GBF- Super Week: Cam Jordan, Matthew Berry, Will Shields, NY Jets, Warrick Dunn

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Episode GBF- Super Week: Cam Jordan, Matthew Berry, Will Shields, NY Jets, Warrick Dunn

Release Date: February 5, 2025

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, recorded live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, host Dan Le Batard and co-host Stugotz dive deep into a myriad of topics surrounding Super Bowl week. Featuring special guests Ed McCaffrey, Will Shields, Cam Jordan, and humorous interludes with Stugotz, the episode offers an engaging mix of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and light-hearted banter.

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1. Super Bowl Week Promotions and Events

Ed McCaffrey’s Super Bowl Tailgate with Smirnoff

Ed McCaffrey, a renowned former NFL player, shares details about his involvement with Smirnoff’s Super Bowl week activities. He describes organizing "the longest tailgate ever," featuring a 60-foot truck bed, gourmet food, a chef on-site, and appearances by fellow former players Vernon Davis and Chris Long. McCaffrey emphasizes the importance of responsible drinking while promoting community engagement during the festivities.

• Ed McCaffrey: “[...] we have to be responsible, drink responsibly, have a great time, engage, just enjoy each other [...]” [09:04]

PNG Battle of the Paddles

The show highlights the PNG Battle of the Paddles event, where NFL players compete in ping pong matches. Co-host Taylor discusses his excitement about teaming up with Kirk Cousins against opponents like Micah Parsons and Chris Olave. The segment features playful coaching tips and predictions about the tournament's outcome.

• Billy Gill: “We love this conversation. I want to hear about the times you have met Jimmy Buffett.” [25:51]

2. Personal Anecdotes and Experiences

Stugotz’s Encounter with Raheem Mostert

Stugotz narrates an awkward yet memorable encounter with Raheem Mostert during a flight. Initially hesitant to approach the star running back, Stugotz eventually introduces himself, leading to a brief but notable interaction that underscores the challenges of celebrity encounters.

• Stugotz: “I end up then seeing this person at baggage claim [...] and I'm like, well, I should I. If I say anything, it'll be now.” [05:44]

Jimmy Buffett Stories

Stugotz reminisces about his multiple interactions with the late Jimmy Buffett, including participating in the Bing and Bong Show and attending his New Year’s Eve concert at the Barclays Center. Despite his enthusiasm, Stugotz humorously laments Buffett’s lack of recognition during these events.

• Stugotz: “He never once recognizes me or acknowledged me, which is fine. Totally fine. Like, he's playing to 20,000 people, right?” [27:09]

Peloton Adventures

Stugotz shares a comedic account of purchasing a Peloton bike after his family urged him. Despite initial reluctance, he perseveres through challenging workouts, highlighting the benefits of staying active.

• Stugotz: “It was so challenging, more challenging than I could have ever imagined.” [24:07]

3. Football Analysis and Discussions

Saquon Barkley and Jaden Daniels

The hosts discuss Saquon Barkley’s impressive performance and potential trajectory, comparing him to historical greats like Will Shields. Ed McCaffrey praises Barkley’s ability to create opportunities on the field, while also analyzing Jaden Daniels’ impact as a rookie quarterback.

• Ed McCaffrey: “Saquon [...] has been able to do that. He's hitting them at the right time and making guys miss.” [17:48]
• Stugotz: “Big crowd. I can kind of get in there.” [07:05]

Coaching Greatness: Bill Belichick vs. Brian Billick

A heated debate erupts over the merits of Bill Belichick compared to Brian Billick. Stugotz and Dan Le Batard argue that Belichick’s success is heavily tied to Tom Brady, suggesting Billick stands taller without relying on a single star quarterback.

• Stugotz: “Brian Bilek is the greatest coach of all time. [...] Andy Reid and Bill Belichick shouldn't even be in this conversation.” [33:55]
• Dan Le Batard: “I fully agree.” [34:22]

Fantasy Football Insights

The episode delves into fantasy football strategies, highlighting the potential of players like Jalen Hurts and Dylan Daniels. Tips on drafting and managing players underscore the competitive nature of fantasy leagues during Super Bowl week.

• Stugotz: “Jaden Daniels is three. And I think the hype on him is going to be so real.” [38:08]
• Billy Gill: “Our producer made the most useless contribution to this show in the four-year history of this show.” [35:58]

4. Family and Personal Life

Ed McCaffrey on Family and Business

Ed McCaffrey discusses balancing family life with entrepreneurial pursuits, including his ventures with Rocky Mountain Mustard and Protein Bites. He reflects on his pride in his sons' athletic careers and the importance of fostering healthy, responsible lifestyles.

• Ed McCaffrey: “I'm thankful that I do have the ability to impact communities in a positive way.” [11:14]
• Cam Jordan: “We said, you have to do something. You're not going to sit around the house playing video games all day.” [70:19]

Cam Jordan’s Parenting and Business Ventures

Cam Jordan shares insights into raising his children, emphasizing support without imposing pressure. He also highlights his business, McCaffrey Brands, focusing on healthy, delicious snack options designed to cater to various dietary needs.

• Cam Jordan: “My goal is to one day be the Mustard King of Castle Rock, Colorado.” [67:05]
• Cam Jordan: “It's so hard to get a good tasting, healthy snack food. So you should still eat healthy breakfast, lunch, and dinner.” [66:49]

5. Product Promotions and Endorsements

McCaffrey Brands: Mustard and Protein Bites

Cam Jordan introduces McCaffrey Brands' line of gourmet mustards and healthy protein bites. He elaborates on the company's commitment to quality, variety, and responsiveness to market trends, positioning their products as superior alternatives in the condiment and snack industries.

• Cam Jordan: “We can provide [...] we're a speedboat than, you know, an aircraft carrier.” [74:31]
• Billy Gill: “These are delicious. They really are.” [65:35]

Old Spice Promotion with the Old Spice Guy

A humorous segment features the Old Spice Guy promoting the brand’s total body deodorant. The interaction is filled with playful banter and comedic exchanges, showcasing the brand’s distinctive marketing style.

• Old Spice Guy: “Total body freshness. [...] The love is abound.” [81:20-83:06]
• Billy Gill: “I love you, man.” [91:44-91:54]

6. Community and Health Initiatives

Will Shields’ Gear Up for Cancer Campaign

Will Shields emphasizes the importance of cancer screening, particularly colonoscopies for individuals over 45. He advocates for proactive health measures within the community, highlighting the NFL Alumni’s role in promoting health awareness.

• Will Shields: “Once you reach the age of 45, you need to have your colonoscopy [...]” [53:35-54:07]

7. Light-Hearted Banter and Humorous Moments

The episode is punctuated with moments of levity, including Stugotz’s humorous attempts at using the Peloton, playful interactions with the Old Spice Guy, and friendly ribbing among the hosts and guests. These segments add a relatable and entertaining layer to the show, balancing intense sports discussions with laughter.

• Stugotz: “I jumped on it that first time. It was challenging, more challenging than I thought.” [24:07]
• Old Spice Guy: “No, my favorite word is 'I'm on a horse.'” [83:28]

Notable Quotes

• Ed McCaffrey: “We got to be responsible, drink responsibly, have a great time, engage, just enjoy each other.” [09:04]
• Stugotz: “I was here yesterday.” [03:15]
• Cam Jordan: “My goal is to be the Mustard King of Castle Rock, Colorado.” [67:05]
• Will Shields: “There's only so many teams that's going to get to the super bowl and be an MVP.” [58:37]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a comprehensive blend of sports analysis, personal stories, and community-focused discussions tailored for Super Bowl week. With insights from NFL veterans like Ed McCaffrey, Will Shields, and Cam Jordan, alongside the entertaining antics of Stugotz and special promotions, listeners are treated to a rich and engaging podcast experience. Whether you’re a die-hard football fan, a fantasy football participant, or simply enjoy celebrity anecdotes, this episode provides valuable perspectives and plenty of laughs.

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Transcript

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[Billy Gill]

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[Stugots]

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[Billy Gill]

Yeah, sure thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, you sold that car yet?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, sold it to Carvana. Oh, like I thought you were selling to that guy. The guy who wanted to pay me.

[Stugots]

In foreign currency, no interest, over 36 months. Yeah, no. Carvana gave me an offer in minutes, picked it up and paid me on the spot. It was so convenient.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just like that.

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[Taylor]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

God bless football.

[Billy Gill]

Stugots, how are you, man?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm good. I'm here.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Well, a lot of people are concerned about you. They're calling you Billy Ill. That's really just me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. I don't think a lot of people are calling me that Illy.

[Billy Gill]

Gill. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got a lot of texts yesterday.

[Billy Gill]

Did you?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. I feel like some artistic liberties were being taken with my health. I was asked by multiple people, I heard you're in the hospital. And I said, I am not in the hospital. I was never in the hospital. Seems as though just someone decided to say on air I was hospitalized.

[Billy Gill]

I didn't say that.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I know.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. Okay. It wasn't me. But you thought it was me, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I know who it was. It was Dan. I know that. He said I was in the hospital for some reason.

[Billy Gill]

Did he really?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Glad he has a pulse of his employees.

[Dan Le Batard]

Geez Louise.

[Billy Gill]

I think because he knows you love football so much.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

And he knows you love Radio Rose so much, he just figured it would take something like going to the hospital for you to not be here yesterday.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, yeah, I'm here.

[Billy Gill]

You are here. Yep. How was your flight?

[Dan Le Batard]

It was. It was good. I like a good, quick flight. The last couple Super Bowls have been like five hour flights for us. This is a nice quick one. Up and down an hour 40, more or less.

[Billy Gill]

It was Vegas and Glendale. You're right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. I had. Obviously, because I'm me, I had, like, a stressful situation on the flight.

[Billy Gill]

Of course.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because when I was getting there, I saw someone at check in that I recognized, and I was like, should I go up and say hello to this person or should I not say hello to this person? I don't want to be a bother.

[Billy Gill]

Sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then at the gate, I saw the person, and he had his hoodie on and headphones. And I'm like, I'm not gonna talk to him. And then at.

[Billy Gill]

So you saw a person. You knew who this person was. The person is a celebrity. And unlike me, you were. You were questioning whether or not you should say anything.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, it's gonna get worse when you find out who it is.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, God.

[Dan Le Batard]

So. So I. I end up then seeing this person at baggage claim.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I'm like, well, I should I. If I say anything, it'll be now. Obviously, because I'm not gonna see this person the rest of the week, more than likely. And then other people were talking to this person. I'm like, okay, before I go, I'm just gonna say, you know, hello, introduce myself to the person, whatever, right? Also sitting next to this person, Braxton Barrios. So who we're gonna talk to this.

[Billy Gill]

Week, super bowl week, radio. That's what happens, you know?

[Dan Le Batard]

So there was. There's people on the flight, obviously, coming from Miami over here to New Orleans. And when I saw this person, I figured, they're gonna be on my flight. I know where they're going. So I go up, and on the way back, I get my bag, I go. And I was like, hey, how's it going? Like, I'm, you know, I'm Billy. I do the show with Stu Dods, you know, like, we've spoken a couple times, like, good to see you.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And the guy goes, I know you are, Billy. Like, you don't have. I'm like, you know, like, we do. What? She's like, I know. I know who you are.

[Billy Gill]

Why are you surprised that people don't.

[Dan Le Batard]

You want to know who it was?

[Billy Gill]

I think I have a feeling.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who do you think it was?

[Billy Gill]

Raheem Mostert.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was Raheem Mostert.

[Billy Gill]

It was so awkward.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm so awkward.

[Billy Gill]

Is he coming out?

[Dan Le Batard]

I was. I told him, like, I. I heard you're busy tonight. He's like, yeah, it's really busy. He's like, I'll find you guys. I'm like, okay, see you there. I was like, I think I knew. Like, all right, good luck this week. And then I leave and I go to get an Uber, right? And I'm just begging him, like, please, Uber, get here fast. Because I was already so awkward to begin with, I now don't want to be standing at, like, the Uber check with Raheem.

[Billy Gill]

Make it work. Make it worse.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly. Right? The less I say, the better. It's generally how my life goes. The less I say.

[Billy Gill]

The Fuentes and I came here. Jimmy Johnson was on our flight. Oh, I know. There's something that makes me feel good when a coach is on my flight, you know? Especially that coach, you know?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Will Shields]

Why?

[Dan Le Batard]

Because you think that he, like, I mean, just heaven forbid, you think that he'll. Plane crash is not in his future.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Yes.

[Stugots]

I feel like that's.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I feel better. What? I know. Plus, if something does happen, he's a coach. He's going to spring into action to take care of all of us. That's what coaches did.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oddly, I thought that with Raheem, too, I was like this.

[Billy Gill]

Did you really?

[Dan Le Batard]

I was like, this is good. Because should anything happen, like, he'll probably be, like, the first one to take control of this situation, and then I can hop in after.

[Cam Jordan]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, I'm not a first, you know, responder situation, but, like, I can be guy number two or guy number three.

