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Roz Gold
You're listening to DraftKings Network. Hey, what's up everyone? Welcome to good follow presented by DraftKings. It's your girl Roz Gold on wedde alongside my co host Logan Hackett. Logan, how are you?
Logan Hackett
I'm doing well. Actually. Some news, I'm playing an LPGA event tomorrow so the nerves are kind of starting to come. Yeah. Surprise.
Roz Gold
What? What's tea? What? Like what are you gonna be doing?
Logan Hackett
Like, I'm playing in a pro am and it's actually my first time golfing in so long. Oh my goodness. But I'm really, really excited. For those who don't know, I used to be a D1 offer. So coming back full circle around the.
Roz Gold
Plug for Logan and on Thursday show we will absolutely. Well, it's not until the weekend.
Logan Hackett
No, it's tomorrow.
Roz Gold
Tomorrow. Okay, Thursday show we will be recapping how it goes for you but everyone here your good follow family. We are rooting for you so much. That's so exciting.
Logan Hackett
Thank you so much.
Roz Gold
Okay, everybody is a winner and an athlete here. We love to see it. Go ahead, girl.
Logan Hackett
Wait, how are you doing?
Roz Gold
Me? I mean I'm not doing golfing or playing in any pro event, but I am covering a pro event tonight. I personally just came from shoot around here in Brooklyn. It's a big day. The Liberty are playing the links today at Barclays center and I'm going to be on the call for the game. It is the fourth game that they've seen each other four times in like 20 games. For some whatever weird reason, all the games have been clumped together in this span and it's a big game for, for both teams, but certainly the Liberty who are trying not to get swept in this series within the regular season. And obviously this is a finals rematch. So actually, next show on Thursday, expect all the tea. We are going to break down the close of the in game regular season series between the Liberty and the Lynx once we see what happens in the fourth game tonight. So absolutely tune in Thursday and I'll have the tea straight from Barclays center for y'. All.
Logan Hackett
I have a feeling that game is going to be absolute cinema.
Roz Gold
Yeah. Oh, no, it's, it's going down at Barclays. All right, so moving on to today's show, we have many topics to go through. Let me take you through the menu. So first we are going to talk about the Indiana Fever and how this injury bug hits them and bites them again. Then we're going to look at officiating in the wnba. It continues to come up as an issue. It's being talked about by fans, by players, by coaches. We dive in. And then the Aces, those Las Vegas Aces, they are getting hot at the right time and it is time to make some commotion. And we're going to talk about all the ways they are shaking things up. And then there's just something special about those Golden State Valkyries. Goodness gracious. They continue to make history as an expansion franchise and certainly make everybody proud in the Bay.
Logan Hackett
And don't forget, y' all can catch new episodes not once but, but twice a week. One on Tuesday and one on Thursday. And as always, thank you all so much for all of the love, commenting, liking subscribing, following all of our socials and we just love y' all so much. But Roz, are you ready to get into the show?
Roz Gold
Zachary, come on, girl. Let's get it. Let's do it.
Logan Hackett
Let's do it. So, wow, a lot happened this past weekend, but one of them was Sophie Cunningham being taking off the court after sustaining a leg injury. And that game was crazy to begin with because the team rallied back from a 21 point deficit to win 99, 93 in overtime over the sun. Shout out to Kelsey Mitchell. She had 34 of her career tying 38 points in the second half. But a lot of this has blown up on socials. Most of the conversation around it is about safety of the player and the officiating with Sophie's family getting involved, saying at wnba, maybe you should focus less on finding players for commenting on your poor officiating and more about hiring officials that are able to call a consistent game and protect your Athletes pathetic. Now, whoa. Fans are calling out Sophie because she is also one to play aggressively. And she has her history of moments where people have been like, whoa, okay Sophie, way too much. And then she had this to say. Quote, some of us were raised by the words of don't bite off more than you can chew. And some of us didn't. F A F. Oh. Coming back to the question that I want to ask you. Is this part of the game or should the W be doing more here to mitigate this situation?
