Hour 1: EAT S***, PITT! (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: EAT S*, PITT! (feat. Lucy Rohden)**
Date: September 16, 2025

Episode Overview

Live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Lucy Rohden, and the rest of the crew deliver a raucous, irreverent look at the world of sports, centering in this hour on the legendary animosity between West Virginia and Pitt around college football's "Backyard Brawl." Lucy shares on-the-ground tales from Morgantown's wild tailgatest, pepperoni rolls, and evaluations of CFB rivalries and teams. The second half shifts to a nuanced, spirited debate on Tom Brady’s highly visible, highly conflicted role as both a Raiders part-owner and NFL broadcaster, and what that means for journalism, optics, and the changing sports media landscape.

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Section 1: College Football, Tailgating, and "Eat S***, Pitt!"

(00:00–18:56)

The West Virginia–Pitt Rivalry

• Stugotz opens with undiluted hatred for Pitt:
  "There's not a scale that can quantify my hate for Pittsburgh and their college." (01:38)
• Lucy Rohden reports live from West Virginia, marveling at the epic tailgating atmosphere:
  • "No one tailgates quite like West Virginia... It's up there with LSU. They do it right in front of the hospital so it's easy access because that's how hard they go." (01:57)
  • "What I've learned today: they really hate Pitt. A lot. On a scale of one to ten? It's a thousand, bro." (02:32)
• Group riffing on Pitt:
  • "They're not even Philadelphia. They need to eat..." (02:50, Dan)
  • "Eat pants." (02:53, Lucy)
  • "Eat Pitt." (02:54, Dan)

Traditions, Food, and Fan Culture

• Lucy discovers the pepperoni roll:
  "It’s like a reverse pizza almost, but it's really good... coal miners’ wives made them for lunch." (03:45)
• Backyard Brawl described:
  • "The best experience that you will ever have... When Anakin became Darth Vader, it's basically that battle. But worse." (04:00, Lucy)
  • "Those who can read versus those who can't." (04:16, Lucy, laughing)
• Burning couches after games—iconic Morgantown tradition:
  • “Hopefully, if we win, we'll burn... a couch. If we don't win... we'll still burn a couch.” (05:05, Dan & Lucy)

Notable Quote

• "Eat S*, Pitt!"** — Chanted, riffed, awarded to fans, and ultimately a point of group pride throughout the segment; Lucy awards the "Nuttiest Fan" (05:34) and closes her segment with, "Eat pit. Eat, eat, eat." (06:18)

Timestamps for Key Moments

• 01:38–02:34: Anti-Pitt ramp-up and bleeped expletives
• 03:23–03:48: Explaining the pepperoni roll and food culture
• 05:05–05:19: Lucy/Le Batard exchange on burning couches
• 06:18: Lucy and Stugotz close first arc with tailgate awards and riotous Pitt hate

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Section 2: Joey Chestnut, Tailgate Food, and Regional Fan Bases

(06:18–09:09)

• Joey Chestnut’s latest food challenge:
  Chestnut eats 275 nuggets in a nine-inning baseball game. Le Batard and crew debate if they could match that.
  • "I'll miss him when he's gone." (07:23, Billy)
• Tailgating cultures compared:
  Lucy explains West Virginia and Baton Rouge tailgates are so regionally unique:
  • “Those people are crazy... their food is so unique to their region...they are literally batshit crazy. The most insane people I've ever met in my life.” (07:59, Lucy)

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Section 3: Rapid-Fire CFB Thoughts—Clemson, Brian Kelly, Notre Dame, Miami

(09:09–18:56)

Team Snapshots

• Clemson’s woes:
  "They're pretty much the same football team as Iowa right now, which is not something you want to be... not a good football team." (09:32, Lucy)
• Brian Kelly’s outburst at media:
  • “I kind of thought it was a nothing burger…Brian Kelly, not a nice guy.” (10:31, Lucy)
  • [Kelly audio dramatized by Dan:] "What do you want me to tell you? ... We played the game to win the game." (11:14)
• Texas A&M, Notre Dame, quality losses, and the playoff:
  • "Notre Dame is Notre Dame. ... The second that playoff expanded to 12 teams, basically had an automatic bid if Notre Dame wins out... I don't know how a 10 and 2 Notre Dame team doesn't get in, especially when we're talking about the College Football Playoff committee and what is their favorite thing in the world? Quality losses. And Notre Dame has two of them." (14:31, Lucy)

Notable Quotes

• “I want Jess to be happy more than anything else in the world.” (15:38, Lucy, about Notre Dame)
• "There has not been a bigger rigged election in the last 10 years than getting Notre Dame into the College Football League." (15:21, Stugotz)

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Section 4: Miami, Top Teams, and Talent

(15:41–18:56)

• Miami/Florida breakdown:
  • "Miami is insanely talented... I think they're a very, very good [team]...I just don't see Florida competing or winning in that game at all." (15:52, Lucy)
• Top three most talented CFB teams Lucy's seen:
  • "Miami... Ohio State, ridiculously talented... and Oregon, probably a lock on this list for the rest of time." (17:04, Lucy)
• Oregon skepticism but Penn State matchup looms:
  "In two weeks they play Penn State...that will be...the big litmus test for college football." (17:45–17:55, Lucy)

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Section 5: Tom Brady—NFL Owner/Broadcaster Crisis

(22:39–33:36)

The Brady Conundrum

• Stugotz sets up the controversy over Brady as both Fox broadcaster and Raiders part-owner:
  • "He's wearing a headset... The Raiders clearly not helped by whatever he's giving them in the headset... and now he's in production meetings when no one who's got ownership is allowed... What do you make of all of this?" (22:39)
• Dan, Greg, and Billy decry the optics and conflict of interest:
  • "What a bad look for the NFL." (23:51, Dan)
  • "He’s super involved with the Raiders... it does seem weird to me now." (24:15, Greg Cody)
  • "If I'm the coach, I'm not telling [Brady] anything." (24:42, Greg Cody)
  • "He's not a journalist; he's a color commentary person. And he is by leaps and bounds being paid more to do that job, by what? Double, triple..." (24:57, Stugotz)

Debate: Is it Really a Problem?

