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Stugotz
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stu Guts podcast.
Dan Le Batard
Now that I think about it, I think I have to concede that it stinks as a superhero catchphrase. I happen to have a few questions for you. But it works for a TV detective, Pablo Torre, wandering the earth. I happen to have a few questions for you is something I think now in sports journalism people don't want to hear if Pablo Torre is sniffing around trying to find out if you're a superhero.
Amin Elhassan
You have the answers. You always have the answer. You don't have questions, you just have the answer.
Tony
Well, I think the implication here is that he has the answers. He's just asking him the questions. You're not asking questions to things he doesn't know. He's asking questions to things he does.
Billy
The best kind of questions. By the way, you're also missing the word at the end. Specifically, specifically, specifically.
Tony
What do you think he wants to ask Bill about?
Dan Le Batard
We will find out together. I happen to have a few questions for you though. Does sound like the world's lamest threat, does it not? I happen to have a few questions.
Amin Elhassan
Get to the villain.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, and Tony is right that there an undercurrent on it of I have the answers already. But my happening to have a few questions for you is only because I know the answers. When Tony says those are the best kind of questions, I'D argue the best kind of questions are the ones you don't have the answers to. So you could therefore learn. Tony is saying, everyone wants to be New York Knicks fans. I already have the answers. I don't need any of your answers. I've. I've got my alternative facts.
Billy
Dan, in a court of law, you never ask questions you don't know the answer to. You only ask the question you know the answer to. Absolutely.
Tony
Yeah. Like when you watch Law and Order, and Sam Waterson's character, the D.A. he asks a question, and then the person gives the answer, he always looks surprised, like, wait, but surely when you went into the house, you knew no one was gonna be there. Actually, I knew someone. Oh, well, in that case, like, that's how you do it. And by the way, you gotta understand the context of this. Right. Bill calls Pablo a fake journalist. Right. He basically questioned his bona fides as a journalist. So what Pablo's saying is, like, you think my bullets don't hurt you? Okay. His bullets are questions, by the way. I don't know if you know that. He's like, you think they don't know? What if I point the gun at you, Mr. Simmons? That's what he did right there.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll.
Amin Elhassan
Questions come out of that gun at Lebanon.
Dan Le Batard
Who's more of a journalist, Bill Simmons or Pablo Torre?
Stugotz
But Pablo's degree's in sociology, so he's not a journalist.
Tony
Well, I don't think journalism goes by what you went to school for.
Stugotz
Wouldn't you need a degree to be a journalist?
Amin Elhassan
Not anymore, Stu. Got to prove that I'm not a journalist.
Dan Le Batard
Oh, I think working for Sports Illustrated is something that would classify you as a journalist if you're writing for Sports Illustrated.
Tony
I want to make it clear. I'm team Pablo. But when I discovered, like, a couple of weeks ago that, like, he's only written five pieces or whatever in his life, that I've always thought Pablo was this prolific writer, and it turns out he wrote five pieces his entire. I've written more than that in a. In a month.
Dan Le Batard
They're not, though. They're not small pieces. They're five takeouts. They're big articles that are about, like, the process in Philadelphia. They're. They're magazine pieces that unspool 5,000 and 10,000 words.
Tony
I've written 10,000 words. What do you think? That's. That's impressive. Or. So you wrote 10,000 words. Wait, why am I switching sides now?
Stugotz
Oh, I would say that's like a English Assignment for sophomores. But that's.
Tony
My kid is in high school and doing that.
Dan Le Batard
So you guys think that Bill Simmons is more of a journalist than Pablo?
Billy
He's written more than Pablo. He's written. He's written books before.
Tony
Try writing a column every week.
Amin Elhassan
I mean, I wrote a book, so.
Dan Le Batard
Well, I wrote your book.
Amin Elhassan
I think it had 10,000 words.
Dan Le Batard
We. We wrote your book. We. You didn't write. You haven't even read your book. You knew you didn't write your book.
Amin Elhassan
Getting to it.
Dan Le Batard
We have a number of things that I want to get to. But I did want to ask you a question stug. Because the other day I heard a sound and I was confused by it because the sound made me think of something that I had not thought of in a long time. And somebody nearby said. Because I just heard music, and I thought it was coming from a place that was playing music. And somebody said, that's an ice cream truck. And I'm like, there can't still be ice cream trucks. Are there still? With the amount of convenience that we have everywhere, I would assume the ice ice cream truck business is hurting, even though driving through your neighborhood still makes it more convenient on something that can melt than doordash or anything else you were ordering. But would you not assume that the ice cream truck business is a harder way to make a living now than it's ever been?
Amin Elhassan
No, I would think it's thriving. In fact, I think ice cream trucks had their best year ever last year. I'll check it out@icecreamtrucks.com but I'm pretty certain, Dan, they had their best sales year of all time last year. I think they're picking up steam.
Tony
I mean, Dan, we watched a report back here from Inside Edition about the state of the ice cream truck in America. And business is not good. Inflation, Inflation's hitting them hard. The rising prices of fuel, the rising prices of ice cream, the rising prices of sugar, all of these staples that are required. And then you factor in that, you know, kids don't go outside anymore, right? They're. They're on their devices. They're playing video games. They don't come outside. We used to play outside.
Dan Le Batard
The.
Tony
That was the whole point of the ice cream truck. You're playing outside, and then you hear that sound. Ice cream. Ice cream. Ice cream man is coming.
Dan Le Batard
I think that's over. I don't think that's happening in neighborhoods anymore.
