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Angel McCoughtry
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Raz Gold Onwude
Hey, what's up everyone? Welcome to Goodfellow show presented by DraftKings. It's your girl Raz Gold onwede and I am here with five time WNBA ultra, our two time Olympic gold medalist, my girl Angel McCartrey.
Angel McCoughtry
What's up?
Raz Gold Onwude
What's up girl? We've got a great show today for y' all here. Here's the menu. Let me take you through some of these topics. Project B There's a new league Angel Project B signed Neca Ogumike. How will this new league rival the WNBA and other leagues? What does Project B mean for CBA Negotiations and then let's take it to unrivaled. They reveal their club rosters and we make some all too early predict it.
Angel McCoughtry
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Raz Gold Onwude
We have a new overseas league called Project B. Here's a little bit of details and tea about it. Season play wouldn't directly overlap with the wnba. Timing wise it more competes with your athletes unlimited your unrivaled and certainly other international play like FIBA, Euroleague, Eurocup, etc. Um, it's slated to start next year so we're talking November 2026 to April 2027. So this is about a six month league. Six month league and play season and they're going to play across Asia, Europe and Africa.
Angel McCoughtry
Wow.
Raz Gold Onwude
Um, another note about Project B. They're ready to show the ladies the money. So front office sports reported salaries starting at $2 million annually.
Angel McCoughtry
Oh my God.
Raz Gold Onwude
Multi year deals that are gon the double digit millies. You know what I'm saying? I'm tens. Maybe them twenties and for superstars, you know, the money could be even bigger and they're going to get equity on top of all of that. Wow. Their first signing, public announcement reveal of the league starts with NECA Aumike.
Angel McCoughtry
Oh yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
Who is literally the president of the Players Association. So it's quite a statement that, quite a splash to announce their arrival. What is your just immediate reaction to Project B and the way they've announced themselves and especially the first signing in neca?
Angel McCoughtry
Well, I think it's the perfect first sign in NECA is due for something like this. We already said we've kind of taken her for granted, so this is great. I just have questions on like, how does this work with her, you know, being the president in the brain, you know, those are the questions I have. But I think we, we dive into like how this affects the wnba, man. Like this is for real. The girls about to get paid.
Raz Gold Onwude
Right. I mean, well, first of all, they came in there and got a big splashy, big name, a great leader for the league.
Angel McCoughtry
Yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
It's surprising because it is the president of the players association who is at the forefront of a, you know, historical CBA renegotiation. But I just want you to put your player hat on right now, okay. I told you you were going to get unprecedented millions of dollars equity in the league. All of these things take it back to, to prime years angel, you know, two time scoring champion, WNBA finals participant, multiple times, five time all star, two time Olympic gold medalist. They'd probably be knocking on your door. Right. So would you join Project B?
Angel McCoughtry
I would. I mean, I was making during that time probably what the max was.90,000.
Raz Gold Onwude
I mean even just say like you haven't been playing the league for what, one, two years or something? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Let's just even talk now. You're a.
Angel McCoughtry
Okay, I'm a current player.
Raz Gold Onwude
These players are making max to now.
Angel McCoughtry
Making 250, then 90 and let's see, 5 million. 2 million. I mean guys, you do the math. Who's going to turn that down? And then I have a chance to have equity in this league and this league could possibly grow. I mean, Project B, AKA Project Baby, let's get it.
Raz Gold Onwude
Yeah, you know, like common sense.
Angel McCoughtry
It feels like it is common sense. I mean, honestly, I see a lot of girls. If you're going to get paid 5 million, why put your body through playing in the WBA? Is that which. That's what I see coming.
Raz Gold Onwude
Well, here's the other, another aspect of this too. I thought the Whole trend and point of some of these new leagues popping up was that the trend was going. Players wanted to stay home in the US and so that's an advantage that like unrivaled and Athletes Unlimited provides you. When you're not playing WNBA season, you can still stay in America and play here. But what Project B is saying, not only will you be in Europe, you're going to be in Asia, you're going to be in Latin America, but at that 2 million price point, you might hop on that plane. You know what I'm saying?
