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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Hey, what's up, everyone? Welcome to Good follow presented by DraftKings. I'm Raz Gold Onboarde, and that is my girl. Angel McCarthy is back with us again. What's going on, Angel? How you doing?
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What's going on, guys? Don't forget to subscribe. Like comment follow Angels that be getting.
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Straight to the business. She said don't forget to subscribe. Like follow come all the things. But I, I, I, I just feel like I can't even keep up with you. You've been all over New York City, all the escapades.
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I'm loving it here, man. Like, this is your city where you grew up.
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I'm from Queens.
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You're from Queen. It's amazing here, man. It's New York Fashion Week. Can we get a close up on the nails?
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What?
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Bada bing, bada boom. Look at all that bling, Roz, you've been bling blinging, man. I can't keep up with that.
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So thank you for. Okay. Because I'm in my nail girly era and like, I created these nails. I even came into the nail shop with my own gemstones.
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No way. That's amazing.
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When I walked in, they was clearly annoyed. It was like this girl again. No, but I'm, I'm really enjoy. Thank you. These are my fashion.
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I love it.
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Thank you. They're also celebration nails because I have so many things going on, including happy birthday to you. I can't even open this box. Happy birthday, dear Angel Makachi.
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Look at this, guys. Look what she did.
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Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.
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Turning up tonight.
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Ross, Happy birthday to you.
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We doing this liberty game first.
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Happy birthday. Asia McCarthy's birthday is Wednesday.
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Are we telling our age, Ross?
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It's up to you, baby girl.
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We 39.
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Still hanging on to the 30s child. We're hanging, hanging.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah. From the whole good follow family.
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Thank you, guys. I love you guys.
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All right, so for your birthday present, guess what I have for you. What a whole lot of mess.
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Love that.
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All right, guys, let me take you through today's show. The Chicago sky and Angel Reese debacle and unrivaled. They are on a rocket 10x their value in their latest fundraise. And Caitlin Clark is out for the season for the rest of the WNBA season. So could Caitlin Clark be unrivaled? All right. And angel, this is where you would say don't forget.
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This is the cue I forget to like subscribe comments. Tuesdays and Thursdays are episodes. Thank you guys for having me here, Ross.
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And happy birthday again, Angel.
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Thank you so much.
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She was overzealous.
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We opened the show.
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I was like, welcome to good public subscribe. Subscribe. Please come and engage. You had one job. All right, all right. Now we got through that. All right, let's get to the topics. It's been chaos in Chicago, child. It is a mess. An article came out in the Chicago Tribune. I'm going to try and break it all down for you. For those who might already know or need to catch up, here it is. So an article came out in the Chicago Tribune quoting Angel Reese and her frustrations with the sky organization. I'm not settling for the same we did last year. We have to get good players. We have to get great players. That's non negotiable for me. And she went on to name names. Here it is. She named names, players specifically like Courtney Vandersloot. We can't rely on Courtney to come back at the age she's at. I know she'll be a great asset for us, but we can't rely on that. All right, child. So it didn't end there. Teammates started to come out responding. Here we go. Sloot definitely felt some kind of way to that as she was called out by name. And she said, contrary to what people say or think, my age is actually not a factor. I'm coming back. During an interview on a TV broadcast, actually, she said that. And also Sloot's wife, Ali Quigley took to Instagram stories. So Ally clocked that and she posted a list of of Sleuth's accolades with the words friendly reminder. And then Rachel Banham had this to say about the article. I think I just don't really care. I'm so over all of this. If I was younger, it would have affected me more. But I'm grown and I just don't care. So, yeah, it's messy. It's apathy starting to set in. And then Ariel Atkins, who, mind you, she defended Rhys earlier in the season. She told the Sun Times, ownership handled it as they see fit. They have full support from our team. And this is in response to Angels punishment. So full support for the punishment ownership gave Angel. Mind you, this coming from Ariel Atkins, the one who, when it was like peak hate on Angel Reese season at the top of the season where she started out poorly, self admittedly was like a bad start for her, literally. National pundits coming in to throw tomatoes and Ariel Atkins on the podium publicly stepped up and had her back. And now you're seeing her here saying ownership has the support of our team. All right, that's everything. Angela, you're caught up.
