Hour 1: Lucy Rohden vs. Working Here (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: Lucy Rohden vs. Working Here (feat. Lucy Rohden)
Date: September 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode kicks off college football season with Lucy Rohden returning on the road for another year of her signature “off-roading” coverage. The panel broadcasts from Columbus, Ohio before a mammoth Texas–Ohio State matchup, and launches into a raucous, wide-ranging discussion about college football’s wild headlines: Michigan’s recent scandal and punishment, Alabama’s shocking setback under new leadership, the curious fortunes of Bill Belichick in college football, and Miami’s bounce-back victory. Along the way, the crew savor classic traditions, inside jokes, and the unpredictable chaos of college sports—especially as Lucy revels in still having her job for a third season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Lucy’s Return and the Off-Roading Experience

• Lucy Rohden expresses surprise at still being employed and embarking on another year of college football coverage.
  • "I am just as shocked as you all are. I still work here. Who knew? ...Not only do I still work here, they're letting me do this for a third year." (02:00)
• The team is in Columbus for the Texas–Ohio State opener, but jokes about being denied press credentials.
• Lucy shares her favorite aspect of traveling: “the little moments and communities” that define college football (04:27), including attending a 30-year tailgate tradition—complete with a quirky donut-and-drink initiation.

Tailgate Initiation & Mishaps

• The group participates in a comically ceremonial donut dunking at “J Back in Day Olds” tailgate, only for a recording snafu to force Lucy to repeat the ritual—leading to a lighthearted “punishment” for her teammate Rose.
• "Because I had to eat two soggy donuts, Rose has to drink the soggy donut water. Look at this." (05:16)

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Michigan’s Scandal and Penalties

• Lucy presses Dan about Michigan’s recent scandal and insufficient punishment, setting off a passionate exchange:
  • Lucy: “Did Michigan get away with it?” (02:32)
  • Dan: "Absolutely, they got away with it. $20 million is not even close to a significant amount of money for them... That's just Michigan. Michigan always." (02:39)
  • Lucy: "What would have been fair?" (02:55)
  • Dan: "Vacate all the wins in the national championship and the three wins against us... I’m not sure about the death penalty.” (02:58, 03:04)
  • Lucy (joking): “Actual death penalty for Jim Harbaugh?” (03:07)
  • Dan: “Harbaugh should get punished in the NFL for just running away from your scandal.” (03:09)
• The panel skewers Michigan’s righteous reputation and Harbaugh’s perceived hypocrisy.

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The Arch Manning Question

• Overhype or Proper Hype for College Football’s “It” QB
  • Lucy: “Is Arch Manning properly hyped, overly hyped, under hyped?” (03:24)
  • Despite Dan’s defense (“I do love Arch Manning... he’s got the stuff.”), most raise their hands for “overrated.” (03:37)
  • Mike Ryan: “He’s proved nothing so far except his name.” (03:42)
  • Dan: “You’re not gonna come out into the shoe Big Noon, biggest game of the year, and not be rattled.” (03:44)

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Offbeat College Football Traditions

• Lucy quizzes the Miami-centric crew on Buckeye facts and pokes fun at their lack of local knowledge (“Do you know what a Buckeye is? ...Not an animal. Buckeye is a nut”). (04:11–04:17)
• The Lee Corso legacy and the goofy headgear tradition are celebrated as classic college football quirks (05:44).

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Alabama’s Big Fall: DeBoer’s Rocky Start

• Major focus on Alabama’s humbling loss and the challenges for new coach Kaylin DeBoer
  • Lucy: “Alabama losing the way they did is far and away the most interesting storyline of this weekend...The way they were absolutely out-physicaled, out-coached... It was an embarrassing loss.” (08:20)
  • The panel considers whether DeBoer was set up to fail after Saban, and how NIL competition has changed recruiting dynamics.

    “Since Kaylin DeBoer took over at Alabama, they’ve never had a game where Alabama was the less penalized team... That’s stuff that Nick Saban does.” – Lucy (11:03)

  • Dissects how Alabama’s notorious discipline and physical edge have disappeared under DeBoer, fueling schadenfreude among rival fans.
  • Zaslow: “Is that all of college football laughing under its breath at Alabama, just tired of getting its ass kicked by Alabama for 17 years?” (12:57)
  • Buyout speculation: DeBoer’s is a staggering $70 million, making instant firing unlikely despite fan outrage. (12:43–13:15)

    "You take that Alabama job, you understand ... there’s no wiggle room. ...You have to succeed right away." – Lucy (13:15)

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The Bill Belichick “Experiment” & Fallout

• Bill Belichick’s disastrous college debut with North Carolina is compared (gleefully) to Alabama’s collapse.
• Skip Bayless' tweet about Belichick's “national championship offense” (18:21) is mercilessly mocked after UNC's epic flop.
  • Lucy: “You are the oldest coach in all of college football trying to relate to 18 year olds. ...This isn't going to work.” (18:53)
  • Dan: “He’s been nasty for years... I love what I watched last night.” (19:46)
  • Lucy: “If this is how he’s choosing to end his career, then fine, take the consequences.” (20:27)
• Extensive debate over how his UNC tenure might (or might not) tarnish his legacy, especially compared to Tom Brady's post-Patriots success.
  • Fellow Panelist: “The lead story of ... his obituary is six-time Super Bowl winner. North Carolina is maybe lower in the story.” (22:02)
  • Mike Ryan: “But if this can't tarnish legacy, then legacy cannot be tarnished... the stats of him with Tom Brady and apart from Tom Brady are jarring.” (22:37)
• Comedy moment: Belichick releases a “depth chart” with no player names—an empty misdirection move, met with the panel’s mockery. (29:08)

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Miami Hurricanes’ Big Win Over Notre Dame