Angel McCoughtry
Let me tell you guys something. This whole stay in the US Thing is a myth. They have told you guys that. I've had some of my best experiences overseas. Istanbul, Turkey. I have tons of friends over there. I've ate great food. One of the parties are great. You party till seven in the morning on an off day and then you go eat breakfast, man. Like, that's the life. I don't know why we thought like, yeah, nobody wants to go play in a place where it's miserable. But to play in like Europe, Asia, possibly Africa, hey, people travel anyway. So I'm being able to play basketball, travel and get paid. That is the life.
Raz Gold Onwude
Yeah, that's a really cool perspective and point that we're not hearing a lot of now. We're hearing a lot of kind of villainization of the overseas life. There were plenty of people who thrived as a player over there, maybe got better attention, treatment, life over there than even in the Americas. But to each their own. Here's the thing, though, like you're playing six months of Project B basketball. Technically you could go and play the WNBA in the summer according to the schedules right now. But with the WNBA's prioritization rules, which is also up for discussion in the CBA negotiation, what you might find is if you're making five Millie to play Project B, you might just say, I'm, I'm cool off the wnba. I'm not going to do it. And so all of a sudden you might skip the WNBA season altogether. Thoughts?
Angel McCoughtry
I mean, to make millions and then go enjoy my summer on a yacht in Ibiza. I mean, hey, but I do see this language. This is the language, but this is what I do see. I do see the WNBA could possibly make some stipulations from this, just like they did with us playing overseas. Girls were getting fined if they were still overseas playing and missing training camp. And so I see something like that in the mist because it is giving some competition.
Raz Gold Onwude
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Raz Gold Onwude
Well, these are the prioritization rules, right? And so that's something that's very heavily contested right now in this CBA renegotiation. And there's pressure against unrivaled overseas. I mean, there have been players who have missed WNBA seasons to focus on their international play. Emma Misiman is is one, right? She was with a Belgian team playing international, now just came back to join the Liberty this season, right?
Angel McCoughtry
Absolutely.
Raz Gold Onwude
So that's just an example. So, like, players are asking why, you know, wondering if they can loosen up on some of these things. Here's my caveat to all of that, because it's really valuable to hear from you saying, there's a lot that would be appealing to me, and that is very honest conversation. My caveat would be this. All of these leagues are new athletes. Unlimited. Women's basketball actually is the longest standing, and they're heading into their fifth season of women's basketball play. This is during a time of unprecedented attention to women's basketball. The WNBA, they've been in the trenches for 30 years, for better or worse, through the lows and the highs of how public and society treated and deemed women's basketball. And I'd be wary of just jumping ship on that and not properly protecting the W as you pursue other options that may be more lucrative. Because what if those leagues collapse or fail or if they lose interest? Here's another thought. What if we dilute the talent pool? Mind you, if the WNBA players are the best players in the world, there's 156 of those. And so, you know, I mean, of course there's other players coming in, coming up the ranks, but I'm just trying to say, like, it's not like we're talking about. It's 156 of those. And there's a couple of huge stars that are directing a lot of attention. Star power. What if we make it harder to follow those players or to follow where to watch them or the competition or which leagues do we pay attention to? And yeah, at the top, like, some stars are going to get $5 million bags or $850,000 bags and this and that, but you might mess up the overall momentum and growth of the game and the audience that we're seeing right now. So, like, you got to make sure you protect that, too. I would just be wary of losing the momentum and jumping on new ships without protecting things that already exist. Is it okay for the WNBA to not be the premier women's basketball league? Or does it have to be in order for women's basketball as an ecosystem to continue to rise?