[Billy Gill]

But you can pile on very.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly. Right? Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Raheem, you get it started.

[Dan Le Batard]

Big crowd. I can kind of get in there.

[Stugots]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know what I mean? And kind of stop things. Should. Should I need to. Did you see the. The awkwardness on. On opening night for multiple people Ask. Or I guess it was probably the same person asked Patrick Mahomes and asked Travis Kelce about the referees. So they ask, I think Travis Kelce.

[Billy Gill]

I was on a flight with Jimmy, just so you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy Gill]

But Jimmy took care of it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. That's good.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can't believe that Jimmy still, like, lives in the Keys or in Miami or wherever.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then he flies like, LA every week to talk football.

[Billy Gill]

We were shocked he didn't fly private, to be honest with you.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, maybe things aren't as good.

[Billy Gill]

Let me tell you. It was delayed, but once they realized Jimmy was on the flight, that Bird was taken off. Jimmy was not having it.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's true.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. So you were saying about the awkwardness.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I was going to say someone asked Patrick Mahomes, like, what do you love more? Or what teammates have helped you in the past? Which referee has helped you in the most in the past? So they asked him about referees, and they asked Travis Kelsey, do you love Taylor Swift more? Do you love referees that call phantom roughing the passers to give you 15 yards more? He did not like that question one bit.

[Billy Gill]

It's a good question, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

Travis Kelce used to be a staple on these things.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Never see him anymore.

[Billy Gill]

You're right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Big time. Also, he's always in the Super Bowl.

[Billy Gill]

I can't believe we're 50. War. You and I have grown old together, man.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Hey. Hey. It's a, you know, another year around the sun. We. We thankful for that. But, you know, being 50, they think the kids are, you know, like, dad, you old? Yeah, yeah, I've been.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Ed McCaffrey]

I'm old, man. I'm old. I'm old.

[Billy Gill]

Kids have a funny way of humbling you, right?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Oh, yeah. They keep you in your place now, but they also keep you active, too.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Ed McCaffrey]

So it's important that, you know, I stay active, you know, continue to move around. Just, you got to enjoy life, man. So trying to do that.

[Billy Gill]

You do Tell everyone what you're doing this week, New Orleans super bowl week with Smirnoff. After that, I want to ask you more questions about being 50. Okay, well.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Oh, oh yeah, Smirnoff. We're doing a huge tailgate along, the longest tailgate ever for a Super Bowl. It's going to be a 60 foot truck bed and we're just going to have a lot of food. A chef is going to be out there cooking and just a really great time for people to come out and enjoy themselves. And most importantly, they got to be. They have to drink response fully Y. But you know, come out and just have a great time. And I'm gonna have other former players out there with me like Vernon Davis and Chris and Chris Long. So I just think it'll be a great opportunity to come out and just really have a great time and, and enjoy themselves while they, while they're in New Orleans. It's going to be a fun time. But you know, for me, I'm always going to promote. We got to be responsible, drink responsible, have a great time, engage, just enjoy each other and just really enjoy that New Orleans, that New Orleans feeling. So it's really good sometimes to be hanging out on bourbon, but we'll be on Canal street this weekend.

[Billy Gill]

One of the really good people, one of the really good men to ever play in the NFL, Wark Dud is with us here on behalf of Smirnoff Drake responsibly. That's a great campaign by you. But I'm wondering, work, you have done so many fantastic things with your life, with your career. What is the thing you are proudest of?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, you know, I'm thankful honestly that I have the ability to just to help people, help change someone's life, impact them and just doing things in a positive way and helping them have a better future, not just for themselves, but for their kids. And you know, it's not just about me, but it's also about building a healthier society, healthy communities so that we can support each other. So I'm thankful that I do have the ability to impact communities in a positive way.

[Billy Gill]

In terms of cities, where does New Orleans rank for you?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, actually I was born in New Orleans. I'm a charity baby, so I'm a charity baby. Born in New Orleans, raised in Baton Rouge. So I mean, New Orleans, that's home. I have family there. I go back often and when, when I do go home, that's when I eat bad. So, you know, you know, I gain a couple pounds after being there because the food is so good.

[Billy Gill]

Right. What's your go to spot?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah, I just, I just like the food and the food is different and, you know, every place, every city, but, you know, just having that, eating crawfish at. To fried catfish, gumbo jumbalaya, I mean, that's, that's money in the bank for me.

[Billy Gill]

Billy, are you taking notes here? Warwick is giving us some advice as to where to go when we make our first trip to New Orleans.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, Warwick, I'm. I'm interested in the cuisine as well, so I've been looking for an expert of sorts. I'm glad, I'm glad that you're giving us this. I have a question for you.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yes, sir.

[Dan Le Batard]

Liam, come. You want to punch him in the head, right? Responsibly?

[Billy Gill]

Yes, yes.

[Ed McCaffrey]

It'll be a love tap.

[Dan Le Batard]

Love, yeah. How do you go from saying, I'm not going to be the head coach to going back to Tampa to then just disappearing for extended periods of time and then you reappear. Like, here I am, the head coach of the Jaguars.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, you know, it's a business. You. I don't. You know, for me, you can't take anything personal. And I had to learn that early in life that this is a. And everybody's going to do and the teams are going to do what's in their best interest. Then as a player, and I know as coaches, you have to do things that are in your best interest. And so he's looking out for his future and his opportunity, and I can't really be mad at that. It is what it is. This is a business. At the same time that we do love the game of football and it's about team, but the business side comes first.

[Billy Gill]

Warwick, are you a fan of everything that's changed in college football?

[Ed McCaffrey]

No, sir, I'm not.

[Billy Gill]

I'm not.

[Ed McCaffrey]

You know, I. I think when you're thinking about college football, the nil has definitely just really impacted the game in such a way that, you know, kids are supposed to be in college, you can play sports, but you're supposed to be in college to get a degree. Today it just seems like everything is about the dollar and they're not going through any adversity. We all came out fine on the other side because we learned some things by going through some adversity. And once we fell down, we got back up and we're able to move in A more of a positive direction. And today they don't like something, they say bye, they get in the transfer reporter, go to the next location and they're just chasing the money and not necessarily focusing on the next 20, 30 years of their life. So for me, I, I just think the game, they need to take a step back and put some parameters around it because I want the guys to make money, but we, we need to have some parameters around this game so that it's a game where they're playing at the highest level, but you're also, you have to go through some adversity to get to the other side. Understand the journey that it's going to take to become a young man, a great athlete, just a great human being.

[Billy Gill]

If I told you way back when Deion Sanders would one day be a good head coach, dare I say great head coach, you would have told me what?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, I have to say wait and see. Right. Because it's hard to say who's going to be what. But I think Deion is taking what he's gotten from other coaches and what he has learned. I think he's trying to instill that in other athletes. So it's about a wait and see game and you know, for me it's just you wait. And he's still coaching, he still has a way to continue to grow and impact guys. So I think it's, it's only a matter of time. We'll see what happens. But it's a wait and see game.

[Billy Gill]

Do you marvel, I mean you're a former running back. You rush for I think over 10,000 yards during your career. Do you marvel the way we do at Saquon Barkley?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, I like his game. You know, just so you know, I'm 37 yards shy of 11,000. So if I would, if I would have got a couple more carries down in Tampa. Yeah, my, my early days I would been over 11,000. I've just missed.

[Billy Gill]

Who we blaming for that? No, there's someone to blame. Who we blame him for that war.

[Will Shields]

I hear it, I hear it.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, no, no. Think about when I first got into the league. I got drafted, I was 170 some pounds. And back then you're not going to let a 170 some pound running back run the ball consistently down in and down out. And whenever he got close to the red zone, they would take me out of the game. So it's just what it is. And I played at the era where, you know, I was only 185 pound max playing at this level and I had to prove that I can run the ball inside, I can make guys miss, I can do things that they didn't think I can do. And that was just that chip on my shoulder. But the game has changed today. It, you know, I've had guys who playing said if I played today, oh my gosh that, you know, I can, I can probably do some things. You play a lot longer and, and make a lot of guys miss. So it's, it is what it is. But I think I had a good career. I got over 15, 000 yards of total offense, rushing and receiving all purpose yards. So I, I impacted and, and I wasn't trying to get hit at all on if you remember. I wasn't trying to get touched.

[Billy Gill]

I remember.

[Stugots]

Yeah.

[Ed McCaffrey]

So I was, you know, I wrote a book, I was running for my life, literally so making sure that I can get up and, and go on to the next play. But I am thankful. And Saquon, I mean he's just really, you know, took a step, you know, forward and I think just being in Philly, you know, after his first year, I think now he, he found his rhythm and can he maintain that or continue that for the next few years? Time would tell, but right now he's riding high and, and you know, offensively they're controlling the line of scrimmage and creating holes and seams for them. He's hitting them at the right time and making guys miss and that's what's important.

[Dan Le Batard]

You think with that Eagles line you could get the 37 yards you need maybe two, three games to go out there. 20 carries, something like that. If not the Eagles, what's the team? Who's the line that get the 37 you need?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Ed McCaffrey]

That'S a tough one. That's a tough one right there because football has just changed. But you know, just watching Saquon, I mean he's running a little, little stretch or, or counter and, and he's able to utilize his skills. I mean I think I can probably do that. But if, you know what, if you just gave me a really good offensive line, I'm going to do my thing. Yeah, that's, that's all I need is good offensive line and they going to get all the credit. But I'm a work hard to get those yards.

[Billy Gill]

We'll have you promote Smirnoff again on the way out here, but one more question before we get to that. The Mt. Rushmore of Florida State football. Four names. I need four names. Warwick, the Mt. Rushmore of Florida state football.

[Ed McCaffrey]

The Mt. Rushmore of florida State football.

[Billy Gill]

Yep. You can put a coach on there, because I know you want to put Coach Bowden on there, so.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Oh, well, he. He's. He's the top. I mean, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be any Seminoles, Florida State without Coach Bowden. And it's a lot of great players. You know, I know where there's. There's so many guys, I can't really just name four, honestly.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Ed McCaffrey]

The greatest player is. Is. Well, the greatest person is Coach Bowden, and obviously, Dion was a great player. Terrell Buckley was a great player. Charlie Ward.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, Charlie Ward has to be on there. Charlie Ward, Dion Bowden, they. All those three need to be on there. And dare I say you're the fourth? For me, you're the fourth.

[Ed McCaffrey]

I'm the fourth. Well, you know, the thing is, people don't know this, that when I went to Florida State, I was supposed to be a defensive back. And I made a deal with Coach Bowden that if you give me an opportunity to play running back, and if it doesn't work out, I'll move the defensive back. But he gave me an opportunity to play running back, and the rest was history after the first week of training and training camp. So I'm thankful that I was able to go there and definitely impact the school in a positive way and like I said, run and compete, and I love to compete. So I wanted to be where the best were at, and I wanted to show everybody that I can play with the best. So that's that competition in me. I. I don't think it's ever going to go away either.

[Billy Gill]

Listen, I think I left out Derek Brooks. Who am I taking off? I think I left out.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, no, Derek. Derek. I mean. But it's. It's. That's what I'm saying. It's so many guys that you can't. It's. You can't just pick four. I mean, I love Dion, but, you know, Brooks was a. Was a great player.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Ed McCaffrey]

I mean, we had a. We had great guys on both sides of the ball. I mean, it's the. It's the teams that we. We had that brought it together. And remember, my year was the first year we actually won a national championship, so you got a lot of great players that. That played together, came together, and we all helped each other be the best that we can be. And that was the most important thing. It wasn't just one guy. It was a team. And Coach Bowden was the head of that. He was the, the one that brought us all together.

[Billy Gill]

Warwick, one more time on the way out here. Tell everyone what you're doing this week. New Orleans super bowl week with Smirnoff.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Well, everyone, please come out. I'll be in New Orleans at the Super Bowl. It's going to be the longest tailgate you've ever been a part of with Smirnoff Ice. We're going to have, you know, great food, some jambalaya. We're going to have other guys out, Vernon Davis and Chris Long. It's just going to be a great opportunity to come out and just really engage. Is going to be on Canal street. But if you want to know more, just go to smirnoff.com and you can sign up, find out the location that we were actually be at. Just come on out, just have a great time and we can all. You can toast each other and have a great time, drink some cocktails. So it should be a great, great time. Family and friends and just people that love to engage and just really want to enjoy themselves. But we always have to remember that we have to drink responsible. Always. Just let's take care of each other. Drink responsible. But we can still go out and have a great time together.

[Billy Gill]

You are a good man. We appreciate the time. Checking him out. Smirnoff. This week he's going to be in New Orleans. Going to be hanging out with Vernon Davis, Chris Long and others. By the way, 50 looks a lot better on you than it does me work. Thank you for your time, buddy.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yes, sir. Well, I try to shave all the gray eyes. Try to keep it all off.

[Billy Gill]

I'm just unhealthier, that's all.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Oh, it's all. And you're good. Trust me.

