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Dan LeBatard
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Billy Gill
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Dan LeBatard
Stugac just muttered under his breath, kind of defeated, kind of jealous. He saw Dave Annable there on the screen and said, man, good looking guy.
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Chris Cote
And am I lying?
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Dan LeBatard
No, you're not lying. He was ranked number seven on People magazine's list of sexiest men alive.
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Chris Cote
Wow.
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Dan LeBatard
So he top five technically. What are you saying?
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Jeremy Tache
Outside of top five?
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Dan LeBatard
Outside of the top five looking in.
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Billy Gill
What'S the point of you being on the list? Seven.
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Chris Cote
If you're seven.
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Dan LeBatard
Dave, thank you for joining us. What is the point of being on the list if you're just seven? Billy knows because he's often in the top five of all sexy lists.
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Dave Annable
You know, here's the deal, actually, I was on page seven, you know, so I don't know if I really was in the top 10. It just happened like that got out. I might have started it, but yeah, you know, it's really. I don't think I was in the.
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Dan LeBatard
Top 10 at all for the people who do not know. I don't know if they associate you with Yellowstone. Brothers and sisters. Lioness. When people want to come and talk to you, it's probably not about Yellowstone, right?
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Dave Annable
Well, they do. It's just to really bust on me, you know, like, oh, you died in Act 4 of the Most popular show on the planet. And I, you know, I say thank you for reminding me. You know, I do have a Yellowstone sticker on my truck. I'm really holding on. You know, I'm really trying to grasp onto that as long as possible.
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Dan LeBatard
What did you think the show was going to be in its initial stages? And how crazy is Costner about these Westerns that he would, like, gamble his homes to make western stuff outside of Yellowstone?
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Dave Annable
Yeah, you know, that, that, that's a whole. That's a whole wild leather story. But, you know, I, I sort of knew going in that I was gonna die, right? You know, so obviously I read the script. What I didn't know is how fun. Whoops. I mean, it's been out for five years, you know, I mean, catch up, you know. But, you know, I did know I was gonna die. What I did know is, like, how much fun, like, being a cowboy would be. I'm from New York, so, like being on a horse in Montana and, you know, Utah and like, with everybody, I was like, yo, I don't. I don't want to die at all. Like, this is way too fun. So, you know, we're shooting my death scene and I got all the fake blood and everything. I'm like, wait, no, this is makeup. You know, guys, like, I'm. I'm going to live. This is fine. Please, please don't kill me. I started a whole Save Dave campaign. It was one member me, you know, I'm still holding on. I was like, you know, any flashbacks? And Taylor's like, nah, could be a.
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Jeremy Tache
Force ghost, maybe come back as a ghost telling, you know, talking.
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Dave Annable
Yeah, yeah. You know, I did pop back for. For one little scene and in season four in the finale, and it was, you know, it was just so great. I mean, everybody there is. I mean, they're like the Beatles now. The cast, it's crazy. I did a stage coach with them and, you know, they couldn't walk around at all. And, you know, I was trying to get recognized. I was like, hey, you know, once a Dutton, you know, and they were all like, yeah, Lee, you know, first seven minutes.
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Dan LeBatard
So you guys knew you had a hit, though, when, like, when. I never understood how it is that that show grew that quickly when you have to seek out your entertainment. And I was wondering what that show was doing that it's word of mouth arrived at. Hey, this is the most popular show in America.
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Dave Annable
Yeah, I think, you know, my take, which means nothing on this is there's, there's so there's so many things to watch out there. And you know, nowadays I think it really is kind of those word of mouth shows, you know, things that are, are really, you know, catching on. Water cooler and then Covid. I think Yellowstone really blew up in Covid. I mean, everyone's home, you know, everyone plowed through Tug, Tiger, King and just had, you know, something else to watch. And I think Yellowstone, you know, it's fantastic. And Taylor is, you know, the best in the business right now. So it's, you know, and they're on their, they're on their final season. So. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a great show. You know, Cowboys, Costner, you know, it's awesome.
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Dan LeBatard
You, you're a Giants fan. A New York Giants fan.
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Dave Annable
Don't say that out loud. Don't say that out loud.
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Dan LeBatard
New York Mets fan as well.
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Chris Cote
That's an odd combination, by the way. It is, yeah.
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Dave Annable
It's usually Mets, jets, you know, and you know, I did, I chose. The Giants are great. You know, they were. I mean, you know, we got two Super Bowls in there with, with Eli, but I mean, man, what happened, we're in a, we're in a real rebuilding stage, you know, and obviously the news just came out. They're benching Jones, you know, third string. What, what's your take on that? I mean, are we trying to lose? We're trying to get a pick. Yeah.
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Jeremy Tache
Dave, let me help you out here. As a fellow Giants fan. We are the best, best fan base in the world. You know why? Because every day you and I are roughly the same age every decade of our lives, they've won a Super bowl. They won one in the 80s, they won one in the 90s, they won one in 2000s, one in the 2010s. We still got six more years of the 2020, right?
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Chris Cote
Guys are really roughing it, dude.
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Jeremy Tache
I'm telling you, as long as they win a Super bowl in the next like five years, we're fine. We've got one every decade and then we coast the rest of the time.
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Dave Annable
I buy that. I buy that. You know, who's it going to be? Who's our, who's our qb? Who's going to lead us to the promised land? Can we get Eli back.