• Stugotz (devil’s advocate):
  • "What is the real harm? These production meetings are fairly useless..." (27:28)
  • "Reality is reality. So I'm asking you guys, what's the real harm of Tom Brady wearing a headset in a game that wasn't interesting last night?" (28:03)
• Zaslo points out the informational/competitive edge possible with inside access:
  • "If you know how teams feel about individual players, that can also give you insight into who might be let go as a free agent." (28:09, Zaslo)

Notable Moments & Quotes

• "It's a bad look and I, you know... People might not care about the optics. They should." (32:26, Dan)
• "I think the NFL has sold its soul for Tom Brady." (31:44, Dan)
• "[Brady is getting] Messi treatment. Like, every rule just kind of gets bent to make sure that he's fine." (31:56, Dan)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 22:39–24:15: Brady's role and NFL context set up
• 27:28–29:33: "What’s the real harm?" debate
• 31:44–32:09: "NFL sold its soul"/Messi treatment reflections

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Section 6: Useless Sound Montage, Musical Clavicles, and Miami Memories

(39:32–44:20)

• **The show's traditional "Useless Sound Montage" delivers rapid-fire, classic football coach clichés, with the group riffing ("I'm gonna have a couple shoddies tonight" stands out)." (39:53–41:37)
• Dan narrates a family story involving Greg Cody, broken clavicles ("Clavicle sounds like a musical instrument"), and a string of dead cats, as the segment swerves into surreal, vintage Le Batard territory. (43:00–44:14)

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Best Quotes & Most Memorable Moments

• "Those people are crazy. And I mean it in the nicest way possible. They are literally insane." (07:59, Lucy Rohden on West Virginia tailgating)
• "When Anakin became Darth Vader, it's basically that battle. But worse." (04:00, Lucy, explaining the 'Backyard Brawl')
• "There has not been a bigger rigged election in the last 10 years than getting Notre Dame into the College Football League." (15:21, Stugotz)
• "It's a bad look and I, you know... People might not care about the optics. They should." (32:26, Dan)
• "I think the NFL has sold its soul for Tom Brady." (31:44, Dan)
• "Clavicle sounds like a musical instrument." (43:01, Dan)
• "Eat S***, Pitt!" (Throughout, various speakers and timestamps)

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Takeaways

• This episode gleefully leans into the absurdity and passion of college football rivalries, particularly the West Virginia–Pitt blood feud, while also showcasing Lucy Rohden's sharp on-the-ground reporting and sense of humor.
• The group’s debate on Tom Brady’s dual role illustrates deeper ambiguities facing sports media, mixing sharp critique ("bad look") with industry pragmatism ("Fox just wants his name").
• Useless Sound Montage, odd family tales, and sidetracks all combine for signature show flavor—irreverent, insightful, and unpredictable.

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For the Uninitiated

Whether you care about college football, sports media, or just enjoy ridiculous stories about pepperoni rolls, burning couches, broken clavicles, or "Eat S***, Pitt!" chants, this hour does what the Le Batard Show does best: mix passionate argument, wild humor, regional flavor, and critique of the sports ecosystem, all in the show's uniquely "nutty" tone.

Transcript

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[Stugats]

My hate for Pittsburgh and their college.

[Lucy]

Can you say anything nice about Pitt or no?

[Stugats]

You nicely suck, you Pitt. God bless America. God bless you USA baby.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Lucy]

We are about to use the bleep button more than we ever have in Lebbetard show history. Hello Dan, it's me, Lucy. And you know this because of the expense report you have sent me to many college football games over the last few years. And I will tell you, no one tailgates quite like West Virginia. This might be the best tailgating we've ever seen. I am not being dramatic. It's up there with lsu. They do it right in front of the hospital so it's easy access because that's how hard they go here at Western Virginia. And let me tell you something, Dan, what I've learned today. They really hate Pitt. A lot. A lot. How much do you hate Pitt on.

[Dan Le Batard]

A scale of one to ten? It's a thousand, bro.

[Stugats]

I don't.

[Greg Cody]

We don't mess with Pitt around here. Kenny Pickett's a bum.

[Dan Le Batard]

We are wvu, baby. Come on.

[Stugats]

They're in a gargburn.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Elbow of Pennsylvania.

[Lucy]

The elbow of Pennsylvania. They're in the very bottom corner of Pennsylvania.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're not even Philadelphia. They need to eat.

[Lucy]

Eat pants.

[Dan Le Batard]

Eat pit.

[Lucy]

What have people been saying to you?

[Dan Le Batard]

Eat, Pitt.

[Lucy]

Eat. You guys worried about the offense?

[Stugats]

Not at all. If they perform as well as we think they will, we'll blow their asses out of the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Out of the stadium. We're gonna send Pittsburgh straight back to Philadelphia. Those Pennsylvanian.

[Stugats]

We can go 2 and 12.

[Greg Cody]

As long as we beat Pitt. That's all that matters.

[Lucy]

If they put. What position would you play? Running back. I'd be a tight end. She'd be a linebacker. We were just given a West Virginia delicacy, the pepperoni roll. Can you explain to me what this is? Basically yeast bread with pepperoni and cheese inside. But the original reason for them is the coal miners. Wives will bake them in the morning.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wrap them up, and put them in their pocket.

[Lucy]

That was the lunch. That's delicious. It's like a reverse pizza almost, but it's really good. I will say West Virginia' so far has had the most unique food out of everywhere we've gone. Tied with Baton Rouge. How would you guys describe the Backyard Brawl to people who aren't familiar with this rivalry? The best experience that you will ever have in your whole entire life. Immaculate. When Anakin became Darth Vader, it's basically that battle. But worse. Who are you in this situation? The lava. Those who can read versus those who can't. What's the worst part of Pitt?

