Hour 1: Be Like Mike

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz"
Episode: Hour 1: Be Like Mike
Release Date: June 11, 2025

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Introduction and NBA Finals Coverage (00:00 - 03:16)

Dan Le Batard kickstarts the episode by introducing an exciting event: Game 3 of the NBA Finals, branded as "the most Latin NBA coverage you will find." He emphasizes the show's commitment to diversity and inclusivity, stating, “This demo is going to be the most Hispanic English language broadcast of an NBA game there has ever been” (00:35).

Chris Cody and Stugotz discuss the logistics of the show, with Greg Cody expressing enthusiasm about the upcoming broadcast: “I'm excited for this game. Yeah, it's the NBA Finals. I like it” (01:07). The team outlines the lineup for the broadcast, including Jorge Sedano and Papi, aiming to cater to the Hispanic audience effectively.

Greg Cody Wheel of Topics: Aaron Rodgers (02:43 - 10:03)

Dan Le Batard introduces the "Greg Cody Wheel of Good Fortune," a segment designed to spotlight Greg's personal interests and opinions (02:10). After some playful confusion, the wheel lands on Aaron Rodgers (04:08).

The discussion delves into Aaron Rodgers' recent marriage and his choice to keep his wife's identity private. Stugotz remarks, “Aaron Rodgers can't not be Weird. Okay. He got married a couple of weeks ago and he refuses to reveal the identity of his wife” (04:04). Greg Cody adds depth by referencing a conversation from the Pat McAfee show, highlighting Rodgers' desire for privacy while acknowledging his philanthropic efforts: “He does like that being talked about in the open. He does a lot of good work behind the scenes” (07:35).

The conversation touches on the balance between respecting a public figure's privacy and the public's curiosity. Greg emphasizes, “He feels enough tech. I'm not going to do that. Happy as someone that read his book with it with his own ears, that he has found someone to be a life partner with him” (07:55). The team navigates the topic with a mix of respect and humor, culminating in reflections on how public figures' personal lives are scrutinized.

Political Commentary: Los Angeles Protests and State Militia (10:00 - 27:29)

Transitioning from sports to politics, Dan Le Batard expresses concern over the situation in Los Angeles, highlighting the deployment of state militia during peaceful protests. He states, “The optics of it are horrifying enough” (12:03), criticizing the militarization of protests and its implications for American freedoms.

Greg Cody provides a detailed analysis, drawing parallels to historical authoritarian regimes: “These are people who are dangerous because they're being classified as the 'other', and they’re being treated as criminals” (13:35). He vehemently opposes the expanding definition of criminality, equating undocumented immigrants with minor offenses: “The criminality of being an undocumented immigrant is akin to a parking ticket” (27:03).

Mike Ryan adds perspective from his experience with sports unions, emphasizing the importance of fighting for rules and due process: “If it's not happening to you, many of us find trapdoor where we're like, okay, violating their due process is fine” (18:09). The discussion underscores a deep frustration with perceived governmental overreach and the erosion of constitutional rights.

Dan Le Batard personalizes the impact, sharing fears about his family's safety: “There is the even remote possibility that my parents will have to die on the island they fled” (26:59). The conversation reflects a blend of personal anecdotes and broader societal critiques, highlighting the show's engagement with current events beyond the sports sphere.

Formula One vs. Indy 500: A Debate on Motorsport Popularity (27:29 - 35:50)

Shifting back to lighter topics, Mike Ryan passionately defends Indy 500 against the rising popularity of Formula One in North America. He asserts, “Formula one is trying to switch the calendar so you get the Canadian Grand Prix the same weekend as the Indy 500” (28:26), expressing concern over Formula One’s inability to resonate with American audiences.

Greg Cody humorously mocks Formula One's reception: “Do not come to this continent and try to take the Indy 500 away from us. They ain't coming over here screwing up my calendar” (29:51). The debate highlights a cultural preference for traditional American motorsports over international counterparts, with the team engaging in spirited banter and jokes about "Marvy Povich" and "double Dutch."

Final Segment: Wheel of Topics - Minicamp and Humorous Exchanges (31:14 - 35:50)

The Greg Cody Wheel of Topics spins again, landing on Minicamp (31:46). This sparks a humorous back-and-forth about the term "Minicamp," leading to playful debates about "minis" and favorite characters like Minnie Mouse:

• Stugotz: “The phrase minicamp is so stupid, it's ridiculous” (31:57).
• Chris Cody: “Minivan. Don’t like the minivan” (32:07).
• Greg Cody and Stugotz engage in wordplay, creating the nickname "Marvy Povich" and mimicking TV show references, adding levity to the episode.

The segment showcases the hosts' chemistry and ability to blend serious discussions with light-hearted humor, maintaining an engaging and dynamic atmosphere.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts (35:50 - End)

As the episode wraps up, Dan Le Batard acknowledges the diverse range of topics covered, from intense political debates to playful banter about motorsports and pop culture. The hosts reinforce their commitment to providing a platform for both critical discussions and entertaining content, ensuring that listeners are engaged and informed.