[Billy Gill]

Stugach here, I want to tell you a story. I'm serious here. My wife and my two daughters, they begged me to buy a peloton. So I bought a peloton. And then I watched that peloton sit in my office and stare at me. So you know what I did one day I looked at it and so I decided to get off my ass and I jumped on the peloton because no one else was using it. And I paid for it. I mean, so why not? Then I realized eventually that they bought it for me. And I got to tell you, way more challenging than I could have ever imagined. Peloton coaches are walking the walk. I love the coaches. I do the Grateful Dead one. It's fantastic. They have a sub 3 hour marathon runner, military trained athlete, a former college basketball player and so many other well rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes, which are never shown short of challenging, especially for me. So I jumped on it that first time. It was challenging, more challenging than I thought. And then I wanted to beat the bike and so I kept jumping on it and I absolutely love it. I. I mean, I'm the only one who uses it, but again, they got it for me. I mean, I had no idea. That's a little passive aggressive, don't you think? Find your push, find your power. With [e-mail]. What's your favorite song, Matt Berry?

[Dan Le Batard]

What? My favorite start?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugots]

My favorite Chesney song.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. No, just your favorite song in general.

[Stugots]

My favorite song in general is Son of a Son of a Sailor by Jimmy Buffett.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

I saw that you went not too long ago to a Jimmy Buffett concert.

[Stugots]

I am like you with the dead.

[Billy Gill]

That's why I started there.

[Stugots]

I went, I'm a Jimmy Buffett parrot. Yes, I'm a parrot.

[Billy Gill]

Are you really?

[Stugots]

I went to 46 shows before he died.

[Dan Le Batard]

What? Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

You went great, Cody.

[Stugots]

Crazy parrot.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really? 46. I saw him once and I'm so glad that I went the one time that I saw him.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

He puts on a great show.

[Stugots]

It's an unbelievable experience.

[Dan Le Batard]

Incredible energy. The crowd is super into it.

[Stugots]

Yeah, it's.

[Billy Gill]

It's.

[Stugots]

I've been told that it's. I've never been to a Dead show, but I have been told it is basically it's like a Dead show when where it's tequila instead of pot. Basically is. But other than that, it's, you know, very same vibe. A very welcoming, like people of all ages and like you're just there and it's. It's all about the tailgating as well.

[Billy Gill]

And. Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's your. Your go to outfit? Because there are some wild outfits when you go there. You're not a cheeseburger.

[Stugots]

I'm a. I'm usually like just a Hawaiian shirt or a previous Jimmy Buffett concert shirt. Very, you know, in, in spirit. But not, you know. Yeah, not, you know, coconut bra.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

I would see you in the cocon bra.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can't have people taking pictures of you dressed that way.

[Stugots]

Exactly, exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's for when you're at home.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Did you ever get a chance to meet him? Yes.

[Stugots]

Multiple times.

[Billy Gill]

Multiple times. Look at you, Barry.

[Stugots]

I have a great. And we can do it on the air if you want, but I Have.

[Billy Gill]

We're on the air.

[Stugots]

Oh, we. Oh, we really are.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Stugots]

That's awesome. It's amazing. It's hilarious. I didn't even know we were started.

[Billy Gill]

I love that fantasy football happy hour.

[Stugots]

We really have been on the air.

[Billy Gill]

I do start sometimes. We're talking music. I love this conversation. I want to hear about the times you have met Jimmy Buffett.

[Stugots]

I. I'll give you. I'll give you a great Jimmy Buffett story. So I've met him a couple of different times. The first time I met him. So when Jimmy was alive, he used to do a show for SiriusXM called the Bing and Bong Show. He has Margarita. He has Margaritaville Radio, which is still on SiriusXM.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Stugots]

And so the Bing and Bong show was him and his musical director, Michael Utley. And like, I don't know, 10 minutes before the show, they would just. They would either answer viewer questions or they would interview somebody, or somebody would interview them. They would just. They played these characters. Bing and Bong, right? And so their Tour manager of 25 years, guy named Hakey Larson, is a production manager, dear friend of mine. And so Hakey, I was going to a show, and he. Hakey texts me and he goes, do you want to be on the Bing and Bong Show? Jimmy would love. You know, he knows you're a big fan. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. So I'm thinking I get to meet. I'll do it because I get to.

[Billy Gill]

Meet Jimmy, of course.

[Stugots]

Okay, fine. So I do the Bing and Bong show, and that's like in. In the summer in. In Mansville, Massachusetts. Okay. Maybe. Maybe eight months later, he plays a New Year's Eve show at the Barclay center in Brooklyn, New York. And I. I somehow managed to get front row tickets.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, wow.

[Stugots]

And I am. It's New Year's Eve, and it's my wife and I and another couple that we're friends with. And we.

[Billy Gill]

The.

[Stugots]

The tickets were a surprise. We get there, we're like, front row center. I am, you know, I'm. I'm hammered. And I'm just, you know, I'm going crazy. And I'm like, you know, I'm. I'm.

[Billy Gill]

I'm.

[Stugots]

Finn's up, you know, Finn's left. I'm doing the whole thing. I'm, you know, I'm bowing to him. I'm, like, all in. Like, I'm, you know, I'm knocking inflatable balls onto the stage. He never once recognizes me or acknowledging me, which is fine. Totally. It's totally fine. Like, he's playing 20,000 people, right? But never once does he just, you know, kind of give me, like, a little look or what? Everything like that. And I'm, like, making a big. I'm like, whatever. Who cares? Like, had a great show.

[Billy Gill]

Noticed, right?

[Stugots]

Try to get noticed. But I was just so into it. I don't care. Again, I've already met him and, like. But whatever. My point is, is that he never does. He never acknowledges me, never looks my way at all. It's fine. Everyone's going crazy. He's playing to 20,000 people. Okay. A year after that, right, my wife and I and my kids go to the Margaritaville Resort in Florida on vacation, right? There's one in Hollywood, Florida, which, basically. It's beautiful. It's a great. Anyway, it's great resort.

[Dan Le Batard]

It has one of those surfing machines, the Flow Rider.

[Stugots]

The Flow Riders are awesome. I do. I do. And there's a lot you don't know about.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know quite the onion.

[Stugots]

The Flow Rider. The Flow Rider was great. I literally looked into, like, how much would it cost to get one in my backyard? And then it's like. It's crazy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really. Sounds like.

[Stugots]

Like, it's like, you know, it's well over seven figures. Like, it's. Yeah, I was over.

[Billy Gill]

I was.

[Stugots]

Yes, yes, yes. They told me it was like, it's 15 to 2, and I'm like, really? What? Yeah. You're gonna put.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait, you're gonna put one in your yard?

[Stugots]

Yeah, my backyard.

[Billy Gill]

I love this, Matt. I swear. I thought you said. So I got one.

[Stugots]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's hard to justify.

[Stugots]

No, no, come on. No, but I thought, like, you know, could it cost maybe a little bit more than a pool? You know what I mean? Like, you know, kind of thing. And like, I don't know, you were.

[Billy Gill]

Thinking this $70,000 range, right?

[Stugots]

Exactly. Like, you know, finance it a little.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kind of explain that away.

[Stugots]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just like over a million dollars.

[Stugots]

I mean, I have five kids, you know. I mean, you're always looking for, you know, at the time. Anyway, whatever. Doesn't matter.

[Dan Le Batard]

Send them out there.

[Stugots]

Right? But the point is, anyway, so at. Randomly. Jimmy Buffett is at this resort, right? At the same time. And so he was doing some photo shoot, and they were shooting him at the Margarita resort. And so I see him, and so I just walk up to him and I'm like, hey, Jimmy.

[Billy Gill]

Hey.

[Stugots]

Matthew Berry from espn. I'm. I'm Hakey's friend. And without missing A beat. He shakes me and he goes, matthew, so great to see you again. Last time I think we saw it was front row at Barclays on New Year's Eve.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, my God. He noticed.

[Stugots]

Like, and I'm just.

[Billy Gill]

Like.

[Stugots]

He met me once for five minutes. Oh, a year and a half previously.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Stugots]

Never wreck and then. But like, and then, you know, again without missing a beat. And I let. Later, I'm talking to hakei and I'm like, dude, did, like, did you tell Jimmy I was going to be here? And he goes, no, I haven't talked to Jimmy probably in a week or so. But he goes, I will tell you, that story doesn't surprise me because when he has a mind like a steel trap, he remembers everything. And when he's on stage, he doesn't miss a beat. Like, he just sees everything. So that. I've heard stories like that before. So anyway, just, you know, very cool. Kind of crazy. So anyway, it's. Anyway, I'm a massive. I'm a crazy Buffett fan.

[Billy Gill]

You're really a kid at heart. You are Matt, right?

[Stugots]

I mean, dude, I mean, we're. Listen, I'm on TV wearing makeup, talking about fake football for a living.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugots]

I mean, you know, like, my job is. Right, Exactly. It's ridiculous. They pay me stugotz to talk about fake football. Right. And, you know, and betting on sports. Right. And I mean.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Stugots]

All of us, I mean, we have stupid jobs, so if you can't be a kid in a candy store and like, again. And I'm so lucky, like, that experience that I just told you about, the ability to. To meet Jimmy, the. The ability to. To, you know, get good tickets, the ability to, like, afford good tickets all comes from this dumb place of a job that shouldn't even exist. And it does.

[Billy Gill]

And so it's like, it doesn't feel like work. Right, Right, exactly.

[Stugots]

It's incredibly lucky, and I'm truly blessed and, like, you know, so I cannot be happy.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want you to get a flow rider.

[Stugots]

Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want something I want.

[Billy Gill]

You deserve.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want you to get some big deal coming up.

[Billy Gill]

And it's like, you know what?

[Dan Le Batard]

I got to splurge. I'm getting a flow rider in my yard.

[Stugots]

I mean, believe me, because, like, we spent. Me and all my kids, like, we were on that every single day. They're not easy at all. But, like, we actually, like, we took. There's somebody there that. There's a flow rider instructor.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugots]

Like, we took private lessons after the. After the, like the park I mean, whatever, after it closes, like, you can. You can, you know, get a. And so, like, we, like, the first night we all. The first day we all tried it, we all loved it. We all fell on our ass in the water. And then they're like, oh, well, if you want to get a lesson. And so, like, me and. Me and all five kids and my wife, like, we, we, you know, we got an instructor for an hour. And like, we. We just practiced, just the five of us, you know, and. And then we were, you know, competent. And like, literally every day for the rest of the week, we were there or whatever. We loved it.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a dangerous game, Stu. Guys, I don't know if you've ever done it. You need to wear the right bathing suit. That thing could come flying out.

[Billy Gill]

I fell down, like, immediately. I needed lessons. Yeah, apparently. But I want to go give you the rope.

[Stugots]

Like. Like when I started. They give you the rope.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really, when you start.

[Stugots]

It's great. We had so much. Anyway, I looked into it, and then I was just like, all right, we're out.

[Dan Le Batard]

And the instructors make it seem like it's the simplest thing.

[Billy Gill]

So you do on vacation, though?

[Stugots]

Yeah, you try.

[Billy Gill]

Try to relax. I want to go on a berry family vacation. I mean, it's a. Your family sounds delightful.

[Stugots]

Thank you.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, we have Tammy and Billy next time.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think he wants us to go on his vacation, though. His vacation's to get away from people.

[Stugots]

No, stop it. We have. So I have five kids, and, you know, my. My sons are now grown adults. Like, I. They're 26, 24, 20. And then I have the twin daughters that are 13, so wide range. But, like, at this point now, it's like the 26 year old has a serious girlfriend. The 24 year old, like, so it's like when we go on vacation, it's like 12 people. Like, so at this point, I wouldn't even notice you guys are there. You might as well come along when we go. It's like, it's a whole. It's a traveling circus.

[Billy Gill]

You notice when you start paying for us. Yeah, maybe.

[Stugots]

Honestly, like, you know, my wife handles all the bills.

[Billy Gill]

I just, you know, Billy Matthew was nice enough to have me on his show, and I gave a ridiculous take.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

And he talked about it right when he walked up here because he's still reeling from it. And so go ahead and give Billy the take that I gave and. And then we'll go from there.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm curious because I've caught on to A pattern where Steve, you guys will kind of repeat some of these from time to time. So I'm wondering if he gave you something fresh.

[Billy Gill]

I wrote it in a book.

[Stugots]

I mean, clearly Billy hasn't read the book.

[Dan Le Batard]

He published the book.

[Billy Gill]

I published the book. Yeah, fair enough. Well done.

[Stugots]

Exactly. You put your name on a book that somebody else wrote.

[Cam Jordan]

Right?

[Stugots]

Fair enough. Yeah, I would. So his take is that Brian Bilek is the greatest coach of all time. That Andy Reid and Bill Belichick shouldn't even be in this conversation, but that Brian Bilik is the greatest coach of all time. His argument is. And let me tell you what my take, my take on your take is. And then you, you, you correct me if I've gotten your take.

[Billy Gill]

I only said he was a better. I said do it with Trent Dilfer. That's what I said.

