Hour 1: From Sports To Porn

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 1: From Sports To Porn
Date: March 17, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

In this hour, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their regular roundtable dive into a classic, freewheeling session centering on sports culture, the evolution (and devolution) of combat sports, and the nature of merit in both sports and society at large. The episode also features spirited, humorous banter, deep-dive discussions about major historical upsets in sports, cultural references to Miami and Cuba, and characteristically irreverent side games and anecdotes.

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Segment Highlights & Key Discussion Points

1. Tailgating and Strip Clubs in Miami (01:38)

• Memorable Moment: Dan opens with an observation on the sadness and appeal of "tailgating at 10am at a strip club."
  • Dan: "There is something profoundly sad about tailgating at 10am at a strip club." (01:38)
• The crew quickly digresses into playful stories about strip club outings and Miami party life.

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2. “Looks Like” NCAA Tournament of Athletes (02:00–05:39)

• The panelists riff on NCAA tourney brackets, giving fictitious and comedic “looks like” descriptions for famous athletes acting as stand-ins for teams.
  • Mike (on Brock Purdy): "Looks like a youth pastor." (02:41)
  • Mike (on Clark Hunt): "Looks like the director of a funeral home that makes candles out of its surplus of embalming fluid." (03:05)
• The segment humorously points at American regionalism and sports fandom quirks.

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3. The State of Combat Sports, Celebrity "Boxing," and Merit (05:39–12:10)

• Discussion pivots to the current state of combat sports cards, including the inclusion of aging or “celebrity” fighters such as Nate Diaz, Ronda Rousey, and Gina Carano in non-UFC promotions.
  • Dan: "It's not a card. It's a bunch of washed up fighters." (05:56)
  • David: "They're trying to put more thing because rather you got to build the card on one fight." (07:36)
• Cultural Commentary: Dan laments how the sport has shifted away from technical merit and artistry to celebrity draw.
  • Dan: "The dilution hurts both my interest in it and my caring for the artistry that I'm talking about. When you distort it by just making it names or celebrities and your whole card is people who haven't fought in nine years..." (09:08)
• Eric: Offers perspective that modern cards are more akin to "reality show sideshow attraction[s]" than sports.
  • Eric: "It's closer to Big Celebrity Big Brother than it is to actual boxing. This is a new form of reality show..." (09:28)
• Nostalgic references to classic boxing's past "meritocracy" and heavyweight lineage.

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4. Jake Paul, Women’s Boxing, and the Question of Merit (15:18–18:28)

• Crew acknowledges Jake Paul's impact on women’s boxing, while expressing conflicting feelings about his role.
  • David: "What Jake has done for women, for women boxing has been massive." (15:18)
  • Dan: "Jake Paul has done a good thing while also undercutting what it is that I thought..." (15:34)
• Lourdes: Critiques whether Paul's showcased female fighters for their talent or for their appearance.
  • Lourdes: "Is it as boxers or as pinups?" (16:23)
• Contextualizes Ronda Rousey and Gina Carano as genuine pioneers, not merely products of hype.

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5. Iconic Sports Upsets: The Imprint of Buster Douglas vs. Tyson (18:57–25:35)

• The group debates the greatest upsets in American sports history, focusing on Buster Douglas defeating Mike Tyson.
  • Dan: "Is Tyson Douglas second only to the Miracle on Ice when you look at biggest upsets in the history of all of American sports?" (19:26)
  • Jeremy: "That might have been just about the last time that boxing mattered the way that I want it to matter." (20:29)
• Other upsets: Jets defeating Colts in Super Bowl III, 2001 Patriots vs. Rams, Giants over Patriots' undefeated season, Leicester City in Premier League (international context).
• Tony: "Tyson's fight bus. Who the hell is Buster Douglas? Nobody took it serious. And then when you get the news the next morning that Tyson lost. What do you mean Tyson lost?" (23:31)
• Lourdes: Reflects on the lack of instant-replay or video: "People today... the way you guys get to live with content is like a dream come true. All the way from sports to porn..." (24:58)

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6. The Athlete’s Journey Through Injury: Max Strus’ Return (30:09–34:38)

• Emotional coverage of Max Strus returning to play for Cleveland after a long injury layoff.
  • Max Strus: "I worked my ass off. No, it was a long road. But I only know one way to work, and that's as hard as possible. And I did that every single day." (31:01–31:31)
• Panel emphasizes the invisible grind of injured athletes, and the precarious nature of careers dependent solely on physical health.
  • Dan: "When you're injured to even your teammates, you become invisible... The body is the only thing that makes them known to others. To have the body fall apart on you when you're relying on your body..." (33:05)
  • Lourdes: "It's a big difference though, when you're injured in the middle of a guaranteed deal versus when you're injured as a free agent..." (34:13)

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7. Athletes as R&B Names Game (28:52, 34:38)

• Lighthearted segment: imagining current athletes as R&B singers, sparking creative, comedic contributions.
  • Dan: "Is Darius Garland better than Darius Slayton? Darius is helping you here. The Darius is doing the lifting." (29:15)
  • Nick: "How do we feel about Zay Flowers?" (29:22)
  • Eric: "I like the R and B Singer game. Ruben Drones." (34:38)

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8. Miami, Cuban Politics, & Regime Change (36:04–42:20)