Roz Gold
Well, there is just so much to unravel in all of this. But I think it's pretty safe to say, man, the WNBA is cinema. Like, it does not fail to entertain. I swear, just everybody's a character. But I think just starting first with the situation with the refs, which is now continued to be a consistent theme of complaint throughout the season. Look, the game is more physical. That's what we're hearing from players and coaches and maybe more so than in the past. But what I'm hearing is everyone just wants to see the game called consistently from one game to the next. And so I think there's kind of two ways to look at this. Like from, from the consistency side, one example might be free throws, right? Like the Liberty and Lynx game on Saturday, right in Minnesota. The links took 33 free throws, the Liberty took eight. And post game you could clearly see that the Liberty players and coach, they were fuming about it. Kelsey Plum has complained about and has been dismayed about free throw calls. I mean it's, it's throughout coaches, players, Natasha Cloud, Cheryl Reeve, players have taken fines for calling these things out. So it's been public complaints about the inconsistency. Here's the other side to look at it that I do think is a little bit more worrisome. It's the referees ability to control the game. And some of these games are getting out of, out of control and even dangerous at times. And actually the Indiana Fever and Connecticut sun were at the center of this earlier this season where there were rough plays being made in that game. There were pushes, there were handshakes, none of it being called. No, no ejections, no suspensions. And it led to set a tone of recklessness not only through that game but it could do that through a season. And it led in that game into an all out melee on the court. Now individuals there need to take accountability. But I also think like establishing control by refs throughout the game and showing that there are repercussions for poor behavior, poor physical Behavior on the court is really key. So I think that's a real talking point that exists. That's true, and that's important. But I think, like, when we come back to the most recent game where Sophie Cunningham unfortunately went down with injury and Bria Hartley was the. Was the one that hit her in the leg. You know, I watched the play over and over, and I don't think that Bria Hartley had anything malicious there. I think it was really unfortunate. And it sucks that it's Bria Hartley, because this season, she has been at the heart of a lot of tussles and scuffles. This season, she just has. That's a fact. But in this one play, I just think it was unfortunate timing. And it was actually, I think, the tweets that came out of Sophie Cunningham's camp family herself that made things hotter. And considering that Sophie Cunningham was the one that was in the melee dragging a girl last time the sun and Fever saw each other, to me, her tweet that you pointed out kind of seemed like the pot calling the kettle hot. Or is it the kettle corn and a pot hot? I don't know, but you understand what I'm trying to say. And I also think I'll throw one more thing in there. I think a lot of heat comes from these podcasts, too. There's a lot of players in the WNBA season right now doing podcasts. They're spilling tea, they talk a mess, and guess what? They're seeing the opposing opponent. It almost feels like the very next game. And the thing about WNBA players, they want the smoke. WNBA players be coming right at you and talking about what they heard you say on the podcast. It makes for an exciting season and a little bit of a messy season to follow. But it's just a lot going on, Logan.
Logan Hackett
Absolutely. And I think Sophie is also aware. I mean, she is a Leo, but she's aware of the impact that she has and how far her words travel. But you saw it in the Phoenix game. I mean, no one on Phoenix was messing with her after she had the comments to say about Dana Bonner. Whether they were true or not, or it was her side of the situation against Duanas, it still got out in public, and that was something that no one really knew beforehand. But I do just want to talk about the team real quick. If Sophie has to miss time and combine that to everyone out, everyone else who is currently out, would that just be another reason to shut Caitlin down for the rest of the season?