• Miami’s disciplined, physical win gets focus, with more optimism than complaints—though conservative play-calling is debated.
  • “We saw how Miami will win and we saw how Miami will lose... those teams ...have not been that. ...That team would have played with anyone.” – Dan (31:10, 35:22)
  • Zaslow lauds Miami’s newly-found discipline, recounts previous seasons marred by meltdowns from lack of poise. (32:39–34:44)
  • Discussion about Mario Cristobal’s decision-making and the risks of conservative strategy—even when justified by improved defense.
    • Dan: “I would have rather not kicked a 47 yard field goal... these kickers miss from everywhere.” (37:56)
    • Zaslow: “That kick also would have been good from 65.” (38:06)
    • Mike Ryan: “If he misses it and Notre Dame comes back and scores, you guys would be so confused about how Miami lost.” (42:16)
  • Final word: “If you want to go at Mario Cristobal for being conservative ...then give him credit for having that defense that was atrocious last year win the game.” – Zaslow (41:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lucy on precarious employment:

  "Even better to still have a job. Cause that was up in the... I didn't know. I really didn't know. But thank God." (06:50)

• On Harbaugh/Michigan:

  "Harbaugh should get punished in the NFL for just running away from your scandal." – Dan (03:09)

• On Alabama’s decline:

  "Welcome to the real world. This is how we've all been living for the last 20 years." – Lucy (13:06)

• On Belichick’s UNC disaster:

  “He’s always been a not nice guy. I don’t care for him and I hope he has the day he deserves.” – Lucy (30:18) "That's a great kind insult... it's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out." – Mike Ryan (30:34)

• On Miami’s victory:

  "That team that I watched on Sunday night... that team there plays with anyone." – Dan (35:22)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:33] – Show begins; Lucy returns, talks about Columbus trip
• [02:32] – Michigan punishment debate
• [03:24] – Arch Manning’s hype/overhype conversation
• [04:27–05:16] – Tailgate traditions and donut initiation
• [08:20] – Alabama’s shocking loss under DeBoer analyzed
• [11:03] – Alabama’s discipline issues post-Saban
• [12:43–13:15] – Buyout for DeBoer and fan expectations
• [16:16] – Lucy’s friend helps pick Rangers for hockey, sparking playful banter
• [18:21] – Skip Bayless/Belichick segment begins
• [19:46] – Dan on why everyone delights in Belichick’s loss
• [20:27] – Should Belichick’s UNC stint tarnish his legacy?
• [22:37] – Mike Ryan: "If this can't tarnish legacy..."
• [29:08] – Belichick’s empty “depth chart” prank
• [31:10] – Discussion of Miami’s newfound discipline vs. Notre Dame
• [35:22] – Dan’s praise for Miami’s game
• [37:56] – Field goal controversy in Miami's play-calling
• [41:11] – Defense as key for Miami; fan expectations vs. reality

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The hour is playful, sharp, and deeply rooted in football’s rowdy fandom, with constant ribbing (both amongst panelists and at the expense of sports' biggest institutions). Lucy Rohden’s irreverent charm is a focal point—her incredulity at keeping her job, her joyful immersion in fan culture, and her ability to stir up contentious debates. The panel blends enthusiasm for the game, skepticism of its traditions and leaders, and a delight in seeing dynasties falter.

Listeners come away with:

• Fresh, firsthand stories from college football’s beating heart.
• Candid, often hilarious analysis of major scandals and shocks.
• A sense of change and vulnerability in the sport’s top programs (Alabama, Michigan, now Belichick!)
• And plenty of the show’s trademark banter—reminding you: sports are at their best when you can still laugh about them.

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Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.

[Lucy]

Or just like anything to say about, you know, obviously last game today.

[Dan LeBatard]

I just love all the different head pieces. It's the best. And that's actually the main reason why I wanted to come down here and support the Buckeye City.

[Lucy]

Did you hit your vape?

[Mike Ryan]

What?

[Lucy]

Did you hit your vape in the middle of this interview?

[Dan LeBatard]

No. Must have been the win.

[Lucy]

I am just as shocked as you all are. I still work here. Who knew I did it. But I'm back on the road again. Not only do I still work here, they're letting me do this for a third year. And to kick it off, we are here in Columbus, Ohio for the biggest opening game ever. Texas, Ohio State. We got denied for credentials.

[Dan LeBatard]

We need some ping pong balls. We can't get that excited because we don't have ping pong balls.

[Lucy]

I'm just gonna start off by asking you the tough question. I'm gonna put you in a bad mood. Did Michigan get away with it?

[Dan LeBatard]

Absolutely, they got away with it. $20 million is not even close to a significant amount of money for them. You take all the competitives out of the game and it's a rivalry game. Like, that's just. That's just Michigan. Michigan always. All the time.

[Lucy]

What should the punishment have been like? What would have been fair?

[Dan LeBatard]

Vacate all the wins in the national championship and the three wins against us.

[Lucy]

What about the death penalty?

[Dan LeBatard]

Kind of a gray area. I'm not sure about the death penalty.

[Lucy]

Actually, the actual death penalty for Jim Harbaugh.

[Dan LeBatard]

Harbaugh should get punished in the NFL for just run away from your scandal.

[Lucy]

It's exactly what he did after being like, we do not cheat. We do things the right way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Exactly.

[Lucy]

They say Michigan, man. Michigan, man. Michigan, man.

[Dan LeBatard]

You mean something to me, man.

[Lucy]

You is Arch Manning, is he properly hyped? Overly hyped? Under hyped.

[Dan LeBatard]

Properly hyped. Respect there. I do love Arch Manning. I mean, he's a humble guy. He's got the stuff.

[Mike Ryan]

He's gonna be so good.

[Lucy]

Raise your hand. Overrated. Okay, okay. So everyone's got their hand up. Hell yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

He's proved nothing so far except for his name.

[Dan LeBatard]

Personally, he's a very great player, but you're not gonna come out into the shoe Big Noon, biggest game of the year. And not be rattled.

[Lucy]

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[Dan LeBatard]

So do I.

