Hour 1: Can David Samson Get an Amen? (feat. Gary Owen)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Hour 1 - Can David Samson Get an Amen? (feat. Gary Owen) Release Date: June 4, 2025

Hosted by Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, this episode features comedian Gary Owen as a special guest. Recorded from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, the trio delves into a range of topics spanning stand-up comedy, pop culture, and sports, particularly focusing on the New York Knicks.

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1. Guest Introduction: Gary Owen

The episode kicks off with Dan Le Batard and Stugotz welcoming Gary Owen, a prominent comedian known for his work on Mint Comedy and his upcoming shows in Dania.

Stugotz [01:04]: “He's coming to Dania. Gary Owen. He's got a new comedy special, Gary Owen No S. It's available now exclusively on Mint Comedy and it's five shows.”

Gary Owen [01:35]: “I'm in Seattle right now.”

The hosts engage Gary about his hectic tour schedule, highlighting the challenges of managing performances across various cities like Seattle, Tuscaloosa, and Dania.

2. Gary Owen on Touring and Stand-Up Comedy

Gary shares insights into his stand-up career, emphasizing the immediate gratification of live performances compared to the delayed feedback from acting in movies.

Gary Owen [02:26]: “That the tour does now stand up, it's so immediate. Whereas when you're doing the movies, you're not getting the reaction until nine months later when it comes out.”

Stugotz [03:01]: “Making a life at this on laughter is pretty hard no matter what your age is like. I don't think people understand what a grind it is.”

Gary candidly discusses the grind of touring, highlighting travel as the most challenging aspect, despite enjoying decent accommodations.

Gary Owen [03:17]: “I always tell people the hardest part about my job is the travel. The standup's the easy part.”

3. New Comedy Special: Gary Owen No S

The conversation shifts to Gary's latest comedy special, Gary Owen No S, which he describes as a spontaneous and less tortured creation compared to his previous work.

Gary Owen [10:17]: “This one was more like just spur of the moment, kind of winging it a little bit. So it came out kind of dope.”

Stugotz [10:49]: “It was easier. It was easier.”

Gary appreciates the freestyle nature of the special, likening it to a "freestyle rap," and expresses excitement over its release.

4. Challenges as a Stand-Up Comedian

Gary recounts some of his more challenging performances, including a gig at an all-black church in Miami where he had to deliver a sermon to gain support for a stadium project.

Gary Owen [29:01]: “I gave a whole sermon to a major black church in Miami because I needed their support for public money for the ballpark.”

The anecdote underscores the difficulties comedians face when navigating diverse audiences and expectations.

5. Pop Culture Discussion: Diddy and Listener Questions

The hosts pivot to pop culture topics, with Dan initially posing a general question about current issues. Gary humorously redirects the conversation to comments about Diddy's physical attributes.

Gary Owen [08:31]: “My biggest thing is, like, it's nice to know that his penis is like a tootsie Roll, because so far, black guys have all had just huge dicks.”

The banter showcases the show's trademark humor and ability to navigate spontaneous topics.

6. Boldest Take Segment

In the "Boldest Take" segment, listeners submit their wildest opinions, which Dan, Stugotz, and Gary react to humorously.

Listener Submissions Include:

• Devastating Leopard is the Nickelback of the '80s.
• Every NBA and WNBA coach should run a wind sprint if they lose the coach's challenge.
• George Kittle's shoe design.
• Mother's Teresa being the most famous mother.

Gary and Stugotz provide witty and sarcastic responses, maintaining the segment's lively and irreverent tone.

7. Sports Talk: New York Knicks Analysis

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing the New York Knicks' recent performance and management issues. The hosts critique James Dolan's leadership and head coach Tom Thibodeau's ability to elevate the team.

Stugotz [33:11]: “He is meddlesome. He's the worst of what rich owners are. That he disrespects Knicks royalty...”

Dan Le Batard [35:04]: “It's a bummer that in New York, after giving them something that they've been yearning for for decades, that's not viewed as enough.”

The discussion evolves into a broader critique of the Knicks' strategic decisions, player performance, and comparisons to other successful coaches like Larry Brown and Rick Carlisle.

Stugotz [35:48]: “Can I just talk to you guys about this part of it though?... These are the furthest steps the Knicks have taken.”

The hosts express frustration over perceived mismanagement and the team's inability to sustain success, highlighting specific games and player performances.

8. Upcoming Events and Watch Parties

Towards the end, Dan and Gary promote upcoming watch parties for major sports events, including the FIFA Club World Cup and UFC fights. They encourage listeners to join these events at local venues like the Dead Flamingo and Grails in Miami.

Dan Le Batard [21:30]: “It's the FIFA Club World Cup. I'll be present at the girls watch party. Very exciting.”

Gary Owen [19:19]: “So that's gonna be a lot of fun coming out. Watch it with us.”

Additionally, they discuss a playful bet involving Stugotz attending a UFC event, adding a layer of camaraderie and humor to the promotion.

9. Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with a blend of humorous exchanges and final promotional segments, maintaining the show's engaging and dynamic energy.

Dan Le Batard [42:22]: “Super excited to see where Inter Miami stacks up against the world's elite.”

Gary Owen [43:10]: “Smirnoff isn't just a vodka. It's the number one vodka in the world and the official partner of the NFL.”

The hosts encourage responsible enjoyment of upcoming sports events and the continued support of their various sponsors.

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Notable Quotes:

• Gary Owen [02:26]: “That the tour does now stand up, it's so immediate. Whereas when you're doing the movies, you're not getting the reaction until nine months later when it comes out.”

