GBF- Monday Hangover: Been Around the Block

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Episode GBF- Monday Hangover: Been Around the Block

Release Date: November 25, 2024

Hosted by Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, Episode GBF- Monday Hangover: Been Around the Block delves deep into the tumultuous week in the NFL, highlights standout performances, analyzes college football dynamics, and wraps up with engaging segments like Winners and Losers and Big Boy Bets. Below is a comprehensive summary capturing all key discussions, insights, and notable moments from the episode.

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1. NFL Weekly Recap

The episode kicks off with an extensive overview of the past week's NFL games, characterized by a scarcity of quality matchups. Stugotz expresses relief over not having to watch a struggling team, stating:

Stugotz (03:20): "I don't know that I enjoyed watching them excel around the NFL, but I did enjoy not having that pressure of having to watch a garbage team."

Highlighting the dominance of teams like the Miami Dolphins and the complexities surrounding the Kansas City Chiefs, the hosts discuss quarterback performances, particularly focusing on Bryce Young and his impact on the Carolina team.

Stugotz (03:56): "You have a quarterback, or at least you're starting to think that you might have a quarterback in Bryce Young. You don't want to beat Kansas City. You want to know that you have a quarterback and be competitive with Kansas City. And that's what Carolina did."

The conversation also touches upon the Carolina Panthers' significant loss, deemed by Billy Gill as:

Billy Gill (03:58): "It was the greatest loss in the history of the NFL."

2. Analyzing Key Games and Players

A standout discussion revolves around the Commanders vs. Cowboys game, noted for its unprecedented number of points scored in the fourth quarter and a series of unconventional plays. Billy Gill remarks on the chaotic nature of the game:

Billy Gill (05:30): "41 of the 60 points were scored in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it was a good. Like, what the hell is going on here?"

Stugotz brings up the decision-making in critical game moments, emphasizing the trend of teams opting to go for two-point conversions:

Stugotz (06:05): "If you're Dallas, you go for two to win."

The hosts debate the effectiveness of this strategy, with Billy sharing his insights on coaching tactics and team performances.

3. Winners and Losers Segment

In the "Winners and Losers" segment, the hosts highlight unexpected outcomes and standout performances. Dan Orlovsky is crowned the biggest winner of the weekend, much to Stugotz's agreement:

Billy Gill (10:24): "Biggest winner this weekend, Dan Orlovsky."

Conversely, the Chicago Bears are acknowledged for their competitive spirit despite a loss, with Caleb Williams' impressive quarterbacking being a focal point.

Stugotz (12:07): "It was a competitive game. I have no idea what's what, who's who, if anyone's good."

4. College Football Insights with Lucy

Lucy, the college football expert, joins the discussion to provide insights on various college games, including the Harvard vs. Yale showdown. Dan Le Batard shares his observations:

Dan Le Batard (22:31): "This is the only game that at least Harvard students go to. It's the only game that people care about. And so it, like, sells out. It's a very big deal."

The segment includes a playful "Lucy or Goosey" poll, where hosts and listeners predict outcomes for upcoming games. Topics range from Indiana's playoff chances to the unpredictability of the Big 12 conference.

Dan Le Batard (27:00): "I think Indiana probably deserves to be in the playoff at this point."

5. Reintroduction of the BCS Rankings

A significant portion of the episode debates the potential return of the BCS rankings. Billy Gill passionately advocates for reinstating the BCS, critiquing current playoff selection methods and expressing frustration with the committee's decisions.

Billy Gill (39:23): "Mike Golick, this is on you. Because you're not receptive of the BCS and you do not respect us."

Stugotz and Dan Le Batard weigh in on the complexities of the playoff system, discussing the disparities in team rivalries and the ongoing debates surrounding selection criteria.

6. Big Boy Bets: Fantasy Football Picks

The hosts transition into the "Big Boy Bets" segment, where they share their fantasy football predictions for the week. Billy Gill presents his picks:

1. Cameron Dicker Over 1.5 Field Goals

   Billy Gill (53:41): "Dicker the kicker seems like a lock."

2. Derrick Henry's Long Rush Over 16.5 Yards

   Billy Gill (54:32): "Derrick Henry's long rush of the night will be over 16 and a half yards."

Stugotz joins in, showing enthusiasm for the picks and encouraging listeners to engage with their choices.

Stugotz (55:15): "Over. We're hoping for points. We're hoping for an offensive outburst this week."

7. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Segments

As the episode nears its end, the hosts briefly touch upon ongoing issues with the New York Jets, including the firing of Joe Douglas and speculations about Aaron Rodgers' future. Stugotz humorously laments the team's struggles:

Stugotz (50:31): "I decided that I would like to have a stress-free weekend and not think about the Jets."

The episode concludes with promotional segments for sponsors like Larceny Bourbon and Geico, aligning with the show's tradition of integrating advertisements seamlessly into the conversation.

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Notable Quotes:

• Billy Gill (03:58): "It was the greatest loss in the history of the NFL."
• Stugotz (06:05): "If you're Dallas, you go for two to win."
• Dan Le Batard (22:31): "This is the only game that at least Harvard students go to."
• Billy Gill (39:23): "Mike Golick, this is on you."
• Billy Gill (53:41): "Dicker the kicker seems like a lock."
• Billy Gill (54:32): "Derrick Henry's long rush of the night will be over 16 and a half yards."

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This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a thorough analysis of a challenging week in the NFL, insightful discussions on college football intricacies, and engaging fantasy football segments, all wrapped in the hosts' signature comedic and candid style. Whether you're a seasoned listener or new to the show, this episode provides valuable insights and entertaining discourse on the current state of football.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

And.

[Stugotz]

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[Billy Gill]

God Bless Football Mikey A God Bless.

[Stugotz]

Football Fuentes God Bless Football St Guys Mikey A Did you like Me enjoy having the jets on a bye week and watching all the former jets except excel around the NFL, because that's what I spent my day doing yesterday. I don't know that I enjoyed watching them excel around the NFL, but I did enjoy not having that pressure of having to watch a garbage team. Yes, yes. It was the best. I would say it was the best Sunday of bad games in NFL history. Like it start. I looked at that 1:00 slate. I'm like, I'm not interested in any of these games. But that witching hour was perhaps the best and longest witching hour of all time.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, crazy Billy, where do we start?

[Stugotz]

I started with the witching hour.

[Billy Gill]

I'm saying where do we start in terms of games that. That happened yesterday in the NFL? Yesterday was a crazy NFL game. You're right. It didn't look like there was going to be great games and then. And then it was a great day.

[Stugotz]

Right? Yeah. Football always wins. Where do you want to start? I mean, the Dolphins look great. Two of the last two games has maybe been the best, you know, best quarterback in the NFL. You had that Washington game yesterday. You had the Chiefs with Hay Wayne over Carolina. Carolina with a great. Not a good loss, perhaps the greatest loss in the history of the NFL. What a great loss.

[Billy Gill]

It was the greatest loss in the history of the NFL.

[Stugotz]

You know, you have a quarterback, or at least you're starting to think that you might have a quarterback in Bryce Young. You don't want to beat Kansas City. You want to know that you have a quarterback and be competitive with Kansas City. And that's what Carolina did.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. So I have a question for you.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

And this is something that we may not be comfortable with. Right. But at the beginning of the season.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Friend of the show.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Friend of yours. Dare I say friend of ours. Spags was in studio.