[Lucy]

What time is it? It's game time. Download the game time app and use code lucy for $20 off your first purchase term supply. Ryan Day is very actively denied dyeing his hair and dyeing his beard. Do you think that he's telling the truth?

[Dan LeBatard]

It's natural. Unless he loses to Texas.

[Lucy]

Do you know what a Buckeye is like the animal? Not an animal.

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Chocolate with peanut butter.

[Lucy]

Not why Buckeye is a nut. Oh, I'm from Miami, Florida. Oh, Jesus Christ. We're a Miami show.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. Yes. My dad's walking back home.

[Lucy]

Yeah. No, if you tell your dad you were on the Dan Levitar show, I think he'll flip. I'm on tv. So my favorite part of off roading is getting to be a part of, like, what I think makes college football so special. And it's these, like, little communities and these little moments. So we were invited to this tailgate called J back in day olds where they've been tailgating for 30 years. And they do an initiation ceremony.

[Mike Ryan]

And now we dip it in our. And then we take a bite of our donut.

[Dan LeBatard]

A small bite of our donut.

[Zaslow]

And we savor and we dunk it.

[Mike Ryan]

We then finish that off with a.

[Fellow Panelist]

Toast of Each other.

[Mike Ryan]

To friendship.

[Lucy]

The friendship.

[Fellow Panelist]

A toast of fellowship.

[Lucy]

The fellowship.

[Fellow Panelist]

And then we take a sip and.

[Mike Ryan]

You'Re initiated into the group. I'm one of us.

[Lucy]

Do we get like T shirts or something?

[Dan LeBatard]

Right, we need T shirts.

[Lucy]

So we had a bit of a like just a mess up here on the off roading team. And it was Rose's fault and we did this like beautiful initiation ceremony where Rose accidentally forgot to press record. It happens. I forgive her. However, there are natural punishments to your actions. And so because I had to eat two soggy donuts, Rose has to drink the soggy donut water. Look at this.

[Mike Ryan]

They have fish. I'm not gonna mess up a game.

[Lucy]

Do you guys have a favorite Lee Corso memory or Obviously he put on the buckeye head so many times.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's been the iron man for so long. He loves the game. I don't think there's a parallel to him other than oh, what's the dick vital? It's probably the dick vital of football. Right?

[Lucy]

Or maybe me. Right? Probably you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Or dick vitel. I love him to death but he's so old. Like he's. He looks like a Roomba moving around like bad news.

[Lucy]

I'm a little rusty. I'm losing my voice. Rose is gonna have to sub in. Does Ryan day dice his beer?

[Dan LeBatard]

Look, it doesn't matter what I say.

[Mike Ryan]

Cause Mike Ryan is gonna come back.

[Dan LeBatard]

And guarantee that he does it.

[Mike Ryan]

So what if he does? Who cares?

[Lucy]

Do you wanna say anything to Dan?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm very proud of myself. This is a self brag.

[Mike Ryan]

I was suing nominated this week. Friends in low places for Rafe lafrence.

[Lucy]

Go vote for it by Tuesday. Longtime listener, lover of the show.

[Dan LeBatard]

Love everything you guys do.

[Lucy]

Do you guys feel confident about the game today?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Lucy]

Let's go.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's hook em.

[Lucy]

It was so great to be back on the road. Even better to still have a job. Cause that was up in the. I didn't know. I really didn't know. But thank God. And next week finally box one is choosing where we're going and we are going to drumroll. Ames, Iowa. Yeah, we're going to Ames. Not my choice. Their choice. Their choice. So we will be in Ames for Iowa, Iowa state and big noon kickoff. And don't forget to stream that game. And all live sports on the fox one app. We live for live stream now.

[Mike Ryan]

We are going to announce all the sui winners later. I don't want to spoil any surprises except to say that guy didn't win anything. He didn't win Shit, that guy didn't win anything for his Rafla friends. I won't give you any more information on. On that.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was a good song.

[Mike Ryan]

It got a suey, it got a SUI nomination. That's always an honor. Lucy, we are thrilled to see you again. It means that college football has returned. There are a lot of things to talk about in college football that are very exciting. I legitimately. Look at that. Look at all the applause back there. She's bringing in, she's bringing in, she's bringing back tailgates.

[Zaslow]

She still works here.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, you work here. She is bringing back enthusiasm for sports. So if I said to you the one story that you'd be talking about after the weekend, and I'm not, I'm throwing Belichick into the mix to give you the offer. But the one story from the weekend, the one that you thought was most interesting, was what? Because I saw a lot of people on that report saying Arch Manning was special and no one had seen Arch Manning play.

[Lucy]

It has to be Alabama. Like Arch Manning having a bad game against one of the best defenses in college football on the road of the defending national champions. Like, oh, that's so surprising. Like, I don't think that's a big deal. I think that's something that in two months we're all going to look back and be like, yeah, that just makes a ton of sense given the circumstances. Alabama losing the way they did is far and away the most interesting storyline of this weekend. And for me, when I look at week one, I understand it's like a one week sample size. So I try not to take too much out of it. Except for that Alabama game, the way they were absolutely out physical, the out coach. Just they. I have not seen them lose like that well since their last game against Michigan and since their game against Oklahoma before that and Vanderbilt, but still very, very big deal.

[Mike Ryan]

Pretty hard what Saban did there, huh? Hard to do When Clemson and Georgia and Ohio State all want your players.

[Lucy]

It's like, I think it's what I expected when Calum DeBoer took the job was for there was obviously going to be a step back because Nick Saban is the greatest of all time. I think what's been so shocking about the setback is everyone assumed, okay now Alabama might lose to Georgia a little bit more, they might lose to Tennessee a little bit more. We were not expecting lo losing to this Florida State team, which by the way, not the 2 in 10 Florida State team of last year. Completely different coaches, completely different players. But still, it was an embarrassing loss and it was the way that Alabama is losing that it's like my entire TikTok feed right now. Or Alabama fans with making sad edits of like, I miss you so much, Jalen Milroe and Nick Saban and I think it's really funny.