• Stugotz [35:10]: “We can agree on that, right?”

• Dan Le Batard [35:04]: “It's a bummer that in New York, after giving them something that they've been yearning for for decades, that's not viewed as enough.”

• Gary Owen [29:01]: “I gave a whole sermon to a major black church in Miami because I needed their support for public money for the ballpark.”

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This episode provides a comprehensive look into Gary Owen's comedic journey, the intricacies of managing a career in stand-up, and an in-depth critique of the New York Knicks' current state. Listeners are treated to a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and passionate sports analysis, making it a valuable listen for fans of the show and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Gary Owen]

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[Stugotz]

This face makes me happy seeing it. He's coming to Dania. Gary Owen. He's got a new comedy special, Gary Owen no s. It's available now exclusively on Mint comedy and it's five shows. Dania this weekend, June 6th through the 8th. Where are you right now? You're on the grind. You've got a two year old, you've got teenagers. You're still out here fighting on the comedy grind near Dania in a hotel. Hotel that looks swank. You're living good, but you're on the grind. Good to see you, Gary. Thank you for making the time.

[Gary Owen]

Thanks for having me. I'm in Seattle right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're in Seattle?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, I'm in Seattle. I'm in Tuscaloosa tomorrow and then I'm in Dania this weekend.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not a great direct flight situation. Seattle, Tuscaloosa. What's a direct flight situation looking like?

[Stugotz]

What is happening there? This seems inefficient. The tour goes through Chicago, Kansas City, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington, D.C. but Seattle, Tuscaloosa, Dania seems like bad. That seems no good.

[Gary Owen]

It's a lot. I ain't gonna lie. It's a lot. I do. I do a podcast with another comedian called Nate Jackson. His name's Nate Jackson. And I come out here once a month and we do. I come out here for three days and we record for the whole month. So that's what I'm doing in Seattle right now.

[Stugotz]

How do you feel when you do meet the blacks or ride along or think like a man. When you're doing the movies, does it give you the same kind of fulfillment.

[Gary Owen]

That the tour does now stand up, it's so immediate. Whereas the, when you're doing the movies, you're, you know, you're not getting the reaction until nine months later when it comes out. So whenever you're doing a movie, you're almost looking at the, the grips and the camera guys to give you the okay because the actors aren't going to do it during the scene. So you're looking for the guy holding the boom mic to give you a little chuckle sometimes.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so you're saying there's not. The reward is. The reward is the laughter.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Stugotz]

And so, so acting is just something to do on the side that does what for you?

[Gary Owen]

Build your, build your stand up fan base.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so it's all okay. So that's what it is. Okay. It's a means to an end. Then it's, it's like, it's, it's work that allows the comedy to live because making, making a life at this on laughter is pretty, it's pretty hard no matter what your age is like. I don't think people understand what a grind it is.

[Gary Owen]

I always tell people the hardest part about my job is the travel. The standup's the easy part. At this point now I'm kind of like almost in my Yoda years. Like, I got it. I can work, work with any crowd. But the. Yeah, like you said, the flying and the travel is the grind. But you know, I am staying at decent hotels, not flying spirit. So it's not that bad.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so can you spirit safe?

[Gary Owen]

There have been no fatalities. We've talked about a number of times. Gary is out here crapping on spirit. They've never crashed. I'm talking about comfort. I'm not talking about death. Okay, good, Gary. I'm just saying some spirit deniers out here. There's no first class spirit.

[Dan Le Batard]

The big first seats. If the standard is not dying, spirit's got you.

[Gary Owen]

Airlines don't. To be fair.

[Stugotz]

Can. Can you put us next to you whenever it is that you found out that Ebony magazine had proclaimed you black America's favorite white comedian? Can you take us through whatever that story is, please?

[Gary Owen]

Not one of the editors called me. And I guess, I guess I don't know how I got that title, but it was because my first TV appearance was on bet. And then almost every movie I've done had a Black lead actor. So I became like, I became black people's guy as far as white people goes.

[Stugotz]

Okay, But I don't know what these quote marks are doing. And it doesn't sound like you've given this a lot of thought because it was at the BET docuseries. I mean, you did have. You had a reality show, right?

[Gary Owen]

Like, yo, we pitched it to all the networks. BET bought it. We went to everybody. BET bought the show. So I'm like, yeah, I would have went on Telemundo if I spoke Spanish.

[Stugotz]

But. But that. Where does that, where does that show rank in terms of giving you. I mean, it's such an unusual thing. You have. All comedians are looking for Elaine. Where do I find my constituency? Where are my customers that are going to be with me for decades? Because, because whatever, they ride with me over 25 years of comedy. Like, for. Is it a. It's a happy accident that you ended up being popular to black America?

[Gary Owen]

Well, you know, I was in the Navy and I was in San Diego and I listened to the radio station called Z90. It was a hip hop station. And they said, we're looking for the funniest black comedian in San Diego. So I entered and I won it. And so once I won it, that got me auditioned for Comic View and. And then that got me on bet. So when you're early in your career, you're just trying to get on TV and you don't choose your audience, they choose you. So I just kind of. My first couple breaks was on Black Entertainment Television, so I just kind of ran with it.

[Stugotz]

I'm sorry, did I misunderstand you? Did you win a funniest Black Comedians contest?

[Gary Owen]

Oh, yeah. It was San Diego. It's not like it was Brooklyn.

[Stugotz]

But wait a minute, but wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's an important distinction he made.

[Stugotz]

Okay, but how. What was the competition?