• Dan pivots to the emotional, political, and personal aspects of neighboring Cuba’s struggles.
  • Discussion on potential regime change, the complicated legacy/effect of US presidencies, and local Miami Cuban-American responses.
  • Dan: "I believe the streets of Miami will rejoice the way Venezuelans did throughout Miami when we did what we did as a country to Venezuela. When the Cuban people stop suffering, I believe that there will be a great celebration..." (36:27)
  • Eric: "Donald Trump is fortunate enough to be in this place right now in history. And I’m really happy for the liberation of that island... I’m honored and privileged to be alive to watch that regime fall or be choked out." (39:24)
• Discussion on whether to view liberation as "worth it" regardless of who takes credit, and concerns about what comes next.
• Lourdes: "He's a full consequentialist... Cuba's been a Rotting island for 70 years." (39:56)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan (on modern combat sports): "You know that I love boxing and... the science of will jiu jitsu, beat a ground game... But Mike is correct and the dilution hurts both my interest in it and my caring for the artistry that I'm talking about." (09:08)
• Eric (on "celebrity combat" trend): "I once looked down on my nose on it, and now I've just adjusted my expectations... it’s just like a reality show sideshow..." (10:56)
• Lourdes (on access/content, then and now): "People today, and it does make me feel old, but the way you guys get to live with content is like a dream come true. All the way from sports to porn..." (24:58)
• Dan (on the vulnerability of athletes): "It’s not merely that when you're injured to even your teammates, you become invisible. ...When the body is the only thing that makes them known to others. To have the body fall apart on you when you're relying on your body..." (33:05)
• Eric (on Cuban regime change): "There is just a base level of life at Cuba that they're willing to suffer through. ...The people might literally tear what’s left of the government to shreds if this continues much longer." (38:29)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 01:38 — On sad/awesome Miami tailgating culture
• 02:00–05:39 — NCAA “Looks Like” Tournament Bracket jokes
• 05:39–12:10 — The spectacle of modern combat/crossover boxing (Nate Diaz, Ronda Rousey, etc.)
• 15:18–18:28 — Jake Paul and the changing face of women’s boxing, merits/drawbacks
• 18:57–25:35 — Legendary sports upsets: Tyson-Douglas and more; generational contrast in experiencing content
• 30:09–34:38 — Max Strus returns from injury: emotion, invisibility, and grind
• 28:52, 34:38 — R&B Athlete Name Game
• 36:04–42:20 — Cuban-American culture, regime change, and Miami’s emotional connection

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Tone & Style

Authentically irreverent and conversational, the episode blends comedic sports banter and nostalgic asides with sincere, sometimes heavy cultural commentary—true to the Le Batard Show’s tradition of delivering nuanced, Miami-rooted, and emotionally resonant sports talk.

Transcript

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[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

There is something profoundly sad about tailgating at 10am at a strip club. There's something.

[Host or Panelist]

It was awesome up until you said strip club.

[Jeremy]

That is something that seems like on a weekday with.

[Eric]

Yeah, you were talking about Romberg.

[Tony]

Yeah, me and Rambdag.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Tony]

Our day was over. Let's go to the club.

[Jeremy]

Let me update some looks like here in our tournament, the east region number six, Louisville. I can't say that correctly. Louisville is represented by Hunter Pence.

[Mike]

Looks like the pirate forced to walk the plank after a failed mutiny against his captain, Jeff Samarja.

[David]

It's a double.

[Jeremy]

That is a double. We should have had a picture of Samarja in there. It would have made it.

[David]

I could see him with a long coat with, like a hook.

[Jeremy]

South Florida is an 11 seed represented by Kurt Warner.

[Mike]

Looks like the villain in a Christmas movie that wants to take over the North Pole and make the elves pawns in his capitalist scheme.

[Jeremy]

Number four, Arkansas is represented by Brock Purdy.

[Mike]

Looks like a youth pastor.

[David]

That one's great. He might actually be.

[Jeremy]

Arkansas is playing against number 13, Hawaii. Hawaii is represented by Tyrese Halliburton.

[Mike]

Looks like a Mischiev cartoon mouse.

[Jeremy]

North Carolina is represented by chief's owner Clark Hunt.

[Mike]

Looks like the director of a funeral home that makes candles out of its surplus of embalming fluid.

[Jeremy]

If you're not watching these on YouTube like that is. I think a lot of people might not know what Clark Hunt looks like, but Clark Hunt. And you got to be careful with that name.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why Chris Cody Clunt.

[Lourdes]

If his first name were Mike, it would be an issue. Clark is fine.

[Jeremy]

Number 11, VCU is represented by Tom Izzo.

[Mike]

Looks like a mailman.

[Host or Panelist]

That's why it's 14 seed.

[Eric]

Just.

[Host or Panelist]

Just kind of factual. Not that funny, but just.

[Jeremy]

No, but the short ones are good. I like the short ones. The short ones off of the long

[Dan Le Batard]

ones are also good.

[Jeremy]

Illinois. Illinois's got good offense. Illinois number three seed is represented by Tony.

[Mike]

Looks like the overzealous owner of an Italian restaurant who always greets you at the door with a my favorite couple. When you walk in,

[Jeremy]

he maketh a salad. Three seed Illinois is facing 14 seed Penn. Penn is represented by Adam Silver.

