Hour 1: Do The NBA's Ratings Matter?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Hour 1: Do The NBA's Ratings Matter?
Release Date: February 20, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz titled "Do The NBA's Ratings Matter?", hosts Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and co-hosts Chris Cody, Greg Cody, Mike Ryan, and Billy engage in a deep dive into the significance of NBA ratings in today’s evolving sports media landscape. Filmed from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, the discussion navigates through the complexities of sports broadcasting, media rights deals, and the shifting consumption patterns of basketball fans.

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Main Discussion: The Relevance of NBA Ratings

1. Ratings vs. Business Revenue

The conversation primarily centers around whether declining NBA ratings genuinely impact the league's financial health. Chris Cody introduces the argument that despite fluctuations in viewership, the NBA's robust media rights deals ensure financial stability.

• Chris Cody (15:13):
  "When we're having this conversation about rating slipping in basketball, they don't matter. The guaranteed money that NBA now has, it doesn't matter if you watch or not."

He further emphasizes that the NBA's substantial television contracts provide a cushion that decouples immediate viewership numbers from the league's revenue streams.

• Chris Cody (15:30):
  "The business of it gets the guarantee. So we spend so much time talking about the ratings and the ratings don't hurt the business in any way. The money's all guaranteed."

2. Insights from the Sporting Class Podcast

Chris Cody references insights from the Sporting Class podcast, featuring Pablo Torre, John Skipper, and David Sampson, to bolster the argument that the NBA's business model is resilient against rating declines.

• Chris Cody (15:42):
  "They flew in Darren Revel yesterday to have a business off with David Sampson... the business of basketball... they have those rich people competing for... It's all about the show first because you know..."

He highlights that top executives believe the NBA's financial framework is robust enough to withstand fluctuations in viewership, attributing this resilience to lucrative media rights deals.

3. The Shift to Social Media and Streaming

The hosts discuss the paradigm shift from traditional TV viewership to digital and social media consumption, suggesting that the NBA is transitioning into a "social media sport."

• Chris Cody (16:08):
  "They have gotten all the television money. Cuz all of these rich people are competing for... they... become a social media sport... You don't have to be watching late night television right now at the appointed time in order for late night television to be successful because it's traveling through your social media feed."

This perspective underscores the idea that real-time engagement and digital presence are becoming more critical than scheduled TV broadcasts.

4. Counterpoints and Future Concerns

Greg Cody offers a counterpoint, expressing concern that while current media deals are favorable, declining ratings could eventually erode the NBA’s financial standing.

• Greg Cody (15:30):
  "But eventually it's going to hurt that business."

He warns that sustained low ratings might influence future media contracts and the league's overall marketability, despite the current financial assurances.

5. Women's Professional Basketball League Example

Mike Ryan introduces the Women's Professional Basketball League (WPBL) as an example of a league that thrives independently of large fanbases, relying primarily on TV visibility.

• Mike Ryan (18:26):
  "The women's professional basketball league new in Miami here, unrivaled, which is essentially a made for TV league that doesn't worry much about fans at all."

This example serves to illustrate that leagues can sustain themselves financially without relying heavily on in-person attendance, aligning with the NBA's current trajectory.

6. Expert Opinions from Jessica

A guest named Jessica provides a contrasting viewpoint, asserting that despite minor rating dips, the NBA's recent media rights deals are a testament to the league's strong market position.

• Jessica (21:03):
  "The league is fine. People are watching the games. People care. So I think the league is in excellent shape. They had to deal with this."

She argues that the magnitude of the NBA's media deals outweighs the concerns over fleeting rating changes, reinforcing the league's financial health.

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Additional Discussions

1. The 'Hard Network Out' Segment

Early in the episode, the hosts humorously discuss the "Hard Network Out," a forced segment ending due to ESPN's broadcasting constraints. Greg Cody's obliviousness to the show's timing becomes a running joke, adding a light-hearted layer to the conversation.

• Greg Cody (04:05):
  "I think at one point, Dan wore a clock on his head and Greg still didn't know."

2. All-Star Game Ratings

The hosts touch upon the NBA All-Star Game's declining viewership, debating whether it should be a cause for concern given the league's substantial revenue streams.

• Greg Cody (28:06):
  "But the two least watched and lowest rated all star games in NBA history were the one from last weekend and the one before that. Is Adam Silver not supposed to be concerned about that."

• Chris Cody (28:12):
  "It's not that I cannot burp or fart. It's that if I burp or fart, my body has consumed something it should not consume."

(Note: The transcript seems to have a misalignment here; ensure accurate timestamps and context.)

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Conclusion and Takeaways

The episode concludes with the consensus that while NBA ratings have experienced some decline, the league's financial framework—bolstered by lucrative media rights deals—renders immediate concerns about viewership less critical. However, the hosts acknowledge that sustained rating drops could pose challenges in the long term, especially as media consumption continues to evolve towards digital and social platforms.

Key Takeaways:

• Financial Resilience: The NBA's substantial media rights deals provide a financial buffer that mitigates the impact of fluctuating ratings.

• Shift to Digital: The increasing importance of social media and streaming platforms suggests a transformation in how audiences engage with basketball, potentially reducing reliance on traditional TV viewership.

• Long-Term Concerns: Despite current financial strength, there is an acknowledgment that persistent rating declines could affect future media contracts and the league's overall dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Chris Cody (15:13):
  "The guaranteed money that NBA now has, it doesn't matter if you watch or not."

