Hour 1: Me Cago En La Leche (feat. Alex Palou)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Hour 1: Me Cago En La Leche (feat. Alex Palou)
Release Date: May 27, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Guest: Alex Palou, IndyCar Champion

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1. Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:31 - 01:19)

The episode kicks off with Dan Le Batard and Stugotz giving a warm welcome to their guest, Alex Palou, a three-time IndyCar Series champion and recent winner of the Indy 500—the first Spaniard to achieve this feat.

Notable Quote:
Stugotz (01:19): "Alex Palou isn't just a champion, he is the greatest. And I don't know whether he's willing to say he's the greatest or not, but he's a three-time IndyCar Series champion."

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2. Celebrating Success: Post-Race Experiences (01:19 - 07:21)

Alex Palou shares his whirlwind experience following his Indy 500 victory, detailing the physical and emotional highs and lows of such a monumental achievement.

• Lost Voice and Celebration:
  After intense moments of celebration, Alex humorously mentions losing his voice due to excessive cheering and celebrating with his team and family.
  “I lost my voice. Been a lot of screaming and celebrating with the team, with the family.” (01:54)

• Milk Tradition and Victory Lap:
  Alex highlights the unique tradition of celebrating with milk instead of champagne, expressing his enjoyment of this distinctive post-race ritual. Additionally, he describes taking a victory lap in a pickup truck to interact with and thank fans personally.
  “The milk is the biggest tradition, right?... I did a lap after the race was complete, just saying hello to the fans and thank you.” (02:13)

• Messages and Recognition:
  He touches upon receiving messages from notable figures like Pau Gasol and a letter from the King of Spain, emphasizing the personal significance of his victory.
  “I received a letter from the kings of Spain, which is pretty cool.” (03:02)

• Coffee Shop Ventures:
  Reflecting on his life before racing success, Alex talks about opening a coffee shop with his wife in Girona, Spain, as a backup plan if racing didn't pan out. Despite challenges like the COVID-19 pandemic, he regards the experience positively.
  “We opened a coffee shop... but I'm glad that my racing career went better than my coffee shop.” (05:31)

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3. Racing Insights and Future Ambitions (07:21 - 16:41)

Dan, Stugotz, and Alex delve into the technical and strategic aspects of IndyCar racing, discussing the challenges posed by hybrid cars, tire management, and race conditions.

• Challenging Race Conditions:
  Alex explains the difficulties faced during the Indy 500, including handling hybrid car weight, cold temperatures affecting tire performance, and the need for aggressive driving from the onset.
  “It was super cold. It was tough to get the tires into temperature. It was easy to make mistakes.” (08:19)

• Physical and Mental Demands:
  He elaborates on the physical toll of racing, noting significant weight loss from sweat and the intense mental focus required over the course of the 500-mile race.
  “We lose about four or five pounds of just pure, pure sweat... it's quite physical.” (09:41)

• Future Goals:
  Looking ahead, Alex expresses his ambition to win both the Indy 500 and the championship in the same year, highlighting his satisfaction with his current team and his reluctance to switch to other racing formats like Formula 1.
  “We have an amazing group of people and there's not many places that I would rather go than where I am.” (11:20)

• Gaming Segment - Language Fun:
  In a light-hearted segment, Stugotz introduces a Spanish language game for Alex, leading to humorous exchanges and showcasing Alex's comfort with his native language.
  “Mercago enlaleche means... I’m going to shit on that milk.” (16:18)

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4. The Significance of the Indy 500 (17:12 - 18:21)

Alex underscores the historical and cultural importance of the Indy 500, not just within motorsport circles but also for the general public.

Notable Quote:
Alex Palou (17:32): “It’s huge. It’s amazing. It’s unbelievable to be in this position to represent the speedway, to represent the 500 miles, and I would say motorsport in general.”

He emphasizes the vast viewership and the global reach of the event, making his victory a landmark achievement.

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5. Championship Celebrations and Public Safety (22:06 - 28:55)

The conversation shifts to a broader discussion about how cities celebrate major sports championships, exploring both the communal joy and potential dangers involved.

• Incidents During Celebrations:
  Greg Cody highlights tragic incidents, such as a car driving into a crowd during Liverpool’s celebration, questioning the safety measures in place during large-scale festivities.
  “A car drove into a crowd... Wherever cities are celebrating major cities, there are all kinds of mayhem.” (22:34)

• Balancing Emotion and Safety:
  Stugotz argues that the intense emotions combined with alcohol and large crowds can create a volatile environment, potentially leading to dangerous situations.
  “Emotion, joy... mixed with liquor... creates a sense of danger.” (25:39)

• Dan Le Batard’s Perspective:
  Dan counters by noting that most championship celebrations in the U.S. proceed without incident, attributing issues to specific situations like the recent UK events rather than a general trend.
  “Most championship parades here in the United States go without incident.” (26:47)

• Community and Shared Joy:
  Greg Cody emphasizes the positive aspects of communal celebrations, where fans experience shared joy and camaraderie without negative occurrences, advocating for organized and safe festivities.
  “There’s a real communal community feeling.” (26:12)

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6. Tribute to Conan O'Brien's Comedy Evolution (28:55 - 40:21)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to praising Conan O'Brien’s recent comedic ventures, particularly his work on Apple TV.