[Stugotz]

He was.

[Billy Gill]

We were saying Spags is the MVP of the league.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Spags and the defense were keeping the Chiefs in it.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

At the beginning part of the season they were. Last couple weeks, offense has been looking better.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Defense hasn't been looking as good.

[Stugotz]

No.

[Billy Gill]

And C.J. or sorry, Bryce Young seems to have figured out. Seems to have figured out Spags yesterday.

[Stugotz]

Yes. It's an indictment on Spags is what you're saying.

[Billy Gill]

I'm just.

[Stugotz]

You're going to offend our friends Spags.

[Billy Gill]

I'm. I'm not. I'm not saying maybe we took it easy this week against the Panthers. I'm not. I'm not saying that I'm just saying we thought. And you haven't. You haven't really done a ton of it this year. Thought something was a little bit off in Kansas City. Yeah, we thought we knew what it was.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

And now the script has flipped a little bit.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

And now it still seems like something is off in Kansas City. It does, but we're not quite sure exactly what is off and what will be off one week to the next. But also, why are we starting with this game with the way the commanders and the Cowboys game went yesterday?

[Stugotz]

I have no idea. I mean, you brought up the Chiefs. I was just saying that it was a great loss for Carolina, that's all. But Washington yesterday, what a game and what a bad, bad win for Dallas. I would say. I would say what a. Was it a good game, though? Yeah, not a great game, though. So good finish. It was a great five minutes.

[Billy Gill]

So 41 of the 60 points were scored in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it was a good. Like, what the hell is going on here? Did everyone forget how to play football? Like, even. Even in saying it was good? Every single play that happened essentially, was like, someone forget how to play football in this play. Like, how did this just happen right now?

[Stugotz]

Jaded Daniels, that final play, that was insane. You have to go for two in that spot, don't you?

[Billy Gill]

Well, the final play, I think he threw an interception.

[Stugotz]

Well, no, I'm talking about the play that.

[Billy Gill]

I know what you're talking about potentially.

[Stugotz]

Would tie up the game. They missed the extra point.

[Billy Gill]

But you have.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, McLaren. I don't know how that happens. The breakdown in the Dallas defense there. But if you're. I'm serious. If you are Dan Quinn and you're the commanders and you have Dallas and they're like, in one of those, like, I'm shocked moments, you just quickly line up for two and you go for it. That's what you do. I think we're in love with going for two this year.

[Billy Gill]

Exactly.

[Stugotz]

Going for two is having a huge year. I think it's a little.

[Billy Gill]

He did go for two a little bit earlier and he got two, however, going well. However. Well, I was going to say, however, like, commanders are a much better team than the Cowboys.

[Stugotz]

If you're Dallas, you go for two to win.

[Billy Gill]

The commanders think that they, okay, we tie the game, they're going to get the ball back with no time. Like, this is fine. We'll just handle it in overtime. There's a lot of, like, dumb luck plays that happened in that game. There's like, blocked Punts, blocked field goals, missed field goals, missed extra points. There was a returned touchdown on a kickoff where the ball was fumbled at the beginning. And then the spin move was made with no one within five yards of the guy. And then he still runs it back for a touch. Exactly. Right like that. That was a crazy game. And then obviously, even after you get it, you then go for the onside kick and give up a touchdown on an onside kick. Like that game was a lot of fun, but also a lot of crazy.

[Stugotz]

A lot of crazy. But listen, if it takes all that, like the final five minutes to make it a great game, then I'll call it a great game because to me, that was a great game. Those final five minutes were fantastic, by the way.

[Billy Gill]

T's and peas to Austin Eckler and his concussion. Hopefully he gets well soon on that.

[Stugotz]

That didn't look good. No, I mean, they never do.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, no.

[Stugotz]

Uh huh. So we're. How'd you feel about the Dolphins, Billy? Because we've been telling Dan that the Dolphins are. Are in the mix. The Dolphins, I think, probably had the most impressive. I think from start to finish, they were as impressive as any team in the NFL yesterday. Defense and the packers look great. The rare 8 and 3 team that's in third place. Yeah, I mean, that division, unbelievable.

[Billy Gill]

Buccaneers also looked good yesterday, but it.

[Stugotz]

Was the Giants and they're back in the wild card mix. I have no idea what's what, who's who, if anyone's good. I have no idea. Especially this year, both in college and the NFL. I have no idea if there's a single great team out there anywhere.

[Billy Gill]

Well, the Lions, I was going to.

[Stugotz]

Say Lions might want to sprinkle in a loss. I mean, they are getting hot at the wrong time.

[Billy Gill]

We're burning through all the takes right now. I was gonna say.

[Stugotz]

He's right, though. He's right. I got plenty more, Bill.

[Billy Gill]

We don't. We don't know who's good and who's not in the NFL. Also, college seems to be the same situation. We're gonna talk to Lucy coming up in a couple minutes. So. Yes, hold your horses on that one. We're gonna get to college in a second.

[Stugotz]

I can't talk about it now though.

[Billy Gill]

No, we can talk about it now.

[Stugotz]

Just told me to hold my horses.

[Billy Gill]

No, I'm just saying hold your horses. If you, if you're worried about college, we're gonna get to it here in a while.

[Stugotz]

You tell the audience.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, audience.

[Stugotz]

My bad.

[Billy Gill]

Horses Sorry. Hold them. Texans. I don't know if they're good, but that's a story for another.

[Stugotz]

Whoa. Listen, we might be a little early on that. Early. Carolina might win that draft after all.

[Billy Gill]

I was gonna say you re. You redrafted. I wonder if you don't go in the same order.

[Stugotz]

Just wondering who were the quarterbacks from last year's draft? Was there a third? Like sneaky quarterback Anthony Richardson. No.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Oh, Richardson, Yeah. If you were to redraft it, you would. Are you saying. Are you saying it now?

[Billy Gill]

No, I said I wonder if you redraft if you go in the same order.

[Stugotz]

Hmm. Worth a conversation. I never thought we. The fact that we're having this conversation is a big win for Bryce.

[Billy Gill]

Well, okay, but here's the thing. He's back, baby.

[Stugotz]

He is back. He's back in the conversation.

[Billy Gill]

Here's the thing is that like, you saw the C.J. stroud High, right. So like, you hope that he can get back to that because last year he had just a crazy touchdown interception.

[Stugotz]

He was great.

[Billy Gill]

He wasn't throwing any interceptions. This year he's throwing more interceptions.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Also, can we. Can we. Can we do it real quick? Just real quick. Winners and losers, I want it.

[Stugotz]

Oh, boy.

[Billy Gill]

Presented by smearing off the world's number one. Please drink responsibly. Oh, that sounds like winners and losers anyways.

[Stugotz]

Does it?

[Billy Gill]

It is.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, the music.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

So. Winners and losers, presented by Smirnoff, the world's number one vodka. The biggest winner of the weekend. And you're not going to. It's related to this game and you're going to understand why as soon as I get to it. Biggest winner this weekend, Dan Orlovsky.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow. Yes. I think you're right.

[Billy Gill]

Huge winner this week.

[Stugotz]

He's off the hook.

[Billy Gill]

Off the hook. He won't. He won't be. We're still going to see it, but C.J. stroud coming in, everyone was raving about him. Dan Orlovsky, great commentator, very nice guy. Weird eater by all accounts.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Friend of the show. He's been on a number of times. Very lovely man.