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Dan LeBatard
How do you end up feeling about that when it happens to you a couple of days ago? Because your allegiances to football are greater than they are to the other sports, are they not?
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Dave Annable
Yes. I mean, football and baseball, you know, I. I'm a huge Mets fan, and we had a. We had quite a ride this year, you know, and it was fine. We came up short, but, like, man, we had some moxie, you know, we had some real fight in us, which was exciting. We needed it. It's been a long time since we could cheer for those guys. So, yeah, you know, I. It's. It's easier to turn the Giants off nowadays, you know, watch the red zone, you know, catch up on my fantasy, because I'm like, they're just. They're real bad, you know, and so.
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Dan LeBatard
You get the Daniel Jones news, and you're hopeless about the future. You're like, I'm done with him. I don't think he can play anymore.
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Chris Cote
I'm guessing he's excited about it. No more Daniel Jones.
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Dave Annable
Yeah. You know, it was tough because I was. I was kind of a believer, and I was like, I'll give this guy a shot, you know, But I feel like we've seen enough. You know, he's had enough real estate, and. And maybe it's going to be a change of scenery for him or something, because I'm always cheer for guys, but, like, you know, it ain't it. You know, it really. It's. I think it is time to move on. You know, we paid him over Barclay, you know, it's not like he's crushing it in our division or anything. Are these real tears?
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Jeremy Tache
I guess I was going to ask, what does it feel like to watch Saquon Barkley do what he's doing for the Eagles?
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Dave Annable
Well, he's on all three of my fantasy teams, so I don't really mind.
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Chris Cote
It, you know, but you hedge your feelings. I like that. Yeah, I.
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Dave Annable
You know, I'm like, yo, this guy, you know, he needed a team. You know, he needed a young team, a great line, but it's tough to watch. But again, you know, I'd rather see him, you know, sort of go off and succeed than, like, just be on a bad team the whole time, you know?
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Izzy Gutierrez
Dave, like myself, you seem to be somebody who has embraced your graying hair. Right. Silvering hair, if you will. Mine, if it grew out, would look pretty much very similar to yours. I get compliments on my hair color more than anything else. Why is it that everybody else has Missed out and gray has been the way to go this whole time.
- [08:39]
Dave Annable
You know, that's. That's a. That's a great question. I mean, it makes me look, like, somewhat intelligent, like I could read or something. And I'm really. I'm really riding this, you know. Thank you. No, it's really, you know, really went and fast forward went to married a Cuban, and now, you know, it's really all. I got to be honest. You know, that's. It's my only calling card, so I got this.
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Dan LeBatard
Did you learn any Spanish marrying a Cuban?
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Dave Annable
You know, it was. It was in. It was in our. It was in our wedding vows. And I really. You know, if she were here, she would say, I need to learn some more. But, you know, it's great because we go to her house in. In Merino Valley, and, you know, there's like a. Every barbecue is like, 150 Cubans. You know, there's like, two other white guys, you know, speaking English, and everybody else is just speaking Spanish. And it's, you know, this really just fun, beautiful family. And, you know, it's great. Do they learn it.
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Dan LeBatard
Do they call you gringo? Gringo?
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Dave Annable
Yeah. You know, that's what that means. No, I. No, they don't talk to me, actually, ever. Okay.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah, they're talking Spanish. Yeah.
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Dave Annable
Every time I'm there, I'm meeting, like, a new family member that my wife's. I'm like, who's that?
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Dan LeBatard
She's like, that's the way that goes with Hispanic families. Did you get the Yellowstone gig? Because you just look like a cowboy. You don't identify as a cowboy. You're not. You're not the cowboy type, but you do. If I. If I'm just looking at you and you walk into a room. Room, I'm like, that guy. I can make that person a cowboy.
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Jeremy Tache
He identifies as a giant, then.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
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Dave Annable
Yeah. A sad, sad giant. No, you know, it was funny because I, you know, obviously, I'm from New York, and Taylor happened to be my wife's old acting coach. And, you know, I was running a scene with her for a show I was on at the time, and she had this really, like, sort of confused, sad look on her face. She's like, have you ever tried coaching? And, like, it sounded personal, but she introduced me to Taylor and, you know, we had started coaching together on the show. And basically when Yellowstone came around, I saw that he wrote it and was Costner, and then I was supposed to be, like, the best cowboy. And I was like, oh, you know Like, I'm not, I'm not. I gotta pass on this. Like, you know, I've been on a horse twice in my life and out of nowhere, because I hadn't spoken to him in years, he calls my wife and he says, why did your man just pass on the audition for Yellowstone? It's like Kevin Costner, apparently. And he starts giving her all this, you know, all this crap. And she's like, dave, we got to, we got to put you on tape for Yellowstone, like, today. I was like, okay, let's do it. And, you know, and then I got it. And, you know, Taylor called and I was like, sir, I'm going to be completely honest with you. Like, I don't know how to ride a horse, you know, properly. And he's like, we'll get you on a horse tomorrow. And then from that day on, you know, for like, literally two months, I was on a horse every day. And we were in cowboy camp in the mountains of Utah and Montana. And it was like this, you know, incredible experience that I had that I, you know, forever. Just will cherish.
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Billy Gill
A lot of work to get killed in three episodes. I just hire someone that can ride a horse. Waste money, Billy.