• Evolution of Conan's Comedy:
  Stugotz and Dan admire Conan’s transition from traditional late-night formats to more ambitious projects like "Conan Must Go" and "Conan Without Borders," lauding his ability to remain relevant and hilarious over decades.
  “He is the funniest travel show ever made.” (34:53)
  “Conan o' Brien needs a friend... is extraordinarily funny.” (35:59)

• Physical and Improvisational Skills:
  They highlight Conan's exceptional improvisational abilities and his fearless approach to physical comedy, which keeps his performances fresh and engaging.
  “He makes it work with writing and delivery.” (33:10)
  “His improvisational skills too are just top level elite.” (34:53)

• Collaboration with Jordan Schlansky:
  The dynamic between Conan and his sidekick, Jordan Schlansky, is praised for its perfect balance, showcasing a well-established comedic partnership that enhances the overall humor.
  “They are a comedy team... making him the butt of the joke in a way that's really likable.” (35:59)

• Impact on Comedy:
  The hosts commend Conan for pushing the boundaries of traditional travel and comedy shows, making meaningful and entertaining content that resonates with a wide audience.
  “He’s connecting with his fans... creating a contagious sort of happiness.” (36:55)

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7. Additional Reflections and Closing Remarks (40:21 - 42:06)

The episode concludes with final thoughts on the discussed topics and light-hearted banter among the hosts.

Notable Quote:
Dan Le Batard (37:50): “Comedians don't have runs like this. They don't... Jay Leno and stand-up comedians have challenges maintaining relevance, but Conan is an alien for his longevity and adaptability.”

Stugotz (38:52): “I cannot tell you how high a compliment I'm giving him, given how much I admire his 30 years of work.”

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8. Advertisements and Sponsors (Throughout the Episode)

As per the episode's structure, advertisements for Zyn, Cuervo Tequila, DraftKings, LinkedIn Jobs, GameTime, and Factor Meals are interspersed. These segments are skipped in the summary as per the instructions.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers an engaging blend of sports triumph, personal anecdotes, in-depth discussions on public celebrations, and a heartfelt tribute to Conan O'Brien's enduring comedy career. Alex Palou's insights provide fans with a closer look at the life of a champion, while the hosts' dynamic conversation elevates the overall listening experience.

Transcript

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[Stugatz]

Alex Paulo isn't just a champion, he is the greatest. And I don't know whether he's willing to say he's the greatest or not, but he's a three time IndyCar Series champion. He's looking to go back to back this season. He's won five of his last six races, which is crazy, and finished second in the other one. And he got the Indy 500 yesterday. He's the first Spaniard to do so. So we're very excited to have Alex on the show. Thank you for joining us. Alex, what have the last 24 hours been like for you? How did you slee? How did you celebrate? How crazy has life been?

[Alex Palou]

Thank you guys for having me in the show, but it's been crazy. I mean, as you can see, I lost my voice. Been a lot of screaming and celebrating with the team, with the family.

[Stugatz]

Can you tell me what the highlight was after winning and all of the experiences of the last 24 hours after the winning? Does it have to be the milk?

[Alex Palou]

Yes, I would say the milk. I mean the milk is the biggest tradition, right? And it's the biggest difference to all other races. Instead of champagne is milk and that milk tasted so good. I loved it, every second of it. But I would say the victory lap we did at the end. So basically I went over a pickup truck and I did a lap after the race was complete, just saying hello to the fans and thank you so that it was the first time that I was able to experience so many fans and to celebrate with them. There was a lot of people that stayed with us to celebrate at the end, so that was probably one of the highlights.

[Stugatz]

How about in terms of people you heard from, somebody you were able to share it with that it was a little extra moving than it might have been Other under circ who. Somebody who understood what it meant for you to win this race.

[Alex Palou]

I haven't had much time to go over the phone and all the messages. Honestly, it's been nonstop. But I heard there was Pau Gasol that used to be in the Lakers, that he. He's been following me lately, I think because he knows that obviously I'm from Spain and I'm raising here in US So similar to him. Then I had. I received a letter from the kings of Spain, which. That's pretty cool. I mean, it's not every day that you. You receive a letter from them. So, yeah, I cannot wait to go and scroll all over the messages that.

[Tony]

I went pow before the king.

[Stugatz]

You did go pow. Gasol. Bit of a stunner to go pow over the cave. He's a legend, Dan, but also stunning that you just simply haven't had time to listen or look at your messages. Have you slept at all?

