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GOOD FOLLOW - Jordin Canada & Kelley O’Hara Join the Show + Selection Sunday, Unrivaled Playoffs, WNBA CBA & More
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Roz Golden
Hey, what's up y'all?
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Logan Hackett
Welcome to Good follow presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz Golden. Woody, that's my girl, Logan Hackett. Logan, what's goody? How are you, my girl?
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Jordan Canada
I'm good, honestly. I feel like I woke up the other day and it's like, okay, it's a new month. I got on a whole vitamin regime. I'm feeling absolutely amazing and very excited for what's in sports. How about you?
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Logan Hackett
Oh my gosh. You go, girl. You got your whole life together, right?
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Jordan Canada
Kind of feels like it is like wait, am I adulting right now?
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Logan Hackett
Yes. What?
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Jordan Canada
It looks like yes.
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Logan Hackett
Yes. Did you say vitamin regime?
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Jordan Canada
Yeah. I spent crazy amounts, very amount of times researching vitamins and I hate to say it, but they are working really well.
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Logan Hackett
You know what, I'm so excited for what's coming up for us. We're about to have our reunion again in Miami. We're heading to Miami for the unrivaled playoffs and the Miami Open some tennis. Oop, Is that the right way? So I can't wait to see you in person. But before we even get to our next in person show for Goodfellow show, we gotta take you through today's today we got a big one. We got an exclusive sit down interview with two time WNBA champion Jordan Canada joins us. Not only is Jordyn a baller, but she completely takes us through her process as a singer and a musician and you know, sneak peek some music with us. We also hear from Kelly O'Hara who joins the show to preview the NWSL season. Y'all, it is the unrivaled playoffs. We will be talking about that. We'll be, we will be diving into college hoops and March Madness and also we'll be talking about Angel Reese's comments on the WNBA's upcoming CBA negotiations. So we have a packed show. But before we get there, I just want to say, Logan, I speak for you when I say this to our viewers. We love y'all.
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Jordan Canada
Yes so much, so much love for y'all.
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Logan Hackett
We love you guys. And we promise to be a show that covers women's sports with passion and with enthusiasm. So we thank you for watching, for subscribing. If you haven't subscribed yet, please do it. Follow us on social media. Comment like all the things. Oh, when do we drop?
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Jordan Canada
Every Single Wednesday at 7pm Eastern Time.
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Logan Hackett
There you go. All right, let's get to it.
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Jordan Canada
Alrighty. We had another crazy weekend in college basketball with the conference tournaments going on. And to be honest, I felt like Elmo in that jif or gif when he's, like, engulfed in flames. I kind of love all the chaos, but I want to start with the Big Ten. First of all, we saw Caitlin Clark. Absolutely jacked Caitlin. I need your routine. A. But B, is it.
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Logan Hackett
She's.
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Jordan Canada
Yeah. What is going on? I am jealous. I am shocked. Like, that is something I would long for. We also saw a rematch between USC and ucla. I mean, I feel like they're meeting all the time, but this was for the Big Ten tournament title, and it was UCLA who quite literally took the crown at this time. It was crazy to see their defense and the adjustments that they made. Shout out to Lauren Betts as well. But USC only made four baskets in the final 12 minutes, which is so unexpected. I mean, I feel like this was very much a statement game for them. But with March Madness coming up very quickly, what are each team's expectations heading into it?
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Logan Hackett
Yeah, you know, first of all, we're getting heavyweight matchups between UCLA and usc. Some people are hoping that they'll see this matchup a fourth time and maybe they'll both get 1 seeds in Tampa, perhaps the Final Four. I would love to see it.
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Roz Golden
Why not?
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Logan Hackett
But, you know, I think it was a great response from UCLA getting this win. I think shout out to Lauren Betts, like, wow, you know, she really sets the tone for them defensively. She had four blocks, four steals in the game. Three of those four blocks came in the fourth quarter. And there was a really signature defining moment as juju Watkins is just trying to find a way to score. A bucket goes to the lane and she's denied by. By Lauren Betts. And I just think you set the tone in that way. And it's not just defense. Offensively, Lauren was able to be super efficient. 7 for 10 from the field for 17 points. She absolutely was deserving of that most outstanding player. And, you know, good for ucla, whose defense was just staggering in the second quarter. So ucla, I mean, they were just absolutely suffocating on defense in that second half and thwarted anything that USC was trying to do. And that brings me to USC. They were up by 13 in the third quarter. And Logan, you brought it up. They only hit two field goals in the last 12 minutes of game time. Like, in real life time. Like, that's like 30 minutes or even more. That's a long time where they can't get something going. And so that's my question for usc. Like, when the offense isn't flowing, when juju is not going, like, how do you manufacture some kind of production? Because USC didn't get to the free throw line enough, I think, like, they only got there 13 times. And when you're struggling to. To score the ball, every possession starts to really count for more. And they turned it over 19 times, so they don't even have the ball long enough. And you've got to figure out when you're an elite team, how do you stop the bleeding? And one of those is, you know, not turning it over. I think a healthy film session will help USC right now as they head into March. I mean, again, not a panic moment, but just healthy film session to answer these types of questions.
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Jordan Canada
Yeah. And to go with that point, the stat on it was they shot 22.2% from the field in second half, which is just atrocious. Like, especially as you said, getting down to crunch time. Like, this is a game that you want to win. You want to complete the 3p. You know how much, like, animosity is behind it with some things that you've seen online. But very shocking to see that on the UCLA side. Good for them because their only losses are to usc. They denied the three peat, I guess you'd say. But heading into March, that's a very good look to have on your resume.
