Hour 1: Reacting To Mack Brown's Firing And Weight Loss (feat. Steve Hely)

Summary

Detailed Summary of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
• Episode: Hour 1: Reacting To Mack Brown's Firing And Weight Loss (feat. Steve Hely)
• Release Date: November 26, 2024
• Description: From the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their team delve into sports, pop culture, and more, featuring segments like the daily "Local Hour," the "Big Suey," and unexpected surprises.

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1. Reacting to Mack Brown's Firing and Weight Loss

The episode kicks off with the hosts addressing the recent firing of Mack Brown from his coaching position at North Carolina. They discuss the circumstances leading to his departure, highlighting the poor performance that culminated in him being given an ultimatum: either step down or be fired.

• Dan Le Batard ([21:14]): "Mack Brown has left North Carolina or been unceremoniously canned."
• Mike Ryan ([21:01]): "A nice job has opened up. That should have gotten him fired when he gave up 52 at the half at home to James Madison."
• Chris Cody ([21:15]): "Part of the Mac Brown life cycle. Yes, I'll quit. No, actually, actually thought about it. Don’t want to quit. You're going to have to fire me."

The conversation reflects on Mack Brown’s legacy, questioning whether this role is the final chapter of his coaching career. They ponder the impact of his weight loss on his professional image and effectiveness.

2. Greg Cody's Victory Lap and Peloton Sponsorship

Greg Cody receives a humorous "victory lap" sponsored by Peloton, symbolizing his recent successes and highlighting the show's playful dynamic.

• Mike Ryan ([02:03]): "Greg's prize is exercising."
• Stugotz ([02:32]): "I tried to host a Peloton class while chatting on Twitter Spaces, but it was too difficult to talk and exercise simultaneously."
• Greg Cody ([05:07]): "Had to overcome a lot in all three phases. It was a back and forth game."

The segment emphasizes the camaraderie among the hosts and introduces Peloton’s promotional content seamlessly into the discussion.

3. Analysis of C.J. Stroud’s Performance and Potential Regression

A significant portion of the episode delves into the performance of C.J. Stroud, examining whether he has regressed in his gameplay. The hosts analyze various factors affecting his performance, such as increased sacks and interceptions.

• Mike Ryan ([10:02]): "I legitimately don’t know enough about football to tell you, hey, all those guys sacking you all the time, is that going to change how you do your job?"
• Dan Le Batard ([10:06]): "C.J. Stroud has nine interceptions through half the season, whereas last year he had five total."
• Chris Cody ([10:55]): "One of his better games was against Detroit where protection held up, but he threw interceptions by relying more on touch than zip."

The hosts debate whether Stroud’s challenges are due to external pressures like offensive line weaknesses or internal issues such as decision-making under stress.

4. Humorous Take on Public Scales and Weight Jokes

Shifting gears, the conversation takes a lighter turn as the hosts share humorous anecdotes about public scales, weight loss, and body image.

• Billy Gill ([16:53]): "These shoes weigh 20 pounds each because I want them to realize that I'm fully clothed, I'm wearing heavy shoes."
• Mike Ryan ([19:55]): "Do women read a lot more than men? Yes or no?"
• Stugotz ([19:59]): "Greg is saying he's getting fatter and Chris is saying he's losing weight. When did it become a bad thing to be Wilt?"

The banter highlights the show's trademark humor, poking fun at personal struggles with weight and societal perceptions.

5. Interview with Steve Healy: Navigating the New York Times Bestseller List

The episode features an interview with Steve Healy, an Emmy-winning writer and author, who provides insights into securing a spot on the New York Times Bestseller List. The discussion covers strategies for selling books, the enigmatic nature of the ranking system, and the challenges authors face in gaining visibility.

