Hour 1: Dan's Nine-Day Late World Series Coverage

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: Dan's Nine-Day Late World Series Coverage

Date: November 10, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Mike Ryan, Greg Cody, Jeremy

Overview

This episode blends the signature offbeat humor and sharp sports insights typical of the show, with a focus on Dan's delayed World Series analysis, emotional reactions to infamous sports blunders, debates about NFL team quality, and the ongoing integrity crisis in sports betting. As always, the crew mixes thoughtful sports talk with playful banter and cultural asides, offering listeners both laughter and legitimate sports discussion.

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Key Discussion Points

1. World Series Wrap-up and Alejandro Kirk's Haunting At-Bat

(Start: 01:59)

• Dan reflects on missing the chance to discuss the "epic historic" World Series and focuses on Clayton Kershaw's confusion during the finale, humorously referencing "senility" as he thought the series wasn't over yet as he warmed up in the bullpen.
• The panel delves into Alejandro Kirk's crushing, dream-shattering double play in Game 7—grounding into a double play with first and third and one out, falling short when all of Canada was hoping for heroics.
  • Dan: "You go from all your dreams to this is going to haunt you for a while… I imagine that this is the kind of thing that makes you not sleep for many nights." (03:34)
  • Mike Ryan: “We have examples of pitchers who never really recover from that moment. Are there examples of good hitters who never recover from that moment?” (04:50)
• Jeremy highlights Kirk’s full postseason contributions, lamenting that his solid play could be overshadowed by one fateful moment.
  • Jeremy: "It's going to keep him up forever. And you wonder if it like almost impacts his swing path moving forward." (06:48)
• The group discusses how certain sports moments can permanently alter legacies and mentalities, pondering if hitters ever truly recover from these haunting mistakes.

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2. NFL Discourse: Bad Teams, Quarterback Woes, and Greg Cody's Unique Metrics

(08:56 — 24:54)

• Stugotz & Dan debate the Carolina Panthers’ perpetual “in the mix” status, enjoying an ongoing joke about how he constantly flip-flops on their prospects.
  • Dan: “You wrote them off after a win, but now after a bad home loss to the Saints, they're in the mix.” (08:56)
• Mike Ryan and the others playfully assign announcers to “bad game” purgatory: Chris Myers is “Chris Myers after all these years deserves to be promoted from that hell.” (09:45)
• Jets Special Teams: Noted as the only good aspect of the team this season, with rare joy at “two consecutive kicks returned for touchdowns.” (10:32)
• Quarterback talk: Critiques on aging stars like Aaron Rodgers (“huge scaredy cat”) and praise for Matthew Stafford’s stability at 38.
  • Dan: “There are so many times...where I'm like, Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay would get out of that nine times out of 10. And now he's just giving himself over to sacks or throwing balls in the dirt or getting rid of it as quickly as he can because a dude just does not want to get touched.” (20:13)
  • On Stafford: “I think you could make an argument that you probably trust him more than any quarterback. ...In terms of trustworthiness, I trust him more than anybody.” (21:53)
• "Worst Over .500/Best Under .500" Game:
  • Steelers and Jaguars are panned as worst teams over .500.
  • Ravens and Vikings are debated as the most promising teams with losing records.
  • Cowboys and Dolphins briefly considered for surprise status.

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3. Strange Results and Surprising Game Outcomes

(24:10)

• Dolphins’ inconsistent performances are dissected: “Now had two of these games where they put up six points.”
• Mike Ryan: “Sean McDermott's got to be the first coach ever to lose a game on the other team called a timeout before the first play.” (25:04)

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4. Coaches and Sideline Antics

(25:35)

• Focus on Joey Bosa's struggles playing with a club cast and sideline coaches yelling “wrap him up.”
  • Mike Ryan: “You're allowed to actually play the game with a club, which, for all intents and purposes, is a weapon if you have a club and you're swinging at people, that's…that's a foreign object.” (27:11)
  • Pro wrestling analogies (Lex Luger, Owen Hart) are brought in for comedic effect.

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5. Sports Betting Scandals: How Dumb Is Too Dumb?

(34:12 — 41:54)

• Dan details the latest Cleveland Guardians betting scandal involving Emmanuel Clase and Luis Ortiz, highlighting how transparent and “dumb” their actions were—pitchers blatantly throwing balls in clear betting situations.
  • Dan: “This is the most obvious way possible to get caught…betting individual pitches to be a ball or a strike, it really is the dumbest way possible to do this and the easiest way to get caught.” (35:41)
• The discussion pivots to why this baseball scandal isn’t as big as the NBA’s Jontay Porter fix.
  • Stugotz: “This scandal is not being treated like the NBA scandal. Why?” (36:15)
  • Mike Ryan: “I think it's just popularity.” (36:21)
• UFC and tennis are cited as far more vulnerable due to their poor pay structures and the ease of impacting the result.
  • Dan: “The problem in UFC is because those guys have been training so long on how to survive and win that they're very bad at losing and making it look like it’s an accident.” (37:52)
  • Stugotz: “The pay is so shitty in UFC that you can actually make it a tempting amount of money for a fighter.” (38:14)
• The segment closes by acknowledging how sports betting scandals are as old as sports themselves.