[Stugots]

Yeah, that was his basic take. Was that like, you know, like it's. Anyone can win a Super bowl with Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes. Do it with Trent Dilfer.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Stugots]

The way Brian Billick did.

[Billy Gill]

Or Joe Gibbs's case, do it with three separate quarterbacks, none of them in the hall of Fame. How about that, huh?

[Stugots]

Right? So that was his argument, was that why is Andy Reid being talked about as potentially the greatest coach of all time? Bill Belichick is a mediocre coach without Tom Brady, Brian Bilek, he's going to agree with me.

[Dan Le Batard]

I full out agree.

[Stugots]

You guys are insane.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, I've been flirting with this take, Matthew, and I want you to hear.

[Billy Gill]

Me out on this. You're working it out. I'm Matt.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. George Kittle.

[Stugots]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

More impressive than Travis Kelsey and Gronk, who has he had, huh?

[Stugots]

More impressive is, I don't know, because Gronk and Kelsey have been so clutch in such big moments. Kittle's awesome. Yeah, I love Kittle. He's unbelievable. And I will say that it's not really a fair comparison because Kittle, like Gronk, were, are also excellent run blockers. Unbelievable. Like, I don't think people appreciate how good a blocker Gronk was. And I don't think people understand how important Kittle is to the 49ers run game. Kelsey's not a blocker.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugots]

Kelsey's a, you know, he's a big wide receiver.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kittle's numbers are bad.

[Stugots]

Kelsey. Kelsey's not a blocker.

[Dan Le Batard]

He can be so much better. Kittle's number.

[Billy Gill]

But to Matt's point, Kelsey's more like a wide receiver.

[Stugots]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But he's been so clutch for so long. Just in, you know, in the biggest moments and just so good at just sort of finding spaces and, you know, a lot of it. We could spend hours and hours talking about like, it's so much about, you know, showing up on it. Who are your teammates, who are, you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Know, but do it with Garoppolo. You know what I mean?

[Billy Gill]

Now you're talking. Yeah. Now.

[Stugots]

Well, this, prior to this year, this was my argument on Terry McLaurin. I'm like, Terry McLaurin is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, Ben. Like. And I'm like, look who's throwing him the ball. Right. And then he finally gets a quarterback this year.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Stugots]

And he finally gets a quarterback this year.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

This year for you. It was amazing.

[Stugots]

It was great. It was found money. But everyone's so upset and I'm like, what's that? What do you got?

[Billy Gill]

Our producer made the most useless contribution to this show in the, in the four year history of this show.

[Stugots]

That's saying something after.

[Billy Gill]

Yes, it is, it is. You're right. But after a game he's just blurted into a microphone, I feel good for Terry McLaurin. I just left it on our laps, you know, and I, I thought he was alone, but apparently he's not.

[Stugots]

No, no. He suffered for so long, you know, and this, this year was amazing. People were upset about the championship game. And I said, look, we won four games last year. Our preseason win total, this is the commanders was six and a half. If you told me. And we had been in the quarterback desert for years and years and years and years. And I said, if you told me before the year, hey, you guys are gonna, you guys are gonna win 14 games, you're gonna win two road playoff games, you're gonna, you are, you're going to discover that you have a franchise caliber quarterback, a superstar quarterback for the next 15 years. And the only downside is you get your ass kicked in the NFC championship. Where do I sign?

[Billy Gill]

Sign me up.

[Stugots]

Where do I sign right now? I mean, like, I think it was Peter Schrager that put this tweet out. I apologize if it wasn't. But you know about, in terms of rookie quarterbacks in the championship game and the defenses they had. Right, right. You know, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Sean King with Tampa Bay, Brock Purdy, they all had top three defenses, right. Jayden Daniels had defense, number 18.

[Billy Gill]

Wow. Yeah.

[Stugots]

And you know, I mean like he just, you know, I mean with all my argument is, is that Jaden Daniels this. What's so impressive? There's so many things impressive about Daniels year this year, but one of them is that he actually played with worse talent around him this year than he did his final year in college.

[Billy Gill]

Correct.

[Stugots]

Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas his senior year in college.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Stugots]

This year he had a Lamide, Zacchaeus and Diami Brown. Brown, right. He had Terry McLaurin and I mean, Zachary had an amazing year. Zachary was out of football last year.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Stugots]

You know, so it's just like that, that he was able to do that. And credit to Cliff Kingsbury, credit to Dan Quinn, credit to the entire organization. But like Faith in five, man, that kid is split special.

[Billy Gill]

I know you don't typically take quarterbacks with the first overall pick in a fantasy draft, but because of his running ability and the upside, do you think he could go number one next year?

[Stugots]

I don't. I mean, I, I even me, I'm. I'm as homer as they come.

[Billy Gill]

Running's important.

[Stugots]

It is, but I'm a QB3.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Stugots]

I have, I have, I have Allen and Jackson over him.

[Billy Gill]

Okay.

[Stugots]

And then, but, and I think he will go in the top five of fantasy drafts next year. I think I could see putting people putting Burrow ahead of him. I could see people drafting Jalen Hurts ahead of him. But for me, Jaden Daniels is three. And I think the hype on him is going to be so real, especially because I think the commanders, obviously, they're going to fix the offensive line. They'll add another receiving weapon, whether it's T. Higgins, whether it's, you know, I've heard, you know, Godwin, maybe they'll be in on cup, who knows? But like, they'll add to that receiving core. You know, it's not just going to be Terry McLaurin next year.

[Billy Gill]

Billy's talking about all the time. Like, as you get deeper into the playoffs, there's only four teams. You're doing your weekly fantasy. It becomes more and more difficult. Like, how do you. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because everyone's taking the same, Everyone has the same players. Especially when you do like a draft Kings, you have a budget.

[Stugots]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Taking the same players.

[Stugots]

That's where you have to go. Variance. That's where you have to.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Stugots]

Y. Exactly. You know, if you were doing like a, you know, a, A game for this one, like, you're like, oh, well, you know, hey, Juju, Smith, Schuster, you know, like, do we think Matt Collins was my guy?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, so cheap.

[Stugots]

He's so great.

[Dan Le Batard]

He finally had a game.

[Stugots]

Yeah, yeah. Matt Collins Is great.

[Billy Gill]

So it's in the margins, huh?

[Stugots]

Yeah, I think D. He'll be. He'll be semi popular, but I think Dallas Goddard has a big game on Super Bowl Sunday.

[Billy Gill]

You almost have to, like, take a flyer and just, you know, take Carson Wentz and maybe. No, you'd be the only one who has them. What if Mahomes goes down?

[Stugots]

That's a little bit crazy. But do you take like, oh, you're.

[Billy Gill]

Not going to win anyway, right?

[Stugots]

Do you take like, Jake Elliott?

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Stugots]

Does it turn into a field goal battle? And Jake Elliott, who struggled throughout the, you know, playoffs and this year, does he suddenly, you know, come up clutch and kick five field goals?

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Stugots]

Who knows? I want Billy's take, though, on your, Your Billock take. Your. Your Belichick overrated take.

[Billy Gill]

I hate to tell you. I think he agrees with it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I. I don't agree with it, but.

[Billy Gill]

But listen, Belichick's a great coach. I'm just saying the record without Brady is below 500.

[Dan Le Batard]

Brave of you to go out on that limit.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, it's hard to say. He's not. He benefited from a great quarterback.

[Dan Le Batard]

It may be in his book. That's like probably chapter 17 or something. People are not getting to that chapter. So, like that.

[Old Spice Guy]

That.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm gonna give that fresh for you.

[Stugots]

Yeah, I appreciate that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I haven't heard it yet.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Stugots]

I'll tell you a Belichick story. Okay, so. And I think that I was going to tell you too, but I think one actually you guys had on your. On your show. But the first one is, I remember I was talking to Teddy Brusky at espn, right? And I'm like, hey, Belichick, like, what is. You know, how brilliant is Belichick? Right? You know, kind of thing. And he told me a story. He says, my second week, he goes, my second week of my rookie year, we're on the road somewhere and I go to the practice field and I'm looking around and I'm like, hey, where's the play clock? Where's the play clock? And he's like, my position coach goes, oh, it's up there in the corner. He's like, why'd they move it? He goes, well, the stadium we're playing at this weekend, that's where the position. That's where the play clock is. They have it all the way up in the corner. So we're going to prac. You know, you want to practice knowing where the play clock is.

[Billy Gill]

Attention to detail, right? And.

[Stugots]

Attention to detail. And Teddy just said, throughout my career, there were plays that I missed. There were plays that I didn't, you know, take the right, right angle or that I didn't do well. But there was never a play I wasn't prepared for. There was never something that an offense did that I hadn't seen on film or been talked to before that week. He's like, I mean, like, who thinks of that? Like, oh, we should practice, play cock plays. And, and so that's that. And I was just like, oh, Damn. And Deb McCourty said the same thing. And I know he said it on some show and it might have been this one, I forget, but Deb McCourty told me the same thing, that, like their first game at, @metlife when he was playing the jets, he's just like, oh, the wind carries a ball. He goes, if you get it, if you're on a go route, whatever, just play back a little bit because the ball's going to get caught up in there. And that's exactly what happened. He ended up getting an interception. I, I think on Sanchez. And like, it just so, just, I.

[Billy Gill]

Don'T know, like, you love the attention to detail. Just like speaking to what a great coach he is. Yes.

[Stugots]

You know, you know, like, I'm a Patriots guy, I'm a commander's fan. Like, but like, I mean, you know, respect.

[Billy Gill]

Somehow I have major defend, Bill, but.

[Stugots]

Respect, like, give the man respect. But when Teddy told me that story, which is such a small little story, but I just thought that was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who would think of that, right?

[Billy Gill]

All right, your, your, your people are asking you to leave now. You have to get back to your NBC responsibility. Fantasy football Happy hour Fantasy life promoter, Matt.

[Stugots]

Yeah, well, so we're, we're, we're all friends on the. On Peacock now. Exactly. So we love. Well, we, we. Somebody clipped that. We, we follow you guys. We follow the Dan LeBatard show on Peacock, especially all this week. We're live from Radio Row here in New Orleans, so check that out. It's also available wherever you get podcasts or on the NFL and NBC YouTube channel and of course FantasyLife.com where we have a ton of free tools, free newsletter as well. So if you play fantasy sports, if you bet on the game, we have a bunch of free betting advice, free betting tools, parlay, builders, etc, fantasylife.com we.

[Billy Gill]

Enjoy our sit down with you every single year. You're a good man and you have a great family and Billy and I look forward to the next family Vacation.

[Stugots]

Somebody go get me a flow rider.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly right.

[Stugots]

Sponsorship.

[Billy Gill]

Matt, before you go, look at me in the eyes right now. I love you. I love you. All right, brother. There it is.

[Stugots]

Appreciate you guys.

[Billy Gill]

Thank you. Matt Teller, rooks with us here. Radio Row New Orleans. It is super bowl week. Chiefs and Eagles. The P and G Battle of the paddles. Tell us about what you're doing there, Taylor.

[Taylor]

Yeah. So png third annual Battle of the paddles event, going to be playing some ping pong with some of our favorite NFL players. I'm teamed up with Kirk Cousins. We're going up against Micah Parsons, Chris Olave, Drake May, who are also teamed up with other celebrity fans. And it's going to be good. Single elimination. We played to 11. Got a win by too. I'm excited. I'm not like an advanced ping pong player, but I feel like I am good enough to hold my own. But I'm hoping that Kirk Cousins just puts a team on his back and we can get the win in this one.

[Billy Gill]

All right, so do you know if Kirk is even good at ping pong?

[Taylor]

Like, honestly, I don't, but I am a Falcons fan. I am from Georgia, so one of my QBs. I have faith in him.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

But honestly, something about Kirk strikes me as someone who's played ping pong in his day. He gives me that vibe.

[Billy Gill]

Really? And what would that be, if you don't mind me asking?

[Taylor]

I remember I interviewed Kirk and he said, you know, my teammates always say I have the dad swag, but I think my swag have no swag. And I can just see that person.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

An expert, you know, on the ping pong table. That's how I envision Kirk. I think he's good at probably a lot of, like, oh, sports.

[Billy Gill]

So what have you been doing to prepare for this? You say you're like a novice amateur ping pong player. You're not good. You're not great. You're not terrible, though. Like, have you been practicing? What have you been doing?

[Taylor]

I've done some light practicing. I may have stopped at a bar or two.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

I've learned that I have a much better backhand than I do forehand. There's something about the control, you know, when you're. When you're going that way with the. With the backhand. I need to improve my serve just a bit. Honestly. This is my thing with PNG Battle of the paddles, which obviously I'm super, super excited to be a part of it. And I want to give me pips. I Love this.

[Billy Gill]

So you need to learn how to slice. Okay? No topspin. Don't try to hit it hard. Just slice your backhand. Slice your forehead. Because what happens when you slice is the ball bounces and it comes back towards the net. Okay? Mm.

[Taylor]

That is. So what's the key to a good slice?