[Alex Palou]

I slept, yeah. I would say, like, four hours after race and then another four or five hours last night. We went to the banquet celebration last night in Indianapolis, and we got to New York at about 1:00am so, yeah, it's been nonstop, but honestly, it's been amazing. I'm enjoying every second of it. I'm very tired, but I'm loving.

[Tony]

Dan introduced you as the greatest IndyCar driver of all time. Are you.

[Alex Palou]

No, Absolutely not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that what he did?

[Alex Palou]

I mean, it's.

[Stugatz]

No one's had this kind of start since AJ Foyt. It was 50 years ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's having an incredible season. It's. People don't really know this race takes, like, three weeks to qualify and practice for. There were over 7 million people watching, over 350,000 people in attendance. I'm sure part of the celebration is, well, I've done it. But also, where do you go from here? You're in the middle of one of the greatest seasons ever. It's kind of hard to kind of re acclimate to the grind of the regular season in an Indy car.

[Alex Palou]

Yeah. Honestly, it's been an amazing start of the season for us at cheap Ganassi racing and the 10 car. Like, we've won five or six races. I've never experienced it anything like that. But the team has done an amazing job on giving us a really fast car every single weekend. Where do we go from here? Detroit. I mean, this weekend we have a great opportunity to try and win at Detroit, try and do our best there. It's going to be tough. Like, I cannot have the best preparation that we normally have being on the media tour, but it'll be fun. And then trying to win the championship this year would be super cool to win the Indy 500 and the championship the same year.

[Stugatz]

Can you take us back to what your thinking was about this as a life and career? When you were opening a coffee shop with your wife before all of this winning started, and you thought that maybe that would be the career for you if racing didn't work out?

[Alex Palou]

Yeah, that was back in 2018. I didn't know if I was going to have a real chance. I was not professional back then. I was racing all over the world. But it was tough to get a real contract. For years. I didn't think or I didn't know if I was going to have a career. So we were like, you know what? Let's do something together with my wife. So we opened a coffee shop. We ran it for two years, and then we moved to America as soon as I moved to IndyCar. So we sold it. It was fun. We learned a lot, and I'm glad that my racing career went better than my coffee shop.

[Stugatz]

Well, you were terrible. You were terrible at it, right? You were doing all of the work. You were cleaning tables. But you were a terrible coffee shop owner, Were you?

[Alex Palou]

I was not doing everything, but I did clean a lot of tables and I did make a lot of coffees. I thought I was decent. I was working my ass off every single day there because it was our business. But it was fun. It huge.

[Stugatz]

Forgive me a correction. Were you a successful coffee shop owner? Was. Was the coffee shop something that would have been a good career if racing hadn't worked out?

[Alex Palou]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. It was great. Like, honestly, it was on this little town in Spain called Girona. It's like an hour away from Barcelona. Lovely town. And yeah, it was. It was going really well. Then Covid hit us. We were still doing great, but, yeah, I think it would have been a good. A good business.

[Stugatz]

But if I had come to you and said, what do your wildest dreams look like that are realistic right now in racing? Does it look anything like your last six races?

[Alex Palou]

Absolutely not. Like, my, My goal back then was to hopefully one day be part of IndyCar. When I say be part, it's just like have a contract of like one year and be able to make all the races and have fun and hopefully get a win or something. But, yeah, it was not what we have today. This is a wild dream that I'm living on and, yeah, it's. It's insane.

[Dan Le Batard]

It seemed like the conditions this year were unique. The track was damp because it was a delay as all the drivers were in their car. You had very seasoned veterans making mistakes. Cars stall out on the pit. Connor Daly admitted to peeing himself. Kyle Larson as a has a spin out and takes out Stingray Rob. It was a very confusing race for people that are just jumping into IndyCar mid season. What was so difficult about the cars and the track this year?

[Alex Palou]

Well, it was the first time we had the hybrids at the speedway that it just added a little bit of weight, a little bit stress to the tires. Then the conditions were not amazing. Like, it was super cold. I think it was the coldest Indy 500 we had in the past 10 or 15 years. So it was tough to get the tires into temperature. It was easy to make mistakes, and at the same time, it's. The feel is so close that you need to go super aggressive nowadays since lap one, just to try and move yourself up front and have a chance at the end to fight for the win. So, yeah, was tough to get into a rhythm with so many yellows at the beginning. But, yeah, I'm glad everything worked out for us.

[Stugatz]

Have you ever peed yourself?

[Alex Palou]

No, not. No. Never? Never. Until today, Never. Connor did. I know some drivers did, but, yeah, I was close, actually. I was close. We had the rain delay at the beginning of the race. We're sitting in the car for like 35 minutes. There was nothing going on. Just think that we try and hydrate as much as possible before the race because it's going to be a long two and a half, three hours and you know you're going to sweat a lot. So being sitting in the car for like 35 minutes without doing anything, your mind started being like, okay, Alex, you need to pee, you need to pee, you need to pee. So, yeah, I think that's what happened to Conor. That's what he said, but I'm glad they didn't have to make it.