[Gary Owen]

It wasn't too stiff.

[Dan Le Batard]

San Diego, not New York.

[Gary Owen]

We got Tony Gwynn.

[Stugotz]

But were you the only white guy?

[Gary Owen]

We got Tony Gwynn and Natron Means.

[Dan Le Batard]

Careful. Dan's gonna ask you for more.

[Stugotz]

No, I am gonna ask him for more. You know me so well. What, what are the after effects of the docu series, the Gary Owen show. Like, when you look back on that as a P in your life and what it is you were trying to achieve with it, how close did it come to being what you imagine?

[Gary Owen]

I guess I didn't put too much thought into was cool. We didn't break the curse, everybody, when we got the show we said, don't do reality tv. Everybody gets divorced. Yeah, we didn't break that curse because we got divorced a couple years later.

[Stugotz]

That's universal, that advice everyone gives you on the front end.

[Gary Owen]

That's what everybody says. If you go to social media, like, yo, if you do reality tv, everybody ends up broken up for divorce eventually. And, yeah, we.

[Stugotz]

We kept that streak going well, but it seems invasive. It seems like there's no way to not have a private life if you've always got cameras around. It seems impossible for a relationship that's navigating that kind of fame and attention to not break like, or be threatened because just people are around all the time.

[Gary Owen]

Well, let me tell you something. Those producers are good. They're like. Because my ex wife, she was like, oh, they're not coming in our bedroom. They're not recording our bedroom. Day one. They was like, we got to be in the bedroom. And they were in the bedroom. It's like, how'd this happen? That was like her big thing. When we pitched the show, like, they're not going to be in our bedroom. That's going to be our. Our sanctuary, our private area. But somehow they got in there.

[Stugotz]

Do we. Do you have a pop culture topic that everyone's seeking your opinion on these days? Any. Any a question that you're getting about what's happening in the news that is about one subject matter more than another?

[Gary Owen]

I mean, everybody's asking comedians about biddy. That's the big one right now.

[Stugotz]

And you just do what with that?

[Gary Owen]

I can't say it on your show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sure you can.

[Stugotz]

But you do a private show. You do a private show for all of the people.

[Gary Owen]

This is network TV, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, no, not network. Network is DraftKings network subject to FCC fines? We're totally good. We let it run. Billy was calling me a star earlier.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, my bad. Yeah. My biggest thing is, like, it's. It's nice to know that his. His penis is like a tootsie Roll, because so far, black guys have all had just huge dicks. So it's nice to know we're on the other side of it a little bit. There's balance.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan. You don't get to make that face.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he warned me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan's question was like, hey, what's the pop culture thing? Everybody's asking you.

[Stugotz]

All right, Talk about that.

[Gary Owen]

Everyone's mind went to Diddy, right? When Dan brought up the question, we're like, okay, you're asking him about Diddy.

[Dan Le Batard]

And your opinion on that? Well, just Ask him about Didd.

[Gary Owen]

I.

[Stugotz]

Well, but I didn't know whether it would be Belichick. I didn't know whether it would be Kendrick Lamar's tour. I don't know what he. I could. How could I possibly know the thing that everyone's asking him about.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't get to make the face. You don't get to be like, well, that's right. People talk about his little pecker.

[Stugotz]

No, but that's not. You think I was seeking that as his answer.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Quite literally.

[Gary Owen]

You asked, absolutely.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the pop culture thing everybody is asking you about? And then you're like, kendrick Lamar's tour.

[Gary Owen]

What are you talking about?

[Stugotz]

There are other choices. There are other choices he could be making.

[Gary Owen]

Kendrick Lamar's tour, What do you think about terror? Scary.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, see now, old man. Over 20 years. I didn't think you could get worse at tossing things up to comedians, but yet here we are.

[Gary Owen]

Did he follow up or no?

[Dan Le Batard]

Did he follow up?

[Stugotz]

His new comedy special, Gary Owen, no. S is available now exclusively on Mint Comedy. And if you want upcoming dates and tickets, Garyowen Live is where you go after 30 years or 25 years, I don't actually know what the number is. Why is this comedy special special to.

[Gary Owen]

It's crazy how this comedy special came about, because I was recording my last one, Broken Family. And you know, when you do comedy shows, you'll. You'll do a couple episodes and edit them together, and we record that Friday. And I said, are we good? We get that in the can. They go, yeah. I go, I think I got another hour. So then we recorded this one on Saturday. So this one was more like just spur the moment, kind of winging it a little bit. So it came out kind of dope. I was actually kind of excited because comedians, when you get a special, you work so hard for that hour. This one just came about, so.

[Stugotz]

Oh, so it didn't take, like, a year of work and crafting. You were able to release something into the wild without having to suffer it the way you normally might like. It was easier. It was easier.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. It was kind of dope. It's almost like a freestyle rap a little bit.

[Stugotz]

Oh, that must have felt good to not have it be a tortured exercise where you get tired of your own act on the way to making it.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, right.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I would think so. It's a much. But to have it meet your standard is the tough thing. Right. Like, to be unforgiving enough in what it is that you're making to not have to obsessively crush it with however it is you sculpt these things well.

[Gary Owen]

You do your hour and you're cutting and pasting the whole time for the year, getting ready. But this one was like all the stuff we were cutting. I go, ah, some of that stuff's still funny. So this is like, oh, we still got so much left over. Let's piece it together. Not just has to make sense because you got callbacks and things like that. So it was kind of a. Just recording it. It felt like, oh man, this is, this is coming together nicely without any pre production or planning.