[Dan LeBatard]

Lucy, how do you balance though Alabama's performance compared to Florida State?

[Lucy]

Well, I think what I would say for like Alabama is I don't want to take anything away from Florida State. I thought that was a super impressive victory. Tommy Castellanos was amazing. Like you can't take what they did away because they were dominant that whole game. I think where I take the conclusions from Alabama is because this isn't a one size like sample where they played like this against Michigan, they played like this against Oklahoma, they played like this against Vanderbilt. And Alabama has never played like that ever. Like, we have never seen that type of consistent, losing that kind of consistent, like just frankly getting your ass beat. But that's not something we've seen loose.

[Mike Ryan]

It's so strange to see some of these numbers, right? They've lost three of their last four in the last 17 years. Nick Saban lost three times in a season, twice. And he got out at exactly the right time because he overachieved with that bad team at the end. He got very close. Is just like, I'll see you later. I could see what's coming here. These other teams are getting players. So I did. Did Nick Saban see what was coming where he wasn't going to be able to keep winning that way? Or are we going to assume forever that Nick Saban would have figured it out in the very next year? He'd never look like this.

[Lucy]

I don't think he would ever look like this. I think that he did sort of see the writing on the wall with this. Like nil was going to open up some of the competition. Like players that might typically go to Alabama or Georgia, they might be going to Texas Tech now. Like, things are a little bit different there. But like Nick Saban has always had very well coached, very well disciplined teams. I heard this crazy stat that since Kaylin DeBoer has took over at Alabama, they have never had a game where Alabama was the less penalized team where so every time that Alabama's playing, they have more penalties than their opponent. That's stuff that Nick Saban does and you can sort of see that. Like Kaylin DeBoer, he's definitely stressing, he's definitely sort of like not being able to Figure it out. Like this week at his press conference, someone tried to ask him a question just about like preparation. And he just didn't know what they were talking about. It was, we have the video if we want to play it, but it was about their Florida State prep and he was lost.

[Dan LeBatard]

You mentioned the great week before the game. Just how much do you self scout.

[Zaslow]

The preparation before games and other times as a coach where maybe you notice.

[Mike Ryan]

During the week that things might not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Be going the way that you want them to.

[Zaslow]

You said.

[Mike Ryan]

What do you mean great week?

[Zaslow]

A great week.

[Mike Ryan]

You said a great week of preparation.

[Zaslow]

For this week, you're saying. Or are you referring to last week, going up to Florida State before that game?

[Mike Ryan]

I said that?

[Dan LeBatard]

You said that? Yeah, before.

[Zaslow]

Oh, just.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Mike Ryan]

Woof.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Lucy]

Yeah. He doesn't know what's going on.

[Fellow Panelist]

I'll fake it at least.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, ESPN, all over ESPN, people are calling for DeBoer's firing. And I'm like, good God, that happened quick to Alabama. In fact, I'm trying to remember. Remember a time where you had the juiciness of Belichick and Alabama and everyone in sports is just hate celebrating.

[Lucy]

Does anyone know how much Kaylin DeBoer's buyout is? I'll let you guess.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's over 60, isn't it?

[Zaslow]

I think it's 77, 90.

[Dan LeBatard]

Whatever remains, I think. Right.

[Lucy]

So right now it's around $70 million.

[Fellow Panelist]

Oh, wow.

[Mike Ryan]

What was that?

[Dan LeBatard]

I love it. I mean, that is.

[Mike Ryan]

Is that all of college football laughing under its breath at Alabama, just tired of getting its ass kicked by Alabama for 17 years.

[Dan LeBatard]

Am I the only one that feels bad for Deb?

[Lucy]

I feel bad for him like a little bit. I don't feel bad for Alabama. Like, welcome to the real world. This is how we've all been living for the last 20 years.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, I don't feel bad for their fans.

[Lucy]

Yeah, you like welcome one of us now. It's not that fun. But for Deborah, I do feel bad because I didn't think it was a bad hire at the time. And like, but also at the same time, you take that Alabama job, you understand that the, the expectations are so much higher and there's no wiggle room. Like, you have to succeed and you have to succeed right away. Which is like crazy because anyone who hires a new head coach, you get nine wins in your first year. You prob feel pretty good. But like, the vibes there are really, really awful. They're bad. I don't think they're going to fire him because $70 million is a lot of money, but the whole thing is just like. It's crazy. That is not an Alabama football team. It doesn't look like it.

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[Lucy]

Don LeBatard I just texted my best friend Hannah and asked her who she thinks is gonna win tonight. And she has never watched a hockey game this entire season. She's picking the Rangers and she's an astrophysicist. She's real smart.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'll text Joey. Dan, you know what I found out about Hannah today? An anagram.

[Zaslow]

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[Mike Ryan]

You said Anna or Hannah.

[Lucy]

Hannah.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, I don't know Anna too, depending.

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On how you spell it.

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Even though there's two ends, it's also an anagram. Same with one Nana. Anagrams are fun in this car. A Hannah Graham this is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, you say they're not going to fire him because $70 million a lot of when you've bloated that fan base on the success of the last 17 years, they're not going to sit there and take this very long. Like I would assume that they would be more cutthroat about that than any program in the nation, given how spoiled that fan base is.

[Zaslow]

And Dan, keep in mind they also save so much money on not firing their head coach because all the other coaches were chasing Nick Saban. They've got 20 years of never having to have that conversation.