[Stugotz]

Yep.

[Billy Gill]

But I would say, like, in terms of his professional career, like people weren't going to say he's one of the all time greats.

[Stugotz]

No, no one would say that he's even good. I mean.

[Billy Gill]

Well, I say that respecting it. Step too far.

[Stugotz]

Dan Orlovsky is a friend. All time. Okay. He's okay. But I think by his own admission, he would tell you. Yeah. It was just okay.

[Billy Gill]

I'm just saying, if you want to show someone running out of the end zone. Are you going to show Dan Orlovsky or are you going to show C.J. strout?

[Stugotz]

No, it's Stroud's forever.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, well, I think it's still. I think it still might be Orlovsky because at least Stroud there was, like, pressure who's being pushed and kind of touched out of bounce, whatever, where lawsuits just running around like a, you know, chicken with his head cut off, as they say.

[Stugotz]

Plus. Plus, it's the original.

[Billy Gill]

So it is right here. Here's OG here's the point.

[Stugotz]

You could have a million buff fumbles. It's always going to be owned by Mark Sanchez. I mean, that's it. I think you're right.

[Billy Gill]

I don't think you can have a million butt fumbles.

[Stugotz]

I said if you could.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Mark Sanchez would still own that moment.

[Billy Gill]

The point is, it was. It was a great moment for Dan Orlovsky and the ORLOVSKY FAMILY Because C.J. stroud, who everyone says is, you know, going to be a great. Had a great rookie season, you know, is going to be a great player. Same thing happened to him yesterday. And by the way, at a worse time, because it was at a potential, you know, time to drive and win the game.

[Stugotz]

Sure.

[Billy Gill]

So anyways, big winner for me. And Winners and losers presented by Smirnoff, the world's number one vodka, Dan Orlofsky.

[Stugotz]

All right. I have a winner here.

[Billy Gill]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

The Chicago Bears.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Stugotz]

While losing. They won. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

It was a. It was a competitive game. I think they see over the last two games that they have a quarterback in Caleb Williams they could feel pretty good about. Maybe they didn't blow that pick.

[Billy Gill]

Wait, hold on a second. What. Where is he now in your rankings? Because you have been putting him, like, out of your top 5 of quarterbacks drafted. Now you're saying the last two weeks they see they have a quarterback.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he's back in. May is out. So.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, yeah. Drake May. Drake.

[Stugotz]

May was bad.

[Billy Gill]

Maybe not.

[Stugotz]

Maybe not. Yeah, right. So he's back into the top five. Caleb Williams. That's a good way. Like, you don't want to win that game. If you're Chicago, you're not going to do anything this year anyway. You want to build around Caleb Williams, you get a better draft pick, but you saw your team be competitive. You saw your team not give up on its coach. And Caleb Williams had his best year, his best game throughout this rookie campaign. That was his best game of the Year, by far.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, question for you guys.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

At this point in the season in the Bears, do you kind of maybe want the team to give up on the coach a little bit? Like, do you kind of maybe not want them to rally around either flu?

[Stugotz]

I think. I think he's out. He's out no matter what.

[Billy Gill]

I know, but do you kind of.

[Stugotz]

I'm sure it doesn't matter, right?

[Billy Gill]

You kind of.

[Stugotz]

Maybe he's gone.

[Billy Gill]

Maybe start the rumblings. Oh, he's lost the team a little bit here to make sure we kind of like. Ah, thanks, Matt. Here you go. We backed your bag for you.

[Stugotz]

This is a. It's a great question Billy's asking, do you want the coach to lose the team? It's never been asked before in the history of doing this. Billy is asking, do you want a coach to lose? Do you want the team to lose confidence in this coach?

[Billy Gill]

And I did not. Not necessarily. But do you want to dispel any narrative of rallying around the coach? Like, almost so much to the point. And this sounds terrible. And by the way, then now the Bears get back into that pattern of drafting a quarterback and firing the coach one year after they draft the quarterback, which we've seen has worked out great for them. So do you. Maybe if you're like a Bears player, I don't even know who it would be. But, like, I. I feel like this is the position of, like, a veteran leader on the Bears.

[Stugotz]

Where?

[Billy Gill]

In the post game.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, you have that.

[Billy Gill]

You have that.

[Stugotz]

That's the guy. Keenan Allen.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Guys, gather around. Seeing some things. Guys, gather around.

[Billy Gill]

No, no, not gather around. No, no.

[Stugotz]

Here's.

[Billy Gill]

Here's the situation. No, he. He. He has.

[Stugotz]

Guys, I sent you an email.

[Billy Gill]

He has. No, no, no, no.

[Stugotz]

Check your texts.

[Billy Gill]

This is how. This is how it goes. So you have a gritty win yesterday. You head into the post game press conference or the scrum around the locker room, and everyone says, wow, you know, like you're saying, great, great loss. You guys showed some fight yesterday. That was a, you know, wow. You really see potential, right?

[Stugotz]

A Ql quality loss. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

I think that's where Keenan Allen, team leader, steps in and says to the media, now, I want to get out ahead of this before we start with this. We are not rallying around our coach. We did not rally around our coach. That's not what happened today.

[Stugotz]

Bad job today moving forward.

[Billy Gill]

No, we did great.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

But let the record show we did not, nor will we be rallying around the coach.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so next week, you're You're. If you're Keenan Allen, you're telling the team to dial it back next week.

[Billy Gill]

No, I'm saying. I'm saying. No, no, I'm saying you don't necessarily dial it back.

[Stugotz]

Well, if you keep being competitive in games against good teams, people are just going to say they're rallying around the coach because we're lazy. I'm playing for my brother.

[Billy Gill]

That's why you immediately come out and get ahead of that narrative right away. I spell that rumor, you say, let it be known.

[Stugotz]

Media.

[Billy Gill]

And I'd say it outright and obviously will lead to some awkward practices.

[Stugotz]

Keenan has to say it, right?

[Billy Gill]

Keenan. Whoever. Whoever.

[Stugotz]

No, Keenan. Keenan's the guy.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, fine. Keenan can say it. Yeah, got. Or. Or. Or if you have like a young, like a DJ Moore comes in and he steps into a leadership role.

[Stugotz]

You asked for a guy, Mikey. A and I are telling you Keaton's your guy.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, it could be, but I'm saying you've seen things. If someone else has to. Yes, if someone else has to. Because listen.

[Stugotz]

But no one else can is what we're telling.

[Billy Gill]

But we. Look, we saw a little bit from Malik Neighbors yesterday with the Giants.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

We saw him come out and he said, not the quarterback, but he hasn't seen exact same results with dj, but.

[Stugotz]

He hasn't seen it. There's problems in the scene.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, there's problems, but he hasn't.

[Stugotz]

Been around the block.

[Billy Gill]

But he stepped up in a leadership role and he went out there in front of the media and he made the comments yesterday. So I think we need someone on the Bears to. To ensure that we head down the correct path here and we bring in a new coach. You come right out and you say, let it be known there's no rallying behind this coach. Nor will there be. We are doing this on our own, of our own volition.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Do not write the headlines. I cannot be more clear here. We're not rallying around this coach.

[Stugotz]

Okay? It's either Keenan Allen or the all time Traveler of the NFL, Mercedes Lewis. Oh, wow. He's there. Yeah. Really? 40 years old. Wow. A lot of coaches, a lot of games.