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Logan Hackett
Oh, my goodness. They changed their season. Girl, had they lost again to usc. I mean, it completely changes the way they head into March. But that wasn't the only tournament that crowned a champion. We're going to take a look at the SEC tournament. South Carolina wins. Shout out to Dawn Staley, who is a pillar of just excellence and consistency over the course of years and different rosters and classes. But they took down Texas. They won by 20 to win the SEC tournament. So, Logan, is South Carolina, like, finding their. Their top gear at the right time, or did Texas peak too soon, too early in the season?
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Jordan Canada
I honestly think it's a mixture of both. It's kind of a crazy year for South Carolina because in the past, they've never really had to flip that switch and be like, okay, it's go time. They've been go from the very start. Whereas this year you saw them take losses early. You. There's people who are questioning, okay, is this going to be a championship winning team? And there's more people who doubted them than before, which they thrive off. So them flipping this switch in the SEC tournament, showing how truly dominant they are, I mean, it's a masterclass. I was watching it and I was like, they, they have a very good shot at winning the Natty now, which. That was the first time I've thought about that. On the other hand, all of Texas stats were trash. Absolutely trash. They weren't getting anywhere in this game. I mean, 29.6% from field goal range and 12.5% from three point. What are you doing with that? Especially against a team like South Carolina. And it was South Carolina who makes that happen.
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Logan Hackett
They're known for def.
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Jordan Canada
That is a very good point. But actually to that point, their offense was cooking and I don't think we've seen as much of a dominant performance as they showed in the sec and bringing that into March with that on your back, I think it's scary hours for them.
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Logan Hackett
Scary hours.
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Jordan Canada
Well, now flipping it over to the ACC head coach Carol Lawson led Duke to their first ACC tournament championship since 2013. I absolutely love this. If y'all don't know who Carol Lawson is, please go look her up. Please go look up her pregame talks on YouTube. She is absolutely amazing. But on their way to the final, they upset NC State and Notre Dame, which I some people would say they didn't expect, to be honest. I was in Orlando. I called up somebody who could bet here because of the Ontario betting laws and not break any rules. And I said, duke is going to be Notre Dame. It just looks like that. They seem very inconsistent to me. It's just. I don't know. I have thoughts on this, but I want to start.
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Roz Golden
Okay.
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Logan Hackett
Logan, you called that?
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Kelly O'Hara
I did.
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Jordan Canada
Afterwards, I was like, wait, yes, like Duke moneyline, Duke spread. I love it. But Ross, I want to start with Duke. How big is this win for them and Carol Lawson?
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Logan Hackett
Huge. Huge. You know, Carol Lawson, I've had the pleasure of getting to know her. She's excellent. She was excellent as a player, excellent as a broadcaster, and now moving into greatness as a coach. This is a huge pillar for her program. And Duke came in, they were at the bottom. Coach them through a pandemic and in five years now has Them back at the top of the ACC winning the tournament. And to your point, Logan, this was a really tough path. They had to go through Notre Dame, they had to go through NC State and her team is young and hungry. And they're defensive, they've got a strong identity and that defensive identity, like it was more than they just squeaked through and upset them. They held Notre Dame 28 points below their scoring average. They held NC State 15 points below their scoring average. So, I mean, this is a team that has heads into the tournament with a lot of momentum, a really good strong sense of self and their formula to success and kudos to them.
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Jordan Canada
And on the flip side, should we be worried about Notre Dame or should Notre Dame be worried about Notre Dame heading into the tournament?
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Logan Hackett
You know, look, Notre Dame, they're still those girls, you know, but. But I am concerned for them because they are limping into March. Their last two losses. Coach Neil Ivey has had to talk with the team for an hour post game. This is what's standing out to me. Not even just the losses, it's the fact that Coach Ivey, there's reports from media that they've had to wait for the team to leave the locker room post game. These losses over an hour, that's a lot of talking. And on one hand I understand that Neil Ivey is trying to just impress urgency on her team so that they don't miss the moment that's right here for them. But on the other hand, I feel like it's March, you know, and this isn't a team that needs to be talked into some kind of miracle. Like they have every single thing they need to be a championship team. And ultimately I think that the talk and the rally has to come from the Notre Dame players and the team themselves. You can't just be a team that's beating your chest and talking big and all this and that when things are going well, you don't want to be a frontrunner like you are being challenged right now. This is real adversity and you're heading into a one and done scenario. So y'all gotta double down on who you are. And I think that's what they got away from their identity as a team. That's defensive, high energy, confident, has defense that creates offense and they can create high tempo, up tempo pace, energetic situations where they can really just showcase their toughness. So they've gotta dig right now.
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Jordan Canada
All I have to say to that is thoughts and prayers, quite literally. But the unrivaled is also in their Crunch time. All the basketball is heating up. We absolutely love to see it. But shout out to Steph Curry, who was just named as the latest investor. Steph Curry, you are unrivaled.
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Logan Hackett
Stephen Curry is unrivaled. Every time I see these announcements, I feel like it's like so and so is unrivaled. But this is a big one. This is like a nod at the end of the season where it's like people got to view the unrivaled season, see what it was, and then was.
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Jordan Canada
Like, yeah, he's like, oh, I need to tap in.
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Logan Hackett
I need to tap. Exactly. And you know, a shout out to Stephen Curry because he's been investing in the woman's game and this is just continues the path that he's on.
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Jordan Canada
Yeah. And with that, the seedings are locked in for playoffs with the Lunar Owls clinching the number one seed. Then we have Rose at number two, laces in three, and then Vinyl secured the fourth seed on Monday night. So the Lunar Owls are heavy fan favorites. They have been fan favorites for pretty much the whole season. But if there were to be somebody to take them down, who do you think that would be?
