Hour 1: Greg Toady (feat. Ron Magill)

Summary

Podcast Summary
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Hour 1 - "Greg Toady" (Feat. Ron Magill)
Date: March 11, 2026

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Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and company deliver their signature blend of animated sports talk, pop-culture banter, and local flavor. This episode is a jam-packed installment featuring animal expert Ron Magill on his widely-discussed retirement, the crew’s reactions to Miami Heat’s historic Bam Adebayo performance, a comedic detour into Greg Cody’s Caribbean misadventures, and fiery discussion about an embarrassing Team USA baseball blunder and major NFL trade drama.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Heat, Bam Adebayo’s 83, and Basketball Narratives

• Dan opens with Miami Heat chatter, referencing fan agitation about recent NBA developments and Bam Adebayo’s record night.
• Ethan Skolnick's take on NBA coverage: “There is some hatred of basketball that is polluting some of the coverage in a way that bothers me as someone who really loves basketball…” (03:00)
• Ron Magill's hot take: “Anyone who's trying to downplay that [Bam’s game] should be shot. I mean, this is a wonderful task…” (22:21)

2. Ron Magill’s Retirement—Legacy, Surprise, and Humility

• Dan confronts Ron over his “media farewell tour,” noting that Magill hasn't prioritized the show that helped build his platform.
  • “You are a media friend prostitute.” (04:17)
• Ron explains the overwhelming response: “I did not expect the overwhelming response...I come...and there's three live news trucks in front of the zoo. I’m panicking...And they just look at me and say, ‘For you, dummy.’” (06:15)
• Humility and discomfort with praise: “I get a lot of undeserved credit. I’m just…a storyteller, the story of the people you don’t see.” (08:12)
• Family values: “My dad always made me realize, listen, you’re not such a hot thing, ok?” (08:45)
• Dan underscores Magill’s unique place in South Florida: “There’s never been anything like you in the history of this city, and there never will be.” (07:33)

3. Animal Videos with Ron Magill: Science vs. Internet

• Snake Eating Itself: Ron explains why a kingsnake may accidentally consume its own tail due to feeding instincts—possibly even for a staged viral video. “Snakes are not necessarily the brightest bulb in the chandelier...” (10:02)
• Anemone Explainer: Ron breaks down how sea anemones work as shelter and toxin-producers in ocean ecosystems. “Anemones are toxic...some fish, like the clownfish, are immune...” (11:06)
• Birds of Prey & America’s Icon: Revisiting Ron’s infamous assertion: “the eagle is just a buzzard with a good PR agent.” Ron sticks to the bit: “It will always take the easy way out...the most eagles I’ve ever seen in my life were in Alaska on a dump site.” (15:58–16:29)
• Manatees in Florida: On their search for warmth: “These manatees instinctively go to these springs...because they’re very susceptible to cold. Cold can kill them, in fact.” (17:15)

4. Greg Cody’s Caribbean Correspondence

• Greg Cody reports in “live” from vacation, comically overwhelmed by the nonstop South Florida sports news. “Somebody told me Bam scored 83. I’m like, in a week, in three or four games? That’s pretty good…83 points in one game? Hey, okay.” (23:25)
• Anecdotes pile up: Greg’s “rum tour,” cruise ship rivalries, and past drunken exploits at Dan’s brother’s art exhibit (“He knocked a painting off the wall because he had so much to drink…” (24:56)) provide comedic interludes.

5. Team USA’s Baseball Fiasco: All-Time Blunder

• The crew skewer Team USA’s manager Mark DeRosa for not understanding World Baseball Classic elimination rules, likening it to unforgivable coaching errors.
  • Jeremy: “It seems as though they had no idea what the scenario was for them…” (30:27)
  • Dan: “This is a fireable offense…This kind of mistake on the national stage…feels to me…like Eric Spoelstra will regret that timeout…this is worse.” (32:11)
  • Mike Ryan: “Do you think it’s a huge red flag if I know the situation better than the manager?” (31:30)
• Comparisons to all-time coaching errors ensue, highlighting the magnitude of DeRosa's blunder.

6. Ravens, Raiders, and the NFL Trade Debacle

• The show analyzes the rescinded Max Crosby trade: Did the Ravens act dishonorably in backing out after the Raiders had spent money?
  • Dan: “You can get out of anything [before the new league year]…It’s just that nobody does that.” (41:44)
• Discussion covers medical “failures,” timing of free agency, and who actually won.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Le Batard: “You are a media friend prostitute.” (04:17)
• Ron Magill (about his retirement reaction): “All I can conclude is that it was a very, very, very slow news day.” (06:15)
• Dan, on Ron’s legacy: “There’s never been anything like you in the history of this city, and there will never again be anything like you in the history of this city.” (07:33)
• Ron Magill: “I get a lot of undeserved credit. I’m just…a storyteller, the story of the people you don’t see.” (08:12)
• Dan, on coaching mistakes: “This is a fireable offense...This kind of mistake on the national stage...is an incompetence so extreme and beyond my understanding.” (32:11)
• Ron Magill, on Team USA critics: “Anyone who’s trying to downplay that [Bam’s game] should be shot.” (22:21)
• Greg Cody, on Bam Adebayo: “83 points in one game? Hey, okay.” (23:25)
• Tony & Ron, on Dinosaur Documentaries:
  • Tony: “Everything dinosaur related is absolute hogwash.”
  • Ron: “When you come to color, when you come to sounds...they’re pulling it out of their butt.” (20:43–21:02)
• Comic relief:
  • Dan, about cruise ships: “Put it on the poll, please. Are the balconies on cruise ships private enough?” (24:56)
  • Mike Ryan, anti-puppet: “Not a puppet guy. Not at all a puppet guy here.” (27:16–27:27)