Stugotz
Well, there's also a territory war amongst ice cream trucks.
Amin Elhassan
There is? Yeah.
Stugotz
They take it very Seriously, you can't just drive around with an ice cream truck willy nilly. You have to kind of get in and talk to the right people and let the heads of the ice cream underworld know that you're now in the ice cream business. And should they accept you, then okay. But should they not? Don't let them catch on those streets.
Tony
Very territorial. Yeah, very territorial.
Amin Elhassan
Yep. Dan, in 2023, the global ice cream truck market was valued at $2.27 billion. It goes up about 3% every year. It should be valued at over 300 million by the year 2030. Ice cream truck's doing just fine, man.
Dan Le Batard
All right, well, you just gave us a bunch of different numbers and then made it 300 million, which was a lot less. You weren't listening to any of the numbers.
Amin Elhassan
You were saying by 230, by the year 2030 will be valued at $300 million.
Dan Le Batard
You said it was more than it.
Stugotz
Was two something billion a couple years ago.
Amin Elhassan
No, I said it was 2.27 billion two years ago. It grows at a rate of 3.17%.
Stugotz
And then it'll grow to 300 million by 2030.
Amin Elhassan
Know your ICE cream still doesn't understand.
Dan Le Batard
What he's doing with the math.
Tony
He's grow. It's growing in a negative rate.
Jeremy
What was your guys go to? I went screwball.
Stugotz
The little two ball screwball or just one screwball?
Jeremy
The one, the little like rock hard bubble gum at the bottom of it.
Dan Le Batard
Strawberry shortcake. Oh yeah.
Billy
Choco Taco is good.
Jeremy
Toasted almond, Classic ice cream sandwich.
Stugotz
Flintstone push pop.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at Le Batard show which is the best of the ice cream truck flavors. Let's list this. Strawberry shortcake, the push up.
Amin Elhassan
The Choco Taco, the toasted almond, the chocolate egg.
Jeremy
Claire, if you go snow cone, you're a monster.
Dan Le Batard
That would be terrible to choose the snow cone. Can I please get some kind of remedial understanding of the math Stugach just did where it's going? Well, something increased by 2030 from the number 2 billion to 300 million. How is that an increase?
Tony
The last ice cream music song that Chris was playing was the Camptown Ladies.
Dan Le Batard
This sounds like a video game more than a. Like this. I would not buy anything from this ice cream truck. This is, this is the cheap ice cream truck guy who's down on his luck.
Jeremy
Oh, you got that classy ice cream truck music. I mean, geez, you're definitely not the.
Tony
One that's playing the camp down ladies sing that song. Doo dah. Dude, I'm not getting ice cream in that one.
Amin Elhassan
If you're not playing this song, I'm not getting ice cream. I mean, this is the song, the standard song. Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
You mentioned video games and kids being inside. Tony. I don't know that anyone around here has made a worse appraisal about what their life is going to be than you before having a baby, announcing to everyone here that you couldn't wait to get so much time to now play video games.
Billy
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
Now that you have a baby that will be in the house, you thought you were going to really play a lot of video games. And then I heard people making fun of you here, saying Tony hasn't been logged on anywhere in a month, that no one is generous, that Tony has disappeared from the virtual reality world that is video games because fatherhood has swept him up into adulthood and he's no longer allowed to be a selfish child.
Billy
So I would play a lot of video games. Right. My wife was working. She's now home 24 7. And when your wife's home 24 7, you don't really have enough time to go out and play video games because she's always watching what you're doing to make sure that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and helping the baby, doing the dishes, all that stuff. So I would play video games. And then I told the boys here, don't worry. When the baby's little, she's going to be sleeping. And guess what dad gets to do while the baby's sleeping? Play a little video games.
Jeremy
And we laughed at you.
Billy
What I didn't realize is that I have to watch said baby while she sleeps as a nervous father for the first month and make sure that everything is good. Even though we have the little outlets telling her temperature, it's telling this and that I need to have eyes on just to make sure that everything's good. So play time decreased. I played once on a Saturday morning when she slept in a little bit. But, yeah, I haven't logged in in about two months. But there's still people asking, hey, are you playing? Are you? Your LSU Tigers are doing well. Like, what's the deal? And I didn't respond. It's been a tough. It's been a tough five months, Dan. I don't know if you could tell.
Dan Le Batard
I just don't. What? Did you think fatherhood was going to be easy?
Chris Cody
Like, what?
Dan Le Batard
What?
Jeremy
I rarely hear the dad right before. He's like, I'm gonna have a lot of free Time coming up again.
Billy
It was. I thought I was gonna be able to manage said free time around baby sleeping. That did not happen. But as a man of, you know, understanding, hey, I can understand when I'm wrong. And when I should have listened to Billy and others that had kids and said, you're not gonna have that kind of time, I should have listened. I didn't. But you know what? It's a learning process, Dan. That's all it is.
Dan Le Batard
Congratulations on learning that your time is no longer your own.
Billy
By the way, I. Funny enough, it wasn't my own because I was. You know, she wakes up around 4:45, 5:00 in the morning. She gets fed. She had a mistake on the bed today. So at 4:45, the baby. So, yeah, came out of the diaper. So guess who had to clean everything? Dad had to take all the sheets off the covers. I had to spray the sheets.
Stugotz
Who put on the diaper? Who put on the diaper, you or.
Billy
Your wife before she went to bed? I think it was her. So I'm not.
Stugotz
Yeah, put that in the back pocket.