[Billy Gill]

That's the problem is that people say, what are you doing here, Mikey?

[Stugotz]

I want to be clear on what you're saying a lot. But Keenan Allen has taken several trips around the block, right? Are you saying DJ Moore, several trips around them? He's been there and back, right? And back. DJ Moore is still halfway around the block. He hasn't made A Moore is still walking around the block. He's still finding his first time around the block. He'll get there. Yeah, he'll get there. He's good enough to get there. DJ Moore has the big contract. Big contract carries weight. Yeah, but this is. I'm with Mikey on this. It's all about what you've seen. And Keenan Allen has seen stuff.

[Billy Gill]

Jordan Addison. Pretty good, huh?

[Stugotz]

Jordan Addison. Yes, he's pretty. And by the way, what a transition.

[Billy Gill]

Well, no, same game.

[Stugotz]

I know, but I was talking about guys going around the block. Jordan Addison. Yes. Great game.

[Billy Gill]

Also one of the best onside kick recoveries I've ever seen.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, there's too much emphasis on special teams.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, by the way, I was thinking before, I. I thought announcing the onside kick. Even though you know the onside kick is coming, announcing the onside kick kind of takes some of the fun away from the on site kick, right? No, no, still very fun. Kicks are still very fun.

[Stugotz]

I like it announced better. We lose the surprise one, we lose the surprise Super Bowl, Peyton.

[Billy Gill]

You lose that one.

[Stugotz]

But I like the one time it happened. But now if you know what's coming and you're not prepared.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, my God, I love an outside kick. Just to see now how they're placing the ball. Like just lay it on its side. Who knows what that ball is going to do?

[Stugotz]

The kicker has to get wacky, kick.

[Billy Gill]

It into the ground, lay it on the side. Who knows what we're going to do here?

[Stugotz]

All right. Billy told me to hold my horses on Indiana. I did. We do not ignore college football here on God Bless Football. Lucy joins us next.

[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

We do not ignore college football here on God Bless Football. Lucy's going to join us in just a second. She was at Harvard, Yale over the weekend. She's going to Ohio State, Michigan this weekend. She's going from the game to the game. They have no business calling that the game. Harvard, Yale. Billy, what were you saying about flags before we started here, though?

[Billy Gill]

I know. I've just. I found out where Lucy's going this weekend, and I. I view Lucy as college football expert, so I figure she knows, like, the ins and the outs of everything. So, like, I'll throw questions at her, and she usually has an answer because I view her as a historian of sorts.

[Stugotz]

Right. Someone who knows everything. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Lucy, is that fair to call you a college football historian?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I'm 26 years old.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, well, I mean, I feel like you could. What's. What do you think is the youngest historian of anything in the world?

[Stugotz]

Well, it would be. Lucy, 6 years old, college football. Exactly. Yes. Historian.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, when do you get your PhD? How many years does that take?

[Billy Gill]

Okay, so if you get a Bachelor's DE degree. Oh, within four years, you're 22. Right. But, like, if you're, like, a nerd with some AP credits, you could probably get it done in, like, two years. Maybe like a bachelor's degree. So maybe like, a young 20 years old, and then you could get, like, a master's. And what does that take?

[Stugotz]

Why did Lucy ask you? And why are we listening to you like you're some sort of expert in this field? Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Why.

[Stugotz]

Why.

[Billy Gill]

Why are you college.

[Stugotz]

Why are you acting like the historians of historians?

[Billy Gill]

I'm just. I'm. I'm just asking a question. Anyways, the point is, we found out where she was going, so, like, I've always been fascinated. The horseshoe just has this giant flagpole behind one of the end zones.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

And I was thinking about it this weekend because I was watching, and I was like, I wonder if they, like. Because you don't see the top of the flagpole. You just see the base, and it's so out of place, and I'm like, do they take down the flag during the game? That wouldn't make any sense. Right. So, like, no, the flag is flying during the game, but then I thought that it was in the formerly open end of the. Of the horseshoe. But no, it's in the closed end. So I was asking if she knew. She didn't even know the flagpole is there. So I'm not, you know, I don't say, maybe ask someone while you're over there, but maybe we could possibly get to the bottom of it. But you do whatever you're going to do anyways. Happy Thanksgiving week, by the way.

[Stugotz]

So you were surprised, the college football historian at the age of 26. And by the way, it takes up to eight years to get a PhD. Up to eight years? Usually four to six somewhere at that rate. Now I'm the expert.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. But also, like, it depends on the. It depends on the science that you're getting it in.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

Like what you're practicing.

[Stugotz]

Yes. Like college football history.

[Billy Gill]

College football history probably is not the same as, like, yeah, you know, I understand.

[Stugotz]

Lucy, how was Harvard and Yale? How was that game?

[Dan Le Batard]

It was fun. It was definitely weird. Like, it's just a different sort of environment. But it was a really good time. I learned a lot. Did you know whoever wins storms the field every year? So all the. All the Yale students stormed the field after winning that game.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was a. Yeah, it was a good time. I will say Yale students are generally nicer than Harvard students, but there were some. Everyone we talked to was super, super friendly, like some of the nicest students we've ever talked to. But we have never gotten more. No, we don't want to be on camera and speak to you than we did at Harvard.

[Stugotz]

They have no interest.

[Billy Gill]

Wait, hold on a second.

[Stugotz]

I thought important issues up there.

[Billy Gill]

I thought Army, Navy, last year was the worst.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, this one's up there. I would put them around the same where, like, we were just like, hey, you want to talk to us? And it was immediate, like, no.

[Stugotz]

Right. Why is it called the game? I mean, do you know, historian, from.

[Dan Le Batard]

What I learned while I was there, this is the only game that. That at least Harvard students go to. It's the only game that people care about. And so it, like, sells out. It's a very big deal. They've been. It's like 140 straight years of playing. And also, like, the Ivy League can't compete in the fcs. So, like, this is, in a sense, sort of like their championship game because it's the only game that really matters.

[Billy Gill]

So I will say this. I feel Like I insulted Lucy by calling her a historian. Like she assumed this was something for like elderly people. Which is not what I intended to do.

[Stugotz]

It's usually reserved for older.

[Billy Gill]

It was meant as a compliment as someone with a lot of. A wealth of knowledge.

[Stugotz]

It's for people who have been around the block.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. So I would also say because you, you then ask something in a very Keenan Allen. I mean, you ask in a very condescending fashion. You said historian. And I will say this. Historians are always learning. Historians always have more information to learn.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

They're never done learning.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

So I feel like, how about this? You know how like you can go to, to school and you can be like pre med or whatever. Maybe Lucy is pre historian at the moment. You know what I mean? She's getting there.

[Stugotz]

She's working her way.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Prehistorian.

[Stugotz]

Okay. She's got more field experience than most people. Has it ever dawned on you that loose that Lucy doesn't want to be an historian?

[Billy Gill]

Why wouldn't you want to be a historian? Because she's 26 on anything. That's why she's pre history right now.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. Anyways, Lucy, you mentioned storming the field. Yeah, I love field storming.

[Stugotz]

You do?

[Billy Gill]

Big fan. You have been on the record saying you love field storming.

[Stugotz]

Necessary.

[Billy Gill]

Well, no, Lucy, not you.

