Hour 1: College Football Playoff Closing Arguments

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Hour 1: College Football Playoff Closing Arguments
Release Date: December 3, 2024

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Introduction

In the inaugural hour of their latest episode, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve deep into the contentious and heated discussions surrounding the upcoming College Football Playoff (CFP). Hosted from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, the team brings their signature blend of sports analysis, humor, and candid debates to dissect which teams truly deserve a spot in the playoff, with a particular spotlight on the Miami Hurricanes' candidacy.

Debating Miami's Playoff Candidacy

The primary focus of the discussion centers on whether the Miami Hurricanes should secure a spot in the CFP. The hosts analyze Miami's performance metrics, recent losses, and overall record to evaluate their legitimacy as playoff contenders.

Dan Le Batard asserts, “I discuss. I do not argue. I am a lady. Yeah, he argues, though.” at [01:28], highlighting his approach to the debate.

Billy Gil passionately counters Miami's standing by stating, “Every single one of you forgetting that Alabama lost 24 to 3 two weeks ago to an abysmal Oklahoma Sooner team. Get out of this playoff discussion and take that other three loss SEC team that you beat with you.” at [02:30]. This underscores the frustration with Miami's two recent losses against Syracuse and Georgia Tech.

Comparisons with Other Teams

The conversation shifts to comparing Miami with other prominent teams such as Alabama, Syracuse, South Carolina, and the Florida Gators. The hosts dissect each team's strengths, weaknesses, and head-to-head matchups to argue their positions.

Billy Gil emphasizes Miami's recent losses: “Syracuse got blown out by Ole Miss. I mean like South Carolina got blown out by Ole Miss... Alabama beat them straight up, and they have the same record.” at [03:31]. This comparison serves to question Miami's consistency and resilience.

Conversely, Stugotz supports Miami by highlighting their impressive victories: “You just want to forget that Miami destroyed Florida by 40 points.” at [04:29]. He emphasizes Miami's dominant performances against strong teams, suggesting their potential in the playoff.

Recency Bias and Committee Decisions

A significant portion of the debate revolves around the CFP committee's potential recency bias in selecting teams. The hosts analyze how recent performances can disproportionately influence the committee's decisions, potentially overshadowing the season-long achievements of teams.

Dan Le Batard questions the committee's approach: “If we're looking at what the College Football Playoff committee does, they go off recency bias. Am I incorrect in saying that?” at [05:30].

Billy Gil reinforces this point by pointing out Miami's recent defeats: “Miami then has two losses to Syracuse and Georgia Tech. You want to look at what they've done recently?” at [05:43]. The hosts debate whether these recent setbacks should significantly impact Miami's playoff chances despite their overall strong record.

Host Insights and Personal Opinions

Throughout the episode, the hosts interject their personal opinions and frustrations, adding layers to the discussion. Their candid exchanges reveal the passionate stakes involved in college football debates.

Billy Gil voices strong emotions regarding the situation: “I feel like I'm going crazy here.” at [03:31], reflecting the intensity of the debate over Miami's standing.

Stugotz brings a historical perspective, reminiscing about Syracuse's legacy: “But Dan, you know what the C in college football stands for? Chaos.” at [19:30], adding a nuanced view of the unpredictable nature of college football dynamics.

NFL and Other Sports Commentary

While the primary focus remains on college football, the hosts also weave in discussions about NFL teams and other sports topics, providing a broader sports context. These segments, though tangential, enrich the conversation by connecting college football debates to the larger sports landscape.

Mike Ryan touches on NFL standings and coaching decisions: “How is it that Chris Cody and Mike Ryan are vigorously nodding that yes? The Lions... they need a loss.” at [22:46], illustrating the interplay between college and professional football narratives.

Concluding Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, the hosts synthesize their arguments, emphasizing the complexity and subjectivity inherent in playoff selections. They acknowledge the multifaceted criteria that the CFP committee must navigate, from win-loss records to head-to-head matchups and recent performances.

Dan Le Batard concludes, “I miss Jessica so much.” at [08:47], signaling a brief respite from the heated debate, but the underlying tension remains palpable as the hosts underline the uncertainties surrounding the final playoff selections.

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Notable Quotes

• Dan Le Batard: “I discuss. I do not argue. I am a lady. Yeah, he argues, though.” [01:28]

• Billy Gil: “Every single one of you forgetting that Alabama lost 24 to 3 two weeks ago to an abysmal Oklahoma Sooner team. Get out of this playoff discussion and take that other three loss SEC team that you beat with you.” [02:30]

• Billy Gil: “Miami then has two losses to Syracuse and Georgia Tech. You want to look at what they've done recently?” [05:43]

• Dan Le Batard: “If we're looking at what the College Football Playoff committee does, they go off recency bias. Am I incorrect in saying that?” [05:30]

• Stugotz: “But Dan, you know what the C in college football stands for? Chaos.” [19:30]

Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers an in-depth and spirited exploration of the College Football Playoff landscape, particularly focusing on Miami's controversial bid for inclusion. Through robust debates, personal insights, and a touch of humor, the hosts shed light on the multifaceted considerations that define playoff selections, leaving listeners both informed and entertained.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Lucy Rodin]

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[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stuttgarts podcast. Greg Cody, that microphone needs to be in front of your face when you're doing the show. That's the way that one works.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

I was told that you're going to be on with us tomorrow as well, that we've got you tomorrow. You didn't know that either? Were you. Are you on with us or are you not on with us?