Dan Le Batard
That's good.
Tony
I'm always, always seeing. Do the diaper over, like, cleaning up messes.
Billy
Like, clean mess. Clean up the baby breastfeeding. So I was like, oh, you breastfeed? I'll clean up the mess. So I had to get on my hands and knees, Dan, and scrape the stuff off the sheets with this little spray and make sure that the mess.
Tony
On the bed wouldn't.
Billy
The mess was on the bed. On the sheets.
Stugotz
You didn't have, like a protector?
Tony
Well, the sheet.
Billy
On the sheet.
Stugotz
You take the sheet off and you put the sheet to wash. Yeah, I.
Billy
Know, but I had to spray it with like.
Stugotz
You're sitting on a kaka sheet.
Dan Le Batard
No, the first 18 months, they're not children. They're screaming shit monsters.
Billy
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, pretty much.
Jeremy
You know, you're not alone, though, Tony. I saw. I heard Shohei recently had a newborn, and the other day he was caught falling asleep during a game. Can you relate to this, Tony?
Dan Le Batard
Oh, wow.
Jeremy
He's like asleep and then you can see he does the thing of like, whoa, gotta wake up.
Amin Elhassan
Is that fatherhood or baseball?
Jeremy
It was a blowout there. They were losing. They were beating the Yankees 10 to 1 and clearly looking like he's sleeping. And then.
Amin Elhassan
Huh?
Billy
Oh, you got to get it where you can, right? Those little two seconds of like, I'm.
Amin Elhassan
In everything, but it feels like 30 minutes.
Billy
It's called the cat nap.
Jeremy
What's he doing with his Nose on the other dugout. He's like touching.
Dan Le Batard
He knows.
Jeremy
He thinks right there. No one's watching him.
Tony
I swear to God, that's my dad on the couch. And then like, dad, like just go to bed. Like, no, I'm watching this. I'm watching this. He does the same move, the hard blink and look around and like. And then swearing he's still awake.
Jeremy
I do.
Dan Le Batard
I.
Jeremy
God, maybe I'm getting old. Last night my wife is just like, you're snoring. And I'm like, I'm not even as. Like I don't know that I'm asleep and I'm on the couch like.
Dan Le Batard
Cuz once you hit the records, to me every night, once you hit the.
Jeremy
Record nine, around 10pm Yeah, I don't realize it. And she's like. I'm like, what did it sound like? I'm like, what did it sound like? She's like, I'm like, no, I was.
Dan Le Batard
Not just making that.
Amin Elhassan
I would have heard it.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, that is also me. I will tell you that. What I do, more I think than any other action in the world is deny that I was sleeping while emerging from snore.
Billy
It's great when I'm on the couch and we're watching something and then it's. It's. You know, it's bad when you're like.
Chris Cody
And the snore wakes you up.
Billy
You're like, what was that?
Dan Le Batard
I am so tired that I am waking myself up with my own snore. Startling myself and then swearing.
Amin Elhassan
You're not snoring.
Dan Le Batard
Then immediately lapsing in to lying.
Billy
Who's that?
Tony
I wish my dad like woke up from snoring. That dude just snores. Like there's like. It's so loud. How is he not awake? Forget about the sound, the feeling in the back of his own. It's like a chainsaw.
Dan Le Batard
I wanted to ask the group here if you had the same reaction that I did, which I thought was funny to have this reaction where I see the report Giannis having a mutual interest with the Toronto Raptors. And I'm like, that's not real. That's not. The Raptors are not a possibility for any free agent under any circumstances who has every option. The choice is not going to be to be to leave America. However, at the moment, the choice might be Canada, given what's happening in America. Because I heard an awful lot of threats that people were going to move to Canada if there was a new presidency. I have not seen yet. A lot of moving to Canada, though I have seen a lot of moving to Britain, I still don't. I can't get my head around the Toronto Raptors are going to get the coveted free agent. I don't believe that story.
Amin Elhassan
Well, you believe this part of it, that Toronto has interest. It's Giannis's interest. That is correct.
Dan Le Batard
I do not deny or am in no way skeptical that Toronto thinks there's a chance.
Jeremy
Why are you treating Toronto like it's Edmonton? Toronto is like the biggest city in Canada.
Amin Elhassan
Why would he go there, though?
Dan Le Batard
The reason I'm doing that is because no free agent who has a lot of options ever chooses Toronto.
Tony
First of all, he's not a free agent to be Mr. Will. Actually, it would be a trade, number one. Number two, and we talk about this on today's episode of Oddball, there is a connection between Giannis and Masai Ujiri, the president of the Raptors. There's actually a video from the 2013 draft of Masaya Ujiri in the war room trying to trade up to get to a pick where he can get Giannis. And finally, I think he gets up to, like, maybe 18 or whatever, but Giannis goes at 15 to the Bucs. So there's that connection. He knows he's known him and wanted him for a long time. Obviously, Masaya Jiri is of Nigerian descent. Giannis is of Nigerian descent. There's that connection there. But then there's the other thing, which is he assisted in Giannis getting his visa to come to the United States originally. So there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of background, like, we know each other thing. And if you're Giannis, your big thing is, I want to go somewhere where I know they know what they're doing. Well, Messiah Ujiri is a guy who's got a great reputation in the league as a front officer.
Amin Elhassan
They were 30 and 52 last year.
Tony
Exactly. Because they need Giannis.