[Mike]

Looks like a javelin.

[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

Stop.

[Lourdes]

You have to stop.

[Jeremy]

Gonzaga. 3 seed is represented by Aaron Giudge.

[Mike]

Looks like the most athletic member of the Adams family.

[Host or Panelist]

I thought that was like a one seed.

[Jeremy]

It's good.

[Host or Panelist]

I got voted down. For me, that was like one of our top ones.

[Jeremy]

It is good. The three seed Gonzaga is facing Kennesaw State. A 14 seed represented by Joe Girardi.

[Mike]

Looks like he has a favorite chair in the husband sitting area outside Dillard's.

[Jeremy]

Look at Samson. He can't even smile when he sees his face.

[Lourdes]

I was trying to think what Dillard's was.

[Jeremy]

There's no sir.

[Lourdes]

Oh, no, I'm sorry. Don't penalize me.

[Jeremy]

How are you an elitist about.

[Lourdes]

Just tell me what that is and then I can laugh. Berdine's not mall store.

[David]

I've never heard of jc.

[Eric]

I like a mall store. You know what I meant.

[Tony]

Have you ever heard of Macy's?

[Lourdes]

Yeah, of course. You got that shirt in New York City.

[Dan Le Batard]

But I think Birdine's might be not only closed also it's. It's just Florida, isn't. It isn't.

[Jeremy]

Berdyn's is not a national.

[Host or Panelist]

Macy bought Berdine. Also in a store.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also a mall Stor number two Houston

[Jeremy]

Is represented by Ed Malloy.

[Mike]

Looks like the guy who brushes his teeth in the company bathroom.

[Jeremy]

That is facing number 15, Idaho. Idaho is represented by Connor McDavid.

[Mike]

Looks like a mechanic.

[Jeremy]

He does that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wanted to ask you guys something.

[Jeremy]

Based on the news around this MVP

[Dan Le Batard]

card of mixed martial arts, I saw

[Jeremy]

that Nate Diaz has been added to

[David]

it against Platinum Mike Perry. Dano. This is a very exciting car all of a sudden.

[Lourdes]

I know, man.

[Tony]

Ronda Rousey said the card sucks.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not a card. It's a bunch of washed up fighters.

[David]

And Ganu's washed up.

[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

Dan.

[David]

And Ganu's washed up. He hasn't fought in like five years.

[Jeremy]

Did you just make my point?

[Dan Le Batard]

No.

[Eric]

He just defined.

[David]

No, no. He's got legs.

[Tony]

He's well rested.

[David]

Exactly right. Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nate Diaz, Ronda Rousey, Gina Carano. These are a lot of people who either haven't fought in a long time or in the case of Nate Diaz is just a name. Like he is punch drunk, and he's been punch drunk for years.

[Tony]

Was Gino, Was Gina Carano ever any good?

[Dan Le Batard]

Not really. She was more of an action star than she was of a fighter for the competition.

[Eric]

That promotion that she was at, was IT Strikeforce Elite XC1 became the other

[Tony]

because I feel like she had a little bit of Anna Kournikova to her.

[Eric]

I mean, that promotion, I think that promotion had network fights on CBS before it became a thing. Now with the ufc, they did a really good job of building personalities up. Dan was a very useful vessel in the Kimbo slice experience. Superstars that weren't actually like in the ring, technically as gifted as maybe their UFC counterparts, but they were big personalities. That true. And the way that combat sports went, including boxing, like that's the big deal now is who can draw? Who's a. Who's. It's a celebrity boxing angle now, and it's one of the biggest sports on the planet. Celebrity boxing is out. Is outlasting actual box.

[Lourdes]

So was the card flailing, Tony? Is that what I'm hearing? Was it a late ad that is making this all of a sudden?

[Dan Le Batard]

You should. Should know this is a competitor to ufc. This is not ufc. These are the fighters that are outside of the.

[Lourdes]

When they. When they do an ad like that, is it because it was flailing and they.

[David]

I don't want to say flailing. I think they're trying to put more thing because rather you got to build the card on one fight and then from there you can kind of build everything up. They had.

[Tony]

And the Rousey fights, that fight, they

[David]

again, they use the Gina Carano Rousey fight as that thing. But then you look at Francis Ngannou, who's been obviously a big name in the, in the UFC and also in mma, they're putting him against another guy who's kind of a tomato can. Then you've got Nick Diaz, who everybody loves, or Nate diazcu me, who everybody loves. Putting him on a card is going to attract people because people want to see Nate, so. And Mike Perry is another guy who's been bkfc, which is bare knuckle. He's been out very publicly. As far as the social media game

[Lourdes]

made it seem, though, that this edition had changed.

[David]

It's exciting.

[Lourdes]

Ordinary to extraordinary.

[David]

I wouldn't say extraordinary. It turned it from okay to ordinary.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me entertain what Mike is saying, though, about the combat sports. If you've been listening to this show for a long time, you know that I love boxing and I especially liked and supported the competing styles of mixed martial arts. I love the science of will jiu jitsu, beat a ground game and all of that stuff. When it's just two people reduced to their courage and vulnerability and the risk of embarrassment in front of others. This is something that I have enjoyed as a science. But Mike is correct and the dilution hurts both my interest in it and my caring for the artistry that I'm talking about. When you distort it by just making

[Jeremy]

it names or celebrities and your whole card is people who haven't fought in nine years or people who are just using the last embers of their fame

[Dan Le Batard]

to get people to do a pay

[Jeremy]

per view thing, because that's what the mix. That is what combat sports have become.