• Greg Cody (15:30):
  "But eventually it's going to hurt that business."

• Jessica (21:03):
  "The league is fine. People are watching the games. People care. So I think the league is in excellent shape."

• Chris Cody (16:08):
  "It's a social media sport now. You don't have to be watching late night television right now at the appointed time in order for late night television to be successful because it's traveling through your social media feed."

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This episode provides a comprehensive exploration of the relationship between NBA ratings and the league's financial health, offering listeners valuable insights into the evolving landscape of sports media consumption.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris Cody]

Thanks.

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[Greg Cody]

We take you back to a better time in the show's history, a time, at least for me, where I was happiest because we were at espn.

[Chris Cody]

You're the old white guy columnist who always castigates the athlete getting older every day for misbehaving and for urinating on sportsmanship. Where. What side are you on?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I want to make two points. Number one is Dan Stu and Greg.

[Stugatz]

Cody on ESPN Radio.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, back in my day, I used to build forts. You know, Fortnite was was nothing you stared at. It's something you built with your hands. Like man 101. It was.

[Chris Cody]

This was the Dan Levatar show on ESPN radio.

[Mike Ryan]

I would Google my name and Coco.

[Stugatz]

Is Dan Stu and Greg Cody on ESPN Radio.

[Chris Cody]

Dan Campbell, Man Campbell, Jimmy Johnson.

[Stugatz]

Otherwise is Dan Stu and Greg Cody on ESPN Radio.

[Chris Cody]

Please explain the Hard Network out.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I've missed so many of them. Apparently. I don't know what a hard network out is for. Some listeners seem to enjoy it. When I miss a hard network out, they all enjoy it, you know, but it doesn't happen intentionally.

[Tony]

Hard network out was born out of necessity. We had to adhere to network clocks with espn, which was Truthfully, a struggle for everybody. So we instituted a sounder that was just unavoidable because the time we had to break was unavoidable at the bottom of the hour. Nobody had a harder time with that concept than Greg.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, boy. Greg is just oblivious to everything that's going in that studio. Dan and I noticed it early on. By the way, I will say this. Greg has been a breath of fresh air for our show. The audience loves him, the staff loves him. I love him. But he has no clue what the hell is happening and what we're doing every single Tuesday that he comes in. And so we noticed it. We thought it'd be funny to try to cut him off at a hard network out. We were still at espn, so we had to be out by a certain time at the end of every hour. And we figured Greg eventually would catch on to the fact that we're asking him questions at the end of every hour. With about four seconds to go on.

[Tony]

The clock, I made the imaging. I took a goal horn that the New York Islanders had in 1996, and then I spliced it together with Poppy.

[Stugatz]

It's Dan, Stu, and Greg Cody on ESPN Radio.

[Tony]

And there you have the imaging for the hard network out.

[Mike Ryan]

Has Greg ever asked you guys, like, why you keep cutting me off?

[Greg Cody]

He still doesn't know?

[Chris Cody]

No. He keeps talking through them. He's taking advantage of an old man.

[Greg Cody]

I think at one point, Dan wore a clock on his head and Greg still didn't know.

[Chris Cody]

That's why he undersells when he says, we noticed that Greg Cody was oblivious. This is us working around the general incompetence of Greg Cody at all times. Doesn't know what time in the show we are, even if I'm wearing a clock that says so on a baseball cap. Eventually it got so bad that we're like, okay, we're just going to make this a joke, and we're going to see how we can trick him into tripping over this finish line. And it's never once been faked. Everyone thinks that some of them are so perfect that we must have maneuvered him into position with him acting with us. Never. It's never faked.

[Billy]

To me, the hard network out is just. It kind of encapsulates my dad on this show in one bit because it's something that the audience has always thought is fake. But it's just my dad not really getting what we're doing around here. And that's why he's one of, I think, the best, even More than Stu Gotze, the best character on our show, because it's not a character. I just feel like it is such a good example of you on this show. Like, you are just. You're yourself. You're not a character. You're not going to learn. Even after the 12th time we've gotten you in six months, you're just going to show up next week and you're going to forget about it again. And it's a beautiful thing.

[Tony]

Never. Dan would wear a hat with a clock counting down. He would be looking straight at Greg with a countdown clock that would go to zero. He would complain that the clock wasn't anywhere that he could see it. And even when we removed all of those excuses, he'll just never change those things. It'd be weird for him to all of a sudden grasp it now, right.

[Mike Ryan]

Now, I know there is a countdown clock even now, but I'm looking at someone I'm talking to.

[Billy]

You have to be able to do.

[Mike Ryan]

Looking over there.

[Billy]

You have to be able to multitask.

[Mike Ryan]

And then the clock. The clock is up there.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Billy]

It's a lot.

[Mike Ryan]

And I'm never. I'm looking at people. I'm looking at eye level. I'm never going like that.

[Billy]

And looking at a clock, you can tell. It's very difficult.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't look to this. I've never worn a watch. I don't look. I don't use my iPhone as a clock. I don't care what time it is.

[Billy]

I'm sure if you.

[Mike Ryan]

The group Chicago said, does anybody really know what time it is? I know, but they really care.

[Greg Cody]

We told you repeatedly to go to the doctor. You ignored us. You finally went to the doctor and the results of your visit to the doctor were what?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. After several tests, they found a tumor in my chest.

[Chris Cody]

Is Dan Stu and Craig?

[Stugatz]

Is Dan Stu and Gregory Corey on ESPN Radio.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't particularly enjoy the hard network.