[Billy Gill]

So you have to, like, kind of go from up to down. Like this motion. You see the motion I'm making? You have to go up to down. Yes.

[Stugots]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Yes, yes.

[Taylor]

And if you have any more tips, please, because I really want to beat Micah.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, Wait, you want to be. Who'd you say you want to beat? Micah.

[Taylor]

Is talk trash.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

Our existence.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. Who is the best ping. Who is the best ping pong player of the group? Do you know?

[Taylor]

I really don't know. I hope it's Kirk. I'll say that.

[Billy Gill]

It better be. This is so good. I love this. I love ping pong. So listen, sandpaper rackets, I don't know if you have those. Those help with velocity. And then the underspin. Okay, Underspin.

[Old Spice Guy]

Okay.

[Taylor]

So slice.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Get you a sandpaper bracket.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Taylor]

You're under spin.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. Yes. And again, the slice is all about the angle. So the ball is going to bounce this way as opposed to going right to them. Right. Make a move. Make them do something.

[Taylor]

You know, get mobile, get active.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Are you. Are you helpful?

[Taylor]

And I'm not just saying that I.

[Stugots]

Will be.

[Taylor]

Watching the battles.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Streaming on Complex's YouTube channel.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

And you need to. The slice. Just know it was for you, Taylor.

[Billy Gill]

I'm telling you right now, I'm going to watch it. Okay? I am. I'm going to watch it. If I don't see a slice backhand out of you, I'm going to be very, very. I'm going to bring you back on, and I'm going to be very upset, and I'm going to talk to you about this, and I'm going to teach you how to do the slice backhand. Okay.

[Taylor]

All in on that. Now I'm like, okay, I just need to get. I need to get my slice over the neck. That's my fear now.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Is it going to go all the way? But yes, I got you. I'll be working on it.

[Billy Gill]

Are you excited for the game this weekend?

[Taylor]

I'm so excited. I can't wait to be in the building. I love the energy of the super bowl, so it's going to be great. And of course, an amazing matchup. And coincidentally enough, the first PNG battle of the paddles was the same matchup. It was Eagles, Chiefs.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Taylor]

A little deja vu. But I think that this year I'm going to win Battle of the paddles. Tbd.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, so this. So. So the first battle of the paddles, it was the Chiefs who won the Super Bowl. This year, you're saying you're going to win the battle of the paddles. Who's going to win the Super Bowl?

[Taylor]

I think. And I. So I am not a person. It's very clear to me that so many people are like, anti Chiefs. They don't want the Chiefs to win. I don't feel that way. I think it's really great that we get to watch greatness. And if they win, I'd be happy for this three peat and be there to watch history. So if Chiefs win, amazing. Good for them. I would personally love to see the Eagles win. So I. I will be sort of, you know, with my fan hat on, be rooting for the Eagles. I just love what Saquon has been able to do this year. Happy that Jalen is back in the Super Bowl. I just like the story of it. So I think. I think that's who I. Who I'm going to go with.

[Billy Gill]

Are you. Do you have Philadelphia ties? Are you?

[Taylor]

Well, Saquon. I'm very, very close with Saquon and his family.

[Billy Gill]

Okay.

[Taylor]

Since he first got into the league. And it's funny. So every year, obviously, saquon's birthday is February 9th, so this year he's playing the super bowl on his birthday. But every year, we always do, like, something really big with his family. Like three years ago, we all did Mexico. The other year, we just rented out the spot and did a big dinner.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Taylor]

And after week one this year, I texted and said, I just have a feeling that this is going to be the first year. Then we are at the Super Bowl. What do you know? So I. I'm rooting for the Eagles for sure.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. That is an amazing story.

[Taylor]

So pretty crazy, right?

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Taylor]

Well, yeah, I thought I saw the vision early.

[Will Shields]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

No, that's incredible. But since you're so close with him, was he as shocked as everyone else was when the Giants let him go and went to the Eagles? I mean, it's ridiculous.

[Taylor]

Well, I think. I think that at this rate, Saquon just, like, loves the story that he now has. Right?

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

You know, he went to this new team and just found new life. I interviewed him for our Thursday night football game that we had with the Eagles, and he was just like, you know, I didn't know what my value was going to be, and I didn't know what people thought my worth was going to be. And he was like, I've learned through this that all of those are just words like, what's. What one person thinks about you is different than what somebody else does.

[Billy Gill]

Sure.

[Taylor]

So he's just obviously all in with Philly and loves this circumstance and loves his teammate. But I mean, of course winning is very fun, so I'd love it too.

[Billy Gill]

Have you planned the birthday celebration, if indeed the Eagles win the super bowl on Sunday? Like the post birthday celebration?

[Taylor]

Yeah, I'm sure they have that all figured out, but I know it's a birthday, so regardless, there will be some sort of celebration of life. But I know his mind is mainly on winning that game. It's all. It's all his friends and family that care about the birthday.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Taylor]

He's like, I have a Super bowl to win.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Listen, the reason you saw it was because he's no longer on the Giants and you knew the Eagles had a legitimate shot of making it to a Super Bowl. So that's a good job out of you, Taylor. Okay.

[Taylor]

Like, hey, what can I say now, you know me winning battle of battles. I gotta manifest that.

[Billy Gill]

Yes, I know. You have to get out of here. We appreciate the time. PNG Battle of the paddles. One more time promoted on the way out. Yes.

[Taylor]

PNG Battle of the paddles. Tune in. Watch some of your favorite NFL players go against one another in a double single elimination tournament plan Some ping pong will be streaming on Complex's YouTube channel Wednesday at 7 Eastern Time.

[Billy Gill]

All right, you gave me a reason. You gave me a reason to watch. Slice. Backhand only. Not forehand, forehand. Little topspin backhand slice.

[Taylor]

Okay, got you.

[Billy Gill]

All right, all right. You're going to win it, Taylor. I feel it. All right, I do too.

[Taylor]

I appreciate the tip.

[Billy Gill]

You got it. Enjoy your week. Okay.

[Taylor]

You too.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, thank you, Taylor.

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[Billy Gill]

It's a nice looking ring on your finger, sir.

[Will Shields]

You know, it fits sometimes. You know, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. How you doing?

[Billy Gill]

Will Shields, one of the all time greats. How often, like percentage of time you have that ring on your finger? Ooh, that's a nice looking ring, Billy.

[Will Shields]

I would say 30.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, just 30, Will.

[Will Shields]

You know, special occasions or just in case I walk into the bedroom, I pick it up and put it on.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then put it back down.

[Billy Gill]

Have you ever lost it?

[Will Shields]

No, actually I've had it stolen once, though.

[Billy Gill]

Really? What happened?

[Will Shields]

Yeah, man, we were, we were in Colorado and we were visiting my son and they actually broke into the car and stole it out of the car.

[Billy Gill]

Wow. Why'd you get it back? Yeah. But why'd you keep it in the car?

[Will Shields]

Well, I wasn't really thinking. I just gave a speech and all this other stuff. So I had my high school and all that other stuff and wasn't really thinking out there. So it happened.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

Will is with us here on behalf of the NFL alumni and the Gear up campaign. Tell us what you're doing this week with with the NFL alumni.

[Will Shields]

Well, we're talking about Gear up for cancer. So basically we're trying to let everybody know once you reach the age of 45, you need to have your colonoscopy, which is one thing that most people don't want to talk about, but it is part of the cancer thing that you can actually screen for and that you can survive from. And I think most people don't realize it's just getting tested to find out what's going on. And that makes a big difference. And I think that's where we're talking about. Gear up for it. Make sure that once you're 45 or above, get your test done so that you know that you can you know, take care of your life. I know there's a lot of things out there, but this is one that I think is very important for our community.

[Billy Gill]

Are you impressed how, like the Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, three kids. You're a former chief. Like how you're a former great. And I'm wondering, do you watch this team and do you marvel at them the way we do?

[Will Shields]

I do. I have fun watching.

[Billy Gill]

Really.

[Will Shields]

It's really cool. And because I'm closer to it, I guess. Yeah, it's a lot more fun because I can yell at the TV and look at it and say, you're a.

[Billy Gill]

Yeller at the TV when you watch football.

[Old Spice Guy]

Well, because you're like us.

[Will Shields]

Because I know know. Because you personally know some of the guys, right. And you're going, man, what did you do that?

[Cam Jordan]

Stop.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, it's going to go on forever.

[Will Shields]

Oh, yeah, Anytime. If you love a game and love a sport, of course you are.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Will Shields]

I mean, that's part of it. I mean, that's what the ebb and flow of it. Or you say, hey, I'm going to change the mojo. So I'm going to move from the kitchen to the living room.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't do that.

[Billy Gill]

Well, I do it all the time. Whoever works for the Jets, I'm a Jet fan.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's only so much you can do.

[Billy Gill]

That face he just made.

[Will Shields]

There's only so much you can change on that. Got a new coach, which is awesome.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Billy Gill]

So what are you yelling at the TV like? Are you yelling like. Like, give us an example, PI.

[Will Shields]

Like, no, I don't. You know, all of that stuff. I don't yell at. It's more or less watching technique. I watch certain things. And I was like, oh, man, how did you miss, you know, hey, how did you not see that guy doing this? Or how did you not see that rotation?

[Billy Gill]

But they're not as great as you, Will Shields.

[Old Spice Guy]

That's why.

[Will Shields]

Just because that's how I watch the game. And, you know, I'm watching my guards and my tackles, and I'm going, oh, that's a bad set. Oh, you didn't use your hands or this kind of stuff. You know, how do you recover?

[Dan Le Batard]

How tired are you of the question of the. The phantom penalties that Patrick benefits from? A little bit.

[Will Shields]

You know, there's certain things you can't control.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Will Shields]

And that's the one thing about it. It's not like he's, hey, begging for it or what have you. I mean, you could make Anything. Spin the way you want to say it. Spin.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Will Shields]

And you're looking at it and everybody's going, oh, well, he was asking the ref to let him know when he was near. I was like, no, he wasn't talking about the guy. He's talking about his. His offensive tackle.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Will Shields]

You know, it's just. And some people are knowledge based. It's understanding. And yeah, there are some penalties that you look at and be like, oh, yeah, that could have went either way.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Will Shields]

And I think when you're winning, it makes it harder. And I think that's the whole thing. Because it used to be us thinking about the Patriots.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, exactly. Right. Well, we thought the same exact thing. Yes. And they thought about Jordan, the Bulls, too. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was wondering if the Chiefs fandom blinded that at all or if the football players, like, I don't know about this one.

[Will Shields]

Yeah, there's. Penalty is a penalty. And you look at it and you're going, ooh, yeah, I wouldn't have called that. I would have did this. And, you know, we're just as judgmental on our own teams. If you're really a player, you're just as judgmental on your own team as you on others.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Will Shields]

You know, and you're looking like, oh, man, he got away with that. Or this person did this or this, that and the other. Or you go, yeah, we did get a call.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Who's the. Was there a D lineman that kept you up at night? You were so great at your job. Was there a guy you had to face on Sunday where you're like, man, I'm not gonna sleep the night before?

[Will Shields]

There's a few of them. John Randall was the main one. That was crazy.

[Billy Gill]

That guy. Yeah.

[Will Shields]

Oh, man, he would give me fits all the time. He's one of those guys, you'd be like, I gotta face him this week. Let me. I gotta do some extra work. I gotta do some extra studying. I gotta figure all that good stuff out. But he was that guy that basically. Basically would give me fits. And he. My rookie year is when we first sort of met, right? And we're at training camp and he shows up and he's going, hey, man. He's talking back and forth of, hey, what's going on? And he's doing this little arm thing and all of that good stuff. So it was fun to just sit there. And I'm sitting there as a rookie going, I gotta block this. This is what's gonna happen. I was like, oh, my goodness, this is gonna be crazy. And so he. On that line, they had three hall of Famers.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Will Shields]

So we got indoctrinated by them as our rookie year. So it says. But it was good because, like Chris.

[Billy Gill]

Dolman and those guys.

[Stugots]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

So.

[Will Shields]

But it set the tone for where I wanted to be.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Will Shields]

For the rest of my career.

[Billy Gill]

Right. Yeah. Billy, this is interesting because Will Shields won the Walter Payton man of the Year award. And we have someone on our show, Greg Cody, a columnist for the Miami Herald, who made a very controversial statement saying he would rather win and most players would rather win the Super Bowl MVP as opposed to winning the Walter Payton man of the Year award.

[Dan Le Batard]

The most prestigious.

[Billy Gill]

Interesting. Yeah. What are your thoughts there?

[Will Shields]

Well, I think first and foremost, he wasn't.

[Billy Gill]

He wasn't trying to discount the importance of the award.

[Cam Jordan]

He didn't mention you specifically, and I get that.

[Will Shields]

But when you walk your way down that path and you look at it and you see how many people have actually made it to the Super Bowl.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Will Shields]

How are you going to be that person that's going to win the MVP if you can't get there?

[Billy Gill]

True.