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Memorable Timestamps

• 03:00 – Basketball debate, evolution of the game, fan reactions
• 05:49–08:12 – Ron Magill’s humility and legacy talk
• 10:02 – Snake self-eating video and animal oddities
• 15:15 – Eagle/vulture debate, “PR agent” animal branding
• 17:15 – Manatees’ struggle for warmth in Florida
• 22:21 – Ron Magill’s exuberant defense of Bam’s record
• 23:25 – Greg Cody’s hilarious vacation check-in
• 30:27–33:17 – Epic roasting of Team USA baseball’s Mark DeRosa
• 41:44 – Analysis of Max Crosby trade fiasco and NFL business ethics

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Tone and Style

True to form, the hour mixes heartfelt local tributes (Ron Magill), irreverent riffing (Greg Cody’s stomach noises, cruise ship banter), and sharp sports criticism (Team USA, NFL trades), all delivered with the show’s trademark wit, Miami charm, and familial interplay. Ron Magill’s blend of science, humility, and storytelling shines as a highlight, contrasting with the crew’s relentless lampooning of sporting incompetence elsewhere.

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For Listeners: Why You Should Tune In

Whether you’re a South Florida sports junkie, an animal facts aficionado, or just in for the laughs, this episode packs heartfelt farewells, genuine sports insights, and classic ensemble chaos—all in a single, roaring hour.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

So the Heat are officially agitated by some of what's already happening on a fun night for Miami nationally. I have just gotten a text here. Hey, Kobe took the last 24 shots and wasn't criticized at the time. Don't know what would have happened if the Lizards it says Lizards here played basketball instead of mucking it up with five smalls, but their bigs couldn't guard Bam. Anyway, Bam probably earned more free throws based on how often he was fouled than he got in that game. And then I also got the tweet sent to me from Ethan Skolnick, who is speaking on behalf of the Heat fan base. There is no written my gimmick. There is no written rule. He's faster than you are. Tony, you're not.

[Tony]

He's closer to you. I have to press the button.

[Stugotz]

Whatever.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not because he's closer to me. It's because it's his gimmick and he's better. He's faster at it because he's sharpened it over the years. Ethan Skolnick.

[Ethan Skolnick]

Hold on a second. I'd like you to make the case how me being closer to him means because.

[Tony]

Because you don't have to put your finger on the button. I'm literally further away. It takes more time for it to reach my ears than it does your ears. That's science, buddy.

[Ethan Skolnick]

No way.

[Dan Le Batard]

No way. Minor penalty. Two minutes for a shit contribution.

[Tony]

It's geographic.

[Dan Le Batard]

Take the puppet with you. Take the puppet with you. Eth Skolnick writes. Mike's rage at the puppet is has overtaken the entire environment. There is no written rule in sports about who is worthy of breaking a record. Every player for the past 20 years has stepped on a court with a chance to score more than 81 points. One did in a win. Someone who's better at defense. If you can't celebrate that, stop watching. There is some hatred of basketball that is polluting some of the coverage in a way that bothers me as Someone who really loves basketball and doesn't mind it evolving into a different sport than it has been. But my rage is reserved for the man who presently joins us right now. Ron McGill has been making a farewell retirement tour on every media outlet known to man except the one that cares about him most. The this one right here. The people who support Ron McGill's endowment. And I don't mean to turn a syrupy, wonderful, nice thing into something that is filled with hot acid, but I am rabid with rage that Ron McGill has taken weeks and now is going to come on here and give us the same sound bites he's given everyone else about his emotional leaving in retirement of the zoo. Ron, instead of celebrating, you explain yourself.

[Ron McGill]

I just can't believe what I just heard. No, I'm serious. I can't believe what I just heard. I was out of town. I announced my retirement two weeks ago. Three weeks ago. I immediately went out of town with my wife. I was unavailable. I had an emergency procedure come up at the zoo, where I couldn't go on the last week, and we rescheduled for this week. But if you look in my retirement video, which, you know, first of all, I was not prepared for the reaction to this. I was thinking I was just making an announcement on my social media platform for my friends to know what was going on, and that was it. I did not expect the overwhelming response that came of it. And if you notice in that recording that I made, I think there is a picture of you there, Dan. I think there's a picture of you there where I'm specifically talking about people in the media who helped create the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that means Nothing. You have 400 people behind you in the media. Like, look at all those pictures behind you. That shrine to the media that has helped you, make you the legend that you are today. It doesn't mean anything to be one of your media friends. You have 7,000. You're a media friend, prostitute

[Ron McGill]

in that video. These people are not on that video. You're on that video. That's what a lot of people saw. A lot of people don't see that. They're not in my office. And I don't have a picture of you because I've asked for it many, many times, but you're just too good to send it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't have headshots. I'm not going to. It's not.