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Jeremy Tache
I was like, how bad was he at riding a horse? And like, we gotta kill his character day one.
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Dave Annable
They're like, no, no, he's dead. We're gonna change this all up. No, no, we're gonna shoot him in the chest.
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Dan LeBatard
What has been the experience on Lioness? It's a weird time in Hollywood. The season two is out now on Paramount. Plus, what has been the experience being involved with series Lioness?
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Dave Annable
You know, it's. It's great. You know, if I'm going to be honest with you, it's, you know, Taylor right now is sort of top in the business in television and, you know, he's got this incredible knack for writing dialogue and characters and relationships and. And, you know, it's. It's espionage. It's Zoe Zeldana, Morgan Freeman, Nicole Kidman, and Michael Kelly. And, you know, I get to play Zoe's husband. Doesn't suck. So, you know, that's. It's really been a great ride. And I feel like this is again, one of those sort of water cooler shows that are. Is starting to spread and I think people are really enjoying it and, and, yeah, you know, go for the ride here. Let's see what happens.
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Stugatz
Is it easier to ride a lion?
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Chris Cote
Jesus Christ.
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Dave Annable
You know, there was a lot of jokes there, but I, you know, just, you know.
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Chris Cote
He chose the Bad one.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah, he chose the one of all the good ones that were there. He rejected all of them and decided to go with that one.
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Stugatz
You ain't lying, freight.
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Dave Annable
Oh, there you go.
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Chris Cote
No, no, no, no, no. Do not encourage him.
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Dave Annable
I'm sorry. Yeah, it got me.
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Billy Gill
I'll be honest with you guys. I feel like Dave isn't doing a good job of selling this to you. The show's called Lioness, but it's called Special Ops. Colon, Lioness.
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Chris Cote
That's all it takes to.
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Billy Gill
Lots of machine guns here, lots of spies.
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Dan LeBatard
That's all you need, right, in order to get him interested in any of this stuff.
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Stugatz
So no lines.
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Dan LeBatard
Need some Special Ops. I don't think there are Lions. No.
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Jeremy Tache
Maybe disappointed.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah, he seems upset about that. Can you take us through what your Mets experience was this year? Was. It was like. Obviously it was better than a lot of years, but it still ends in heartbreak.
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Dave Annable
Yeah, you know, I mean, I think at one point, what, we were 17 and a half games back, you know, like in June or something like that. And, you know, to. To be that far back and then sort of, you know, the end of the season, the Braves, that Monday, you know, the only two teams playing and trying to get their way in. It was so exciting. I was literally in school pickup. And I was late. I'm sorry, kid. When she sees this. I was late, you know, because I was. I was watching the game.
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Izzy Gutierrez
I.
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Dave Annable
You know, I'm screaming, I'm texting. And then, you know, the Braves came back, and then the blah, blah, blah. The Mets won. And, you know, it was great because I got. My. My wife was on board for the whole playoff run. My kids. And we're sitting around watching the Mets, and, you know, this team, like, didn't quit. They really didn't quit. And, you know, they had so much grit and fight, and it was exciting to get behind them. It's been a while, so it was, you know, I think we got. We got great prospects for next year. Do we get Soto? I don't know. You know, who's getting Soto?
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Dan LeBatard
Fans love. Love to identify with grit. Fans love when they love a gritty team, when their teams are gritty. You also love this dugouts. Listen to this description. Lioness is about a CIA special ops team led by former military specialists willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives for their country. Annabel plays Dr. Neil McNamara, pediatric oncology surgeon and husband to Joe, a doctor.
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Chris Cote
Amazing.
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Dave Annable
A doc.
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Chris Cote
It's the hairs.
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Billy Gill
It is the hair.
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Dan LeBatard
It is. It is. It's Exceptional hair. You also. You also look a bit like Ryan Reynolds if he had more gray hair.
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Dave Annable
Like I. Yeah, if you were older. Yeah. And like, just softer, you know.
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Chris Cote
He's got a Clooney vibe to him.
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Dan LeBatard
Wow, those are.
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Chris Cote
I know it when I see fawning.
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Dan LeBatard
All over you right now. Ryan Reynolds and Clooney. This is good company. You should have finished higher than seventh in 2007 on People magazine.
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Dave Annable
On page five.
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Chris Cote
Do you know the six guys in front of you? Do you know them off the top of your head?
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Dave Annable
I want to. I want to get to know, you know, I want to get in that studio. I mean, you know, I got my fan club.
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Dan LeBatard
Dave, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate the time again, Season two out now on Paramount. Plus Lioness is the name of the show. Enjoyed the time, sir.
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Dave Annable
Oh, thank you. And thanks for having me, guys. And big fan. So keep it going.
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Dan LeBatard
Thank you.
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Dave Annable
All right, bye, guys. Thank you.
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Billy Gill
Stugats more muscular.
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Chris Cote
I have lost ten pounds.
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Billy Gill
Have you?
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Chris Cote
Yeah, using my peloton. I've had the peloton in my house. So my daughter, she wanted me to get a peloton.
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Billy Gill
I did.
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Chris Cote
She used it a couple of times.
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Billy Gill
Great endorsement.
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Chris Cote
But once she left the college and the peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I gotta use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy.