[Chris Cody]

Has that been confirmed?

[Stugotz]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

You.

[Stugotz]

Are you serious?

[Chris Cody]

No, I'm kidding. Yes, I'll be on tomorrow.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. Excellent.

[Chris Cody]

God willing.

[Mike Ryan]

Greg, you've noticed that Lucy and Mike are still arguing, right? That they've been arguing since the first hour of the show, on air and off air, about whether Miami should be in the playoffs.

[Dan Le Batard]

I discuss. I do not argue. I am a lady. Yeah, he argues, though.

[Billy Gil]

And when I'm out dueled, I just get louder because I am a man.

[Dan Le Batard]

So emotional.

[Billy Gil]

I really regret that clip being isolated. Well, it's just. It's a crazy argument to me. Like, okay, they lost two of their last three. Okay, we're just gonna ignore what Alabama did. At the end of the season, I'm being called crazy for saying Syracuse is just as good as Alabama. You know what's crazy to me? Yeah, laugh it up, asshole.

[Stugotz]

I mean, it's ridiculous. Wow.

[Billy Gil]

Here's what's crazy to me. Every single one of you forgetting that Alabama lost 24 to 3 two weeks ago to an abysmal Oklahoma Sooner team. Get out of this playoff discussion and take that other three loss SEC team that you beat with you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who is talking about Alabama but you? Alabama is. Bring up Alabama but you.

[Billy Gil]

They are presently the betting favorite to make the College Football Playoff.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who here has said that?

[Billy Gil]

Well, when you invoke what they've done.

[Dan Le Batard]

Recently, that doesn't sound like an answer.

[Billy Gil]

Lucy, you invoked what Miami has done recently.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not voting for Alabama. But you're arguing Syracuse is better than South Carolina is batshit crazy and we're bad.

[Billy Gil]

Why is it batshit crazy? Syracuse got blown out by Ole Miss. I mean like South Carolina got blown out by Ole Miss. South Carolina has three losses. Syracuse, South Carolina lost to Alabama, who two weeks ago lost 243 to the worst Oklahoma team many of you have seen in your lifetimes. So that's not a good football team.

[Dan Le Batard]

You keep talking about losses. And something that you have emphasized so much is that The Miami has 10 wins.

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the best win for Miami?

[Billy Gil]

They have one more than the other teams. Which counts? It counts.

[Dan Le Batard]

Answer the question.

[Mike Ryan]

Or the Gators.

[Stugotz]

Louis.

[Billy Gil]

Gators. You seem to be really big on what's happened recently. So you just want to forget that Miami destroyed Florida by 40 points. And you, you said DJ Lagway as if he didn't play half the game. Let me tell you something. The gulf between those two, the gulf between those two teams. I'm going to get louder. The gulf between those two teams was not the quarterback. You go, man, that was a blowout. That was not something. That was one within the margins for Miami. Miami was a great deal better than Florida. Who has beaten Ole Miss, who went to overtime and probably wins that game against Tennessee, Who. Don't even get me started on them. If Lagway doesn't get hurt in that.

[Jessica]

Game, Florida would probably win if they played next season.

[Dan Le Batard]

So your best win is over a 7 and 5 football team?

[Billy Gil]

My best win is probably over. Look, we want to talk about ranked wins all the time. I think the talent has been spread out. It's arbitrary. Miami has three wins inside the top 30. All right? And that puts them among the best. So if you just extrapolate it out or if we wait a couple of hours for the cfp, we might see a scenario in which Duke, Louisville and possibly Florida are all ranked. So miss me with that one.

[Dan Le Batard]

So your best Wins are a 7 and 5 Georgia Tech team and a 7 and 5 Florida team. I just want to make sure I'm.

[Billy Gil]

Hearing your argument for South Carolina is that they're good right now. So you're gonna put South Carolina in over Alabama. Alabama beat them straight up, and they have the same record.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike, you can't put them in. Answering the questions I'm asking.

[Billy Gil]

You can't put them in. Who are you putting in? Who are you putting in? Because it sounds like you're riding off of recent vibes, which is South Carolina.

[Dan Le Batard]

Which is important when we're discussing.

[Billy Gil]

They lost Alabama head to head is important.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't choose who's in the playoff, and I wish I did.

[Billy Gil]

Well, it doesn't seem like you're picking anybody for the playoff.

[Dan Le Batard]

Except for Incredibly cool. However, if we're looking at what the College Football Playoff committee does, they go off recency bias. Am I incorrect in saying that?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Chris Cody]

Correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you, Greg.

[Billy Gil]

Recency bias. Okay, well, then if. Let's go off of recency bias. Miami then has two losses to Syracuse and Georgia Tech.

[Lucy Rodin]

I am so muddy right now.

[Billy Gil]

Excuse me. Excuse me. They have two losses in the recency bias. Georgia Tech and Syracuse. You want to look at what they've done recently?

[Dan Le Batard]

Beat Miami.

[Billy Gil]

You want. Yeah, they beat Miami. Who's a good team you want hung with Georgia. Should have beat them. Was up 14 at Georgia. You want to look at what those teams have done?