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Oh, my gosh.
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What do you. What is your reaction?
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Okay, I'm the. The other angel from Baltimore, just like Angel Reese. We went to the same high school, so I've known Angel since eighth grade. Roz, what's the saying? It's not how we say. It's how we deliver it. How we deliver it. Angel. This is coming from big sis. Have you ever had a losing season? Ross, of course. Me, Dayana, Sue, Simone, Tameka. I can go to the line. Maya Moore. We've all had losing seasons before. That is what happens. You have to be patient. I was in Atlanta. There was a young team called Las Vegas Aces. I'm dapping the fives. There's this young kid called Asia Wilson. She's crying because they did not make the playoffs. We have a good team. We're making the playoffs. I said to her, I said, be patient. It's coming. Is the rest history? So we all have to go through those steps sometimes. But here's the main thing. You're not the only one having a bad season. Your teammates are having a bad season, too. But here's the difference is your teammates, they don't have million dollar deals, endorsement deals. They don't have Shaq advocating for them. Right? So even though they're having a losing season, one of your teammates might not even see $50,000, 100,000 in their bank account. So you have to take the good with the bad and know that even though you're Having a losing season. It's how you say it. But you're so blessed. You have everything in front of you. So as a leader, what you do, you go to the front office at the end, you go see your GMs, hey, what can we do? Who can we bring in? What vets can we bring in? You know, Courtney's coming back. That's how you do it, angel, for the future. What do you think on that, Ross?
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Do you think it was. It was too early in her career to be delivering this message too. Like, does she have the clout for that?
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Sure, she can deliver. I'm all about saying what you feel. Right. We don't hold stuff in, but it's just how we say it. You never want your teammates to feel like. Because they're already looking at you like you have everything. Right. Like you said, they don't have million dollar endorsement deals, but they're having to lose in season two. You know what I would do, Angel? I would get one of my endorsements, say, give me an extra a hundred thousand so I can give all my teammates 10 just to show them I care. I would do stuff like that. That puts you in a limelight of like, wow, let's set this girl up. The owners will look at you like the GMs, and then they'll make sure they set you up for success. But when it's like, I got to take care of me and don't make it sound like it's just all about you, especially when you're such. Such in a blessed position that other girls will never see because they're losing too.
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Yeah. No, I think there's a sensitivity that, you know, angel could move with. And I'm willing to give some grace here too, because again, this is a 23 year old.
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Right.
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You know, so in, in unprecedented shoes. Like, unprecedented attention.
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Yeah.
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Money making, like popularity, like, we haven't even seen anything quite like this. This is an unprecedented time for women's sports.
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Yes.
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So I feel like there's no blueprint in this. And I think for the most part, she has a track record of being really positive on her teammates, uplifting, sharing the shine with teammates. Publicly, I don't. She has no track record as far as I'm looking, in a public setting, downplaying teammates. This was a misstep and this is something she can learn from. In fact, actually, I think angel right away recognized.
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Yes.
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That this was. This was wrong or it was. It was not the right way. And therefore she apologized publicly. It was a public misstep therefore her, her apology was public. And so I actually like took a few notes like the missteps. For me timing, I, I think this is a, an easier message to digest in the off season, not in season.
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Boom.
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I don't misstep. Number two, calling team out, teammates out by name.
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Yeah.
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And especially Courtney Vandersloot. I want to come to you after this because you calling out Courtney Vander Sloot. This is literally a legend of the game. I'm sure she didn't mean, but you could have delivered this message without ever saying her name. And this is literally someone who is a two time champion, in fact has brought a championship to the very organization that y' all are playing on. She has literally delivered them the Chicago Sky. A championship. You are a second year player. There is a nuance about how you need to speak about someone that great even if they're at that towards more of the latter part of their career. And I felt that she was missing the respect factor there.
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Can I say this, Ross, to the young players, we don't mention age to us legends. Okay. We know we getting older. We don't need a reminder from y'. All. Let me tell you this. I used to tease Swing, Cash and them see Bird like y' all still stretching over there. Come on. And then I had Kelsey plumbing them teasing me. I'm like, wow, look at this reverse thing. Because you're going to get old one day and you're going to see how it feels when you're trying to come back. You know, we trying to get our bodies together. But like you said, she's a legend. You respect your legends as they are and that's what you got to do.