[Eric]

I totally understand where you're coming from. You covered boxing in the 90s where, you know, it was still very strong. Everybody. You weren't too far removed from the glory days of heavyweights. Tyson was like a power cord of excitement and a cult of personality. I understand how someone who actually covered the sport when it mattered would look down on their nose. I don't even look at it as related to boxing. I think it's just a curiosity. I think it's closer to Big Celebrity Big Brother than it is to actual boxing. This is a new form of reality show where you get to see two known people and instead of them playing like games, they're beating each other up or attempting to, and sometimes poorly. But still, that has a curiosity.

[Host or Panelist]

It's like MTV the Challenge.

[Eric]

Yeah, it has a curiosity factor. It may not interests you, but it makes you more curious about their cards than it does a run of the. Like. We didn't talk about the last UFC card. It wasn't a good card. There wasn't a big time name. If you're a casual fan, we're talking about this one.

[David]

The issue was there was two big tie names between Charles Oliveira and Max Holloway. And the problem is the fight sucked because Charles just took him down for four minutes every single round. But the. The. The top. The talking point about MVP is like, this is what MVP does, right? Like, they're not a sanctioned body of boxing. They're not a sanctioned body of mma. They're kind of a sideshow freak show dog and pony show where you're like, all right, can I get the names? Can I have Nate. Nate Robinson fight Jake Paul? Can I have Mike Tyson, who's 65 years old, fight Jake Paul in a fight that we all thought was going to be one thing, and it was completely different.

[Eric]

And I once looked down on my nose on it, and now I've just adjusted my expectations part of the game, and it's just like a reality show sideshow attraction that I guess can be kind of fun for one night.

[Dan Le Batard]

The saying is look down my nose, not look down on my nose.

[Tony]

That's true.

[Eric]

Okay, thank you. Thank you for the correction. I had that wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's look down on my nose, and I am looking down on my nose at you, mispronouncing that with great judgment. But I.

[Jeremy]

The thing. And I think you guys will understand

[Dan Le Batard]

this, okay, because this is not just me being crotchety old guy complaining about how things were.

[Jeremy]

You know, that I like merit.

[Dan Le Batard]

And so it simply bothers me, okay, that a heavyweight division of Joshua Wilder,

[Jeremy]

Fury, Ruiz, and before that, the Klitschko

[Eric]

brothers gets dwarfed by this, I mean, loser sentence. We have reality show host presidents. Nothing's a meritocracy anymore. Everything's like, what's your IG follower count?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's fine. But do you understand why it is I'm objecting to it?

[Eric]

Like, I mean, I highlighted it. I get it. Especially if you actually have a respect for boxing. But like I said, it's closer to Survivor.

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[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

Dan Levatard.

[Lourdes]

Taytas Stugats. Taytas.

[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats foreign.

[David]

And I understand that this is a shot, a sideshow and, and the celebrity boxing angle of it, but what Jake has done for women, for women boxing has been massive.

[Eric]

That's.

[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

It's.

[David]

He's been put, putting Amanda Saronic or Shields, like all these different people on the map in such a big way that female boxing just cannot do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is, it's the meme though of when, when someone you despise makes a good point. Yes, Jake Paul has done a good thing while also undercutting what it is that I thought Chris is making fun of me here where he's like merit.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I thought that's what we were doing in sports. I thought merit is what we were doing.

[Lourdes]

Is it all, Is it all Marla's mic. I'm sorry, is it all Marlas?

[Eric]

I don't know what that means.

[Lourdes]

So Jake Paul, is he only promoting non Marlas Marla from League of Their Own, the ugly baseball player who. So good. But hey, pan the camera back. Pan it back. She's not Geena Davis, she's not Lori Petty. Because the picture you just showed, there was no Marlas anywhere that I could see. So you say that Jake Paul is doing a lot for women boxing. Is it as boxers or as pinups?

[David]

Absolutely, as boxers. Like Amanda Serrano is one of the best of all time. Clarissa Shields, one of the best of all time. Like, he's propping these people up and putting them in paydays and paychecks that they would have never seen otherwise.

[Eric]

I'll give you a good example. My dad wanted to see the Jake Paul Mike Tyson sideshow attraction. I watched that too. On the undercard, there was a big time women's boxing match. They headlined another card. My dad really enjoyed the previous fight. He is as casual a sports fan as you'll meet. And he wanted to tune into that because he's aware of these names because of Jake Paul. And I will push back some on the Meritocracy thing. I know it's maybe 10 years too late, but Ronda Rousey and let's give Gina Caranu some respect. Gina Caranu headlined a card against Cyborg, and that was a big deal. That was a national story. It drew a monster rating. This is a fight that people wanted to see in its heyday. Ronda Rousey versus Gina Carano. And yes, they're both celebrities, and yes, they're both attractive. That sells fights. It's gonna be awful. It's probably gonna be awful.

[Mike]

Really awful.

[Eric]

But I know that going in. I'm curious. I do want to see this fight. It is a worthy main event for what this card is.