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Notable Quotes:

• Dan Le Batard (00:35): “This demo is going to be the most Hispanic English language broadcast of an NBA game there has ever been.”
• Stugotz (04:04): “Aaron Rodgers can't not be Weird. Okay. He got married a couple of weeks ago and he refuses to reveal the identity of his wife.”
• Greg Cody (07:55): “He does like that being talked about in the open. He does a lot of good work behind the scenes.”
• Dan Le Batard (12:03): “The optics of it are horrifying enough.”
• Greg Cody (13:35): “These are people who are dangerous because they're being classified as the 'other', and they’re being treated as criminals.”
• Mike Ryan (18:09): “If it's not happening to you, many of us find trapdoor where we're like, okay, violating their due process is fine.”
• Dan Le Batard (26:59): “There is the even remote possibility that my parents will have to die on the island they fled.”
• Mike Ryan (28:26): “Formula one is trying to switch the calendar so you get the Canadian Grand Prix the same weekend as the Indy 500.”
• Greg Cody (29:51): “Do not come to this continent and try to take the Indy 500 away from us. They ain't coming over here screwing up my calendar.”
• Stugotz (31:57): “The phrase minicamp is so stupid, it's ridiculous.”

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Key Takeaways:

• Diversity in Sports Broadcasting: The show is pioneering inclusive coverage of major sports events, particularly targeting Hispanic audiences.
• Respect for Privacy: A balanced discussion on public figures' right to privacy amidst public interest.
• Political Engagement: The hosts critically analyze governmental actions affecting civil liberties, reflecting a deep concern for constitutional rights and societal implications.
• Cultural Preferences: A passionate defense of traditional American motorsports over international alternatives, highlighting cultural identity.
• Humor and Camaraderie: The episode effectively blends serious topics with humor, showcasing the hosts' chemistry and ability to engage a wide audience.

This episode exemplifies "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" as a platform that navigates the intersections of sports, culture, and politics with both depth and levity, catering to a diverse and engaged listener base.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with.

[Stugotz]

The Stu Guts podcast.

[Chris Cody]

Join us in the cheap seats tonight. Dan and the Kid mayor are watching Game 3 of the NBA Finals presented by Remy Martin. Catch the live stream starting at 8pm on the Levitar Show YouTube channel.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is there any chance that Greg Cody is here Tonight to do three shows within 24 hours? One of them at 8pm tonight. Introducing the Kid Marrow. The show is going to be extraordinarily Latin. The most Latin NBA coverage you will find this demo ever.

[Chris Cody]

Tony.

[Stugotz]

I'll be here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tony. This demo, the unicorn. Hispanic demo, underserved. We're gonna have Jorge Sedano and the Kid Marrow and Papi. It's going to be the most Hispanic English language broadcast of an NBA game there has ever been.

[Stugotz]

Wow. Will Greg Cody be there just to balance it? You mean you want the. The gringo there?

[Greg Cody]

What do you.

[Stugotz]

What do you. What are you getting at?

[Dan LeBatard]

I was inviting you to the party.

[Stugotz]

You never know. Anything's possible.

[Chris Cody]

Isn't Sadano working the game?

[Dan LeBatard]

He is.

[Stugotz]

Anything's possible.

[Chris Cody]

And with us. Nice.

[Greg Cody]

It's a big get.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's going to be very Hispanic.

[Greg Cody]

I'm excited for this game. Yeah, it's the NBA Finals. I like it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Are you going to be here tonight?

[Greg Cody]

What does that mean?

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's get away with that. No, that's what he says when all of a sudden, hey, I bone up all the time. If I have to get ready for.

[Greg Cody]

The Pacers, I'm going to meet the moment.

[Dan LeBatard]

After two years of the NBA is dead ratings talk.

[Greg Cody]

He's so I can nail nembard.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. Talking ball.

[Dan LeBatard]

Who's going to be here? Who are we doing this with?

[Chris Cody]

It will be Dan the Kid Marrow, Chris, Tony, Jeremy, Mike Ryan and Juju.

[Greg Cody]

Mike Ryan Ruiz.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jeremy also counts his Latin.

[Chris Cody]

I do count. I. I don't often get that respect.

[Greg Cody]

Can you count Spanish? No, he's Juban. No, I'm saying can you count in Spanish.

[Chris Cody]

Trace.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jeremy is not a Hispanic name. Jeremy is.

[Stugotz]

It really is.

[Chris Cody]

I was supposed to be Ephraim.

[Greg Cody]

Now that would have been. Now that would have worked.

[Chris Cody]

It's my grandfather's name.

[Greg Cody]

That was supposed to be Shawn Michael. I would have loved that. Still time Sweet chin music.

[Dan LeBatard]

Greg Cody. I have for your display. You did not know that this was coming. But because you have not been involved enough in the show right now, I had specially curated for this moment a Greg Cody Wheel of topics. Is there a name for this Wheel. The wheel that we have commissioned to have made. Is there a name that you you would have it have as the wheel of just your choice. It's totally about you. Your narcissism and it will be subject matter of your choice. But should it have a name, would you like it to anything to name it?