[Lucy Rodin]

I know what we need.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Billy Gil]

Lucy, you're the worst kind of hater because all you got right now is Miami shouldn't be in. You're punting on putting a team in. You're hinting that it should be South Carolina. You're saying that what happens recently matters. But you're forgetting the fact that South Carolina lost straight up to Alabama, and that matters more than what happened in the last three weeks.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not true.

[Billy Gil]

Yes, it does. You can't put South Carolina in over Alabama because Alabama beat them and they have the same record. You keep them both out because they're both overrated.

[Dan Le Batard]

I miss Jessica so much.

[Jessica]

I wonder why Lucy's only here once every two weeks.

[Mike Ryan]

This. Go ahead. And are you done with everything?

[Billy Gil]

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[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Lucy Rodin]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Billy Gil]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Billy Gil]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I think they're actually gonna like it.

[Stugotz]

We owe them one.

[Billy Gil]

They kicked the table. Syracuse isn't better than Alabama. You're crazy. They lost 24 to 3 to a horrible Oklahoma team. I feel like I'm going crazy here.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, they are better than Alabama because.

[Billy Gil]

Oklahoma was better than Alabama. And Oklahoma sucks ass.

[Mike Ryan]

All right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Syracuse lost to Stanford.

[Billy Gil]

They didn't score a goddamn touchdown. What are we talking about?

[Stugotz]

This is what I wanted.

[Mike Ryan]

It is what you wanted. Greg, you owe $5. Added to last week, $6. I sure will. Do you have the money?

[Chris Cody]

No, I don't.

[Billy Gil]

All right.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Lucy Rodin]

I sure would.

[Stugotz]

That's 11. That's.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

I. Okay. I'm eliminating the fine bucket. It's gone. So you guys all lose the money. Because it's all my money. So I'm done. Fine bucket's done. Because if no one's gonna pay the fine Bucket. It's over. We are kill the show. I'm not going to be the only one paying the fines around here. So it's over forever. Nobody's going to get any more of my money in the fine bucket. And Greg Cody can be the one blamed for that because you're welcome. Most of the money was mine. You guys weren't. Actually cost very much. People made money on this as a transaction. I'm done with it. I'm not doing the fine bucket anymore. If no one's ever going to pay their fines. Like I'm not going to.

[Stugotz]

How about the bucket of death? I mean.

[Mike Ryan]

No, we still got to do that. We do, yes. The thing that is happening there with and we got to get to these weekend observations is that Mike, at this point, because you requested it, you said you were unsatisfied that Mike wasn't emotional enough yesterday. What has now happened today is him and Lucy are having some of the biggest fights in the history of the company. And on top of that, we've got a situation where all of us have been trying to get Mike off of this subject. We've thrown honking birds at him. Billy just threw off a stray. They're eating the dogs. That Mike didn't even hear. Mike didn't even hear it because he threw in a straight. They're eating the dogs.

[Billy Gil]

I heard it. I was kicking the table at the time.

[Mike Ryan]

And Mike is also not wrong. I know that everyone listening to this is saying, get out of here. Syracuse is better than.

[Billy Gil]

You don't know ball. Hey, listener, you don't know ball.

[Mike Ryan]

Can I finish the point, please? I know everyone is saying to that listening. I know what Alabama has been. I know what Syracuse has been. I'm not going to accept the argument that Syracuse would be as good as Alabama. I just won't do it. But if I gave Alabama what Syracuse offense does, you guys would think Alabama is a lot better than Alabama is. Because what Syracuse offense does is throw the ball more than anybody in the sport. And it keeps their coach from being Coach Stinky more often because he lost three games this year and refused to shower. We didn't even talk about that. Miami denied us that at the end of the season. Fran Brown. Fran Brown not showering. Because after he loses a game, he does not shower.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, we'll talk to him about that. On God bless Football this week you.

[Billy Gil]

Can ask him if he would lose 24 to 3 to Oklahoma because he wouldn't. He would win.

[Mike Ryan]

Syracuse has a great passing offense, a fun passing offense. Buzz. But Lucy does get your ass when she says they lost to Stanford. Like Stanford's really bad.

[Billy Gil]

Stanford stinks. There's bad losses everywhere. You guys seem to forget the bad losses for the SEC teams or the fact that some SEC teams have more losses. It matters in a year like this. Stop applying your SEC logic from 10 years ago. You are parts of the problem.

[Chris Cody]

Mike, when Miami in the rankings tonight is ranked number 11 in the CFP, that's gonna suck. Does that Mute all of your outrage.

[Billy Gil]

It shows me that the committee has been rational about what we've seen out of the SEC this year. Now, they've shown us time and time again that they're always going to rank the ACC higher than the AP and the coaches poll. Disregard those polls. They all exist for confirmation bias for preseason rankings, which are asinine. It's an asinine thing. So I would be hopeful. And all of this is going to feel really ridiculous if Clemson ends up winning a home game and keeps all three of those teams out.

[Jessica]

Why are the final rankings on Sunday going to take four hours?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know.

[Stugotz]

You have to milk it, Billy.

[Jessica]

It's way too much. Four hours in the middle of an NFL Sunday. I mean, Dolphins, jets are going on.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would just say my kind of closing moment on this, which I'd like to.