[Stugotz]

Roy, can you play for us please? The late Bob Saget telling us his saddest stand up story. And we will ask Gary Owen to recall a time that he had to perform in a sad venue. But let's hear from the late Bob Saget first.

[Gary Owen]

We were three comedians doing this gig, the strip club. And Kevin, Neil and I went to go look at Mount McKinley. Like two guys would do like two bros. And the other guy, the other comic was just in the trailer with the strippers all weekend. So they're gonna introduce me. And there's a stripper on stage and she had pie pans over her chest. Two pie pans and then another one lower in her lower region with matches. Literally just matches. Paper matches, scotch tape to the pie pans. And then she lights. Not even sparklers, you know, just matches.

[Stugotz]

Just matches.

[Gary Owen]

She has. She lights the top pie pans and she lights the bottom pie pan and then she blows herself out and then literally blows herself out and goes. Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Saget.

[Stugotz]

Surely you don't have a story quite that good.

[Gary Owen]

Can't stop it. I can't stop that.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's another bad setup for a comedian.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, totally, totally unfair by me.

[Gary Owen]

What's the saddest place form though? You gotta have something that's better. I think in the beginning there was. There used to have a funny bone at Evansville, Indiana. And like nobody laughed the whole weekend. They didn't laugh at the whole weekend.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not great for a comedian.

[Gary Owen]

No, it was awful. It was like they just. But they didn't boo and they didn't. They just sat there just indifferent. I'd rather get booed like it was four shows of just guys in John Deere hats with their arms on their toy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Must have been a rough week for Evansville. I don't.

[Gary Owen]

Let me tell you something. The only reaction I got all weekend was by Saturday the late show. I just went, hey guys, this is all we got. We haven't got a laugh all weekend, lar. The cable guys not walking through those doors. And this dude stood up, he's like, whoa, whoa. Those are big shoes. Phil, buddy. You guys are alive. You are alive.

[Stugotz]

New comedy special Gary Owen no s available exclusively on Mint Comedy. Go to GaryOwen Live for upcoming dates and tickets. As I mentioned, he's got Chicago, Kansas city, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington, and June 6th through the 8th. Five shows. Dania from Seattle to Dania. The way that all the comics do it. Thank you, Gary.

[Gary Owen]

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[Gary Owen]

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[Gary Owen]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe you wanted to be the shortstop for the Yankees.

[Gary Owen]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Gary Owen]

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[Stugotz]

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[Gary Owen]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Gary Owen]

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[Stugotz]

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[Gary Owen]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Not going to apologize.

[Gary Owen]

I wouldn't expect you to apologize. Then you're a giant infant, okay? You have no control over your emotions. You have no control over your emotions when you're calling someone you know an idiot. I don't deserve it, okay? I don't deserve it.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right?

[Gary Owen]

And you're a fool for saying it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay?

[Gary Owen]

St. Guts. You're a fool. I was kind of following you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, you're locking in right now. You're locking in on us.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's drop the gloves, pal.

[Stugotz]

Let's rock.

[Dan Le Batard]

You should be thanking me for what?

[Gary Owen]

Every day. For what?

[Dan Le Batard]

For what I've done around this character. And the second shit gets real for you, you want to come at me.

[Gary Owen]

And call me a fool? Huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, no.

[Stugotz]

Seriously, Jeremy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Seriously, pal. I've added 10 years to your career.

[Gary Owen]

This is the Dan Lebatar show with the stugats.

[Stugotz]

We've got Boldest take to get to here, Greg. Yes, thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was waiting for that.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Since the start.

[Stugotz]

I want to get to Boldest take and I also want to tell people that we've got a couple of watch parties actually over the next. Over the next week, we're going to have three sort of pop up things. Right, because we're going to pop up as a show for one of these finals games, at least in the NBA. Roy, what are you doing with the hockey show? And Dwark and Rose and who else is involved with these festivities on Friday?

[Dan Le Batard]

We got game two. We're going to do a live stream.

[Gary Owen]

Much like MMA Hangout does their livestream. It's going to be at the the Dead Flamingo. So that's gonna be a lot of fun coming out. Watch it with us.

[Dan Le Batard]

So come on out.

[Stugotz]

What was that said?

[Gary Owen]

Come on out. Watch it.

[Stugotz]

No, but the dead what?

[Dan Le Batard]

Dead Flamingo. Dead Flamingo, formerly known as Casatiki. Now Dead Flamingo.

[Stugotz]

Okay. And Tony, what are you doing this Saturday night?

[Dan Le Batard]

Dano? UFC316, the rematch for versus Merab Dwalishvili.

[Gary Owen]

And Sean O' Malley. And we're gonna have Kayla Harrison versus Julianapena for the bantamweight women's championship.

[Dan Le Batard]

A very exciting night of fights.

[Gary Owen]

Greg, Cody, you will be there. It's a strong possibility. All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm really excited for that Dead Flamingo Saturday night. Possibly a Mike Ryan appearance. Yeah. Sean o' Malley, that's a rematch, right? Isn't it? So I'm excited about this one. Great card. We'll be there.

[Gary Owen]

10 o' clock, start for your time. I felt if you're a listener and you show up to both watch parties this weekend, you get to go to lunch with Dan at a later date.

[Dan Le Batard]

You just sleep over. Just stay the whole night at, you know, Dead Flamingo and then start up for MMA Hangout after subject to change. It's usually Billy that does this on lunch.

[Gary Owen]

That's your ep, Dan. I was joking. You're not going to lunch with Dan.