[Stugotz]

Wheel of good fortune.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Spitballing. No bad ideas. No bad ideas.

[Dan LeBatard]

We'll do it. Here are the topics on the Greg Cody wheel of good fortune. He has an objection to the name minicamp. He has the take that he is bored with someone's dominance. He has Aaron Rodgers takes and he has that championship rings have become an embarrassment. Wow. And he wants to also talk about how good of a soup he can make because he's the originator of soup of the day.

[Stugotz]

Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

So let's spin the wheel and Greg, you tell me what it is. Lance on Good work, executive producer. You've had an ink that wasn't there.

[Greg Cody]

That's GQ's fault.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, this button thing is just messing with me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Very good. Good explanation. What did it land on there, Greg?

[Stugotz]

I have to read what it landed on. Don't we have a vanna white here who no.

[Chris Cody]

What it landed.

[Dan LeBatard]

What did it land on?

[Stugotz]

I think it landed on.

[Dan LeBatard]

What did it land. What do you mean do you think?

[Greg Cody]

Take a look at the board.

[Stugotz]

I was looking in the wrong direction over there.

[Greg Cody]

There's two wheels. It's confusing.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, now I see it. No, Let me talk a second about Aaron Rodgers. If you landed on Aaron. Yeah, that's what I mean. Aaron Rodgers. That's why I say I'm going to talk for a second about Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan LeBatard]

But what did it land on?

[Stugotz]

Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan LeBatard]

Smooth. I don't think it landed on Aaron Rodgers. I think it landed on ice.

[Chris Cody]

It's one of those spin again ones where he like landed right in the middle.

[Greg Cody]

Waste of time, that is. Have you ever been in, like a radio promotion? Why do you have a spin again thing?

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Stugotz]

Yeah. I don't get that.

[Greg Cody]

I would just give you the shirt. You want a 790 shirt, have it. But give me the bumper sticker. Take a chick.

[Stugotz]

So what did it land on? I don't have my glasses on. I can't see it.

[Dan LeBatard]

We're going to do a re spin.

[Stugotz]

It's a spin again.

[Dan LeBatard]

What did it land on, Greg? What did it land?

[Stugotz]

It landed on air. Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

Twice in a row, apparently. All right.

[Chris Cody]

Take it away.

[Stugotz]

Okay. This is so weird. And Aaron Rodgers can't not be Weird. Okay. He got married a couple of weeks ago and he refuses to reveal the identity of his wife. I don't understand that. What is he hiding?

[Dan LeBatard]

Privacy. Just what privacy?

[Stugotz]

Did they get married in private?

[Dan LeBatard]

He probably feels like a target right now.

[Stugotz]

By who? Who's targeting him?

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, whoever he thinks is targeting the radical left.

[Stugotz]

What is he?

[Mike Ryan]

David Sampson is targeting him?

[Dan LeBatard]

Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett.

[Stugotz]

Graveyard. No, that's fair.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know what's amazing about what Miles Garrett did is that would indeed be death and murder, but not targeting it. It probably would. That the targeting part would be illegal. The putting him in the graveyard part. Not really.

[Stugotz]

So I'm the only one who thinks Aaron Rodgers getting married and not refusing to reveal the name of his wife is weird?

[Greg Cody]

I'm not going to give him what he. Greg, come with me. Let's have some coffee. All right. If you follow the Pat McAfee show, about a month and a half ago, it was very clear that Aaron Rodgers was getting married. They tried to be coy with it. Not a strength of AJ Hawks, just straight up subtlety. Not a strength. So it was very clear that Aaron Rodgers had something in his personal life happen. And it was one of those things like, let me be secretive so you talk about it more. That was the perception. Anyways. I'm not going to undercut Aaron Rodgers. He feels plenty of tech. I'm not going to do that. Happy as someone that read his book with it with his own ears, that he has found someone to be a life partner with him. That's great stuff, but everything around it is like, it's him, Josh, in the media again. And is Aaron Rodgers fashion okay?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, it's possible that he just doesn't. Or she. Or he. Whomever he's with, is not interested in that attention. And to the degree that he can turn that down on them, maybe he's just being a good partner.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not going to just criticize Aaron Rodgers for every last thing. If he found love through complicated family relationships that Ian o' Connor wrote about and Mike listened to, wrote about, thoroughly reported listened and listened to, that book will tell you that he is trying to be introspective. He is trying alternative ways. And he has a lot of broken relationships in his life and he has found himself now with somebody. And you can listen to Danica Patrick about what being in a relationship with him was. And you can also want your privacy in this moment, because I'm guessing that Aaron Rodgers, whether he is a victim or not, it feels under attack. And anyone he loves. He wouldn't want anywhere near everything that comes with that. So if there's not one picture of her him, anybody out there, I understand why he would want his privacy there. Who would he want to subject to that?

[Greg Cody]

I love how liberal this show is. Like we're respecting Aaron Rodgers. Her him. I'm like, what? He's probably like what what?

[Chris Cody]

I saw someone say that this statement that he gave was essentially going, yeah, I was matrimonized.

[Greg Cody]

Happy for him though. He seems like a complicated dude. He also doesn't seem like that didn't feel sincere. No.