[Mike Ryan]

This is nuts what's happening in Alabama. When you consider what Lane Kiffin told us, which is every time I stepped on the field, I knew we had the bigger, better players. Every single time I'm looking at the other sideline. They're not as big and strong and fast as us. And so of course we're going to win most of the games if you eliminate that. And now all of you, all of a sudden you've got an as well undisciplined football team that's getting Manhandled. It was an interesting, gleeful thing. But I thought that last night and what happened to Belichick was even more gleeful because we've seen Alabama doing some losing in recent years and we haven't seen a coach going into this off season coming in and getting embarrassed by a point total he'd never allow at any level. So, Lucy, you explain to me what it is that's happening there. Why are so many people delighting in the downfall of Bill Belichick and presuming that this is what's going to be so.

[Lucy]

But Dan, did you see the first drive? Did you see that? That was great.

[Mike Ryan]

Skip Bayless. What did Skip Bayless say about the first drive?

[Zaslow]

At 8:16pm Skip Bayless tweeted. Wow, Belichick has a national championship offense. Heels just shredded Frog's defense.

[Lucy]

Oh, that's so great. I think, like, I think Bill Belichick is sort of in that same sort of Alabama Saban realm where we as sports fans are so used to him winning all the time and doing it in a way that you're like, everyone else is suffering because nothing is fun and you've taken all the good things and you've hoarded them well. Now you're at a different sport. You're at a school that's like just kind of a weird fit.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're.

[Lucy]

You're in the acc. Like to see him go out and just completely just like, like have a dud of a game, which I don't think is going to be like the exception. I don't think this is just like, TCU is really good. Although I do think TCU is a good football team. Like, you have 70 new players. You are playing in a different sport that plays a different style of football. You are the oldest coach in all of college football trying to relate to 18 year olds. Like, the whole vibe of it was just like, this isn't going to work. And I think it's so important to acknowledge that the ACC has changed how they give out their TV revenue, where it was just like equally spread out across the schools. But they've changed the format in the system so it's based off of TV ratings now, which makes this higher still probably a good thing for Carolina, because I think they're going to make a lot of money off this because people are going to tune in, especially they're going to tune in to see Bill Belichick be really terrible at his job.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't understand why the reaction that people are having to Belichick losing The way he did last night is surprising anyone. Like, he's been nasty for years. Like, even, even earlier, you know that it's a petty reaction from, from people like me because I love what I watched last night. Why is it petty? He's been a nasty man for a really long time.

[Fellow Panelist]

Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm glad that they're terrible and I'm glad that he's losing.

[Fellow Panelist]

I know. But the one thing I would say is let's stop with the tarnish his legacy stuff. He could go three and nine this season and quit and he's still got all the rings, all the super bowl rings. His, his legacy is, is set, period.

[Lucy]

I don't know about that. Like, he made the choice to take this job and to go to college football and to, to be in the acc and you're not going to be able to succeed at this level. Like, your competition is Dave Doran now. And you don't think that you're going to be able to like, be the best. I feel like this move was what we all expected it to be. Was so clearly, hey, I just need something to do until the NFL calls me again. Unfortunately, I think he thought he would win a little bit more in the process and not look so bad. So he might have hurt his own ch. But like, this is how he's choosing to end his career, then like, fine, take the, take the consequences of that.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, to make this choice.

[Zaslow]

Per opta stats, TCU is the only FBS team in the last 20 seasons to have two 25 plus yard rushing.

[Dan LeBatard]

Touchdowns, a 25 plus yard passing touchdown.

[Zaslow]

A 25 plus yard interception return for.

[Dan LeBatard]

A touchdown, and a 25 plus yard fumble return for a touchdown all in the same game. Belichick had never allowed all of that over an entire season as a head coach. His team was a joke last night. And, and I do think there's a lot more that can be said for his legacy based on what happens with North Carolina. Because look, if we thought that the discussion was done as far as Brady Belichick, when Brady left the Patriots and then won a Super bowl with someone else, what's it going to look like now when Belichick finally left New England and oh, he's also terrible over here while Brady won a Super bowl over there. Like, I don't. I still think there's a lot of this story to be written potentially. Yeah.

[Fellow Panelist]

But Zaz, you're. You're a journalist. In the broad view, finally, in. In the broad view, the lead story of the. The lead paragraph of his obituary is six times super bowl winner.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Fellow Panelist]

In North Carolina. Is. Is maybe lower in the story.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. But. But Brady winning elsewhere was like up. See Brady, he's the guy. You don't think. Now Belichick going elsewhere exacerbates that whole opinion.

[Fellow Panelist]

It's somewhat. Just somewhat.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think maybe. Right.

[Fellow Panelist]

I don't think anything overshadows those Super Bowls. It's just that.

[Mike Ryan]

Well. But if this can't tarnish legacy, then legacy cannot be tarnished. Not this game. But I'm just talking about an ending unlike any that we have ever seen. The stats of him with Tom Brady and apart Tom Brady are jarring. I will read them to you in a moment. But I do wonder how that docu series of their life is going to feel when we're watching a relationship that's being featured for the defensive coordinator at Vanderbilt or Wake Forest because that's Belichick's next stop on this particular tour is being defensive coordinator somewhere. And I'm sure love will follow him wherever he goes. Did you just snort? What happened?

[Fellow Panelist]

It was a snort.

[Mike Ryan]

What just happened. What did. What. What did you just. That was snort. I don't. Who snorts anymore. Lucy, thank you for being on the show.

[Dan LeBatard]

Laugh nominee.

[Mike Ryan]

Welcome back. We are thrilled to have you back this year. Thank you. You're going to kill it all season.

[Lucy]

Bye, guys. Have fun. Make good choices.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if we're going to do that around here. I do want to talk a little bit more about Belichick, but we also have our SUI winners to get to because this is an interesting delight to see happening because this guy ruled 20 years of football in a way that we've never seen.

[Dan LeBatard]

I love it.

[Zaslow]

I think Zaslow. It wasn't said loud enough. Last night was embarrassing.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was a joke.

[Zaslow]

It was a joke. You went through an entire fall camp of evaluation and you rolled out this offense with Freddy Kitchen.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stupid documentaries and sit downs with the girlfriend. And then that. That with all those dignitaries who were in the same. That's what you put out there. It was a joke.