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Logan Hackett
You know, I think that the. The two teams that have the best chance of taking down the Owls might be the Rose. And the Laces and the Rose have been trending up to end the season. They go as Chelsea Gray goes. One of the most beautiful things I saw on Unrivaled is just that Chelsea's healthy. She's rejuvenated, she's playing with joy and, you know, she's taking her teammates with her. Angel Reese is so competitive, she's crushing the glass. But she's absolutely been improved on the offensive end in unrivaled. But why I also think the Rose have a really great chance. Their entire team is trending upwards. Role players like Brittany Sykes and Lexi Hull play with such motor. They play so hard, especially on the defensive end. The Rows are a great defensive team and their defense can get them out in offense for fast break opportunities. They're a low scoring team, so, you know, they want to beat the defense down the court and get some easier shots. So I feel like that's the case for the Rose. The Laces. I've been calling the most dangerous team in Unrivaled because they're now healthy on time and they just got a bunch of veteran dogs who can score the ball and defend the ball. And one of the reasons they've been so hot to finish the season and have gotten into playoffs is because Jackie Young is healthy and playing at a really high level. Let's take a look at some of Jackie Young's highlights. You know, first of all, Jackie gets to the rim. She is so strong. She has a real passion for the weight room. And that devotion translates to the court. She's very deliberate and methodical out there on the court. You know, like she's smooth, unrushed, she can really stroke the ball well from three. And then if you come flying out on her, she'll put the ball down, not get too deep, step into her. Her jump shot. She's got a great shooting touch, rarely off balance. You know, she's just comp confident and, and just one of the many scoring options on this team because there's Kayla McBride McBucketts, there's Tiffany Hayes. You know, Dolson could come in there and make impact and obviously Alyssa Thomas does a bit of everything. So look out for the laces. I mean, look out for the whole playoffs, man. The thing about the playoffs, it's one game. It's one game. This ain't a three game or five game series. You gotta win two games to get to the chip. So these are some of the top players in the world. Any one of these teams can win two games and win a chip.
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Jordan Canada
Not gonna lie. While you're talking about Jackie, I had to do a little Google search on how old she is because she's playing like a vet. But then she has the young look to her and honestly, it's the perfect date. She's 27.
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Logan Hackett
Wow. Maybe she's on a vitamin regimen too.
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Jordan Canada
Maybe I might actually have to DM.
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Kelly O'Hara
Her and be like, hey, you have.
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Jordan Canada
The D3K2 coming up. Ross sits down with WNBA and unrivaled guard Jordan Canada.
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Kelly O'Hara
I'm very excited for that one.
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Jordan Canada
So we'll be right back.
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Host
Hey, what's up? Good follow. We are coming to you from Miami at the unrivaled campus. As you know, I'm your girl, Raz Golden Woode. And today we have a delightful guest. I'm gonna do some accolades because she's a two time WNBA champion. She will be seen with the Atlanta Dream and here at Unrivaled, she's part of team Vinyl. Don't play with her, she will lock you up. This is a two time all first team defensive selection. Two time steals leader in the WNBA. When she was at UCLA, she was the Pac12 defensive player of the year.
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Logan Hackett
You don't play about defense.
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Roz Golden
I don't play about Dee. I get Down.
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Host
Jordan Canada joins the show. What's up, Jordan?
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Roz Golden
What's up? Thank you for having me.
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Host
I'm so happy to have you.
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Roz Golden
Thank you.
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Host
You've been having aura, girl.
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Roz Golden
I have.
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Logan Hackett
You've been hooping.
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Roz Golden
Thank you. I'm trying.
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Host
You've really been finishing unrivaled strong here. And, you know, we've met before and spoken. Coach Teresa Weatherspoon said she told you as you go, team Vinyl will go. Like, how much do you feel like your game has expanded and grown here at Unrivaled?
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Roz Golden
I think it's just given me the opportunity to just keep my confidence. To be honest, playing with some such talented women and the level of competitiveness every game, it just makes you want to be better. It makes you want to go hard. And so just having that opportunity to be here, it's been really great for my game. Being able to work on things that, you know, I will be working in on the off season, but seeing it in live play and like I said, just the confidence of just keeping that up and going into the W season, it's just been really a great opportunity for me.
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Host
Yeah. What is it that over the course of your career has allowed your confidence to be shaken and even your joy?
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Roz Golden
I think it's just the experience of being in the pros, to be honest with you. Coming from ucla, where I was playing, starting all four years, and then having to go into a talented Seattle team and playing behind one of the best, if not the best point guards in the league, and having to learn and then trying to figure out, okay, where do I fit in with this group? What are my strengths, what are my weaknesses, or what is it that I can do to bring to the team. And that was something that I battled with for, you know, the course of my years in Seattle, just trying to figure out how I can navigate that. So that was just pretty tough. And then, like I said, that kind of shifted my confidence just a tad bit. And it wasn't anything that Seattle did. I think that was just me personally trying to figure out where I. Where I fit in and how I can grow and get better. And honestly, like, you know, it has helped me today because if I didn't have that experience of trying to learn and grow in a different way, then I wouldn't have, you know, wouldn't be the player that I am today. Being able to come off the bench and be okay with that and bring that energy and then also be a starter and then bring that same energy and that same confidence, that's something that I didn't have until I got to the pros. I was always starting, so I always had that, you know, energy from the jump. And it's different when you're coming off the bench and you're playing around such talented players and your teammates, you're trying to figure out, okay, well, I might not be a scorer like I was in college, but how else can I affect the game? And that was something that I was learning. So it was just a lot of ups and downs. But I'm grateful for those moments because it's brought me here. And now I feel like I'm in a position where I am now a vet, and I have that experience of what it's like coming off the bench so I can talk to players like Haley and then, you know, also setting a tone and setting example of being a starter. So I'm very grateful for those times.