[Stugotz]

Speaker 2. You're going to rest your case, huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

If Clemson wins, none of this means shit, right? Miami has put themselves in a position where Dabo Sweeney decides their fate. That's fucking crazy.

[Billy Gil]

It is, but it's also crazy.

[Dan Le Batard]

When they were in the acc, they avoided the two toughest teams in the conference. Miami should be in Charlotte this weekend, and they are not. And now it is all riding on Dabo Sweeney. That is the situation that they are in, that they put themselves in. Don't lose to Georgia Tech. Don't lose to Syracuse. When you're a top five team in.

[Billy Gil]

The country, there's plenty of bad losses. There's only one team that essentially doesn't have a bad loss. I hear you, but that's a byproduct. As we covered and agreed on the fact that these conferences, none of these teams played one another and we saw closing.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought I said we were done.

[Jessica]

Davos kind of controlled Miami's fate for the past, like 15 years though, right?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Nice hat, Lucy. Nice hat.

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[Mike Ryan]

That's how it's going to end. The mailing it in. End of the retirement. Chris, go get me. This is just going to be him coming out and hitting the one or two notes of that kind of thing and you know it. And then just giving us finger guns and leave it, baby.

[Chris Cody]

You should listen to the Greg Cody show podcast because that's all we do for 55 minutes a week is just say catchphrases. We even make songs about them. And you know it is a song, for crying out loud. It's great. Hopefully that's a SUI nominee for best song. And you know it, baby and you.

[Stugotz]

Know it Stugats and you know it.

[Chris Cody]

Baby and you know it and you.

[Stugotz]

Know it.

[Chris Cody]

And you know it, baby.

[Stugotz]

And you know it.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with these two gods. Do weekend observations, please. It is time for Stu guys to share his game notes. No one in the media will tell you what happened better than my boy Stu.

[Stugotz]

Weekend observations brought to you by Miller Lite. Great taste. Just 96 calories available for delivery. Dan. This university has a proud football history and tradition. Legendary names such as Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Larry Zonka, Floyd Little and of course, David Tyree. Later on, Dwight Freeney, Donovan McNabb, Daryl Johnston and Harvin Marison. But Dan, that was a long time ago. They haven't been relevant in over two decades until Saturday. Because on Saturday, Dan, they sprung the 42 to 38 upset over Miami and kept the Hurricanes out of the playoffs. And Dan, just like that. Make no mistake about it, Syracuse football is back. Damn good team, college football. Chippy. Dan, you know what the C in college football stands for?

[Mike Ryan]

Chippy?

[Stugotz]

Good guess, but no, it stands for chaos.

[Mike Ryan]

That part's fun.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, it is. I would take a play in game Alabama, Miami. Would you? I mean that would be great. Do away with the conference championship games and just have a weekend of playing games.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the great, the great thing happening around Everything here. Because I think somebody's gonna have to play four more games than they used to.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Give us more games. Give us more play ins.

[Stugotz]

More games.

[Mike Ryan]

Make it 40. Make it March Madness in football. Make it. Make the games happening every minute. Yes.

[Stugotz]

It turns out Syracuse and Mario Cristobal was just too much for Cam Ward to overcome. The Philadelphia Eagles and Vic Fangio. It just feels right.

[Mike Ryan]

It does.

[Stugotz]

Thanks.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. He should coach with a cheesesteak in the press box. It does feel right.

[Stugotz]

Thank you. Wink Martindale was born to coach defense. Top five guys who were born to coach defense. Number five, Wade Phillips.

[Mike Ryan]

Do you think many people in our audience know that? Wink Martindale, that that name is famous as a game show host? A long time ago that.

[Stugotz]

Just the three of us, me, you and Greg.

[Mike Ryan]

It's such a ridiculous name and it's not the first time we've heard it. Crazy.

[Billy Gil]

Chuck Woolery died a couple weeks ago.

[Mike Ryan]

He did?

[Billy Gil]

Yeah. Dan, Chuck Woolery died.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, wow.

[Lucy Rodin]

The Wool.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, the Wool. Number four, Buddy Ryan. Number three, Wink Martindale. Number two, Monty Kiffin.

[Mike Ryan]

Billy, can you find for me Wink Martindale's game show hosting history, please?

[Jessica]

He's still with us, by the way. Wink it.

[Stugotz]

Yes. Did Dan kill him?

[Jessica]

No, no. I'm just saying the fine buckets.

[Stugotz]

We've done away with it.

[Jessica]

90 or something. So we can kill anyone.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Welcome. Yes. Tic Tac Dough. Right wing Martindale.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know.

[Stugotz]

100%. One of the great game shows of all time.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't remember. I don't associate.

[Stugotz]

Tac Doe.

[Mike Ryan]

I heard you and Billy will look it up. He'll find out. Wink Martindale is one of the most famous game show host names of all time.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Number one, Spags. The Chiefs didn't win that game. The Raiders lost it. Joe Burrow said he needs to do more. Joe, I have to be honest with you. You don't and I don't think you can. He's done enough. He's fantastic. The Chiefs to Dance Point are the worst 11 and one team in NFL history. Don't you dare hit that button. I'm supporting you.

[Mike Ryan]

This is a sacred space here. We can't kick you out during the weekend. Observ.