[Zaslow]

This is the quarterback you landed on. You really think that you're that much smarter than everybody else? You can win with Freddie Kitchen, this quarterback and do your style like your team looked so in over its head. And keep in mind, UNC understand they had a bad year last year, 6 and 7. This. This wasn't a program in tatters. Right. This is a program that from a football perspective has been in the mix in that conference.

[Dan LeBatard]

They've won six games or more, I think six consecutive.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, wait. I got. Let me just stop you for just a second, because I watched that North Carolina football team after to James Madison in a game where James Madison had 50 at the half. And I'm like, how. How is this possible?

[Dan LeBatard]

Madison's been good the past couple years.

[Mike Ryan]

But Billy, on the road to have 52 points at the half against North Carolina and be up something like 52, 21 didn't make sense to me.

[Zaslow]

I understand, but you can't have that couch. Your entire view. Like, let's take a treetop view here on North Carolina and say, this isn't the disaster.

[Mike Ryan]

My point is, their defense was really bad last year. And my point is that what he had to come in and fix when his standard is professional football players who are champions look like this. Can I go find a defense that makes me smarter than everyone else? And for a half, he's. He's losing 20 to 7 or whatever it was. 21 7. He goes in at halftime. And now America is expectant. Now the genius will make the adjustments. The hell. I saw Marcus Freeman make adjustments. I know crystal ball helped him, but I saw Marcus Freeman make adjustments that altered a team that was outmatched physics so that the second half didn't feel like that. And what happens out of the locker room, Kickoff return for a touchdown, 75 yards because he doesn't actually have a good team. That much can be obvious stated off of game one. We don't need any more evidence. But he's placed the bar in a place where, if he is actually what many of us have believed him to be, he's just lowered the expectation so much that by doing the opposite of what Deion did at Colorado against tcu, he's lowered the expectations so much in one game that now no one expects anything. Like they. You've gone from where the expectations were, which were inflating the point spread on a team that wasn't ready to agree with me on this. So much room for improvement that he can actually improve it, because this has to be the worst that it looks correct.

[Dan LeBatard]

In a month, they have Clemson. They're gonna get murdered.

[Zaslow]

Man. Before the season, I was kind of there with you when they announced this. I'm like, this. You said, quote, this beast is coming to college football. And we were all laughing like, what does Mario Cristobal have to. For Bill Belichick? This guy's got a stroll into a joke conference and totally outmatch these head coaches there.

[Dan LeBatard]

In terms, there's this narrative that all, you know, look what he did to NFL head coaches. College coaches stand no chance against him. Dude is washed.

[Zaslow]

And I was there with you initially, and then I saw his whole approach to talent acquisition, and he genuinely approached this with an arrogance as if he were sm, no, I'll develop these guys. I don't need to play the same game everybody else. And then you realize, oh, late in that transfer portal window, dude went to the portal heavy, but it was a little too late. Like, this guy has to learn, not just the game, an entire culture. There is a business model that you have to establish in order to compete. And he just thought with Bill Belichick and the whole gravitas, he can just roll in there. And he got embarrassed. Embarrassed by a solid team. A team that was in the national championship a couple years ago, but this.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wasn'T the team that Colorado beat a couple years ago coming off of the national championship game.

[Zaslow]

No, no. Like, if he's doing that, that out the gates, you're right. There's some guys on that schedule that are going to push those dudes around.

[Fellow Panelist]

Everything you guys are saying is true. It can't be overstated how embarrassing and humiliating his college debut was. But this is true, too. It's one effing game. And when I say don't bring legacy into this, the analogy I would use is Michael Jordan. Nobody cares that he was a lousy owner because he was Michael Jordan. Nobody's going to care that Bill Belichick, in the winter of his career had one or two bad seasons in college. He's still.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, you're saying. You're saying no one's going to care, but they're going to care while it's happening.

[Fellow Panelist]

They're going to care in North Carolina.

[Dan LeBatard]

Those are different things. Like not caring about Michael Jordan's legacy. He wasn't playing for the Bobcats like, he was the owner. Belichick is still coaching.

[Fellow Panelist]

Right. I get that.

[Dan LeBatard]

It'd be like if Jordan was still playing and then he was terrible. No, that, like, Belichick is still doing the things that he's supposed to be really great at. Except his resume tells us when he doesn't have Brady, he's actually terrible. Do you think if Belichick knew how the rest of the game was going to play out, he would have enjoyed that first touchdown more? Everyone was like, oh, look at him.

[Mike Ryan]

He's not smiling.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's all business. I feel like if he knew he was going to get blown out after that, he would have given a Few high fives, maybe a smirk. Did you see the. The Belichick move that he pulled before the game where they released the depth chart? Oh, someone took a picture. Let's see this. This is what I'm talking about, man. There's the death chart. If you can zoom in. It's just the name of every position and are 0 players listed under any position?

[Mike Ryan]

He's gonna trick him. He's gonna.

[Dan LeBatard]

No depth chart.

[Mike Ryan]

He's gonna so. So that he can trick them because he wants to give them no information.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, he didn't want TC to know what was coming. Do you think they know they can go on espn.com they could probably find the depth chart. Do you think they know?

[Mike Ryan]

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[Lucy]

He seems like a not nice guy and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him and I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, wow.

[Zaslow]

Stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Lucy]

That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go f yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a great kind. It's a great kind. Insult. Yes, it's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's a less Southern. Bless your heart.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Fellow Panelist]

Well, a lot of coaches do that. Mario Cristobal says, or somebody or somebody on about half of the position.