[Greg Cody]

I asked that question. I left him about 3 seconds. 3 seconds to answer serious question about a visit to the doctor and a tumor.

[Chris Cody]

We can't do better than that comedically. We can't do better than tumor. And then him starting the next thought with and then just a foghorn all of a sudden. That was perfect.

[Greg Cody]

Perfect, yes. Perfect execution.

[Chris Cody]

We knew as soon as that happened that that's as well as that bit of incompetence.

[Greg Cody]

You want like one, one and a half words to come out and then boom.

[Chris Cody]

Yes. One, one and a half. If one of the words is tumor, just a couple of syllables. One of them's tumor. You've got comedic gold.

[Greg Cody]

What makes that great is we are talking. I think it's the only time we've done this about such a sensitive topic.

[Chris Cody]

That's right. We had genuine concern and then immediate laughter in his face.

[Mike Ryan]

Braying laughter about a t a hard network out on me describing the most major surgery I've ever had in my life. That one I had to laugh at because it's just so absurd. And that one told me that if they're going to do a hard network out on me for that, nothing is off limits. You know, it's all about the show first because you know I'm talking about a major big fist sized tumor being.

[Billy]

Removed from my check and benign tumor. Benign for everyone else.

[Mike Ryan]

It was benign. Yes, he's fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chris, were you there for the hard network out the tumor work?

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Billy]

That was a rare. Dan was out. Like we rarely have like show historic moments when Dan's out and that was one of them. Stu Gotts driving the show, walking you right into it. That is just an all timer because that was a scary time for us. Was that pre surgery, was that when you had the tumor still in you? I'm trying to think back.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I think that was after my surgery.

[Billy]

So you had the surgery. So we were feeling better about his health then. But I just remember late in that minute, like late in that segment of like, oh God, Stugatz is starting this topic and it was just like all of our eyes, all of us in the back, we got a combination of excited that oh my God, this is going to be an epic hard network out and a little combination of I hope my dad is fine with this because it's a very sensitive subject.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, well, I, I had to laugh at it first of all because I was feeling euphoric relief because it was major surgery. And you know, a week or two before that, my wife and I are sitting in an oncologist's office finding out test results whether or not the tumor right in the middle of my chest was cancerous or not. I was terrified, you know, and it was benign and the surgery went well. And that was probably my first time on the show after the surgery. So.

[Billy]

Probably would have gone differently. Probably would have gone differently if it wasn't benign. We probably would have spared you the hardened workout.

[Mike Ryan]

I'd like to think so. But with this show you never know.

[Stugatz]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Billy]

I was probably like that kind of thing. Something.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, no, the home run call was that kind of swing. That kind of thing.

[Stugatz]

St. Oh, it's a good call.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you. And plus, it doesn't matter who's hitting it. Like you're not tailoring it to a particular name. You know, all that jazz, you know, you don't got to do that. Oh, that would be a great call. Swing. That kind of thing.

[Stugatz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stuff.

[Tony]

This episode of the Dan Lebatar show with Cigats is presented by Venmo.

[Chris Cody]

I have to admit here publicly that I am a little concerned at the general amount of Greg Cody fuel gasoline that we have pumped into the Greg Cody vehicle today. Because he was just staring at that. Oh, a segment about me. He has never been so engaged for two hours of this show because of how self involved the first two hours of this show have been. We have neglected to mention in a wondrous and wild Greg Cody Thursday that last night, quietly, while many of you were sleeping, the Charlotte Hornets had the single greatest play game that they have had in their history.

[Mike Ryan]

Really?

[Chris Cody]

They beat the Lakers on the road. They beat luka. They beat LeBron. I know. I'm informing you, many, many of you of this.

[Tony]

Basketball is back.

[Greg Cody]

The second half started, huh?

[Chris Cody]

It is. It is the single Biggest moment in the history of Charlotte Hornets basketball. Not because it was a big moment, but because the Charlotte Hornets haven't done anything meaningful. And they won on the road yesterday against LeBron and Luka. Oh, that's not great. That's not great. After all the attention that trade got, all of a sudden you look up, oh, we can't play defense. But we did in this game. And LaMelo Ball just beat us with 100 points at home. Because Luca was 1 for 9 from.

[Greg Cody]

3, 5 of 18 overall.

[Dan LeBatard]

I did watch the game and actually Mark Williams, really good game for the Hornets.

[Greg Cody]

He did, yes.

[Tony]

LeBron dunked on him, though.

[Chris Cody]

That is good analysis. All of it, Everything you guys just said. And Charlotte wins at the end. LeBron loses. That's not good. That's not at home to Charlotte.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Tony]

You know, Luca's still trying to get the wheels greased. Obviously he had the calf injury. Still not 100% right. Five for 18 is tough. He's still trying to get used to a new offense.

[Greg Cody]

Playing with LeBron 14th win. 14th win for Charlotte.

[Billy]

It's not great.

[Tony]

It's not great.

[Dan LeBatard]

Lakers had a seven game home win streak.

[Tony]

They were playing well too.