[Stugotz]

But at least you didn't interrupt me in order to do it.

[Gary Owen]

Good joke, though.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, great joke. Except that the last time you guys promised that, I ended up watching the March Madness.

[Gary Owen]

Well, we didn't promise. That was a sales thing.

[Stugotz]

Okay, well, all of you are in cahoots.

[Gary Owen]

You agreed to.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was Billy's idea.

[Gary Owen]

No, Dan approved that idea. I knew it was supposed to be a bigger idea than they were.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't push back on the fact that you conceptualize. You conceptualize.

[Gary Owen]

He agreed it was a better idea when I presented it. We couldn't sell it.

[Stugotz]

I have to. Okay. See that? Now our business is in people's face. And I knew that was going to happen. And thank you for nothing.

[Gary Owen]

Sorry about that.

[Stugotz]

No, please, no. Great being. It's why it's a Wild Billy Wednesday. But at least you didn't interrupt me to get it in there. That's the best part of it. Like the best.

[Gary Owen]

What were you getting to?

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I don't remember.

[Dan Le Batard]

The third watch party.

[Stugotz]

No, I wasn't going to the third watch party.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, you should because they're a partner.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, you should. You should be at every one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Love the third watch party, by the way. Yes. A FIFA Club World cup watch party. Saturday, June 14th at Grails in Miami.

[Gary Owen]

Dan will be there. That's a fourth watch party because Dan said there was a pop up for the finals.

[Stugotz]

There is a fourth one.

[Gary Owen]

There you go.

[Dan Le Batard]

This one is somewhere. This one's presented by Boost Mobile and draftkings. It's Inter Miami kicking off the Club World cup, which I actually think is going to be sneaky awesome. What's the Club World Cup? It's the FIFA Club World Cup. Instead of, you know, country clubs, it's the first time they're doing this. It's a World cup, but instead of countries, as Tony pointed to, it's some of the best clubs on the planet. You know, you get to see Champions League and that determines the champions of Europe. Occasionally you'll get to see like four of the qualifying regions and the top teams play one another for a Club World Cup. This time we're actually doing a real World cup style tournament with clubs that have qualified over the course of four years to truly determine which is the best club soccer team on the planet. I'll be present at the. At the girls watch party. Very exciting.

[Stugotz]

But Cody gave you a very insincere, very possible or very probable. And Roy laughed, braying, laughter in his face like a mule eating briars. Roy was. Roy was laughing in his face.

[Gary Owen]

It's a possibility. It's a possibility. That's all it was.

[Stugotz]

It's not a possibility. I don't. It's a possibility. I don't believe he would think of it again.

[Gary Owen]

I got to check with my staff, you know, see what my schedule looks. Put a percentage on it. Put a percentage on it. Somewhere between 4 and and 70. But he's a senile old man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Inter Miami's got no shot at winning this.

[Gary Owen]

But if they were, if they were.

[Dan Le Batard]

To win this, it would be the biggest honor ever bestowed on a club. They'd be the inaugural champion. And you get to see where they stack up against the world's elite. You're going to have dream matchups. LAFC just qualified over Club America. You get LAFC in Atlanta against Chelsea fc. Like you have real huge dream matchups. And the cool thing is the prize pool is such that these teams are going for it. Anytime you see these teams from Europe travel across the pond and do their summer tours, they're getting rotational guys in, developmental guys in. No, they're actually making signings for this. You're going to see Trent Alexander, Arnold in a Real Madrid shirt. You're going to get to see the best, the cream of the crop. And they're going to match up against some MLS teams that are in season. So it'll be really interesting to see where a team like Inter Miami stacks up not just against the Alalis of the world, but against some of the top teams in Brazil if they advance and get to the knockout round. So you see rematches of Messi versus one of his former European clubs. It's incredible.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. I was shocked to look at the betting odds for all 32 teams. I thought because of Lionel Messi alone that they would be higher in regard than they are. But they're middle of the pack. You know, they are just strictly.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's actually quite flattering that they're middle.

[Gary Owen]

Of the pack and actually the Egyptian club that they're playing, you know, this is the first year that the FIFA Club World cup has been a full tournament with 32 teams. But the tournament actually has its lineage to the early 2000s. But the thing is they always used to only play with seven clubs and so it was a very minor deal. It didn't nearly have the stature and the attention.

[Stugotz]

That feels like a. Back in my day, anytime you say they only used to play with seven clubs, that sounds like a.

[Dan Le Batard]

Back in my day, most people didn't even know this thing was going on. It would happen in the middle of the year, usually somewhere in the Middle east. And some of the upper echelon clubs would kind of join in progress. This you actually get to see who is the best club in the world presently. They get to tout that for four years because this is a World cup style knockout tournament.

[Gary Owen]

Yep, really looking forward to it. And also the first match, the first Inter Miami match at Hard Rock Stadium. Super interested to see whether they Fill that place.

[Stugotz]

You will not be at Tony's thing. I don't believe there's a possibility between 4 and 7. I think below, well below 4%.

[Gary Owen]

It could happen.

[Stugotz]

You know what? I will bet you $1,000 it doesn't happen.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, Greg, me, you go 50. 50.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, Tony, I'll be there for about, like, five minutes.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's fine.

[Gary Owen]

Get my money from Dan, then I'm out of there.

[Dan Le Batard]

You just saw a thousand dollars laying on the floor. Greg Cody will travel many a mile to pick up that thousand dollars.

[Gary Owen]

He didn't put any parameters on it. No parameters show up. I get one K from this guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

50.