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Host
Well, just to piggyback the conversation around Seattle, I mean, you had the opportunity to play behind and learn from Sue Bird. What would you say were the most important things that you still think about to this day that you got from Sue Bird?
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Roz Golden
How to be a pro, to be honest, like, coming into the gym, she's there early, getting her shots up. Even after practice, she's getting her shots up. She's taking care of her body. She's doing the things that she needed to do to make sure that she's ready for a game. And I always remember, like, my first couple of practices my rookie year, she came up to me and she was basically like, don't try to be like me. Like, be you. Be yourself. There's a reason why you're here. And that's something that always stuck to me. Like, don't try to go outside myself. Just try to be who I am. And that, like I said, that has stuck with me. And just watching her day in and day out, how she communicates with the team, how she. She talks, but what she says, like, you're. You really listen to what she's saying, and her brain is just, like, her IQ is just out the window, just seeing some of the things that she says, like in timeouts, like, she knows what's gonna happen before it happens. And so just learning those little nuances of how I can add that to my game but be different in a different way. So I've learned so many things from sue, so I'm very grateful for that.
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Host
Yeah, I mean, you have an opportunity.
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Logan Hackett
To see that you don't gotta be.
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Host
The loudest, but what you say has to Be powerful and meaningful. You have the opportunity here at Unrivaled to learn from another great. And Teresa Weatherspoon as your coach, how is Spoon helping you?
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Roz Golden
Spoon has helped me tremendously. I have never had a coach just speak so much life into you day in and day out, no matter the situation, no matter if we're winning, losing just the energy that she brings, it makes me, like, want to go. Like, we don't even in a practice, she could be talking in the huddle, and it just makes you want to play. It just makes you want to go hard. And those are the type of coaches that you want to run through a wall for. And she does it with every single one of us. And to be honest, I know she. If she does it with us, I know she's done it with all her players. And like I said, just the life that she breathes into you, the confidence and the encouragement that she's constantly giving you, is something that I'm truly grateful for and that I love that I have in this moment and in unrivaled, because it has helped me. In the beginning, I was still trying to get a feel for the three on three. And then having her as my coach this whole time is just, like I said, has breathed life into me, has breathed life into my game, has made me confident, and hopefully we could continue to keep building that relationship going into the W season.
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Host
So you feel that you have your confidence, you have your joy.
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Roz Golden
I do have my joy, yes. I once I got my joy back in LA and I haven't lost it. So I'm very grateful, very thankful for that because, you know, that can come and go, especially in this type of. In this field of basketball. You know, one minute people hate you, the next that they love you. But, you know, the one thing that they can't take away from you is joy. So I'm glad that I got that back, and I'm just trying to keep it, keep it rolling, girl.
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Host
I'm here to tell you that's in life.
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Roz Golden
Yes.
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Logan Hackett
You gotta fight for the joy.
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Host
Like, this is life.
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Roz Golden
Exactly.
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Host
What have. What is your voice? What is your voice?
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Roz Golden
My voice? I mean, in terms of basketball, I'm very quiet, you know, but when I say stuff like I feel that, you know, my teammates listen, I know what I'm talking about. I'm not a rowdy, loud person. I feel like I don't need to get your attention by being loud. But when I speak, I'm very intentional about the things that I say, and I feel like my Players, my teammates listen. And so that's something that you want. You don't have to be the loudest to get your point across, as long as you stand on what you say and you mean what you say and how you say it. I think I'm really good at being able to talk to certain players and knowing how to talk to them. I think that's really important, especially as a pg. Like, you can't talk to everybody the same. Everybody responds differently to different tones and to different words. So I just try to be mindful of who I'm speaking to and how I can get my message across without, you know, having an attitude or getting loud. I mean, that's not me in general. I'm very reserved. I'm very laid back. So I just try to be intentional with my words.
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Host
Yeah, I think it's a really important talking point. Not even just for sports, just about leadership in general. We live in a society where being an extrovert or being the loudest is often like, put on a pedestal. And I think there are many ways to lead. I think that's an important message for a lot of people at home listening for workspaces. I mean, you know, that you can be an effective, powerful leader and also do it, you know, in your own way and style. So I. That really resonated. Thank you. It's funny because we're talking about voice.
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Logan Hackett
And you have this incredible voice off the court, you know, like, you have.
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Host
You have a voice. Cause you said a voice in basketball. In my head, I was like, well, also in music, you're a wonderful singer.
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Roz Golden
Thank you.
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Host
Well, what is your voice as a singer then?