[Will Shields]

And that makes it hard. Where Walter Peyton, man of the Year, is about your community service, what you've done and how you build it and how you bring your teammates and your. And your community together.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Will Shields]

So there's difference within that parameter. So you might not win that mvp, you know, during the year, but for your community, you're the mvp, man.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Will Shields]

You've actually done enough work to put in to where somebody noticed that you've done something enough and be able to make it happen and change somebody's life.

[Billy Gill]

You can't. Listen, you can't win a Super bowl unless you make it to the Super Bowl. He's right, Billy. You know what you could do? All you could do is be a good person.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly.

[Billy Gill]

You know, tell Greg Cody. You want to tell him to go bleep himself. What do you want to do? Go ahead, tell him. He'll take it.

[Stugots]

Okay.

[Will Shields]

I would. I wouldn't tell him that. I just say, hey, you know, you just got to understand where you're coming from. And we know that, hey, there's only so many teams that's going to get to the super bowl and be an mvp. It would be nice. It would be nice to have a Super bowl ring or whatever that is. I said, but there's only one ring given out to one team.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Will Shields]

Where the way Walter Payton, Manier. There's only one person that actually receives that every year, and it's for the work you did in your community. So I think both of them are valuable. But I think for me, I'm in. I'm happy with the one I got.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Will Shields]

I wish I would have gotten the other one. But you can only get what you can take.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, hold on, hold on. Devil's advocate here. If you could trade man of the Year for Super bowl mvp, would you?

[Will Shields]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, good. He's a good guy.

[Billy Gill]

He is a good guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like.

[Billy Gill]

That's why he won the Walter Payton man of the Year.

[Dan Le Batard]

Walter Payton man of the Year. Some people are out here.

[Billy Gill]

I'm going to tell Greg Cody to go bleep himself. Exactly right.

[Dan Le Batard]

People are out here selling mustard. They're selling different things. What's he saying? Hey, you should get screened for cancer. Yeah, he's a good guy.

[Billy Gill]

Tell us one more time. Well, on the way out, we appreciate it.

[Will Shields]

Well, we're here for the NFL alumni. And actually it's. It's NFL a. Gear up. Backslash cancer. So that you guys can actually go and get your screening. And we're actually coming to. Coming to here, actually, in the next couple of months and doing major screenings. So we have four different places that we're doing it right now. But we're also. We're going to take the show on the road so that everybody can get the screenings done, so that they can make sure that they're as healthy as they can be to live as long as you can.

[Dan Le Batard]

Colonoscopy road show.

[Will Shields]

Yes, sir.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like it. You're not performing, though.

[Will Shields]

No.

[Billy Gill]

Okay.

[Will Shields]

I'm already. I've already had mine. Sorry.

[Stugots]

I don't want to go anywhere.

[Billy Gill]

Are you taking the Eagles?

[Will Shields]

Come on, man. You should know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can't believe someone stole that rig. They saw that rig. They saw your name on it. Like, you know what? Taking this is a good idea.

[Billy Gill]

No, the thing that shocks me more is he kept it in the car.

[Dan Le Batard]

If I go. If I'm. Look, I'm not a car.

[Billy Gill]

Hey.

[Dan Le Batard]

If I was.

[Will Shields]

It's one of those things that when you're packing stuff up and you got.

[Dan Le Batard]

My bags and everything else, not your fault.

[Will Shields]

It just stops. It sort of gets your brain.

[Billy Gill]

And you're like, right, hey, I'm gonna.

[Will Shields]

Go for a walk over here.

[Dan Le Batard]

You were the victim.

[Will Shields]

And I'm gonna wear it across, you know, as I go up this mountain and then come back down. You know, you never imagine, like, oh, I forgot something in there. And I was like, yep, I did.

[Dan Le Batard]

If I break into a car, I see that I'm closing the car. I'm trying to fix the window, however I got in, and I'm running the hell away.

[Billy Gill]

I feel like you go in for the car, you walk out with the ring. I mean, you don't want the car.

[Will Shields]

Anymore, you know, Never showed up again, so I don't think they got too much for it, so.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Will Shields, I have to tell you something, man. I love you.

[Will Shields]

Well, thank you. Appreciate it.

[Billy Gill]

Thank you for your time, sir.

[Will Shields]

No problem. Thank you, guys.

[Billy Gill]

We appreciate it. Keep up the good work and enjoy the. Enjoy the game this weekend.

[Will Shields]

I will.

[Billy Gill]

All right. Billy asked. Ed McCaffrey is with us, and I'm excited about this. And we'll talk to him About Self and McAffrey brands. He has Rocky Mountain Mustard, Protein Bites. He's. He's got a lot going on right now. Radio Rose super bowl week. He asked me if I wrote this book. And Billy responded, well, not exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know.

[Cam Jordan]

The content is yours.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a great.

[Billy Gill]

The cod. Thank, Ed. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

The content is yours.

[Billy Gill]

Thank you. The content is mine. Someone transcribed the content onto paper. Because I can't do that. I can't write.

[Cam Jordan]

I don't think you can even read my writing. I'm not a typer who. Who has time to go through spell check.

[Billy Gill]

That's exactly right.

[Cam Jordan]

You know, I'll give you the story and you just kind of put it down on the paper.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, Ed. Ed actually put it perfectly. Stug's moving forward. I think you should say this. He said you published a book.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Which is exactly right. You published a book.

[Billy Gill]

Listen, it pays the same. I'm good with it.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, but still, like, life is about stories and storytelling, and the stories are yours. The content is yours.

[Billy Gill]

Thank you.

[Cam Jordan]

Somebody else can do the hard.

[Stugots]

We can.

[Cam Jordan]

You talk to them and let them write it down. Right.

[Billy Gill]

Listen. You get me? Yes, you get me. Tell us what you're doing here. Self and McCaffrey brands. Rocky Mountain Mustard. Yeah. Protein Bites. There's some bags right in front of us here. So how'd you get into this?

[Cam Jordan]

Thank you for asking.

[Billy Gill]

You got it.

[Cam Jordan]

God bless football and God bless McCaffrey Brands protein bites. I'm so proud of this. You know, I've been in the food product business for over 25 years. I had mustards and horseradish sauces, which I still sell to this day, that have been selling since the 90s. And I did it because a friend of mine introduced me to the idea of having food products. We also had at one time, Ed's end zone O's, which was a frosted Cheerio. The box was really, it was a cool box. It was a collectible. The quality of the cereal was just, okay, not great. But I was still playing. We were winning Super Bowls. It was a fun thing to do. We had Eddie Mac and Cheese.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, wow, right? Eddie Mac and Cheese. I love this.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was so proud of that Eddie Mac and Cheese.

[Cam Jordan]

It was good. Good, right? You know, but the, the mustard that we made was phenomenal. We, we, you know, I met this family that's been in the industry for 100 years. They came over from Germany and made spicy brown mustard and helped me come up with a recipe that I was proud to put my name on. And the mustard his sells even though now I'm, you know, Christian or Luke's dad or I'm the mustard guy. Kids because they have it in their fridge.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Cam Jordan]

You know, it sold because it's a great product.

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Cam Jordan]

That's how it sells for 25 years. So I stopped coaching a couple years ago. I partnered with my business partner to try to grow our business. So we expanded our lines of mustard and horseradish sauces, which you can buy either online or in King Soopers and Safeways and City markets in Colorado. But I wanted to create a healthy snack for everybody. I have four boys. My wife Lisa and I are in cars, driving them to practices and games, driving carpool at school. They. They always are hungry and need something of kids don't get their sleep or don't eat properly. You know, they're a handful and something that's easily digestible. I got a couple of kids that have some allergy issues. And so what is, you know, gluten free, non GMO healthy that tastes great? Because how many healthy foods taste awful? It's like you're chewing on cardboard, right? It's like you're chewing on the heel of your shoe and you can barely stomach them. So I'm like, what can every kid eat, regardless of allergies, that is healthy for you, but tastes great. And it took me forever to find a manufacturer that could create these because I think they're delicious. Now I want to hear what you guys have to say at some point during the week.

[Dan Le Batard]

Try them.

[Cam Jordan]

Positive feedback, right? But these, again, are super healthy, gluten free, non GMO vegan. They're made with all natural premium ingredients and they're very low calorie as well. But they have protein in them. A lot of the unhealthy snacks don't have any protein. I don't think people consume enough protein throughout the day.

[Dan Le Batard]

Here's the thing.

[Cam Jordan]

So incredibly important.

[Dan Le Batard]

Say non gmo. You say gluten free. All this stuff, and I'm like, I don't know. And then I open it. Sprinkles.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. I mean, like a little frosting. A little frosting. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

So. So the flavors.

[Billy Gill]

I just had, the chocolate chip cookie dough. I'm telling. I'm. Listen, I'm being serious.

[Cam Jordan]

Please be serious.

[Billy Gill]

These are delicious. They really are. Ed, I love you.

[Cam Jordan]

Thank you.

[Billy Gill]

He loves me.

[Cam Jordan]

You just sold a couple books.

[Billy Gill]

There you go.

[Cam Jordan]

Don't even give me one for free.

[Stugots]

I'm buying them online.

[Cam Jordan]

But, no, so far, we've gotten such great positive feedback. Everyone seems to like them, and I'm so excited because they actually taste good. I'm glad you like them as well. I'm sure eventually there'll be some curmudgeon that doesn't like them. But it's so hard to get a good tasting, healthy snack food. So you should still eat healthy breakfast, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. But that time before dinner, it's, like, still a couple hours away. Or during the show. Right. You can't throw down a cheesesteak here while you're trying to do your show.

[Billy Gill]

No.

[Cam Jordan]

Slop all over the place.

[Billy Gill]

No.

[Cam Jordan]

You know, feel bloated all day long. So this. This gives you a little pop, little energy throughout the day. You're eating healthy, you're doing what's right for your body, but it also tastes good and you're not chewing on cardboard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of all the things you talked about today, I think the thing I'd most be proud of is being known as the Mustard Man.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think I would not.

[Billy Gill]

The father of two NFL players.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was an NFL player.

[Billy Gill]

It's not a big deal to him.

[Cam Jordan]

My goal is to one day be the Mustard King of Castle Rock, Colorado.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really?

[Cam Jordan]

I'm on my way.

[Dan Le Batard]

But how do we get you there?

[Cam Jordan]

Goals you got, you know, share them with you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's the present Mustard King?

[Billy Gill]

When you.

[Cam Jordan]

When you wrote, you shared it with the universe?

[Billy Gill]

Of course I did. Yes.

[Cam Jordan]

You know, so well, there's. There's some pretty stiff competition there in Colorado, but I'm. I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Completely unfamiliar.

[Billy Gill]

He doesn't want to name. He doesn't want to promote their brand.

[Cam Jordan]

With your endorsement and your support, I think I can get there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

You know, and I was thinking about this. Okay. The Golik family is right next to us. The Manning Family gets all this love. Why does the McCaffrey family. You played in the NFL, you won Super Bowls. You have two sons. Why are you not the first family of football?

[Dan Le Batard]

Huh?

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, we were talking about all the father and son and brother combinations. And the Matthews family has got uncles and fathers and players. There's so many great football families. I mean, I don't think you can beat the Manning brothers. Their dad played, and they both won two Super Bowls, Right?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. But, you know, you got Arch coming up.

[Cam Jordan]

I'm surprised that more professional athletes don't have their kids that follow in their footsteps, because obviously, you know, if they're genetically blessed, it's probably a pat. Like, there's people in venture capital and private equity in Silicon Valley whose kids go into venture capital and private equity. You know, they grow up around it, and they fall in love with the sport. I think it's the greatest sport in the world. But I have four boys. My oldest son, Max, they're on this picture, by the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Billy Gill]

Very nice.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. If it was nil, they could have cashed in in college.

[Billy Gill]

Well, maybe they still can.

[Cam Jordan]

My oldest son, Max, coaches for the Dolphins. I'm so proud of him. He played in the league five or six years. Fell in love with coaching. Christian, obviously, is playing with the 49ers. My son Dylan played at Michigan, played FBS football. I got to coach him a year. He's now a fisherman in Hilton Head Island.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Cam Jordan]

You ever want to go fishing for some redfish in South Carolina, let me know. But he's. He helped.

[Billy Gill]

I'm gonna let you know. I think I will.

[Cam Jordan]

He's been part of this whole McCaffrey brand. He's no longer playing football, but he has really helped us develop this product. And as a fisherman, he's out on the boat all day long and very outdoorsy and hunting, fishing, you name it. And so he. He carries around, but he's been very helpful with the brand. It's been fun to work with him. And then Luke was a rookie with the Washington Commanders this season. So Lisa and I still travel to games every single single week.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Cam Jordan]

Every single week, we're watching an NFL football game, and when we're not there in person, we're watching games on television. Sometimes we're at the game with an iPad, watching them at the same time.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm reading between the lines. Here's two guys. Ed didn't say this. He'd never say this, but he kind of said, a little bit easy for Christian. He had all these genetics. I mean, all he had to do was fulfill his destiny.