Angel McCoughtry
It doesn't have to be, but I think it should for as long as the W has been around, Right? But it's like to be in a marriage for 30 years and to not see a marriage grow. It's like a relationship. If your relationship is stagnant and not growing, where is it going to go? It's time for the WNBA to grow and go to another level for these women. And they're sick and tired. It's been sick and tired 20 years ago, but now we're at a new age where Women are not scared to speak out like we used to. It's time for the change and it's time for the dumbbe to say, hey, you know what? We do care about these women. Their brands do represent million dollar contracts and now we see that they're stepping out, making leagues of their own. Hey, let's start the Dubai league next. Dubai got the like it's that easy now Ross, let's start a league in Dubai.
Raz Gold Onwude
Like I think it's very clear that this is no longer the day of your gram, of your aunties, your granny's wnba where maybe it the WNBA players should be, you know, lucky that there is a league to play in. Like no, there's they have many options now and that's really clear as we take it to the impact on CBA negotiations. So literally again Project B signs Neca Aguma K. President of the players union. In fact the entire players union leadership group, the President, the VPs and all that, all of them got equity in different leagues. So whether that's Project B unrivaled or Athletes Unlimited, they all got different slices of ownership in that. And let's look at an excerpt from Front Office Sports what they said about the impact and an intentional move to exert pressure on labor negotiations. There was a similar feeling last year when union leaders Nafisa Collier and Brianna Stewart co founded Unrivaled. At the time, both players acknowledged the startup three on three league came at a perfect time as negotiations for a new CBA were just beginning. So to come back to the impact on CBA negotiations, how do you see the fact that all these players got ownership slices impacting the way they discuss things?
Angel McCoughtry
I would say like the girls now they want their bargaining power, you know, they want to have a say in how things are going. It seems like they felt that their voices or haven't been valued or heard on the WNBA side and now they have a chance to be in another league and have some ownership and equity and as a player they can vouch for other players for things to be better for young girls in the future. That's what it's looking like and it's making a statement to the wnba. And it's like what is the WNBA response going to be to all these statements of unrivaled coming and all these new leagues, Project B like what is your retaliation in a positive way? WNBA to all these new leagues coming? Because it's only going to be more and more if things don't change. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
I agree with the concept of this gives the players leverage.
Angel McCoughtry
The leverage.
Raz Gold Onwude
You know, I think it's certainly a good thing that in a negotiation when you have leverage, when you can position yourself to say I got another option, you know what I'm saying? And not even like none of these options say I won't play W. It just says we're putting pressure on you to get this right. When you heard about like NECA as the president of the association and her involvement in this, the knee jerk reaction that you could see is it feels like maybe there might be some conflicts of interest. Right. And certainly for, yeah, conflicts of interest not just for her, but for anybody who's over there with ownership of other leagues and you have equity in other leagues. What, what might be important to you might be different than players who have no equity in other leagues. Again. So I want to bring back numbers. It's 156 players in the WNBA this season in unrivaled 56 players, 40 players and athletes Unlimited. These big deals, the high numbers that are being reported on and in, in articles and stuff that's reserved for your top star players like so all of those players are going to, there's going to be a rising of that.
Angel McCoughtry
Right.
Raz Gold Onwude
My question is what happens to the middle class of the WNBA and how are they protected, included and advocated for? Um, you know, how do you, if, if the million dollar money is being thrown for the project B league, how does that affect unrivaled who positioned themselves as the, the league for all the stars and they had a 250,000, 300,000, whatever it is, salary for their players and then now, you know, and an athletes unlimited is a little bit different. 5 on 5 league. Like it, the top bags you're hearing is for the stars.
Angel McCoughtry
Yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
What do you think, Angel?
Angel McCoughtry
No, that's so good because I mean each league is obviously for the stars. You have these middle tier players who are not getting offered these million dollar bags. So I would say this is the opportunity for them to rise up because if all the stars go play in Project B, you need stars in W, you need names. This does give an opportunity for a middle tier girl to rise up in the wba, make a name for herself, but then you still gotta pay her too. So the W, at the end of the day you don't want this to be a revolving cycle of new names coming in and you're still not paying them. And now they got a name, now they wanna go to. It could just be a lot of conflict.