Dan Le Batard
I want to, for a second, though, explore the correction that Amin made. That is the correct correction when he says Giannis isn't a free agent. He is someone who would be requesting a trade. The reason I make them the same thing is just because I think of free agency as options and I think of Giannis as just options. He can choose anything he wants. Why would Toronto be the choice? He's not going to be traded someplace he doesn't want. And people with options go ahead and give them to me. Kawhi got traded there on a rental. Give me all of the free agents or coveted option, people who have ended up choosing Toronto.
Tony
I think that that's the. That you're making my argument, which is it's mutual interest. Giannis would want that as an option. It's not. Guess what, Giannis, you don't want to be here. Take your ass to Canada. That's not what's happening here. It's Giannis being like, you know what? I have a connection with the guy that runs the team. I think I kind of want to go there.
Dan Le Batard
Would you be kind enough to answer my question, though? The greatest free agent the Toronto Raptors or comparable person with options that the Raptors have ever gotten when they get into the bidding against American teams is Kai Leonard. No, no, but trade. That was a one year rental. It was.
Tony
I mean, it's. I. Oh, so this is a two year rental? I don't know what. I don't know what you're doing. I'm sorry. Like, it's like he's under contract. He's not under contract for five years. He's got options. He can go wherever he wants. He wants to get traded. And this is a place that is a trade destination. You're right. And free agents don't go to Canada, historically. But players have been traded there and that happens.
Jeremy
The biggest free agent contract they've ever given out, 2009. Hito Turkoglu, 5 year, 53 million.
Amin Elhassan
Hido. I mean, he was coming.
Jeremy
He was a signing trade, but he signed.
Tony
He was coming. He was coming off an NBA Finals appearance. Remember, he hit the game winner against the Cavs.
Dan Le Batard
Ron McGill is going to join us right now. I will tell you one of the most shocking takes that we've ever had around here. That flew under the radar. As soon as the Orlando Magic got hito. Turkoglu Stugats proclaimed that the best starting lineup in the history of basketball.
Amin Elhassan
It was some starting five, man. I mean, go look it up.
Tony
He wasn't lying.
Billy
Jimmy Nelson at the one.
Amin Elhassan
I know.
Jeremy
Was it Rashard Lewis on that team? Oh, that was a good team.
Tony
Dwight Howard. Hido Hedo was like a point forward.
Billy
It was excellent.
Jeremy
Who was the fifth?
Tony
Courtney Lee.
Amin Elhassan
No, there was someone else.
Tony
It wasn't Courtney Lee as a 2 guard?
Amin Elhassan
No, because I would never say that's the best.
Jeremy
I feel like it was Courtney Lee.
Dan Le Batard
I think you guys need to listen to what was just said. Those four strong, not the best starting lineup in the history of the sport at the time.
Amin Elhassan
It had a chance.
Dan Le Batard
It did not have a chance. It's not. It echoes internally because it's such a bad take.
Tony
It was J.J. redick.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
You want to list that again as the best starting five ever? Go ahead and list the Jameer.
Tony
Jameer at the one. Jameer. Great leader, by the way. Yeah, great leader.
Amin Elhassan
Yep.
Tony
JJ at the two. One of the best shooters in the game. Right. Three Is he tough?
Dan Le Batard
Blew point forward.
Tony
Controlling the game. Four was Rashad Lewis. Stretch fours before that was a thing. Dwight Howard, dominant center at the 5.
Amin Elhassan
Thank you. Apologies.
Tony
It's a good ass team guys. You're right.
Dan Le Batard
It's not the best starting lineup ever.
Tony
Tomato, tomato.
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Stugotz
Dan Lebartard the elephant went into a.
Dan Le Batard
711 and bought a pack of cigarettes.
Stugotz
But my question to Ron is this.
Dan Le Batard
Stu Guts. That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to. We all just stared at all.
Stugotz
This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug.
Dan Le Batard
Chris Cody has nominated the tomato Tomato as the most versatile of all the foods.
Jeremy
Yeah, tomato beat. Try to beat me. It can be a drink. It could be a soup. It could be on a sandwich. It can be a condiment. If you make ketchup with it. I mean, the tomatoes. Doing a lot.
Dan Le Batard
Ron McGill joins us now. Ron, do you have a more versatile food? And we haven't seen you in a while. You. You've been traveling. Yes. Do you have a more versatile food than the tomato, sir?
Chris Cody
No, I'm with Chris on that tomato. I'm a ketchup guy. You know, I have ketchup with everything. I have tomatoes and everything. I think tomatoes is a pretty versatile food, followed probably by the grape.
Stugotz
Potatoes are pretty versatile.
Chris Cody
Yeah, Potatoes, pretty versatile. It's true.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. More versatile food. The tomato or the potato?
Jeremy
I Can't make a morning cocktail out of a potato.
Dan Le Batard
It's a little hard. Yes. To make an excellent drink out of the potato.
Jeremy
Or actually, there's a potato soup.
Billy
Potatoes made of vodka.
Dan Le Batard
Oh, that's true.
Jeremy
Damn, check me.
Dan Le Batard
Vodka's made of potatoes.
Stugotz
Yeah, I was gonna say potato.
Billy
That kind of thing, but we got it.
Amin Elhassan
Tony.
Billy
I was up at 4:45. 4:45 cleaning.
Mike Ryan
Dan, what do you want to do?
Dan Le Batard
The potato is made of vodka. Put that on the pole. Juju at Lebaton show. Is the potato made out of vodka. Ron, where have you been traveling? One of the places was the Galapagos. Right?
Stugotz
That's true.
