams is doing this with the mindset that she's gonna lose, I do not believe that. Like I think she will lose and I think she will be proven to be mortal. But I don't think people at that level of greatness go into much of anything thinking they're going to fail.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I think she'll say the things that you expect her to say but which is unfair for me. Cuz this is a way that I can never be wrong. Because I don't think she's going to do a press conference afterwards. And it's eating me up that I couldn't win. I'm so down. I'm so angry. But I think truly my guess is that that's something in her that she can't turn off. You don't become this person by thinking that way. And I think back to one of the things you were saying is it's not that nothing else feels like what you did before. It's that and maybe these things are connected. It's that you're not as good at anything else as you were at this. Because no one, even for the people who aren't great, like even for the people who aren't all time great players or even like all Stars. It's like I and you're really talented and you're really good at the next thing that you do and you're good at a bunch of things. You're still never as Exceptional at that thing, which is a weird place to be when from the time you first were around kids, you were the one who was special. All the way up until for Serena into her late 30s, she was the one who was special. And now people see her and like, hey, remember when you used to be special? And she's going back out there to show them that she's still special and when she finds out, nah, you just like the rest of them. That's gonna hurt.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Well, it's been four years. It's been four years since a competitive match for her. And I think she's a smart woman. I think she knows herself better than anybody. I don't think she expects herself to be the same at 44 as she was when she was winning her majors. And I just think she's going to be realistic. I honestly.

[Greg Cody]

Now why do it then though? Like, why would she choose to do it if realist? Like what?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

To prove she can. I think it's a one off, but

[Greg Cody]

of course she can step on it. Like what?

[Tony Reali]

Prove what?

[Greg Cody]

That she can step on the court and lose?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Like that she's in condition to compete and that she thinks she can win a match or two. I just don't think she's setting her bar with, I'm gonna win my first base.

[Dan Le Batard]

But why do that?

[Greg Cody]

Why, Greg? Why? Just explain to me the thought process.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Why.

[Greg Cody]

Why choose to come out of retirement to lose in the second round?

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

For the challenge of it. For the challenge of it. She's blazing a trail here. Few people have done what she's done. To be her age after four years off and do what she's doing, I think she's gonna get a lot of proper credit for what she's doing. Even if she loses her first match, which I don't think she will, even if she does, I think she's going to get a lot of credit and admiration for what she's doing.

[Dan Le Batard]

A few years ago, I feel like I was on TV and people were asking me about the mentality of, I think it was Tom Brady and I was like the football guy. And they were like, what does it feel like to be an athlete in this moment? And I was explaining to them that, that I can tell you what it's like to be me or someone like me. I imagine that the mind of someone like that is just as different as the mentality from, from let's say, Greg. To me, the difference from me a football player to what it requires to be Michael Jordan of football, the mentality is different from that also, and I had experience being around Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and was like, I want to be like that. But that ain't like, I don't think that way. And I think the same thing is probably true of Venus. It's hard for me to imagine, oh yeah, Venus and Serena, but especially Serena in this case, it's hard for me to imagine what it is like for her in this. And my assumption is those things don't go away. You don't turn those things off. That's kind of how you're wired. And I think that while Serena is a tremendously physically gifted athlete, my assumption is there were a lot of other women who were gifted physical athletes. But the difference, and you see this in the Rafa documentary that's on Netflix, the difference at that level, and I tell this to like kids that I've coached in the past, is like, I can't make you into the physical ability to be in the NFL. I can help you with the 1 or 2% that's going to make one person better than the next person. But there's some physical ability. And I think that what separates Serena from other physically gifted kids is that mentality. And I don't know that you can turn that off. I don't know that you can therapize it away. I think you can try to deal with it, but I don't know that you can. And if her serve is right, she might win the whole thing.

[Jonathan Saslow]

Dan, we have breaking news over here. Convicted felon Craig Carton doesn't like you.

[Dan Le Batard]

What he says, hey, I'll allow it.

[Jonathan Saslow]

So Craig Carton on his radio show the other day had a few things to say about you, Dan. When a caller called up and mentioned the things. Carton apparently is close with Jim Dolan. All right. And a caller called into his show on WFAN and brought up your name and things that you said, the things you said last week about Jim Dolan. And here was convicted felon Craig Harden.

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

Did you happen to catch the things

[Greg Cody]

that Dan LeBatard said on his show

[Dan Le Batard]

the other day about James Dolan?

[Tony Reali]

First off, I didn't know he had a show. B, I don't care for him because he's an untalented hack. Who is? He's, I agree with that too. He's a self appointed moral compass of America when he's had zero success in any platform he's ever been on. And if not for gambling money with his company down in Florida, he would

[Greg Cody (alternate mic or co-host)]

be a no name.

[Tony Reali]

Nobody, nobody cares what he's ever had to say about anything. He's never had a number one rated radio show. He's never had a number one rated television show. He's never been the number one columnist when he was a columnist down in South Florida. He just likes to tell other people how they should live their lives. And when he's not talking about successful people in media, he has nothing to say worth listening to. So I don't know what he said about Dolan and I know you're not the bad guy here, Joe. I also don't care what he had to say about Dolan because I've never cared about anything he has ever had to say about anybody. He's taking shots at me routinely. Has yet the balls ever to challenge me and bring me on the show? No, because he knows he's a loser and can't stay in the same room with me when it comes to going back and forth in an adult argument or conversation.

[Greg Cody]

Is that it or is there more?

[Jonathan Saslow]

No, no, it's a little bit more. He went on about how you speak about other people, too.

[Tony Reali]

I can't stand people that make a living off of just putting other people, our chosen profession, down.

[Greg Cody]

That certainly has been what's been going on the last few months. That's all he does. All he does is take what Boomer

[Dan Le Batard]

says or what this one says, what that one says.

[Tony Reali]

Then he's a woke scumbag is all he is. With no talent. He's had no success at any level that he's ever done. Yes, he got a big check from DraftKings. Good for you. Nobody watches you. Nobody listens to you. So go out there and give your speeches and get on your high horse about how society would be better without people like me in it and, you

[Dan Le Batard]

know, have at it.

[Tony Reali]

I feel bad if he has children. I would hate if he was my father. Yeah, Be embarrassed. Hopefully he can't have kids. Populate the world with more of his bad takes on everything. He should just be happy DraftKings wrote him a check and shut up.

[Greg Cody]

So woke. I'll take no talent. Subjective. Willing to accept that as well. Scumbag, though, from the guy who spent more than a year in prison and lied to his family, employers and listeners. Scumbags a little far. I mean, but if you get up every morning, look in the mirror and see one of those, you've got a special kind of expertise in this area that I do not have prison for a year. All I've said about Craig Carton is that he's still working and that's an indictment of our industry. Because there are plenty of people who are not bright and loud, who haven't been to prison, who we can employ in our industry without giving that guy second chances. And he doesn't like that. I keep saying that, but I haven't been to prison.

[Tony Reali]

He's a woke scumbag.