[Dan LeBatard]

But you know what, who the real winner is? We're talking about regular season NBA basketball games again after the show has been declaring the NBA is dead for the last 10 days. So NBA season back. NBA back. This show watching regular season.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you, Jessica. Thank you for mentioning the part about ratings. Because if you've been listening at all to the Sporting Class where Pablo Torre leads John Skipper and David Sampson to basically give you all of the sports business secrets, like super secret stuff that people generally don't know, you can find on that podcast. And it's one of the reasons that I say David Sampson has gotten so good at the public talking of business soon, since yesterday. We flew in Darren Revel yesterday to have a business off with David Sampson that we're going to have in today's show because David Sampson maintains that he is more famous than Darren Revel and more credible in the business world than Darren Revell. So we're going to pit them against each other here at some point in the last two hours of this show from the Sporting Class podcast. The thing that Skipper keeps saying that I think is somehow being missed throughout the entire country on the business of basketball. When we're having this conversation about rating slipping in basketball, they don't matter. The guaranteed money that NBA now has, it doesn't matter if you watch or not. The business of it doesn't need your eyeballs. You can say the sport is dying, but that's become a social media sport. People are still consuming it. They might not be consuming it at the minute that you want them to and that might hurt the next contract. But what they're getting now, those arenas can be empty. Like they don't. They've got their money. It doesn't matter whether they play, whether load management, whether the All Star game television needs the content. They, despite the ratings decline, have gotten all the television money. Cuz all of these rich people are competing for. I need to televise this whether people are watching it or not. It literally doesn't matter to the business of this whether anyone is watching it when it's televised.

[Greg Cody]

Well, it doesn't matter to the NBA. You're right. It does matter to the people who are paying those bills. I mean, who are trying to monetize.

[Chris Cody]

Correct. But the business of it gets the guarantee. So we spend so much time talking about the ratings and the ratings don't hurt the business in any way. The money's all guaranteed.

[Greg Cody]

But eventually it's going to hurt that business.

[Chris Cody]

I thought, I thought it would. Now weren't the ratings just going down and then, and then the business of it opens up and there are unbelievable amounts of money for the business of basketball.

[Dan LeBatard]

The ratings go down by, you know, 5% or whatever it is from last year. But we still spend the entire week of the super bowl talking about the biggest NBA trade ever.

[Greg Cody]

So I mean, but I'm not talking about the NBA. Well, I am in general. Like I'm talking about the next rights deal which is, I don't know in a long time. I understand that. But eventually what's going on right now and the horrible job that Adam Silver has done is going to impact the bottom line for the NBA.

[Chris Cody]

I understand why you would think you're better at business than Adam Silver. I'm telling you say that. Well, no, but to God, everyone thinks that this was going to be the contract when that happened because the ratings were going down. What happened when? When Amazon and NBC Stuarts the amount of money. You guys see what's happening? I think you see what's happening. You see Netflix has a special on basketball patriotism that has Kevin Durant crying. You have on hbo. We beat the Dream Team. A documentary that's running about all of the college players that beat the Dream Team in a game. It's a good documentary. There's so many good stories in there of just that. Mike Krzyzewski is Claiming that Chuck Daly threw the game by not letting Michael Jordan play. And so it's Christian Laettner that's out there for the dream team against Webber and stuff. And Mike Krzyzewski is denying Chris Webber, Grant Hill, what was a lifetime achievement by saying he threw the game. Chuck Daly through the game and Grant Hill goes to confront him. Coach. Coach K. It's a great documentary. The business of that sport is now with the television partnership. It needs to sell that sport as a social media sport in the new age to get listeners with Mr. Beast and viewers with Mr. Beast. But it's a social media sport now. You don't have to be watching late night television right now at the appointed time in order for late night television to be successful because it's traveling through your social media feed. Basketball is in the new age of what this is and they have all the money in the world to figure out something in eight years that I thought would already arrive here. Because if they were gonna be affected by it, it was gonna be after the bubble, after Kyrie Irving, during load management. And it didn't affect it at all. Stugats, they got monster dollars. Because if it's Bezos competing against Netflix for we need the content. There's a never ending stream of money that makes the customer irrelevant. Like it makes you and me, the media irrelevant. They don't need us, they just go into business together and we just become collateral damage on what the business of it is. Cuz they've already got the guaranteed money. It's been fascinating to listen to John Skipper and Sampson tell fans again and again here, you don't matter. And I don't understand why the media keeps talking about ratings.

[Mike Ryan]

I think part of this conversation is the women's professional basketball league new in Miami here, unrivaled, which is essentially a made for TV league that doesn't worry much about fans at all. They let 850 fans max at every game. They're there for background, they're there as window dressing. They don't need that. League does not need the fans because they have tv.

[Chris Cody]

No league does. No league does. You can play in empty stadiums. They did during the pandemic, like I know you prefer. They prefer the concessions. They prefer to have arenas filled with people. But the televised product is more important than the in person. You've seen this for a decade. It's more fun, easier to watch it at home than it is to brave the parking. Like it's. It's the new age of getting disconnected from your sports team while you think you're more connected to it than you've ever been.

[Greg Cody]

No, you make. I mean, they're all great points. You know, I. I found out about the Laker game last night because on social media I saw LeBron missed two chances to. To tie the game up. And so. And that's all I needed to see. Like, I don't care about the first 197 points. I don't care about Mark Williams. I care about what happened at the end. And what happened at the end is at my disposal whenever I want.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, I do think, like, there's a middle ground between the fans don't matter and the fans don't care, which is, like, I think that, like, if we did have empty arenas, again, like during COVID like, totally empty. No environment, no experience, like, nothing. I think people watching the televised product would probably say that it's not as interesting when there's no one there. So there's like, the fans matter, but I think we're only talking about, like, marginal decreases that in the grand scheme of how important basketball is to like, our just everyday, like, culture, sports culture, like, it's not gonna just disappear because people don't watch the All Star Game.