Chris Cody
Now, I just got back from the Galapagos and in two weeks I leave for Australia for a few weeks. So that's going to be a pretty good trip. It's doing a documentary out there with channel 10. So that'll be a lot of fun.
Dan Le Batard
I want to play for you here. Some owls showing affection to each other. I'd like for you to give us some play by play here and tell us which of the animals is most affectionate. Oh, they seem to be kissing here.
Jeremy
It's like an aggressive makeout session, I'd say.
Chris Cody
Well, they're more grooming each other. They are definitely bonding, but it's not like you would think a makeout session. That's not really what it is, but it is bonding and grooming. And you know, owls are monogamous birds. They kind of mate with one mate for the breeding season. So they're pretty admirable birds. But they're not the most intelligent of the birds. I think we've discussed that before. They're probably one of the least intelligent of the birds because of the massive size of their eyes. It takes up so much space in their skull, is not a whole lot of room left for the brain.
Jeremy
Al's got it figured out, huh? Every mating season, different mate.
Chris Cody
Well, not necessarily. They might come back with the same mate. There are some owls that monogamous, you know, throughout their lives, but definitely during the breeding season. They're not promiscuous, so to speak.
Dan Le Batard
Why would you say different mate if he just said monogamous?
Jeremy
I thought I heard him say like a minute earlier that every mating season.
Amin Elhassan
They tomato, tomato, rotate.
Tony
The mates get a new breeding season.
Chris Cody
They may get a new mate during a breeding season. But generally speaking, a lot of these birds of prey tend to be monogamous throughout their lives.
Jeremy
So it's a choice. It's kind of like humans.
Tony
Is there a reason for that, Ron.
Chris Cody
What they concluded is that it's beneficial for them. They get, they get to understand each other's habits, they are being proven successful breeders and that that loyalty to each other helps for more successful reproduction.
Stugotz
Brian, we were going to have you on after the Kentucky Derby and we had lots of horse questions. One of the first ones was how prevalent is incest in the horse racing community? Because you hear like, oh, this person or this horse, I guess, is, you know, along the lineage of Secretariat. And then this past year in the Kentucky Derby, I believe everyone participating was, you know, from the Secretariat lineage. Jockeys, if you have so many people who are connected to Secretariat, how prevalent, I guess, is incest in, or, you know, incestual behaviors in the horse racing community? And are there defects to horse incest?
Amin Elhassan
Wow.
Chris Cody
First of all, I think you're using the word incest really incorrectly. It's inbreeding.
Stugotz
Inbreeding.
Chris Cody
They're not, they're not having these horses actually breed each other. But the inbreeding is. They're using sperm from relatives of Secretariat. But my understanding is that it's really well down the line, way out on the tree there, way out on the branch. It's not like brother, sister, you know, mother, son, or that kind of a close relationship. It's like, you know, 14th and 15th cousins. But they're trying to get a. The highlight of that bloodline that made Secretariat so great, increased the value of that.
Stugotz
That's a scam, right? Like that's a scam. The 16th cousin, a secretariat, what they have in their blood doesn't make them any better than, you know, another horse.
Chris Cody
You know, I'm not a horse breeder, so to speak, but it tends to add credibility when they're selling the sperm for, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars, when they can give that sperm credibility because of what it's distantly related to, brings more money. At the end of the day. At the end of the day, guys, it's all about. About money.
Tony
How do they confirm that this is. Oh, yeah, he's. I'm 16's cousins with secretary, believe me.
Chris Cody
Oh, well, they, they are very, very careful about documenting bloodlines of horses all the way down the pedigrees. It's even with dogs, you know, you'll find dogs. Oh, this dog is a, you know, fourth cousin of the grand champion of this particular breed. So there's a lot to, you know, assign to that credibility and value in being associated with a champion.
Stugotz
Are there defects, though, in inbreeding in the animal community?
Chris Cody
Yes, absolutely. There are. I mean, you remember a long time ago, white tigers were a big thing in zoos. Oh, everybody wanted to see a white tiger. Well, they realized they were breeding brothers to sisters, mothers to sons, just to get white tigers, because it brought people in, it was a lot of money. And finally they realized, listen, we can't do that. We're getting tigers with crossed eyes. We're getting them with all kinds of, you know, different types of defects going on. And that's why you don't see white tigers in zoos anymore.
Dan Le Batard
Can you tell us what the most affectionate animal is?
Chris Cody
Most affectionate animal?
Dan Le Batard
Because you're saying those owls. That was not necessarily affection. That wasn't necessarily mating. That wasn't.
Chris Cody
It's bonding. It's bonding. It's solidifying the bond between the two of them. And I guess you could associate that as courtship in a way, but, you know, the affection is, I don't know.
Amin Elhassan
Has to be a dog, right?
Chris Cody
You know, listen, a dog is incredibly affectionate. Cats can be affectionate too, though. They tend to be a little bit more independent.
Dan Le Batard
But dogs, my gosh, I meant with each other, though.
Chris Cody
Yeah, I think dogs are very. Can be very expressive, emotional with each other. You know, when they greet each other as a social animal, as a pack animal, you see them, you know, licking and jumping on each other and vocalizing and tails wagging. That's all kind of a form of affection between the dogs as they. As they kind of, you know, cement their bond with each other. Again, it's all about that, creating that bond, that relationship, because animals like that realize that they're stronger in groups than they are individually.
Amin Elhassan
It seems like dolphins are affectionate towards each other.
Dan Le Batard
Right.
