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Rosa
You're listening to DraftKings Network. Welcome to Good Follow Portugal. Welcome to Good Follow y'. All presented by DraftKings. My name is Rosa and that is Logan. What's up, Logan? To do that?
Logan
I'm absolutely loving all of this. Wait, I only know French. We just know.
Rosa
Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised because I know you are multilingual and that Portuguese is not one of them. The show must go on. We must go. Good Follow comes to you wherever you're watching from, guys. And we appreciate you tuning in. And you know, I'm here for y' all on my vacation. And Logan, you're in Canada, right?
Logan
I am. Go Tempo.
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Rosa
I see Rocky. Yo, Tempo. So where'd you get that swag from?
Logan
They actually sent it to me, I think right when they named the team, they sent a whole bunch of people these huge boxes. And this was a collaboration with Roots, which is a very big Canadian brand. And it is the most comfiest hoodie I've ever worn. But yeah, shout out to Temple.
Rosa
Wow. You getting that influence, that Tempo influencer package. I love that for you.
Logan
I love that for you.
Rosa
Okay. Well, we will see the rollouts of all these new teams coming up because the WNBA is expanding. And that. That brings me. It's a good segue into the menu for today's show. We got a whole bunch of stuff coming up for you. The wnba, the CBA is being negotiated as we speak, and an offer allegedly came out and it was rejected by the players association, calling it a slap in the face from some players out the some players mouths. And then there's been some conspiracy theories to come out of this. We will be diving in deep. And you heard of Love Island. Well, how about League Island? Yes, that's right. We are playing a Game. Keeping in mind the show that is taking America by storm. And everyone's group chat. That's right, Love Island. But we made it for the wnba. We'll have some WNBA conference professionals. I think we'll have a lot of fun coming up.
Logan
And y', all, Love island might be coming to an end, so you won't get your episodes every single day, but you can get our episodes twice a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And as always, y', all, thank you so much for all the love. The way y' all click all the buttons. It is amazing and we love to see it. But, Roz, are you ready to get into this show?
Rosa
Let's do it.
Logan
Let's do it. So I actually want to start by diving into the WNBA cba. And last week, the WNBA players rejected the first CBA offer from the league. Now, WNBA PA Vice president Brianna Stewart had this to say. Quote, absolutely frustrated. They kind of just ignored everything we said. And union rep Sati Sabli also chimed in. Take a look.
Brianna Stewart
I think we can focus on our players in the union. We got a proposal from the league, which was honestly a slap in the face. And I think we, we really have to put an emphasis on the players that are in our league right now. How cool would it also be to have a little bit expansion on the rosters? Like, let's focus on the teams that have everything set up right now and maybe focus on the teams also that find excuses continuously to lack investment into their players before we focus on adding more to the grain of people that can't really be sustained.
Logan
So given that the players are negotiating for some incredibly important things like larger salary, shares of larger revenue, league revenue, sorry. And improve conditions, it makes you think, how bad did this deal have to be to get a reaction like this from the players? Not only could they be feeling it internally, but for them to speak out on it as well.
Rosa
Yeah, the players are putting a lot of pressure through the media and the press conference on the wnba. I mean, there's pressure on the W, especially as a woman's league, to not get crushed by the, you know, in the. In the media talking points. And, you know, the players are calling them out publicly and using public disposition, public attitude as maybe like a stick of their own to try to hit at the wnba. And I think, you know, I tend to feel for the players. Like what Satsu Sabli said right there, too, is like, hey, there's all these big announcements coming out about, out about expansion, but there's issues at home within these teams that need to be addressed. And I don't think that can be ignored.
Logan
Absolutely not. And if from an outside perspective, it's very hard to kind of see what they're dealing with because obviously we don't know every single thing that's outlined in the cba. But one thing that came out, I believe it was earlier on in the week, it was how much players are earning for playing in the All Star game. So the WNBA gives players $202,575 for playing in a game, regardless of if they're starter or Reserve. The MVP earns just over 5,000. And then the three point and skills winners earn pretty much a bonus of the same amount that they got for being an All Star. Last year, AFLAC teamed up with the players union to boost these numbers. And this year it's pretty substantial. The three point winner is going to win $60,000 and the winner of the skills competition is going to win $55,000. So. So the fact that even someone else has to step in or another brand to give these players what they deserve in All Star, I don't remember the NBA numbers and I don't like comparing one to one, but it should 100% be more than $2,575 for being an All Star.