[Dan LeBatard]

He happy for him though. Kind of bored.

[Greg Cody]

Complicated dude. Well, as the only person that read the book with his ears, I mean people don't talk enough about his charitable works. He does like that being talked about in the open. He does a lot of good work behind the scenes as public and front facing as he is. It'd be good for his brand for people to know like what a good guy he is philanthropically speaking.

[Mike Ryan]

Is it really that liberal? We go her him. Like wouldn't we have to include more variety?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

The non binary folks.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think that we're being super liberal. I think we're being respectful because a man chose to keep it private. So obviously we're leaving the door open to everything, every possibility.

[Stugotz]

I think the liberal aspect here is refusing to say that it's weird that he refuses to say who his wife is.

[Greg Cody]

No, I dig privacy. Go for it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just. Greg, do you feel entitled to being in his every business or.

[Stugotz]

I feel entitled as someone who is talking about a very, very public figure. I think if he is not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not she or okay. But.

[Stugotz]

But she married into it. Just like Jordan Hudson dated Bill Belichick. Yeah, whatever. No, I'm happy for him. Good. Go for it.

[Chris Cody]

But other insincere happy for him.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really doesn't feel these are such indifference. I'm happy for him but it's is tossing toilet paper at him.

[Greg Cody]

Whatever out there.

[Chris Cody]

Least emotion ever put into that phrase.

[Greg Cody]

Look, it's. Let me tell you, I don't think he's going to be bad as quarterback either. Saying good things about the man. I don't think he's going to be a bad fit for the Steelers. I think he's exactly what they need and we're happy for him and the Steelers are exactly what he needs And I hope he found this in his partner.

[Mike Ryan]

Was my favorite.

[Dan LeBatard]

The general stubbornness in the complicated relationship this show has had with Aaron Rodgers over. Yeah, we'll read books about you, dude, we're desperate to understand you. Oh, that's all there is.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, let's get out there.

[Dan LeBatard]

We're happy, but we're happy for you. We're happy you found love.

[Chris Cody]

Love. Love.

[Dan LeBatard]

No. And whatever.

[Stugotz]

Whatever.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's. The what? It's. We're happy you found love. Whatever is not happiness. It's why we're not invited to the ceremony.

[Mike Ryan]

You're misunderstanding the whatever. The whatever is. I know things are different from back in my day, but I want to make it clear that I'm ok. I mean, it's like cash, like, whatever. I don't care what. What you do.

[Greg Cody]

You do.

[Dan LeBatard]

You.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, you do.

[Greg Cody]

I am happy for him.

[Chris Cody]

I think it's the funniest thing in the world that this is probably the most LGBTQ inclusive conversation we've ever had. And it's over. The idea of a make believe partner for Aaron Rodgers, that's offensive to Dan.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't blame Jeremy at all. He's been smothered for two and a half hours.

[Greg Cody]

Did mention Alphabet. Two and a half years.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, okay. Thank you. Good Correction. Jeremy Don LeBatard.

[Stugotz]

Quiet man.

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

You know, I'm a married man. I don't cheat on my wife. Despite that gratuitous line in back in.

[Greg Cody]

That you wrote stugats.

[Stugotz]

I wish you were here. My wife, I really miss her. No, I don't. That's the thing about being married, you know, you're not allowed to say, I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days. I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry. I call her. I'm just 30 seconds. You know, what am I? Hello? All right. All right, we'll see you. All right. And then, you know, I'm gonna see her in two days. I was jump Charlie. Good.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach. The thing that is happening right now that I keep wanting to get back to, but I guess we might end up at the Cody wheel again, is what is happening in California. What is happening in Los Angeles. It. The. It. Never mind the optics of it. The optics of it are horrifying enough. The reality of what is happening there with. With peaceful protests and what feels like state militia being rubber bulleting about just basic American freedoms because we are now going for whiter nation. Look, Dominique, we talk about David Sampson talks about he's not a fearful person, and then gives us a litany of fears. I don't think I betray a confidence when I say that Dominique is extending his trip in South Florida a couple days longer than he would like because what is happening in Washington right now feels like it's not a welcoming place for him this weekend.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of traffic. I ain't messing with it.

[Greg Cody]

Or whatever.

[Mike Ryan]

Or whatever.

[Dan LeBatard]

I want to talk about what is happening in Los Angeles. But it gets a little bit uncomfortable around here when we politicize during happy sports times. Like, I've made that change on behalf of the audience because the people who came with us sort of understand, okay, there's not a lot of left leaning stuff in this space anymore. Like, we identify as one of the things in sports that is that at a time that it's more popular with young white adults to not be that. As the country moves toward Trump and as Miami becomes this weird place where a whole bunch of Hispanics who are really grateful for being in this country, some of them, many of them Cuban, I'm surrounded now, have helped bring this thing that feels like state militia to Los Angeles where there are peaceful protests. And we can hide under the semantics argument of, well, of course illegal people who are here committing crimes shouldn't be here. But that doesn't mean you should make all brown people and black people that like, of course, everyone can agree, yes, illegal criminals in this country, yes, get them out of here. But wait a minute, who gets to decide what's illegal and criminal when you're just going to violate the Supreme Court and the end democracy and the Constitution and everything else in the name of. Now you've got an armed militia that says every protest is dangerous, even the peaceful ones. And you can frame it that way because the people are brown.