Chris Cody
Dolphins are one of those animals that, you know, has been proven that they, they have sex strictly for fun. I mean, they have, you know, same sex activity all the time, which of course, is not going to result in reproduction, but it demonstrates the fact that they enjoy the pleasure of each other's company in a variety of ways. So, yes, they can be very quote, unquote, affection.
Stugotz
They've been known to cross the line from time to time as well.
Dan Le Batard
They're line steppers.
Stugotz
Dolphins, Mitchell.
Chris Cody
Oh, yeah, dolphins. I mean, there, there's documentation on YouTube, for instance, of a dolphin trying to get a woman in a bikini sitting on a dock. You know, and this, this. This dolphin got very amorous with her to the point it was dangerous. You know, I, I remember there was a. There was a trainer working with a dolphin that I knew that was Able to collect the sperm from the dolphin just by going out in her bathing suit. The dolphin would come and immediately present himself. Oh, yeah. No. And ejaculate. So she could collect it and they'd use that sperm for artificial insemination. I mean, she just had to be there in her bathing suit. Listen, I know this is kind of crossing the line, but I'm just telling you facts. I'm not telling you made up stories.
Tony
I just love the idea of the dolphin going back to his buddies. Like, watch this. Every time I come out, she can't get enough.
Jeremy
This right here, boys. She's back.
Stugotz
Ron, would it be more humane instead of putting down a horse when they break their leg to give it a big wheel?
Chris Cody
No, it's not feasible. Because of the behavior of a horse and because of the anatomy, the structure of a horse sustaining the weight. You couldn't put it out without putting so much stress on other muscles. It would just. It's a domino effect that the horse would just catastrophically collapse.
Stugotz
Well, what if it had two missing legs? So it had two wheels. So it was more on like a chariot. Like you see sometimes with little doggies, how the doggies are on. Like they have wheelchairs. If you had two wheels for dogs.
Chris Cody
And horses are tremendously different animals.
Stugotz
No, the wheels would be tremendously different, too. They'd be round, but they'd be different size, different strength. Titanium.
Chris Cody
Maybe it's the weight, it's the behavior.
Stugotz
They'd be stronger wheels. I'm not. Ron, I'm not telling you. We're going to put in a dog wheelchair. That's silly. That would break the dog wheelchair. This is going to be a wheelchair built for a horse.
Jeremy
This is an intelligence issue though, right? Like the dog is smart enough to kind of realize that a horse isn't.
Chris Cody
That probably has something to do with it, but at the end of the day, it's just the size and the anatomy of a horse.
Stugotz
That's big wheels.
Tony
Ron, what about prosthetics? Like. Like what we give to veterans?
Stugotz
Yeah. Thank you for your service.
Chris Cody
They're not able to. They're not able to be trained to use the prosthetic in a way without sacrificing other parts of the limb.
Stugotz
And has it been tried?
Tony
So we can't give them like an Oscar Pistorius, like blade.
Stugotz
Oh, yeah, blade. Running horses would be sick.
Chris Cody
Ron, I'll suggest it to who?
Dan Le Batard
Who are you going to suggest it to?
Chris Cody
You were recently a horse person has a horse that breaks a leg or whatever. One veterinarian I come across, I suggest.
Dan Le Batard
I think there was some insincerity. I sense some insincerity. You're not going to suggest that to anyone. Ron was recently recognized by the Miami Dade County Commission Chambers for 45 years of continuous service at Crandon Park Zoo Miami Metro Zoo and Zoo Miami. I believe that in those 45 years you have never met anyone that you will share this suggestion with no one living, no one dead. You will not do it to a tombstone. You will never, you will never make that suggestion to anybody. You just wanted Billy to stop talking.
Chris Cody
Ah, good point.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, thank you. It is bird breeding season. Do you have any tips for us if you find a baby bird on the ground? My wife was late to our first date because she found a baby bird on the ground and she ended up taking it in to a bird rescue place.
Jeremy
Dog ate my homework situation.
Chris Cody
Yeah, listen, baby birds, if you find a baby bird that's fallen out of a nest, you see the nest, you can pick that baby bird up and put it back in the nest. That whole thing, oh, if you touch the bird, the mother's gonna reject it and everything. That's a myth. That's an absolute myth. Now you have to be able to decipher whether it's a bird that has fallen out of a nest or it's a bird that is fledged. You know, baby birds, once they get some feathering and they start exercising their wings, they'll fledge and they'll move. They do what we call branching. They go out on the branches. Sometimes they'll end up on the ground but the parents are still taking care of them. Do not take that bird away. Do not take that bird to a rehabber unless it's obviously injured because the parents are still taking care of it. Again, if it's a bird that's fallen out and it's obviously hasn't developed any feathering or anything like that, it's fallen out prematurely. You can pick that bird up and put it back in the nest. The parents will come and care for it. Please understand that also during this bird breeding season, I get calls almost every day now of people saying this bird's dive bombing me, it's attacking me. I can't get into my house. Listen, if they built a bird nest next to the entry door to your house, that's unfortunate because they think every time you go into your house you're going to be threatening their nest and they will dive bombing. Mockingbirds are notorious for this. They will come down. Well, they'll Draw blood. They'll peck you. You, and they'll draw blood from your head. So please keep in mind that this is breeding season. Birds can get aggressive as they're protecting the nesting area. It's not that they're being nasty or just mean. They're being protective of their nest. So you might not see where the nest is, but I guarantee you, if they're dive bombing you when you go into your house, the nest is very.