[Stugotz]

Oh, okay.

[Billy Gill]

Sorry. So I. I feel like this was a bad week for the future of field storming. We had multiple field storming incidents that, that went awry and I feel like this may be setting a bad precedent moving forward. Like there are sanctions that can be levied for field storming and it never deters anyone. But I wonder now, after two bad ones this weekend, if we're going to up the situation now.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wouldn't say that's going to happen. The whole thing that happened with Arizona State, I don't think that the chaotic nature of that one was incredibly intense. But I do believe there have been things like that that have happened before. I think I was, I was at a game, it was Clemson and Clemson storms the field after every single game. It's like their tradition where the same sort of thing happened. Obviously it's a very different situation because Clemson's prepared for them to storm the field every single game. But that is not the first time that fans have stormed the field and there has been extra time on the clock. I think it was one of the more dramatic times with Kenny Dillingham and his wife. They were just like screaming at the refs and all this stuff happening I don't think there's anything they can do that will ever official eliminate storm feeling or like storming the fields because they're college kids and they're going to do what they want and they don't really care. So, like, yes, that was probably not good. But honestly, more funny than anything, I think that storm fielding will live on.

[Stugotz]

I agree.

[Billy Gill]

Well, yeah.

[Stugotz]

You're trying to abolish it, it seems.

[Billy Gill]

No, I'm not. I was feeling. I was feeling. Not great about it. But the historic spoken and nowadays.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, pay the fine, move on. Alabama's getting what, $300,000.

[Stugotz]

I have some Lucy or Goosey for you. I know you're going to Ohio State, Michigan. We'll talk about that after we get through some of these. But Lucy or Goosey, this is the big question from the weekend. Interested in what you're going to say here. Did Indiana do enough for the committee to put them in the playoff?

[Dan Le Batard]

I am going to say Goosey but with an asterisk because I don't think Indiana did enough. We all watched that game. Wish it went a different way. First quarter was fun. Everything else was really, really bad. There just is a talent gap between Ohio State and everybody else. And you saw that with Indiana. I think it's more important what happened after the Indiana game. Ole Miss losing at Florida State, Alabama losing at Oklahoma, BYU losing at Arizona State. Like there were just losses left and right. Colorado losing to Kansas. Like everything is different now there. No teams had better weekends than Georgia and Tennessee because they feel pretty confident that they're going to make the playoff at this point. But Alabama picking up a third loss is crazy. Ole Miss picking up a third loss is crazy. The SEC did a lot of crazy stuff this weekend. Texas A and M losing, all of that helps Indiana significantly. Now, did Indiana have a pretty bad game against Ohio State? Absolutely. But they the rest of their body of work. I know they don't have a really big signature win is impressive. So I don't know what's going to happen. I think Indiana probably deserves to be in the playoff at this point. You're an 11 win team and you can make similar arguments for Notre Dame, for Texas. Notre Dame has a great win against A and M, but that one doesn't look as good right now. Texas's only win is against Michigan. That's the same thing for Indiana. Indiana is just a team that people are already predestined to be like, you shouldn't be here. So I think they're going to be in. I Don't think they did enough to help that, but I think everybody else did.

[Stugotz]

Are you expecting the committee to make some tweaks to how we're doing this next year?

[Dan Le Batard]

Absolutely. I expect there to be tweaks across the board. Not even just the College Football Playoff committee. I don't know how anybody gets in a conference championship. I have no clue.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I keep trying to learn and it doesn't make any sense. They're just picking, they're just choosing.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like you can choose to put Purdue in the conference championship if you want to. Like, I don't understand how anything's happening. They're going to have to make some changes because as much as I have loved this crazy year and as much as I love the idea of an Indiana making the playoff, watching all these upsets yesterday, watching all this happened, all I could think of, man, this would be much better if there were six teams, eight teams, even four teams, because what Indiana probably hopefully will make the playoff and Ohio State definitely will as well. There we saw that there's an incredible talent gap between those two and there's an incredible talent gap between the top four teams in the country and everybody else. So I think it's just a little. They're not going to change it. They're probably going to expand it more. It's going to be Mike Leach's 64 team playoff. But they're going to have to change the way that they decide teams, the metrics they use, how they explain it to us. This is definitely a trial run.

[Stugotz]

Lucy, do you think the talent gap will shrink over time now that more teams are getting in? So like more players might be like, you know what, I will go to Indiana because they do have a shot.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wouldn't. I. I do think the talent gap will shrink in some ways, but I don't actually think it's because of that. I think it's all nil based where you can go make money at Ohio State. But now Indiana probably has some donors who really want to put some money behind that football team and that's what's going to get players to go to a different school. I think the talent gap will always be there. Ohio State's roster is like $20 million. Like it's insane. I think it's way more than that, actually. But I think it'll all. I think there's always going to be some level of talent gap. There's Georgia is always going to have more talent. Ohio State's always going to have more talent. Texas is always Going to have more talent, but nil will be the real factor that's going to. To really sort of not even the playing field, but make it a little more competitive at the. Not elite level, but the great level.

[Stugotz]

Lucy, I think what you'll have is more teams, teams that, you know, don't usually have a quarterback. More teams will have a good quarterback. And if you have a good quarterback, then you have a chance. Meaning, you know, Alabama at times or Georgia, they'll have two, three. Ohio State's a perfect example, will have two or three quarterbacks and the guy who's starting will stay. And the guy who's second or third on the depth chart will go somewhere else and see if he can prove himself there. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I agree. And I would say you've even sort of seen that before this whole new playoff era. I mean, Justin Field started at Georgia.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then went to Ohio State. When you were started at Ohio State. Now is it Texas? I think that like the days of backup quarterbacks in college football are long over and I don't think they're coming back. But I do think you're not going to see these teams that have such stacked quarterback rooms anymore because you can go to Penn State and make the playoff. Hell, you could potentially go to Indiana and make the playoffs. So there's a lot of room for players to sort of move around. But I think more of it is, is money based than playoff based.

[Stugotz]

Billy, you made a sound there. But all I'm saying is quarterbacks just want a platform. They don't care if they win a national championship. Great. They just want a platform to show the NFL scouts, hey, I could play. That's it. They just want an opportunity time.

[Billy Gill]

I was just. Penn State.

[Stugotz]

I'm sorry, Lucy or Goosey? We're six days out here, okay. From the game, the actual game. Ohio State, Michigan. Lucy or Goosey? Six days out. Are you already nervous for Ryan Day?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm gonna go Goosey, which is a shocking answer for me. Michigan's offense is a level of anemic that only I would be familiar with that. I know, I understand how bad that TR is. I'm not going into this game with any hope for Michigan.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Lucy or goosey? The Big 12 is an absolute mess.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh my God. Lucy.

[Stugotz]

Lucy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lucy. It's on fire.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

There are four teams. There's a four way tie for first right now. And I believe Iowa State has not played any of the other teams that are tied up top. I believe that color. I don't know If Colorado's at the top anymore, I don't know if they've played anybody else. It is a mess. It is. No one knows. Arizona State might make the championship. Iowa State might make the championship. I think BYU is still in the running, potentially. Colorado. The only one who's for sure not going is Oklahoma State. They are for sure not making it. It is.

[Stugotz]

I.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is so confusing. That conference took everything from the Pac 12. They took all the teams and they took all the weirdness.