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Roz Golden
I'm still. Now that is something I'm still trying to figure out. I have recently been. I've always been into music, but I think recently I've been more in tune with music as wanting to be an artist. Really, in the beginning, I was kind of contemplating. I'm like, maybe I just like to sing for fun. Like, this is just something that I like to do, but I don't know if I want to pursue it. And then recently, maybe, like in the last year or so, I've really been like, you know what? I think I do want to actually do music and be an artist and learn what it takes to write a song or be in a studio, what it takes to make a beat, and the ins and outs of the industry. So that's something that I have been navigating in the last year. And then recently, a couple, I guess, like this last week. I've gotten a chance to get into the studio, gotten a chance to make a song, two songs, and lay down the track. And I didn't realize how hard it was. Like, it really was hard. My first time going in there, I didn't have anything. Like, I just wanted to go in and see, start from scratch. So had a beat and then was just thinking about what I want to write about, what I want to talk about. And it was hard. And it took me five hours just to make a hook and a verse. Wow. And I didn't. I'm like, wow, this is a lot of work. Like, is this something that I want to do? But I enjoyed it. And so the next time around, I made sure I was prepared. I'm like, maybe I should do this differently. So I had a beat, and then I was listening to it over and over again. Got the lyrics, got the track, got the melody down, and then I went in there and I was like, okay, this is what I want to do. And I was a little bit more prepared. So I'm still trying to navigate, like, what works for me, what doesn't work for me, but I've had a blast doing it. I think it's been a really great opportunity for me to step outside my comfort zone and actually go for it and do it. Because I've always said I wanted to make a song, I wanted to do it, but I was kind of hesitant. And now I'm just trying to step into being more confident in that space and just being like, you know what? Just do it. And so I did it, and I got two songs done. So I'm trying to navigate what the next steps are with that. If I want to do a visual, if I want to just drop it. So I'm happy that I got a chance to do it.
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Host
So what are you talking about? Like, are you a lover? Are you a crooner? Are you.
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Logan Hackett
Is it gospel?
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Jordan Canada
A crooner?
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Roz Golden
What's a crooner? I've never heard.
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Logan Hackett
I've never heard crooner. A crooner?
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Jordan Canada
Oh, no.
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Logan Hackett
Is that too old? A crooner is like somebody who's like, I don't know, crooning.
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Roz Golden
I gotta look crooning up. I don't know what crooning is, but that's. I mean, that's a term now. I know.
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Host
Yes.
- [27:52]
Roz Golden
I gotta look it up to see what that is.
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Host
Okay.
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Logan Hackett
Like, are you.
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Host
Well, then, what kind of singer are you? Are you singing the blues? Are you somebody who's emo?
- [28:00]
Roz Golden
So I am a R and B girl at heart. I love R and B. I'm a lover girl. So my first song is. I guess it's not a lover girl song, but it's doing, I guess you would say, a situationship that. Which everybody can probably relate to at some point in their lives being in a situationship. So that's kind of like the first song that I made. Now the second song that I did, which I love, I love it better than the first one. It's more of a side that people don't see of me. So it's more of a. I don't want to say sensual, but it's more of like a flirty type of song. I don't want to say sexy because it's not giving that. But it's giving that. That flirty energy. Like, you're in a club, you see somebody that you like, and you got, you know, is that. That tension and that energy that you feel? So that's something that is completely different than my personality. Like I said, I'm very shy. I'm very laid back and reserved. But those are the two songs that I've made so far. But I absolutely love this song that I made. So we'll see. Moving forward, what other songs that I'll create. But I definitely like the two songs that I have made so far.
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Host
In some ways, music can take, you know, push you outside your box.
- [29:19]
Roz Golden
Very, very true. Yeah, I. I love talk. What's crazy, I love toxic music.
- [29:25]
Logan Hackett
Not you being a toxic girly, but I really.
- [29:28]
Roz Golden
I'm a lover girl. Like, in. In the studio, I say I want to make like, like, love songs because I'm like, I said I'm a lover girl, but outside of the studio and just in general as a person, like, I'm such a lover girl. But the music that I listen to is, like, very toxic. Like, I love toxic music. So I'm like, is that weird for me to be a lover girl but love toxic music? So I don't know. I might wind up making toxic music, but I don't know what direction I'm gonna go in. I kind of just want to dive into different, like, avenues with topics of songs and see what fits for me. But I don't know yet. That's something I'm still trying to navigate.
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Host
Well, we gonna ask the fans if they want to hear some lover girl music or some toxic music.
- [30:13]
Roz Golden
Say toxic music. Knowing them, everybody loves toxic music.
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Host
One thing that you have done, which I'm always impressed with, is like, you can go on a Dime, can we hear a little snippet from you of one of your songs?
- [30:25]
Roz Golden
You want to hear a snippet?
- [30:26]
Logan Hackett
Okay.
- [30:27]
Host
Are you able to sing it or are you going to play it for.
- [30:29]
Roz Golden
Nah, I'm going to play it for you guys. You know, so this is the song that I absolutely love. It's called. I'm still trying to figure out if I want to call it Come see or see what's going down. So this is the song that is more out of my comfort zone that people wouldn't necessarily see me singing or hear me singing. Okay, here it is. It's a little snippet I'm not gonna give you. I'm not gonna give you everything, but I'm gonna give you a little bit.
- [31:06]
Kelly O'Hara
You.
- [31:07]
Host
Sorry.
- [31:07]
Roz Golden
Got a little.
- [31:09]
Host
Is that you talking?
- [31:10]
Roz Golden
No, that's not me.
- [31:11]
Host
Okay.
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Background Voice
I see you over there looking fun as hell. Baby, come bring it to me don't care about who you brought with your cuz tonight I know you leaving here with me if you think I'll be leaving lonely? You must know I'm not the type of woman that'll let you go with these so, baby, come show me something why you even trying to front? The way you're acting got me feeling like I can give you all that you want Tell me what you need, that's what I'm gonna be. Are you the type to trust a pretty girl or are you gonna come season?
- [31:56]
Roz Golden
All right.
- [31:56]
Logan Hackett
Oh, you was talking your mess. You was talking.
- [32:00]
Roz Golden
You was letting him know.
- [32:02]
Host
Little sn.
- [32:03]
Roz Golden
Yeah.
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Logan Hackett
You sound incredible.
- [32:05]
Roz Golden
Thank you.
- [32:05]
Logan Hackett
Thank you.