Rosa
Yeah. Yeah. And I think again, that's another part of like the W getting crushed in the PR spin of that. Like, you've got these, these juicy, flashy headlines coming out of teams being valuated at half a billion dollars. You know, how is, how is the team worth half a billion dollars? And there's players making 70k, you know, like, it, it's not a good look. And so I think like the league also has a lot of pressure on them too, with taking on new teams coming in that were bought at price points of $250 million. Like, there's pressure to get this done the right way. I think so. There's pressure on the league to get this done the right way. I think there's also public opinion pressure on. I think that favors the players and ultimately everyone needs this to go well. Like, I think it's a shared need to not see this go to lockout, but especially the W. Right. Because again, you just took on, you know, a lot of pressure with these new teams coming in at 250 million. Like, you want to sustain the momentum. You want to not have to pause play. You've got a great rollout from the Valkyries. You don't want to lose that by having the next season not. Not come out as planned. You know, you've got teams that are supposed to be being churned out season after season. Like, you don't want to overcomplicate things by. By suddenly maybe having to bunch up rollouts. Like, I think there's. There's a lot of pressure on everyone to get this right, but certainly on the W. Absolutely.
Logan
And the union is actually working with a Nobel prize winning economist. I believe her name is Claudia golden, during the negotiation. So they're trying to get everyone to help because it's also hard going into these negotiations. I mean, I'm sure there's lawyers, but doing this all on your own, understanding and knowing, like, I couldn't imagine how hard that would be. Especially trying to reason with someone like the W, who it doesn't seem like they're coming to the table with exactly what is needed, slash and or wanted. But you mention the word lockout and not after. Not long after the news broke, there was a huge conspiracy theory. Let's call it Unrivaled Gate. So came up and it says, quote. So let me get this straight. Brianna Stewart is WNBA Penn President Nafisa Collier's vp. They co founded Unrivaled, a league that benefits if there's a WNBA lockout. And they're the ones leading CBA negotiations. How do you negotiate in good faith? Make it make sense. Now. Big sigh. Before we go any further, I do want to point out that Fee and Stewie are both VPs this year while the president is Neko Guam. Okay, but Fee actually clapped back saying while everyone else was enjoying fireworks, you were thinking about me and Stewie of all the people are conspiring to force a lockout that would result in less money year round for the WNBA players. Oh my God, this is all just so insane. He said.
Rosa
He said, excuse me, can you please enjoy your hot dog and Mac and cheese on the 4th of July? And please leave me out of it. She said leave me out of it. I love spicy feed this season. I'm here for it.
Logan
I love the Twitter fingers too. But is it fair for fans to even question the motives of player leaders? Or is it just faceless Internet drama?
Rosa
Oh my gosh. You know, she had to be upset to really get to hop back in the mentions and clap back like that.
Logan
She's a Mila. Hold on a second. Right?
Rosa
She must have been hot. Now I think this whole thing is just, you know, commotion for no reason, baseless drama as it's built right now. Not to say that Things couldn't evolve. But Unrivaled is meant to complement the WNBA season. And I certainly think that the success of the WNBA is what feeds into the success of these kind of alternative, if you will, off season leagues and opportunities. And certainly the WNBA feeds into the narrative of Unrivaled, which is like, these are the best, you know, handful of players in the world that come to play in Unrivaled, which is a different, you know, message than maybe Athletes Unlimited is doing. But as it is right now, Unrivaled, you know, not even built to, to do that, like to try and take over with a WNBA lockout. I think it is just messy thinking. And over. The entire women's basketball ecosystem, I think is centered around like the sun, the orbit, which is the wnba. And like, that needs to fuel everything else. And as far as Fee and Stewie, for me, it's very clear that they've always been player first in their motives over the course of years, you know, and Stewie's been here, you know, for a minute, leading in so many ways off the court for women's rights, you know, player rights, all sorts of things. So SS Fee. But I just, I think it's faceless these, that, that accusation. What about you?