[Mike Ryan]

They're secretive lunatics. Many of them don't have functioning normal relationships in their life because of how lopsided the having to compete against Mario Cristobal, who's a crazy person because he's going to try and out Mario. Mario Cristobal. We saw in that Miami game, we saw how Miami will win and we saw how Miami will lose. We saw a team that was disciplined on defense the hardest way, which is to be physical and disciplined. Those teams of Mario Cristobal have not been that. And what you saw at the end of the first half where they have 18 seconds left, they score a touchdown. But it's the two touchdown passes required great throws from the quarterback, a great catch from a wide receiver could have been disaster plays under other circumstances. But I thought watching the game between Miami and Notre Dame, I thought it was two things. And both of these things can be true. Miami should be happy that it wins that game no matter what because Miami often loses that game for a lot of reasons. And Miami fans being upset with Mario Cristobal because he did all the things in that game that will lose you a game. When you have the physical advantages against the team, when you have physical advantages, offensive and defensive line and another team gives you two turnovers, that game should not be close. And a lot of people are complaining in the Miami. A lot of people are complaining that Mario Cristobal went very conservative. They're not wrong.

[Zaslow]

They should be happy that he trusted a defense that was among the worst we've ever seen just a couple of months ago. It took him a couple of months to go into a game against Notre Dame and say, you know what? I'm going to let my defense win this game. They wasted the greatest offense this program has ever had and they could not stop anybody. Pedestrian offenses would run at will. And he leaned on the defense to win a game against the national runner up and he almost blew this game. It's a two score game. That game turned into a rock fight at times. And to your point about the composure and the culture and the discipline, Dan, there was one play that I saw, I didn't notice it during the game, but JoJo Traitor got picked up by his face mask by a Notre Dame player, dragged about 10 yards. This all happened right in front of the officials who weren't great on the day. JoJo Traitor did nothing in retaliation. No flag was thrown. The retaliation would have certainly drawn a flag. You remember how Miami season ended last year at stake Syracuse, Jacoby George, who we're always worried about losing his mind and backing Miami up. I went through fall camp. I'm like, who's the guy that we're worried about. If this dude can put it all.

[Mike Ryan]

Together, then we're good.

[Zaslow]

But no, it took several years to finally weed that stuff out of the locker room. But these dudes have discipline now, and they've bought into a culture. They're all thinking the same way.

[Mike Ryan]

They had one bust, they had one play, and you can't have it when they had it.

[Fellow Panelist]

One bad play. One bad play.

[Mike Ryan]

You cannot have it when they had it because there were no big plays in that game. And I think the Notre Dame offense is capable of a great many big plays. And so I was surprised to see Miami's defense that improved. I was surprised to see him that physical and disciplined because crystal ball teams do get penalized a lot. That was a shocking stat. Lucy just gave us that. Every damn game DeBoer plays in, he's got more penalties than the other team.

[Zaslow]

That's not. That's not what good football teams.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, it's certainly not what Alabama is used to, because when do you get penalties off? It's not just discipline. It's, oh, these guys are too big, strong and fast. So I have to chief to stop them. Like, that's. That's how a lot of people are playing against Alabama.

[Zaslow]

Jeremiah Love is a great player. And Ruben Bane knew Jeremiah Love from that film study because one of his notes, as we saw earlier, were bleep. Jeremiah Love. But we were talking about this on Monday and, like, it did feel like they should have gotten him involved in the game a little bit more. Too many quarterback keepers on those RPOs. And then I looked at the stats. Everybody was upset that Jeremiah Love just got 10 carries in that game. Jeremiah Love last year got 11 carries a game. They. They fed him the same amount. The problem was the 3.3 yards per carry. And if Jeremiah Love played Miami's defense in the CFP last year, he would have gone for 300 yards on the ground.

[Dan LeBatard]

Right? That was the thing that stood out to me the most about the game where, you know, last year when Kane's fans are complaining about they should have been allowed in the playoff. You know, it's like. And what, so they could just get their shit kicked in at some Big Ten team in the first round of the playoffs. That team that I watched on Sunday night, that team would have played with anyone. Like it was. It was a major difference, what we were watching Sunday, that that team there plays with anyone.

[Zaslow]

The game was essentially one scoring right before half and then taking the ball and, and holding it for seven and a half.

[Dan LeBatard]

Minutes. It was so impressive that first try.

[Zaslow]

14 points scored in like a 12 and a half minute span where that's what it has to look like. Yes, I know we get all super excited where K Ward is having to chase the game and put up as many possible points as possible because you can't, you, you can't keep any teams under 40 points. But that's how you choke a game away and that's how it's going to have to look in November.

[Dan LeBatard]

Kane's fans are cool with that first drive in the third quarter because everyone's freaking out about Mario's like the offense.

[Mike Ryan]

In the second quarter, everything after that. So, so let me just stop everyone for a second. When I say on display there a future Monday show, if you had to bet on it, are we going to be saying in a future Monday show, oh, they had that one. But all the crystal ball thing happened. Things happen where you don't understand how they lost. If they'd lost that game because they missed a 47 yard field goal, that game would have been over. And I'd be really confused as to how they lost that game with a two turnover advantage and advantages on the offensive and defensive line. And I'd be in here saying, good God, they weren't stopped by Notre Dame running the ball. They just kept running between the tackles because they're not doing anything creative on the corners. And everyone knows statistically, what's the caveman Cristobal gonna do? He's gonna punch you in the face because he wants to run it down the middle of the field empirically, numerically, more than anyone. He wants to have. He. Man, he was the one recruiting out for Alabama when they got that big. What he wants is we will punch you in the face and run right down the middle of the field when we wish to, because we're bigger and stronger than you.

[Fellow Panelist]

You.

[Mike Ryan]

But they're not yet.

[Zaslow]

I'm. Everyone was saying that was a conservative play call. Yeah, but what's conservative about six yards a clip? Notre Dame got a stop there and then scored right afterwards. And that's what happens with a two score game.

[Dan LeBatard]

The conservative part that I had an issue with was on the last drive. All right, we're tied at 24 and it came down to. Yeah, you know what? Like this isn't the NFL. These kickers can miss any kick in college. And Chris Ball was seemingly totally good with a 47 yard field goal that is in the NFL.