[Chris Cody]

You say this, though, and I would ask you if the ratings are lower when the fans are in the building than they were during the pandemic because the ratings keep getting lower. And if the whole construct of the business is we need to have the programming. I just need the play. I don't even need the star players to play. I just need to know that at this night I can play my commercials or do whatever it is that I'm trying to get your subscriptions because we've got the games that night, and that's the three hours that we've got. I'd like for you guys to hear John Skipper and David Sampson explain this to you with more expertise than I can offer. But they've been saying this for years, that the fan become the customer becomes less and less relevant whether or not they're actually watching.

[Jessica]

Well, my view is they are ascendant. The deals they just did are much, much more important than whatever the regular season ratings are. We're back to people thinking the ratings are some dramatic indication of the health of the league. The ratings this year for the NBA are up and down. I think overall, other than the Christmas games, they're down a little bit. But so what? I mean, Adam has to address it, but his league couldn't be more healthy. He just signed what was it 76? Triple their previous dollars worth of deals, triple what they got before? If you could ask any owner, the commissioner, anybody associated with the NBA, would you rather have the ratings go up 20% or the media rights go up 300%? They would say, I'll take the 300% increase in media rights and I think the league was worth it. I think the league is fine. Adam has to answer those questions. But the league is fine. People are. Watch the games. People care. So I think the league is in excellent shape. They had to deal with this. I don't think the fact that the ratings are down 3% for one Sunday or up 2% for one Sunday is particularly relevant.

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[Mike Ryan]

I heard that as a woman faking pain. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't.

[Chris Cody]

You know, it was not fake. It was in no way fake.

[Dan LeBatard]

You can spot a woman faking it.

[Chris Cody]

Stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, I can, Jess Expert. I've been married 40 years.

[Stugatz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

By the way, I don't know if you guys have passed, but it is electric. You watch the entire in stadium entertainment experience from your couch. You see the people doing like weird show talent show things at halftime. You see people doing like, finish the lyrics. It's the greatest thing of all time. There's just no commercials. You're just watching people inside MSG or whatever arena doing dumb shit. And it's great. And then there's basketball. I love it. It's worth every penny.

[Chris Cody]

Is it as good as Tony's new segment, don't look Now. Is it as entertaining? Oh, wow. You are ready in that moment to do Don't Look Now.

[Tony]

Are you looking at me before?

[Chris Cody]

We don't do don' now. And I'm not looking at you right now.

[Greg Cody]

I am.

[Chris Cody]

I want to. Stugach would like to be wearing that blindfold in a more private, intimate setting with you, Tony, baby. And only that blindfold. We have creeped well into sexual harassment here with Tony in a way that's not comfortable.

[Greg Cody]

I do declare.

[Billy]

Everything's fine.

[Chris Cody]

Chris Cody whispered to me, thank you for telling us who you were impersonating their skip. He just whispered in my ear that John Skipper was wearing a $20,000 turtleneck.

[Billy]

At least nothing looked nice.

[Greg Cody]

Beautiful cashmere.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, what do you guys do with the information? Just. Do you think the audience Knows feels based on the perception of that league and how it is it's covered and being reported and everyone's fixing the league. Do you think that the average person listening to this understands that for all the hand wringing about the NBA being too woke and being in ratings decline, that the important fact that John Skipper just gave there was that the TV rights during a time of great consternation tripled. Tripled. We're talking about a league as if it doesn't have value. When the TV rights during a difficult time tripled.

[Greg Cody]

It has value from a business standpoint, Dan, because there are multiple bidders who want to get into this game. That I understand. It doesn' mean the products any better. I care about the product. The NBA is not something that I look forward to like I used to. It's just. It's not okay.

[Chris Cody]

There are a lot of people doing that one and I understand why a lot of people are doing that one. And there are a lot of reasons for that that include there's so much sports going on right now that you're only going to give your attention to some of the places because you can't put it anywhere. There are a thousand reasons for why all that is. So about the NBA, they do have a perception problem. There are too many people talking about what a bad league it is. And it includes the people who are Charles Barkley and Steph Smith and all the people who are voices for these partnerships who have turned on the sport. Draymond Green in the middle of it telling you that it's boring. Like, I'm not saying that people aren't verbalizing that this is a problem. But when your business has a problem, that is people talking and your business has the gain of triple the TV rights, you're just covering it. It's Chris Cody's theory of does it matter if Zion Williams, Zion Williamson's shoe explodes? It's just attention. It doesn't matter how you get the attention. Basketball is getting the attention, even if it's bad attention. But.

[Mike Ryan]

But the two least watched and lowest rated all star games in NBA history were the one from last weekend and the one before that. Is Adam Silver not supposed to be concerned about that.

[Chris Cody]

Just doesn't matter is what I'm saying.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so.

[Greg Cody]

So Adam Silver, like he got triple.

[Chris Cody]

He can be concerned about it and then he can go and drink, you know, a very nice wine with all of the money he gets from the owners because he's running their business very well with great concern. He can the most expensive wine you've ever seen in your life.

[Dan LeBatard]

I just find, like, overreacting about the All Star Game to be just like, why are we doing that? We do it every year. And like, it just doesn't matter. Like, I don't understand why the show did this for the.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, but no, but see, this is. This is something.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because Mike doesn't watch the NBA anymore. I don't know.