Roz Gold
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Roz Gold
You know, I honestly can't tell what the Indiana Fever should do. I honestly don't know. Because when Sophie Cunningham went down, like the knee jerk reaction might have just been, all right, that's enough for the Fever. Like valiant effort, absolutely. Hands down. Clap for them. But it's probably a wrap for them. And then they come back in such a heroic fashion and continue to overcome the odds and adversity. And there's something about this Indiana Fever team that you just don't want to give up on. And it's simply because they won't give up on themselves. That's the reason why. Look, Sophie Cunningham gets injured in the second quarter. They go down 21 points in that game and somehow find a way to rally. Every single player is in on it. There's a story to tell everywhere. You know Kelsey Mitchell is having an MVP conversation, caliber level season. She's in the conversation. When you think about all the way she has carried the offense, especially with all the injuries to the Fever. And it was heroic. 34 for 38 points in the second half. But that's not just it. You've got Odyssey Sims, right? She just joined the team because of the injuries to Sid colson and Harry McDonald she gets her first start, 19 points, seven assists. They just find a way to eat something out of every player. And guess what? Because Odyssey started, Lexi hall came off the bench. Did that rattle Lexi Hall? Did that change the way she came out the game and gave everything to the team? No. Instead she stays with it and it's a huge, clutch three pointer. Everybody's ready. Aaliyah Boston continues to do a little bit of everything for this team on both sides. She's having a great season. She had 14 points, 13 rebounds, five assists, two blocks, two steals. Natasha Howard, 18 points. You got Coach White in the locker room post game and in the press conference crying about this team. I mean, the emotions are undeniable. Everything they've overcome, it's almost like something out of a movie how much adversity that they've overcome. And I don't know, like, you know, Indiana, it's a real basketball town. You think of those stories and lore and Hoosiers and this is one of those kinds of stories. And I just feel like, I don't know if you want to call it quits on that. I don't know if you say, oh, don't put Caitlin back in this season. Let's save her for next year. But I know one thing for sure. No matter how this season ends for the Fever, they can hold their heads high. Like that team, no matter what happens the rest of the season, they can hold their heads high.
Logan Hackett
Absolutely. And they do have a bit of a tough schedule to close it out. But we've also seen that they're able to battle. And I'll just say it outright, that is something you don't see in men's sports. I mean, I was just trying to think of teams that have big storylines against literally every single player battling day in and day out to play for their team. I'm going to say here, this is why women's sports are better. But on the note of kind of persevering, I want to talk about the Aces because earlier this season they had a historic 53 point loss to the Links. It was really bad. But after that, they went on a seven game win streak defeating the Wings. And Asia Wilson is showing out. She had 34 points. Chelsea Gray had a career high 14 assists. And Jackie Young is finding her groove. Now, after the game, Asia had this to say on letting the game come.
Roz Gold
To her heart, but enforce it, because I want this win so bad for my team. It's like forcing a fart. All you get is so like, I just really like learned to be patient with myself, but also my teammates. And so I think that game kind of showed it.
Logan Hackett
Now, if you think about all the other episodes where we've talked about the Aces, we've just been asking what the heck is going on with them? How can they turn around? But this morning I read a really interesting article on ESPN and they mentioned that the next practice following the loss, the team came to Becky and the coaching staff with their preferred matchups, schemes and flow of the game. Becky poked holes and gave feedback in their presentation. And then the Aces turn around and challenge Becky and the coaching staff's prep as well. And Becky said that the collaboration ignited them, gelled them and held everyone accountable. But along with that, what else do you see working for the Aces right now?