[Stugatz]

Can you explain to the person who might not understand the physical, emotional and mental drain of how you feel after a race when you have gone in that particular heat? Losing. I don't know, how much weight do you lose during one of these races and how exhausting is it to be that kind of focused for that long?

[Alex Palou]

I would say we lose about four or five pounds of just pure, pure sweat. Just think that it's a 500 mile race. Like although we're going really fast, it's still 500 miles that you're sitting and strapped in that racing car, that it's not. The suspension is made for performance, not for being comfortable. We don't have power steering, we don't have power brakes. So it's quite physical. And then just the mental stress of like not being able to relax for two and a half hours. You need to constantly know what you're doing, look for any accidents around you and try and avoid any, any scenarios. So yeah, it's fun, it's fun what we do, but for sure it's, it's exhausting.

[Stugatz]

How often will you have drifting thoughts where you're like just thinking, you know, I enjoyed that ham sandwich in Portugal that time there or like how often do you have thoughts that aren't about racing while racing?

[Alex Palou]

There's, I mean during a race it happens sometimes, sometimes it happens that you're like, oh wow, that, that coffee man, or I need a coffee or, or you start thinking about stuff. But it's, it's important to refocus super quick. It's, that's, I think that's a key. It's normal to have like thoughts that are from the outset that are not related to racing. We don't have it. At least I don't have it very often but, but sometimes happens during the race.

[Stugatz]

Any chance of you going to F1?

[Alex Palou]

No, I tried like I tried three years ago. I did some testing with it but didn't really have a full time ride there. So it was better to focus on IndyCar trying to get as many wins and championships as possible. So yeah, man, now I think I'm in, in a perfect scenario with the team with the 10 car, DHL with us. We have an amazing group of people and there's not many places that I would rather go than where I am and actually it would be really, really tough to live.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also it seems like it's a really difficult thing to do racing multiple circuits. I know you came from F1. Kyle Larson had the famous double attempt this past Sunday. Only one time has it ever been successful. I don't know if you're at the point where you feel like you have enough accomplishments that you can even entertain, may maybe possibly pull on a double. NASCAR seems to be about it and afford someone doing it the other way. Coming from IndyCar going into a NASCAR. But Kyle Larson seems very dejected. Had a very frustrating day out on that track, and it sounds like he doesn't necessarily want to give it another go. What kind of advice would you give him? Because it did bring a lot of good attention to the sport.

[Alex Palou]

Oh, it was great. It was huge for us, honestly. Like, Kyle is an amazing driver. Not only he's good, but also like how he carries the, the sport and how he talks about it. It's. It's amazing. He's an amazing driver. I think it's just very. It's. It's a very long two weeks for, for IndyCar. Like, we are there. The pressure is on. You're there like every single day at the track. It's long days and then combining that with something else, it has to be very demanding physically and emotionally, mentally, everything. So I think it has to be very, very tough. I would say that nowadays it's easier for a NASCAR driver to come to IndyCar because we have so much testing, while if there's an IndyCar driver that wants to go to NASCAR for the double, you don't really have much testing. So you don't really have the opportunity to learn about the car, the team, and just to get comfortable with it. Although I would love to do it if I had the opportunity, the good opportunity one day, why not? I love racing cars. I think I would get in trouble there. Like, these guys know how to race on ovals very well and their style of racing, it's a little more. More aggressive than what we have in IndyCar. But still would be. Would be fun to one day try it.

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[Tony]

Alex, you went to the Nick Pacers game after winning the Indy 500. I'm wondering, courtside seats?

[Alex Palou]

Yes.

[Tony]

Yes. Did you leave when the paces were up 20?

[Alex Palou]

No. So I actually entered a court when I think where they were about tight, then they were up 20. The energy was super high and I stayed until the end. And yes, the, the energy at the end wasn't. Wasn't great.

[Stugatz]

How have you sat courtside before or. This is fresh off the championship and this is. You were expecting courtside? Like, would you have not gone in if they put you 17 rows up?

[Alex Palou]

I would still have gone. Honestly, I just wanted to celebrate a little with more people to get the vibe. I mean, the energy at the city right now, it's amazing. But, yeah, it was my second time being courtside. It's amazing. You need to be also all the time in alert because these guys that are, I don't know how tall and they just come aggressive at you. So, yeah, it was a fun time. It was a fun night, and I was glad to be able to experience it once again.

[Stugatz]

Tony. Tony wants to play a game with you. Your English is exceptional, but it is not your first language. And so Tony wishes to play a game with you in your first language. Let's play it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dimono mi gente, Alex. Felicidad tio. Okay, so. So I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a phrase in Spanish and you're gonna tell our audience what it means in English. Okay? Are you ready?