[Ron McGill]

Stop.

[Stugotz]

Headshots.

[Ron McGill]

Shut up. I don't have headshots. All these headshots. These are not all headshots. There's Some nice casual shots of just people that are my, you know, I thought were my friends.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look behind you. They're all shots. They're all glamour shots behind you of an assortment of media people.

[Ron McGill]

There's a lot of headshots there, I agree, but there's also some non headshots. It doesn't have to be exclusively a headshot, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, I am thrilled for you. I've known for a while that this has been in the works. I play on the front end with our most beloved figure here because you have been making the rounds and you have been tapping into some emotions, as you've said. That surprised you. I'm surprised though, that after all these years, you're surprised that people care about you. You care about the animals in an uncommon way and you're gonna be missed because you can't be replaced.

[Ron McGill]

Well, no, that's not true. First of all, I'm retiring from Miami Dade County. I'm not leaving the zoo because the Zoo Miami foundation has created this fantastic position for me that's gonna enable me to do all the things that I love to do. I'm gonna run the travel program, I'm gonna do the speaking engagements. I'm gonna work as an expert for the media without the bureaucracy and a lot of red tape that's normally associated with county government.

[Dan Le Batard]

And what has surprised you about the reaction?

[Ron McGill]

Just the extent of it. I mean, I came in the next morning, I made that announcement that evening, and then the next morning I come to the zoo. I get to the zoo at 6am every day. And I'm driving in and there's three live news trucks in front of the zoo. And I'm panicking. I'm thinking, oh my God, something got out. Something died, Somebody got hurt. What happened? And I drive up to one of the photos and I go, what are you guys here for? And he just looked at me without hesitation. He goes, for you, dummy. And I went, what? That didn't register to me. It really didn't register to me. All I can conclude is that it was a very, very, very slow news day. No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why do you do this? Can you guys help me with this? His self deprecation is charming, but self deprec. But come on, Ron, Ron, Ron. You're an icon in South Florida when you.

[Ron McGill]

No, I'm a fossil. I'm a fossil.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're that too.

[Ron McGill]

We've been around for 46 years.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're an iconic fossil. That's fine.

[Ron McGill]

I've been along for a long time. But if I have One more person come up to me and tell me how I went to their kindergarten class and they want to introduce me to their kids. I don't know how I'm going to deal with that, because, you know, there's that old saying that says, how old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? I'm in my mid-30s. I mean, but then I have these, you know, these adults with their own kids coming to them and telling their kids, oh, he went to my class when I was in kindergarten. And I'm like, that's hard for me to register. I don't understand that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ron, we are a transient community. We don't have very many South Florida icons. And you are somebody who reaches across multiple generations as someone who's associated not just with the zoo, but caring and decent to both animals and humans. There aren't a lot of people like that in South Florida, publicly or privately. And so I insist that you take this praise and this applause because people. People will miss you because you cannot be replaced. There's never been anything like you in the history of this city, and there will never again be anything like you in the history of this city.

[Ron McGill]

You're very kind, Dan. I really appreciate those words. I just don't. You know, like I said, I carry a chip on my shoulder for a long time because I get a lot of undeserved credit. I'm just. I tell people I'm a storyteller, the story of the people you don't see. I know because I used to be one of those people. You know, the irony of life is that I'm here now. I have a nice office. I get a very nice paycheck, and I work less hard than I did when I was out there with a wheelbarrow and a rake in the rain, picking up crap and dumping it in dumpsters and not getting any kind of recognition for anything when I was, in fact, doing the work that was making people like me in the office get all the credit that they don't deserve. And that's kind of a juxtaposition that bothers me. So it's a. It's a hard time for me to accept this praise when really I'm just a storyteller now. Now, I really appreciate that. I mean, I really profoundly appreciate the love. You know, people come up to me and they want to take a picture and stuff. And people ask me, does it bother you when people do that? Let me ask you something. Would it bother anybody to have someone come up to you say, can I take a picture with you? I mean, that's like the greatest compliment you can have that people even know who you are. So that, that for me, it's just hard for me to take because I come from a very kind of humble family where my dad always made me realize, listen, you're not such a hot thing, okay? He said, you're very smart, but you're no better than anybody else. And that was raised that way.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, he was half right. You're not that smart. So let's play some videos here for Ron McGill that we have. We have first and perhaps you can explain this. I. A snake is eating itself and it ends up regurgitates when something, when hand sanitizer is. Is put on it. So can you explain to me why it is that the snake arrives at eating itself and what happens here that the hand sanitizer makes it uncoil?

[Ron McGill]

That's a kingsnake. And kingsnakes regularly feed on other snakes. Now, snakes are not necessarily the brightest bulb in the chandelier. It may have had a feeding reaction and caught its own tail. Tail by mistake and just instinctively started swallowing its own tail. It also could have been purposely fed its own tail by the person trying to make the video who wants clicks from people like you who are going to put it on the air so it gets more of the hits that it wants. So I take all of this stuff with a grain of salt. Now, having said that, kingsnakes are snake eaters. They feed on other snakes. And it's not incomprehensible that it would mistakenly see its tail and bite its tail and start feeding on the tail.