Logan
Yeah, we also have to remember that Unraveled is an off season league, so it doesn't really rival the W in that sense. Sure, there's a bit more leverage just as an overall league. It didn't even have to be Fee or Stewie who started it. But based on the success that we saw and what the players got. But they started this to help give players what they need to not have to travel overseas in the off season. So why would they want to just not even dismantle, but lower the standards of the leagues that they're playing like, it. It genuinely does not make sense whatsoever. But it's funny to see how quickly people jump to conclusions and the fact that it wasn't even correct. They said, I think Stewie is president. And it takes one simple Google search. And I think it was actually on the picture that they might have attached that Necco was president. I don't know. It's all just so crazy.
Rosa
It's literally the only reason why this, like, false, inaccurate tweet is newsworthy is because he gave it a response. Otherwise it just would have been lost in, in the noise.
Logan
I would love to see more of that though, this season. I. I love when players clap back at people. You hear her clap back. Oh, the drama always coming up. Roz. And I play a game that may involve some A drama, but B, Love Island Confessions. We'll be right back.
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Rosa
Welcome back to Good Follow y'. All. Good Follow is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.
Logan
I'm so obsessed with Love island right now. Everyone is plays into our game because honestly, sadly enough, the finale is on Sunday and I'm. I'm personally not ready for it. But I'm also ready to kind of get back to living my life as a normal person because every single night at nine o' clock eastern time I am that ready for what is it?
Rosa
I started late so I'm literally like catching up which I'm thankful for. I'm a binger so I'm happy To have all these episodes to watch. I don't want to have to wait. I can't. I'm not. I'm not a wait and watch type. It's not. It's not me, so.
Logan
Oh, you're in for a ride. I honestly wish I could do it that way too.
Rosa
I just got to Casa Amore.
Logan
Oh, buckle up, buckle up. But y', all, we are combining the two. Our favorite things, WNBA and Love island in a game of League Island Confessionals. So I'm gonna name a team and our job is to confess whether we think they have met expectations, be expectations, or perform below expectations. Alright, so starting with the Seattle Storm, they had some decent offseason moves including trading jewelry to the Aces, drafting Dominique Belonga, signing Neca to a contract, extending extension, and resigning Gabby Williams. Now, at the time of recording, they sit fourth in league with a record of 12 and seven. But have they met expectations, be expectations, or perform below expectations?
Rosa
So my analyst hat answer would be met expectations to be sitting at the All Star break with room to improve and grow at at the 4 seed. We expected Minnesota and New York to be there. So like really maybe the higher that they could have been would have been in the top, you know, the three. So they're in the upper quadrant. I think that's meeting expectations. However, my RA's hat I'm even gonna say that it's below expectations only because I have such high expectations for the Storm. I actually think the Storm can be even better if they would just be even more consistent. You know, the thing with the Storm is they're so, you know, up and down. They can beat the Liberty, you know, and have, you know, a historic, you know, historic games. And you've got individual and collective performances. Whether it's Neca breaking a new record every single game or it's Skyler Diggins having an excellent season, or it's Gabby Williams having a career year and now an All Star season. I mean, the Storm have three All Stars. They're one of like, I think two teams with three All Stars. Like there's a lot of talent there. We're not even talking like, you know, as he Magma Gore. We're not even talking how great Erica Wheeler has been this season. Just really a resurgence since being with the Fever and, and getting more opportunity here. Or how the rookie Dominique Malunga, you know, is starting to get, have more improvement. She's raw, she needs work. But in her, you know, last game against the Liberty, she showed some, some growth, you know, in her limited minutes. So My thing with with the Storm is like sometimes they'll be that or they'll lose by 27 to the Valkyries. Like what, what years?
Logan
It hasn't made sense considering the talent on their team either.
Rosa
And don't forget too, this is a team that's like down talent. At the beginning of the season they had so many ACLs and different injuries. Like the roster is short. They actually one of the questions also was their depth. They're not very deep but I think overall it's been a, an overall good start to the season. But like they got a lot of talent and that veteran group is very good, you know. So those are my thoughts with them.