Jeremy
Like, I'm just gonna sit there and let that thing peck my head. I'm gonna grab that thing and then just pop it up against the wall.
Chris Cody
This is just like. This is just like your analogy of, you know, doing a giraffe with a steak knife. That bird will hit you in the head before you even know it's coming.
Jeremy
I'll that bird up.
Dan Le Batard
Wow, that's unnecessary.
Tony
But, Ron, you're telling me I give Chris Cody a tennis racket and say, all right, walk into your house and the dirt. The birds are trying to dive bomb you. Tell me he's not knocking that thing out.
Jeremy
The mean backhand.
Chris Cody
He could do that. And that would be very, very cruel.
Amin Elhassan
Because they're in his house.
Tony
They're trying to attack him.
Jeremy
My house.
Tony
He's minding his business how much they.
Jeremy
Put down in the house bird.
Chris Cody
Do you. Do you understand that the bird is simply trying to protect its nest? That maybe.
Stugotz
Chris, what am I trying to do?
Chris Cody
A couple of weeks, maybe. Maybe two or three weeks. You could give it the grace to say, I understand. Okay. Okay. And protect yourself. Put a hat on or something. Get in the house quickly instead of taking a tennis racket and bashing the bird. And then, in fact, creating orphans in a nest that are going to die a slow, miserable death because you decided to hit a bird with a tennis racket.
Jeremy
Let's remember, this thing bombed me.
Stugotz
Yeah.
Jeremy
Okay.
Tony
Started.
Jeremy
I didn't bomb the bird.
Tony
Like Pearl Harbor. We didn't start it, but we ended it.
Amin Elhassan
Wow. Weird.
Dan Le Batard
I had this happen to me the other day at the park.
Jeremy
My tennis racket.
Dan Le Batard
My dog. My dog is perpetually being attacked by this one bird, but he doesn't know what's happening because it comes and tries to bite its ass. And then he turns around and there's nothing there. And. And it happened the other day where I was nearby. It wasn't even in the park, and it started attacking both me and the dog. And my dog is running around.
Jeremy
I'm picturing the dog looking at you, trying to bite my ass.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, my dog was confused. What's what's behind me that keeps pecking at my ass. And then it would fly away and it would get too close to me. I got to get my wife to send it because you will hear me.
Amin Elhassan
Say ah, like it's a normal reaction.
Dan Le Batard
You will hear me be like, ah.
Chris Cody
That would be cold. That would go viral. That's gold.
Dan Le Batard
All right, I gotta. I gotta find this. I gotta ask Valerie to send it by the end of the segment. In the interim, can you just look at this from the sea? You often tell us that the sea is less explored than space. What the hell is this thing from the sea? Do you know what this is?
Chris Cody
I don't know what it is, but it's just, you know, one of the.
Dan Le Batard
No, it's called a feather star, but I don't know what it is. Is that. That. That's a fish. That's. What is that?
Chris Cody
No, no, it's an invertebrate. Obviously it's a feather star. So it's probably related to the starfish and it's just an invertebrate. But I mean, you know, when you think of the ocean, you look at some of the stuff that sound, you know, two, three thousand feet underneath the ocean. Man, this stuff looks like some of your worst nightmares that you see out of some Star Trek thing. I mean, it's unbelievable. The things that we don't see that exist that are really real. I mean, you don't have to do any AI or any of that stuff. Just look at the bottom of the ocean to have your mind blown.
Dan Le Batard
Let's play for Ron. This dog walker I've never seen.
Jeremy
This is wild.
Dan Le Batard
This many dogs for a dog walker. I think this is too many. I think he's overworked. I think that's.
Jeremy
Can't be safe in this car.
Dan Le Batard
That's close to 25 dogs that are going into the car.
Chris Cody
Look how organized they are and how well behaved. They. The guy's doing something right. The guy is obviously earning his money. You don't have any dogs running away or barking or jumping up and down. They're all listen. Listening to this guy, this guy.
Jeremy
They're piling for the audio audience. They're piling into an SUV that is.
Billy
Not a large suv is generous.
Chris Cody
It's just.
Stugotz
It's a Honda Element.
Chris Cody
Oh, he left behind the Queen Elizabeth dog.
Jeremy
I need to see the video of what that car looks like with all those dogs in there.
Chris Cody
I mean, I think another one, another one comes out.
Dan Le Batard
Oh, that's a strange.
Tony
Hey, where's the party at.
Chris Cody
Now, I'm impressed because all of those dogs were relaxed, they were calm. They seem to be very obedient in, you know, systematically getting in that vehicle without any type of objection. The guy's doing something right. He's earning his money and he's making a lot of it because dog walkers get paid per dog. And he's got a good check coming in on that one.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Have you ever looked at the dog walker and said that person has a good check coming in at Lebatar show? Oh, Chris Cody apparently has found. He is sending the video right now to Louis to see. All right, let's play this video as the close to the segment here. Send it to Louis now. Evidently, I'm judging from Chris's jolly slow.
Jeremy
Build, there's like 10 seconds and then chaos.
Amin Elhassan
Can you recreate for us, before we play the video, the reaction you have when the bird came after you? Because I think that's the normal reaction I will show.
Dan Le Batard
This was a video that I was sending Valerie and I just saw Chris Cody, and I recognized from his chortling, jolly Santa laughter that he had finally received the video from my wife and probably heard whatever it is. The sound was that I made when this bird had in its sights me and the dog retreating. The dog is dumb and confused. The dog doesn't understand what's attacking its ass. The bird's facing me. I am, I'm going to say, about 250 times the size of the bird. The bird is not afraid of me. I am clearly and obviously afraid of the bird. It is a small bird. It's not a large bird. We have a lot of.