[Dan Le Batard]

But would it die that way? Would it keep going?

[Ron McGill]

It would die. It wouldn't die. It wouldn't die. It would eventually regurgitate. That when it realized, I can't, I can't eat this, it would eventually regurgitate.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's play another video here for Ron and you guys. Please do some play by play on this. Ron, this is not. You have told us before that the sea is not an area of expertise for you. But regardless, do some play by play here that you. If you can.

[Ron McGill]

Okay, I give it my best shot. Ah, it's a type of anemone. It's so it's kind of dancing through the ocean. They're looking for another host to launch itself, to latch itself onto because these anemones need to find a coral, some type of foundation to latch itself onto. And that's what it's doing right now. That's its way of swimming to find another location that it will eventually latch onto and then grow onto that coral and be homes for things like clownfish and other animals that use anemones as kind of a base for their home. Because anemones are toxic, they have a toxin in them. And some fish, like the clownfish, are immune to those toxins. So the clownfish go in there and they're protected by the anemone so they're not eaten by other fish that are not immune to those toxins and are afraid of the anemone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you explain to people what an anemone is?

[Ron McGill]

An anemone is a type of invertebrate that lives in the ocean that. I don't know how to explain it. It's a living thing that's in the ocean that feeds on fish, feeds on different types of, you know, animals in the ocean that swim by will go into the anemone and then there's toxins in those little tentacles that kill the fish and consume the fish. But the anemone doesn't swim. It has to lure them in there. So it does so with those tentacles. Fish are curious. They look to feed in there. The tentacles grab it. Now, animals like the clownfish have an immunity to those toxins and hence use the anemone as a safe space where it can hide in there, not be affected by the, the, the toxins and not be eaten by other fish that would be affected by the toxins.

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard the elephant went into a 711 and bought a pack of cigarettes. But my question to Ron is this.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to, did it? We all just stared at it. This is the Don lebatar show with the Stugach you have alleged before, quite controversially that the eagle is just a buzzard with a good PR e. A good PR Agent. Yes, A vulture with a good PR Agent. Let's play this video of an eagle and see if you want to retract your statement. Because this eagle is going into the water with its claws and very efficiently, you know, very efficiently grabbing a fish. And that's fairly amazing right there. Those are, those are hard to catch.

[Ron McGill]

They're not. They're not easy to catch. And I'm not to say that the eagle is not a good hunter when it needs to be. However, it will always take the easy way out.

[Ethan Skolnick]

Yeah, a little small.

[Ron McGill]

It will always take the easy way out in the sense that it would rather get a fish that's dead on the shore. It would rather steal the fish from another bird or rather find itself at a dump site where it could eat trash. The most eagles I've ever seen in my life were in Alaska on a dump site where there were 200 plus eagles eating trash off of the dump.

[Tony]

Ron, you know what that looks like to me? America Jack? A nice bald eagle flying through the sky, getting a fish that I thought was gonna be a lot bigger. When he pulled it out, by the way, I was expecting like a salmon, like the, like the grizzly bears get in the wild.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the. What is the heaviest fish that a bird of prey can get out of the water? What, what is the greatest thing that you've seen in that regard?

[Ron McGill]

I mean, I, I've seen eagles and ospreys get fish, you know, three, four pounds out of the water. And that's a lot when you consider the bird itself only weighs maybe seven or eight pounds.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's study some manatees here with Ron McGill, shall we? I'd like to see some moments here between manatees. They are. Got a ton of them here in South Florida. What's happening here, Ron?

[Ron McGill]

What's happening here? This is probably a Crystal river or one of those places that has a natural spring that provides warm water during the cold streaks. When we have our cold fronts come through Florida, these manatees instinctively go to these springs. They'll go to places like fpnl, some of the nuclear plants. They're send out the warm water. They all go to get the warm water because they're very susceptible to cold. Cold can, can stun them, can kill them, in fact. So during cold streaks, you will see these manatees literally congregate, sometimes in the hundreds. I know at Crystal River, I was there once when There was over 400 manatees, all congregated in this one river where all this warm water is coming out. And that's what they're there for. They're there to get the warm water that they need to survive.

[Tony]

Ron, in hot days. Are they looking for cold water? And if so, there's been times where people that I've seen, not that I have done it myself, people that I've seen have given them water out of La Mangueira on their face to like, because they're. They're in this hot canal in the Keys or whatever, and it's like, here's a little.

[Dan Le Batard]

They love the hoses.

[Ron McGill]

They love the water, but they're not loving the hoses to cool them off. They're loving the hoses for the fresh water to drink. That's what.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is this a romantic moment here between manatees? What is happening here?

[Ron McGill]

I am not sure what's happening there. No, it's not necessarily a romantic moment. It's certainly a meeting moment, kind of, you know, recognizing each other, trying to figure out who each other is. But it's not a romantic moment. Romantic gets a little bit more involved.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's play a sound here for Ron and have him guess the animal.

[Ron McGill]

That's it. That's what you're giving me.

[Dan Le Batard]

What do you think that animal looks like? Just keep playing it for me.