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6. Pop Culture and Show Inside Jokes

(29:00, 33:02)

• Impressions Segment: Mike Ryan offers his Al Pacino-impression from “Carlito’s Way.”
  • Mike Ryan: “You think you're big time when you're going to die big time.” (29:10)
  • The crew gives playful “suey” award nominee feedback.
• Greg Cody Homages: Greg references his own “College Basketball is back, Jack!” line being co-opted by ESPN play-by-play.
• Show runs through perennial complaints about the timing of the college basketball season and the habits of gambling obsessives.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Dan (re: Alejandro Kirk’s haunting double play): “That is the kind of thing that makes you not sleep for many nights.” (03:34)
• Mike Ryan (skeptical of player recoveries): “Are there examples of good hitters who never recover from that moment?” (04:50)
• Jeremy (on Kirk’s postseason): “He had been so special through the entire postseason...so effective offensively.” (06:10)
• Dan (on Aaron Rodgers aging): “If you don't want to get hit, don't play the game.” (20:13)
• Mike Ryan (on club casts): “You're allowed to play the game with a club...that’s a weapon...” (27:11)
• Dan (on sports betting scandal): “All of this is being regulated so closely...this is the most obvious way possible to get caught.” (35:41)
• Mike Ryan (NBA betting scandal): “I think it's just popularity.” (36:21)
• Dan (on UFC fix vulnerability): “The pay is so shitty in UFC that...you can actually make it a tempting amount of money for a fighter.” (38:14)
• Greg Cody (signature catchphrase): “College basketball is back, Jack.” (33:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• World Series/Kirk Talk: 01:59–08:00
• NFL Bad Team Debates: 08:56–23:00
• Surprising Results & Worst/Best Teams Game: 23:00–25:30
• Sideline Club Cast & Coaches: 25:35–27:40
• Sports Betting Scandals: 34:12–41:54
• Pop Culture/Impressions: 29:00, 33:02

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Tone and Style

The episode is loaded with the trademark Dan Le Batard Show mix of irreverence, clever banter, local Miami flavor, and surprisingly deep sports analysis. Even in dissecting serious topics—like sports betting scandals or legacy-defining blunders—the mood remains playful, quick-witted, and full of inside jokes.

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Summary

This episode centers on Dan’s overdue World Series recap, how heartbreak in sports lingers for athletes and fans, and where betting threatens to undermine the games themselves. Along the way, lively debates about NFL mediocrity, the strangeness of certain teams and players, and sports culture at large keep things spirited and sharp.

Whether you missed the episode or just want the best moments, this summary captures the energetic, insightful, and laugh-out-loud spirit of the show.

Transcript

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[Stugats]

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[Mike Ryan]

Why would anyone not be surprised hearing that?

[Stugats]

I was also surprised. He just didn't. He didn't. It didn't register for him that they had won the World Series. But the other question I wanted to ask you guys because we mentioned last week that that series, just in extra innings, had more memorable moments than your average World Series. The thing I wanted to ask you guys is how haunting, and I want you guys to think about this for a second. How haunting do you believe all of that will be going into the future for Alejandro Kirk? The fact that you're coming up in that situation, first and third, it's the situation every kid dreams about at the beginning of sports. I get to come up in Game 7 at home. Canada wants to win something meaningful. When Canada doesn't win anything meaningful ever, you're knocking off the giant you have in front of you. First and third, one out. But you're shaped like no baseball player today is shaped. You're not much of a runner and you ground into a double play on a broken bat, hitting the ball in the one spot that you can't hit it, where they're going to turn. A quick double play. And you go from all of your dreams to this is going to haunt you for a while. I imagine that this is the kind of thing that makes you not sleep for many nights. If you care about sports, care about, that guy's great, that guy's great. He was great in the postseason, but the season, all of it dies. Vladimir Guerrero's on base. They've gotten the game to the part of the lineup that the Blue Jays trust the most. And then at the end of the game, I imagine that he has trouble sleep, that he's still not sleeping correctly because of how all of that ended for him.

[Mike Ryan]

We have examples of pitchers who never really recover from that moment. Are there examples of good hitters who never recover from that moment?

[Stugats]

I'm trying to remember a moment like that for a hitter right there. There are, there's a Mets at bat of some sort. I think it was Beltran who just took a third strike to end the season. And you can't take a third strike to end the season Cardinals, you have to swing the bat. But I, off the top of my head, I cannot remember quite that kind of haunting. Where you go from you're going into that batter's box thinking, thinking this is all my dreams come true. I'm getting the opportunity that everybody wants for my country, for my team, for my teammates. I've got the ability to slay the giant here at home and end the most epic World Series maybe since Joe Carter did it 30 years ago for Toronto by hitting a walk off home run. But that was a game six that wasn't, that's not game seven. End of the game, runners on first and third. All you need is a fly ball to tie the game. But instead you become something that's an eternal horrific at bat where, where people will not forget that you failed in the spot that all the kids dream about.