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Yeah. But here's, here's the other side of this though. Angel wasn't wrong in a lot of ways.
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No.
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So I took notes. So Angel's not wrong in that she's handled her individual business. She's a two time all star. How many years has she been in the league? Two. So every year.
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Yeah.
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Rewriting record books. She leads this team in points, rebounds, assists. Like so this is somebody who's done her part on the court. Has it led to winning?
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No, not yet.
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Not yet. She's not wrong the franchise has not supported her with stability every single season. Different coaches, different rosters. She's not wrong. The team constructed a roster this season that collectively and individually has underachieved.
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Underachieved.
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She's not wrong. It is valid to have concern about any 37 year old coming back from ACL injury, full stop, period. No matter who it is. And I say 37 because next season SLU will be 37. And she's not wrong that the sky have made many blunders, especially around having a new practice facility. At first, they didn't even commit to it.
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Right.
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They've got them practicing in a rec center and they finally did commit to making a dedicated practice facility. But it's been heavily delayed. Delayed, delayed, delayed to the point where it will not be ready for this off season, which is critical because you want to recruit players during this free agency at 26, where everybody's a free agent, right. And you can't use it as a recruiting tool. And you're thinking about Angel's window and. And she's probably thinking, the time is now, y'. All. Let's go.
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Right, right. So organization, y' all gotta step it up for these girls. I mean, they deserve it. You can't have Angel, Reese and these type of women in a rec center like the Value, right?
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I heard you could. You could work out at your lunch break and see the Chicago sky practice.
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Oh, no, we ain't doing that. We passed those days.
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That's crazy.
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Those are my our times.
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Oh my gosh. Teammates responses it just shows disarray, right? And it just shows disorganization. And we don't want to see that. Like we're believers, you know, our time. What happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors. That was a lot of issues when I played in Atlanta, but you wouldn't really know it. Yeah, because we didn't air our dirty laundry. So you guys got to know, stay professional and keep your stuff behind closed doors. Yes. Say what you feel.
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So you don't think her teammates, you think her teammates were wrong or right because they clearly seemed like their feathers were ruffled and kind of barked back.
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I think they felt like once she was able to say how she said it. We're not saying you're wrong, Angel. It was just the way you said it. They just went on and said whatever they had to say without caring. So y' all gotta get that together. Where's the ownership at?
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And it also shows you there's a weakness in the locker room because the right vets, too, would have nipped this in the bud.
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Would have said Ross, Shameless plug. Once again to these owners, y' all put the money out, but y' all gotta learn basketball. You don't win championships with all young. You don't win championships with all old. You mix a combination of vets and young and had you have a good vet, none. Hello?
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Yeah, Angel's still available.
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The locker room would be organized and set not because we're buttholes, but because we just know how to this. It's an aura of respect around say what you feel, but we respect each other while we say what we feel.
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Absolutely. So that could have been handled in the locker room. However, it was not for the Chicago sky. So here's what actually ended up happening. After the article was published, Angel Reese apologized in a post game press conference. Publicly, she said, I didn't, I didn't intentionally mean to put my teammates down. I want to apologize to my teammates for the article and how it was misconstrued. But after the apology, the Chicago sky put out a statement denouncing Angel's comments and gave her a half game suspension. So now they've taken it to the world, out of the locker room, into the world, suspending her not just even for a normal game, for a really interesting half game. And now the question is, what do you make of the punishment? Why a half game? Does it de escalate or escalate the situation?
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Roz, what is that a half game? I've never seen that before. And if I'm, If I'm a 22 year old and I'm suspended for half game, I'm coming out halftime, like, because it's like, okay, I was just finished, here I come, let me wait. In halftime, I'm text texting on the phone, in the locker. What are we doing? If you punish, just do the game, make your point and let's keep it moving. Half game. Then I'm coming out with an attitude because if I'm a 22 year old, I'm going to come up with an attitude.
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Well, what is the point of the half game? Is it to make sure she doesn't miss a game on her record or something? She already, I'm like, was there a strategical reason so she'd get paid for the game?