[Chris Cody]

It's not. He's not the only one doing it, though. This is the language around that entire league right now. Like, he's not the only one doing it as content. It was the easiest thing in the world over the last week to both fix basketball and fix the All Star Game. It's the laziest possible thing, and everybody was doing it.

[Greg Cody]

It doesn't matter. What Dan is saying is, it doesn't matter that I've stopped watching or Mike stopped watching. They got their money and it's guaranteed.

[Chris Cody]

Well, and. And beyond that, let's play this.

[Greg Cody]

We have nine years to figure it out.

[Chris Cody]

Let's.

[Dan LeBatard]

If the Heat were good this year, we'd be talking about how it's the greatest league in the whole world.

[Chris Cody]

Well, perhaps, but we also have the added element of a former Heat player in Tim Hardaway doing one of the things that we love about the league, which is just call Jimmy Butler a crybaby. And we' content out of it for days.

[Tim Hardaway]

I didn't agree with what he was doing. You under contract.

[Billy]

You.

[Tim Hardaway]

You a baby. You know, you're a crybaby because they said no to you. We used to get said no to us all the time, and we used to know how to take it. It is what it is. It's a question. You get a yes or no. You might not like the question, but you can't deviate and mess up the team. All right? They said no. We want to see you play more games. We don't want to be in a play in games. If you saw if he played more games, he would have never been in the playing games both years. Even though they went to the championship, they never would have been in the play in games. That takes a lot out of you. They want to say, look, we. We want a week off. We want a week to prepare, and we need that week because we play hard each and every game, and we need to rest. All right? So he wasn't willing to do that. He was willing and I. And I fought them for letting him get away with a bunch of stuff, too. You know, you got nipping in the bud when he went After Spoelstra told Spoelstra he'd kick his butt at a timeout and they had to take another time out because you donis Haslam was circling him around. You know, that should have been like, yo, you getting three to five games. You don't talk to the coach like that. You don't disrespect the coach like that.

[Chris Cody]

Tony, as a new father, can you please answer this question and put it on the poll Juju at lebatard show. Is crybaby redundant?

[Tony]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

What about poop baby?

[Tony]

Also redundant.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think so. I don't think crybaby is redundant. There's plenty of quiet babies. You have such a great baby. I've never heard him cry.

[Tony]

You know, you haven't spent the whole night with him.

[Chris Cody]

That's why Tim Hardaway just changed it from he's a baby to crybaby. And I thought those were the same thing. I thought those were the same insult. Is crybaby worse than baby? Calling him a baby? It is.

[Greg Cody]

I think so, yeah.

[Tony]

Act of crying, kind of.

[Mike Ryan]

Crybaby's a bad baby.

[Greg Cody]

Yes. So.

[Chris Cody]

But don't you think when he calls him a baby the first time that he wasn't calling him a good baby?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Greg Cody]

Crybaby is not crybaby really hammers at.

[Dan LeBatard]

Home, you know, Boss baby or baby driver.

[Tony]

Baby Lando.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that's. That's difficult. Tim Hardaway was right, by the way. I mean it. He sounded like an old player criticizing a young player about.

[Chris Cody]

We don't have to do the Butler conversation again. I just wanted to do crybaby. I just. That's all he wants to do here.

[Mike Ryan]

Baby is necessary.

[Chris Cody]

But what is the difference between a baby and a crybaby? I thought a baby is also capable, like. So if the original baby is crying, then it becomes a crying.

[Greg Cody]

Well, not all babies cry.

[Chris Cody]

He's saying he's a whimpering baby. He's already saying which is the worst kind of baby. When he calls Jimmy Butler a baby, he's saying he's soft, he whimpers, he's weak. That's the insult. He cries.

[Billy]

That's what we're asking here is what does it mean when you call me just a baby? We all know if you call me a crybaby, I'm crying. What does it mean if you just call me a baby?

[Greg Cody]

You're just acting like an infant without the cry.

[Billy]

With Dan, though, if. If you call me a baby, I'm taking it as a crybaby.

[Tony]

As a new Father. I think what Timmy should have said was, you're a colicky baby, cuz that's the issue. The colicky baby is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Calls me that all the time.

[Greg Cody]

Really.

[Tony]

Okay, well, now you know. Now you know what? Uncontrollable crying for six hours. I give you the. It doesn't work. I give you your mom. It doesn't work. I give you legend.

[Chris Cody]

Doesn't work.

[Tony]

I put you on. It doesn't work. I put you in the swing. It doesn't work. You keep crying. You keep crying. That's all you do is cry.

[Stugatz]

How's.

[Billy]

How's your burp game game? My burp game was strong. I could burp the out of that baby.

[Tony]

It's been good. But they. Now they have a new thing where you got to put them on the knee and then you got to put like lean her over and then kind of do that one. But she's around like a bronco, and I can't get her. Her mom pissed because I'm doing it wrong. What do you want me to do?

[Billy]

Is mom over there? She's trying to do it. It's like, give her. Give her to me. She'll burp. Come here.

[Tony]

Burping the. Out of a baby sounds like an issue.

[Chris Cody]

Sounds wrong. Yes. Yeah, it sounds like. Put it on the pole, please. At Levitard show. Are you doing it wrong? If you're burping the shit out of.

[Greg Cody]

A baby sounds like you're hurting the baby.

[Chris Cody]

Yes, it's. Well, it sounds like you're burping it so much to acquire the shit that you are. You are.