[Jeremy]

The shame of it for Kirk is he had been so special through the entire postseason and even in the World Series. Remember, he's the guy who gave them the lead in game three with a home run and was so effective offensively for them, taken out in the 12th inning of that 18 inning marathon. So not given the opportunity to turn out to be the hero in that game that could have given them a three nothing series lead. Instead, he comes up in this spot after catching a grueling season nearly every single game and being one of the best defensive catchers in baseball, hitting the crap out of the ball all postseason long and then hits it right into the spot where Mookie Beck, the one.

[Stugats]

The one spot you can't hit it.

[Jeremy]

It must, it's going to keep him up forever. And you wonder if it like it almost impacts his swing path moving forward. Like I never want to hit the ball on the ground for the rest of my life.

[Stugats]

I really do think it's an uncommon kind of haunting because I just off the top of my head, I can't remember a, a situation like that where you go from all your dreams come true to your season is over in an instant and you've disappointed not just your teammates, your country at the end of that series when the thing about this, I don't know how the rest of you deal with disappointment, but one of the ways to deal with disappointment is to place your expectations in a reasonable place. When he's entering that batter's box. His expectations are through the roof on what it is can be accomplished there. And the one thing that you can't do is the thing that he did. It's. It's the. It's the only thing you could strike out on three pitches. And it's not that.

[Jeremy]

Again, that's the shame. Right. Because his. I would think his fan base will be forgiving of that moment, considering what it is that he did to get them there and the fact that Yamamoto came in and mowed down everybody.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, there were also so many other chances.

[Stugats]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

That game.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

That they should have won.

[Jeremy]

Right. Right. That's the thing. He's not the only one who came up short. He's just the one who ended it. It's Bieber who gives up the home run in the previous at bat.

[Mike Ryan]

It's like on the force out at home. Like, you know, I would put him in front.

[Jeremy]

No.

[Stugats]

But. No, the punctuation. The punctuation is where it is that you go from all of your dreams to the worst nightmares. Something I had happen to me during football, this continues to happen to me in a way that's surprising. It is legitimately surprising. What washes over me. I'm listening really briefly to Carolina Saints yesterday, Carolina's in the mix now. Their season was over every time they won, but now they're back in the mix. They lose that one.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't understand your approach to the Carolina Panthers. You wrote them off after a win, but now after a bad home loss to the Saints, they're in the mix.

[Stugats]

In the mix, yes. Well, now I'm just. I'm trying to be at this trough where everyone is eating, trying actively to be provocative for the sake of provocation. But the thing that swept over me, that keeps sweeping over me is I feel bad for Chris Myers because he's the one who has to broadcast that game. And I'm like, he's done too many of these. He needs to be promoted to something that's not this game. That him having to be forced to watch that game. He's been doing too many years of that game as a local product here in South Florida. Went to Chaminade High School. He deserves. Put it on the poll at lebatard show. Juju. Does Chris Myers after all these years deserve to be promoted from that hell.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugats]

He always gets stuck with that game. That.

[Dan Le Batard]

That one Spiro got stuck with Browns, Jets. What are we doing? He deserved to Be in Houston for Jets.

[Greg Cody]

I feel like they're trolling us. Yes, we had him on. He's not getting any of his.

[Dan Le Batard]

He hasn't had a single AFC south assignment since he revealed he's in a group chat that says AFC south boys.

[Mike Ryan]

Boy, that chat must be dormant.

[Stugats]

That jets game, I did not know. Have you guys seen Will McDonald IV has the Roman numeral 4 on the back of a jersey? I've never seen it before. Have you guys seen The Roman numeral.

[Dan Le Batard]

4 for the Texans? Will Fuller.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, yeah. That guy steal money from Dolphins.

[Stugats]

He did one season of My bad.

[Greg Cody]

For a second there, I was like, his jersey number is a Roman. That's wild. I get it now in the name. Yeah, that's more common.

[Stugats]

Did he have four sacks yesterday? Did will McDonald have four sacks in that. That Browns jets game? That. Did you guys watch any of that? I'm going to give the stat again on red zone. I mean, they had. They had to. The jets had two consecutive kicks returned for touchdowns. That's as good as the jets have felt in how many years. Those two kick returns for touchdowns. Justin Fields going 3 for 6 for 5 yards with an interception. And watching everything that was happening in that game. The total in that game was lower than all the other totals yesterday. And they went over it fairly quickly because they got the jets actually quiet as it's kept. You'd have no reason to know this. Their special teams have been very good this year. It's the only thing about the jets that have been any good. But the. Nobody thinks that the Browns of Dylan. Dylan Gabriel is not the answer there. Correct. Like, we're. We're. We're aware that that's not a solution to anybody's problem.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if they're aware.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, we're still tracking towards a means plan. If you remember, they go to Dylan early and then they're going to eventually get to Shador by a means plan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, I would have thought that that is the plan, but it seems like they hate Shadow Sanders and it.

[Stugats]

Seems like he's not ready. But when you guys are watching any portion of Brown's jets, are you. Are you made sad by what it is you're doing with your life?

[Dan Le Batard]

I am so happy that I'm not doing that with my life anymore. Honestly, I've come out of the other. On the other side, like, so happy.