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Like that's a good question. But what is that? Have you ever seen that suspension?
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But it felt petty, it felt small. And for me overall I just feel like the punishment didn't fit the crime. I feel like this should have been handled in house and move forward, team meeting and move forward, which were all steps that did happen. They did have a team meeting.
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Yeah.
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Also Angel Reese did publicly apologize and like it was a public misstep and a public apology. I think the fact that she, this is not something that has repeated itself. This is a first time situation and she's 23. Like I kind of feel like I wouldn't have made it a public suspension. I would have just like maybe made a statement that we see it, we don't like it. You know, we've had a team meeting. Angel has, you know, is being regarded within the team. She's doing certain things and we appreciate the apology and move forward and instead it escalated it. And so it felt performative. You know, it felt like. And there's a lot of conversation at like, are there different bodies of power positioning themselves within this conversation?
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Like, right, Ross?
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Absolutely. Oh, so let's continue. When her half game suspension was up, angel was then ruled out for the second half of another game, this time due to back injury. So Chad is. The tea is hot, it's messy. I don't know what's happening in Chicago. So post game, Tyler Marsh's comments on Angel's back felt like they weren't telling the whole story. And this isn't the first time that this happened.
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She reported it to us during pregame and so, you know, in conjunction with.
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The medical staff and on the medical staff, it was. We wanted to be as cautious as possible. So first of all, he said she, like, it sounded like he threw her under the bus. Little like, she reported this to us before the game. Like, he don't believe in the injury.
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I'mma need coach you to come up like, hey, we talked about it. She has a back injury. Like, where's the confidence? She talked about like, Chicago, get. Can I cuss on here? Yeah, Chicago, get your together. It's a mess.
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Has it been a mess since you were, since you were playing?
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I mean, when Candace was there, the last time I played, when Candace was there, it seemed like a beautiful organization. They were just figuring out practice facility. But they won a championship.
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They won a championship. But there have been a number of players who have axed their way out of there. Sylvia Fowles, Elena Del Don, Marina Mabry, Kalia Copper. So it is interesting, but just to continue to finish this up. Earlier this season, though, she was out for an extended period of time with the back injury. Like she missed seven straight games with the back injury. Actually, she. On August 21st, the sky played at the Liberty. It was just her second game. Returning back from the back injury and she was so. She had been so happy about coming back, talking about, I love the game and actually that game was interesting because she and Camila Cardoso combined for 43 points, 25 rebounds. And the sky shock the Liberty at Barclays center and win.
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Oh, wow.
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So I mean, it was triumphant for them. So pre game of that game, like, I'm there. I'm the color commentator for the Liberty. We're in the media scrum and she speaks to us before the game and she shared this answer that I thought was interesting and I got it on tape. The question was, what did you learn? Or what are you taking from your second year in the wnba? Let's listen. Put myself first, prioritize myself. It's the business.
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And I.
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And I had to learn to put myself first.
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Second year in the league. I Probably didn't do that last year and just try to go out there.
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And play through every damn thing.
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And I can't always do that. I have to prioritize myself. And when everybody else wants me out there, I can't do that. Oh, Lord. We gotta work on how we just. How we sound. Right. Hey, guys, I'm working just to be a better teammate. I want to get healthy for my teammates. I want to play an Olympic team this year. So I'm really working hard and just prioritizing a lot of things. Boom. Does that sound a little different? But it's still the same. But it sounds a little better. It's just Angel. We got to work on just how we deliver. And call me, because call Roz. We, like our vets are here to help. You know what I'm saying? I know you got the PR people and they. They just do the brand thing. They try to get the money and all that, but when it comes to imaging and how you basketball talk and how to be a leader, like, call us because we'll tell you how to phrase this stuff and the aura that. That needs to be behind it.
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Yeah. I mean, what I make of this is that there's just a lot of tension mounting in the Chicago sky on both sides. There are lessons that could be learned for the Chicago sky. They need to be really careful that they don't alienate a fan base, that there's a huge fan base that really locks in and taps in for Angel. Reese, you want to make sure you stay aligned.
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Yeah.