[Ron McGill]

That's not long enough to tell me anything. It almost sounds like a dog barking. But I couldn't tell you what that is

[Dan Le Batard]

if you had to take a guess. That wasn't a dog. Go ahead and go through the animal kingdom and see what it is that you find. Just the size of the animal.

[Ron McGill]

Could be a toad. It could be. Could be. Have no idea what that it sounds like. Like I said, some type of toad or something like that. It could be. It could be breeding leopards, you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is Greg Toti. That is the stomach of Greg Toady after he has not eaten for 16 hours and has just been having a lot of coffee. It's how a show ended the other day. It was his stomach.

[Ron McGill]

I just threw up a little in my mouth. That's disgusting.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right? It's. It's strange that he would not eat anything for 16 hours and then have two thermoses full of coffee and be surprised when his stomach starts making those sounds.

[Ron McGill]

Yeah. What's strange is that it's recorded. That's what's strange, Ron.

[Tony]

You know what's strange that is recorded that people are really just taking liberties with, and I don't really like it. Have you heard about this new Dinosaur show with Morgan Freeman. I think Spielberg has. Has touched it a little bit.

[Ron McGill]

I heard about it. I haven't seen it, but I heard about it.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Tony]

What I'm done with is these people. Anybody in the scientific community thinking they know what happened 265 million years ago. Oh, this is how they would eat. This is how they walked. The T. Rex actually didn't sound like that. It sounded more like a frog. Like, you people have no idea what you're talking about. Everything dinosaur related is absolute hogwash. Ron McGill, 6,000 years old. Thank you, Mike. 6,000, actually.

[Ron McGill]

You know, Tony, I'm with you on most of that. You know, there are some bases on how they can figure out how a dinosaur may have walked just by the skeletal structure and how they can compare it to skeletal structures of today's animals. But when you come to color, when you come to sounds. No, I'm with you. I mean, that's all strictly guessing. They're pulling it out of their butt.

[Tony]

It was like, oh, this is the mating dance. It's like you have seven bones of the animal. How the frick do you know?

[Ron McGill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Tony. I'm with you. But, you know, people are interested in that kind of stuff, so they'll keep throwing it out there. So they keep getting the clicks, buddy.

[Dan Le Batard]

I am hopeful that Ron will be around here even more and that we will be doing even more with him in retirement. He's not going anywhere. To this show and the love that he has for his fans and the love they have for him. A reminder, if you want to celebrate A retiring Ron McGill, his endowment. The charity is supported by our fans and his fans through this show more than it is anywhere else. And he is now going to be running that endowment basically full time. So he's gonna be concentrating on.

[Ron McGill]

Look at that. Damn, That's a long time ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Using your money to buy himself a Cadillac and fancier clothes and go to New York vacations with his wife. He laughs in your face at your charity because he is a shameless criminal. Thank you, Ron. We appreciate your time. Congratulations on your retire. It's been earned. You deserve to rest a little bit and concentrate only on the things that you love the most.

[Ron McGill]

Thank you, Dan. Thank you, guys. We'll talk to you soon.

[Dan Le Batard]

What did you think of Bam's 83 last night, Ron?

[Ron McGill]

I thought they were freaking phenomenal. I thought it was fantastic. And, you know, anybody who's trying to downplay that should be shot. I mean, this is a wonderful task in the sense that, you know, nobody since Wilt has done that. He beat Kobe. I mean, come on, this is. It's a huge thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Should be shot.

[Jeremy]

He couldn't be more right about this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Anyone who said so, wait a minute. So you would have no problem. You would defend me and you would come to court if I just wander around Miami right now. And anyone who was criticizing them, I just shot them with a water pistol. See you later, Ron. Good talk to you. Can I get that Greg Cody video again? As he's bothered by his neighbors because he's not filming this himself. He's. He's picked a terrible, terrible week to leave. Okay, the Dolphins have a new quarterback. Bam scores 83. Max Crosby's trade is rescinded. The Italians beat the Americans because the American manager didn't know that it was a game that would have possibly cost them elimination. And here's Greg Cody commenting from Barbados.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so I'm on vacation in the Caribbean, and all kind of stuff keeps happening in South Florida sports. Stop it. I'm on a beach in Tortola, British Virgin Islands, and I find out that the canned tula, canned tuna and sign Malik Willis the Dolphins have. And now we're docking in Barbados, rum capital of the world. We'll be doing some rum later today on a beautiful rum tour. There's a rival cruise ship in the background. Anyway, now we're pulling into Barbados, and all anybody's talking about is Bam Adebayo scoring 83 points. Somebody told me Bam scored 83. I'm like, in a week, in three or four games. That's pretty good. 83 points in one game. Hey, Okay. Oh, okay.

[Ron McGill]

No, no, that's.