[Stugats]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I can't believe this isn't my life anymore. Do you understand? Like, that was my life for 20 years.

[Mike Ryan]

So it doesn't wait. Like you don't miss it at all?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I certainly don't miss that either. There weren't really any good times.

[Greg Cody]

Thought you were a Bucs guy now. You're not stressing that loss yesterday?

[Dan Le Batard]

I am stressing a little bit. I mean, they're still so hurt. How do you come out of a bi week more injured?

[Mike Ryan]

But to you, like, will games be going on? And I understand that you got red zone on whatever. You don't take out your phone and follow what your former favorite team is doing now.

[Dan Le Batard]

First year I was keeping an eye on it a little bit more and the desean thing was a national storyline, so you had to follow it. Now it's just like they barely exist.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow. Good for you. Clean break.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. Means a lot to me now. If they drafted Cam Ward, I would have been back in. I would have. They had. That was their one opportunity, but thank God. So now I'm watching great Titans football.

[Stugats]

Mind you, I'm curious as I, as I say this question what the answer is, because it's not something I've considered before. How many more bad teams are there in the league that you know are bad than teams you know are good? Teams that teams that you trust to be good going forward. Who is at the moment the Are the Chiefs the betting favorite? Who's the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we talked about.

[Greg Cody]

And then the Rams.

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[Mike Ryan]

Do we know the Ravens are good?

[Stugats]

Well, their schedule, the next three games are going to make it, so they are good. Look at their schedule. Look at, look at what their schedule is the next three games because that was the tough one. Yesterday was the tough one in Minnesota. I think they've got Cincinnati, Cleveland and the jets next. I think those are their next three games.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm starting to get a little pissed off at how much JJ McCarthy is confused at.

[Stugats]

Yeah, I don't know why you'd believe in J.J. mcCarthy.

[Dan Le Batard]

He started four games because like he's had like two electric quarters where I'm like I see it. I see it.

[Stugats]

What do you see?

[Dan Le Batard]

I see it.

[Stugats]

No, no. This is the thing about that league. That look. Davis Mills has six wins in his career. Three of them are against the Jags. Davis. Davis. The Jags think Davis Mills is Patrick Mahomes. Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Do the Jags think think that Davis Mills is Patrick Mahomes?

[Jeremy]

Is that why Tony was so in on Davis Mills? He just watches so much Jaguar football that he thinks Davis Mills is Dan.

[Greg Cody]

Tony's in on every quarterback.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, but that one specifically, no.

[Stugats]

Because Colt McCoy will always give you that game once in a while. Like we could do this. What's the commercial for? Backups. Is it progressive? I've thought that Trubisky's in these commercials. Taste the taste of wetness. Bridgewater is in these commercials. I've thought that their agents, that they should have more dignity than this. That Trubisky and Bridgewater shouldn't take that money to be backup orders because someone screws up a fast food order.

[Greg Cody]

I wanna see the email back and forth between the quarterback and his agent. Cuz it gets pitched, he goes, I'm not doing that. I'm not a. I don't wanna be a backup. And then they get the number and he's like, all right, I'll do it.

[Stugats]

I think Gardner Minshew turned that down and should have taken it. Like he's the personality type who should take it. I also enjoy from those commercials and they've been doing this since Brian Arakbo was saying their name. They have to name their name because otherwise you wouldn't know it was Trubisky or you wouldn't know.

[Greg Cody]

Get over here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, Case Keenum. I mean, they did the same thing with Baker Mayfield.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Despite having started 1 and 5, the Ravens are a massive favorite to win the AFC North.

[Stugats]

Did I have their schedule right? Over the next three games where they're going, they're going to have a five game win.

[Dan Le Batard]

Brown, Jets, Bengals, Steelers also piss me off. I don't like watching them.

[Greg Cody]

It's a weird team.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're not good. When did Aaron Rodgers become a huge scaredy cat? Guy hates. He's old. He just like he's just flinching and running away and throwing balls in the dirt. The guy hates getting hit and he's extra pissy this year. I don't like him.

[Stugats]

Did he just quietly stop doing McAfee? Because you say he's extra pissy, but I don't see him making Any more headlines?

[Dan Le Batard]

Did he at his, at his teammates? Like, like no one can stare down a teammate and make them feel like shit more with their face than then.

[Mike Ryan]

Aaron Rodgers was the best of that. Oh, Maria was so good.

[Greg Cody]

Aaron needs some stubble. I don't like clean shaven Aaron.

[Dan Le Batard]

Brady.

[Stugats]

Brady was pretty good at that too. Brady was pretty good at showing everybody everyone else's imperfections also.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's going on, Chargers? Why. Why the yellow pants? You're going out of your way to make this hard. Ravens to screw you. Ravens.

[Greg Cody]

Weird.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're playing the Vikings and you're like, hey, let's dust off the purple pants here.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, it was weird.

[Stugats]

Let me explore something with you. When Mike Ryan says, huge scaredy cat, Aaron Rodgers, and I'm not going to disagree with you, but Aaron Rodgers is of an age that to me, if you told me right now, hey, you know who hates getting hit? Nick Folk. Nick Folk hates the way that he's getting better. Once you're over 40, once you're around 40 years old, it seems like a terrible job to be hit. Being hit by 330 pound people.