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Billy Gill
So I started using peloton as a bike. Obviously that's like what they're known for. But recently I discovered all of the other classes that they have, they have like a series of weightlifting classes. They have programs which for me, the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not, I just go and I pick a class at random. And I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything.
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Chris Cote
I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class.
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Billy Gill
Okay.
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Chris Cote
It's the Grateful Dead class.
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Billy Gill
By the way, you do like a four week core program with Emma Lovewell, Right? I would recommend that one.
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Chris Cote
Okay.
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Billy Gill
Anyone can do that. Any level. Starts out, you know, easy, and then you work your way up. And then there's like a Core Program 2 that you can do after Core Program 1 if you want to do that. Yeah. If you graduate.
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Chris Cote
Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course.
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Billy Gill
Well, you can start a course too, if you want, but I eased my way in. I did course one first. And you can do some Strength classes with Andy. Love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know anything about Peloton Stugotts? What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk.
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Chris Cote
Really?
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Billy Gill
Yeah.
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Chris Cote
Do they talk the Talk?
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Billy Gill
They have sub 3 hour marathon runner coaches, they have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches and so many other well rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes. You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately.
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Chris Cote
You're my teacher.
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Billy Gill
Am I? Yeah, you know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so then I don't have to think because I don't know, I don't actually know what I'm doing anyways. What's the like Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called?
- [18:19]
Chris Cote
Yes.
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Billy Gill
The one where you go and you're like lifting atlas giant boulders.
- [18:23]
Chris Cote
Yeah.
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Billy Gill
We should talk to Magnus again.
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Chris Cote
That's Mr. Olympia.
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Billy Gill
Yeah.
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Chris Cote
Yes.
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Billy Gill
What did I say Olympus? Did I?
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Chris Cote
I don't know.
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Billy Gill
Anyways, find your push, find your power with peloton@1peloton.com Don LeBatard it sounds to.
- [18:37]
Stugatz
Me like everybody could use a hug because a hug is always the right size.
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Dan LeBatard
All I have put in my body.
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Stugatz
Today is three cups of coffee and.
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Dan LeBatard
An entire cup of thought of.
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Stugatz
Don't let him fool you. He said in the break that he's jittery.
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Billy Gill
This is the Dan Levatar show with these two gods.
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Dan LeBatard
We're going to get to an easy Gutierrez, back in my gay in a second.
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Chris Cote
What a wonderful man. Yes, I love him.
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Dan LeBatard
Yes, we all fell in love there. Just staring into the lagoons that he has for eyes. Can you tell me Billy, because I'm not. I've heard you guys talking about this for a couple of days and I don't know the story. The Paul Skene's card offer, the Pirates fireballer who's the rookie of the year and nobody can hit him and he's got a tremendous mustache. What is the card offer? It's a baseball card offer.
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Billy Gill
So tops has done this thing where like when a rookie makes their debut, they have a little rookie debut MLB debut patch, right? And then they take that patch off of the jersey and then they put it in a card and then they autograph the card. Now it's a one of one. So it's a. It's a rare situation every Rookie presumably gets one of these made. Paul Skenes, as you guys are well aware, is a rookie sensation from lsu, plays for the Pirates. Pittsburgh stays in all the nicest Hampton Inn, and he won rookie of the year two days ago. Now, the Pirates seemingly want this card back, but they don't know where the card is. It gets put out in a pack. Or if you go into the card truthers, you find out that some of the best cards get leaked to some of the more famous collectors. That's just what the truthers out there are saying about the underbelly of the card world. Says that maybe there's some favoritism there and they can kind of actually control where those things go. And it's not just, oh, Billy Gill opens up a box at topped and gets the Paul Skeens card. Not exactly how it seems to work.
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Izzy Gutierrez
That's how you talk in the underbelly anyway.
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Dan LeBatard
I love that character. Anyways, underbelly under Billy the under. Billy is a good character.
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Billy Gill
Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I know we. I know we indulge in some Tom Fuller here, some shenanigans and the likes, but I don't want any part with the dark world of the card collectors. So do not enlist me in this battle, my friend. I want no part of being in wars with the underworld of the card collection game.
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Chris Cote
Anyway, seems like you inserted yourself. I mean. Okay, sorry. I'm sorry.
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Billy Gill
Anywho. So here's the thing. The card is out there, and the Pirates want said card. And they've made insane offers to the person who finds the card and then gives them this card. So they've offered two pirate season tickets behind home plate for the next 30 years. Is one of the things on there a softball game for 30 at PNC park, plus coaching from Pirates alumni, a spring training experience like no other. Private tour of the Pirates spring training facility. Two Paul Skeens autographed jerseys. Meet and greet with Paul Skene. Batting practice, warm up with the team and other unique experiences. Then Livy, Paul's girlfriend, has said, you will also be sitting in a suite with me for a game if you give us this card. So the value of this card now just in these things that they're giving you, is millions of dollars. Like 30 seasons of season tickets behind home plate. Should you flip them? I don't know if you can. I'm assuming you can, even though they probably wouldn't want you to. You can get millions of dollars over 30 years for this card.
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Chris Cote
It is the Pirates, though.