- [32:06]
Roz Golden
It's weird when I hear myself for the first time on the track, I'm like, ah, I don't sound good. But all the responses that I've gotten so far, I've been like, yo, this track is fire. I like it. You need to drop it. So I'm glad I'm getting good responses because that was something that. Because I'm not experiencing this space. Of course I have my doubts, and I'm like, I don't know if people are gonna like this, but I'm glad that I actually did it. And, you know, I got some people to listen to it, and they love it. So hopefully the people that are listening to this and watching this, hopefully you guys like it too.
- [32:36]
Host
I just want the background story of this picture that went viral.
- [32:41]
Roz Golden
Oh, gosh.
- [32:41]
Host
This is at the very end of January, right? You know, Brittney Griner just made her announcement. Y'all are on a boat fishing. And she said, I'm coming To Atlanta. And don't worry the fans at home. We will show you this picture I'm showing.
- [32:54]
Logan Hackett
I'm showing my girl on the picture of this.
- [32:56]
Interviewee
Ah, yes, they will see it.
- [32:58]
Roz Golden
Yes, yes, yes. So actually, how did this come together? So, actually, I don't know if you want to show them the pic.
- [33:04]
Host
They're gonna see it on the show.
- [33:05]
Jordan Canada
We'll show it to y'all.
- [33:06]
Roz Golden
Okay. So actually, before free agency started, BG had meeting with Atlanta. We were the first meet. Her first meeting. And so Leash and Ryan actually went shopping, and they saw these 42 jerseys, and they're like, we gotta get this for BG. We gotta get this for BG. So I was like, okay. So they bought one for me. And then we were like, we're all gonna wear it going into the free agency meeting when we. When we see her. So we walked in, we had the bg, we had the shirts, and she was shocked. Of course. She liked it. So when she officially said that she was gonna sign with Atlanta that week, when she played on Friday, I believe, because we didn't play till Saturday, we were like, okay, we're all gonna walk the Sephora tunnel with our 42 jerseys. And she didn't know that we were gonna do that either. So when she actually showed up, she saw, I guess somebody told her that we were gonna do it. So we were walking the tunnel, and she happened to come and see it, and she was like, wow. So then she stepped in and she took a picture. I thought it was pretty cool.
- [34:10]
Logan Hackett
It was cool. Cause y'all are not even on the same team. That's the Owls.
- [34:13]
Host
That's the Phantom.
- [34:14]
Roz Golden
That's the Vinyl, y'all over the place. But that's just the love that we have, like, as at Atlanta, dream. Like, we're very family oriented, and we're gonna treat you like family. So that's the vibe we wanted to give BG to let her know, like, you're stepping into an organization and step into a team that, you know is going to take care of you, and we're going to treat you like family. You're one of us. So we just wanted to make that clear to her. So we were very happy that we got to do that. And it was meant to be. I mean, what are the chances that you see a 42 jersey just in a store randomly? Especially out of all numbers, you know? So I'm glad that we were able to do that.
- [34:48]
Host
It's a fire pic. It's an iconic pick.
- [34:51]
Roz Golden
Thank you.
- [34:52]
Host
Like, name that Band. What is the name of that band?
- [34:54]
Roz Golden
Name that band. Oh my God. That's put me on the spot. I don't know the. I'm gonna call it the Dreamies. I don't know.
- [35:02]
Kelly O'Hara
Oh, the Dreamies.
- [35:03]
Logan Hackett
You heard it here first.
- [35:05]
Host
We got all sorts of exclusives in this interview with you, girl. I could talk with you another 30 minutes if you let me. It was so wonderful.
- [35:12]
Logan Hackett
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
- [35:14]
Host
It was so great to have you on.
- [35:15]
Roz Golden
Thank you so much for having me.
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- [36:07]
Logan Hackett
Welcome back to Goodfellow. I'm Roz, she's Logan and we just heard from Jordan Canada. That was such a great sit down interview with Jordan who is just so dynamic and so cool to get her to pull a curtain back on her just music career and process. I'm glad she's putting music out. You go girl. Now Logan, let's transition because you were at the Challenge cup last week. So let's transition to some soccer. The Washington Spirit and Orlando Pride went head to head and this was a rematch of the 2024 championship game and this time it was the Spirit who came out on top on over the Orlando Pride and they did this in penalties. These were the top two teams season. So Logan, you were there based on what you saw Friday. Will that be the case again?
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Jordan Canada
Short answer is yes, long answer is yes, but some more behind it. Let me explain. I think these teams are the top. The only other team that I see coming in is Kansas City possibly. I think it'll definitely be a repeat of last season. With that said, towards the end of last season Washington went down with a whole bunch of injuries and for the most part this year they're healthy. They're still missing a few key players here and there. We don't have full health and Trinity yet. Croy is still out but the play that we saw from them, Chef's Kiss, absolutely amazing. And I do want to take a moment to also shout out the internationals because that's kind of what got Orlando through their season. Last year you had Barbara Banda and Marta leading the way and they have A new Zambian player. Her name is Prisca, Prisca Chalupa. And I think she's going to be an absolute star. Watching her play was really special. She didn't score anything, but I was.
- [37:51]
Kelly O'Hara
Like, oh, my God.
- [37:51]
Jordan Canada
Go, Prisca. And then on the other side, you had Washington with their player, Rebecca Bernal, and the second she came in, the game completely changed for them and they pretty much secured the win. So other teams do have international pickups, but I don't think they're as strong, and I don't think that they can overcome both Washington and Orlando this year. But that said, I don't think Orlando can go undefeated. Technically, they're not undefeated because they just lost. But I do think that they'll be at the top once again.