[Alex Palou]

Okay, I'll try my best.

[Stugatz]

They're dirty, though. I'm scared. They're dirty.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're dirty.

[Stugatz]

They're usually dirty. I don't know whether he's gonna like this game or not.

[Alex Palou]

He's also got Spanish.

[Dan Le Batard]

He uses VSO throws. All right, let's spin the wheel and see where it lands.

[Stugatz]

Roy has no idea where the wheel is. He doesn't know how.

[Tony]

Fake wheel.

[Stugatz]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, I know where it landed.

[Stugatz]

Excellent.

[Dan Le Batard]

How do you like that? Alex, can you please let the people know what mercago enlaleche means?

[Stugatz]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Palou]

Mercago enlaleche.

[Stugatz]

Jesus.

[Alex Palou]

That would be like. I mean, do I need to translate it or the meaning of the phrase? Because if I translate it is, I'm going to shit on that milk. But it's. It has a different. It has a different meaning.

[Stugatz]

That is. Right. Well, hold on a second. Just so that you know, the Indy 500 winner has said that he's going to shit on that milk. That is what he has said.

[Tony]

But.

[Stugatz]

And so we've gotten him in a huge explaining.

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[Stugatz]

Well, no, that's what he said.

[Alex Palou]

I'm not liking this game.

[Stugatz]

We all. Jasper, you can all also say what it means to say, I'm going to shit on that milk. Which makes no sense.

[Alex Palou]

Yeah, it makes. It makes no sense. But it's more like saying, dang it. Or. Yeah, some words that I prefer not.

[Stugatz]

To say here okay, well, it's too late. You already said them. We tricked you because you're tired after your delirium. On this one last note, before we let you go, can you explain to us the historical perspective of what it means to win this particular race, which is different for anyone who cares about racing than all the other races?

[Alex Palou]

It's huge. It's amazing. It's unbelievable to be in this position to represent the speedway, to represent the 500 miles, and I would say motorsport in general, it was a dream of mine to one day be here. But honestly, it's not only an important race for the motorsport community, it's also important for everybody that it's not normally following motorsport. They learn about it, they hear about it. And we had like 8.4 million people watching the end of the race on Sunday on Fox. So it's huge, it's worldwide and it's amazing to be part of it.

[Tony]

Final question here. We play a game around here called Indy 500 for your life. Okay? I'm going to give you two drivers. You have to pick one of them. If that guy were to lose, you would die. Okay? You understand the game.

[Stugatz]

A lot of pressure.

[Alex Palou]

I'm not liking your games, guys. What's going on?

[Tony]

Okay, but Indy 500 for your life, you have two options, okay? Alonso or AJ Foyt. Who you going with?

[Alex Palou]

I would say probably AJ Foyt.

[Tony]

Yeah. You're living.

[Stugatz]

All right. Congratulations. Alex gets to live. He's the first racer since AJ Foyt in 1979. Five of six races and again he finished second in the other one. And he also shits on your milk. Thank you, sir. Gracias. Congratulations.

[Alex Palou]

Thank you, guys. That was fun.

[Stugatz]

He's deeply embarrassed. He did say it. We've got it for all time now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Bad spot milk is kind of like a big deal when it comes to D and D fighting.

[Stugatz]

Yes, we did well.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's why I did the thing. And he said like, do you want me to like literally translate or give you the meaning? And you're like, no literal. And like, he was like trying to.

[Stugatz]

Like, got your journalism. That's exactly what we did there.

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[Greg Cody]

The worst part of the life of what?

[Alex Palou]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Tony]

My sense is he misses that coffee shop. I mean, seriously, did you guys sense that? I wanted to ask him if he wanted to get back in. I'd go 50, 50 Little Espresso Lane. I mean, how about that?

[Greg Cody]

I like it. I like that. Yes.

[Stugatz]

Greg Cody had an opinion here today that I had not heard from him before. And I don't know what instigated it. Greg Cody has said that in general, cities are bad at celebrating championships. And first of all, I don't know how he arrived at the take and I don't know why he's having it today. Is there something in particular that got your attention on celebrating championships where a city did it poorly?

[Greg Cody]

Well, there was the thing in Liverpool. They were celebrating a soccer championship and a car. It wasn't terrorism or anything, maybe it was an accident, but a car drove into a crowd. Wherever cities are celebrating major cities, you hear about, you know, people are falling from lamp posts and fireworks are going off and there's all kind of mayhem. Why can't we just celebrate to celebrate without feeling like we have to like mob mentality where everybody's all of a sudden doing things they shouldn't do. And, and it just, I think cities need to really take a step back and rethink the whole idea of how we celebrate what should be nothing but a joyous stand to the side, stand to the side.

[Tony]

I think you're saying organize it more.

[Stugatz]

Right?