• Greg Cody ([28:13]): "The Times are deliberately strange about their methods. They don't reveal much, but they try to favor actual bookstores over bulk sales."
• Steve Healy ([27:36]): "To reach the bestseller list, you need to sell copies in bulk, such as through fan groups or book clubs. However, the Times monitors for suspicious activity."
• Greg Cody ([29:31]): "Your show should sell copies in bulk to fan groups. But if you do it suspiciously, the Times will likely catch on."

Healy emphasizes the importance of genuine sales through reputable channels and cautions against tactics that might be flagged as manipulative.

6. Final Thoughts on Mack Brown’s Career and Future Opportunities

In wrapping up, the hosts reflect on Mack Brown’s tenure and speculate on potential successors for the coaching position at North Carolina. They acknowledge the substantial resources and revenue the university sports programs generate, suggesting that future coaches will have a strong foundation to build upon.

• Chris Cody ([36:26]): "Everyone inside the ACC is envious of their situation because they're probably the most appealing program to bring over."
• Mike Ryan ([36:26]): "It's always going to be a weird one because it's never going to be the most important sport to that school."
• Dan Le Batard ([37:01]): "In terms of generating revenue, the other sports at Carolina are massive, but they've never really gone all-in on football."

The discussion points to North Carolina's potential as a "sleeping giant" in college football, given its resources and strategic positioning within the ACC.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dan Le Batard ([21:14]): "Mack Brown has left North Carolina or been unceremoniously canned."
• Mike Ryan ([10:02]): "I legitimately don’t know enough about football to tell you, hey, all those guys sacking you all the time, is that going to change how you do your job?"
• Billy Gill ([16:53]): "These shoes weigh 20 pounds each because I want them to realize that I'm fully clothed, I'm wearing heavy shoes."
• Greg Cody ([28:13]): "The Times are deliberately strange about their methods. They don't reveal much, but they try to favor actual bookstores over bulk sales."
• Dan Le Batard ([37:01]): "In terms of generating revenue, the other sports at Carolina are massive, but they've never really gone all-in on football."

Conclusion

This episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" offers a blend of sports analysis, humor, and insightful discussions. From reacting to Mack Brown's unexpected firing and exploring C.J. Stroud’s challenges on the field to sharing laughs over public scales and strategizing for bestseller success with Steve Healy, the hosts deliver an engaging and multifaceted conversation. Their dynamic interplay ensures that both hardcore sports fans and casual listeners find something to enjoy, making it a standout episode in the series.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Mike Ryan]

Brought to you by Peloton. You get to go into the other room and tell us how right you were about something and exercise your right to be right. So get to the victory lap room. There you go.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg's prize is exercising.

[Mike Ryan]

Exercising and a drum solo. The floor is his on something that he was right about. He gets to do a victory lap and gets the gets the entire show. It's a giant platform, Stugatza. Much as you've used it to get a bestseller. Today he gets a drum solo on a giant platform where he gets to tell the world how right he was.

[Stugotz]

And he gets to use the Peloton app, which is great. Oh God, I wish if I could go out, if I could get punished and have to go out there and instead of the penalty box I get to do like a 5 minute core class every day. A dream, I'd misbehave.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm all for you doing takes while doing a five minute core class, if you wish to do that.

[Stugotz]

I tried one time when I was doing Guillermo time to, like, do a. What is it, like, on Twitter, Live, whatever, what's it called? Twitter spaces or something like that. I tried to do one of those on one of my, like, initial Guillermo times where I was, like, talking to, like, everybody that joined and was doing the class. I'm like, hey, join Twitter spaces. We'll just talk through this class together. Right? And I don't know how the trainers do it on peloton, to be honest. It's very hard to talk while you're doing it. Thankfully, and this is going to sound weird, thankfully, I had someone bail me out and join the Twitter spaces and just have a conversation with me. And granted, it was a selfish move on his part because it benefited him, but it was Mark Feldman. So me and Mark Feldman hosted a peloton ride together one time because I couldn't talk while I was doing exercise. So no thank you on the whole. Host the class.