[Dan Le Batard]

Their colors.

[Lucy]

They're kind of like your colors, though, a little bit. The royal blue. We had this argument in our class. They are yellow and we are old gold. Very, very stink distinction. What class was this? Med school class, actually. How do we feel about the return of rich Rod?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's insane. We're good.

[Lucy]

You're good?

[Dan Le Batard]

We're good.

[Lucy]

Yeah. No, last week was good.

[Dan Le Batard]

If you watched last week, you got a couple questions. You got a couple questions? 100 yards of offense at halftime's not gonna cut it. The Mountaineer was really nice.

[Lucy]

He was mean to me when I met him yesterday. What is going on with your shirt here? What is this West Virginia tradition?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, hopefully, if we win, we'll burn.

[Lucy]

A couch, and if we don't win.

[Dan Le Batard]

We'Ll still burn a couch.

[Lucy]

Is it illegal?

[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe a little.

[Lucy]

Do you want to do a fit check for me right now?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

You're an inspiration, you know, for the fits.

[Lucy]

Fashion was nothing before me. Are you a fan of the show?

[Dan Le Batard]

Absolutely. Yeah, I Spotted you. As I was walking down there, I was like, holy, there's Lacey. Look at that.

[Lucy]

Do you want to say anything to the show?

[Dan Le Batard]

Huh? Oh, Dan. Guys, I love you. Mike Ryan. Keep covering nascar too. Big fan of that.

[Lucy]

I want to tell you that you have been the best fan we've met all day.

[Dan Le Batard]

No way.

[Lucy]

So we want to award you the Hampton Farm's nuttiest fan.

[Stugats]

Y' all see what we got? I'm the nuttiest fan. Nutty Y' all is nutties me. Thank you so much. Hamptons, Hamptons, Hamptons Farms.

[Lucy]

Today's trip was brought to you by Hampton Farms. Get nutty with Hampton Farms, the official snack nut of the tailgate. Almost heaven, West Virginia. Brought to you by the Game Time app. Download the Game Time app and use code Lucy for $20 off your first order term supply. Dan. And there's just one thing left to say. Eat pit. Eat, eat, eat.

[Stugats]

Put it on the poll. Juju. Does anyone tailgate like West Virginia? She said Baton Rouge. Unusual food. I think Baton Rouge sometimes does alligator during the tailgate. Billy, you're fascinated by the way that Joey Chestnut is eating nuggets these days, correct?

[Billy]

I'm fascinated. He's not dead, if I'm going to be honest with you, with the way that he eats. So he was challenged recently to eat 99 nuggets in nine innings at a baseball game. Would anyone care to guess how many nuggets he was able to down in a nine inning baseball game?

[Greg Cody]

I mean, nine inning game we're talking about. They want him to eat 11 an inning.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. 150.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, could definitely do that.

[Dan Le Batard]

He ate 150. I'll say. How big were the nuggets?

[Billy]

That's nugget size.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would say four.

[Billy]

Four nuggets. Okay, Lucy, any guesses?

[Lucy]

Is the total on the screen right now? I can see it. Oh, then I'm going to guess 275.

[Billy]

275. Great work, everyone.

[Stugats]

275 nuggets. What are your thoughts there, Billy? Are you tired of Joey Chestnut? Will you never tire of Joey Chestnut?

[Billy]

I'll miss him when he's gone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whoa. I feel like, is it crazy to think I, I, I'm gonna say this on the front end. I think I could do it, but I probably could. 99 Nuggets in 9 innings doesn't seem crazy.

[Greg Cody]

It doesn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

If I'm breaking that down, that's like five or six. It's 11 inning.

[Billy]

It's 11.

[Dan Le Batard]

So five and a half per. So five and a half per half.

[Billy]

Inning, you know, they don't go away, though, unless you're going to the bathroom. Like, every half inning, they're. They're still accumulating inside of you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, no, I got you.

[Stugats]

That's going to get hard at the end. Yes. Lucy, why is West Virginia and Baton Rouge. Why are they equal when it comes to weird tailgating?

[Lucy]

Those people are crazy. And I mean it in the nicest way possible. They're literally insane. That was a tailgate that we actually saw very little of, because it was so insane that we were, like, swarmed by people everywhere we went who just wanted to talk about how much they hated Pitt. What I like about both LSU and West Virginia is there are so many parts of, like, the campus and, like, the food they serve that is so unique to their region, where, like, obviously, when you go to lsu, you get a lot of, like, Cajun food, and it's really, really good. But when we were in West Virginia, we got a lot of people who were like, oh, yeah, this fish. We went and caught it, like, in the lake a few days ago. Okay, here's these pepperoni rolls. Like, it's a very unique to its location type of deal. And it was so much fun. And they are literally batshit crazy. They are the most insane people I've ever met in my life.

[Greg Cody]

Dan, you know about that backyard brawl?

[Stugats]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, I was asking.

[Stugats]

That's it. That was the only question that you had is not even for Lucy. It's just for main door.

[Greg Cody]

Well, Lucy clearly knows. She was there.

[Stugats]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

Fine, I'll ask her. I don't want to, like, be, you know, Leave her out. Lucy, you know about that backyard brawl?

[Lucy]

I do know about the backyard brawl, yes.

[Stugats]

What else was interesting or fun from your travels? And where are you headed this week?

[Lucy]

We're off this week. Guess who deserved a little break.

[Dan Le Batard]

Me.

[Lucy]

So see you guys in two weeks. What I loved about West Virginia that I think that most people didn't know is they have a cute little, like, train system that takes you around Morgantown. It's these little tiny, like, train cars called the prt. It's really cool.