[Greg Cody]

I mean, something, it's just, it's gotten out of hand. And it used to be like Detroit always had that reputation. Now I feel like it's every city, there are incidents going on. Like the Kansas City Chiefs, there was a, like a big crime during their celebration.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mass shooting.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's become depressing almost because when a team wins a big championship and there's a big celebration, a parade, what have you, you almost expect something terrible to happen.

[Stugatz]

Well, let me explore this part with you guys because obviously if you mix emotion, joy or any emotion with liquor, you're going to have a certain sense of danger involved and risk involved. But if on top of that, I say to you the following. Sports create an emotion unlike anything else in your life. If you're a sports fan, if I say, greatest day of your life, when did you exhibit the most emotion. I don't know if you jumped up and down and screamed when your children were born or whatever you view as the happiest days of your life, but you'll do that in a game three of a series. Screaming at the television with an emotion outsized compared to all of your other emotion and emotion you share with strangers in a way you don't even at concerts. When you go to concerts, there's nothing like sports in terms of triggering both crazy emotions, high end and low end. And then of course, when I throw a bunch of people together and those crazy emotions and permission to be joyous and out of control, all of those things can be a powder keg that there are no boundaries for. Right. That security isn't gonna prevent people from getting trampled in crowded place. I don't know, outside of Pamplona, a lot like it in terms of I'm gonna put these ingredients together where there's danger and a party and I'm gonna throw emotion into the mix and then I'm not gonna get any collateral damage.

[Dan Le Batard]

It should be noted though, this happened over in the uk. Outside of the Kansas City ones, most championship parades here in the United States go without incident. And it's a massive logistical hurdle that many teams and communities clear. This one was different. And I think you're fair to criticize if you watch the buildup and how that video happened with this particular attack, it seemed totally avoidable and a building up of tension and all the emotion and yes, certainly some alcohol fueling to it, but this was a very like UK issue, this particular incident.

[Greg Cody]

Well, when, when you're in a stadium, I think one of the greatest parts of being a fan is you're in, in the stadium, the home team scores a big touchdown, wins a huge game. You're high fiving with neighbors in the stands that you don't even know. Right. There's a real communal community feeling. There should be that same thing when 100,000, 300,000 people are gathering to celebrate winning a championship. But it as often as not, and I don't think it's rare that it happens as often as not, it gets out of hand. Whether it's just a few people causing trouble, I don't know the dynamic of that.

[Tony]

It's free and it's a free for all. But why is there's no assigned seating?

[Greg Cody]

Why is everyone free for all?

[Tony]

Because that won't. Because it's free and everyone wants to try to get the best seat. That's part of the problem. They're fighting to get closer to the parade.

[Stugatz]

I don't think you're right though, the math. I'll have to call my math friends, but I don't think you're right on the idea that it happens more often than not. You'll have your occasional arrest, but obviously something like what happened in Liverpool is noticeable enough that it's not common in any way for a car to go careening into a crowd and also then the subsequent reporting to show it's not terrorism because we've got that general fear around everything that we're doing around the globe these days. But I want to ask all of you, what finishes second place to this set of ingredients? The joy around winning a championship creating for a bunch of human beings an outward emotion all of us can see that looks bigger than any other emotion they've shown in their life. For anything that they get to share with strangers and a community, I want to know what the distant second is on now. Add liquor to that and see where all of it goes and how dangerous that will be if I put all of those things together.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think contextually too, there were other trophy celebrations going on in the UK simultaneously. Tottenham won their first trophy in over 30 years for the Europa League final. And they've had a dreadful season. So they had every reason a party to the absolute peak went without incident. Crystal palace is a club that never wins trophies. They win the FA cup, they have their big celebration. Liverpool championship parades fairly commonplace recently over there. I think if you look at this in a vacuum, you can make all sorts of changes and everything like that, or you can look at it on the surface and realize we don't really see things like this. I don't know. All the times a car has gone careening into pedestrians during a parade. I understand the images were shocking, totally avoidable, really heartbreaking. But I don't know if you want to stand in the way of tradition because this one incident when there were a lot of breakdowns here, the last.

[Stugatz]

Time it happened was in New Orleans where a car drove into a crowd. It wasn't celebrating a champion.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, that was a terrorist attack.

[Stugatz]

It was. But I don't agree with Greg on his premise that this happens more often than not. I think more often than not these things go off without major incident. And I still want an answer to my question. What else in the world exists that is this particular cauldron where it is inviting some of it? If you've got people out of control with emotion, even if it's happiness like it can happen too, with unhappiness. But even if it's happiness, I really don't have a life example for you. On things like this that are shared with strangers where you're going to be outside yourself with what is normal emotion. And now you're going to mix it with a bunch of people where you're just out of control with delirium.

[Tony]

I don't think there's anything else.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because how many things in the world.

[Tony]

Are this many people getting together at the same time? Concerts or music?