[Stugotz]

That's okay. Those are. Those are our friends from the suite next door. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. After three, four games, South Florida sports quit doing things that are newsworthy while I'm on vacation. Have a little respect. They haven't had a bio. Of all people scoring 83 points, more than Michael Jordan ever did, more than LeBron James. It's just insane. Anyway, I'll be drinking some rum today while things keep happening in South Florida sports.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. Are the balconies on cruise ships private enough? And also, as it relates to him rumming and his stomach rumbling, he's gonna have so much rum today that his stomach is gonna be making sounds like that. And Zaslow. I'm not making this up. When I say my brothers, my late brothers, very first art exhibit. Greg Cody, an adult, a responsible adult. Didn't Know that you have to have the beer after the liquor. He had a bunch of wine after the beer. And at my brother's very first art exhibit, he knocked a painting off the wall because he had had so much to drink, and he's now headed toward a bunch of rum and what. What?

[Tony]

Tony, you know, come on. We talked about. We talked to Ron. He's deserved this beautiful retirement and, you know, embezzling our money and all that stuff, right? Correct. Greg Cody deserves a little bit of run on, you know, in Tortuga or wherever he was.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's Barbados. It's not Tortuga.

[Tony]

The other one, Tortellini or wherever he was.

[Dan Le Batard]

Spanish tortellini, whatever.

[Tony]

If you play, you play the other one from yesterday. I don't even know what he was saying.

[Mike Ryan]

He's in the United States of Tortorella.

[Ethan Skolnick]

Why is the other ship a rival?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, any ship that's a competing cruise line would be the rival to the business. It's a cutthroat industry. How are you guys just bypassing the fact that one of my friends at my brother's exhibit. These are. These are things that are supposed to be at least a little formal. Couldn't. An adult couldn't drink correctly enough to not knock one of the paintings off of the wall because he didn't bump into it like graze against it with his shoulder. He was over there fiddle faddling around and knocked the painting off like fiddle faddling.

[Ron McGill]

It felt good when we said it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I also said manatees at one point. Mike, explain your feelings about the puppet. The puppet is great, and I love Tony's use of the puppet today. And the puppet does indeed look like me. Although we have to do something about how gray that beard is. We have to darken some of it. That hair came in gray and now has been darkened. What are your feelings in general about the puppet?

[Mike Ryan]

My feelings have been made known. Not a.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not.

[Mike Ryan]

Not the puppet guy. Not. Not at all a puppet guy here. Although Tony is doing a pretty good job with it in other rooms.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you, Tony. I appreciate you taking control of the puppet because I eventually want that puppet to be the inner monologues inner monologue. I want it to react to what it is that Mike does as the inner monologue and argue with the inner monologue.

[Tony]

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[Dan Le Batard]

LeBatard I think I would have been on his side. I would have looked at you like, what did you say?

[Jeremy]

I'm telling you, me rest of the

[Ethan Skolnick]

way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating.

[Dan Le Batard]

St like, you got your ass. I think he got your ass.

[Jeremy]

I got his ass way Chris. Chris won this one for sure. Not pathetic Bally Jeremy, it was great.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the D ler show with the sts. From the other things that happened yesterday. Okay, what is, what is the proper amount of attention for me to give the United States losing to Italy and the manager not knowing what the rules are?

[Ethan Skolnick]

Well, it depends a little bit on what happens tonight. Like, depending on what happens.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mexico is favored to beat the US

[Mike Ryan]

Favored to beat Italy. But they as long as they score more than five runs, they'll be good. But I mean, scoring runs against Italy. Like, it seemed like the US Struggled with that for a long stretch there. Right now the US is plus 275 to not advance. The last time I checked the line. I mean, I may have ptsd, but in international competition when the United States needs Mexico to help them out, they don't tend to do that.

[Jeremy]

It's crazy because they seem to really think they clinched the night before. Like, DeRosa was talking before the game. Like, oh, there's some guys who were dragging. They stayed up late. He went on one of the MLB Network shows and was talking about how, you know, they were going to try to get some other guys playing time.

[Ethan Skolnick]

Well, the manager saying they've clinched is a dead giveaway.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

And, and by the way, in the, in the post game press conference, Jeremy, he admitted that he got the calculations wrong. It was his direct quote.

[Jeremy]

He said he misspoke and then said he got the Calculations wrong, and then said he misspoke again.

[Ethan Skolnick]

So there's two very different things.

[Jeremy]

Those are two totally different things. It seems as though they had no idea what the scenario was for them. And now they're in a position where if Mexico wins the game today and scores four or fewer runs, the United States will not advance, and it will

[Dan Le Batard]

be Mexico and Italy in our national pastime. I am looking at Mark DeRosa here, and let's hear real quick what it is that he had to say to explain himself.

[Ron McGill]

Yeah, I misspoke.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was on hot stove with a couple buddies today and completely misread. Misread the calculations. We knew that Mexico was going to play Italy, and then running all the numbers with. If we lost tonight with the runs allowed and runs scored and outs, so I. I just misspoke.

[Mike Ryan]

I. I don't believe him at all. Yeah, I. I don't even understand what he's saying there. He's. He's saying two different things. I. The way that they approached the game from their lineup to, like, what they were doing in the game, the lack of urgency was crazy.

[Ethan Skolnick]

Is that true? Like their. Their lineup was. Would portray it to be.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what he said. He said he was gonna play people he wouldn't normally play.