Logan
Yeah. At the beginning of the season, Skyler said this is one of the best teams she's been on, I believe or something along those lines. And honestly at first looking at their team on paper I'm like okay. And I feel like Seattle just has the reputation of being such a mid team that seems like they're going to do well but don't really. And this year they're doing well. But again I have written met expectations. Still room to grow because I want to see this grow. I feel like they're starting to peak at the right time, but once everyone kind of gets on the same same wavelength and they get it all together as a team, they could be really dangerous. Like I can definitely see them up there with Minnesota and Liberty. So next up we have the Atlanta Dream and I'm actually interested to see to hear what you say on this one. But they started their season hot. Brittany Griner and Briana Jones have been great additions to Alicia Gray, Gray and Ryan Howard and Jordan Canada. But Alicia Gray and Ryan Howard are chucking the threes and I love how BG and Brianna Jones just kind of come in and help with the support. But at the time of recording they said 11 and 7 and fifth in the league. So have they met expectations, beat them or perform below them?
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Rosa
So I would say they're meeting expectations perhaps to like maybe an untrained eye you might think they're exceeding expectations. But for me as someone who was in Miami at unrivaled all season, like I saw a lot of the core of this team do great and so I actually really expected and I said this at the beginning of the season, Alicia Gray and Ryan Howard to have big years and they are, you know, they're both, you got two all stars in the team leading the way. Brianna Jones took a leap of faith, you know, is in a brand new scenery and having a great season herself and really complimenting them in the paint with all that she can do. And obviously having Brittney Griner makes your team very strong. Plus they've got like a lot of little nice role players that fill in there but for me this starts and stops and also not to mention like what Tahina Palpow has been able to do off the bench and obviously Jordan Canada has been slowed by an injury to start the season. But like I if she wasn't hurt by injury I actually thought this would be a three headed guard monster that would be very dominant and in Jordan, Ryan and Alicia, not to say that that can't be possible but like the three of them had incredible seasons that unrivaled and I expected them to build on that. So for me I would say met expectations but I know there's a lot of people that would say exceeded.
Logan
I would honestly say about the same. I remember looking at the preseason projections and comparing it to the roster that they had at the time and thinking they should be doing a lot better than this. And as you said that just. What is it called? A quad. Oh my gosh, what's it called with a group of four A quantuplet, I'm not sure but Brian Howard, Ali Chigray, Bree Jones and BG have really, really gone all out this season and they're so they're such a well balanced team because when one of their players isn't playing as good then there's still other players to step up and I love just the consistency that they've been showing and I believe they were projected to have just a little bit lower than a winning record or maybe even. But yeah, for me, they are meeting expectations with room to grow. Almost the same as Seattle. But this next one is the Indiana Fever. And you know, before the season they were being called a super team and there was an episode with Lucy, you and I, and I said, they're just not selling me on the super team. But to be fair, they've gone through a lot of injuries and a whole bunch of discombobulation, let's call it along with waving to wanna Bonner. So things haven't really gone to plan with them, but they have picked up a few good wins without Caitlin Clark. But that said, they're still 9 and 9 and seventh in the league at this time of recording. So what do you think about them? Have they met B or performed below expectations?
Rosa
I think, you know, it's below. It's below expectations for. It's been a lot of drama surrounding this team this season. Like whether it's, you know, fights on the court, whether it's unceremonious leavings of teams and rumors on why it's been injury marred. It's funny that the entire group of, you know, free agents that we thought was changing the trajectory and what was possible for this Indiana Fever team, it's actually that that returning core group that they're leaning on most heav. You know, it'd be funny to regrade the free agency at the halfway point for the Indiana Fever versus someone like the Valkyries. Right? Like, remember free agency? It was largely called a flop for the Valkyries because they didn't get a splashy big star. But like, look how much they've overachieved and like, you know, done well with kind of the role players that they've had. And you know, you look at the Fever and it was splotchy and like, they just have not. It hasn't worked out that way. Especially those players they brought in. In fact, one departs and. And Dewana Bonner leaving, I mean, that could be something that really sets a team back. Like, that was a huge part of the projection for them to be like a championship contender. So, you know, they've got a lot to figure out of the half out of the. Out of the All Star break. But it's, it's an. It's below expectations for me.