[Dan Le Batard]

But like, then that's it, right? Anything else? And there have been bad situations at music festivals. Tragedy with the Astro world, the, the Woodstock 99. Things can go out of hand. I was recently at a, at a music festival in Daytona and there were 250,000 people that went through the turn cells for the three day weekend during a heat wave. And you would think metal festival. All the makings of things going bad. And they go out of their way to lower the price of water, allow reentry. Really good concert organizers go out of their way to mitigate some of these circumstances that could lead into a tragic situation like AstroWorld.

[Tony]

You get a scarlet fire second set at a dead show. You'll see strangers hugging strangers. The fact it's a lyric in the song strangers stopping strangers just to shake.

[Stugatz]

Their hands, that's drugs, though. That's not emotion.

[Tony]

Oh, it's totally mushrooms. Yes.

[Stugatz]

I wanted to ask you guys something here because I told you I've been talking recently on Apple tv that Seth Rogen, I underestimated him. I think of him with a certain kind of comedy that feels like pineapple express or 40 year old virgin or anything in that realm which is funny, but not necessarily smart and captivating or artistic. And the studio on Apple TV is an extraordinarily funny and well made artistic endeavor. It's a beautiful thing. But there's another thing that I've seen recently in comedy that I cannot recommend strongly enough. And you know, if you've been listening for a while, that I regard this man as a genius because of his comedy being just so extraordinarily likable and enduring. But Conan and Conan o' Brien Must Go is the funniest travel show ever made. And it follows Conan Without Borders, which was also exceptional, but it is such ambitious comedy and television that he's making while ripping everyone off so that he can just travel the world and see the entire entirety of the world. And travel shows are the easiest thing in, in the world to make, but they're not easy to make funny. They're not easy to make this kind of. Well, where they have range and creativity. And there are only three episodes so far. But what he tried to achieve with Conan Without Borders, which was great, he is now surpassed because he has gotten better at the making of a travel show. And it is just, just wildly entertaining to see him make fun of himself in a way that's likable and give himself over physically to something that is just wildly funny.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's also odd for a 62 year old to keep their funny. He's been in comedy for close to 30 years. He's had a shtick. Usually the act runs dry that well runs dry. Especially someone who relies so much on the physical aspects of comedy. He's diving around at a soccer game, busing himself open at north of 60. So it's really the ambition to do this in your 60s, the ability to remain relevant, to remain funny. Doing the same jokes that you've been done in terms of physical comedy well into your 60s is not a grace that we afford comedians all that much. But he makes it work with writing and delivery.

[Stugatz]

Not only that though, Stugots because he's got a lot of help from famous people and funny people, but. But it is rare. I am grateful for our partnership in a thousand different ways and I am grateful for you as the helper on the things that we do for 20 years. But what he does with Jordan Schlansky, his sidekick on being just the obnoxious, smarter than everyone person, but always as the straight man and neither one of them breaking characters, allowing Conan not to be the butt of the joke, but allowing Conan to make someone else the butt of the joke in a way that's really likable because the guy that he's doing this with is a friend who's purposely trying to be unlikable and effortlessly doing so because he is unlikable with how much he knows it is a comedy team. I'm not kidding you for all time, if you listen to Conan needs a friend. And what he's doing on Sirius xm, what they're doing in partnership I'd argue is. And this is, this is a compliment, okay? Cuz this man has had 30 years on television making things different than everyone else. I'd argue that what he's doing now is the best of what he's doing because he's most comfortable and most likable in a format that doesn't have the rigidities and the cold of television and television lights. So he's connecting with his fans and this particular project. Mike, I don't know what you've been most impressed by watching, but the way that he ends up, for example, doing things that test the limits of I'm just going to appear randomly in a famous soap opera in that country where they don't even speak English or make.

[Dan Le Batard]

A Norwegian rap song. His improvisational skills too are just top level elite. Because a lot of what goes on in the show, and I don't mean to, I don't see the script, I don't know what exactly they're planning, but the way that it feels is alright, we're just gonna have you talk to this person that hosts like a Viking cosplay thing and just go be funny. That's a very difficult goal to achieve. Hey funnyman, just in your 60s, go be funny and make us laugh. And improv and you don't know what this person is gonna say. You react and you make the people laugh. And he delivers. Yes, there's great production, there are bit players around him that make it work. But ultimately at the heart of it, it lives and dies with Conan o' Brien's performance to be as funny as he's ever been at 62 years old and to also be endearing to the audience, not push people away. A guy doing physical comedy and doing the same shticky stuff that you've seen him do that can grow tired and grating on an audience and he finds a way to apply enough humanity and be likable enough that you end up rooting for him even when he's antagonizing people around him. It's a special skill that he has stugats.