Raz Gold Onwude
So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out. One note we want to make before we head to break is that another aspect of the involvement here is the involvement of Saudi money in Project B. And there's been some distancing from Project B leaders and the labeling of this as a Saudi league. Instead, they prefer to say they have a Saudi event partner. Certainly we've seen Saudi interest and lucrative investment in sports before women's basketball, and there's been public pushback to that. There's been negative reception of their participation and more so their motivation for investing in these sports. Some people have called out sports washing, meaning to use sports as a distraction from human rights abuse happening in Saudi culture. So, look, there's a lot of distancing. There's a lot of back. We're going to continue to monitor information on this topic as it comes out and we learn more about Project B in time. But for now, I mean, one thing we, we know we're in favor of, I guess the girls get in the bag. Give them the bag.
Angel McCoughtry
Yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
We'll be right back. We're going to talk unrivaled coming up next. Hey, welcome back to goodfella show. Today's episode is presented by RAF Kings DraftKings. Last week, unrivaled, they revealed their team new club rosters. So exciting. All eyes was on that stream. And so that means it's time for our way too early predictions for unrivaled. But I want to use this moment to remind y' all that last year in our prediction show, I actually called the rose to win.
Angel McCoughtry
And.
Raz Gold Onwude
And I was right. So that was really cool. I also covered unrivaled last season in Miami. I was there as a reporter and analyst. All the things. I'll certainly be back in Miami this year to tap in with unrivaled. So let's, let's get into our picks. I don't know if I'm going to get it right this year, but for the team to win it all, I got my eyes on two teams. I'm gonna start with the team that everybody got excited about, Team Breeze. They're hella young. They're super talented, though, man. Like team Breeze in three years from now is about to be a monster. But let's see. Team breeze in 20, 26. I still think they're gonna be good because they got size shooters, rebounders, playmakers, shot blockers, players who can make the most out of the space that comes with three on three basketball. I did all that to say I'm not picking them to win though. I am. I just wanted to say that cover my back. But I got the laces and my thought is they might be the best defensive team. The laces have Jackie Young, Brittany Sykes, Alyssa Thomas, Jordan Canada. Come on defense plus plus Nas Hillman's Maddie SES like the energy of those two on on. Remember I said the Breeze were young. These are all veterans and a lot of them have experience in playing in this. They can score the ball, they can share the ball. I like I'm going laces.
Angel McCoughtry
You going laces?
Raz Gold Onwude
Yeah. What about you?
Angel McCoughtry
If this was five on five, you go with the laces. But this is three on three basketball. Yeah. And it's a little different. So I'm going to go with this breeze. Them young legs because when you playing three on three, you can't hide, baby. You can hide five on five you can get a break five on five. But them legs got to keep rolling. I'm going with the young fresh legs of team Breeze with Cameron Brigg and Rekia Jackson, Paige, Becca. And who can score quick three on three. You don't got time to be setting up five on five. All that stuff. It's quick basketball is score. Who can score the quickest. Yeah. Pain breeze, I believe. Yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
And it's also an interesting dynamic because it's full court three on three and there's all this space to work with that. There's nobody in help side or like extra crowding. Like it's. It's a diff. Like that bag how deep it is. You could really show that off. Unrivaled will be hosting their second one versus one tournament this year. Last year Nafisa Collier won that $200,000 extra pies pot. I'm actually curious what Nafisa's health status is given just how torn up her ankles were by the end of the WNBA season. So I'm not sure if she can repeat this year. So these were my thoughts on picking a one on one champion. I was the reporter for the one on one tournament so I was there for all of the games. I did the interviews with the players. I noticed that size big players.
Angel McCoughtry
There you go.