[Dan Le Batard]

I understand. I don't want. It's not my job. But it's also something that he's been doing for 20 years and now it's just like a super odd time to be all of a sudden like, I'm over. If you don't want to get hit, don't play the game. There are so many plays and I'm watching Aaron Rodgers in the pocket now this season where I'm like, that dude is old. That it's also the Achilles thing. And it's natural. Like guys don't excel at this age for a reason. There was only one and we were having an honest debate as to whether or not he cloned himself last week. Like he's that much of an outlier. But there are so many times in the pocket where I'm like, Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay would get out of that nine times out of 10. And now he's just giving himself over to sacks or throwing balls in the dirt or getting rid of it as quickly as he can because a dude just does not want to get touched.

[Mike Ryan]

They're five and four. It feels like they have no chance of making the playoffs. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

But then next week they'll put together a complete. I mean, they just beat the Colts. They just beat the Colts. They're. They're a confusing team. They piss me off. Not as much as JJ McCarthy does, but they're getting up there.

[Stugats]

They only beat the Colts, though, because the Colts turned the ball over six times.

[Jeremy]

Well, the Browns beat the Dolphins 31 to 6, and then the Dolphins beat the Bills 30 to 13. So they beat them. Doesn't really seem to mean anything in this league.

[Stugats]

How old is Stafford? What is. What is the age on Matthew Stafford?

[Mike Ryan]

38. Who doesn't.

[Stugats]

Who doesn't seem to be shying away from contact. And you, you can certainly make the argument. I mean, the stat I gave earlier is an insanity. To play six games and throw 20 touchdown passes against zero interceptions is a level of perfection and mastery we haven't seen in the sport before, as Jeremy mentioned. But for him to be 38, I can make the argument, could I, that Stafford is having his best season ever.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think you could make an argument that you probably trust him more than any quarterback. He's not the best. All right. I trust my team to be great with Patrick Mahomes. I trust him to be great with Josh Allen. But there are elements to their game which also make them special. They have a higher ceiling because he'll make unbelievable things happen. But they'll do the occasional, like, heat check, feel themselves crazy thing. Matthew Stafford, in terms of trustworthiness, I trust him more than anybody. I know that he's not going to do anything crazy in a game.

[Greg Cody]

I want to play the game. Worst over 500 team and best under 500 team. There's only one team. There's only one team in the entire NFL that's five and five. 500 Panthers. So we're going to eliminate them from this game. They're just in the.

[Stugats]

Their season is done, but they're in the mix.

[Greg Cody]

All right. So there's only. For me, there's two nominees for worst above 500 team and it's Steelers, Jags, they're both five and four. There's no other. All the other team. Maybe Bears would be the next where they're six and three, but we actually kind of buy in that.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll throw other bills in there. Really? Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Not. They're not in the closer windows.

[Dan Le Batard]

Says you're doing the like the sue got Sandy Reid, Patrick Mahomes. But like, what are you doing?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if you saw the game yesterday. It's 130 to 13. That window's closed. That's not a good team.

[Greg Cody]

It has to be for the best under 500 team. I don't think we're going to do better than Ravens.

[Stugats]

No, we're not. We're not going to do well if Vikings 4 and 5, if Joe Burrow were to come back all of a sudden you would have stugats arguing that no one would to play them in the Super Bowl. He has them as last year's best team, even though they didn't.

[Greg Cody]

It's Vikings or Ravens for under 500 team.

[Stugats]

Will you guys stop with the Vikings? They've got a quarterback problem.

[Greg Cody]

They're good team.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know.

[Greg Cody]

They're not bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

I see it. But I also don't like them.

[Stugats]

The stuff. The Vikings have a quarterback problem. Okay. Because you're sitting here buying on JJ McCarthy when you're willing to buy on any quarterback who can go 17 for 27 in a game, as most of them can.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not buying, but I also don't want to let this opportunity slip through my fingers. I'm just at the furniture store staring at it.

[Greg Cody]

Do the Cowboys get any conversation in their under 500?

[Stugats]

No. Their defense is just horrific.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, it is.

[Jeremy]

How about the Dolphins? I mean, come on, one and oh, one and oh. Since they fired the game over.

[Stugats]

Stop that.

[Mike Ryan]

Dolphins three backup playoffs.

[Jeremy]

Really good.

[Stugats]

Okay. The Dolphins, though getting back to what I was originally saying earlier in the show in terms of surprising results this season because the Dolphins have now had two of these games where they put up six points. Okay. They did it against the Ravens, they did it against the Browns. Then they go out there against the Bills and they drag the Bills. Drag the Bills in a game that was never close. You were expecting the entire time for the Bills to do something just because they can be scary offensively and they've got an MVP at quarterback. But in terms of surprising results this season, can it be an eight point, an eight point dog at home? Is that the most surprise? Can it be the most surprising result of the season? Or is Cleveland Green Bay going to be that?

[Mike Ryan]

No, I think that's the most surprising start, surprising game. And I'm just wondering, like, Sean McDermott's got to be the first coach ever to lose a game on the other team called a timeout before the first play.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

Like that's first time ever.