[Lourdes]

But your dad wouldn' have paid. My only point is your dad paid for Paul Tyson. The fact that he got thrown. Tyson Paul is Netflix.

[Eric]

That's the only way my dad would watch.

[Lourdes]

So, hey, extra is all I'm saying. For the undercard. No, but done that.

[Eric]

But he's watching a women's headline boxing card, which is just crazy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ronda Rousey, whether you like her or not, a legitimate pioneer. This is as wrong as Dana White has ever been because he said that would never happen in his sport. And then she was headlining a UFC card, and he. He didn't think that was going to

[Jeremy]

happen, and he behaved. He chased after Ronda Rousey while she was fighting on his hands and knees like a puppy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because he was so happy to have a star. Because what has happened to his sport since? A lot of ground game people from

[Jeremy]

mountainous regions that end up making the Arab fighters. Making. Making the sport.

[Tony]

My son loves the Arab fighters.

[David]

Ro ruining the sport.

[Eric]

Rousey saved Dana's ass at one point.

[Jeremy]

He needed a star.

[Eric]

He did. And he kind of got lucky right after he got Conor. And now he's kind of searching for that next big thing at a hugely important time. And you can tell that Paramount is trying to position him. Like, I don't know if you saw the profile that CBS News did on him, but he's trying to be more inclusive with his platform again, which is just laugh out loud funny.

[Tony]

It really is one of the biggest moments in combat sports history. Like, we all remember where we were. Tyson, Buster Douglas, where we're either watching or heard about it for the first time. Like, I remember where I was when Ronda Rousey took that kick right to the face.

[David]

Holly Holmes.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tony]

And it all ended.

[Mike]

Where were you?

[Tony]

I was at a friend's house. We were watching it.

[Lourdes]

There's no way to prove that wrong.

[Tony]

Why are you trying to test Me like that. I got the Shaquille o' Neal thing yet, right? Yesterday. Why? Are you trying to test me?

[Lourdes]

No, you got the. What are you talking about? Yeah, what do you mean he was not on the left wing.

[Jeremy]

Why would you try to say that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Douglas. You mentioned Tyson Douglas. And I thought. Because I also remember where I was. I was at the Rathscheller at the University of Miami bar. And there are very few instances like this where I can go back 30 years and remember where I was on something. Is Tyson Douglas second only to the Miracle on Ice when you look at biggest upsets in the history of all of American sports, Because Mike Ryan recently

[Jeremy]

has been talking about the Heat as a play in team, as if they

[Dan Le Batard]

weren't one of the biggest upsets in the history of the sport by going through Giannis and the Celtics and everyone else as an eight seed.

[Jeremy]

But when you think of second greatest

[Dan Le Batard]

upset history of American sports and I've

[Jeremy]

got at the table, I've got Douglas,

[Dan Le Batard]

Tyson and I go all in. What are you beating me with?

[Jeremy]

What is it that you guys are

[Dan Le Batard]

finding that you're saying?

[Jeremy]

Because that might have been just about the last time that boxing mattered the

[Dan Le Batard]

way that I want it to matter

[Jeremy]

instead of being these Jake, Jake Paul

[Dan Le Batard]

circus shows that are reality television and don't have much of anything to do with. With merit or, or I thought that's what we were doing in sports.

[Jeremy]

I thought we liked the fact that

[Dan Le Batard]

we were trying to reward merit. That, you know, we were having arguments

[Jeremy]

here for years about who's a better team. And you guys always say, well, they played, they played. And what happened here. You don't get to make the argument that they're a better team if they lost in a one game sample.

[Eric]

I don't know if it might be comparable in terms of skill, but the attention that it drew was not the same because again, Mike Tyson was the biggest star arguably on the planet at the time. But Andy Ruiz beating Anthony Joshua at that point seemed unbelievable.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're right.

[David]

George Foreman coming back at 45 and winning the. The heavyweight title.

[Dan Le Batard]

I told you I was there for that. Yeah, I told you I got seats

[Jeremy]

behind Shaq so you couldn't see I had great seats.

[Lourdes]

That's how I feel every day. Every seat I get is behind Shaq. My jets in 69 before.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Yes.

[Lourdes]

Very big upset.

[Jeremy]

Well, I think the Rams, the Rams losing to the Patriots of Bill Belichick that year. Weren't the Rams in the Super Bowl a 17 and a half point fav?

[Eric]

Yeah. How do you think they, they made that game so close?

[Dan Le Batard]

17 and a half.

[Lourdes]

The Giants beating the Patriots when they were undefeated.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a big upset, but not as big. Not.

[Jeremy]

I look up for me what Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Belichick Brady's first

[Dan Le Batard]

year beating the Greatest show on Turf.

[Jeremy]

Look up for me what the point spread was in that game and tell me whether or not there was a

[Dan Le Batard]

point spread that large in a game, in a football game last year. Because the 17 and a half point and the 18 point football spread isn't really a thing anymore. That's a college football spread. But you rarely are getting two touchdown spreads in the pros. And I'm pretty sure Brady's Patriots. Do I have this wrong, Zaslav?

[Jeremy]

Am I remembering this wrong?

[Tony]

I think 17 is a little high. I think it's closer to 14.

[Nick]

14 is what I have here still a lot.

[Lourdes]

That's the end of that whole story then.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean it's still an enormous number.