[Stugotz]

You're right. I don't know what to do about the College Football Playoff, but it is confusing. I have no idea. She just said Arizona State and I just realized Arizona State's in the Big 12. Hold up, hold up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just listen. I want everyone to just listen to this for a second, what I'm about to say. Cause it's. I'm not lying. I'm telling you the truth.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

Arizona State could have a first round by in the College Football Playoff.

[Stugotz]

That's great.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's like a. That is a real legit possibility right now.

[Stugotz]

The Sun Devils. I mean, it's crazy. I haven't been this good since Jake Plummer. I mean, it's unbelievable.

[Dan Le Batard]

Insane.

[Stugotz]

Lucy or Goosey? Notre Dame is the most complete team in the country.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm going to go Goosey. I think it's tough to watch what Ohio State did this weekend and say that there's a team better than them. I think Oregon is really, really good. Notre Dame is a very good football team. That's like weird enough flying under the radar. That's because they really haven't had, you know, anything on their schedule since Texas A and M. And I know you can say that army and Navy are better than they normally be, but they' close to Notre Dame's level. They're a very good football team right now. Riley Leonard is playing really, really well, but I don't believe that they're the most complete team in the country.

[Stugotz]

All right, two more. We'll get you out of here. Lucy or Goosey? Syracuse will upset Miami.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm going to go Goosey, but not with a ton of confidence. The first half of that Wake Forest game, if you even keep it close against Wake Forest, counts as a loss, in my, my opinion. Yes, obviously Miami pulled away, did the sort of Miami thing. They're a very hard predict, but I think that Cam Ward is good enough to beat anybody. And I believe with that, Miami will play SMU in the ACC Championship, which SMU has locked up their spot in the ACC Championship. What a Weird sentence to say.

[Stugotz]

So weird. Lucy or Goosey? Texas A and M who lost over the weekend will be Texas.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm going to go goosey on this one. I think them losing to Auburn really does hurt Texas case. Mike Elko was probably a little too. A little too cutesy with it this week, making jokes about how he was already overlooking Auburn to Texas, which you probably shouldn't have done.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

But losses to teams that are that bad, which Auburn is a bad football team. Big wake up call. So I do think it helps A and M's case. It's also at home. It's in College Station. Helps A and M's case. But this is Texas, like, real sort of moment here. I think they secure a spot in the SEC championship with a win once again. I don't know. I really don't. But Texas needs that signature win. They don't really have it right now, and this is. Is kind of the chance to get it. Also, this is a very interesting rivalry. There's a lot of hate between these two teams and they have not played in a long time. So I'm going with Texas, but I don't say that with a ton of confidence.

[Stugotz]

All right. You're headed to Columbus, Ohio, this weekend. First time there? Ohio State. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

First time at going to a game with the Shoe. I have been to Columbus before. Nice town.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Just on vacation.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Why'd you go there?

[Dan Le Batard]

Iowa was playing in the NCAA tournament and it was a host round.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Yes, it is a nice town. You're going to find out about the flag for Billy, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's top of my list of all the work I have to do.

[Stugotz]

It's overrated. Columbus. I got to be honest.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I had fun.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

I mean, listen.

[Billy Gill]

Why are you taking shots at Columbus?

[Stugotz]

Well, because someone took shots at me. Literal shots.

[Billy Gill]

Someone shot at Columbus.

[Stugotz]

They shot up my hotel. Yes. I stayed at a nice hotel and there were gunshots and I woke up the next morning, all the streets were closed off. I don't want to alarm you.

[Billy Gill]

I don't believe someone shot.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where did you.

[Stugotz]

They shot up.

[Billy Gill]

Shot up your hotel.

[Stugotz]

I stayed right on that main street where all the cool bars are. It's a very nice area. I love the area.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know Ohio State is in Columbus, but it's kind of separate.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

You stay at hotels where people overdose, though. They don't get murdered.

[Stugotz]

I'm telling you what happened when I was there. I mean, look it up. He stays at a tax evasion hotel. I've been around the block.

[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

It is.

[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

We. We've had a lot of fun in this episode so far. I've had a lot of fun. Anyways, I don't know about you guys.

[Stugotz]

I have. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Now, something that we haven't done there, there are some staples that we haven't done this season yet. We still haven't done our bcs. And I feel like it's almost time to get our first BCS rankings out there.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

You know what I mean?

[Stugotz]

Yes, of course.

[Billy Gill]

And honestly, the way the season's gone, we would have been primed for lots of movement on the BCS this year.

[Stugotz]

But would've been a great year for the bcs. People are clamoring for the bcs. It was a simpler time. It was.

[Billy Gill]

This is what I'm gonna tell you and I don't mean to point the finger, but.

[Stugotz]

Ok, but you're gonna point the finger.

[Billy Gill]

Mike Golick, this is on you.

[Stugotz]

Wow.

[Billy Gill]

Because you're not receptive of the BCS and you do not respect us.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

I was gonna say you don't respect our, you know, commission, but it really is us. You don't respect us.

[Stugotz]

He doesn't.

[Billy Gill]

And as a result, the listeners are suffering. So the BCS is coming back, Jack, whether you like it or not.

[Stugotz]

Wow. Wow, wow. You know what? You know what? I'm going to go a step further on that Golic. You laughed. You laughed at my what if this week and I told you, Mike, what happens if Florida beats Ole Miss, Oklahoma beats Bama and A and M loses to Auburn. He goes, that's not going to happen. You know what happened? All of it.

[Billy Gill]

All of it happens. All of it.

[Stugotz]

All of it. Do you. What if. Do you feel what Billy feels? That Mike Golick, while nice to us, while a friend to us, almost like a dad figure to us. Do you feel like he doesn't respect us at all? No, I don't think he respects. He doesn't.

[Billy Gill]

It makes me wonder, honestly, and this is going to sound weird, but like, it makes me wonder if like something happens. There's been a massive cover up. He has court ordered community service and somehow he talked like his parole officer into letting this count at his community service.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

Because if you notice, he's never really in a rush to get out. He'll talk to us as long as we want. I feel like it's just a situation and I know guys is not paying him, so I feel like it's a situation where like he's just milking the clock and he has a number that he's trying to get to and somehow this has just been like covered up on the down low. No one knows what's going on. But he's kind of just joining us because he's been almost. I don't want to sentenced to join us. But yeah, like there's a, there's a reason he's joining us because he, he likes kind of talking to us maybe, but like not enough to like even indulge us in our bcs.

[Stugotz]

He doesn't respect a single thing. He joins us because he's a nice, he's probably the nicest man I've ever met. Community service he's doing or because he's doing community service. Billy's right. Is he asking you to sign a time sheet? No. That's a big giveaway.

[Billy Gill]

He did ask one time. He did ask me one time. He said like, hey, can you send my, my hours over? Punch him, punch out. And I was like, punch in, punch out. Like, sure, don't worry about it. Yeah, now it's starting to all add up.

[Stugotz]

He's always there for us though. He's just, you know, he doesn't care what it is we have to say what I do a couple of times a year and I haven't done it this year because he doesn't respect anything we have to say.

[Billy Gill]

Correct.

[Stugotz]

I'll bring on A Tony Baselli. Yeah, I'll bring on. A Dwight Freeney. Yeah, I'll bring on. And it's a totally different Golic. He's engaged. Well, he's talking to someone who's had their hand in the dirt. We haven't. I mean, that's it. Well, that's what it boils down to with Mike. Have you had your hand was in the dirt? I mean, you know, in high school.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, same.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Eighth grade.