[Stugats]

Yeah, that's probably the first time that that's ever happened. Yes. Because I've never seen a timeout called before. Any time has come off the clock, you realize that.

[Greg Cody]

And the timeout is just a chef's kiss.

[Stugats]

Okay. But do you realize that McDaniel could have called that timeout on Friday or Saturday and it felt the same as what? There was no time off the clock.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pretty sure I saw Randy Shannon do that six times.

[Mike Ryan]

The Dolphins had no timeouts remaining with nine minutes left in the first half. Sean McDermott's got to be the first coach to ever lose to a team that had no timeouts remaining with 9 minutes left in the first half, right?

[Stugats]

Can I ask the rest of you, windows closed, if. If you were Joey Bosa and you had a cast on your arm and your defense stinks and everyone's injured, but you're out there with a cast on your arm and Hn, who can be tough to tackle and broke a lot of tackles yesterday, if you look at the sidelines and your coach, who looks dumber when he's wearing glasses, just yelling at you, wrap him up. And you can't even give him the middle finger because you got a cast on. You've got his hand, I don't believe was free. I believe the cast was over the entirety of his hand, was it not?

[Dan Le Batard]

Sounds like it makes it difficult to wrap up.

[Stugats]

It would seem like, what. What. What good is your coach doing in that spot when a tackle is being broken and you feel bad enough and you look at your sideline and your coach is telling you, wrap him up. As if you're not a professional football player who knows that he's supposed to.

[Mike Ryan]

Wrap McDermott, supposed to say in that spot, like, he's yelling wrap it up. To everybody else, but Bosa's involved, like, wrap it up. No, except for you, Bosa, because you're wearing a cast and it's really hard for you to wrap it up, but everybody else, wrap it up.

[Stugats]

Jeremy, would you do me the favor, please? I don't think that a cast should be around the fingers, but the re. I don't know what part of Bosa was hurt that made him wear a cast. That now has me imagining that the cast was also wrapping up his fingers. Because I don't. I don't think that's. I don't think that. Think that's a cast that they do in medicine. Maybe he had a finger, wrist problem. I don't remember. I remember. Like, I'm watching this, and I'm like, bosa couldn't. You need your hands to be able to wrap somebody up like, you get.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. My favorite's when they make it the club.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, It's a club that's like, no fingers.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so let's just get something straight. You're allowed to punch players during a game, and you're allowed to actually play the game with a club, which, for all intents and purposes, is a weapon if you have a club and you're swinging at people, that's. That's a foreign object.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how Owen Hart used it.

[Mike Ryan]

Yup. He's got a club and he's allowed to swing it at people.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where were you on Lex Luger in the illegal forearm?

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't like it.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, he had the plate.

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't like it. It was, it was all. That was a point of contention for me as a kid. How is that allowed? He's got a metal plate in his arm.

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[Mike Ryan]

Don LeBatard John, can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way? If I do it for you, I think it's pretty good.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Ok. Stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

You think you're big time when you're going to die big time.

[Jeremy]

That is on my infamous scale of.

[Stugats]

1 to 10, that's a.

[Jeremy]

That's a 7.6 solid.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good job. That's a suey nominee right there. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugats]

It is too bad that Greg Cody is not here with us today. Not just because the homer Dolphins were celebrating his, his homerific Dolphins were celebrating in the locker room as if they had won the Super Bowl.

[Greg Cody]

And he was bragging on the great Cody show that came out this morning that he had the Dolphins with the spread yesterday.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shockingly.

[Stugats]

Yeah. He always, he always picks the Dolphins to keep it close to lose but cover. Right. Well, he also had them, though, having a winning season, as I recall.

[Greg Cody]

Fifteenth best team.

[Jeremy]

Well, they're about to win three in a row. I mean, if you go ahead and.

[Greg Cody]

Look at this schedule now, that they might lose the Commanders and then they might win three.

[Jeremy]

The Commanders have lost five straight games and they have Marcus Mariota, quarterback.

[Greg Cody]

That's fair.

[Jeremy]

And then they bye week and then the Saints with Tyler Schuck and then the jets, they're going to go into Monday Night Football at the Pittsburgh Steelers with a chance to get to 500W.

[Stugats]

How many more bad teams are there in the NFL than good teams? How many more teams are there that you know are bad, bad or good?

[Greg Cody]

Put them in either category.

[Stugats]

Because we just talked about the Ravens and the Dolphins schedule and all of those teams are bad. Like everybody, the next month of games for the Ravens and the Dolphins, they're playing bad teams and the Dolphins are a bad team.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think there are more good teams than bad teams.

[Stugats]

No. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know who else pisses me off? Atlanta. Who are you?

[Greg Cody]

That's a bad team.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

They're not going in the good bucket. I won't sit for that.

[Mike Ryan]

I got 10 bad teams.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, they almost won at New England last week. They should have.

[Stugats]

Yeah, but almost winning. I'm doing Bucks, Patriots. Good teams, you know, are bad and teams, you know, are good. And I think. I think there are a good many more bad teams. For example, I know that the Carolina Panthers, whose season is done, even though they're in the mix, I know they're a bad team. I know the Carolina Panthers are a bad team.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, they won at Lambeau.