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Dan LeBatard
It is, but 30 years behind home plate is going to be expensive. And when you mentioned reselling them, didn't Joey Porter Jr. S family sell his will call tickets for $400 and just tailgate? And they were quoted as saying, we've seen him play, we know that kid can do. We don't need to, we don't need to watch that again. There's a lot of money in what it is that you're talking about behind home place, even if it is the Pirates. But what is this card actually worth? Because obviously this is based on the idea that it's not just that the card is valuable and exclusive because only there's only one. It's also based on the idea that this guy is going to be an all time baseball player. That this, that this card is going to be one of one for a player that is going to dominate baseball if he does not get injured.
- [23:02]
Billy Gill
Well, so if you, if you get the card, it would greatly benefit you to live in the Pittsburgh area and be a Pirates fan. Right? Because if someone in, you know, I don't know, California gets this card, 30 years of Pittsburgh Pirate season tickets are pretty worthless.
- [23:16]
Dan LeBatard
A punishment, more reward.
- [23:17]
Billy Gill
Well, even if Paul Skeens by the way pans out, you will be, you will be married to the Pirates longer than Paul Skeens will. Like you will be going to Pirates games much longer than Paul Skeens career, by far. Two or three times his career possibly.
- [23:30]
Stugatz
I texted David about this. He says if Skeens is a Hall of Famer, it's a bargain. If he blows out and fizzles out another story like, well, tell me who.
- [23:38]
Dan LeBatard
The guys are when you think of these names. Brian Taylor, Kerry Wood, people who were going to be Paul Skenes. But the human arm isn't meant to continue throwing baseballs at that rate of speed.
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Chris Cote
Mark Pryor, Cubs had two of them.
- [23:50]
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, the Cubs had two guys like this.
- [23:52]
Jeremy Tache
That's.
- [23:53]
Dan LeBatard
That debuted this way where you thought they're going to be winning 20 games a season for 10 seasons.
- [23:59]
Billy Gill
Strasberg to an extent, right. Like he had a good career, he won a World Series, but he didn't live up to greatest pitcher ever hype just because of injuries.
- [24:07]
Chris Cote
He was the World Series mvp, wasn't he?
- [24:09]
Billy Gill
Yeah, I mean he, I think, yeah, but he still felt, I mean it's like the argument is like Andrew Luck, like Andrew Luck, if you look at what he did, was kind of a disappointment in the NFL compared to what you thought he would be. And it was just because of Injuries derailing his career.
- [24:23]
Chris Cote
I would say Matt Harvey is another one. It's a great one when you're fake ace.
- [24:28]
Dan LeBatard
When you're mentioning Strasberg though, I don't think we're allowed to say Strasberg's career was a success only because the expectations were in this place where this is going to be an all time dominant person. Not a major leaguer for seven years who is serviceable, but somebody who is going to be unhittable in the sport for 10 to 15 years.
- [24:51]
Jeremy Tache
Yeah, but like when you win a world, I feel like that kind of mitigates a lot of the disappointment. Especially for a franchise like the Nationals. They don't have anything and you crush.
- [25:01]
Chris Cote
It during that postseason.
- [25:02]
Jeremy Tache
Absolutely, yes.
- [25:03]
Billy Gill
I think in his debut, Bobby Q was calling the game and said he was going to be a Hall of Famer in his first game.
- [25:08]
Dan LeBatard
Strasberg was supposed to be one of the best pitchers ever. Whether you win a title or not and win a World Series MVP or not. Because of where the expectations were, that career can be considered nothing but a disappointment. If Skeens has Strasberg's career even now, it will be considered a disappointment even if it wins a World Series title. In Pittsburgh.
- [25:26]
Chris Cote
He did play 12 seasons. He was 113 and 62 with a 3, 24 ERA. But I agree with you.
- [25:32]
Dan LeBatard
Like you're right, I'm not.
- [25:33]
Chris Cote
The expectations were set at such a ridiculous spot.
- [25:36]
Dan LeBatard
This is not an indictment of Strasberg's career. It's an indictment of the expectations for Strasburg and an underestimation of what it is that the ravages of throwing a baseball that hard does to the human body.
- [25:47]
Stugatz
It's going to be interesting to see with Skins too because we've entered this age of starting pitchers not really throwing that deep into games. So when you go and end up looking at his stats, dugouts like he's not going to have. No matter how long he pitches, he's probably not going to have that many.
- [26:01]
Dan LeBatard
Oh no. But he goes. He'll throw 100 pitches and go six or seven. Yeah, for now.
- [26:06]
Chris Cote
Right.
- [26:06]
Dan LeBatard
And he's probably going to get hurt because they all get hurt. Very few of them go. In fact, he hasn't had the Tommy John that he needs to have yet. Right. Because they all have to have Tommy John. So they could come back as the second version of the.
- [26:18]
Stugatz
Sandy's the perfect example.
- [26:19]
Dan LeBatard
Because again, it's not a tenable human act to continue to throw a baseball that hard.
- [26:24]
Billy Gill
Going back to Strauss So his career was 13 years, but it was really only 10. Right. Like all of his production was in those first 10 years. And then 2020 to 2022 was just constant injury high era. He just wasn't playing very much. He never really got to be himself again.
- [26:39]
Dan LeBatard
That list of things that. Who is it that wants it that badly?
- [26:43]
Stugatz
I love the idea of someone being like, well, you do get a softball game with all your friends. So now I really want in on this. The 30 years of season tickets, they're fine, but I get to play a softball game with all my friends.