[Stugats]

How did you feel about Clemson losing to Georgia Tech? The dabo experience.

[Greg Cody]

They might stink.

[Stugats]

It's about over. Yes.

[Lucy]

Their offense is really bad. I was looking up some stats this morning. They're pretty comparable to Iowa. Like, they're pretty much the same football team right now, which is not something you want to be. Yeah, I think they're not a good football team. At all. There are some concerns with the defense, although I think for the most part it's fine. But, like, offensively, Club Nick has not been good. They have no run game. It is just, like, it's a pretty bad football team and it's the acc. So, like, there's full possibility they could do exactly what they did last year and just win in a pretty easy conference and then make it to the playoff and sneak their way in through the conference championship game. But right now, Clemson is not a good football team. But if I have any takeaway from that game, it's that Hanks King is probably the coolest person alive. I'm obsessed with him. I want them to take care of him because he might die if he keeps playing like this. But he is awesome.

[Greg Cody]

Lucy, what did you make of Brian Kelly and his exchange with the reporter after the Florida game asking about the offense? He apologies, which I should note. He opened his press conference yesterday by apologizing privately and publicly to the gentleman. But what did you make that whole exchange?

[Lucy]

I kind of thought it was a nothing burger. Like, that's not the first time a coach has snapped on a reporter. It certainly won't be the last time. Like, Brian Kelly is notoriously, maybe not the coolest guy in the world. So, like, I don't know why everyone made a big deal out of it. I get his sort of logic of like, that's the first question after a game we won. Why don't you talk about how, you know, DJ Lagway threw five interceptions, how good our defense is, blah, blah, blah. But for the most part, I. Whatever. Brian Kelly, not a nice guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whoa.

[Lucy]

Who would have thought? I'm so surprised.

[Stugats]

Oh, no, you don't have to be surprised. And you don't have to make it a nothing burger. And you don't have to predict that it'll happen again, because it will. But I'll play it again, even though he's apologized, because it's always great when one of these guys goes full arrogance on reporters.

[Mike Ryan]

What are you seeing with your offense?

[Dan Le Batard]

Stop. Really? Is that the first question? We won the game 20 to 10. Try another question. What do you want me to tell you? I just laid it out for you. We played the game to win the game. We played the game to win the game.

[Stugats]

All right, how about third down then?

[Mike Ryan]

What is going on with third down?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's one game. Last game, we were great on third down. Your micro. You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU won the football game. Won the game. I Don't know what you want from me. What do you want? You want us to win 70 to nothing against Florida to keep you happy?

[Stugats]

No, I think people want to know why you can't run the ball quite.

[Dan Le Batard]

We can run the ball. Did you see the last play of the game? That's all you need. You just need one. There's a ridiculous questions and I'm getting tired of it. That football team just worked their tail off to get an SEC win and you want to know what's wrong?

[Stugats]

You know what? You're spoiled.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're spoiled. This team is 17 and one at night. 17 and one.

[Stugats]

Give them some respect.

[Dan Le Batard]

How about that? Give them some respect instead of micro analyzing every little thing. This is ridiculous. For a group of seasoned reporters, that kind of question is so out of line.

[Stugats]

Look at Lucy smiling. She's seen it a hundred times. She called it a nothing burger. She dismissed it. And yet she's enraptured as she watches Brian Kelly do. Any coach does that. It's not because we like dislike Brian Kelly. Any coach does that. We're going to play it.

[Lucy]

I just love like cranky old men.

[Stugats]

Texas A and M beats Notre Dame. Is that because Texas A and M is really good or is it that Notre Dame is not that good because Texas A and M didn't even play that well?

[Lucy]

I think Texas A and M is good. That's what I took away from this. Notre Dame has issues, obviously like when you lose, you know, because of special teams issue. That's something that's concerning. I think their defense is not as good as it has been in previous years. I think you're very clearly seeing the change in coordinator there. They're still a good team. I know they're 02 but like Miami, Texas A and M, like that's really not a bad spot to be in right now for Texas A and M. On the other side, I think what the big question was, the season was like can you open up your offense? Can you get the passing game in there? And they went and they were really proactive in the portal with getting receivers. And you can tell. I think that's a really good football team. I think it is a team that is. And right now, if you look at the sec, Texas looked really bad this weekend. Georgia's probably the team to beat right now. But you're still kind of questions about Alabama after that Florida State loss, lsu. I'm not going to say their offense is bad. I don't want to get in trouble for saying that. I don't want to bring that up. I'm afraid it might upset somebody. But the SEC is open right now and I think Texas A and M is actually in a really good spot.

[Greg Cody]

Lucy, I want to ask you about Notre Dame. Like I do understand that it's, it's rankings and not standings. So you know, it's, it's subjective there. But you do have to win some of these games. You know, they like they played two good teams. They lost them both. They're still ranked.

[Stugats]

It's funny that she said Notre Dame's in a good spot. They've lost both the times they played. Like, so the schedule doesn't matter at all. They've just lost their game. They played two games. You can't lose more than they've lost.

[Lucy]

Okay, one, let's watch the tone. Daniel. I'm going to explain myself. Notre Dame is Notre Dame. It doesn't matter what happens throughout the entire season. The second that playoff expanded to 12 teams basically had an automatic bid if Notre Dame wins out and their schedule is not difficult. Their schedule is not difficult at all if they win out. Not impossible. They are a pretty decent football team. They have things to work out. USC is now ranked. That can give them a ranked win. I don't know how a 10 and 2 Notre Dame team doesn't get in, especially when we're talking about the College Football Playoff committee and what is their favorite thing in the world? Quality losses. And Notre Dame has two of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

So two part question. Are you serious? You think there, you think Notre Dame is still has a likelihood asinine of making the playoffs?

[Billy]

Absolutely.

[Lucy]

It's Notre Dame.

[Stugats]

There has not been a bigger rigged election in the last 10 years than getting Notre Dame into the College Football League.