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Unlike Ed. Yes. Not only did Ed. Not Ed didn't have a leg up in the NFL, and he didn't have a leg up in the Mustang mustard industry either.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

Paving the way, baby. You know, we were talking about that. You're talking to all these NFL families, right? It's. It's a. It's a blessing and it's a curse. I mean, genetically, you got to be talented enough to play in the NFL. I don't care who you are, what your name is. If you're not physically gifted, you can't be one of the best.001% of the people at what you do. But it requires a lot of hard work and determination. Nobody in my family played pro sports.

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Cam Jordan]

And I was the oldest of five kids. The expectations for me were zero.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

Like, do whatever you want. What do we care? Right? And. But when you. When you're the kid, they were just.

[Billy Gill]

Happy you weren't getting in trouble, right? Yes.

[Cam Jordan]

I got football for me was like cheap babysitting. Hey, we're going to practice. What? Practice football?

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Cam Jordan]

I didn't know I was on a team.

[Billy Gill]

Coaches looking after you.

[Cam Jordan]

Drops me off with a water bottle, and you start running laps and what are we doing here? And it was. You got five kids, your parents, you got three kids in three years, and all of a sudden you're like, they got to be. Participate in activities, get out of the house. And it wasn't fun in the beginning, but I fell in love with it. But when you're. You know, my kids have pressures I never had, like these guys that you're talking about that grew up like the Manning brothers. Even their dad played in the NFL, who knew they were going to be as good as they were.

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Cam Jordan]

But, you know, they're probably, when they were younger, always getting compared to their dad. Of course, if you're not an NFL player, then you didn't live up to expectations. I never had to deal with any of that. So. So I know a lot of pro athletes in football and other sports, they don't even want their kid to play the sport. I don't want them to have to endure that kind of criticism or pressure. And so Lisa and I never signed them up.

[Billy Gill]

Interesting.

[Cam Jordan]

We said, you have to do something. You're not going to sit around the house playing video games all day. But, like, my kids, be part of stem, you know, hey, join the chess team, play sports if you want, but you have to Be engaged, follow your passions. What is it you love to do? And so we made sure they had to do something, but. But we let him choose. So when they asked, it was my oldest son, Max, when he was 9, had a friend that played football. He's like, hey, can I sign up for football? And we're like, sure. We weren't going to prevent them from playing if that's what they wanted to do. And as soon as Christian saw Max playing, he. He couldn't get enough of it. And then his little brothers followed.

[Billy Gill]

As the father of an athlete who's playing at Northwestern lacrosse, women's lacrosse, which is the pinnacle of her sport, I imagine that watching your sons do it play football is more gratifying for you than you playing yourself. Correct.

[Cam Jordan]

You want more for your kids.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Cam Jordan]

For yourself. Every parent I talk to, you got a son, you got a daughter. They're playing. That doesn't matter what sport it is. It doesn't matter if they're singers or actors. You want them to succeed so. Well, more than you've ever wanted it for yourself. And that's the. The blessing of being a parent. It's also one of the most challenging things because you can't do anything about it.

[Billy Gill]

It's hard. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

Win, lose, or draw, we're here for you. We love you. I'm not on the field. I can't make a play for you. Right, Mike? You know, one of the reasons my kids loved lacrosse is because I didn't play lacrosse.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

They're like, so they want to do something dad didn't do, right?

[Cam Jordan]

Like, you don't even know what you're talking about. So then I started studying up, and I tried to give him one tip. I'm like, you gotta bend your knees and keep your arms straight when you're scooping. And, like, shut up.

[Billy Gill]

That's a very generic tip. Right.

[Cam Jordan]

You're ruining lacrosse for me, okay?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm lucky in that I haven't been great at anything, so my children have nothing to compare themselves.

[Billy Gill]

Right. I'm track and field.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me. Let me ask you something. So is there a rival condiment to mustard? So, like, let's say some of your children come out like Luke or Dylan. They say, you know what? We want to come after the throne, but we're going to go against mustard. Is ketchup, like, your rival?

[Cam Jordan]

No, it's not a rival. It's a completely different category.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, wow.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. And. And there's some, you know, obviously, hindsight. Heinz is by far the Number one ketchup on the planet. But they got some pressure. Some compet. Well, yeah, some competitors jumped up and. And produced ketchup without corn syrup because of health concerns. So then Heinz copied them and did the same thing because you have to follow the trends and you want to be health conscious. But there's. I mean, think about it. There's so many. I'm not going to name the names. There's so many very popular mustard brands that are in every grocery store on the planet. Right. But what we've been able to do is one, create a phenomenal product like our spicy brown mustard. I would put next to any mustard on the planet. There's not a better spicy brown mustard on the planet Earth than what we produce, really. So it's. It's absolutely delicious. You can't beat it, which is why it's still sold after 25 years. But we've also been able to create a little bit of a niche in our business because the bigger brands don't always want to experiment with new flavors and new products. So we've created a chipotle mustard. You don't find a lot of chipotle mustards. We have a Sriracha. We have a squeeze bottle with horseradish sauce. It tastes delicious. We came out with a smoky horseradish, slightly different flavor. The bigger companies are making so much money and have so much success with their main brands, they don't need branch off into different categories. So we can be nimble and quick, which is what we have to do. We can provide. You know, our main retailer is King Soopers in Colorado, which is owned by Kroger and City Markets. So when they want to come up with a new product because of the changing demographics or for any other reason, we can work really quickly. So we're more like a speedboat than, you know, an aircraft carrier. And so that's been a very efficient and successful thing for us to do. So over the years, when they've needed honey mustard, we create a honey mustard Dijon. We created Dijon and. And we'll continue to do that. And I think that's where we fit in. It's tough to stand toe to toe with, you know, billion dollar corporations. We're a mom and pop small company, make healthy food, make good tasting food.

[Billy Gill]

Billy, what do you imagine Ed to be like? You know, we spent some time with him, like when he's on the sidelines or he's in the stands and he's watching his kids play football and something doesn't go their way. What do you imagine him to be like? Because he's right. It is difficult. Like this nine schools he's being right now.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, thank you.

[Billy Gill]

I was.

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't know where that was going.

[Billy Gill]

No, no. You're very cool. You're a great guy. Very relaxed. But are you relaxed when you're watching them?

[Cam Jordan]

I am. I am now, but I, you know, as a parent. Look, we're just talking parents.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Cam Jordan]

You love your kid, you want them to succeed. There's probably going to be a time throughout their childhood where you're more relaxed and you're. You're saying and doing the right things, and you're there for them. You're not making it about you. And then there's probably a time, for whatever reason, where you get too intense.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

And I've gone through that. There was a time where I was sitting up in the stands and my wife's like, I'm not even going to.

[Billy Gill]

Sit next to you. Of course. Yes.

[Cam Jordan]

And you know what? In those moments, I realized me having any kind of anxiety, it's not helping them, but it's also pushing me away from my wife, who I love and maybe my other kids. Like, it's. It's challenging to be a parent. I respect parents. The number one thing you can do is love them and support them. They just want to know you're there for them no matter what happens. And one of the challenges for me, because I coached all my kids, is knowing when to take the coach's cap off.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

They don't need it on the right.

[Billy Gill]

Just be dad.

[Cam Jordan]

They don't need it at the dinner table. You know, if they ask me question. Now, I'm at the point where if they ask me, I'll volunteer advice, but if they do not ask me, I will not volunteer advice.

[Billy Gill]

Right. Makes sense. Do you ever wear the three super bowl rings just to, like, remind them, hey, Dad's got three of these.

[Cam Jordan]

You know what I don't have? Only recently, I wanted to buy Lombardi trophies and put them up in my house. And I've never displayed my rings because going back to what we said earlier, I never wanted them to feel the pressure of having to be a Super bowl champion, to be successful. So even to this day, I don't have my rings. I did bring one here because I got one for calling games on the radio as a member of the media.

[Billy Gill]

Wow. So you have four.

[Cam Jordan]

Gave me my fourth super bowl ring, calling the game. He didn't have to do that.

[Billy Gill]

That's very nice of him.

[Cam Jordan]

Very appreciative. So I'll wear that one because if I lose it, I can replace.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, but you tell people you have four rings, right?

[Stugots]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. Good.

[Cam Jordan]

I got one for each kid. They each get a ring.

[Billy Gill]

All right. We appreciate the time. One more time on the way out here, tell us again About Self and McCaffrey brands and these great products we just tried.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. Super Healthy Snack. I think you'll love them. Birthday cakes, chocolate chip, cookie dough, fudge brownie. You guys gave me your endorsement, so that's enough for me.

[Billy Gill]

Yep. And you're buying some books.

[Cam Jordan]

You know, put down the junk food. Pick up a healthy snack, McCaffrey Brands dot com. I hope you like them.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. And one more time. I love you. I love you.

[Cam Jordan]

Right back at you.

[Billy Gill]

Thank you. He doesn't really like. Oh, no. He said it.

[Cam Jordan]

I heard the word.

[Billy Gill]

I heard the words. I love you, too. Thank you, man.

[Cam Jordan]

And I'm buying your book.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. Wow. Two copies.

[Cam Jordan]

Congrats on publishing. Congrats on publishing. You're a great salesperson. Yes. I'll buy multiple copies. You know what?

[Billy Gill]

One for each kid this holiday.

[Cam Jordan]

I already know my white elephant gift.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, well, that's not compliment.

[Billy Gill]

That's the perfect ending, though. Thank you, Ed. We appreciate it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Billy Gill]

What's up? I just bought and financed a car.

[Dan Le Batard]

Through Carvana in minutes.

[Lucy]

You?

[Billy Gill]

The person who agonized four weeks over whether to paint your wall's eggshell or.

[Dan Le Batard]

Off white, bought and financed a car in minutes?

[Billy Gill]

They made it easy. Transparent terms, customizable, down and monthly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Didn't even have to do any paperwork.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Lucy]

Hey, have you checked out that spreadsheet.

[Billy Gill]

I sent you for our dinner? Options finance your car with Carvana and.

[Lucy]

Experience total control financing subject to credit approval.

[Billy Gill]

Cam Jordan, one of the really good guys at the NFL, one of the really good guys in general is joining us right now. I love you, man. What are you. What are you doing with Old Spice and what's in your head right now?

[Old Spice Guy]

When I think. Look, when I think about Old Spice, when I think about football in general, about the. The trench warfare that goes on between office alignment, defensive lineman coming in after practice, hot, sticky upset. You know, you're showering. And even after showers, you guys sort of got that like, I'm still sweating feeling. That's why you need something like a game changer, right? Old Spice is reinventing the game again. You know, we think about the deodorant game. You think about how you just apply. No, no, no. This is a sweat absorbing, total Body dry filled deodorant here where you're talking about. You can use it anywhere. 24, 7. Total body freshness. I mean, pits, sure. Chest. Yeah. You know, lower back, most likely for a.

[Billy Gill]

You have some in your pocket.

[Old Spice Guy]

I mean, I'm not going to say that I just keep one on me, but I keep one on me. Mandarin sandalwood. It is what it is. It gives you a nice little freshness. You know, I've been walking, somebody was like, oh, you smell nice. I was like, don't worry, sweetheart, it's just mandarin sandalwood.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it weird if I smell it?

[Old Spice Guy]

No, check it out, check it out. That's what I'm saying. It's gonna give you like a, like. Oh, is that. It's almost Mojito esque.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just saying take a bite of this. Two guys take a bite.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, here we go. Take a bite. Yummy.

[Old Spice Guy]

That's what I'm saying. It's nice. I mean, when you think about total body freshness, you think about what. What you want to do coming off of a great game. You want to smell nice as well. And that's going to give it to you.

[Billy Gill]

Delightful. Yeah.

[Old Spice Guy]

Apply anywhere. See as you see fit.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's this? This massive box?

[Old Spice Guy]

Come on, man. It's not a massive box. This is my guy I'm walking around with.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is massive. You were massive.

[Billy Gill]

Massive box. To us, Billy. To him it's just, you know, it's.

[Old Spice Guy]

Just a guy this old. It's a. The wise Old Spice guy.

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Old Spice Guy]

You know, can Old Spice total body deodorant may or may not make my. My dad jokes hit a little bit better.

[Billy Gill]

And there we have.

[Old Spice Guy]

Why ask this guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hello, how are you?

[Old Spice Guy]

Who do we have winning this game? You're right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Old Spice guy. You want to come sit down with us?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Come on.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on.

[Billy Gill]

Here we go. Make my dreams come true.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I've always want to be like. And I'm on a horse. Gosh darn it.

[Billy Gill]

You wanted to do that.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah, I've always.

[Billy Gill]

I've always wanted on a horse.

[Dan Le Batard]

Have you met him before?

[Old Spice Guy]

Absolutely not. Who has met the myth? You don't meet myths.

[Billy Gill]

It's like, geez, I gotta tell you, this is very exciting. I've don't. I've done like 20 Super Bowls. I've never been more nervous or excited for a guest to sit down.

[Old Spice Guy]

No.

[Billy Gill]

Than I am right now. I mean, this is amazing. Radio row Super Bowl.