[Mike Ryan]

Feldman in sales. Is he another one of these Feldman in sales people who wants to be on air and wants to be a star?

[Stugotz]

Wants to get unknown, but I could see him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he seems to be that kind.

[Stugotz]

Of guy once he gets the taste.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Got all the accounts. I mean, bit of himself, bit of a ham.

[Mike Ryan]

Reminds me a lot of Stu got. That's not a compliment. The sales Stuart got from another time. Is Greg Cody in position back there? Before we get to Greg Cody's victory lap, though, I want him to work up a lather. I keep telling him it's funny because you're. You're winded.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's already doing it, and I don't know how much longer we have.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, well, no, just cows chasing.

[Dan Le Batard]

In general, you're saying?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. Before we get to the last moments of Greg Cody's life, let's play the useless sound montage and get him. Get him into position here because I need him a little bit winded, a little bit tired when we go out to his victory lap. Sponsored by peloton. Useless sound montage, please.

[Billy Gill]

All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought we were going to another bit, so we are just. All right. And here it is, the useless sound montage. There it is.

[Mike Ryan]

I love my brother, and I'd laid down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game. Once those guys cross the white lines.

[Dan Le Batard]

There'S nothing I can do for them.

[Mike Ryan]

There's nothing any coach can do for them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Once they cross the white line, it was a hard fought game.

[Billy Gill]

They made more plays over the course of 60 minutes than we did.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wear sweatpants every day.

[Chris Cody]

One play at a time, one play at a time. And that is so important. And we exemplified that, that it's one play at a time. We stick together, we fight for each.

[Mike Ryan]

Other and we found a way, you know, credit Vegas. They came out and had some fire about them, but they lost.

[Greg Cody]

Had to overcome a lot in all three phases. You know, it was a back and forth game. That's what these games are. On the road in the division. That's a really good football team. And I thought that our guys did a good job of not flinching and keeping the blinders out.

[Dan Le Batard]

I haven't done a 23 in me, but I don't know, had a good week of practice, you know, did a.

[Mike Ryan]

Lot of work and obviously it didn't show. So no excuses.

[Greg Cody]

Tony set us back and kind of put us behind the eight ball. We can't do that, you know, in this league. I thought he played his tail off. Man, he throws a really good football. You know, it's funny, I think Texas Tech was the first one to offer him when he was in eighth grade.

[Mike Ryan]

We fought all the way to the.

[Dan Le Batard]

End and that's definitely encouraging.

[Billy Gill]

You don't want to be around people that are quitting.

[Mike Ryan]

Defense, special teams, everybody.

[Chris Cody]

We had our moments of adversity and.

[Mike Ryan]

We were able to, you know, come.

[Dan Le Batard]

Through and it mattered. So it was a complete team win. Very resilient from our guys, but you just never lost that, you know, edge.

[Mike Ryan]

We never lost the faith on the sideline and always kind of, you know, figured we were going to find a way to win.

[Dan Le Batard]

And that's just what marks a good team.

[Mike Ryan]

If you can win on the road, you're normally a pretty damn good team. And we can win on the road. We just got to operate better. I have to do a better job.

[Billy Gill]

I think he continues to improve and gets better and better and it seems like every week.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I think it all starts with his approach.

[Billy Gill]

And the guy loves football and he.

[Dan Le Batard]

Will compete and he does it every day. There's humbling nights like this in football. It's all about how you respond.

[Stugotz]

I do know that this team has.

[Dan Le Batard]

The capability to be able to respond and we'll get ourselves off, off the.

[Stugotz]

Mat and we'll have a good week.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of preparation this week.

[Billy Gill]

I figured you guys would be nicer to me if my daughter was here.

[Mike Ryan]

We had to beat the pressure and you know, a year ago, we don't win that game. And so, you know, it wasn't our best, but it was good enough.

[Chris Cody]

I thought he played well, obviously took.