Amin Elhassan
Of birds around here flapping its wings.
Dan Le Batard
I know, but I am telling you, I. The balcony on my apartment. I often. I did not know before the balcony on my apartment that the crow will be a carnivore that will eat other birds because it leaves bird parts on my balcony.
Billy
Dan, I was at the Metro rail station. Ron, I wanted to ask you about this. There was a nest up. Up there with one of those fledgling birds. And the crow went and got it out of the nest, brought it down, started pecking it. It. It basically bled out. And I was just sitting there watching it from, like, six feet away. And. Ron, I couldn't do anything. I couldn't. I couldn't mess. I couldn't mess with the crow.
Dan Le Batard
The crow is a thug.
Chris Cody
That's it. The crows are thugs, but they're also one of the smartest birds in the world. As a matter of fact, they are the smartest bird in the world.
Dan Le Batard
Really? Put it on. The poll at Lebatard show is the crow. Did you know that?
Amin Elhassan
The shocker.
Chris Cody
Did you know the crows and ravens, that whole family. The crows and ravens are the smartest birds in the world.
Dan Le Batard
Did you know the crow slash Raven was the smartest bird.
Billy
Only took a couple bites too. Left him there to die.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, let's unveil this video here. I'm embarrassed. This was just something I was sending my wife from the park. I don't know exactly how embarrassing this is. I remember it is embarrassing. Valerie. This bird is pissed off at me. Keeps swooping in protecting park.
Mike Ryan
Earl.
Dan Le Batard
You gotta be careful, Earl.
Tony
Watch ass girl.
Mike Ryan
Howdy, folks, it's Mike Ryan. Now, if you've been listening to the show a lot lately, you've heard so much playoff talk. Playoff hoops. Down here in South Florida, we're especially enamored with playoff hockey. It's not just limited to the playoffs. Motorsports, tennis, golf. It's truly one of the best times in the sporting calendar. And with the weather outside warming up, it's just perfect to hop in a pool, maybe grill up some food, but most certainly crack open some Miller Lights. I just described a pretty perfect day, didn't I? And it culminates with Miller Time. There is something about a perfect grilling day. The sun's out, friends show up, and that first sip of Miller Light just hits different. I've been stocking up the cooler with it for years. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That is five decades of cookouts, laughs and ice cold moments that never miss. And if you've listened to the show for its 20 year existence, you know this to be true. Miller Lite great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Alright, y' all, the super bowl is in the rearview mirror. The draft has come and gone. So now what?
Jeremy
Now it's time to get the crew together. You keep the fandom energy going. It doesn't stop when the Super Bowl's gone. We gather.
Mike Ryan
Exactly. And look, just because the pads are off doesn't mean game day stops around here. We do game days even in the offseason season. And what better way to do that than with a cold drink and your people around.
Jeremy
You've heard it all season long. Football is not a solo thing. This is not a me thing. This is not an I thing. This is a we thing.
Mike Ryan
There is no I in fandom, baby. So grab your crew, grab some Smirnoff and get into that off season groove. Summer workouts, training camp, rumors, fantasy football prep, it's all coming folks.
Jeremy
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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Hour 1: Dan Got Chased by a Bird
Release Date: June 3, 2025
Timestamp: 01:14 - 05:01
The episode kicks off with Dan Le Batard reflecting on superhero catchphrases, particularly critiquing the phrase, "I happen to have a few questions for you." Dan muses, "Does sound like the world's lamest threat, does it not? I happen to have a few questions" ([02:00]). This segues into a lively debate about the nature of sports journalism, focusing on Pablo Torre versus Bill Simmons.
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Timestamp: 05:01 - 08:14
Dan brings up a personal anecdote about hearing ice cream truck music and questions the viability of the ice cream truck business in the modern economy. This sparks a debate among the hosts about the current state of ice cream trucks.
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Timestamp: 08:14 - 12:22
The conversation shifts to personal stories, focusing on Tony’s challenges balancing fatherhood with his passion for video games.
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Timestamp: 14:38 - 18:43
Dan brings up a rumor about NBA star Giannis Antetokounmpo potentially joining the Toronto Raptors, questioning its plausibility.
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Timestamp: 28:16 - 40:52
The conversation transitions to animal behavior, exploring which animals are the most affectionate and discussing encounters with aggressive birds.
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Timestamp: 23:15 - 24:30
A light-hearted segment debating the versatility of tomatoes versus potatoes.
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Timestamp: 37:34 - 38:38
Chris Cody introduces a video showcasing an exceptionally organized dog walker managing nearly 25 dogs simultaneously.
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Timestamp: 41:21 - End
As the episode wraps up, the hosts continue to share personal stories and humorous anecdotes, maintaining a light and engaging atmosphere.
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In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, the hosts delve into a diverse range of topics, blending humor with insightful discussions. From the intricacies of sports journalism and the viability of the ice cream truck industry to personal stories about fatherhood and engaging debates about animal behavior, the conversation remains engaging and multifaceted. Notable interactions, such as the debate over Giannis Antetokounmpo’s potential move to the Toronto Raptors and the humorous yet relatable anecdotes about bird attacks, provide listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful perspectives.
Listeners who tune in can expect a blend of light-hearted banter, expert opinions, and personal stories that capture the essence of South Florida’s vibrant culture and the hosts' unique viewpoints.