[Gary Owen]

50. Where's it at? It'll be in a trash bag that Dan got at the bank the other.

[Dan Le Batard]

Day, maybe formerly known as Casa Tiki.

[Stugotz]

It has to be real support offered as part of the MMA coverage to work with Tony as part celebration. It's not an appearance fee to appear and take the thousand dollars.

[Gary Owen]

Backtracking it.

[Stugotz]

It's for a night of work.

[Gary Owen]

It's for this guy.

[Stugotz]

It's for a night of work welshing on his back. You don't get to make it a drive through where you just.

[Gary Owen]

That's what you said. If you go, I'll give you a thousand dollars.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg comes on. He says a couple of things. He talks about some of the fighters.

[Gary Owen]

Big Bam Boom, that kind of thing. He's out of there, and you know it.

[Dan Le Batard]

He doesn't know what time these cards start.

[Stugotz]

He won't make it.

[Dan Le Batard]

10Pm is the first. Is the first fight.

[Gary Owen]

I'm there, man. I'll be there at 10:01. You ain't. That's on Saturday. You're not by 10. Oh, you're not driving.

[Stugotz]

Well, see, you know, See, Chris, you know that we're sending him out to the faces of a crime.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but $1,000 might be the number. It might. It's. It's big enough that that might be.

[Stugotz]

The number if he wants to work that evening again. It's a bet of $1,000. So now he has to show up or he owes me $1,000.

[Gary Owen]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You said. And you can roll the tape or.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whatever they said, I'll bet you $1,000.

[Stugotz]

And these are the parameters.

[Gary Owen]

He said, I'll give you 1000 dol.

[Dan Le Batard]

So what's it do?

[Gary Owen]

You bet the word bet was not used.

[Stugotz]

I would bet you $1,000.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how I heard it.

[Gary Owen]

I said, I'm pretty sure he said, I'll Give you a thousand.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, it's usually implied that he just hemorrhages money and doesn't get anything in return on this show. I get it.

[Stugotz]

One of the great jokes we tell around here. It's a lot of fun, that one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, I'm pretty sure for $1,000, you were going to do it, because that does feel like Tony.

[Stugotz]

He should support his teammate. Like, I don't even understand. Like, that's bare minimum on being a good teammate with teamwork with someone you work with.

[Gary Owen]

Are you gonna be there?

[Dan Le Batard]

Possibly. Possibly.

[Gary Owen]

What about this whole teammate business?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, he's gonna do the one that's online.

[Stugotz]

Teammate. I'm. I'm. I lord over the team. I am not the teammate.

[Gary Owen]

He's Dolan.

[Stugotz]

What, are you confused?

[Dan Le Batard]

The bankrolls the operation.

[Stugotz]

I'm not Dolan. I am not Dolan.

[Gary Owen]

Ishbia.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't wear a hat like that.

[Stugotz]

I am.

[Gary Owen]

Fun to say, huh?

[Stugotz]

It is. Put it on the poll at Lebanon. Exotic is HBF fun to say. We're going to get to the boldest take in a second. I can't believe we didn't get to this with Sampson, though. Have you guys heard? Pablo is doing good work on Pablo. Torrey finds out.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan, I want to say something. I think I'm back on Pablo. You heard the Bill Simmons episode? I did. I heard it. I was listening to it. I was like, you know what? Pablo likable on Bill Simmons. No. Pablo held his ground, and all the arguments that Bill was making on the front end evaporated like that. Pablo was a man in that. Pablo was, like, explaining to Bill basically, like, hey, this is what I do.

[Gary Owen]

This is how I do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, it's stupid, but I take stupid things seriously.

[Gary Owen]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's his whole moniker. But he was very likable in a way that sometimes he's not on the show. But I don't know if that's because.

[Gary Owen]

Of Bill or because of you, Dan.

[Stugotz]

I don't know. We will find out. Everyone here is both a little more likable and a little less likable because of their proximity to me. That's why I go to the bank and cash my cash in garbage bags. That's how the whole thing works. David Sampson has lured Dominique and Pablo into a conversation where he reveals something that might be up for best revelation.

[Gary Owen]

This made my skin crawl.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so your skin. How many people heard about this? This is so foul. And David Sampson is so foul. But he will take you in the bowels of sports business, where no immorality can go. Can go without shame. Like it's unbelievable to watch and listen to this story. Let's listen.

[Gary Owen]

I don't love the fact that I went into an all black church trying to get votes for the stadium. And I stood up there and I said, can I get an amen? I don't love that I did that, but I did. I didn't know that you did that. Oh, I gave a whole sermon. Gave a sermon to a major black church in Miami because I needed their support for public money for the ballpark. How did you dress? How I dressed is I went to visit a black tailor and I had a suit made for me by Andre Dawson's tailor. So I looked like Andre Dawson. And it was awesome. And we had a plan of all the different people we had to get votes from. So we went to the Cubans, we went to the non Cuban estate. 100%. I had to go get one. Instantly made a guy of era. So I had to wear that to the kids. I think it's gaia vada. I don't really know how to say it. These guys are funny. But I did give it. I did give the sermon and I did. I. I felt like I had the room enough.

[Stugotz]

What does a sermon?

[Gary Owen]

It was about all the things that this 65 inch white Jewish guy could do for them. It was going great. And I had. I. I had eyes with my. It was going great. It was. So they were giving you amens. I did not. No, I just had. I had the view that I had their attention. I had the view that they were looking at me as though I was one of them. And so I built up to this crescendo and I look over at the bishop, then I look out at the audience, I look back at the Cuban consigliere and I look at the crowd. I say, can I get an amen? And then I walked out and it was awesome.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, God. I didn't like that. I didn't like how he said guayabera. That's what I'm referring. That was a part. Everything else seemed fine. Gallabera.