- [38:23]
Logan Hackett
You know, one day you're at the top of the league, the next day someone's right on your tail.
- [38:27]
Jordan Canada
But with that, actually, a few weeks ago, I sat down with Kelly O'Hara to preview the season and talk about what teams will be top contenders and who's looking good. So take a look. We are here with Kelly O'Hara to.
- [38:38]
Kelly O'Hara
Answer some quick questions that I am very curious about. So, starting off at the end of your cell, who do you think is the new front runner this season?
- [38:48]
Interviewee
I think Gotham is going to be a front runner. I think that Orlando will also be a front runner.
- [38:52]
Kelly O'Hara
Yeah, I think Orlando, they. I'm not sure how much movement they had, but it didn't seem like a lot whatsoever compared to other teams.
- [38:59]
Jordan Canada
And they were.
- [39:00]
Kelly O'Hara
They were insane. Last year.
- [39:02]
Jordan Canada
What was it like to, like, play.
- [39:04]
Kelly O'Hara
Against them or just to know that, like, you had a game coming up against them, especially when it kind of was getting down to the wire.
- [39:11]
Interviewee
I mean, it presented an opportunity to ruin their season. Every time you play that, you know, with them almost going undefeated and that was fun that we actually played them for the game that, like, was my retirement game and we won, which. That, like, never happens when you're doing a retirement game, but I think it only happens when the person who's, like, retiring isn't playing. But no, they. They were a very good team last year. And the reason I think that they will continue to be as good as they were, if not better, is because one, like you said, they didn't lose a lot of people. And this offseason. And on top of that, I think they had a really strong team culture. And you could see that even from the outside, it was very. Notice that it's clear that they're a super close team. And they're all working from the same page. And, yeah, I think that that pays dividends regardless of the amount of talent you have on the team. And they also have that with the.
- [40:05]
Kelly O'Hara
Players leaving and coming in, like, where do you see them going? Do you think it's a championship run, or are they going to be kind of, like, up there, real close, could make a run, but, like, it's not for sure.
- [40:15]
Jordan Canada
Yeah, I think.
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Interviewee
I think they're going to be contenders. I think that they're going to be top four. I would say top three. Last season, all things considered, it wasn't as we wanted to win again. Like, that's the reality. You know, we wanted to win a shield, and we wanted to win a championship, and that didn't happen. We didn't make it back to the championship. But that's the reality of professional sports and especially in this league. You got to lay the foundation for our culture and for a certain way of playing and a certain way of stepping onto the field every time. And I think they're. I think they're doing that at Gotham. I just think it takes time.
- [40:55]
Kelly O'Hara
Yeah, I had y'all, and I was doing power rankings for the NWSL last year, and y'all were constantly in, like, the top four or five. A lot of the times it did not move. But it sounds like you're saying they're going to be like that again. So is there anything specific that, like, bands should look out for in 2025, if you can share.
- [41:16]
Interviewee
In terms of Gotham, I mean, I would like to see. I think Gotham has the reputation of being a really hard team to play against because we're like, the team was so good and has been so good in the past two years. Defensively, I would really like to see a little bit more output on offense. I'd love a couple more goals every game. You know, everybody loves a goal, even a defender, when it's not against me. So I would like to see their offense get a little bit just more consistent.
- [41:49]
Kelly O'Hara
That was my one thing last year. Like, it was like one nil or like two, one. And I just kept on saying, I.
- [41:54]
Jordan Canada
Want them to score. Please get the goal differential up.
- [41:57]
Logan Hackett
Like, right.
- [41:57]
Kelly O'Hara
Defense is so good, but, like, even just a few more goals a game.
- [42:01]
Jordan Canada
And it did get there towards the.
- [42:02]
Kelly O'Hara
End of the season, I will say. But, yeah, for that first little bit.
- [42:06]
Jordan Canada
I was like, oh, my gosh, please.
- [42:07]
Kelly O'Hara
Like, you have the talent.
- [42:09]
Jordan Canada
Just score.
- [42:10]
Interviewee
No, I. Logan, I completely agree. It was like, we are. We will win, but it will be only 1 0, you know, and then like you said later into the season, we did start to click. You did see games that had a bigger goal differential, that sort of thing. So I'm hoping for more of those. And I think that builds confidence and just creates a strong culture in the team because you. You feel like, okay, I'm not going to be, like, on pins and needle every game. We need one goal. Like, I are going to come.
- [42:36]
Kelly O'Hara
Yeah. And you've been in the league for a while, and even nationally, you've been able to see everything evolve and see the athletes then and the athletes now with the new CBA agreement. What has it been like to actually watch that and kind of see everything start to work out?
- [42:53]
Jordan Canada
It's.
- [42:54]
Interviewee
It feels nice, you know, like, we. It's crazy to think about where the league was when I started. I mean, NBC wasn't even around. I. When I left college, I got drafted into the wps. So I, during my playing career, watched a league fold and then was part of starting a new league. And so it's. I've seen it literally from day one turn into what it is now, and even now, it's made huge strides, and I'm really proud of that, but it has so much farther to go. But I do think with, you know, our fight for equal pay on the national team, I think that really just propelled the league forward and I think propelled women's football forward and women's sports in general. But again, it's. We're only at the beginning, in my opinion.
- [43:48]
Jordan Canada
But before you go, you executive produced.
- [43:50]
Kelly O'Hara
A film called Ripe last year, and I just want to know, is there any new movies you're producing in your future?