[Lourdes]

17 and a half.

[Dan Le Batard]

18, a two touchdown favorite in a

[Tony]

Super Bowl, Ohio State being Miami. That was somewhere around 14 also, right?

[Eric]

Yeah. We're just doing American sports, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. What? Yes, because you were. No, but.

[Jeremy]

No, because.

[Eric]

No, because I think a season long thing like the Premier League or Jamie Vardian and Golo Kante doing it with Lesser City is something that we'll never see again.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's correct. Like that is the international example that's used all the time. Can you look up for me, Jeremy, please? The Namath super bowl that Zaz is talking about there? What was the point spread against the Colts in that Super Bowl? Different age, different passing numbers.

[Jeremy]

Everything was different.

[David]

The Internet is telling me January 4, 2026, this year, week 18, the Baltimore Ravens were a minus 20 favorite against the Cleveland Browns.

[Nick]

The Colts were 18 to 19 and a half point favorites, depending on where you were placing your bet.

[Dan Le Batard]

So do you put any of those pretty good then with Douglas and Tyson, do you think?

[Tony]

Douglas and Tyson I still think is second for people who aren't old enough to have experienced it. It was because. Because that fight, it was in Tokyo. So most of us here in this country weren't watching it live. And it was a foregone conclusion. Hold on. Tyson's fight bus. Who the hell is Buster Douglas? Nobody took it serious. And then when you get the news the next morning that Tyson lost. What do you mean Tyson lost?

[Lourdes]

We thought it was fixed when it happened. Actually, I was of the age where I thought that it was inconceivable that an upset like that, it was inconceivable. So it had to have been a drop.

[David]

So how did you guys watch it if it was in the Tokyo Dome, you know, time and all that?

[Tony]

I didn't watch that one. Like I found out about it the next morning.

[Jeremy]

I didn't watch it either.

[Dan Le Batard]

When I say I know where I was, it's delivered news. It's not because I'm actually watching it,

[Jeremy]

it's because somebody is saying in a bar, someone is.

[Dan Le Batard]

And all of our reactions were the same. Like, what do you mean?

[Tony]

It didn't even make sense.

[Jeremy]

What do you mean that Tyson lost to Buster Douglas? One of the strangest things I've ever seen in my sports life is Mike Tyson grabbing for his mouthpiece on his hands and knees and not getting off the floor because the fight because him disabled.

[Tony]

He beat the shit out of him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he.

[David]

How did you guys see the video? Like what did you do?

[Eric]

I have a flashing memory of like a news, like one of those brief 30 second things. And it's just a still image. It was a still image of Mike Tyson, like with his boxing glove, searching many of them.

[Lourdes]

You had to go to HBO much later, like weeks later to get video if you didn't attend the event. People today, and it does make me feel old, but the way you guys get to live with content is like a dream come true. All the way from sports to porn to anything. It's just all there had to be said. And. And we just didn't have that. That wasn't my life. And so Buster Douglas, what was your life like? My life was looking through squiggly lines.

[Tony]

Remember Mike Tyson was supposed to be a special guest referee at Wrestlemania but he got knocked out by Buster Douglas. They then invited Buster Douglas instead.

[Dan Le Batard]

He didn't train at all for the fight.

[Jeremy]

He had a stand up comic in

[Dan Le Batard]

his corner giving him the wrong not, not the wrong advice, not merely the wrong advice.

[Jeremy]

They didn't have like fluids, very common boxing things in his corner because he didn't take the fight seriously in any way at all.

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[Eric]

gonna win stugats we're gonna win.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're annoying.

[Host or Panelist]

Old reference.

[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me get to something else here that I wanted to get to.

[Jeremy]

Do you have R B singers? Has the audience been producing good name

[Dan Le Batard]

names for athletes as R B singers?

[Jeremy]

Have you knocked off Jimmy Foxx? Is Jimmy Foxx the best that you've got so far?

[Host or Panelist]

New album coming out. Darius Slayton.

[David]

That's not bad.

[Host or Panelist]

It's going Jordan Love, I think better.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is Darius Garland better than Darius Slayton? Darius is helping you here. The Darius is doing the lifting.

[Nick]

How do we feel about is good.

[Host or Panelist]

How do we feel about Zay Flowers?

[Tony]

That's good too.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good one.

[Nick]

I like say flowers. I've got Justin Champagne.

[Host or Panelist]

Jalen Hurts, his debut album, Love Hurts.

[David]

That's a good one.

[Show Host Dan Le Batard]

Jalen Hurts.

[David]

That's good. That's good. Not better than Luther Burton.

[Jeremy]

So wait a minute. You have Jalen Hurts and Kevin Love doing a duet of Love Hurts, a

[Dan Le Batard]

double album or Jordan Love is better than Kevin Love, isn't it?

[Host or Panelist]

How do we feel about Chuba Hubbard?

[Lourdes]

It's a damn think tank here.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think Chuba Hubbard works just Chuba reggae.

[Host or Panelist]

I feel Mike's eyes on me. What I do wrong there?

[Dan Le Batard]

He doesn't like your selection and it's a bad nominee.

[Jeremy]

Okay, yeah, let me get to something here. I don't know if you guys have seen Max Stru recently. Basically, Sam Merrill has taken his minutes in Cleveland.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know how you guys feel

[Jeremy]

in general about Cleveland.