[Lucy]

No, I agree. I'm not saying it's cool. I'm not, I'm not pro Notre Dame getting into the playoff. But like that is how this system was built. It helps Notre, Dame, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, because they get the rating.

[Lucy]

And I want Jess to be happy more than anything else in the world.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, part two college game days coming to Miami. Do you agree or disagree with the strong consensus that Miami is going to absolutely crush.

[Greg Cody]

They're going to kill him.

[Lucy]

Greg Yeah, I do agree with that. I mean DJ like we threw five interceptions last week. That was a really, that's deeply unpleasant football team with Florida. And I think they're so undisciplined and I think Miami is insanely talented. I think they're a very, very good and what I've been so impressed with through the season so far with Miami is like, you can see that that defensive coordinator, Higher Heatherman has been amazing. It has completely turned their defense around. I don't know how Florida, with how undisciplined they are, with how erratic DJ Lagway is playing with all the sort of noise outside of that program. Are you going to fire your coach? Are you not going to fire your coach to do all that then go and play a very good Miami team? I just don't see Florida competing or winning in that game at all.

[Stugats]

What are the three most talented teams you've seen this year where you're just watching and it' jumping off the screen? Because even though this makes me homorific, I haven't seen a lot of teams better than Miami have to say Miami when I'm just looking at the athleticism all over the field and the fact that they have balance. Their offense is obviously going to be good all year. Their quarterback's going to be good if he's healthy. They're going to protect their quarterback and their defense is now disciplined. They're not giving up 50 yard plays, they're not getting a ton of penalties.

[Lucy]

I would have to say I would put Miami on that list especially because Carson Beck has been this, you know, better, newer version of Carson Beck. Not what we saw last year with sort of his problems at Georgia. I would go Miami, Ohio State, ridiculously talented. We could just put them as a lock on this list for the rest of time and I'm gonna put Oregon on that list. They've looked very good throughout the season. Dante Moore has been a really good fit there and I would say Oregon's probably also a lock on this list for the rest of time.

[Stugats]

You say that and yet Oregon, I will never trust them. Like they will have to win the championship undefeated and it will still go another season before I believed it happened because I believe that what happened to them last year will happen to them every single time they run into one of these buzz saws like Ohio State.

[Lucy]

Well, in two weeks they played Penn State and that's where we'll sort of figure things out. Because Penn State, they haven't really played anybody throughout the season so far and people they haven't don't trust them either.

[Billy]

Pause up.

[Lucy]

No, I don't trust them either. They are not looking as, you know, dominant as their fans have wanted to. Wanted them to throughout these first few weeks. So Oregon, Penn State, I believe it's a wide out game that will be like the big sort of I think big litmus test for college football. Two weeks. I'm very excited.

[Greg Cody]

Dan, how are only a seven and a half point favorite this weekend? That's not free money.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that'll, that'll go to double figures.

[Greg Cody]

Like how are they only us. I don't want to do transit theory, but the team that just beat UF Miami beat by 37.

[Dan Le Batard]

I agree. I was, I was struck by that odds. It's nuts. Florida has a solid defense and Miami has shown over the years that they can play close with, with anyone.

[Lucy]

It's the Mario Cristobal effect.

[Stugats]

Lucy, good seeing you. Enjoy the week off after working two straight weeks after not covering college football the previous five months before that. Appreciate you taking this time off to rest yourself, Dan. Yes. You need a bunch of. You need a. You need a eat shit pit.

[Billy]

It was three weeks. In fairness.

[Stugats]

We flew her, we flew her to West Virginia just to get a bunch of West Virginia people cursing.

[Greg Cody]

Lucy, you know about that border war.

[Lucy]

Eat shit pit. Eat shit pit.

[Stugats]

Thank you Lucy. Good seeing you again.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard.

[Lucy]

He seems like a not nice guy, and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, stugats.

[Stugats]

I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Lucy]

That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go f yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.

[Stugats]

It's a great, kind insult. Yes, beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a less Southern. Bless your heart. This is the Dan lebatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugats]

So last night, you guys, can you guys tell me here how it is that you're feeling about. Tom Brady is getting paid $375 million to broadcast games. It's more than he made in his playing care. He is now allowed in the production meetings and owns a team so that there are all sorts of conflicts there. And then last night, he's wearing a headset. The Raiders clearly not helped by in any way by whatever it is that he's giving them in the headset because Geno Smith has rarely had that bad of a game. And offensively, they couldn't do much of anything. What do you guys make of Tom Brady? Who is, we can say, right, we can say the seminal figure in the sport this century. If you have to pick one, it's Brady. So now he's got all access to everything that he wants. He can go anywhere. He's got ownership. He's in these production meetings when no one who's got ownership is allowed to be in this production meeting because he belongs. Can you imagine him being in a Chiefs production meeting where he's the Raiders owner, he's a partial owner of the Raiders, and now he's wearing a headset during games. What do you make of all of this?

[Dan Le Batard]

What a bad look for the NFL. They're allowing this guy to be both a quote unquote journalist and an executive of a team that's playing other teams in the league. It's ridiculous. The only good thing they've done is he can't in person attend these production meetings. He has to do it by zoom, supposedly. But he's still there to get whatever inside information is disseminated. It's just a bad look. They shouldn't do that.

[Greg Cody]

I originally didn't have an, like last year, I didn't have an issue with this. I thought it was a little bit overblown. But it does seem weird to me now. He's super involved the Raiders. He talks to Chip Kelly several times a week. And I think Field Yates put it out on Twitter yesterday. Made the point how you know, this coming weekend, Fox, he has the Bears and the very next week the Raiders are playing the Bears. I think just the solution is the coaches in these production meetings, hey, like, don't tell him anything. You don't have to. And then, then it becomes Fox's problem where it's like, hey, this is your guy. They don't have to answer his questions. Maybe you need to rethink Tom Brady's your broadcaster. Cuz if I'm the coach, I'm not telling.