[Stugats]

Yeah, so. So did Cleveland.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, Cleveland won in Cleveland.

[Stugats]

Did they?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Stugats]

Oh, I thought that game was in Green Bay for some reason. Regardless, winning in Lambeau or not winning in Lambeau, I'm not sure Green Bay is a good team. Even though they could be undefeated if not for their losses against bad teams.

[Dan Le Batard]

They could beat the super bowl champions today.

[Stugats]

I'm not positive Green Bay is a good team because of what their losses are, not what their wins are.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, they're strained. They're going to have like one of the better wins in the season if they beat the Eagles.

[Stugats]

They've got the worst tie that we.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lost, worst home loss to Carolina, and then they lost to Cleveland.

[Mike Ryan]

They have one of the best wins of the season, too, though. That first game against Detroit, they killed them.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're very strange team.

[Stugats]

It's interesting that you've checked out on the Browns. And yet you made that correction on me on where that Green Bay game was played, even though you're not paying attention to the Browns at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan. I care about being accurate. I'm not a man that's just going to stick to his gun. So I had, like, $400 on that game.

[Stugats]

Chris Cody, do me the favor, please, of getting your narcissist father, who I wish was here.

[Greg Cody]

I was labeling my good and bad teams, but y' all got that for you.

[Stugats]

If not for his trick knee, your father would be here because he would enjoy that. There was ESPN's Taylor Wall. Taylor Wall was calling a game here. Well, look at. Listen to what he said, because you're gonna get jealous here, Zaslow. He's calling a basketball game, and I believe this is his introduction. Like, he is opening the broadcast. He. The broadcast on espn. Taylor Wall is doing a college basketball game, and this is how he opens it. Welcome back to Charles and Taylor Wall. Jack DeLong Shaw here as. As the great Greg Cody would say, college basketball is back, Jack.

[Mike Ryan]

It's awesome. I mean, that's awesome.

[Stugats]

All right, welcome back to Charles and Taylor Wall.

[Mike Ryan]

Jack DeLong Shaw here as.

[Stugats]

As the great Greg Cody would say, College basketball is back, Jack.

[Mike Ryan]

So inside.

[Greg Cody]

Even the guy next to him is just like, okay, whatever that means. Keep it moving.

[Stugats]

I mean, that's real confidence, though, at the start of a broadcast to be. So you warn your partner.

[Mike Ryan]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Do that.

[Mike Ryan]

Right. Listen, I'm gonna say something. Just roll with it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guys have the same kind of reaction to the start of college basketball season than I did, which was not yet.

[Stugats]

It is too early.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's an after Thanksgiving thing for me.

[Stugats]

Oh, that's a March thing for me.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think it's a March thing for.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, 90% too weak thing for Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. The people that are really into college basketball are either in Indiana or they gamble way too much.

[Stugats]

Not a lot. Not enough options for you on the gambling that you need to do college. You need to do college basketball in November. Dude, before you know what anyone is.

[Dan Le Batard]

The people that make a lot of money on gambling on.

[Stugats]

On.

[Dan Le Batard]

On sports gambling, they love their college basketball. It's one with the lines where they don't matter what the house had.

[Stugats]

I want to talk a little bit about a gambling story that is going to be radar, and I want to ask you guys why it's under the radar. Because it seems to me that the basketball prop scandals are bigger than the baseball prop scandals. But this most recent Cleveland Guardian scandal scandal that involves Luis Ortiz And Emmanuel Classe. Now, Emmanuel Classe a year ago, before last season, was as unhittable a human being as there was. He was the best closer in baseball. Every time I watched him pitch, I'm like, how does any one hit what that man is throwing? They, the middle of last season, were yanked off the field. And then over the weekend, Jeff Passen reported that indictments came out of Brooklyn because in what I believe to be the dumbest way possible, these two guys get caught because people are betting on individual pitches they are throwing. They're betting huge amounts. It's the easiest way to catch. You've heard Mike Ryan say that this is more regulated than it ever has been. And the reason these scandals are bigger than they ever have been is at least in part because all of this is being regulated so closely. And some of the quote, unquote, criminals. We're gonna do innocent until proven guilty. Even though the circumstantial evidence is damning. This is the most obvious way possible to get caught. Let me bet that a pitcher is gonna call. A pitcher's gonna thr in this situation instead of a strike. And then Emmanuel class a, whose control is impeccable, is throwing a ball straight into the dirt in front of the mound. And there's a huge amount of money being bet on that somewhere when, you know, very few people are betting individual pitches to be a ball or a strike, it really is the dumbest way possible to do this and the easiest way to get caught.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly right. It is the dumbest possible thing. And I don't know where anyone thinks they can get away with that.

[Stugats]

But this scandal is not being treated like the NBA scandal. Why?

[Mike Ryan]

I think it's just popularity.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Not as famous to all.

[Jeremy]

It is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm learning this person's name for the first time. I don't follow.

[Stugats]

Hold on. But John tay porter is not as good as his job as Emmanuel Classe.

[Mike Ryan]

Is talking about popularity in sport.