[Dan Le Batard]

Boston wins last night against Phoenix. Boston.

[Jeremy]

Jayson Tatum has fit right in.

[Dan Le Batard]

Have they lost? Yeah, they lost by two against Oklahoma City since Tatum's return.

[Lourdes]

But Boston's lost more than once.

[Dan Le Batard]

Boston's not doing of regressing. Boston remains a very good team as Detroit struggles some as the.

[Jeremy]

The Knicks have done some struggling.

[Dan Le Batard]

They played five games in seven days. I don't think people know how tiring that is or care, but they hadn't been very good over some of that stretch. But Cleveland now has Max Stru returning and he was emotional because he's been gone.

[Jeremy]

How long Jeremy, has Max Stru been out?

[Nick]

Has he been like seven months and it wasn't anticipated to be like that. He hasn't played this season. He came back a couple of nights ago. It was his first game back. He hit six of seven threes. And this is a guy who really helped change their culture last year by bringing this type of attitude that he

[Max Strus (Interviewee)]

has the kind of Confidence you did tonight where you were able and willing to take shots early into shot clock and shot clock as well. What does that say about the confidence that you've been growing on the time that you've been away from the team? Excuse my language, but I worked my ass off.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was. Why'd you have to do that?

[Lourdes]

I'm sorry.

[Max Strus (Interviewee)]

No, it was a long road. But I only know one way to work, and that's as hard as possible. And I did that every single day. And tonight's. Tonight I'm just happy to be playing. I mean, I had a good night, but again, that doesn't matter.

[Lourdes]

Lost, so I love that.

[Host or Panelist]

That was nice.

[Lourdes]

People do not realize how hard players work to come back from injury. They just see them come back. Oh, he tore his Achilles. Oh, now Tatum's playing. No one talks about what they do. The hours and hours of rehab, the brutal rehab. You know why he's in tears? Because no one's paying attention. There's no cameras, there's no love. You do get paid, but it is hard.

[Eric]

I'm a huge Max Sch guy, Big fan of his. I think he's like one of the rare examples of guys that the heat developed, went on to sign a big inflation, and he. It proved dividends, like, right away. And he was a big part of their culture change.

[Host or Panelist]

What has Cleveland done to him, though?

[Eric]

This is all a setup to remind you in the audience that before their Game 5 elimination game against the Pacers, he sent a group text to the entire team. If you don't believe, then don't show up for work. And then max Schuss went 0 for 9 with 0 points.

[Host or Panelist]

He's wearing Cleveland, though. I don't want to look. Shame anyone, but terrible. This was one of the great looking guys. Can we put up a photo of him just a couple years ago? I mean, we have other photos.

[Lourdes]

Can't be a leader if you've gone over four at the plate. No, he went over nine from the field.

[Eric]

It's one of the. It's a funny story. All right, I like Max.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'll go a step further on this, okay? When David says people don't have any idea how hard these guys work, there's another couple of layers to this, okay? It's not merely that when you're injured to even your teammates, you become invisible. You cannot help them. You are an afterthought. You're always in the training room, so you are not a part of what they're doing. So that's element number one. The second element of this, you work as hard as you have your entire life to get where he has because he was cut by the Boston Celtics. He was rejuvenated here, but he's been hanging on to the fringes of the league. And you realize your mortality on how quickly your opportunity can be taken because Sam Merrill's taken all those threes now for the them and he is not been. He has not been a key contributor to anything they're doing this season. And then the third thing, and this is the one that's most troubling and I don't think anybody listening to this thinks of this. People in their early 30s having their bodies betray them when their bodies are the economy for their entire family. When the body is the only thing that makes them known to others. To have the body fall apart on you when you're relying on your body and then you have to work that way. I think injuries are part of the game, but I don't think fans consider any of that.

[Lourdes]

It's a big difference though, when you're injured in the middle of a guaranteed deal versus when you're injured as a free agent or without a team. When you're alone rehabbing. When you're part of a team, you're apart from the players, but you've got staff around and you've got the PayCheck coming every two weeks. When you're injured as a free agent or without team affiliation, that's a level of loneliness and a level of fear that's very different. And I assume Max was in the middle of a long term deal when he got injured.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, he is.

[Eric]

I like the R and B Singer game. Ruben Drones.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good one.

[Host or Panelist]

Roma Dunze.

[Dan Le Batard]

Keep it going here because there are any number of athletes that fit this description. But please put Max Strusz on the screen again, please, because he does look far different. And I don't know if you can go hair bun when you've got that aggressively receding a hairline. My mother had a huge crush on Max Strust. That made my father uncomfortable.

[Jeremy]

My father. We have somewhere. Get me that video. My father went to the arena with a chain like that video was somewhere

[David]

a two by four with a nail in it.

[Jeremy]

No, he was you. Donnis Haslam had to pull my father off of Max Struth because of the crush. My mother would not have a crush on this samurai. What's this hair bun situation? And what's this receding hairline situation?

[Lourdes]

Poppy was worried for real that Lourdes would Have an actual thing because that makes me smile. I think he'd love that.

[Dan Le Batard]

We've got to get that video of my father.

[Host or Panelist]

You call him Poppy a cuck.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lourdes]

No, I'm saying it's sort of fun to. If you.