Roz Gold
I mean, there is so much working for the Aces right now and first and foremost, it's time to just give it up to the Aces who are making so much noise at this point. They just shake this whole thing up. Like right now they are tied for fourth in the standings after all of the struggle they had this season and they could slide to the two seed. Can you imagine if after the harsh way that they started the season that they slide to the two seed? And you know, it really started with that really embarrassing 53 point loss to Minnesota was at home. They haven't lost since. They've won seven in a row, nine of 10. And I said this in the last episode, I pretty much just gave flowers to Asia and you know how she was bringing this team with her. I think it's Asia. I also want to make sure I give flowers to the rest of the team as well. But Asia, it starts and ends with her. During this win streak, she's average averaging 26 points, 13 rebounds. She's leading the league in blocks. She's number two in points. She's number two in rebounds. She is the drum beat. She is the motor. She is the undeniable force fueling the surge. She is the leader in the locker room. She is the one sending texts to the team making sure that that coach Becky doesn't lose the locker room, that the team holds themselves accountable, that the team stays together while they stick together and try to figure this thing out. So first and foremost, it's flowers for Asia. But it's also time right now. Yes, but it's also time right now. You know you're talking about a seven game win streak. It's not just one player and a lot of credit goes to the entire Aces who the way I like to think about it. They've stayed open to new versions of themselves. So sometimes when you get you hold on to what you think it needs to be or the way it has to be. Like, you miss the true path, the true vision, the true blessing that's in front of you. And like, what I see is a team that throughout the season continue to adjust and try new things. And that's coach Becky. That's all the players. It's Jewel Lloyd being humble, raising her hand to come off the bench. You know how hard that is for a superstar Olympic level player. You know, she's playing less minutes, but she's scoring more points and she's more efficient. It's coach Becky Hammond being flexible. You know, she. She didn't lose the locker room. She continued to communicate with them. She continued to tweak the lineup multiple times. She had to tweak the lineup with players she's won championships with. She's held players accountable. She's been adjusting this season with the new coaching staff. She lost key players, Marsh Nakase as coaches on her staff and that's an adjustment for her during this win streak. If you check it out, Chelsea Gray has been making her teammates better during this run and she's been getting back to making more assists. I've always said Chelsea Gray has to stir that pot. She's the stick that makes it, that stirs it, right? You got role players. Look at KB in the starting lineup or the Leon I stretching the court, hitting threes. You got to chip in in that way. You need somebody to space it. And I think someone I should have even shouted out earlier is Jackie Young, the second most consistent player on this team after Asia Wilson. And she's bringing it on both sides of the ball, offense and defense overall as a team. Again, if we focus on this win streak here, the Aces have committed to defense. They've been a better defensive team. They've been better at rebounding. These are the areas where they've had so much slippage or inconsistency and that's what's made them hot right now. So it's been a full body of work from the Aces and I think you got to pay attention. They're making noise, they shaking things up and you got to give some flowers all around.
Logan Hackett
I do just want to quickly retouch on KB because a lot of she was getting annihilated pretty much especially when they were making cuts and she stayed on the roster. Now she's in a starting position and the balls and guts that it takes for Becky to take a player who really hasn't been producing a ton, but keep the faith in her and then have her in the starting lineup now. And it, it's been proven to work, especially with the production that Jewel Lloyd production and improvement that you Lloyd has been making. But I really quickly want to go to our last topic. We're running a bit out of time, but it's the Golden State Valkyries, and they are really setting the tone for expansion. This weekend they became the winningest expansion team in WNBA history with their 18th win. They're currently in seventh place and are literally doing everything they can to secure that playoff spot. What do they need to do to keep the momentum going?
Roz Gold
He's just got to keep winning. Like, what a gutsy story. Everyone can get around this new expansion franchise. You know, they lost their lone All Star and Kayla Thornton for the season. And honestly, a lot of people was like, okay, that was nice. Guess that's done. They won. They've won four of their last five games. They've also been without a key veteran and Monique Billings, who's been injured. Friend of the show. They're squeezing something out of every single player. Veronica Burton, special shout out. She has the most improved player of the year case. I mean, the biggest shout out, I think, is to Natalie Nicase, who culturally has created a team of hustlers, of hard workers, of selflessness. Shout out to the organization that arena, the home crowd ball. Holla. They're calling themselves. That's an advantage. It's absolutely bonkers in there, and I think it fuels the team. To me, the Valkyrie season is already a success. They've had the most wins of any expansion franchise. If they managed to hold on and squeak into the playoffs, what a story. What a successful season this would have been. But either way, they've done their thing.
Logan Hackett
I need the people at Toronto Tempo to take everything they've done and put it up on your locker room as a standard because they are truly setting it. And it's been so great to see, especially also considering that people going into the season were like, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what this roster is going to look like, what is the result of this going to be? And they're really doing their big one. But y' all coming up, I make my draft Kings pick of the week. We'll be right back.