- [26:54]
Billy Gill
Well, it's on their field. I think for me it's like a tour of the spring training facility.
- [26:57]
Stugatz
Ty Wigginton is going to be my coach.
- [26:59]
Billy Gill
Oh, dude.
- [27:01]
Chris Cote
But I feel like anyone can get a tour of the spring training facility.
- [27:05]
Billy Gill
Not for free.
- [27:06]
Chris Cote
This is not what you keep the card, hold on to the card for somebody's hand. That's what you do. Leverage.
- [27:11]
Stugatz
I'm at least putting it on. I guess if you put it on ebay, you have to actually go through with it.
- [27:14]
Chris Cote
I want to see what the ebay.
- [27:16]
Billy Gill
Market is better than. 30 years value of season tickets.
- [27:19]
Stugatz
You can start a bid on ebay and then just. If you're not happy with what you're getting, just end it.
- [27:24]
Jeremy Tache
The problem is, yes, you can. But the problem, Billy, is 30 years of season tickets to the Pirates.
- [27:29]
Billy Gill
It's a commitment, man. 30 years. I had, I had one season of full season tickets because I was tricked into thinking that's the only way I could go to the all star game.
- [27:37]
Stugatz
They got me too. I think Billy and I both had season tickets.
- [27:40]
Billy Gill
I had 81 that year. It was, dude, I go havesies with someone. No. So I did, I went, I. I split it with my family. We had five season tickets for 81 games. And we were like the first section where the price was like. And dropped. And I was like, okay, I can do this, brother. I was on there. I was on there in the secondary market, wheeling and dealing. I felt alive that season.
- [28:09]
Dave Annable
Oh, really?
- [28:10]
Billy Gill
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
- [28:12]
Jeremy Tache
I was gonna say it was probably disappointing because now you're realizing it's all a fire sale when you're on there.
- [28:17]
Billy Gill
No, I was wheeling and dealing. I was on there all day long. I was there setting the prices, raising it, lowering it. Then I'd go out weeks ahead and be like, oh, the Cubs are coming to town, by the way. I don't like the Cubs. I don't like Joe Madden. Thank goodness for them winning the World series the year before because, ooh, that made me. Oh yeah, that three game series coming to town. And it was a weekend series. Oh my gosh. Let me tell you something. Weekend prices, Mets prices, Cubs prices, another level. I only found out like a month left in the season that I had all these vouchers that I could use in addition to my tickets. Had I known that, oh, I could have made a pretty penny. Speaking of the Pirates on the Pirate season, on the Pirate series that second weekend of the regular season. Oh, I would have made all my money back. I, I'm telling you, you would have.
- [29:01]
Jeremy Tache
Made your money back for the year.
- [29:03]
Billy Gill
I damn near broke even wheeling and dealing and I went to like 20 plus games. I felt alive. Oh, I went to the all star game. Hell yeah, I went to the all.
- [29:10]
Jeremy Tache
Star game if you didn't.
- [29:10]
Billy Gill
So I did. Yeah. Oh, if I didn't go to the all star game, that's what I did it for. That was the last of the good all star games. Not the game itself. Even though I went to X ratings. That was the last of the good home run derbies. And I stand by that comment, Aaron. Judge Marlin's Park. That was a great home run derby.
- [29:25]
Dan LeBatard
Billy, I have rarely seen you felt you heard you more alive than when you make the word brother rhyme with udder like a cow's udder and you make it brudder.
- [29:39]
Billy Gill
I may have like a verbal tick or something. Maybe making fun of a disability. No, you were also sick under the weather.
- [29:44]
Dan LeBatard
You are sick, but you were summoning the confidence of, of Hulk Hogan there. I feel like that if I arrived at the gates of hell and I'm like, oh no, this is terrible. And then they swung open and they're like 30 years of pirates tickets. You have to go to all of the games with our briles. I'm like, I don't know if I could handle 30 years of pirates.
- [30:11]
Billy Gill
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Stugatz
Sugar Daddies these things I'm telling you love sugar daddy. I like stuck in your teeth like you can't chew them. They're like impossible to chew. They are impossible to chew every day.
- [32:38]
Billy Gill
Stugats this is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. After one of wheeling and dealing I I like talked to my family. I go this was fun. I'm glad we had this moment. I cannot do this for another season. It's it's too much. I was at the hospital at the ER one day trying to figure out I didn't want the tickets to go unused. So if I couldn't sell them, then I'm offering them to people because I didn't want them to go unused. It felt like a waste of money. So I'm like in the er, like, hey, anyone want to go to the Marlins game today? Can't make it. Who wants to take these tickets?
- [33:11]
Jeremy Tache
Dude, I'm going to tell you, when I used to work for the Atlanta Hawks, we would get tickets like in the lower bowl, good ass seats. And I couldn't give them away. I was like, it's like, hey, the Mavericks are coming to town. Dirk Nowitzki. They're one of the best teams in the league. Nope, the only tickets that were worth anything were Lakers, Shaq and Kobe, Sixers, Allen Iverson, Knicks, because it's Atlanta and they're a bunch of New York people.
- [33:34]
Izzy Gutierrez
There has never been any sort of atmosphere in Phillips arena at ever.
- [33:38]
Dan LeBatard
Did you guys see by the way, House to got sprung to life. Sprung to life when he could just shout into the microphones, you gotta force somebody's hand leverage.