[Mike Ryan]

Knowing where I am with the sport of baseball right now, do you think it's a huge red flag if I know the situation better than the manager?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I'm gonna go a step further on this. Okay. If you've been listening to this show for a while, you know that I very infrequently fire people. I very infrequently make the consequences so strong on mistakes that the shame isn't enough as a punishment. This is a fireable offense. I'm not even kidding you. This kind of mistake on the national Stage from Mark DeRosa feels to me in the realm, Tony, of what it is. I've said that Eric Spoelstra will regret that timeout that he didn't have to cost them a Pistonist.

[Jeremy]

I thought you were gonna fire him again like you did last week against the Pistons.

[Dan Le Batard]

I believe that that will haunt Eric Spoelstra for the rest of his life. I believe it's something that creeps into his sleep and affects it. The fact that at the end of a game, he called a timeout he did not have and cost his team a game against the Pistons. And this is worse. This. This is worse. Like, I'm trying to think in the hypothetical, go ahead if we want to have another goat Conversation. Most egregious mistake ever made by someone in charge in sports like this by itself. Not knowing that you're playing in a game that might get you eliminated cuz you think you've already advanced to the next round. Is an incompetence so extreme and beyond my understanding. Like I really don't get. Like he's sitting here saying I misspoke about the numbers. Like they're so complicated. It's math. It's addition, it's count up the runs. It's not some formula that he's doing that requires computer coding.

[Tony]

He said about outs too. Like, is outs part of the metrics? Like, we didn't have enough outs this game.

[Jeremy]

Like what?

[Ethan Skolnick]

The only one that I could think of to compare would be J.R. smith in the finals thinking that they were ahead.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, but I'm talking about a leader. A leader's job is to lead a player. A player can make. That's a great one. Obviously forgetting the score. But now imagine a coach doesn't know what the score is.

[Ron McGill]

Just one of those run of the

[Mike Ryan]

mill world baseball classics with Team usa, we just do this ho hum every day.

[Ron McGill]

We.

[Mike Ryan]

We. So much so that we don't know the situation. It's like, do you have a coaches meeting? Do you talk about the tournament before?

[Stugotz]

So this is Grady Little not taking out Pedro Martinez.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is so much worse than that.

[Ron McGill]

This is so much worse.

[Jeremy]

So much worse.

[Dan Le Batard]

Trusting Pedro Martinez, I can get behind that seems easy.

[Jeremy]

Well, they almost went to Clayton Kershaw in the eighth inning. He's there basically as an honorary member.

[Mike Ryan]

He's a vibes guy.

[Tony]

He's a coach.

[Dan Le Batard]

He retired.

[Mike Ryan]

He's not supposed to be there. They were gonna put in a vibes guy.

[Jeremy]

It was, it was late in the game. It was the eighth inning and they're warming up Clayton Kershaw and everyone's. Everyone watching is like, is this for real?

[Mike Ryan]

Do they not know what's going on? I had to Google if my brain was wrong.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Because I'm like, surely I must be wrong here because I'm taking this way more seriously than the manager.

[Ethan Skolnick]

You know about that. Wrong brain.

[Stugotz]

So this is Pete Carroll going pass instead of rush with Marshawn lynch in the Super Bowl.

[Mike Ryan]

You're not good at this game. You're just, you're just rattling individual mistakes.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can defend all of those. When you mentioned. Really?

[Ron McGill]

You can defend that one?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I can, I can defend. Look, it wouldn't be a good defense. It can be defended. Like you're trying to Surprise them with a pass. Even though you have Marshawn Lynch. How do you defend this?

[Mike Ryan]

Roy Bellamy bad at this game.

[Dan Le Batard]

You mentioned Kershaw. Kershaw didn't know, famously did not know that the Dodgers had won the World Series. Like, he was confused by. At the end of that game, he was confused. Game seven, he did not know that they had won. He thought that. Can you get me the details on this? What he thought versus what it is that happened? Because I'm saying that with Kershaw, he's old enough that that's just simple senility. That is cognitive decline. He is that old. He was going to be brought in. The gal was so spent by the end of last season, he might as well have been the statue that they're going to erect for him.

[Jeremy]

He was warming up in the bullpen, and he thought that a run had scored on a double play earlier in the inning. So as a result, he's warming up. The game ends and he's still warming up because he has no idea that

[Dan Le Batard]

they just won the World Series and they almost. They were going to put him in the game last night. I'm telling you that I'm having a hard time. Roy is terrible at this game, but I'm not any better at it in that. Off the top of my head. And please just look this up. I'm sure there are many lists everywhere. Most boneheaded decisions made by someone in sports leadership all time. Because this won't be. This won't be remembered that way. Because people don't care about this the way that they care about their own teams. But if this was something that happened, I don't know, in the playoffs, like, in, like, I don't. I don't even know how it is. You arrive at the manager not knowing what the stakes of a game are when he's playing it. Like, it is the equivalent of somebody playing in a playoff game and thinking it's a regular season game. Like, not a manager not understanding that

[Tony]

he's in the playoffs, like, chasing the regular season. You're in the wild card. You're in that last little playing game, and you're like, no, I think we're good. And he's like, whoa, wait, hold. We got one more cake. We got to play.

[Jeremy]

Would be the. The nine seed in the play in game, in the NBA, in the play in going, oh, but if we lose this one, we play again, right?