[Stugats]

No, but when. Okay, I got it. But when John tay porter was caught, and it was first, it was earlier, so maybe that has something to do with it. It was the first thing that arrived. Whereas it's like, wait a minute. A nobody player on the end of the bench is allowing unders to cash because he's leaving with an injury. This one, though, is especially dumb. And we enjoyed sort of dissecting how dumb some of the details were around the fixed poker game with Chauncey Billups. We enjoy the stupidity of Terry Rozier risking a salary that is, you know, $26 million a year. It's usually harder to get to the pros because they make so much. Not offering them enough with a prop bet to make the risk worth it. The place that it is worth it, and the place that I believe has the biggest problem, even though this is a problem, rest assured, it's a problem. It's got the attention of Adam Silver. Adam Silver does not want this anywhere near his league. The place that it is. The biggest problem is ufc, because those people aren't being paid enough, and the risk ends up being worth it when they're totally in control. The problem in UFC is because those guys have been training so long on how to survive and win that they're very bad at losing and making it look like it's an accident. They're bad at it. Like, people who are watching UFC fighters throw fights can tell. Wait a minute. That's remedial. He should be able to. This person is such a favorite that what is happening in that spot is something that, you know, a white belt in karate would be able to defend that better.

[Mike Ryan]

They can't just take. Fake taking a punch to the mouth and going down. These experts can look at and say, that doesn't look.

[Stugats]

It's fairly obvious. The one that happened most recently with UFC is super obvious. But also ufc, I would say, is just simply more susceptible to this. College basketball is another one, college football, I guess. But college basketball is so. There are so few people that can control the result. But in ufc, you've got. You've only got to get to one guy. The crime, the criminal only has to get to one guy who needs money and make it worth it to the one guy. And the pay is so shitty in UFC that you. That. That is a huge. That is a bigger problem than it is anywhere else in sports, because you have one guy who can control the result. And again, what I'm saying is the labor is played paid so poorly that you can actually make it a tempting amount of money for a fighter. Because, I mean, some of these fighters are. Are. They're. They're working second jobs. Even. You can hear stories of even champions because the pay is so shitty in UFC that, to me, that is vastly more dangerous in terms of the structural integrity of the sport. But you're starting from a place where the sport doesn't have very much structural integrity. Boxing and the fighting games, you know, they're notoriously in the sewer and notoriously susceptible to this kind of stuff.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stuff.

[Mike Ryan]

Feel like we could do it in tennis, too. Tennis. And that's why it usually happens.

[Dan Le Batard]

It happens a lot in tennis.

[Mike Ryan]

Feel like tennis pretty easy.

[Dan Le Batard]

These scandals are. There was a massive one with Juventus in 06 before gambling was legalized here. Like, this is really. It's. It's a. It's as old as sports are gambling scandals around it and probably some of the more effective ones ever. And the largest in scale. You don't know about.

[Stugats]

Oh, but Mike, hold on. The place I've got to stop you is that the money in sports is so giant with the salaries of athletes. Now you're talking about tennis. Tennis players are paid well. Tennis winners are paid very well. Even in ufc, the winners aren't paid that well. That's why Francis Naganu is going and doing boxing matches. Because even as heavyweight champion of the world, he's like, this isn't enough money. That's why Jon Jones isn't fighting as much as he could be, because he's like, this isn't enough money to be worth it for me. But in, in tennis, the checks are big. Ufc. No, man, that's. Those are not big. You can absolutely. And it's not a prop bet. It's not like, hey, in one game, can you go under here and walk off with an injury in. In. In ufc, what you're talking about is, hey, under as a favorite, this loss isn't actually going to cost you very much. Like, if you lose this fight, I can make it worth your time to lose this fight and you can continue this as a career if you don't get caught.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't you think it's legislated in part because the physical aspects of it, like going down in the fourth round means you get punched, you get knocked out. And also it certainly interrupts your future earnings. And that sport, and in that league in particular, Dana is cruel.

[Stugats]

Oh, but you can have losses there and climb back out of losses. Like, that's not very.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't feel like it happens very often.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's hard to climb out, especially if you're on the undercard there. Like, Dana churns these fighters out.

[Stugats]

I don't agree with you there. I see all the time fighters fighting big fights who have four and five and six losses. Losses happen in that sport. You can absolutely rebound from that couple.

[Dan Le Batard]

But like lower undercard guys, I don't think so.

[Stugats]

Okay, but that's not what we were talking about. What are you. What are you nodding your head at?

[Greg Cody]

Kind of agreeing with Mike that like a few losses in that sport, you're not getting big money fights anymore.

[Jeremy]

The part that's crazy with Classe and Ortiz is that Class A had been apparently doing this for a couple of years. And then ultimately he brought in Ortiz. He threw a couple of pitches that got flagged, and then right away they were both suspended. So it was just because he wanted to get Ortiz a little taste.

[Mike Ryan]

Come on, taste the taste of wetness.

[Stugats]

It's a strange advertising campaign.

[Greg Cody]

I have 16 good teams. By the way, half the league is.

[Dan Le Batard]

No way.

[Stugats]

No.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugats]

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