[Stugotz]

Yep.

[Billy Gill]

That's a difference.

[Stugotz]

It's been a minute for me. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Here's the thing. Like, Cooper Manning got injured. Right. And because an injury ended his career, I'm sure. I'm sure that Mike respects Cooper Manning much more than me. Now, my injury was. I just wasn't growing.

[Stugotz]

Sure.

[Billy Gill]

And they said, you know what? At 5 foot 3, 95 pounds, football's not for you, Billy. And they weren't wrong. I would have gotten seriously hurt if I continued playing.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

But in Cooper's, My body gave up by not starting.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. I had an injury, too. Was a lack of talent. Was my injury. Right. In Cooper's case, I think that injury prevented him from being the greatest Manning of all time.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, but I was pre injured.

[Stugotz]

Big list. No, but everyone says he was. The. The entire family says Coup was the most athletic of all of us. I don't know. Because he never had a shot.

[Billy Gill]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

Thank you. Give him this one, Mikey.

[Billy Gill]

I get two hall of Fame brothers.

[Stugotz]

The same thing with his brother, you know, And I think it's more like, you know, let say it. But it's different when your brother's playing win Super Bowls. Your other brother. Other brother never gets the upper opportunity to.

[Billy Gill]

That's why they're kind of sterling.

[Stugotz]

We have the evidence. We can see it. That's the life.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. So anyways, I feel like. I feel like Mike doesn't respect me because I made the. I made the difficult decision to give up on the game before I got seriously injured.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

So I made probably the prudent decision.

[Stugotz]

You know what's funny about all of this is even Mike, when he was on with us last week, he actually brought up the bc. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, he did. He. Yes, he wants it.

[Stugotz]

He does.

[Billy Gill]

Anyways, the point is. And we're not doing the BCS now, but the point is, we've been missing out on some of our, you know, more famous segments and another one that we've been missing out on. And I feel like today's a good day to do it. If the season ended today.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Wow. We haven't done that. College or NFL, I think NFL, actually.

[Billy Gill]

Mike's right.

[Stugotz]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. We can actually do if the season ended today after the rankings, if you guys would like to do that. But, Mikey A. Are you thinking, because you were the one clamoring for this, are you thinking about an NFL if the season ended today? Is that what we're doing here? I was just looking at some of the standings and I thought, you know, if the season ended today. And then it hit me like, we haven't done it. Right.

[Billy Gill]

Well, did you have anything that stuck out on you or you want me to present some scenarios or what do you want to do?

[Stugotz]

I, I, I mean, if the season ended today, The packers, at 8 and 3, are the 6 seed.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Wow. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. But I don't think that's how you play. If the season ended today, maybe we're rusty. We gotta, you know, we gotta dust off. Yeah, that's what.

[Billy Gill]

Let's get. Teach us.

[Stugotz]

Right. Well, you have, like, you have to do it by playoff match, you know, matchups.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, show us. How do you do it?

[Stugotz]

Of course. Well, who's the seventh seed in the AFC right now?

[Billy Gill]

Broncos.

[Stugotz]

The Broncos are the seven, See? Okay. They would play the Bills. Okay. In Buffalo if the season ended today, would you give the Broncos a chance against the Bills in Buffalo? Really? IKEA is saying yes.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Stugotz]

Absolutely. Right. How about this? If the season ended today, would Saquon Barkley be the NFL mvp? Huh?

[Billy Gill]

Bo Nicks was good again, by the way.

[Stugotz]

I know he was offensive player of the year.

[Billy Gill]

I don't think. Who do you, who would you, if the season ended today, who would be the mvp?

[Stugotz]

So I think it has to be Josh Allen. But a lot of people this morning are saying Saquon Barkley, and it's not Saquon Barkley.

[Billy Gill]

Well, I mean, it's never Saquon at another career game.

[Stugotz]

Listen to me. It's never a running back, okay?

[Billy Gill]

He's been so good this year.

[Stugotz]

I, I, he's been f, he's been great. He hasn't been good. He has been great. But the most important position in that sport is quarterback, and therefore quarterback should always win the mvp. I don't care what anyone says.

[Billy Gill]

Let's be very.

[Stugotz]

What about Derrick Henry? Also been great.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Very similar numbers. Right? We've talked about this. This is why the Offensive Player of the Year exists, so they don't have to give it to a quarterback every year.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, guys.

[Stugotz]

Oh, boy.

[Billy Gill]

I want to get out on the front end of this and say friend of the show, Brian D. Yes. Friend of the show, Joe Shane. Yeah, they're both done. Right? Like they, like, like it's not even releasing Daniel Jones.

[Stugotz]

So the owner said they're safe. Both of them.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, that's what you say.

[Stugotz]

No, I understand that you have. You. You don't have any reason to believe him. I'm just telling you what he said.

[Billy Gill]

They're not. They're not safe. I'm telling you. The owner says they're safe. Billy Gill saying they're not safe.

[Stugotz]

All right.

[Billy Gill]

That doesn't mean they're going to get fired. They're not safe.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

And I'm not even sure if it's the Daniel Jones of it.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

Saon Barkley may get them fired.

[Stugotz]

The fact that you let that guy go, he went to Philadelphia, it's a bad move. But if the Giants. To our point about mvp, if the Giants had Saquon Barkley, they wouldn't be any better off. They wouldn't be at all. Maybe a game. Neither would Saquon, to be honest. Right. I mean, maybe a game. This isn't even. The only thing that would be worse would be the Eagles. I think that's the only difference. The Eagles wouldn't be as good.

[Billy Gill]

You don't think that the Giants would be any better?

[Stugotz]

Maybe a game better. This is an Eagle team that made it to the super bowl with Miles Sanders, who's in Carolina right now doing nothing. They can't get on the field. This is an Eagles team who made it to the playoffs the last three years without Saquon Boy Barkley.

[Billy Gill]

Then I think that you guys have just made the argument as to why Saquon Barkley is not the mvp.

[Stugotz]

Check. Wow. Unlike golden, you respect our opinions.

[Billy Gill]

Well, no, not at all, but okay. If you wanted to.

[Stugotz]

By the way, you know how we say the Ravens always have one of those losses, especially in the playoffs? Yeah. And the Ravens for some reason can't beat the Steelers. Right. Well, if the season ended today. Ravens at Steelers. Wow. That was a good loss for the Steelers against the Browns. A bad win for the Browns and a great loss for the Steelers. It allows Tomlin to reset. It does. It just allows for a reset. And he can work them for the next ten days like crazy. Because it's a humbling loss. And no one loves a humbling loss more so than Mike Tomlin.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

He's looking for a humbling loss.

[Stugotz]

He loves opportunities to humble his team. Yeah. Yes. To bring them back down to earth, Billy. To remind them they're not as good as they thought they were. That we still have work to do. That we have more blades of grass to defend. Yes. Mike Tomlin loves that. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

He does. Season ended today. Mike Tomlin, coach of the year. Probably Dan Campbell. Really?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

They need a loss. They do.

[Billy Gill]

I'm telling you right now, in the worst way. They need a loss.

[Stugotz]

And if someone's going to get injured for three weeks, it should be this weekend.