Logan
Yeah, I didn't expect them to go absolutely crazy and be like, first, second in the league, but it's almost a little saddening to see how much they've fallen. But that said, if you ask, and I'm so excited to do this Monday when I'm in Toronto, a random person where you think they're in the standings, I'm sure they say first because of how many headlines they've been making.
Rosa
Yeah, and I think too like with Caitlin having injuries, like that's been hard for the team too. And her season hasn't been elite. Like she's had signature mom moments but her efficiency is down, it's been turnovers. So like even this like superstar talent in the league hasn't, you know, been able to shine or we haven't been able to see her a lot because she hasn't been on the court, she's been injured. So it's just been tough all around.
Logan
Yeah. And it's also been tough for the Las Vegas Aces who after winning the title in 2022 and 2023, they went to the semis in 2024, but they've officially come back to like normal people, down to earth type of level. They're currently sitting in eighth place at 8, 9 at the time of recording and they're definitely not where they expected themselves to be. I don't think anyone expected them to be here given, oh my gosh, given the off season pickups as well. But have they met, beat or perform below expectations?
Rosa
The team is below expectations. You know, the play of Asia Wilson actually has been, you know, what we expect. She's been able to continue to put the numbers up, but the rest of the team has been largely in inconsistent and disappointing. I mean even just hearing what's coming out of the post game pressers from Becky Hammond and the players, it sounds like self disappointment in the lack of competition. It seems like they're not. Something's not clicking. They're not competing at a high level and certainly you've got Olympian level players who are just not consistent from game to game. And I think with the Aces, and this has been something we've talked about before, that it's been a deterioration over the course of seasons for them that now culminates in this. But coming off of the unrivaled season in Miami, boy, I thought Chelsea Gray was about to bust everybody in the W. Mind you, there's still time and Jewel Lloyd, the trade hasn't looked comfortable yet for her and the team. So we shall see.
Logan
I think they just need to fully clear house and start over. To be honest, at this point because Nobody that you bring in can replicate, and I think I've said this so many times, can replicate the winning teams that you had. That's something that they keep on trying to chase, but they have got to change their vision somehow because it's never going to happen unless you bring back all of the players that you got rid of. And we all know that's not happening.
Rosa
And coaches and.
Logan
Oh, my gosh. Yes, especially that. And I'm interested to see. Well, I guess we'll never know how much of a contribution it had, but Natalie Nikasi is killing it with the Valkyries over there. Tyler Marsh.
Rosa
They are overachieving. Valkyries are overachieving. Yes. Exceeded expectations for the belts.
Logan
Oh, absolutely. Especially as an expansion team. We all. That's all the teams that we have today. And it'll be interesting to see what they do for the rest of the season. Maybe we could play like a reminiscing on Love island type of version, kind of getting close to playoffs, but yeah, let's wrap it up.
Rosa
Okay. So all the teams that underachieved and went below expectations, they are now single and vulnerable on League Island. Tune in next week. Nah, but this was fun. Thank you all for tuning in. We bring the show to you worldwide, wherever we are. But by next week, I'll be back in the States. But thanks for rocking out with good follow presented by Giraffe Kings, where every Tuesday and Thursday, subscribe, follow the socials and we'll see you next week.
Logan
Bye, y'. All.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz: Episode Summary
Title: Good Follow - WNBPA Rejects WNBA CBA Offer, WNBPA Conspiracy Theories + League Island Confessionals & More
Release Date: July 10, 2025
In this episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz," hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve into the intricate dynamics of the WNBA, exploring the recent rejection of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) offer by the WNBA Players Association (WNBPA). They also navigate through emerging conspiracy theories surrounding the negotiations and engage listeners with their unique game, "League Island Confessionals." The discussion is enriched with insights into team performances, player sentiments, and the broader implications for the league's future.
Rejection of CBA Offer
The episode kicks off with a deep dive into the recent developments in the WNBA's CBA negotiations. Last week, the WNBA players, represented by the WNBPA, rejected the first CBA offer from the league, deeming it inadequate.
Brianna Stewart, WNBA PA Vice President, states at [03:49]:
"I think we can focus on our players in the union. We got a proposal from the league, which was honestly a slap in the face."