Raz Gold Onwude
Strength and also versatile bigs did really well in the one on one tournament. And so I also think having experience in the first edition of the one on one tournament is really going to help those players like because they now know what that is and what, what comes with it. So I could see, knowing that's the category I could see Satus Abali, Derick Hamby doing very well. And Aaliyah Edwards, she did. She shined in the one on one. Shockingly, maybe people weren't as familiar with how deep her bag was. Like, she had. She had the strength, the handle, the. The mobility, and I think a little chip on her shoulder, and she really shines. So I got some of those. I also want to shout out. Skylar Diggins was hilarious in the one on one tournament, and, like, is so competitive that it's almost hilarious. And I can't wait to see what strategy she pulls out. Who you got winning?
Angel McCoughtry
I don't know if I would call them versatile bigs, okay? They're big guards, okay? Us big guards are the tweeners, okay? When we play one on one, the little ones are not gonna win and the big posts are not. It's those tweeners in the middle. The ones that are big and quick. Like, guards got guard skills and got that big body like a post. They always win the one on one. So players like that are Rekia Jackson, Ray Burrell, Ryan Howard, even Dr. Kahambi. I would say Rekia Jackson, big body, quick buck, could garden.
Raz Gold Onwude
Aaliyah Boston and as a bucket.
Angel McCoughtry
And it's really affordable because you got to have the big body, the guard, and Aaliyah Boston to win. Yeah, those tweeners, baby. Big guards.
Raz Gold Onwude
Okay, all right, well, that. It'll be exciting. Plus, the money's on the line. All right, let's move along to our next category. Best tunnel fit team. We all know some of the best things to come out of Unrival last season was that walk down the epic Sephora tunnel, and people really put some fits together. So the team that I'm choosing is Team Vinyl. And the reason why. Think about it. Ryan Howard, Courtney Williams, you know, they put a fit together. Derick Ahamby, Ray Burrell. You already saw how the Sparks was acting in their game day picks. I also think the diversity of styles, you got the feminine, you got the masculine, you got the studs, you got the girlies. And here's the thing about it being warm weather in Miami. You know, the abs is going to be out. A ton of abs will be on display. I know this team's gonna put it together.
Angel McCoughtry
They go, you know what? I think this is the first time we've actually agreed on the show. I have Team Vinyl also for all those reasons, especially with the stud bud. And then d' Arca and Hanbia, you know, the sexy femininity. Yeah, they like to bring out the stomachs. Are you bringing out your Stomach in Miami.
Raz Gold Onwude
I pray, man. Let me be very clear. If my abs were ready for prime time, you would see them. I would be. And I'm working at it. I've been eating right and because I know Miami is coming up and working out. And if I get abs, just know I'm gonna be obnoxious about it.
Angel McCoughtry
Oh, my God. I've been seeing your stories. You've been in Pilates, man, so I.
Raz Gold Onwude
Know, but you've noticed I've had a full on shirt over and ready yet, but yes. So let's move along. Best content team, who you got?
Angel McCoughtry
Best content team. I'm gonna go with the rose.
Raz Gold Onwude
Oh, why?
Angel McCoughtry
Because I feel like Chelsea Gray is the one that leaves. That Lexi hall is good on. On camera. She's the little cutie. Yeah, that's fair. I got them.
Raz Gold Onwude
I just went with the breeze because I'm like, come on, you got all them. You got the TikTok queens and all the things. More than any. I feel like they're. We're gonna get a lot of dance content out of them. I feel like we're gonna get the dance. We might get some like more thoughtful, funny ones. Okay, we're running out of time. Another cool aspect of unrivaled are the coaches that are coming out this season. Who do you think is going to have the greatest impact?
Angel McCoughtry
I like Renika Hodges. Cool. She's played for a long time, the wba. She's a players coach. She gets it. She's coming in as a new fresh coach. Going to be a head coach in dumbbell one day. And I have one more. Rena Waxman too. Yeah, I'm looking at her.