[Chris Cody]

And there's a purposeful blurring of the lines and moving of the goalposts. So this began with violent criminals who are here as illegal immigrants. And we are going to target specifically people with a violent criminal record. Then it became any criminal record at all. Now it's just become, show up at Home Depot and grab as many people as you can. And then we'll figure out after whether they're American citizens, whether they have documentation. This continues to move in a direction that is horrifyingly similar to all of the other fascist dictatorships that we've seen across the last hundred years, at least because it's following the exact same textbook, which is if people are even peacefully protesting against you, you send in your militia, your military, to cause havoc, to cause fear, to incite violence. Sending in military personnel to a city is not there to de escalate. They're not trained to de escalate. They're trained for war zones. And that's what you're turning any of these, any of these protests into. When you add a National Guard that's protecting ICE as they're grabbing anyone and everyone, including story after story of US Citizens being detained for hours on end, separated from their family. This is, this is only going the direction that by the way they laid out for us right from the beginning, and we here and a lot of other people tried to warn about, but yet we watched a ton of people, even within our own community, Dan, that supported this, that advocated for this, and that's the part that is frustrating in that regard. But this is a use of the military against our own people. If this was happening, and I know that we do these theoreticals all the time, but if this was happening in any other country, we would be looking at that as one of the most horrifying things that could possibly happen.

[Dan LeBatard]

The rest of the world doesn't understand how America is good with this.

[Greg Cody]

And America is often judged when things like this happen in other parts of the world and sometimes have even justified wars for it. I don't wanna get into the politics of it. I know Dan said peaceful protests, and I know from conversations that I've had with people that are Trumpers, they're gonna say what's peaceful about lighting a car on fire, and they're just gonna be reinforced by their algo. So let's. What I sit back and marvel at is how this is not even what he really campaigned on, and the ability to just keep moving with the goalposts as they move. Trump himself said in 2020, you don't do this kind of move. You have to be requested by the governor. And by all accounts, this was drafted before there was even a protest because of the way that it was framed. So I'm just trying to follow. Are we for states rights or are we against it? Because when it comes to education, when it comes to gun laws, to. When it comes. When it comes to a woman's right to choose and what happens with her body, we lean on states rights a lot. In fact, are you a Second Amendment person or not? Because the Second Amendment is about making sure that civilian militias can be armed in the event that the government weaponizes its military forces against its own people. Yet you're siding with the government here. There is a huge abuse of unchecked power that is going on right now, and you can counteract it by just holding up what Donald Trump said in 2020. So I'm really confused and I'm also disheartened by. We already know how far they're going to push this. We're the law and order party, yet will pardon everybody that rioted on January 6th and actually hurt people. There was a cop that died on January 7th who was it with chemical agent, and his death was ruled in the line of duty. We'll pardon anybody that is associated with that because it's. It placated to your vision what you deem was right. It helped your agenda. It's not about violence. It's not about peaceful protests. In fact, yesterday Donald Trump was in the Oval Office, and maybe people want to rationalize what he said. He didn't say rioters. With the expectation of protesters coming to his military parade, his cosplaying fascist parade, birthday and the 250th anniversary of the armed forces traffic, he said that protesters will be met with strong opposition. That's not rioters. These are people exercising their constitutional right. And I'm so confused. As a party that had a Tea Party movement that was holding up the Constitution is actively supporting something that subverts that very constitution.

[Mike Ryan]

I think that it's really hard when you're always on your back foot trying to argue against and pointing out hypocrisy. So rarely do you win an argument by explaining to somebody why they're wrong. Which, like, I think it feels like the right thing to do. And we all have hypocrisies. But I do think that competing vision is the only way that you can kind of pull whatever potential that we have going forward. And I also think that it's a reminder. And this is a loose sports tie, but, like, I spend most of my professional life, the most meaningful things I think I've done professionally has been with sports unions. And I know this doesn't feel like a direct tie, but it reminds me that when you are at a union, you have to fight that to force the league to follow the rules that are there. Even when it appears that you're defending someone who has likely done something wrong. Because the rules in due process are there for a reason. And I think that's what we find oftentimes in these political situations or these. Yeah, these more important social and political situations is that if it's not happening to you, many of us find trapdoor where we're like, okay, violating their due process is fine. Because to Jeremy's point, it started with people who they said were violent criminals Even violent criminals, you must force the government to abide by due process, because once you open that trapdoor, you can't then close it. And that's the most frustrating part, or scary part, I guess, is. And we're all guilty of it, where you find yourself in, like, all right, if someone came into your house and took away a family member of yours, you'd be in the street. They are doing it. I'm not absolving myself. It is happening. We ain't in the street.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. I would just say to you, just more personally, if it sounds like sermonizing to you, the way things are going. Growing up in a childhood that. That is exiles fleeing a place where they had money to get to freedom in their teens without family assurances that they would be here. And they respect and love this country and are grateful for this country. I don't know the way things are going. They were not born in this country. If there is a scenario that can arrive that has my father and mother not allowed to be here anymore, and I can't rule it out presently, given that I'm early in this administration and what was promised to me in Project 2025 is this is exactly how you handle peaceful protests, and this is exactly how it is that you circumvent what feels like American democracy to make sure that the others never unite like a union. You can always make them the others, and you'll always have the white people on your side, as you will do allow South African. South African people into this country.