[Stugotz]

Good. If I didn't know better, I would have thought Andy Reid was purposely trying to lose that game. Chicago Bears great loss. Lions bad win.

[Mike Ryan]

What?

[Stugotz]

The Lions need a loss. I'm telling you, they're peaking at the wrong time. They are. You need a loss, you need Dan. You need to reset. You need to reset.

[Mike Ryan]

How is it that Chris Cody and Mike Ryan are vigorously nodding that yes? The Lions. The Lions. The Lions who have done nothing but lose for 100 years.

[Stugotz]

They need one now.

[Mike Ryan]

They need a loss.

[Billy Gil]

He's right.

[Lucy Rodin]

It happened to the Cyclones this year, actually.

[Billy Gil]

They need a wake up early.

[Stugotz]

Right?

[Billy Gil]

They need a wake up call. Even though they look wide awake right now. They need a wake up call.

[Stugotz]

You need to be. You need to be humbled. You do.

[Jessica]

And the Bears botched it for them. That Bear game doesn't count as the loss that they needed because the Bears blew it. So they learned nothing from that game. It's a situation where you lose, you learn something. They won that game. They should have lost it. They learned nothing because of how idiotic the Bears were. So now they need another loss.

[Stugotz]

Right. Like the Ravens, Dan. They're losing at the right time. This is the time to lose. Yeah. Good.

[Chris Cody]

For sure.

[Mike Ryan]

Point is what? You said.

[Chris Cody]

Billy made a very good point.

[Jessica]

Thank you, Greg.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Oh, it was mine. But I mean.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, you know what?

[Mike Ryan]

It's not a good point. None of you are making a good point.

[Jessica]

You don't get it.

[Chris Cody]

You don't get it.

[Billy Gil]

You sound like a fool.

[Mike Ryan]

You're saying they're better off at 14 and 2, then they're going to be a 15 and 1 or 15 and 2 instead of 16 and 1.

[Stugotz]

100.

[Billy Gil]

That's a lot of games went in a row. You think they can do that? I don't think they can. They need a law.

[Chris Cody]

Same guy who supports flag planning.

[Jessica]

1964 to 1965. You could find Wink on what's this Song? 91 episodes.

[Mike Ryan]

What else?

[Jessica]

There's a lot. How's your mother in law? Why'd you give us the 17 episodes of a show called how's your mother in law?

[Lucy Rodin]

That sounds terrifying.

[Stugotz]

Yes, I am. He had a run. Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I want. I want to examine what all of these shows were. We'll get to that in a second.

[Billy Gil]

That's a fear factor right there.

[Lucy Rodin]

That's my nightmare.

[Billy Gil]

Checking on your dad.

[Stugotz]

The Patriots. Sorry. The Patriots lead the NFL in great losses, but I'm not certain any team in NFL history has had two better back to back losses than the Carolina Panthers. So good. They found out that they have a quarterback, Dan. And they lost games they needed. Needed to lose. Needed to lose. Wow. That is a good job. By that Drew lock can scoot 27 points, 14 assists, five rebounds, two blocks and grinding out a win in Utah on a Sunday night at the age of 39. Tip of the cap to LeBron James.

[Mike Ryan]

One of the things. Dugats, that's super interesting on what you just said about Bryce Young, because I.

[Stugotz]

Thought you meant Drew Locke. But anyway.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but the Bryce Young thing is super interesting because I think all of us, we know how tenuous these things are. It happened to Baker Mayfield in Cleveland. If Andy Dalton doesn't get into a car accident, Bryce Young is headed to career backup.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Like he's. He. So what? It's just because Andy Dalton helped that team and franchise and kid more by getting into a car accident than by mentoring him.

[Stugotz]

That's what he does. The red rifle, whatever he has to do to help the team out.

[Billy Gil]

But also the benching. The benching is.

[Mike Ryan]

But I'm saying it looked like he was going to get waived, though. It looked like they were going to trade him. Like it looked like it was over in Carolina did.

[Billy Gil]

And now it looks like the rare occasion in which they actually managed the situation the right way, which is not something that they've done with that position.

[Mike Ryan]

Since Tepper got there by getting into a car accident.

[Stugotz]

Bryce Young should pay for all the things that happened to Dalton during that accident. Right? If there were tickets, hospital bills, whatever he needs. Right?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, agreed. Bryce Young should absolutely pay for all his meals, everything for saving his career for during this time.

[Chris Cody]

That after the car accident, mysteriously, Bryce Young happens to know the guy in the other car, Andy Dalton.

[Lucy Rodin]

Is that so he created the accident.

[Chris Cody]

This is all plan. Yeah. I have inside info, right?

[Stugotz]

Inside dope.

[Billy Gil]

I like it.

[Stugotz]

Speaking of a tip of the cap. Damn, we lost one. Let's tip a cap for Luke Cardiseca. I mean, Luke Arnasecca passed away. One of the great coaches in college.

[Mike Ryan]

Basketball history, Chris Cody, was just looking at us. Who is that? It's a former St. John's coach who was famous for wearing sweaters. Back then, college basketball mattered because the players played there for four years.

[Stugotz]

I still can't believe that losing to a bad Michigan team at home was the second most embarrassing thing to happen to the Ohio State football team on Saturday. Ohio State, next time you lose at home to a 6 and 5 Michigan team, do me a favor, take your medicine and walk off the fucking field. Thanks. Sorry. Too aggressive. Enough of them. Seriously. Here's a rule. If you don't want a flag planted on your field, install turf. Rivalry Week. What?