[Stugotz]

So I want to do something with this because I'm telling you, we have a total new ad campaign around here. If we started to sell with David Sampson gringo trying to poorly be Hispanic guy. I sell you gallaberas instead of. See guayaberas instead of that. Can you get the sound of him? Try. We've got to do a Spanish off with David Sampson because I want you guys to absorb how Hard it would be to offend black people the way that he just did and have them be the second most aggrieved group in everything. That was just said because of how he pronounced Guayabera.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, thankfully, we had the most popular black comic in San Diego.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Gaia. Guy Barra is absolutely a great ad campaign. David Sampson will do things on behalf of business that are. Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

A guy of era.

[Stugotz]

I mean, guy that is like your.

[Gary Owen]

Dad'S friend, Guy Ivera. You're like, oh, I know that guy. That's Guy. I know him. Guy.

[Stugotz]

I feel like that's also how he would say the name of the dictator before Castro.

[Gary Owen]

Guyvera.

[Stugotz]

Like, I don't think he knows the difference between those things.

[Gary Owen]

A guy of era.

[Stugotz]

Find the Thetas.

[Gary Owen]

Tetas tater tots.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what she said.

[Gary Owen]

A guy of era.

[Stugotz]

We'll get to the boldest take in a second. I thought we were all in agreement that James Dolan is a known buffoon. Am I saying anything that is not. There's no way that this is in any way controversial. Correct. That he is meddlesome. He's the worst of what rich owners are. That he disrespects Knicks royalty such that it is. They don't really have royalty because they don't have any real winning, but the royalty that they do have that represents winning won about as much as the guy they just fired. It's the best of Knicks history is not a great Knicks history. They just fired the coach most responsible for producing the best feeling there in 25 years. It's weird. Whatever your standards are on what coaching and leadership are supposed to be, I can say that everyone can get tired of a voice after five years. And I can also say you're not going to do a whole lot better than fibs. He's pretty good. Like, whatever it is that you're getting might be different, might be a different ingredient, might be part of changed architecture. But he's among the best. We all know this to be. So.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but what about an impeccably dressed Jay Wright that walks in? Could he be better? The unknown college coach with the Armani suits brings suits back to the NBA. All of a sudden, Jay Wright's on the sideline with a suit on.

[Gary Owen]

We're saying, hold on. New York is back in a big way.

[Stugotz]

So this is what we're doing. This is what we're doing. This is how we're going to be the savior.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan.

[Stugotz]

All right, but this is how we're going to coach. We're going to take leadership. We are all in agreement. The analysis of the Knicks autopsy is the team exceeded every expectation over the last two years to make New York hope for the first time in 24, 25 years that they would be good enough to beat the Celtics. Built to beat the Celtics, did beat the Celtics. Hadn't accounted for the Pacers. Changing times, changing architects. The whole thing can fall apart on you fast. Dallas is in the playoffs. No, they're not. Kevin Durant and Phoenix are right there. No, they're not. Boston's right there. Three, four years. No, they're not. Seven champions in seven years. Now, who's got to be better than okc? How do I build it better than okc? Tibbs, you're fired. How do I build it better than okc? How do we get past okc? Tibs, you're fired. And it's like, okay, but if that's what the standard is, it's not going to be because Jay Wright comes through the door. It's going to be Jay Wright comes to the door and we're trading Karl Anthony Towns or we're doing something. Because this group of players, this amount of money, 93% tied up in six players, means you can get some bench, but not much. And it's going to be this six guy. And I hope Bridges can play another round of seasons without getting hurt, because he always does. As we waste another year of Anobi and his perimeter defense, because this was built to beat the Celtics, and that's not what you got to beat anymore. Now you got to beat okc. It's not about beat the Pacers. Yeah, it's the Pacers and Cleveland and wherever Giannis ends up. And now you're behind. And now two weeks ago, we were saying, hey, your management team, what a great job the Knicks management team did, huh? The right places, in all the right places. Beat Boston.

[Dan Le Batard]

Built it.

[Stugotz]

Best feeling in 25 years. Tibbs, you're fired. It's asinine. We can agree on that, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not particularly fair. But Tibbs, for damn near 20 years, has always been reputed as a guy that just can't quite get over that hump. He is a franchise changer. He is kind of a fixer, but he's a guy that just won't get you over there. Kind of the way that Larry Brown was viewed for a very long time until he changed that narrative. Kind of the way that Rick Carlisle was viewed for a very long time until he changed that narrative. It's a bummer that in New York, after giving them something that they've been yearning for for decades, that's not viewed as enough. He's not given the opportunity to change the narrative the way that the other two coaches were.

[Stugotz]

Can I just talk to you guys about this part of it though? When we do the analysis and I say to Karl Anthony Town's bad at defense. Is it because he's bad at defense or is it because he doesn't care and there's something physically about him that either is a deficiency at defense, can't block shot, cement footed, not good at defense, or doesn't care enough to give you defense. When you say change the narrative on can't get you the next step. If I sit here and tell you that Tibbs was the one coaching okc, would you say that he's the coach who can't make it the next step? Like, because I believe we can all agree he maxed out. Whatever this was, whatever you had on next steps. These are the furthest steps the Knicks have taken. And so whatever you thought this was going to be, that's better than this two games from the finals. To me, there's not a coach who's like, and I can do this and I can do that and I'll be six games better because you know it. Cause there's another coach who does know how to take next steps. I'd say, as it regards Larry Brown. Oh, he could have always done it. And then he had the team that actually did it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Took that team from Carlisle, though. Yeah, like, it's like it's the moving lever of this guy's good enough until.