[Greg Cody]

That might have changed with some tweets. Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

But trying to make this country whiter in a way that's overt, that is political, that is hateful, and allows you to keep the right to make all people other than you criminals based on whatever you make, the laws that criminalize them, including just being brown, not having a license, or being a criminal, because you're just like all those other dirty Mexican racists or rapists that we had to build a wall to keep out.

[Greg Cody]

I would feel duped if I voted for him because he distanced himself from Project 25. He said, I don't know these people. No, come on.

[Chris Cody]

Donald Trump lied.

[Greg Cody]

He said, I don't know these people. So there's a lot of key parts in the platform he's enacted after he took office. That is not stuff that candidate Trump campaigned on. It wasn't. We weren't talking about Canada. We weren't even talking about the Gulf of America. You touched on tariffs. We didn't know to the extent that we'd be starting a trade war. You Talked about the department education loosely, but everything that was detailed in Project 25, you expressly told me, that is not me. I have nothing to do with that. And then you almost follow it to.

[Mike Ryan]

A T. This is why I respect Mike Ryan's Marchand take, because this is Sports is a great place for these conversations because nowhere else will you attach so much of your identity to something that no matter what happens, you believe that that thing is right. How many times have you seen a bad call in the game and you're like, well, it's a good call and you fight to the death. It feels very similar where so many people have attached so much of their identity to a particular person in party and movement that it feels as though there's nothing that that team could do that could make you feel like, ah, maybe I'm not a fan anymore, but Mike, we all should be more like Mike Ryan. Because Marshan, that's not a good idea. No matter what Marshan does. No matter what Brett Marshand.

[Greg Cody]

No, I think, I think if you take a lesson, it's not the Marshan thing because there, I'm very clearly being pigheaded there and I'm holding, sticking to my guns, that I just don't like him as a person.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, I'm saying that he joined your team.

[Dan LeBatard]

Garbage.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm saying that he joined your team.

[Greg Cody]

He joined my team.

[Mike Ryan]

Some people would, once they joined the team, like, oh, then he's good. You're like, no, I have integrity. This is a bad guy. No matter what team he's on.

[Greg Cody]

I think it's a dangerous time because, look, if something really bad happens at one of these protests, you're going to have an algorithm on the other side that's going to justify an irrational killing potentially. And that's what I'm scared of. Because it's different now. It's much easier to refuse to admit that you're wrong. It's much easier to never capitulate because you can find something on the Internet and daily get that reinforced with your algorithm that says, no, no, no, you're actually right about this.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's got a great campaign slogan for you here. Be like, Mike Kennedy.

[Mike Ryan]

Likes right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Likes to be really right.

[Greg Cody]

This is my favorite. While Billy Wednesday.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is not, not, not an echo chamber.

[Greg Cody]

I also don't like viewing things through the prism of Republican and Democrat because, yeah, I'll support liberal causes because they seem to represent the opposition, but for me, it's something as clear as this is an unprecedented power grab from the highest office. If you claim to be a constitutionalist, like you told me for just years, then why aren't you upholding the Constitution? This is a threat on that very constitution that you held up.

[Dan LeBatard]

Up.

[Greg Cody]

You're a Tea Partier. Why? What is this? We have a king now and I just view it as right and wrong. I don't view it as right or left.

[Chris Cody]

Well, and for what it's worth, like Democrats had their opportunity when in power to start defunding ice, and if anything, they only expanded the amount of resources going toward this type of behavior. But it wasn't until this second administration with Donald Trump and more importantly, Stephen Miller, Miller behind all of this. Stephen Miller, who his ultimate and for lack of a better term, his final solution is deporting 4% of this country and completely destroying the economy, completely destroying the fabric of this country. Because that's what they want. What fascists want is everyone to suffer outside of them as they accrue power. And for those who look at this so black and white as well, they're illegal immigrants. They're criminals. You know what the criminality of being an undocumented immigrant is? It's akin to a parking ticket. It's not an actual criminal offense in the way that everyone is making it like it's murder. It's no different if you can't look at this imagery. Everything that you're seeing right now is people are being round up in the streets. If you're just someone who doesn't understand because these are people who are different than you and maybe this wouldn't happen to you in your life, this is no different than if you and all of the people that you worked with. There were several people with outstanding parking tickets. And so ICE came into your office and just rounded as many people up as they thought, looked like they might have outstanding parking tickets, and then arrested all the ones who did and eventually released the others, that's the level of criminality that we're talking about.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not, not, not an echo chamber.