[Mike Ryan]

You're scared of that word?

[Stugotz]

I hate that word. Rivalry Week delivered. Nothing says Rivalry Week quite like Miami and Syracuse.

[Dan Le Batard]

When we were at the hotel after Rose got Pepper Sprayed. She looked at me and go, goes. I didn't know Miami and Syracuse were rivals.

[Stugotz]

If we gave out MVP awards just based on cool plays, it would be Josh Allen's award to lose death, taxes, and our nation's annual reminder of the greatness that is Gus Johnson.

[Mike Ryan]

Put it on the poll, please, Juju. If we gave out, what were you giving out for cool plays?

[Stugotz]

If we gave out the MVP just based on cool plays, Josh Allen would win it in a landslide.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, put it on the poll at lerd show. If we're giving out the MVP based only on cool plays, who gets the mvp? Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson?

[Stugotz]

Only Gus Johnson can make a 1310 game seem like a shootout. He is so good. So good, man. Gus Johnson has the rare ability to make me believe that any game he's calling is the greatest game I've ever seen. I love him. Harvard and Yale. Hope you did what you do best. Take notes, because that was the game. Harvard and Yale is what I tried to say. Dan, I was doing the audiobook yesterday. I'm a little bit tired.

[Mike Ryan]

You're back to doing the audiobook?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

Is that them enforcing a contract? How dare they.

[Mike Ryan]

What are we doing on Thursday? Do we have the information on the church? Do you want to start giving people where they can buy tickets? We want to fill that church with people for the back in my day book signing and the Stugatz book book signing. I can't believe you're still at the audiobook. I thought you weren't doing that anymore.

[Stugotz]

Well, I finished it up yesterday, so.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, good for you.

[Stugotz]

Somehow Ryan Day looks like an avatar of Ryan Day. Please let Ryan win the national championship and get fired the next day. I need that to happen. We all need that to happen. It could happen. It might happen. I mean, he really lost his national championship. Winning one would not replace that.

[Mike Ryan]

The number of people yesterday that I heard saying that if he doesn't win the national championship, he's fired.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, it's just an insane. It's an insane place. You people have put the standard like you've just gotten to a place.

[Stugotz]

He did it to himself.

[Mike Ryan]

No one's going to be reasonable about where the standard is anymore.

[Dan Le Batard]

When have Ohio State fans ever been reasonable, though?

[Mike Ryan]

I know, but this is lunacy. What is his winning percentage like? The. Like, what are we doing? I. I understand that the man lost at home in a season where. Like, is he the winningest coach in the sport right now? Through the time that he's been coaching? Does he have a better winning percentage than anyone in the entire sport.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan Lanning might be a little higher. He's only been in Oregon for like two years. But it's. It's a. Ohio State is a different job than everywhere else in the country. It's different standards at Ohio State, but.

[Mike Ryan]

It'S different standards set by somebody who's a mercenary who's recreated his entire career. Even though he was a fool, Urban Meyer turned something in by doing what he did in Florida. And there turned that mutation into what it is. And it's going to swallow Ryan Day just because Urban Meyer was able to cheat better than everybody else and be immoral better than everyone else.

[Dan Le Batard]

And now he's sitting at the airport next to me. How the mighty have fallen.

[Stugotz]

Yep. Sad, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

A little bit.

[Billy Gil]

Someone posted a picture of. It felt like an invasion of privacy of Urban Meyer sitting by himself at a supermarket bar.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, it was so funny. What?

[Billy Gil]

Let me tell you something that seems like one of the best types of beer you can have. Sit, like, while I leisurely stroll through the supermarket. I have a bar here. I can check out some of the new beers. Oh, they have Miller Lite there and it's on tap. Let me get some of that. Take a load off. That seems incredible.

[Mike Ryan]

Can we get that picture, please? I don't know what you're talking about.

[Billy Gil]

And I kind of feels dirty.

[Mike Ryan]

I did not know someone took a photo with him.

[Dan Le Batard]

So he clearly, like, consented to taking a photo sitting at the supermarket bar.

[Mike Ryan]

I did not know there was such a thing as a supermarket bar. Put it on the poll, please. Juju at Lebatard show. Did you know there was such a thing as a supermarket bar?

[Stugotz]

Ryan Day is the Michael Jordan of James Franklin's.

[Mike Ryan]

That's good.

[Stugotz]

Stash this away in these. Something the Ponder file. Did the canes pluck the wrong quarterback out of the portal? No need to discuss now. Just stash it away for a rainy day. That's why I call them Honda McCord. Nothing flashy Dan. Nothing fancy. Old reliable. Know what I'm talking about. Get you to point A, to point B.

[Mike Ryan]

An antique if it were in 1989.

[Stugotz]

And it doesn't get you to the playoffs.

[Billy Gil]

I tell you, we have the photo now. People are using this as some sort of indictment because of what's maybe popped up in his past. But this scene, this is fine. This is relaxing. This seems like a wonderful Saturday afternoon.

[Chris Cody]

Sure does.

[Billy Gil]

I hope it's afternoon.