- [43:57]
Interviewee
We are continuing on to create a feature based on off of the Short so that we're in the process of financing for that. And so that'll be the film that we work on this year. And we. We haven't decided if we're going to take on any more projects, but we really enjoyed working on Ripe, and we're really excited about the future and the. The future of that film. So it's been really fun.
- [44:19]
Roz Golden
It's, it's. It's.
- [44:20]
Interviewee
I'm a rookie in the space, and it's been fun to learn and just be able to create something that you would want to see in the world.
- [44:27]
Kelly O'Hara
Well, Kelly, thank you so much for joining us.
- [44:29]
Jordan Canada
Really appreciate it.
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Interviewee
Yeah, thanks for having me.
- [44:53]
Logan Hackett
Welcome back to Goodfallow. Big thank you to soccer legend Kelly O'Hara for joining us and joining Logan for that great NWSL preview. Now let's transition because this segment is presented by DraftKings. Unrivaled playoffs are beginning on Sunday and I've got my eyes on that two versus three seed matchup between the Rose and the Laces. On the Rose, if you're looking for someone to pack the stat sheet, it's Angel Rock Reese who's leading unrivaled and rebounding. Naturally, we expected her to crush the glass, but she's improved so much on the offensive end, finishing, getting in deep and scoring the Rock. She's on constant double double watch for the Laces. A player who can also fill the stat sheet is Alyssa Thomas. Now, she may not always be your leading scorer, but she's on constant triple double watch. As a player who rebounds, creates for others with assists, she can get you a bucket or a block. And she's definitely the tone setter for the toughness and physicality of the Laces. I have the Rose winning and advancing to the finals. And perhaps we might see them against the overall number one seed Lunar Owls if they advance over Team Vinyl. Either way, I have a feeling that these unrivaled playoffs are going to finish with a big this segment is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours, Logan. We love doing that.
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Jordan Canada
I love it. It's such like a signature move. But before we go, I want to hit the story, talk about it. I've been seeing it everywhere. Post went viral stating quote WNBA star Andrew Reese believes WNBA players should be getting paid like NBA players. Big sad once again, that's not what she said that.
- [46:37]
Logan Hackett
And also look at this tweet. It's from Santel. Look at the E at the end since hell is a troll meme site, man. But the problem is people are going to go and run with that because it's Angel Reese. Like they want to see something that's inflammatory and she never said that. Zachary.
- [46:53]
Jordan Canada
Exactly. And angel actually made her own saying, I love how y'all have selective hearing. I said I'm hearing if they don't give us what we want, we're sitting out. And that's the truth. I never said anything about the NBA. Of course. Like, oh, I hate this whole conversation. I hate that we're always having this. But on the Unapologetically angel podcast, it was her and Dijonay sitting down and they were discussing the salaries and how the upcoming rookie class might actually make more than them due to the new CBA agreement that might get signed. So, I mean, we could possibly see a protest. I'M not too sure. But what do you think about just the act of WNBA players potentially sitting out to fight for more pay for what they deserve?
- [47:33]
Logan Hackett
Well, you know, this is all part of CBA negotiations and it's right on time. I believe the WNBA players provided a proof of concept last season and now in unrivaled again and with Athletes Unlimited attention, ratings, attendance, it's all up and the product is great. There's a new crop of identifiable young stars, new rivalries, storylines that people are following, the players are captivating and there's an appetite for investment. You know, we're seeing new WNBA teams, we're seeing alternative leagues like Athletes Unlimited, like Unrivaled, who are having banner seasons. There's an influx of cash coming from the new TV rights deal brand deals are flowing and there's just like investors with cash fist in hand, you know, trying to find ways to invest in women's basketball now. So I think when we discuss the conversation in a reasonable, right minded way, it's important to note that WNBA players are looking to renegotiate the revenue split and that they aren't asking for NBA salaries, but they are looking to the NBA's model where in their revenue split it's about 50, 50. And perhaps in like years past, Logan WNBA team owners may have been carrying the burden of the load, but now I think that scale has slid and the players are pushing a lot of the momentum that we're seeing. They're behind a lot of that, they're driving it and they want to make sure that they have an opportunity to not be left out of the momentum and the monetization of that, that of the energy that they're creating. So I think right now is a great time for them to be discussing like revenue split and equity in the league. And they have every right to.
- [49:20]
Jordan Canada
It reminds me of when the U.S. women's National Team was fighting for equal pay and they had to do everything themselves. Like they had to bring in the numbers they had to fight for for many, many years and they finally achieved it. And now, I mean they are the most thriving nation in soccer and they are, are truly getting paid what they deserve. There is still work to be done in some places, but they really had to spearhead that movement, movement because the league or the federation wasn't going to do that. Do it for them.
- [49:47]
Logan Hackett
You have to step up like, and sometimes you got to shake the table. It's not just hoping and asking for a seat at it, but you know, you've got to fight for this. And these negotiations and talks aren't easy, but they're so necessary, and I think it's right on time.
- [50:00]
Jordan Canada
Absolutely.
- [50:02]
Logan Hackett
You know, speaking of time, that's it for our episode today. Time flies. I know, I know. But we want to thank all of you for watching. We want to thank Jordan Canada, Kelli o'hara for joining our show today. We had two greats of basketball and soccer here. Make sure y'all subscribe. If you made it all the way to the end of this show, better be subscribing and then also follow us on socials. Oodfollow. We appreciate you. We are building this thing together There. Good follow. We're presented by draftkings. Logan. Any final thoughts?
- [50:35]
Jordan Canada
Love you.
- [50:37]
Logan Hackett
Yeah, we do love you. Okay, bye, y'all. We'll see you next week.
- [50:40]
Jordan Canada
Bye, guys in Miami. Welcome to Miami.