- [33:49]
Jeremy Tache
Oh man, I love that. I thought we were gonna follow that thread, to be honest.
- [33:52]
Chris Cote
They're not offering enough. I mean, they're not for. It's one of one. This is not a one of one experience. They're offering. I mean, 17 other thousand fans. 17,000 fans have pirate season tickets. Tickets. That's a lot. That seems like it's too many. 5,000 fans.
- [34:10]
Stugatz
30 years of season tickets behind home plate and we're laughing at it. This is a great deal. What are you guys talking about?
- [34:16]
Chris Cote
There was a collectible shop that offered someone $250,000 for the card if they bring it.
- [34:21]
Stugatz
I think that's less. That's less than 30 years of ticket.
- [34:25]
Billy Gill
30 years.
- [34:26]
Jeremy Tache
Pirates tickets.
- [34:27]
Stugatz
It's first. It's like behind home plate. What if you're a Pirates fan? I read that this is like in the millions of value.
- [34:34]
Dan LeBatard
It is in the millions of value. Billy just got done saying it's in the millions of value. And I do think that I speak for the general entitlement of this show as a sports consuming commodity that we would arrive at your 30 years of tickets and be like, don't think I want them. Don't think. Do I have to go to all the Pirates games? Because I think most people listening to this would say that they don't want to go to all the Pirates game.
- [35:02]
Billy Gill
They don't want to.
- [35:03]
Dan LeBatard
A lot of those tickets are going to be resold to others because they just don't want to watch Pirates baseball.
- [35:07]
Izzy Gutierrez
And you heard Billy stress just selling the tickets is stressful. So you have to wait every year to sell them. It's not worth it.
- [35:14]
Billy Gill
You're taking a lot. You're taking a loss on this. You're never going to get value. You're never going to get face value, like right behind home plate. Let's say they sell Those tickets like $5,000 a game or something. You're obviously never going to get $5,000. Also here's another thing and here's kind of what I was running into to. It's not good for your health to go to 81 baseball games a year. Like it's just. And it's not because you could. It's not like a shot at the team or the product or whatever. Like imagine 81 days of stadium food and then you're like a 10 game home stand and it's like 10 straight days. I'm going. And it's like, am I eating a hot dog? Am I eating nachos today? Like, what am I eating? What am I drinking?
- [35:50]
Stugatz
Like I'm in heaven right now.
- [35:52]
Billy Gill
Human body was not made to do this.
- [35:55]
Stugatz
Guys, you're forgetting about, about the softball game with your friends coached by Tony Womack and Ty Wigginton.
- [36:02]
Chris Cote
That changes things.
- [36:02]
Dan LeBatard
I will, I will side with Jeremy on this. Seats behind home plate in a major league ballpark are wonderful, magical things to have. But if you gave me the equivalent value and said to me, where would you like to spend this money? The very last thing on that list would be at pirate game games for me, I'm saying if you give me the equivalent value, if you just tell me I can't because the card's worth this much. What they're telling you is if it's 30 years of tickets behind home plate, they're telling you that that's what the card is going to be worth.
- [36:35]
Chris Cote
What if it's 30 years, two tickets behind home plate, but it's the raise.
- [36:42]
Billy Gill
You don't know where you're going to be.
- [36:43]
Dan LeBatard
Now I've arrived at the gates of heaven. I can watch 30 years of raise.
- [36:49]
Izzy Gutierrez
Baseball all muted though.
- [36:51]
Stugatz
If you don't find this card and you want to. Angel singing if you don't find this card and you don't get 30 years of season tickets and you still want to go to a game, you know.
- [37:00]
Billy Gill
What you got to do?
- [37:01]
Stugatz
You download the Game Time app. You download the Game Time app, you use Code Dan. Create an account. You get $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download the Game Time app Today I I did it the other day. I bought my wife concert tickets for the holidays. By far the lowest price of all of them. Game Time. You gotta go now. Jeremy, what time is it?
- [37:20]
Dave Annable
Game time.
- [37:21]
Dan LeBatard
Chris, can you please dust off the Back in My Gay imaging? We have not done this in a long time here. We're about to do Back in My Gay with Izzy Gutierrez.
- [37:36]
Billy Gill
And now it is time to take a trip down memory lane.
- [37:40]
Izzy Gutierrez
Sounds familiar.
- [37:40]
Billy Gill
Here's your guide.
- [37:42]
Stugatz
Izzy Gutierrez with Back in My Gay.