[Stugats]

Rethink the broadcaster. He's not a journalist, he's a color commentary person. And he is by leaps and bounds being paid more to do that job, by what? Double, triple, quadruple more than anyone's been paid to do any kind of job broadcasting sports. He's making how much more than the previous highest paid person.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right, but he's just being paid for his name. They really don't care how good he is as a broadcaster. Right. He's just being paid to be Tom Brady.

[Billy]

I mean, the optics of it was really bad yesterday. But it was also a unique circumstance.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Billy]

Because he normally has games on Sundays when the Raiders play. So he's not normally in the booth with the headset on. They're going to run into that again in a couple weeks when they play on Thursday night against the Broncos. But we'll see if maybe they say, hey, you know what? Like, don't sit up there with the headphones. But he is doing.

[Greg Cody]

Who would tell him that?

[Billy]

I mean, maybe the league would tell the Raiders, like, let's not have that situation happen again. But I don't think anyone really considered how much he was talking to Chip Kelly during the week. Like, that was kind of the revelation yesterday. You saw it on the video. Like, look, there he is. He's in the headset during the game, which again, he can't do on Sundays because he's with Fox calling the game games. But the communication that he's having throughout the weeks, I think was surprising for a lot of people.

[Dan Le Batard]

If, if I'm Sean Payton, I'm not only not telling him, I'm telling him the exact opposite of stuff.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, yeah, we're gonna sit Bo Nix this week.

[Greg Cody]

That's what I mean by let it become Fox's problem. Okay, this, this is the issue now. Coaches are giving you nothing in these pre production meetings.

[Jeremy]

I want to share a hot take with the class that I have and.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wrote it down here.

[Jeremy]

Pablo will topple Tom Brady's ownership stake in the Raiders in the next three years.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Jeremy]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have that, that take. So next three years, Pablo will topple Tom Brady's ownership.

[Dan Le Batard]

Second, the Raiders, I could see it happening and Pablo doing yes or somebody doing it. If I were the other three AFC west teams, I would be lobbying the other owners to go to the commissioner and say, this is patently ridiculous. It's a bad look for the league. We can't have an, an owner of a team also being in the booth. It's just a.

[Stugats]

Can I just.

[Dan Le Batard]

You need that separation of church and state.

[Stugats]

Can I just ask some devil's advocate questions? Because, you know, we're doing a bit of pretend journalism here, right. The main voices on football that get these great broadcasting jobs tend to be former Cowboys. All of them tend to be former Cowboys. Tony Romo, Jason Whitten got one of them. Troy Aikman, Dale Johnston, I mean, going back to, I mean, Dandy Don Gifford, like, they, they, they always get the jobs and so they're biased on behalf of the Cowboys. Correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Michael Irvin.

[Stugats]

But all those people, the broadcasters and the broadcasting in professional football has a very clear and obvious bias with those people supporting the Dallas Cowboys. You say it's a bad look, but what is the real harm in having Tom Brady and people talking about Tom Brady all the time? Like, what is the actual real harm? These production meetings are fairly useless. There isn't any information gleaned by the announcers that's actually going to give a calculated, appreciable advantage to a team in a way that actually decides a game.

[Dan Le Batard]

As if they're showing him the first 15 plays or something.

[Greg Cody]

Well, yeah, they're stupid enough to do that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right? They would never do that, to Dan's point.

[Zaslo]

But also, if you know how teams feel about individual players, that can also give you insight into who might be able to be let go as a free agent.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Zaslo]

In the upcoming years. If you're part of an ownership stake, that becomes a calculation here. And if you're Fox and now coaches aren't sharing with Tom Brady, he can go from his experience, oh, when I've seen that defense, I've done whatever. But if he doesn't have the knowledge about the offense or the defense of the other team and their tendencies, he's not watching film all week long to figure those things out. That's what Chiglin is, an announcer.

[Stugats]

Okay, the thing, though, that I want to talk to everyone here around, because this has been a plague the last few years. When people want to criticize something, something's a bad look. There's not anything after that. It's just something doesn't look the way I'd like it to look. And I don't particularly care how things look. I care how they are. I know that a lot of people say perception, perception is reality, but it's not. Reality is reality. So I'm asking you guys, what's the real harm of Tom Brady wearing a headset in a game that wasn't interesting last night? And we're talking about Tom Brady wearing a headset. Like, who cares? He owns the Raiders and he's wearing a headset. And clearly the Raiders learned nothing from whatever he was doing. They gained. Exactly. I understand you got Deflategate around him. You've got things in the margins on how they've won that look like cheating over the last 20 years. But clearly whatever he was doing last night didn't help the Raiders at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

Helped against the Patriots the week before.

[Greg Cody]

That team sucks. I think the only issue is for Fox, I think that's really the only issue is that they're not getting the information for their broadcast that they would if someone else were on the game.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's true.

[Stugats]

Fox is doing something very smart right now. They got barstool, they got Clay Travis. They don't care about.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, well, maybe they don't care. That's right.

[Stugats]

They don't care about how things look. What does Fox care about how things look? I know Jeremy's making a bad face. Don't say it's not a smart thing. Jeremy, you don't have to like the thing. They're zigging while everyone else is zagging. And I saw ESPN did this with Bussen and the boys, too. Everyone's going. Everyone's going toward. Where are the customers? Let's not make this about journalism. Let's not make it.

[Billy]

But the FS1 numbers came out and the morning show has not done well compared to what was on previously. If you're, if you're going to be fair about, about the situation, you're saying that they're just getting the audience. The early numbers indicated that that wasn't the case.