[Tony]

If you want to.

[Lourdes]

If your wife can pull.

[Tony]

Don't ever call me a.

[Jeremy]

Well, didn't somebody call Mo Ali that early in the show?

[David]

Mo Ali talk.

[Jeremy]

Is that you, Tony?

[David]

No, impossible. Mo Ali. Sock. That's Jeremy.

[Jeremy]

That sounds like you, Tony.

[David]

Mo Ali. That's Jeremy.

[Tony]

I'm willing to think it's Jeremy.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Cause I make mistakes around here. Adding it to arbitration.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike Ryan, you missed the argument. The best I've seen so far between Tony and Jeremy. That started today's show. And Sampson was mentioning some of this on Nothing Personal. We are the show best equipped to tackle the subject matter of Donald Trump very cavalierly. Just sort of saying, yeah, I'll have

[Jeremy]

the honor of taking.

[Dan Le Batard]

Attacking Cuba and your thoughts as somebody who wasn't here for the middle of the argument on where it is that we find ourselves today. Where I believe the streets of Miami will rejoice the way Venezuelans did throughout Miami when we did what we did as a country to Venezuela. When the Cuban people stop suffering, I believe that there will be a great celebration in the streets when this regime falls. I cannot quite stomach this person's motives in being the one who gets the credit for finally bringing to freedom an island that's been rotting for 70 years.

[Eric]

Same. He's gotta get credit for it. And it'll justify, I think, what is very clearly a failing administration to a lot of Cuban American magas. They'll be able to overlook some heinous, corrupt stuff. And I think people on the left side of the political spectrum that I identify with that right now eat it. This will be a tremendous thing, a liberated Cuba. And I think it's a byproduct of what happened with Venezuela, as messy as that is right now. I know people are hopeful for free elections and regime change. Even though Donald Trump was confused as to the gender of the current leader of Venezuela. It's the right hand of Maduro and they're still in place. And the US has their oil cutting off that power spout. It's why all these Cuban special forces people were guarding Maduro. That was the final nail in the coffin. There is national power grid failure in Cuba. And now you have taken what precious little Human. Human. What am I looking for here? There is just a base level of life at Cuba that they're willing to suffer through. And being able to turn on the lights is one of them. It's one big checkbox.

[David]

Human necessity is what you're looking for.

[Eric]

Yes. Thank you. And they don't have that anymore. The people might literally tear what's left of the government to shreds if this continues much longer. They're just gonna tap out. This is a TKO. This is 60 years in the making. Donald Trump is fortunate enough to be in this place right now in history. And I'm really happy for the liberation of that island. I'm happy that it's happening in my lifetime. It's just a matter of time. And I'm not gonna give you some liberal spin on it. I'm worried about having this administration in place for such a pivotal time, given that Venezuela's a mess, or can be if we don't hit all our marks there. But it's better than what they had. And I'm honored and privileged to be alive to watch that regime fall or be choked out.

[Lourdes]

He's a full consequentialist. What he's saying is that it doesn't matter that the big orange buffoon, as you call him, is the leader of this. He's saying, I'm alive, and I'm so thankful and honored to be alive to watch this happen. The only mistake that Mike, you made there, in my opinion, is there's been four administrations in a row that could have argued that this is the moment. So there's stuff going on now for sure. But don't say that all of a sudden today there's something happening in the world. Cuba's been a Rotting island for 70 years.

[Eric]

There is something that Donald Trump did that fast forwarded this. So he's the one that is on the clock when it happens. And it was his actions in Venezuela. Venezuela was. Was propping up this island, and Donald Trump is there. Look, it might have happened over time. If Obama's plan for it was able to be seen through Donald Trump when he got into office, undid all of that. The crippling sanctions meant that there was only one country that was really booing Cuba, and it was Venezuela and was primarily Maduro that was doing it. When you eliminate Maduro, there's nothing left.

[Lourdes]

There were crippling sanctions all through my childhood.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Russia has helped Cuba before, too. But I would say, and this is more word of mouth than anything, because I have watched my mother go to the local places that would allow her to wire things to family in Cuba, swallowing it, eating it because she never knew whether it would get there, whether someone else would take it, whether they would take a percentage of it. This is the worst that it's been on the island in my lifetime in terms of them having nothing.

[David]

And that's. It's almost as bad as the collapse of the Soviet Union. That 100% crippled the, every single thing that they had on that island.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is worse.

[David]

They have no electricity, they have no food, they have no transportation, they have no medical care. They have literally nothing. So we talk about displacement. It's like displacing is almost, almost a good thing.

[Eric]

I'm just hopeful that people like Marco Rubio have the President's ear enough to make sure that, that when this change does happen, we don't it's done the right way. We don't leave them alone. Hell, we left Puerto Rico to their own devices and they're still trying to dig themselves out of disaster.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't want to skip past though the point that Jeremy is making, which I think is an important one given that I saw my family tells all the stories of displacement. My family had a home and then you go to not having a home

[Jeremy]

cuz they're putting up Trump hotels there. Like you can't trust these people to do this correctly.

[David]

Dan, they don't have homes now. The government owns them. They don't have power, they don't have anything.

[Eric]

I hear you. I don't like the guy. I'm worried about the Trump casinos on the Havana shoreline. But it's better than what they have right now.

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