Raz Gold Onwude
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, so for me, I'm just gonna give a quick shout out to teaspoon Teresa Weatherspoon. Her impact, her energy was felt all over unrivaled last season and actually team Vinyl made it to the championship games and knocked out the Lunar Owls, who were dominant all season. So they upset them and they were like teaspoons belief in us, her energy, the way she coached us helped us get to that point because they were an underdog that got there. Um, so, you know, she'll be back. I expect her to make impact again. But my main point for unrivaled is just that black women coaches are so prevalent and unrivaled. Think about the wnba. There have been none. There's none right now. And so shout out to Nola Henry, who returns and obviously led Rose to a championship last year.
Angel McCoughtry
Noel Quinn.
Raz Gold Onwude
Noel Quinn is back Renika Hodges. These are play longtime WNBA players and coaches and then of course coach Wakama Rena who has done a great job in in leading team Nigeria, the national team, to the Olympics.
Angel McCoughtry
Yes.
Raz Gold Onwude
So I'm always shouting out, you know, Nigerian success but also excited to see what she does in unrivaled with the hive, I believe. Yes.
Angel McCoughtry
And it's about how the players respect them. That's the beautiful part about it. They have so much fun with these coaches. So.
Raz Gold Onwude
And that'll do it for today's show. We're out of time. As always, fun to hang with you.
Angel McCoughtry
Yes.
Raz Gold Onwude
See you this weekend in la.
Angel McCoughtry
Yeah.
Raz Gold Onwude
All right. Cheese Angel. I'm Raz. This is good. Follow show we're out. Did you know you can opt out.
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Episode: GOOD FOLLOW – Project B Signs Big Names, And The Impact On CBA Negotiations, Unrivaled Season Predictions & More!
Date: November 11, 2025
Main Hosts: Raz Gold Onwude & Angel McCoughtry
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
This episode of "Good Follow" (within The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz) dives deep into the transformative moment in women's basketball brought on by the announcement of Project B, a new overseas league promising unprecedented salaries and equity for its players. Hosts Raz Gold Onwude and Angel McCoughtry examine how Project B may impact the WNBA, ongoing CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) negotiations, and the broader ecosystem of women's professional basketball. The episode also features a lively segment on Unrivaled league roster reveals, early season predictions, best fit and content teams, and the importance of Black women coaches in the sport.
[02:09 – 07:44]
Introduction to Project B
Big Money, Big Deals
Player Perspective: Would They Go?
[05:24 – 07:44]
Myth-Busting “Stay in the U.S.” Narrative
Potential Shift Away from WNBA
[09:37 – 18:33]
Union Leadership Now Owns Stakes in New Leagues
Positive Player Power but Raises Questions
Risks to WNBA’s Momentum
[16:20 – 18:33]
Disparity Between Stars and Middle-Class Athletes
Saudi Money: Sportswashing?
Project B’s financial backing includes a Saudi event partner—not full labeling as a “Saudi league”, but the association is raising questions about motives and human rights.
"One thing we…know we're in favor of, I guess, the girls getting the bag. Give them the bag." (Raz, 18:33)
[18:33 – 27:28]
Way-Too-Early Predictions for Unrivaled
Raz picks Team Breeze for their young, versatile talent—but ultimately goes with Team Laces for defense (Jackie Young, Brittany Sykes, Alyssa Thomas).
Angel chooses Breeze: "Them young legs because when you playing three on three, you can't hide, baby." (Angel, 20:54)
One-on-One Tournament Favorites
Best Tunnel Fit Team
Best Content Team
Coach Shout-Outs
[26:06 – 27:24]
[27:28 – 27:34]
This episode underscores a seismic shift in women’s basketball, with Project B’s big-money, player-centered model applying massive pressure on traditional structures like the WNBA and its CBA. The prospect of true leverage, ownership, and global options—tempered by risk—has the players “getting the bag,” but also signals a period of disruptive realignment for the sport’s stars, rising talent, and its institutions.