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Logan Hackett
Welcome back to Good Follow. Today's episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings the Crown is yours. It is now time for the DraftKings Pick of the Week presented by DraftKings. This weekend I have my eye on a very fun matchup between San Diego Wave and Racing Louisville. After a crazy week with a four team race for second place, San Diego got the spot and are sitting pretty with a one point lead. The European style of play is absolutely beautiful to watch and they're currently second in goal scored with 28. My player to watch here is French midfielder Kenzo Dali who is consistent and precise tallying three goals, two assists and has completed the second most passes in the league this season. As for Racing Louisville, they're a bit of a dark horse proving that they can hang with the top teams. Although currently in seventh place, they've been on an incredibly hard five game stretch against top four teams and have only fallen to Kansas City who are way ahead of of the pack. The one to look out for is Emma Sears who has been pretty quiet in the past few games but still leads the team with six goals. If one person is getting the win for Louisville, I have no doubt it'll be her. To be honest, I would not be surprised if this game ends in a draw, but if I had to pick a winner, I'm going with San Diego as they're looking too good right now. This segment is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings the Crown is yours.
Roz Gold
A crown is yours Logan. We are at the part of the show where we get to all the headlines, the quick hits happening in women's sports. What you got for us?
Logan Hackett
Yes, so there was a bit of controversy around this but it does seem exciting. U.S. open is doing a new mixed doubles and it's consisting of all the star players so it's done to draw eyes on mixed doubles and it seems like it's going to be really fun.
Roz Gold
I can't wait to see that. I'm going to be at the U.S. open this year. Are you?
Logan Hackett
Oh, I'm so jealous. I don't think so. My mom will be, but I don't think I'm going this year.
Roz Gold
I know you guys barely miss any big tennis tournament, so one of us.
Logan Hackett
Will always be there. The next cricket we have is the women's rugby World cup kicks off this Friday, and England vs USA is the opening match. I am definitely going to tune into that because I want to watch rugby so much more.
Roz Gold
Okay. Okay. You'll have to fill us in.
Logan Hackett
Yes, I will do. Angel Reese is launching her shoe a bit early. And the colorways for this. I'm obsessed with the names. We have me bounds receipts ready, and Diamond Dusty.
Roz Gold
I mean, the creativity and the authenticity around the names is so good. And the way that she's just turned anything that was negative around her into her own thing that she owns and can even monetize. Go, Angel. We love to see it.
Logan Hackett
And.
Roz Gold
And I also saw she said something about, like, wanting this to hit the culture hard where, like, everyone is rocking these Reebok kicks and it's just, like, a part of the culture. So I love that. I love that she aspires for that. And we're excited to see a new job.
Logan Hackett
Yes. I will definitely be getting them, pairing them with outfits and as she said, wearing them like Air Force ones. But another thing that happened actually, last night, goalie Alyssa Nair scored an equalizer in a crazy game. In the end of your cell, we have something called end of yourself after dark. It always gets crazy when the sun goes down, but that really put the cherry on top. And then lastly, we have Sue Bird getting a statue in Seattle. It was all over my feed. Absolutely love to see it.
Roz Gold
Yeah, it was really cool and emotional seeing all of the greats come out and speak. Swin Cash dance Taurasi. And, you know, Sue Bird talking about what it was like. I'm from New York. I'm from Queens. I remember as a little girl, like, watching Sue Bird, hearing of her coming through Christ the King and then UConn and beyond and being inspired. So really cool. She was honored with a statue like that.
Logan Hackett
And I love Megan just in the corner with her little film camera the whole time. Cannot wait to see those pictures.