[Mike Ryan]

It's like 10,000 spoons when all you

[Dan Le Batard]

need is a knife, a fly in your chardonnay. I Don't think it's that, Jeremy, because a nine seed isn't likely to win at all.

[Mike Ryan]

Jeremy can tell you you can get close.

[Jeremy]

An eight seed got there.

[Dan Le Batard]

A nine seed isn't the Americans overall. So I misspoke earlier and I said that Mexico was favored against America when Mexico is favored against Italy. We just got the calculations wrong. I misspoke. Can you guys tell me whether or not the Americans are or were favored at the start of this tournament? Was it the Dominican?

[Stugotz]

Yes, they were.

[Ron McGill]

No, no.

[Mike Ryan]

The Americans were not even. Even Money.

[Jeremy]

It was USA Dr. Japan and then Venezuela. And it's remained that case until now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, the other thing that's interesting about this is that this doesn't get to be the level of historic boneheaded until the next game is played. Because if they actually get eliminated for this, do you retroactively get insanely mad in a historical stain for Mark deros? You're going to associate his name with this particular mistake instead of his major league careers as like, where and how does this stick?

[Ethan Skolnick]

I don't know that people care enough. I think the people around Team USA are going to know and remember. Do I think the average baseball fan is like, oh, that dummy Mark DeRosa? I don't think so.

[Mike Ryan]

How pumped was he to see Bam get 83 last night? Because I. You swap all the first take topics about BAM with Mark DeRosa.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mark DeRosa is sitting there in his hotel room. Yeah, Raiders. Way to go. Raiders. Way to do that.

[Mike Ryan]

And locally, the Wizards or the Lizards are just as pumped about the Max Crosby development. There's just a whole bunch of people holding up meat shields.

[Dan Le Batard]

So next play on what it is that's going to happen here with Crosby because, Zaz, I think a lot of people, okay, enjoy NFL free agency. And I don't think in all of the transactions and movement that there's been over the last 10 days that there was anything bigger than Max Crosby being traded to the Ravens. Max Crosby, 28 years old, in his prime, a very good pass rusher. And the Ravens doing something they never do, which is trading future capital for today. It's just not the way they've ever run their organization philosophically. But they thought this pass rusher was so important and they thought their defense was so bad last year that they need to get the, you know, MVP of the league or a someone who's been the MVP of the league help immediately.

[Ethan Skolnick]

They may also feel like their clock's kind of ticking.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, because of that, because of wherever it is that look The Ravens are behaving the way the Rams are with Stafford because they're like, we've got to win now, and we think we're a piece away. So they pivot off of Max Crosby, who Jerry Jones was also interested in, and now they go to Trey Hendrickson, which was the best available other option you have to pay him. And it. It doesn't cost you. Paying him is different than costing you the kind of draft capital that Max Crosby was going to cost you. So it's just salary cap as opposed to future that you're trading for him. But the mechanics of what just happened. Why are the Ravens more aggressively in on pass rusher than anyone else in the sport when Jerry Jones also wants a pass rusher? How is Jerry Jones finishing second on both of guys? Because I think now Max Crosby is indeed damaged goods. Right. You can have happen to you with Max Crosby what just happened to the packers with Micah Parsons. It's a dangerous game. You're trading for your last piece, and then your last piece gets injured and you're bleeped.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I wish I could catch up to the news cycle on this because Adam Schefter is doing a lot of reporting on this. Around the league, the Ravens reputation has taken a hit. Yeah, this is considered a bush league move. I know these tests. There isn't a standardized physical across the NFL.

[Stugotz]

No.

[Ethan Skolnick]

It's just based on a team's satisfaction.

[Ron McGill]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a subjective thing. And there are a lot of teams that are taking issue with this right now.

[Tony]

And you don't think that the Ravens and an NFL franchise have a million ways to go, find further medical details on knees, on elbows, on ankles, whatever it is. Right. And you have two firsts that are going out the door, and they're like, man, Trey Hendrickson, the numbers are probably about the same. We don't have to really do that. That let's rescind the trade and go sign him instead of giving away draft. Bush league.

[Mike Ryan]

Zaz, One of the things that plays into this being considered as bush league is they made that trade a few days ago. The NFL free agency cycle just started, and the Raiders had.

[Ethan Skolnick]

That's the most interesting part.

[Mike Ryan]

The Raiders had a bunch of money to spend.

[Ethan Skolnick]

That's the most interesting part, is all these guys that the Raiders signed, I don't think they could sign them anymore.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, here's one of the things that's happened that I don't think people pay attention to because of the clerical stuff and the places where honor in business is supposed to reside. This is the danger of doing stuff before the NFL calendar year has begun. The only way that these things actually become official transactions is when both people submit. Both teams submit all paperwork to the league offices. You can get out of anything before that. It's just that nobody does that. And to your point about doctors, the doctor can concoct any reason to make someone fail a physical. He's coming off a knee surgery. He can't play football right now. Now he's going to fail. At this point, I would take a test at a doctor's office that would make my body more functional for football than Max Crosby's body. And a doctor can say that what the Raiders did is just accuse the Ravens of dishonor. But they win. They win because now they don't give up the draft picks. They get the same kind of player, and all they had to do was give up money for it.

[Stugotz]

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