[Stugats]

It's early and it's always going to take time to do those things. What they're trying to do. Look, I don't have to like it. I don't have to agree with it. It's just the movement of this country. Do you want young men or not? You got to go to them like you have. That's what people are doing. It's not what we're doing. It's not what I do. But it's not what Fox has done with sports before. What Fox has tried to do with sports is just copycat espn and it's not what they're doing anymore. And I told you before that went before we left espn, they told me that that was going to happen, that all of their surveying indicated that they needed to find a place to find young people. And so, yeah, I don't expect early on for anything to move numbers, but they're trying to do something over there a different way. And your objection is what? Your objection is what, Jeremy, with your sour face?

[Zaslo]

Well, I have several objections to the content. Just your face. The bigger one is, is that not also just. Just copycatting espn? Like, didn't they also get rid of like every progressive voice to go as deep into this space as well? Like, hey, let's stop talking about politics. Let's just get into that realm. Aren't we, as a company a result of that, like, this has been Happening across all networks across the last. I don't know, since 2015 when something happened.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think the NFL has sold its soul for Tom Brady. I think if this were an ex player who people had barely heard of, who was never anywhere near a star and he was a impartial and he was a partial owner of a team, there's no way they would let him have like messy treatment. Like they're kind of just like every rule just kind of gets bent to make sure that he's fine. Yeah.

[Billy]

Yet the NFL still having a soul, huh? It was sold for Tom Brady.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's left of it.

[Billy]

I would argue this soul has been sold long ago. Would you not.

[Greg Cody]

What do you think was a tipping point?

[Billy]

I don't know. I was trying to figure that out right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Crossing a line that hadn't been crossed before. Huh. But it's a line no one really cares about.

[Billy]

I feel like there's more lines to be.

[Dan Le Batard]

Somebody's got to care about it. Is it a line if no one cares about it? If a tree falls in the forest? Am I right? I don't know if that.

[Billy]

Hell, yeah.

[Greg Cody]

What happens next, you know, if you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don'T hear it, did it really fall? If nobody gives a. Is this really an issue? For me it is. Nobody else cares. Is it fine? Yeah. I don't want a part owner of it. Especially. Can you imagine a part owner of the. Of the. Let's say the New England Patriot. Let's say Brady had left the New England Patriots on good terms and now he's a part owner of the New England Patriots. You don't think the other AFC east care. Teams care that. That he's in production meetings and in wearing a headset during game. It's just. It's a bad look and I, you know, they. People might not care about the optics. They should. It's like letting Brady sit at a press conference for the coach earlier in the week. Like he's just saying, like, oh, we're going to work hard. Oh, yeah, that's a good team over there. Like what? Like nothing is really being shared in these meetings. It only hurts Fox because they're. The other teams in that production meeting are not giving information because Brady is one of the ears listening. For example, if he weren't in that meeting, you might hear another team say their offense is Brock Bowers. That's it. If we stop Brock Bowers, you stop the Raiders. They're not going to say that if Tom Brady's listening.

[Billy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugats]

Stugats, they call him Bu.

[Dan Le Batard]

His quarterback is not named twice. This is the Dan Levatar show with the st.

[Billy]

Let me ask you, Greg, a question, just hypothetical here. Let's say, I don't know, something were to happen and the Preakness is coming up and they're looking around. Someone backs out of it. You know, Randy Moss or whoever does the broadcast backs out of the Preakness. And they say we need a voice in horse racing. You know what, Greg Cody? Yeah, we think Greg Cody would do a great job at the Preakness. Would you take it?

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. Oh, hell, yeah.

[Billy]

But you own Calmly and you're part of that syndicate. So now there's kind of a conflict. Would you not agree?

[Dan Le Batard]

I would agree that it is being sold. So what? So pretty soon I will say it ain't so. Yeah, Calmly is being sold, but I have another horse now named Isla Grande who's about to meet with Bill Mott, the famed trainer.

[Billy]

Not Bill Mott.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, the famed trainer in. Ok, stop talking.

[Stugats]

You mentioned hurts Fox and you guys are just wrong. They've got football. It doesn't matter. Bad looks like. What are you talking about? It does. All this stuff hurts Fox. Nothing. Like they could go on Fox right now and if they've got the game, they could just have Lucy yelling each shit pit all game and they've still got the game.

[Greg Cody]

No, when I say hurts Fox, what I mean is. Okay, you have one. If you, in theory, if you have one broadcast that has great information and another broadcast that has less information, the former is the better broadcast, but it doesn't matter.

[Stugats]

The former is the better broadcast and the second one has the greatest quarterback of all time.

[Dan Le Batard]

And that's all that matter. Have you guys heard him? Him doing these broadcasts? Like it doesn't sound like he's just like he's just kind of talking.

[Zaslo]

He's already not that good at the job if he's not going to have information. It does make their broadcast worse. And I just.

[Greg Cody]

Doesn't matter.

[Zaslo]

We're just having a conversation about standards. If no standards matter about anything, then what are we talking about? Like we should have standards for things.

[Billy]

Wasn't Bill Mott Sovereignty's trainer?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, he's a triple crown winning trainer. Thank you, Billy.

[Stugats]

Let's play the useless sound montage. We forgot about it week one because that's how we do things around here. Here's the useless sound montage. Does it include week one, Chris, or do we throw it all together? Nope, it's just week two. This is all week two. What do we have?

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, let's go.

[Mike Ryan]

You're on 10% battery.

[Dan Le Batard]

Happens to me all the time. My dogs got bit by snakes. That was a big vet Bill shout out to wherever we went. Ultimately, I look at absolutely everything falling on me.

[Stugats]

I'll take full responsibility for that game. Man, it's a, it's a kick in the teeth digesting what transpired in stadium today.