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They want to make sure they hold themselves accountable as a fan base and kind of move out of this reputation of being a franchise that is playing from behind and can. Can. Can nurture the growth of young players and also bring in new talent and attract new talent on Angels. And this is a learning opportunity. She had many missteps, as we've noted, and delivery. Maybe some help from PR where there's a bit more accountability versus finger pointing.
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There you go.
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And understanding of delivery of message, whether the message is true or not. And I think you said something that was valuable, like, look, when you step. Exist in a certain pedestal, which angel does. There's. There's certain responsibilities that you absolutely have the agency to decide I'm gonna take on or not. I think Angel's. I think Angel's capable of taking it on.
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Absolutely.
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I think she can. I don't think she. I think there, like, there are many great athletes who have transcended even their sport and have decided, I will take on the responsibility that comes with that. I'll be a role model. I'll be a spokesperson for the team. I'll take the hit. I'll be graceful. There are some that have shied away and said, I'm not the face of this.
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Very true.
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Or I'm not no role model. Yeah, I think Angel's capable of stepping up.
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She's capable. That's such a great point, Roz. She's capable and she has it. We're just going to clean up. You're young and like you said, it's just a little misstep. But I want the fans to know it was just a small mistake. Don't hold this against her for the next 20 years because y' all don't know how to let stuff go. Let it go. Let her learn from this and learn how to be a good leader, like you said.
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Welcome back to GoodFallow. Today's episode is presented by DraftKings. It's now time for the DraftKings Pick of the Week. Presented by DraftKings. This week I got my eye on the Aces Sparks matchup. The Sparks need this win to remain in playoff contention. However, we've seen the Aces climb to the two seed and win 14 in a row, which is why I picked them to come out on top. My players to watch are Asia Wilson, who set the record this season with 1330 point games and counting and is the force driving the Aces win streak. And on the other side, it's Derricka Hamby, who does all of the dirty work, especially in the paint and has been averaging 18 points, eight rebounds and three assists a game. All right, this segment is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours. All right, let's get to it. Some unrivaled talk. They got the crown right now. They got the money. They got the money crown. They got all that stuff coming in. Let's talk money moves in women's basketball world real quick. Quick. Before its first season, unrivaled was. Unrivaled was valued at $35 million. Well, guess what? Just before the second season, after a second round of funding, the league has multiplied its valuation tenfold and now sits at a valuation of $340 million.
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C
My God.
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B
10X that unrivaled has the highest average salary in professional women's sports and provides average equity to its players. God damn those first round of players. That equity equity is tenfold now with the raise across the board for unrivaled staff. So how can they build on all of this in season two?
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C
I mean, first of all, can we start stretching rails? Are we coming back?
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B
Sheesh. I should have taken. I work. I worked on rival last season as a broadcaster. I should have taken my pet inequity. Ooh, had no.
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C
It's not too late.
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B
Not that it was offered in equity.
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C
It's not too late. I mean, you're. You're one of the faces of it But I mean, this just goes to show you the growth. The brands are there. They're adding more seats to the stadium. Everybody wants to see unrivaled in the offseason. Nobody has to really go over seasonal war. It's just a win win, man.
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B
Paige Beckers will. Will take the court. She's got a contract with them, so that'll be exciting. They plan to travel a game, so that's cool. And that'll be a bigger arena. They're adding seats to their current mainstay flagship arena in Miami, which is huge because that place, they could have fit twice that capacity in there. It was 800 last season. Wow. Could they snag an Asia or a Caitlyn? It kind of feels with Caitlin Clark now has. Who has officially, you know, called it quits on the season. Not quits up.
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C
She's.
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B
She's out for the season. It's been officially ruled that way. Tough season for her and that she was just injured through it. Unrivaled seems like the perfect place for her.
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C
She's gonna have to come back and get in shape. So it could be a really good.
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B
Move, which would be a perfect place for the investors and the ratings and the viewers and all the things. And, you know, as we saw all these WNBA teams going up in valuation, 300 million, 250 million, 500 million. All that meant for unrivaled was that the league was raising. So you see how a rising tide lifts all boats. But guess what? We'll be here to cover it and discuss it with all of you as our show is coming to an end right now. But we drop Tuesdays and Thursdays, so definitely come kick it with good follow. She's Angel. I'm Roz and we'll see you next week.