[Dan Le Batard]

Care of the football, but I thought he battled like crazy throughout the whole game.

[Chris Cody]

It was a whole paradigm shift.

[Mike Ryan]

Like we were playing so well offensively.

[Chris Cody]

And then bang, bang, back to back drives with turnovers, and I'm just like, oh, my gosh. Like, this is really an NFL film moment.

[Mike Ryan]

The snow starts pouring down.

[Chris Cody]

It starts getting like. I felt like my feet started getting.

[Mike Ryan]

Heavy because I'm squishing through the snow.

[Chris Cody]

And man, it was so good, and it was so great to end up getting that win.

[Mike Ryan]

Look at the smile that just sweeps across Mike Ryan's face. His dead Browns fandom, his killed by. Killed by desean Watson. Jameis Winston brings Mike back to life. Can't help but smile when Jameis Winston is talking. Greg Cody is now joining us from the Peloton sponsored Victory lap room. Greg Cody, give us an update on everything that's going and what it is that you're celebrating that you got right most recently.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I'm working out with Peloton right now. I'm somehow in the middle of all these cattle. I gotta move a little quicker. I don't know what's going on here, but Peloton helps me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, come on.

[Billy Gill]

I tell you what, I'm taking a victory lap for saying that the Houston Texans are very, very, very, very, very far from being a great team. I tell you what, nobody's been righter than me. C.J. stroud, a little bit of a sophomore slump. Team starts 5 and 1. Everybody says, you're the IT team, you're the new Detroit. Then they go 2 and 4, take a big giant crap. Look, I was right. I hate to brag. While these cattle, they're catching up with me. I got to move.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, my back to the moo.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, listen, I'm going to take you guys behind the scenes here because Chris Cody saw it. Listen, I'm gonna take you back.

[Billy Gill]

Keep moving.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, I stirred your father. Your father fell asleep like 30 minutes ago. He was staring at his numbers on his podcast. And Chris Cody comes into the room and both of us jostle him to life. Hey, this is a sponsored segment. We need your effort here. We need you to pay attention. So he was just totally self involved, like we were interrupting him, just thinking about himself. Hey, we're doing a show. We need you to go in there and give us your best stuff. And that's what he gave us that after the motivational speech by me and his son. What he gave us is two I.

[Dan Le Batard]

Gotta move it jokes and know that kind of things. That's the only upset, though. And that victory lap is presented by peloton. Find your push, find your power with peloton.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know enough about football because it's on my screen right now. Has CJ Stroud regressed?

[Dan Le Batard]

He has.

[Mike Ryan]

I just don't know enough about football to tell you, hey, all those guys sacking you all the time, that going to change the rhythms of how you do your job? The fact that everyone keeps sacking you at what appears to be like a record pace, will that affect how good you are in year two? Because it seems like it. Would anybody want to analyze that or is he just regrets you just forgot how to play football? Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think the thing that's concerning for C.J. stroud are the interceptions.

[Mike Ryan]

Do you see what they're doing for a living?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

These giant people are coming and harassing him. They are bothering him. It's hard to play the position. Not many people can do it. Well, I'm asking the question. I legitimately. Because the Texans are in and out of the red zone. I'm legitimately asking the question. I don't know. It is possible that people are studying the Texans a lot more than me, and they will tell you, yes, C.J. stroud regressed. I say, is it tied to the fact that he keeps getting sacked? Because it seems like that would make anybody regress.

[Dan Le Batard]

But when you start your career as a Rookie and your 23 touchdowns at five interceptions, and you're making the game look relatively easy. Dan, that's the bar he set for himself. And now he has nine interceptions through half the season. Last year, he had five total. So you want to say it's the offensive line people sacking him. The excuse three weeks ago was Nico Collins was hurt.