[Stugotz]

Is that a Starbucks?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, it looks like it's a Starbucks employee Sitting next to Urban Meyer, but it's definitely a supermarket. And the question that I then have, though, were you doing groceries and then stopped at the bar? Were you with someone who was doing groceries and stopped at the bar? Or were you driving past the grocery store and said, that's a good bar. You don't need groceries. I just want a beer?

[Billy Gil]

It's reckless.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm asking. I'm asking. I don't know which. Which of those are you guessing?

[Billy Gil]

Let's put in an interview request. Let's ask him.

[Jessica]

Are bars common at grocery stores?

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't think.

[Billy Gil]

Dude, like the. The most recent string of publixes that they're building.

[Stugotz]

They have bars.

[Lucy Rodin]

Bars.

[Stugotz]

What?

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Jessica]

Really?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. The shopping carts have cup holders. Now. I'm. I'm being serious.

[Stugotz]

Really?

[Mike Ryan]

That sounds like a good idea. To be able to. To be able to do my shopping and have a drink while I'm doing my shopping.

[Jessica]

Could you imagine a blue martini at a Target? Holy printing money.

[Stugotz]

Game changer.

[Billy Gil]

All my friends are going to be.

[Mike Ryan]

I was just going to say, Kendall is going to have so much fun.

[Billy Gil]

We just lost our blue martini and Kendall.

[Stugotz]

I'm sorry.

[Mike Ryan]

Just imagining a Kendall.

[Billy Gil]

Where else can we find the divorcees?

[Stugotz]

Up by my place. Here come the Capitals. They're good, Mike.

[Billy Gil]

They are. And Ovi's already on the ice.

[Stugotz]

Yep. For those keeping track at home, Mike Norvell now has to spell his last name with 10 Ls. What a bad season, man. Heady play by Indiana to beat Purdue 66 to nothing. Hoping people forget about their Ohio State game. It's a good job by them. In honor of my book signing this week with Greg, Cody Stugott's book.com, by the way, top five athletes. Not really just athletes. And what their name would be if they were authors. Marcus Allen, Poe, Marshall Faulkner, Bobby Orwell, Stanzik Van Gundy, George Dickens, Dan Henningway, George Dickens, A.J. hawkin. Watch out for the Grizzlies. Also very good. Mike McDaniel. Do it against a team with a winning record. If you're a team that has to play in Green Bay or Buffalo when it snows, skip the game, take the L and move on. Not worth it. Someone gets injured.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose big.

[Mike Ryan]

So many 49ers are fizzy. Physically broken, like, right. Can someone explain to me how Warner is able to play 10 weeks on a fractured ankle? I don't. How is that a fact? How is that? So he's one of the healthy 49ers.

[Stugotz]

Yep. Jets. Don't you dare bench Aaron Rodgers. He gives us the best chance to lose. Duke and Kansas played last week in college basketball and not a peep. I remember the time when that game would have let us show. We would have started with number one versus number two. Kansas, Duke. I could name every player. Not now, but back then, Milton, Newton.

[Mike Ryan]

That's crazy what he's saying though, right? That in our lifetime that's something that happened where that game. Now, obviously regionally, it still matters a great deal, but nationally, that's an entirely different sport than it used to be. It is in terms of how weak consume it and what the allegiances are to it. And we've always been bad at consuming that sport. But that game would lead all of sports at one time and not that long ago in our lives.

[Stugotz]

Everything looks better when you win. Except for Marcus Freeman.

[Mike Ryan]

He looks as. As good as you could look. Yeah, I don't understand how they lost to Northern Illinois at home.

[Billy Gil]

I just don't understand September.

[Jessica]

It's just his move. He does that once a year.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, not that though, like, and it's fine.

[Jessica]

It doesn't even matter now. He can lose once a year and it's okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hot people are allowed to make mistakes.

[Stugotz]

They are.

[Mike Ryan]

You do realize, though, if Notre Dame wins the championship, we're going to have to retroactively anoint that the biggest upset in the history of sports, bigger than the 80s Olympic hockey team. Like, we're going to have to go back to that game and be like, well, they beat the national champions in Notre Dame.

[Jessica]

Do you think, Lucy, because he's hot, he just does things like that so us normies feel like he's one of us.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, hot people get treated differently. Like, if he were ugly, I think Notre Dame would be ranked a little bit lower.

[Jessica]

But he's just like, look, I'm fallible. I can make mistakes, just like you schlubs.

[Dan Le Batard]

He just has, like, looked deeply in my eyes and then tried to tell me I've messed up. And you can't because he's so pretty.

[Stugotz]

I'm not certain anything will force you to grow up faster than Mike Tomlin telling you to grow up. I'm growing up. I mean, if he tells me to. When Jim Harbaugh is playing a game in the teens, he's got you right where he wants you. 17, 13. Otherwise known as Jim Harbaugh. Leonard Williams revenge game. Hey, Rob Manfred. Wonder where you got the. That golden at. Bad idea. You know what the R and Rob Manford stands for. Dan, I can't believe it better be royalties.

[Mike Ryan]

I can't believe we have not yet talked about this today. Stole my ideas.

[Chris Cody]

Outrage.

[Mike Ryan]

Baseball absolutely has stolen a Stugott's idea that we laughed out of the room when he made it. Stole. Stugott is ahead. He's having the biggest week in the history of sports journalism.