[Gary Owen]

He'S not good enough until he is.

[Dan Le Batard]

And this is a narrative. This is a narrative that we've seen in others sports. Tony Dungy just couldn't get over the hump. Now he could in Indianapolis, but they needed Gruden to get them over there. In soccer, there is bountiful examples of managers that aren't viewed as guys that can win. And then the replacement just strolls on in and changes fortunes.

[Stugotz]

Thank you. I have now filibustered long enough, Greg Cody to get the sound that I wanted, which is the correct sound you guys have seen over the course of the last few years. It's been a marvel and delight to watch blossom on television. The reinvention of the career of Mad Dog Russo, who once upon a time invented Barking Sports radio and makes a career resuscitation no one saw coming in his 60s, just pining for the days of 60s basketball players. No one thought there'd be a lane for it. But again, the old white man wins in the media. It's a rare upset. So Mad Dog is back. And of course, everybody would want to know. Mad Dog remains. This is what a titan of a career remains, an important New York voice. People want to know what he thinks about things happening in Knicks management. And so when Mad Dog goes crazy on satellite radio and one of the most amazing careers anyone has had, people want to hearken back to the time of Dolph Shays and whatever it is that Mad Dog wants to talk about from the 60s. Let's see what name pops up here from the 60s or 70s.

[Gary Owen]

Anybody who knows anything about basketball knows that Indiana had better players and more of them than the Knicks did. Or if God didn't let the ball bounce in with Halberton's three or two at the end of Game 1, the Knicks would have won that series. This has got nothing to do with. You think Rose wanted to fire Tom Thibodeau after he got to a conference final. But Rose doesn't have any power there. Dolan does. He sits on the baseline with a dopey hat on, thinking that he knows something about. But he wouldn't even know who. George Mikanez. He knows nothing. He's there because his old man was a brilliant businessman and he took over. That's what this is all about. Oh, my gosh. The guy that ran Marv Albert out of the building. What a joke. Have Dolan sit there and get peppered with questions by legitimate media people, not guys who work. And I'm not saying they're not legitimate, but they're in a difficult situation. Not the guys who work for msg. Let them have a press conference for. I don't care if it takes six hours and everybody has a chance to go and ask him a why? Because this is not fair. Who gave his life and blood to the franchise and took him to the conference fought. I've been there since 2000. My God Almighty. And you get him out because you lost a rugged six game series to Indiana. Oh, come on, please. What a disgrace that is.

[Stugotz]

Quality, quality. Man, talk about fastball.

[Gary Owen]

He has George Michael. He doesn't know who George Micah even is.

[Stugotz]

Well, I heard Roy get complicated there where he's like, yeah, but Marv had that biting thing bad. And we all just sort of wandered away uncomfortably from the name Marv Albert. Oh, man.

[Gary Owen]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

If we were to call my father now, we should call my father and just get his thoughts on Marv Albert, it's.

[Gary Owen]

We could just go there maybe.

[Stugotz]

Let's do the Boost Mobile hotline.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Boost Mobile bonus take is presented by boost Mobile, the newest 5G network in the country. You can call at 305-486-G O T Z. That's got 305-486-4689.

[Gary Owen]

My name is Lou Sellers from Greenfield, Wisconsin. My boldest take is Devastating Leopard is the nickelback of the 80s. This is Chris on Immobil from California. I think every NBA and WNBA coach should have to run a wind sprint if they lose the coach's challenge. Thanks. I'll hang up and listen.

[Dan Le Batard]

George Kittle looks like he wears shoes with holes cut out for each individual toe.

[Gary Owen]

Hey, it's Paul from Georgia. I got Mrs. Clump from the nutty Professor.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, with my little Hercules Hecalib her to leave.

[Gary Owen]

Hey, Cincinnati Lou. If you yell mashed potatoes at a golf event, you should be immediately ejected. He's getting jumped upon and dunked upon because that's reef la friends. His man is open now he's floating. Cause you know that's rhe flo friends. Is that Kendrick Perkins waiting? Yeah, he's waiting to downground Rifle France. Ray fluff France. Played several places. Started out at Kansas, ended up with the Blazers. He was just okay, but they let everyone in. So. Hall of famer one day. Oh, he blocked shots back in people's faces. And he knocked down threes on a regular basis when rape la prance played in all those places. This is Evan from Broward. My boldest take Mother Teresa. The most famous mother. I can't name another famous mother.

[Stugotz]

Rackham.

[Gary Owen]

Mary.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, y' all, the super bowl is in the rearview mirror. The draft has come and gone. So now what?

[Gary Owen]

Now it's time to get the crew together. You keep the fandom energy going. It doesn't stop when the Super Bowl's gone. We gather.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly. And look, just because the pads are off doesn't mean game day stops around here. We do game days even in the off season. And what better way to do that than with a cold drink and your people around?

[Gary Owen]

You've heard it all season long. Football is not a solo thing. This is not a me thing. This is not an I thing. This is a we thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

There is no I in fandom, baby. So grab your crew, grab some Smirnoff, and get into that off season groove. Summer workouts, training camp, rumors, fantasy football prep, it's all coming, folks.

[Gary Owen]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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