[Billy Gill]

You're just advising all NFL players injure yourself this weekend if you're gonna have a three week injury.

[Stugotz]

NFL players on contending teams. Yes. If you're gonna get hurt, do it for three weeks. Do it this weekend.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. All right, let me write that down.

[Stugotz]

The BBB is coming up next.

[Billy Gill]

Time.

[Stugotz]

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[Billy Gill]

Did you not see it? Aren't you a Jets fan? How do you not see these. These reports come out?

[Stugotz]

I decided. Just assume you read my articles. No, no, listen, I'm sorry, my apologies. But I decided that I would like to have a stress free weekend and not think about the Jets. Jets. Not read about the Jets. Not watch the Jets. Just watch. All their former players around the NFL excel in different places. I'm happy for Sam Darnold. Congratulations, Gino Smith. You too. What happened?

[Billy Gill]

Do you know Joe Douglas was fired?

[Stugotz]

Well, yes, that I know.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. I'm just. I'm trying to figure. I'm trying to backtrack and figure out where we are.

[Stugotz]

That's where I left off. Joe Douglas is fired.

[Billy Gill]

Douglas is fired.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Do you know that they have no intention of bringing Aaron Rodgers back next year?

[Stugotz]

I do know that. Yes, I heard that.

[Billy Gill]

Do you know that Aaron Rodgers. But he's not retired that he's not retiring. He wants to come back next year.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Okay, great. We'll see. Who's interested in taking Aaron Rogers? Probably San Francisco would be my guess.

[Billy Gill]

Why would San Francisco take him?

[Stugotz]

I just think that's a place he's, it's where he's from. It's a place he's always wanted to go. And him and Kyle Shanahan have a good relationship.

[Billy Gill]

Why would you take him over Brock Pie?

[Stugotz]

I don't know. I, I, I, I'm just guessing. Billy. I'm not saying.

[Billy Gill]

They had Brandon Allen play yesterday and.

[Stugotz]

He was, he was terrible. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

So you kind of saw Brock Pie. Maybe, Maybe Brock Purdy works here.

[Stugotz]

So, Mikey, are you living with that fear that Aaron goes elsewhere next year and that team's going to get a great Aaron Rogers and we missed out on two of Aaron Rodgers or you think he's done? Oh, no, I've accepted that as actually going to happen. Like that's going to happen. He's going to go to a place like Vegas that needs a quarterback, and all of a sudden you're going to look up and be like, oh, man, Vegas is a juggernaut. How the hell did they get this right? Oh, because Aaron Rodgers is going to play like the old Aaron Rodgers just to rub it in our face, right? And yeah, that's, that's what we're looking at. He's got one MVP season left in him and it's not for us. He does not have an MVP season. Daniel Jones more likely to have MVP season than 100. More likely than Aaron Rodgers. It's gonna be farve in Minnesota. They don't get Mikey. He was just ridiculous. Mikey, they don't under. It doesn't matter how we try to explain how this thing works to them to not. They don't understand this. When we get Aaron Rodgers, he tears his Achilles in four snaps. We don't understand. And when we give up. Yeah, you do. The team that had Dante C. Pepper rushing to the into an end zone pointing at his knee doesn't understand. I spent my day watching two former Jet quarterbacks excel in other places. Anyway, we're fighting. I love you. Thanksgiving week. What are we doing?

[Billy Gill]

I don't. You're Aaron Rodgers is. I I. I really.

[Stugotz]

If anybody's gonna break this jets curse for you guys, it's Aaron Rodgers. I not. No.

[Billy Gill]

I really, really wonder what team would take him on, by the way.

[Stugotz]

We'll see.

[Billy Gill]

In fantasy, I was talking about how great I was gonna do this week. I finished, I think, like, four spots from the bottom in our fantasy.

[Stugotz]

Way to go. I thought it was your week.

[Billy Gill]

The world's number one vodka. Please drink respons. Here's the thing. It's not on me. And I don't want to be the guy that points fingers at his players. It's not on me. My players are not performing. That's simply it. There's nothing else that I can say. They're not performing to the level that I need them to perform to. And I feel like we're going to have a nice, long, awkward Thanksgiving meal because next week's my week. Mark my words.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, awkward Thanksgiving meal with the team, because you get a new team every week.

[Billy Gill]

You know they're all coming. Every single one of them that has let me down this season is coming. Presented by Smirnoff, the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. That's our fantasy update. Here we go, our BB BB's. Guys, I have breaking news that I can't deliver to you yet, but it's very exciting and you're going to know more about this next week. Here's my first pick of the week because we're running out of time.

[Stugotz]

The rare breaking news that you can't deliver. Go ahead.

[Billy Gill]

It's exciting news. You're going to find out more.

[Stugotz]

It's not even broken yet.

[Billy Gill]

Next week, Billy's Big Boy Bets. Brought to you by. Still waiting on a sponsor. So, okay, first pick, Cameron Dicker. Over one and a half field goals.

[Stugotz]

All right. Dicker, the kicker. I love it. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Dicker the kicker seems like a lock. 1 1/2 field goals.

[Stugotz]

Okay, that is the. That is the first big board bet. What's your record here? Big board bets for the year.

[Billy Gill]

So I had an off week last week. I went one and two for the first time since week one. But I. 30 and 16 on the season. Still doing pretty.

[Stugotz]

You were playing hurt, though. You were playing hurt.

[Billy Gill]

I really was not doing well last week. I think everybody. Everybody saw it and it affected me. But that's fine. No excuses. We're just going to keep moving on.

[Stugotz]

All right? I would say this show in general has done very good in terms of at least trying to help you make some money here. Billy's. Been good. I've been good with. Do you got. You have a second pick here for bbb, huh?

[Billy Gill]

All right. This is my fun one today. Okay.

[Stugotz]

A funsy.

[Billy Gill]

This is my fun one.

[Stugotz]

All right.

[Billy Gill]

We can all watch together and we'll all celebrate when it happens.

[Stugotz]

All right.

[Billy Gill]

Derrick Henry's long rush of the night will be over 16 and a half yards.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Yes.

[Billy Gill]

He has done it every week except two weeks. One of them was week one against the Chiefs. The other one was in the game against the Bengals. Every other time he's had a rushing a rush where his long was over 16 and a half yards.

[Stugotz]

Okay, that's a. That's the fun one.

[Billy Gill]

That's the fun one because we can watch it together. And as soon as it happens, you go, yeah.

[Stugotz]

All right.

[Billy Gill]

I did it.

[Stugotz]

There it is. Do we call each other doing on any play? Do we text each other? Why don't we text each other? What do we do?

[Billy Gill]

We can text each other, but this is more for the fans to enjoy with us. And now, finally, how do you spell that? This week, the past couple weeks, we've been betting the under. Yes, it has been so depressing. No one likes under and we're in a festive mood. Thanksgiving week, holidays right around the corner. Yes, we're gonna go over 50 and a half points today.

[Stugotz]

I like it.

[Billy Gill]

Over. We're hoping for points. We're hoping for an offensive outburst this week.

[Stugotz]

You would think you would get that with Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert, but we're hoping. Who the hell knows this league?

[Billy Gill]

Who knows?

[Stugotz]

Three nothing in half.

[Billy Gill]

I hope not. God, I can't do another three nothing in half.

[Stugotz]

God bless God bless football. Enough specialties.

[Billy Gill]

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[Stugotz]

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