[Stugotz]

Am I really?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, your ideas are pioneering. They are groundbreaking. And leagues that are noticeably and have been resistant to change throughout time are willing to take a golden bat at bad idea from you that is stolen from you and Billy.

[Stugotz]

It was the magic at bat. That's not a fine for you. We've eliminated the fine bucket. But it was the magic at bat. And see what he did? He twisted the words around. I mean, he just changed the words up. You know, we hold it at bat is not as good as magic at bats.

[Mike Ryan]

You are ahead of your time, sir.

[Stugotz]

I know. Thank you. The jets didn't score the last 40 minutes of that game. I hate them when you think it can't get worse. The season from hell continues, Dan. Speaking of hell, our brials. Dan. Those are the weekend observations. That was a quick dismount because I'm just so tired of the Jets. I'm tired of talking about them. I'm thinking about bailing on the jets for the first time in my life. What? I'm thinking about a new team.

[Jessica]

Yo, Fireman Ed.

[Stugotz]

I am. Well, that's the problem, Billy. The biggest story every year is some rift that Fireman Ed has.

[Jessica]

Well, no, but he quit the jets and then he came crawling right back a year later. So you pull that move.

[Stugotz]

I'm thinking about quitting.

[Jessica]

Where are you going to go?

[Stugotz]

Buffalo, maybe.

[Jessica]

Oh, boy.

[Stugotz]

Seems like a good time.

[Mike Ryan]

I will say that somehow, quietly, like this was something that I don't believe has gotten nearly enough attention nationally. Mike Ryan renounced what was a lifelong allegiance to the Cleveland Browns over a decision they made that turns out to be one of the most calamitous however it is you define terrible decisions in the history of sports. Mike Ryan checked out and was accused of being a virtue signal signaler. And we all questioned whether or not it would be real. Mike Ryan has ceased caring about the Browns in a real way over the decision they made. And I have not seen that happen in fandom a great deal. It's not an act. He's not faking it. He cared about that team as much as he's cared about any of these heat teams. And University of Miami teams.

[Stugotz]

That was his team. Mike and I used to talk about the Cleveland Browns all the time.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, his team embedded from this place. Like, I remember some of the fandoms that I had in childhood, like what the toys were. He remembers through his grandmother going to a store, a dollar store, and Cleveland Brown's plate. And it starts there. The love of sports starts there. That was his allegiance to the team. They make a decision, and he is. He finds it so repugnant that he just bails. And we all thought listening to it, this must be an act. It must be performative. It. He gave up a lifelong love. The Cleveland Browns have played two very fun days, two fun games. The last couple of weeks. You've felt, how about all of this? Like, this spark has never returned. It's died, smothered, and there hasn't been anything to resuscitate it.

[Billy Gil]

When they played the Steelers and Nick Chubb scored a touchdown, I was very happy for Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb's one of my favorite sports.

[Stugotz]

So some of the players you root for ever.

[Billy Gil]

So I root for Nick Chubb. But no, I. The last two games that they've played, I've had fun watching it, but I don't feel any emotional attack.

[Mike Ryan]

So, Jerry. Judy, you're watching him run around out there. None of it. Jamis running around out there, none of it's interesting to you?

[Billy Gil]

No, it's super interesting to me, and it's super fun to watch that game last night was super fun, man. The throw that Bo Nicks had to Mims.

[Stugotz]

He's good.

[Billy Gil]

I didn't. I. Man, I was not familiar with your game. I did not think you had that in you. That was an amazing game. It was super fun. But in terms of, like, getting emotionally invested, if I were a Browns fan, you know this because I would wear those losses like I wore the Syracuse loss yesterday. I'd be devastated. I don't have that with me right now, Mike.

[Chris Cody]

I am curious, though. When the whole desean Watson thing is in the past and he's no longer with Cleveland, does your emotion change?

[Billy Gil]

I don't know. Like, I don't. He's been out plenty, right? But I guess he's still looming over the franchise. But I don't. I don't know if I'll ever feel about a pro sports team that way again. If anything, it showed me that maybe I had my identity tied up way too much.

[Mike Ryan]

I haven't seen that happen a whole lot with people who deeply care about their teams ever. I don't see a whole lot of folks broken. Like Stugontz isn't actually going to quit the Jets.

[Stugotz]

That's just words that gets broken in a different way. I'm just tired of the losing.

[Mike Ryan]

But. But for 40 years you've been in the space of doing this with the jets, and I don't actually believe you'll stop caring. As soon as they're 13 and 4, you'll rush right back to their side.

[Stugotz]

If they win this weekend, I'll start looking at playoff scenarios.

[Jessica]

Did Jerry Judy have the best revenge game ever?

[Billy Gil]

I mean, he didn't win in a loss. I reserved the right.

[Stugotz]

He still got his revenge, though. Billy, I'm with you.

[Jessica]

Oh, he had an octopus and everything. He was kind of doing the thing to the crowd. What? I can't hear you.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, Jerry Judy, come on.

[Jessica]

Oh, more like Judge Judy. Am I right, Craig? Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

He failed himself out of Denver. He failed himself out of Denver. He returns, catches a couple of passes and a loss.

[Billy Gil]

This is a new and unimproved Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

Levatar show with the Stuttgarts, gambled on by DraftKings.

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