[Old Spice Guy]

You didn't ride a horse in and I'm like. I'm sort of like. That's why they say never meet your heroes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Well, we're meeting him today. Hi, Old Spice Guy. How are you?

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Well, hello.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, boy. Of course. He talks like that.

[Old Spice Guy]

Of course. The voice I've always wanted.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Good to see. See you, gentlemen.

[Billy Gill]

Good to see you.

[Old Spice Guy]

What do we have here?

[Billy Gill]

You tell us.

[Old Spice Guy]

You know, it's. It's mini you in a box. You know, when we say Old Spice Guy now, I sort of want to throw this one away because we have the. The Old Spice Guy.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

The question, is he fresh?

[Old Spice Guy]

That's a foul proposition. Which we both know the answer is clearly yes.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Old Spice Guy]

When you think. When you think about the bourbon cherry scents that also have the new scented flavors. Come on, you. You're going to have to. To think that we're always going to stay fresh. You have to stay fresh. You never have to get fresh.

[Billy Gill]

Right? Cam Jordan is the best pitch man I have ever.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

He's gunning for my job.

[Billy Gill]

No, no, he said he wants your job now.

[Old Spice Guy]

I'm on a horse. I've always wanted to be the Old Spice Guy.

[Billy Gill]

What is the coolest guy, Coolest thing about being the Old Spice Guy?

[Old Spice Guy]

Oh, man, nobody knows your first name because that's true. Old first name, last name guy.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Probably horse horseback riding, you know, and, and, and staying fresh.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, my God. The voice.

[Old Spice Guy]

Swan voice.

[Billy Gill]

The voice.

[Stugots]

Yes.

[Old Spice Guy]

Swan dive. Into total body freshness.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Into total body freshness.

[Cam Jordan]

Yes.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Cam, you've nailed it once again.

[Billy Gill]

Wait, so we can ask questions about the Super Bowl?

[Old Spice Guy]

Absolutely.

[Billy Gill]

And we'll get an answer from the Old Spice guys in the box. Okay, that's him. Will Patrick Mahomes win Super bowl mvp?

[Old Spice Guy]

Here, let me bring him up to the.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Smells like a yes to me.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, wow.

[Old Spice Guy]

That was easy.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

You heard it from the guy on the horse's mouth.

[Old Spice Guy]

Wise old sage of an Old Spice Guy.

[Billy Gill]

How'd you like the process of becoming the Old Spice Guy? How did that happen for you? Like, how many people wanted it besides Cam?

[Old Spice Guy]

I mean, I also wanted to be Green Lantern and they just gave that.

[Billy Gill]

Away to a British guy.

[Old Spice Guy]

John Stewart is an American military man and we gave it away to a British guy. Undoubtedly. He has green eyes.

[Billy Gill]

So good.

[Old Spice Guy]

Kudos to him.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

There. There was a lot of people who were in that audition room, but. But yeah, it was, it was. It was quite a. Quite a few bare chested men running around that day.

[Billy Gill]

You were the best of them, though. Yeah.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah, absolutely. I just feel like, you know. Yeah. When you, when you think about New Orleans, you think about good times, and you think about, you know, hand grenades and the hurricane drinks, right? And, of course, King Cake, right? When I think. When I think about Total Body Spice, do I think about swagger?

[Stugots]

Mvp?

[Old Spice Guy]

Do I think about cherry Cherry bourbon or Man Manor sandalwood? I think about the Old Spice guy.

[Billy Gill]

V. He's coming for you, man. I don't know.

[Old Spice Guy]

Then I'd be a Old Spice guy. Nobody wants to be A when you.

[Stugots]

Can be B, right?

[Billy Gill]

Do you have a question for yourself? Yes.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Yeah. Oh, I do.

[Billy Gill]

I do. Okay. Me.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Hello, me. Is Cam coming for my job?

[Old Spice Guy]

Oh, the answer is no.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Old Spice Guy]

Well, it's crazy.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

There was no.

[Old Spice Guy]

There was no. There was no. Like. It's like he saw the inner depths of my soul. I didn't apply enough deodorant to cover me. Yeah, that's on me.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

You felt your vibe.

[Billy Gill]

Cam, what are, like, the two or three things we have to do if we're staying in New Orleans this week?

[Old Spice Guy]

Come on.

[Billy Gill]

The.

[Old Spice Guy]

The first thing you have to do other than marvel at my city is go find yourself a great king cake. You know, you're gonna. You Marty Gr. Season and upon us, right? So, of course it's, you know, finding a great, great place you can get crawfish at. That's. That's fine for me. I'm a desserts guy, so King cake is right up there. Ooey gooey cake elite. Go get you a prawling.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Old Spice Guy]

You know. You know, if you like Confectioner Sweet. If I'm not gonna say you're at the age where you. You probably enjoy candy corn.

[Billy Gill]

I love candy.

[Old Spice Guy]

I knew it.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Underrated.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

I like the ooey gooey cake myself.

[Billy Gill]

You're just, like, saying ooey gooey. Who doesn't.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Who doesn't like finger licking good sweets?

[Old Spice Guy]

Absolutely. So, yeah, if you're a candy corn guy, you're gonna love a. Probably, you know, right? So those are my top three sweets. You got to go. Go get you some.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the age of a candy corn guy? You said he looks like he's.

[Old Spice Guy]

Again, it's that age. It's like, you know. You know how, like, the emotion, the EQ of kids is. Is so much higher of a threshold than it is when we were growing up. When I was growing up. When you guys were growing up. Yeah, it's just like, the sweets, you know, there's an age limit. Like, some guys will never know. Kids born after 2000 are never going to know about charts. And chews Boston baked beans and the likes of candy corn.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. You know, you love those old school candy shops.

[Old Spice Guy]

I grew up watching my parents eat those types of things, and I was like, baked beans. And they'll be like, nobody wants baked Boston candy beans as a candy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Candy corn is some of the worst.

[Billy Gill]

Candy in the world.

[Dan Le Batard]

The worst.

[Old Spice Guy]

The worst candy in the world. Like, just go get you a sugar packing.

[Billy Gill]

My guy. Right? Chalk anything but candy corn, obviously. Each job.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Oh, the things they'll never know.

[Billy Gill]

Can you stay here the entire day? I just chime in just like.

[Old Spice Guy]

Just like that.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, that's so good. What's the favorite word for you to say with that incredible voice? I know there's a favorite word in there. Yeah, here we go.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

I'm on a horse.

[Billy Gill]

Or.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Hello. Hello, ladies. Hello, gentlemen.

[Old Spice Guy]

I can't even.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Hello, ladies.

[Old Spice Guy]

No, my voice doesn't even. Yeah, Gosh darn it. When I grew up and I looked myself in the mirror, I was like, I'm gonna have the most incredible voice ever. I'm 6, 4, 275 lbs. As an 18, as a 17 year old, and as a senior in high school, and I was like, hell, yeah, the voice is coming. And then, like, just think about when it dropped. Voice dropped. So this is where it dropped to.

[Billy Gill]

We were.

[Old Spice Guy]

We were up here for a while. Sounded like Mickey Mouse. And I was like, this is not. This is not.

[Billy Gill]

Cam. Are you complaining because you got a lot of gifts when you were born again?

[Old Spice Guy]

God gives all the soldiers, you know, every gift, and I got a lot.

[Billy Gill]

Of them, but we didn't have the one you wanted.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah, we didn't catch a Calais Campbell. We didn't catch the old spicy. Like, I can't even get that low.

[Stugots]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

How you doing?

[Old Spice Guy]

He's like, yes. Jesus.

[Billy Gill]

He's a friendly monster. Yeah.

[Old Spice Guy]

Gosh darn it.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Tiny me has a bigger chest than real me.

[Billy Gill]

I don't know about that.

[Old Spice Guy]

No, no, about that one.

[Billy Gill]

The.

[Old Spice Guy]

The pecs are percolating, you know?

[Billy Gill]

Wait, would you rather be the old Spice guy or be you? I mean, it seems like you'd rather be him.

[Old Spice Guy]

I. I mean, there's. That's a conflict of interest. Wait, how many kids do you have?

[Billy Gill]

Two.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would.

[Billy Gill]

I might take him.

[Old Spice Guy]

I've got four. His house seems a little bit cleaner. Yeah. When you. When you think about it, you know.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Yes, yes. We all know about the terrible twos.

[Old Spice Guy]

Two. Two is easy.

[Will Shields]

It's three.

[Old Spice Guy]

When they get the. Like, a conscientious two, they're just like, no, no, no. Three is like, no, because I said so. Why? If this was, if this was 1990s when I was growing up, I would have been cop back on you 2000. What do we say? Hey, you don't say that. Go to the corner, come back, breathe. We do breathing exercises.

[Dan Le Batard]

And candy corn.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah, yeah. We punish them with candy corn.

[Billy Gill]

You should. That's what you have.

[Old Spice Guy]

Oh, you like candy, huh? Dad's brought something for you.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's, that's no punishment.

[Billy Gill]

Say that again.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

I, I punish them with body wash. Bam. Staying clean.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Don't leave me the entire day. Total body.

[Old Spice Guy]

I'll say I reward them. I'm like, and who wants to smell like mandarin sandalwood? Any takers? Knowing good and well, you know, my nine year old is like, yeah, I love smelling clean. You know, he's, he gets dirty and at the same time he's like, dad, what are we wearing? I'm like, wow. What are we wearing? Choose one.

[Billy Gill]

Bo.

[Old Spice Guy]

Is it MVP is a swagger, or is it now Cherry bourbon?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Is it a towel? Or is it a shirt draped around your shoulders?

[Dan Le Batard]

What is that around your shoulder?

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

This is my shirt that I, that I. That I never wear.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why do you own one?

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

To put it around my neck.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

How dare you.

[Billy Gill]

Just in case you need it, or just like you'll never need it?

[Old Spice Guy]

All heroes need a cape.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Moments like now.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Does anyone have any more questions for the man in the box? Come on.

[Old Spice Guy]

Come on.

[Billy Gill]

Will Nick Sirianni be fired after this game?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Win or lose. Win or lose, my fresh friend, he.

[Old Spice Guy]

Said, but of course, my fresh friend. It's tough.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, tough.

[Old Spice Guy]

I now know what it feels like to have a head coach get fired. Win, lose or draw.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cam, last time we spoke to you, you told us how you would eliminate Gronk should you need to.

[Old Spice Guy]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

How would you eliminate the Old Spice Guy if you needed to? Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Wow. Through.

[Old Spice Guy]

Through nothing but time, cuz. As, as the sage of an Old Spice guys, I'm carrying. You have to respect the OGs of the game. So if he, you know, if he ever decided to unfortunately just live out his age, I, I, I'd be like. And now my son can take over. We'll both be long gone. I think he's calling you Old Spice Guy doesn't age.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Damn it.

[Old Spice Guy]

Didn't think about that one.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

I thought we were going to play full contact pickle ball.

[Old Spice Guy]

I am. And now you're speaking my realm. You know, I drop it in the kitchen.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, my God. I would ask you about football, but who cares?

[Old Spice Guy]

Yes, there's a team. There's two teams playing on Sunday. Yes. It's going to be a high scoring game. The Old Spice guy told me so. No, you don't have to be nervous about it because, again, if you have a question, you can always apply the Total Body Body deodorant that is Old Spice, as well as ask my guy if you have a real question.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Let's just be real. Sweat happens, but so does total body preciousness.

[Billy Gill]

Because it was.

[Old Spice Guy]

It was the. It was the eye look for me.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

It was like it was coming in. I was waiting for my intimidated.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. No, no, no.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

He was. I was waiting for him to finish myself.

[Billy Gill]

You always have an experience, and you're always right. Yes.

[Old Spice Guy]

I was like, right is always right.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. Right, Cam.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

And always fresh.

[Billy Gill]

Listen to me. I love you.

[Old Spice Guy]

I appreciate you.

[Billy Gill]

I know. I love you. I love you. You. I love you, man. Okay. I was feeling like we're not spreading enough love in the world right now, and I want to spend my week telling people that I love them. So. I love both of you guys. Okay. And I love you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Old Spice Guy]

We're gonna be very intrepid about them. The usage of love.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think he's overused.

[Old Spice Guy]

Enjoy your company.

[Billy Gill]

I love you. I don't care what you feel. I don't care how you feel about me. Sir.

[Old Spice Guy]

Hell y.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

Let me just say this to you down there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Stugots]

I love you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, I love you, Old Spice.

[Billy Gill]

Did you say it to me?

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

It's catching hold.

[Billy Gill]

I love you, too.

[Old Spice Guy]

I have deep affection for everybody, but we'll retain my love for the ones that I truly love.

[Billy Gill]

Cam.

[Old Spice Guy]

Damn it.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

The love is growing.

[Old Spice Guy]

The fact that I'm carrying you with me shows you how much I care for you.

[Old Spice Guy (Voice)]

The love. The love is abound.

[Billy Gill]

Love is abound. Gentlemen, thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your week.