- [37:49]
Izzy Gutierrez
Insults. Or are they even insults these days? Guys who want to make a gay joke. And let's be real, it's always guys. They usually accidentally say something that could be seen as a euphemism for a gay act and then make sure everyone recognizes said euphemism, which encourages people listening to stop and think about gay stuff for a second. Is that an insult? Back in my Gay it was easy to tell when I should be hurt. A professional athlete of note out of pure hatred, or maybe pure obliviousness would bark out the hard f slur, get fined accordingly, and we'd all know who needs to take a visit to the HR department the next day. These days, Lamelo Ball is getting fined $100,000, the same amount Joel Embiid was fined for shoving a journalist in the locker room. And for what? A terrible joke. Ball, the last name of someone who probably suffered a lifetime of horrible gay jokes, told a reporter on live television. The reason they were successful defending Giannis Antetokounmpo was because, quote, we loaded up no homo. Let's dissect that for a moment, shall we? Mere minutes after getting a one point home win against a two time mvp, Ball decided in a millisecond to introduce a sexual thought while simultaneously announcing his own sexuality. Just in case viewers at the moment thought to themselves, wait, is he still talking about basketball? I mean, no homo is basically just the that's what she said joke with a touch of phobia. Or maybe we're all looking at it backward and no homo is actually a heteromans coming out. Either way, it's also pretty dated. More recently, pause has become the popular line to drop after any gay sounding reference. I've always considered this one odd two it's effectively giving listeners license in a short amount of time to stop and think of homosexual X okay, but an insult? Certainly not to me. Then there's the AO community, which is effectively pause but with a more defensive posture. Ayo, and this is certainly no offense to our pal Tony and apparently a mean to regular AO'ers, but this show already had a baby. Uh, hell yeah. And more recently, a hubba hubba to acknowledge accidental sex references. The difference between those and AO is the latter comes only after gay sounding references and with the announcement not in my backyard pause. Here's the thing. I don't even hate these jokes, but let's just acknowledge these lines for what they are. In the case of Ball, it was a lame joke with too harsh of a penalty. Other, other more advanced attempts at comedy really haven't been that funny. I'd rather bring back gay euphemisms like light in the loafers or a friend of Dorothy.
- [40:26]
Dan LeBatard
What?
- [40:27]
Izzy Gutierrez
Look it up. Than pretend to laugh or feign offense. What I'm more offended by is people who don't know when a joke is dead. Perhaps the goal should be to load up on some new jokes. I'm not even gonna say I'm Izzy Gutierrez. And that's how it was back in.
- [40:42]
Dan LeBatard
My gay all right, so I have a couple of questions for you.
- [40:45]
Izzy Gutierrez
I knew you would.
- [40:46]
Dan LeBatard
Nice follow ups. Well, yeah, because he said too harsh the penalty $100,000 fine, which is the same that Embiid got for pushing someone, a reporter. You thought the fine was too harsh.
- [40:58]
Izzy Gutierrez
I did. And I also thought by comparison. Right. But Amin actually told me more information when I walked in this morning.
- [41:03]
Jeremy Tache
So on the episode of Basketball Illuminati that comes out today, we did a deep dive on the history of fines with no homo. Slash. Yeah, with no homo in the NBA. So the last player fined for this was Cam Thomas. That was February of 2023. He got fined 40 grand for it. Before him, Nikolic in November of 2018, 25 grand. But before him, Roy Hibbert.
- [41:28]
Izzy Gutierrez
Kind of funny.
- [41:29]
Jeremy Tache
Roy Hibbert, 2013, 75 grand. Why the big difference between Roy Hibbert 75 grand in 2013 and five years later, Nikolaoka down to 25. Roy Hibbert was fined by David Stern.
- [41:44]
Dan LeBatard
How about the difference between Joachim, Noah and Kobe and how they were fined for using a slur?
- [41:50]
Izzy Gutierrez
I mean, that's like I was mentioning in the thing. It's. It's just the more obvious one. It's got more hatred behind it. It's not trying to drop a joke and have people laugh. And those are the more obvious, like, hey, get that out of your vocabulary.
- [42:01]
Jeremy Tache
Kobe got fined 100 grand. 2011 for that.
- [42:04]
Izzy Gutierrez
Right. And that was, I thought worthy. This, I don't think is the same thing. I think it's bad comedy.
- [42:09]
Dan LeBatard
I do miss. I wish it weren't pejorative. Just the phrase lighten the loafers. It just is.
- [42:15]
Chris Cote
I was thinking the same thing.
- [42:16]
Izzy Gutierrez
Also misleading, by the way.
- [42:18]
Stugatz
But wait, Izzy, I just. Quick question. What did you mean by friend of Dorothy?
- [42:24]
Izzy Gutierrez
Because isn't that you Light in.
- [42:28]
Dan LeBatard
Light in the loafers is misleading how?
- [42:32]
Izzy Gutierrez
I mean, do you need me to show?
- [42:33]
Dan LeBatard
I thought that's the joke he was making. That's the joke the Tin man was making. You didn't get it until Izzy repeated it.
- [42:41]
Jeremy Tache
Because Izzy's funny and Jeremy isn't. So when Jeremy says something, I automatically.
- [42:45]
Dan LeBatard
You didn't laugh. He made the joke dressed as the Tin Man. He's in silver. He made the same joke. You refused to laugh at it, and then you laughed uproariously when Izzy did it.
- [42:58]
Jeremy Tache
This is the uphill battle that Jeremy's had to fight all this time.
- [43:01]
Billy Gill
And Jay Leno.
- [43:01]
Stugatz
That's why he went on strike.
- [43:03]
Dan LeBatard
You think Jeremy has had the uphill battle?
- [43:06]
Dave Annable
Yes. He has not.
- [43:07]
Billy Gill
Not. Is he?
- [43:07]
Jeremy Tache
No. Jeremy, we welcome Izzy. We laugh at Izzy's jokes.
- [43:11]
Dave Annable
Him?
- [43:12]
Jeremy Tache
No.
- [43:12]
Stugatz
Look, man, I did theater. I got the same jokes. Izzy got.
- [43:15]
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