Union Representative Sati Sabli adds:
(Referenced by Stugotz)
Financial Concerns and Player Compensation
A significant point of contention revolves around player compensation, particularly regarding earnings from All-Star game participation.
"The WNBA gives players $202,575 for playing in a game, regardless of if they're starter or Reserve. [...] It should 100% be more than $202,575 for being an All-Star."
Public Perception and Media Pressure
The hosts discuss the intense media scrutiny and public pressure on the WNBA, emphasizing the challenges faced by the league in balancing expansion with fair player treatment.
"The league has a lot of pressure on them too, with taking on new teams coming in at price points of $250 million. You want to sustain the momentum."
Amidst the negotiations, a conspiracy theory dubbed "Unrivaled Gate" surfaces, alleging collusion among WNBPA leaders to orchestrate a lockout.
"Brianna Stewart and Nafisa Collier's involvement in Unrivaled, a league benefiting from a WNBA lockout."
Hosts' Analysis and Rebuttal
The hosts swiftly debunk the theory, clarifying roles and motivations of the involved parties.
Rosa counters at [09:51]:
"Stewie has always been player-first in her motives over the years... It's faceless these accusations."
Logan adds at [11:15]:
"Unrivaled is an off-season league meant to complement the WNBA, not undermine it."
Conclusion on Conspiracy Theory
Both hosts agree that the conspiracy lacks substantive evidence and appears to stem from misinformation and internet drama rather than factual foundations.
Transitioning to a lighter segment, the hosts introduce "League Island Confessionals," a game blending WNBA insights with the popular TV show "Love Island." They evaluate various WNBA teams based on whether they have met, exceeded, or fallen below expectations.
Rosa's Analysis at [16:02]:
"Met expectations to be sitting at the All-Star break with room to improve and grow at the 4th seed."
Logan concurs at [17:48]:
"Met expectations. Still room to grow because I want to see this grow."
Key Points:
Rosa's Insight at [20:15]:
"Meeting expectations with the team showing strong performances from key players like Alicia Gray and Brianna Jones."
Logan agrees at [21:31]:
"Meeting expectations with room to grow, similar to Seattle."
Key Points:
Rosa's Evaluation at [23:00]:
"Below expectations due to injuries and team drama affecting performance."
Logan's Reflection at [24:34]:
"Falling below expectations despite high initial projections and roster strength."
Key Points:
Rosa's Opinion at [25:54]:
"Below expectations with inconsistent performances despite having top talents like Asia Wilson."
Logan's Thoughts at [26:53]:
"Need to restructure as current strategies aren't yielding desired results."
Key Points:
Rosa's Conclusion at [27:28]:
"Exceeded expectations as an expansion team, led by Natalie Nkanasi."
Logan's Agreement at [27:34]:
"Surpassing predictions and showing strong potential moving forward."
Key Points:
The episode wraps up with the hosts summarizing the performances of the discussed teams, highlighting those that have underperformed and how they stand vulnerable in the metaphorical "League Island." They emphasize the importance of upcoming negotiations and team strategies in shaping the WNBA's trajectory.
Rosa wraps up at [27:51]:
"All the teams that underachieved are now single and vulnerable on League Island."
Logan adds encouragement at [28:20]:
"Bye, y'all."
CBA Rejection: The WNBPA has rejected the league's initial CBA offer, citing it as insufficient and a "slap in the face," prompting intense negotiations focused on player compensation and league revenue shares.
Conspiracy Theories: Allegations of collusion among WNBPA leaders lack evidence, with hosts clarifying the genuine intent behind off-season leagues like Unrivaled to support, not undermine, the WNBA.
Team Evaluations: Through "League Island Confessionals," hosts provided insightful evaluations of WNBA teams, highlighting areas of success and concern, and underscoring the dynamic nature of the league's competitive landscape.
Future Implications: The ongoing CBA negotiations and team performances will significantly influence the WNBA's growth, sustainability, and public perception moving forward.
This episode offers a comprehensive examination of current issues within the WNBA, enriched by the hosts' engaging commentary and interactive segments, making it a valuable listen for sports enthusiasts and followers of the league.