[Greg Cody]

And there's also a common misnomer and very effectively. And the Dems, to their failure, have leaned in on this. Dems are not pro illegal immigrants. They don't want illegals in this country. That is a majority opinion. And much like the trans issues in sports, conservatives are very effective in campaigning and framing them as such. And there's no good rebuttal. But in a lot of these cases, tps, that's not something that is very well understood. There's plenty of Venezuelans and Cubans that went through a full legal process to be in this country legally and with one executive order. Overnight, they became illegals and now are being rounded up. And all you're getting fed from your Fox Newss and your Al goes is they're here illegally and you're gonna get buy in. Yeah, get those illegals out here.

[Dan LeBatard]

You guys would agree with me that I've had no reason to fear more than right now in the entirety of my lifetime that there is the even remote possibility that my parents will have to die on the island they fled. I mean, they're citizens, but it's not an. It's not. Yeah, but, but for now, being arrested.

[Greg Cody]

I can understand the fear.

[Stugotz]

For now, it's likelier than ever.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. I mean, Donald Trump has said that deporting citizens to other countries is something that. Yeah, we're going to look at that. So I understand.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just saying we're just starting with this. It is just the beginning. Chris Cody, do you have any thoughts on this?

[Stugotz]

Cannonball.

[Mike Ryan]

Marchand.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a good time for the Marchands of the world.

[Greg Cody]

Like to check his papers.

[Dan LeBatard]

They've got a state militia. Marchand. Don LeBatard.

[Stugotz]

I heard that as a woman faking pain. I. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, it was not fake. It was in no way fake.

[Chris Cody]

You can spot a woman faking it Stugats.

[Stugotz]

Yes, I can. Jess Expert have been married 40 years.

[Greg Cody]

This is the Dan Levatar show with his two gods.

[Chris Cody]

And those don't tread on me people just became, oh, please tread on me, daddy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you. You say that, but Mike Ryan today for some reason burst into the room saying, threatening of all places. F1.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, F1.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tread lightly.

[Greg Cody]

Hey, F1. F you. Did you see what they're doing? You see what they're doing? What? The greatest motor sports day ever is when you got Monaco in the morning, the Indy 500 in the afternoon, and the Coca Cola 600 in the evening. With NASCAR, you get all three major motorsports all in one day. You see what these guys are doing over at Formula One? Formula one is trying to switch the calendar so you get the Canadian Grand Prix the same weekend as the Indy 500. They're coming to North America and trying to take our crowd. Let me tell you something. Formula one, all right. Formula one. You are a Netflix documentary away, a cancellation away from being a funny car. I've seen the numbers in this country. You ain't Formula one in this country. You're not even Formula two, Jack. And I've seen the Xfinity series ratings on the cw. You're not even third oftentimes your ratings in this country. I saw the Miami Grand Prix. You got outrated by the cousin 400 on FS1. All right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Whoa.

[Greg Cody]

Do not come to this continent and try to take the Indy 500 away from us. There were 350,000 people at that motor speedway. There were 7 million people watching at home, Jack. You can't even crack a million. You're not coming across the pond and taking our motorsports weekend. It's gonna blow up in your fucking face.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thank you, Mike. Thank you.

[Greg Cody]

John Forrest has more charisma in his teeth.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

Than your drivers have in their entire little bodies.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. He is so right about this. And Bill Byrd does a great routine where he says that people, when they can go around the world than say to anyone, what did we invent? What's ours? Stock cars. Not your big fancy things. Not your things with the big engines that cost millions and millions of dollars. Gritty old cars that built this country's economy, that made my parents want to flee communism for the freedom of this country's stock car invention. Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Highfalutin. Looking down on your nose at motorsports here in this country because a Netflix documentary made you feel like you were better than me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ferrari.

[Greg Cody]

You don't even watch it. The races are bad. Formula one is bad. Flatly bad. And while you may watch the Netflix show in droves, you ain't watching the races. So you ain't coming over here screwing up my calendar, coming to my continent and trying to put a dent in the Indy 500. They got one race a year that we talk about them. One waste a year, and you ain't taking any of its shine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hallelujah, Mike. I'm glad you got all of it out from the last couple of days. It's like getting the air out of a tire that's over inflated. He's been mad for three days because of Marchand. He hasn't had a microphone. He hasn't gotten to talk enough about 6:1 yet. You haven't gotten to say anything about winning 6:1. And I can't.

[Greg Cody]

And that was. That was a couple days ago. We're on to game four.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so spin the wheel of Cody's. The wheel of fortune of Cody's. Spin it.

[Mike Ryan]

Wheel Maximum maybe has to be better.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wheel maximum probably shouldn't have called it the cousin 400. You shouldn't have done that. I don't know why that's why. Saying it again, I don't know why you did that. It seemed like you got carried away and.

[Greg Cody]

Well, I'm shocked that it's a sponsor.

[Dan LeBatard]

Don't be like Mike. Mike. Don't be like Mike there. He gets too emotional. It clearly landed there on Minicamps. Did it?

[Stugotz]

Oh, yeah. It says minicamp. My bad again. I was looking someplace else. The phrase minicamp is so stupid, it's ridiculous. There's never been, like, I don't like Minnie Mouse. I don't like the Mini Cooper. Wow. I don't like Minicamp. Anything that begins with the word mini should be outlawed. And I can't think of a single exception.