[Tony]

Sometimes that's a good thing, Dan, because sometimes those babies, they're pushing, pushing, pushing. They got liquidy poop. They're pushing hard. It's not like, you know, they got something big in there. All of a sudden it comes out and finally relax.

[Greg Cody]

That's what diapers are for.

[Tony]

Exactly.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

When I. When I heard the question, how was your burp game? It. I'm gonna. I'm not gonna reveal my sources on this because this is journalism around here. But. But before the show started, in an intimate setting with me and Stu Gotz. Stu Gotz burped very loudly in front of a fellow employee and then said, I'm sorry in a way that was totally insincere.

[Billy]

Shockingly apologized.

[Chris Cody]

Now.

[Tony]

Sorry about walking away.

[Chris Cody]

Just belched and it stung like bacon. Like it was just. It was foul.

[Greg Cody]

I had a piece of bacon that was stuck to another piece of bacon.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, if you're gonna belch at me. Make it a bacon belch.

[Chris Cody]

But the thing that I was shocked by is that I was told that we have a better, more public Belcher than Stugatz in our company today. And I don't think that people know that that is Jessica, I believe. I'm not going to reveal. I'm not going to reveal any sources, any betrayals, anything of the kind, but I have been told that our most prodigious Belcher is Jessica. And I've never seen that or heard it or smelled it.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, you guys sit by me every day. I don't burp. Right.

[Tony]

Never heard you burp on. No, no, never have.

[Dan LeBatard]

Exactly. It's always Roy, actually.

[Tony]

What?

[Dan LeBatard]

When Roy's not here, it's Jeremy.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, Jess. I was sitting right here with Dan. I heard from the same source, so I'll say it.

[Billy]

She burps.

[Chris Cody]

What? You're brave, Chris. Chris, that was an act of bravery with your. With your American.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not ashamed of it. I burp constantly.

[Tony]

Yes, she does.

[Chris Cody]

She absolutely does.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't hold back. All right, so what?

[Chris Cody]

Okay, Sorry.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not gonna give up garlic. So I stopped burping. Dan Levitar. It's my freedom of burp back here.

[Billy]

She generally burp.

[Dan LeBatard]

I can burp.

[Billy]

She generally says, excuse me.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tony said it. Listen to Tony.

[Chris Cody]

You're right, Tony.

[Tony]

Thank you.

[Chris Cody]

You're right. Her body, her choice. You're. You're correct.

[Tony]

Do you burp?

[Greg Cody]

He doesn't do anything. He has no release.

[Billy]

That air has got to go somewhere.

[Tony]

Somewhere, buddy.

[Chris Cody]

Again, you guys are misinforming the public. It's not that I cannot burp or fart. It's that if I burp or fart, my body has consumed something it should not consume. I am not a repressed orb of farts that cannot escape. That's the farts that cannot. Soy un peo travado. No soy bell. Soybean orguyoso. Stop misrepresenting me. I'm a sleep farter. I was just informed of that the other day, to my mortification. And it's after I've eaten in restaurants where they've lied to me about the ingredients, because I'm like, no dairy, no gluten. I need vegan cheese. I need garlic and no paprika. And I need to make sure there's no turmeric. Yes. Just pecans and occasionally some macadamia nuts.

[Greg Cody]

Have the conversation go. When your wife revealed to you that you're asleep.

[Chris Cody]

Embarrassing. It was embarrassing. She was I wasn't even know.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm like, did she have it on tape? Like, audio evidence? Because. Because my wife did that to me when I was in a snoring thing. She took audio of me snoring. It's pretty bad to listen to.

[Billy]

Do you ever record her?

[Mike Ryan]

I have not, but I should. She snored like a lumberjack, that one. Wow. I mean, let's not get started on that.

[Billy]

My wife has started just leaving the room. I'll wake up in the middle of the night. My wife's gone. She's in the guest room because of my snoring. Yeah, probably.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're farting, too.

[Billy]

Not a great fart feeling.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know why I.

[Billy]

My love, where are you? Oh, the bed's empty.

[Greg Cody]

She left me.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's the best feeling, by the way.

[Billy]

Feel the anger. I can feel. I can feel the resentment. Even though she's not there, I'm like, yep. I still feel the resentment, though.

[Dan LeBatard]

Waking up and there's no one next to you. You can stretch out. Underrated feeling. The reason I burp is because I eat too fast, and I know it's my problem and I can't control it. I just. When I see food, I want to eat it really quickly, and then I burp for, like, 10 minutes, and then I stop burping.

[Chris Cody]

I am sorry if I publicly outed you with sources in journal.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, everyone knows this about me. If you've ever met me, you know I burp. Everyone in the family knows that. My grandma actually burps the worst, and it sort of has been passed down through the generation.

[Chris Cody]

Still. She still is a prodigious burper in her 80s.

[Dan LeBatard]

Prodigious is an understatement.

[Chris Cody]

So you. It's an heirloom passed down in the family.

[Dan LeBatard]

Exactly. Are you able to think she's passed down.

[Mike Ryan]

Are you able to manufacture a burp? Like, can you burp on cue?

[Dan LeBatard]

Not a good one.

[Chris Cody]

No.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, what's an example of your Burke? Is it. Is it a dainty, quiet nerve, or is it, like. Really, guys?

[Billy]

It's aggressive, powerful.

[Tony]

I. I'd say belch a belch.

[Chris Cody]

Let's do. Don't look now. I don't. I'm. I don't know why Tony took his blindfold off. I am not looking at.

[Tony]

We weren't talking about. Don't look now. Now we're talking about. Don't look now. I have my blindfold.