[Dan Le Batard]

And we got to be better. Every game's different, Paul. I'd rather be on the aggressive side of, of history than the non aggressive side. So new Aubrey was a long kick, had a long leg play stick on the back end and we do a lot in the front. You know when you call good plays, he executes them. When I call shitty plays, he still executes them. You know, you're always thinking in your head, can we score a touchdown on this drive? Dude, what are we Doing Mom, I love you. What that really feels like is a real missed opportunity. He got his clavicle. He broke his clavicle. So it's unfortunate. It's a big loss. I thought Darius Williams came in and made what a clutch breakup that he had on the third down to get us off the grass. I'm going to enjoy this one. Midnight rule. I've told you guys this one, right? Midnight. I'm gonna enjoy it. I'm gonna have a couple shoddies tonight. And at midnight, I'm gonna go to bed and wake up and we're on to Chicago.

[Stugats]

But my guys played their tail off and played hard and aggressive football. You can audible any play at any downs.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what I wish we would have done. I wish we would have not taken those shots. I need to do a better job supervising all of the orchestration. Within our multiple personnel groups. We absorbed some.

[Stugats]

Some attrition and probably limited our communication.

[Dan Le Batard]

And thus our call sheet. I got to go back and I.

[Stugats]

Got to look at it from. From behind. It's hard for me to tell with just the still pictures.

[Dan Le Batard]

They know how to get in the ditch and just start digging, man. They don't worry about the other stuff. So, you know, I think they play Kansas City later this afternoon, so it'd be fun to be able to watch it. As long as the damn WI FI on the plane works, these guys are confident and they should be confident. We're a good football team now. I think we did some stupid tonight, you know, I really do.

[Stugats]

Is this starting to get a little frustrating?

[Dan Le Batard]

You're getting nuts. We week two. Come on, now. Come on, come on. It's week two.

[Stugats]

Had the official right next to me throughout that process. He told me it was halftime, so we went in for halftime.

[Mike Ryan]

Why do you think you're so successful.

[Dan Le Batard]

On the defaults today? Good throws, good catches. I've said this all along, man. This. This train keeps rolling, man. And we. We got. We got plenty here. And it always is going to start with the players. We got players. We got playmakers. And they're made the right way. They're the right kind of guys, man. I just think what the defense has given us, you know, and I'll go back and look on table.

[Stugats]

Just don't think that. That I'm gonna throw at 80 yards.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not. Not supporting some of the choices there.

[Stugats]

I need to see what happened, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love that kid, man. He just loves to play football. He loves to push people. Those are our standards. And I knew we would play better, you know, because our guys came into work, and we knew we needed to clean up, and we worked at cleaning it up, and they had the right look, and. And they came out fighting. To win games, you have to win the game, not lose the game.

[Stugats]

What stood out to you guys in there? Because to me, what. What leapt out. And I understand that this is a violent game, but the way whoever that was segued from that guy's got a broken clavicle to. And also what a great pass breakup. Just. There's somebody. A broken clavicle seems horrible.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Stugats]

I didn't even know.

[Zaslo]

Opposite of turf.

[Stugats]

I didn't even know those.

[Dan Le Batard]

That sounds true.

[Stugats]

I didn't know those.

[Dan Le Batard]

Broke.

[Stugats]

Broke. I didn't know clavicles broke.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg. Cody broke his clavicle when he was a kid. I did. Yeah. And a little red wagon. My brother took a corner too fast, but I was actually taking notes during that, and I wrote down, clavicle sounds like a musical instrument at LeBatard show on the pole.

[Stugats]

Does clavicle sound like a musical instrument? And did you know you could break your clavicle? Because I thought you could bruise it. I thought perhaps you could crack it. I didn't think breaking the clavicle was one of the options.

[Billy]

Was it a Radio Flyer, Greg? I think it was you and Uncle Dick running around.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is when we still lived in Miami.

[Billy]

1440.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no. Right after we moved from Lawrence, Massachusetts, we stayed with Uncle Buddy in South Miami for a few weeks.

[Billy]

Hold on.

[Dan Le Batard]

I never knew that.

[Billy]

Wait, hold on a second. This is the first we're hearing this. So you moved from Lawrence, Mass. Down? You lived with Uncle Buddy before you guys went to 1440?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yep. For. For a few weeks. Oh, weeks?

[Mike Ryan]

Just weeks?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, it might have been a couple of months because we were buying a house and getting situated and all that stuff. And the. The memory from there is that my mother took a walk from the house in South Miami, and there was a river right nearby. And she looks down in the river over a little footbridge, and she sees dozens of dead cats.

[Billy]

Dead cats.

[Dan Le Batard]

And that was a memory, an early memory of the Uncle Bud Buddy weeks.

[Billy]

What happened to them?

[Dan Le Batard]

They. I have no idea. I didn't kill him. But Uncle Buddy, I didn't think he did. Back then. He was a Pabst Blue Ribbon guy. And Uncle Buddy, he'd be a Miller.

[Billy]

Man now for sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, he would show up at the house with a six pack, then you could drink and drive. Oh, yeah.

[Greg Cody]

What?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I could drink and drive back. It was like probably the mid-60s by that point, maybe early-60s. Look this up. And he would. He would show up at the house with a six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon. What?

[Billy]

Taco Buddy up to Miller.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's been dead for years.

[Billy]

Oh, know.

[Stugats]

When did DUI become a thing? Because I don't think that back then you could just drink and drive. Doesn't seem right, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think he's right. I think he's right.

[Zaslo]

Like, it first became a law in 1906 in New Jersey and 1910 in New York.

[Billy]

What are Florida here, though? Yeah, exactly, right? I mean, get with it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wake up. Wake up. It's not the sunshine.

[Billy]

How about that integrity you were talking about? We're not talking about New York.

[Stugats]

Just giving you information standards that you were talking about. Zaslo was beaming. The entire segment toward the end there just staring at you. And I think I know why. It's because he realized that you love nothing more than answering questions about yourself.

[Greg Cody]

Loves talking about himself.

[Billy]

We didn't even find out what happened to Conley.

[Zaslo]

It was 1917.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's true.

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