Roz Gold
Oh, my gosh, what an exciting time of the year for women's sports. There's so much going on with the WNBA heating up and playoffs on the way. There's tenants coming. I mean, it's just so much happening. And we will have you covered through it all on good follow show because we are covering everything through women's sports and hoops. And good follow is presented by DraftKings. This episode is over, but we have another one dropping on Thursday. We drop twice a week and we hope to see you there. So subscribe, show up in the comments, engage, follow us on social media. We love to hear from you, and thanks for rocking with us. I'm Roz Golden Wood. That's Logan Hackett. Logan, anything else before we sign off?
Logan Hackett
See you on Thursday. Can't wait to see you.
Roz Gold
See you there. Bye, y'. All. Thank you.
Logan Hackett
Bye.
Roz Gold
Sam, it's.
Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz (Good Follow)
Hosts: Roz Gold-Onwude & Logan Hackett
Date: August 19, 2025
This episode of Good Follow delivers a lively, insightful breakdown of major current stories in women’s basketball, focusing on: the Indiana Fever’s injury woes (and resilience), league-wide concern over officiating in the WNBA, the Las Vegas Aces finding their late-season groove, and the Golden State Valkyries setting the standard for WNBA expansion teams. The hosts’ relaxed, fan-driven tone—full of inside jokes and praise for the game’s personalities—keeps the energy high while providing genuine analysis and honest opinions.
[04:26–11:07, 11:30–14:00]
Sophie Cunningham's Injury
Criticism of WNBA Refereeing
Team Grit Despite Injuries
Should Caitlin Clark Be Shut Down?
[04:26–11:07]
The hosts detail increased complaints regarding inconsistent foul calls, referencing recent games with wild free-throw disparities and a general uptick in physicality.
Potential dangers when refs fail to maintain control—leading to dangerous play and even an on-court melee earlier in the season.
Roz points to the growing public nature of these debates—fueled by player podcasts and social media “smoke.”
“It’s actually, I think, the tweets that came out of Sophie Cunningham’s camp, family, herself that made things hotter.” [07:44]
“Players have taken fines for calling these things out. So it’s been public complaints about the inconsistency.” [06:38]
[14:00–19:20]
“She is the drum beat. She is the motor. She is the undeniable force fueling the surge. She is the leader in the locker room.” [16:32]
[20:09–21:13]
On WNBA Drama:
“The WNBA is cinema. Like, it does not fail to entertain. I swear, just everybody’s a character.”
– Roz Gold, [05:45]
On Aces’ Turnaround:
“It starts and ends with [A’ja]. … She is the drum beat. She is the motor.”
– Roz Gold, [16:32]
Asia Wilson on Forcing the Game:
“It’s like forcing a fart. All you get is—so, like, I just really learned to be patient with myself, but also my teammates.”
– A’ja Wilson (quoted by Roz), [14:51]
On Female Athletes’ Resilience:
“I’ll just say it outright, that is something you don’t see in men’s sports. … This is why women’s sports are better.”
– Logan Hackett, [14:00]
| Timestamp | Topic/Event | |-----------|-------------| | 04:26 | Sophie Cunningham injury, officiating criticism explodes on social media | | 05:45 | Roz analyzes the broader issues with WNBA officiating and consistency | | 11:30 | Roz celebrates the Fever’s resilience and questions whether to shut Caitlin Clark down | | 14:00 | Logan: The difference in grit between women’s and men’s sports | | 14:51 | Asia Wilson’s colorful analogy for letting the game “come to you” | | 16:32 | Roz’s appreciation for Aces’ leadership and team-wide buy-in | | 20:09 | Valkyries’ historic expansion season and playoff push | | 21:13 | Logan praises Valkyries as a blueprint for future expansion teams |
Hosts Roz and Logan radiate enthusiasm and admiration for the WNBA and women’s sports. Listeners are left with not only a recap of the latest headlines but a sense of why these stories resonate: “There’s something about this Indiana Fever team that you just don’t want to give up on. And it’s simply because they won’t give up on themselves.” [11:30]
The episode closes with the assurance that Good Follow will keep listeners plugged into every twist as the women’s sports season ramps up toward its playoff climaxes.