[Chris Cody]

All right, let's. Do we have music? Do we have imaging? What are we doing with this? It's Time for a new game. Don't look now.

[Tony]

It's presented by smear, the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. All right, guys, just like we did last week. Nobody is supposed to look. Greg, stop looking. Dan already knows not to look. He should not be looking. Stu, you can look around, but don't look too much, okay?

[Greg Cody]

I can't stop looking.

[Tony]

All right, here's the thing. Don't look now. I don't know if you saw this. I. I was not looking, but I saw Aiden Hutchinson running full speed. That's a good thing. He broke his tip, broke his leg. All of a sudden he's back, he's running, running, ready to get locked in for next year. That's right. For a hopeful super bowl run for the Detroit Lions. But I'm looking at it here. Aiden Hutchinson says if you pair me and Myles Garrett, that could be deadly. Don't look now, but the Lions getting another edge rusher. Aiden Hutchinson on one side, Miles Garrett on the other side. Dan, is that deadly?

[Chris Cody]

I mean, good God.

[Greg Cody]

It's a different game. Different game.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not looking right now, but I would ask you, and I would assume. I haven't seen the reporting on this, this. I would simply assume that that's going to cost three or four first round picks, is it? Not like that's not. You're not going to get that for two firsts, are you?

[Dan LeBatard]

They don't want to get rid of them at all. So who knows?

[Chris Cody]

But what would that cost? Like if I give you. Right.

[Greg Cody]

I would imagine three.

[Chris Cody]

If I give you Miles Garrett pass rusher, am I not bringing back more than I am for anybody but a quarterback?

[Tony]

Yeah, but if you're looking, they'll probably give you the fourth one. So you got to not look. Get three. Or if you look, they'll give you four.

[Chris Cody]

Greg Cody, do you have any expert opinions on this? As a football expert?

[Mike Ryan]

I think you could get him for two first round picks and a starting caliber player. Keep in mind he's almost 30 years old. I mean he's. He's still great, but he's not in his prime. Getting better. Great. I mean, he's. He's going to plateau. I. I don't.

[Chris Cody]

What age does that happen? Like what. What would remain? Can you guys answer for me?

[Greg Cody]

31, 32.

[Chris Cody]

I looked, I looked. I'm sorry, you can't look.

[Billy]

I'm imagining the Lions fans, you using the Luca deal as negotiating. Like, look what they. They could. They got Luca for this. I Mean, we could. Three first rounds. You're crazy. They got this for Luca. They only did one first round pick.

[Mike Ryan]

He won't get three first round picks. Mark my words.

[Chris Cody]

Why are we marking that?

[Mike Ryan]

Because you know, they're out there. You mark them.

[Greg Cody]

You see?

[Chris Cody]

Why are you wearing sunglasses right now?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't want to look. I don't want to look.

[Billy]

I'm gonna try to mark these words without looking.

[Mike Ryan]

I said don't look now. I'm not looking.

[Chris Cody]

You can still look with sunglasses, though. You're looking right at him.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't see you right now. These are. These are.

[Chris Cody]

Your eyes are wide open. I see that. Your eyes are wide open.

[Mike Ryan]

Jet black.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

My wife says these are women's sunglasses. I have no idea if they are or not, but I can't see anything. It's pitch black.

[Greg Cody]

He's 29.

[Chris Cody]

I don't believe that he has fallen out of his prime. But what age is the prime? 26?

[Mike Ryan]

27 position? Probably. Yeah, probably 27. 8.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's passed.

[Greg Cody]

He's past his prize.

[Chris Cody]

So you have him. You think he's. He's going to only get worse from here is what you're saying.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I'm saying that I. If he. If he attracts three first round draft picks, I'll. I'll put that bowling ball right up my ass.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Tony]

Don't look now. Don't look now, but that bowling ball is. Says if the Lions get.

[Chris Cody]

He stopped trying. He has. He has.

[Greg Cody]

He had a great start.

[Chris Cody]

He has stopped caring that he's on the air. He. He has stopped caring that this is televised on Peacock and Max. And he's an adult show.

[Dan LeBatard]

His body is choice.

[Billy]

I've never wanted that trade to happen more.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, we're going to televise that. We're. Now. Now he's on the record. He has publicly stated that if miles Garrett gets 33, clip that so that we have it. So he has to pay that Venmo fine of surgically having that 16 pound purple bowling ball shoved up his ass.

[Mike Ryan]

I misspoke. I meant a cue ball.

[Greg Cody]

Oh. Still, big difference.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. I mean, still.

[Billy]

But that's a walk in the park.

[Mike Ryan]

Exactly.

[Greg Cody]

Compared to that.

[Mike Ryan]

Really.

[Tony]

All right, everybody. Don't look down.

[Greg Cody]

He had 14 sacks last year.

[Tony]

I got another one. Let me see if I can find it here.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Tony]

Okay. Don't look now, but the Minnesota vikings have until March 4 to franchise tag Sam Darnold. What are we?

[Mike Ryan]

Tick tock?

[Tony]

Played. Played. Well, you got J.J. mcCarthy there. You have something else. Don't look now a second. Don't look now. Dan Levitar. Don't look. Could we see Aaron Rodgers following the Brett Favre formula of Green Bay, New York all of a sudden ending up in Minnesota?

[Chris Cody]

You need to look at the clothes clock. We're eight seconds over and two questions too many into don't look up.

[Stugatz]

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