[Mike Ryan]

As if he still had Carlos Huerta, Borgalis or any of these guys.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's a gimme in the NFL in college. These kickers miss from everywhere. I would have rather not kick a 47 yard.

[Zaslow]

That kick also would have been good from 65.

[Dan LeBatard]

I get it. Bombed it.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, but if he missed it, Mike, we're having it. If he.

[Zaslow]

I was terrified before the kick.

[Mike Ryan]

We would have no explanation for how that game was lost. We'd be like on quarterback draws and.

[Zaslow]

We would have joined Penn State State in that. Like how did Notre Dame come into this stadium yet again? The other team controlled the game and yet Notre Dame is victorious at the end. That team is a resilient, tough team and I'm not going to apologize for winning. What? Because a double digit lead ended up being a 3 point spread? Get out of here. They just beat Notre Dame. Who's going to be good and get better as the season goes on.

[Fellow Panelist]

And by the way, when you describe Mario Criswal as a guy who just wants to play big and to run the ball up your throat, that certainly wasn't the case last year when Cam Ward was throwing the ball all over the field and setting.

[Mike Ryan]

No, it was statistically they ran between the tackles more than any team but Baylor.

[Fellow Panelist]

And they also set passing records that had understood.

[Mike Ryan]

But I'm just telling you that philosophically what the man does was on display there. If you had to bet and be right or wrong and win money. We will be doing a Monday show this season where we're talking about how the Miami Hurricanes lost a game inexplicably because of what their coach did.

[Zaslow]

When they lost to Syracuse and they were up 21 0, no one was saying that offense got conservative. I was saying they should have ran it more because they were running at 7 yards per carry in that game. But they didn't. And they blew a 210 lead. You couldn't trust the defense. Cam Ward was not being conservative in that game. They blew it because of their approach to it. That is not how you win in college football at the highest level.

[Fellow Panelist]

Right. And the defense is appreciably better this year. But you're talking as if they did lose.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but I'm just saying some of the fan base is saying this. It's not even what I'm saying, but you have to bet and be right. Answer my question. Question.

[Fellow Panelist]

And. And to the fan base I would say get real. You just beat the number six team in the country. You were an underdog, you beat them. Why are you parsing the victory?

[Dan LeBatard]

Looking bigger picture?

[Fellow Panelist]

I don't care that they all Do.

[Dan LeBatard]

They did blow a 10 point lead, so why not 10 point cares?

[Fellow Panelist]

They won.

[Zaslow]

We're not talking about a 20 point lead, Mike.

[Dan LeBatard]

You also last week were saying they're gonna win by three.

[Zaslow]

I thought they were gonna rip their heads off. And for a while there it looked.

[Mike Ryan]

Like they should have. Is my point. They should have credit to the opponent.

[Fellow Panelist]

You can't say they should.

[Dan LeBatard]

A little credit to the opponent.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, this, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this again because four straight possessions without a first down. I understand they had the number one offense in the sport last year, but that offense I think only went three possessions without a first down a couple of times. It's not because the offense was stopped, stopped by defensive players who were running all over the field, defending against creative offense. It was because they were running it straight into the middle of the line and they got the ball taken away from them. And then all of a sudden what's coming back down to the field on you is quarterback draws and an inexperienced quarterback getting confidence because of how you played the game offensively the rest of the way. After that majestic drive. That should be the drive that you put that. He's got that right there. That drive is the best drive that Mario Cristobal's team has had against a good team since he's been here.

[Zaslow]

I think they're capable of getting those drives when they need it. That game called for something in that run where they went four drives without a first down. They did get a field goal. Why? Because the defense made a point. If you want to go at Mario Cristobal for being conservative and trusting a defense to win a game, then give him credit for having that defense that was atrocious last year win the game.

[Fellow Panelist]

When you or a Canes fan tell me Mario Cristobal in the second half was playing not to lose, I'm saying good for him because guess what? He didn't lose.

[Mike Ryan]

And what are you saying? If that field goal is missed or blocked in return for a touchdown, then you're so from 47 yards out.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm saying I wish we weren't settling for a 47. Well then notre Dame also would have had to go back and score. That's the thing that it was tied at the time.

[Zaslow]

You miss me with assuming that Notre Dame comes back and Miami was controlling.

[Dan LeBatard]

That their two minute drill looked disastrous.

[Fellow Panelist]

And you can play the what if game on 90 of results in all.

[Mike Ryan]

Of sports after the pick, Notre Dame scored on three of its last four four possessions after not doing anything all game because they were with a quarterback that shouldn't be winning that game in that position. Has no reason to be winning that game in that position.

[Fellow Panelist]

And he didn't.

[Mike Ryan]

I know, but. I know, but the lead was given away and there was a tie game. And what you are telling me, which is reasonable criticism. Wow. The way they played the end of the game, I would really like them to just hold the ball the rest of the game. Okay. Especially after getting that third and short conversion as momentum the way you did. Would have liked them to not give the ball back with a minute left. But settling for a 40 yard field goal with a guy who kicked four field goals successfully at FAU. Hmm. Okay. He did make it. But if he misses it and and Notre Dame comes back and scores, you guys would be so confused about how Miami lost that football.

[Zaslow]

I understand the 47 yard field for what it's worth. And you could certainly have concerns about the accuracy of the kicker.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's 4 for 11 from that distance.

[Zaslow]

I understand the staff when he was in fall camp said this is the strongest leg we've ever seen.

[Lucy]

Seen.

[Fellow Panelist]

And. And that field goal would have been good from 57 yards if that had.

[Mike Ryan]

Hit the upright like the show he's doing today. The show.

[Zaslow]

They didn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Don't do the show then you're doing the show.

[Mike Ryan]

Stop doing that show.

[Dan LeBatard]

They won.

[Zaslow]

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