[Chris Cody]

Minivan.

[Stugotz]

Don't like the minivan.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mini Minoso.

[Chris Cody]

You had a nice minivan. White minivan. Like, I remember when I was like, seven or eight.

[Stugotz]

Dodge Caravan.

[Mike Ryan]

That was a van, not a minivan. It was a van.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mini Minoso.

[Chris Cody]

Felt like a minivan.

[Stugotz]

Well, Mini Minoso spells it with two ends and an E on the end. I mean, that's. I'm talking about Mini, as in tiny.

[Dan LeBatard]

So you're saying there are no good Minis? That anything that's mini should be outlawed?

[Chris Cody]

Who doesn't like Minnie Mouse?

[Greg Cody]

Minnie Mouse isn't a real name. Her name is Mervina.

[Stugotz]

That's true. But Minnie Mouse spells it with an ie as well.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, wait, it's Google. AI. That can't be true.

[Stugotz]

Minosa and Mouse both spell their first names. Minnie, M, I, N, N, I, E. Minerva.

[Chris Cody]

Mouse.

[Greg Cody]

That's what. Great Deftone.

[Dan LeBatard]

That wouldn't work at all.

[Stugotz]

Minerva.

[Greg Cody]

They shortened it.

[Dan LeBatard]

They would have gotten divorced. Divorced?

[Greg Cody]

Well, they got divorced. It really impacted their stock price. I heard the bad joke.

[Chris Cody]

I don't care if no one else.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let him have it. Let him have it, Chris. Let him have.

[Stugotz]

What did I say?

[Dan LeBatard]

Greg? This is what's happening. What did you say? You said it.

[Stugotz]

What did I say?

[Chris Cody]

You're like the Minerva of her.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, right. Minerva. The nerve of her. All right. It's good. Good line. Minerva Nerve. The Nerva. Her. Minerva.

[Greg Cody]

Her. It works.

[Stugotz]

Works on several different levels. Dominique knows.

[Mike Ryan]

It's getting better, though. The more you do it, the more I like it. It started out not great.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Minerva. The Minerva.

[Dan LeBatard]

Her. It does have a sing song cadence to it. Minerva, Minerva.

[Stugotz]

The Minerva.

[Greg Cody]

Her.

[Stugotz]

Nickname. What?

[Greg Cody]

We're doing a thing. You want to keep going? Keep going.

[Dan LeBatard]

Minerva, Minerva, now Minerva.

[Greg Cody]

You guys got more. Keep going. No, this sounds.

[Dan LeBatard]

This sounds great.

[Stugotz]

Keep going.

[Dan LeBatard]

We just wanted you to get in.

[Greg Cody]

Michael wanted you to Join in. Michael Theodore.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tone. Oh, Tone.

[Greg Cody]

All right, I can't tell if he's shortening your name. Warning you.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm sorry to. No, I'm sorry to do this to you. I'm sorry to do this.

[Greg Cody]

Michael Theodore Mouse.

[Dan LeBatard]

Minor penalty. Two minutes.

[Greg Cody]

Tumbling.

[Mike Ryan]

See you later, Amin.

[Dan LeBatard]

You are about to get mad at me and Mike because Mike seized on. I had the Minerva song in my hand, and Mike was gonna be the only one to help me there. And what I wanted from you there, Tone, is for you to jump rope between me and Mike doing Minerva.

[Greg Cody]

I tried.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you.

[Greg Cody]

And then Mike said, he's doing a thing, which I stopped, and I said.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, you guys, double Dutch.

[Stugotz]

Keep going.

[Greg Cody]

Keep going.

[Stugotz]

Longer.

[Greg Cody]

Go. More, more, more. Yeah, we got six bars.

[Stugotz]

Keep going.

[Chris Cody]

Make it 12.

[Greg Cody]

Just let me double Dutch.

[Chris Cody]

Marvy Poe.

[Greg Cody]

You want you to do it. Don't tell me to double Dutch.

[Chris Cody]

I trust me so confused right now.

[Greg Cody]

Double Dutch. I'm going to take. I'm going to take my 2.

[Dan LeBatard]

Marvy Povich.

[Chris Cody]

The Minerva got me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Marvy Povich.

[Stugotz]

I'm Minerva Minority.

[Greg Cody]

Marvy Povich, you're the first star of the game.

[Dan LeBatard]

So, look, Marvy Povich has liked what we do, what sports writers do, what Tony Kornheiser does. I don't know why this person who has been at the height of comedy and at the height of news, I don't know why this person would fancy us sports writers, people that he's fans of, but he will appreciate that I've got an executive producer that just botched that that way. So you want to say hello to Marnie Povich here.

[Chris Cody]

Hey, Marvy.

[Stugotz]

Oh, boy.

[Greg Cody]

That's what Letterman used to call me. Marvy.

[Stugotz]

Morty Murray, anything but Maury. Because he was in love with my wife.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's all. Chris was doing a Letterman reference callback.