[Stugatz]

I cannot tell you you how high a compliment I'm giving him personally, given how much I admire 30 years more than 30 years of work for somebody who worked on the Simpsons. And his talk show was groundbreaking even amid the giants of late night television. To call the work he's presently doing the best of his career. It's just a huge tribute to wherever it is his neuroses and his needs for attention make him somebody who has to be the clown who gets people's attention and knows how to get their attention with funny. But also pulls off the second trick, which is the hardest thing to do. The likability is indisputable. Anybody watching that is going to come away. You might not even think he's funny, but you're like, man, that that guy is great around people. It's just so nice to see him create.

[Tony]

He's Comfortable around people.

[Stugatz]

Just such a contagious sort of happiness that he's spreading by embracing. I'm a 6 foot 6 red clown clown with crudely painted eyes like you'd find on a doll. And making fun of himself physically and having very little ego. And then on top of that, having a conversation on his podcast network with John Mayer, for example, where you're like, oh, my God, I knew John Mayer was smart and interesting. I had no idea that he had that range as both smart and funny that Conan o' Brien just brought out of him. Because Conan o' Brien needs a friend. Like, I really can't speak highly enough about what Conan o' Brien is doing with this portion of his career.

[Dan Le Batard]

Comedians don't have runs like this. They don't. Look how sick people got of Jay Leno. Look how sick and stand up comedians. I mean, the Dice man exists in a moment in time.

[Tony]

The guy who had it was George Carlin.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's. Yeah, to be a timeless act, but also shticky. And to have people still waiting for you to do the shticky stuff while you're also challenging yourself on the improv, he's just, he's an alien. For him to be this funny for this long, to be that quick improvisationally, to have built out bits, because what he does with Schleinsky, it's like a really built out bit over time and still deliver time in and time out. I'm just in awe of the guy.

[Greg Cody]

I remember 15 or 20 years ago, the comedian Albert Brooks had a pretty. What I thought was a pretty inventive documentary or film. I don't know how they characterize it.

[Stugatz]

I don't think it's that old. I think it's more recent than that. It's not 15 years old.

[Greg Cody]

Looking for comedy in the Muslim world is what I'm talking about.

[Stugatz]

Okay. It's a different one that you're. I'm thinking of the one he just made more recently.

[Greg Cody]

No, but, but, but that was the same type of thing where he's going to a foreign country and, and trying to find the comedy. But you're right about Conan o' Brien. I have such respect for him. I have yet to see this new series, but certainly will based on.

[Stugatz]

You haven't seen either of them. You haven't seen Conan Without Borders.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Norway thing is as good a standalone piece of television that when the goal is we're gonna try to make you laugh with a travel show, I don't see how you can do it better than he did.

[Stugatz]

That I would recommend it strongly. I would also say to you, Roy, see if you can find for me, because when he mentioned Albert Brooks. Albert Brooks. I saw the recent documentary on Albert Brooks that I believe was done by Judd Apatow, who has also done a very good documentary on Garry Shandling. And the details escape me right now on how the father of Albert Brooks died. But I want to get to that story before we get out of here because comedically, it's dark comedy, perfect for Albert Brooks father to die, I believe during a speech or during a performance at a Friar's roast of some sort. And the details are crazy. On dark comedy on how it is that his father died. And memorable. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Harry Einstein died after performing a stand up routine at Lucille Ball's induction into the Friars Club. This was back in 1958. He did the routine. He killed and then he sat down and then he died.

[Stugatz]

Okay. But there was also a song that played right afterward that was basically a song about. About death and what you heard Roy write. Albert Brooks real name is Albert Einstein. His original last name is indeed Einstein, and his brother is Super Dave. Our friend Bob Einstein, rest in peace.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Mulaney, in that Kennedy honors, which was also a very interesting point in time for that particular honor to happen, said being a Conan supporter is like rooting for a recreational center, an underserved part of the community that is constantly under threat of being shut down. Like, you feel like you have to do a GoFundMe every 10 years for Conan's career to be able to make your audience jump through so many hoops to have your back and to still lift them up with laughter after all these years. Name another example of someone that's done that. The song was called there's no Tomorrow. Dan wouldn't understand this. He's busy running a content circus. But if you're actually running a business, then you know hiring the right people isn't just important, it's everything. And that's why LinkedIn jobs is an absolute game changer for small business owners. You're juggling payroll logistics, maybe even mopping the floors before you open. You don't have time for flaky resumes, ghosted interviews, or job boards that feel like a black hole when it's time to hire. You need a partner who grinds just like you. LinkedIn. They don't sleep. You clock out. They clock in. They'll help you write the job, post quickly and click, clearly promote it. You'll get three times more qualified applicants. Not a guess. Real data, and Once it's live, LinkedIn helps you amplify it by sharing it with your network. You can even add that hiring frame to your profile, which doubles the number of qualified candidates you're likely to see. This is built for business owners who care about getting it right. Post your job for [e-mail] dls that's LinkedIn.com ds dls to post your job for free. Terms and conditions apply.

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