[Mike Ryan]

Nico Collins could be holding the ball too long. That could be it, too. It could be his fault.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. I think the most concerning game for me was one of his better games. It was against Detroit on Sunday night, where protection kind of held up. And some of his interceptions where essentially the DB's baiting him into throwing these interceptions, where for whatever reason, he doesn't put that much zip on any. Relies more on touch. Greg, you're breathing pretty heavily. Are you all right?

[Billy Gill]

You know, the peloton workout is working for me. I'm telling you what, you know, it really. They got me going and it needed to with those Cattle. I don't know where those came from, but I'm lucky to be alive.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's a fair question.

[Chris Cody]

It's a fair question to ask. If he's regressed now, it could be true. Like he could have regressed a little bit. And the great ones figure it out after the NFL kind of figures you out.

[Billy Gill]

I love needs to move around the pocket a little bit more, you know, that's what he needs to do.

[Mike Ryan]

Bulldoze to that joke, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nailed it. You okay?

[Mike Ryan]

Your father before the show? Chris?

[Billy Gill]

I always work out in a necktie and a button down shirt.

[Dan Le Batard]

Necktie Second.

[Billy Gill]

I think I took it off because I was getting so winded.

[Chris Cody]

You were not wearing a necktie today.

[Billy Gill]

I thought I was. I was wearing my invisible necktie.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that one.

[Chris Cody]

Can I forget?

[Billy Gill]

Bolo Zagak.

[Mike Ryan]

This is his A material. This is after me and his son stirred him to life. Stopped, you know, he was counting his clicks and we stirred him to life and said, look, Greg, we really need you right now. We need you to bring it. The team needs you. And this is what he's giving us, his invisible necktie.

[Stugotz]

I think this is what they call the runner's high. Dan.

[Billy Gill]

Billy gets it. Thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, so I want to talk about this because I don't think that he was afflicted with the runner's high in the conversation that I had with him before the show. This is something I have done in many ways. I've become my father. You will see Chris Cody become his father. And throughout my childhood, I saw my father sort of get in a wrestling posture stance with my grandfather and his brothers. And that's what I saw. Like These people were 80 years old and my father would jostle them and grab their elbows. So when I see Greg Cody, because I'm doing things that my father does. I squared off against him when I saw him this morning by way of hello. Like in a grappling, in a Greco Roman style grappling stance. And what he said to me, and I believe him. Thick from 12 beers a day for many years. He says, I'm stronger than you think I am. I'm tough to get off my feet. That if you and I were actually wrestling, he's saying that I couldn't get him off his feet.

[Dan Le Batard]

Great foundation.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, well, sturdy. Sturdy again from Miller Lite thickness. Just. He has been sustaining himself with a diet of Miller Lite for a long time and now he is just strong. He is uncommonly strong. I don't think that he has Any stamina, though. You're not. You don't. Oh, Chris Cody says you're not strong. Chris Cody disputes what that sound was. The sound of dispute.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, you're 70 years old.

[Billy Gill]

Like, strong for my age.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right. With that caveat. I don't know. I don't know the strength.

[Billy Gill]

I got a tough foundation. I've found tough. You know, I'm difficult to move.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, that's four.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was good.

[Mike Ryan]

That one was all right. But you need the first three to make that one work. Like, you gotta fall in the ditch three straight times for the fourth one to work. So close to a golden sombrero there.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're right.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I believe he's strong. I believe your father is a strong person. I'm not going to say for any age, but I would say that he is hard to get off his feet. Do you think I could get him off of his feet?

[Billy Gill]

Yes, if you lifted me and body slammed me.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think you would allow me to until I tired you out by making you do the peloton read.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not certain Dan could lift you, to be honest. I am here for you two wrestling. I don't know how we ended up here, but, I mean, there's only one.

[Stugotz]

Way to find out, I guess. There's plenty of room back there.

[Mike Ryan]

I agree. I agree. That's what I was thinking of. Like, do you think that I could get him off of his feet?

[Chris Cody]

This is not one of those.

[Stugotz]

I don't know if Christopher can.

[Chris Cody]

It's not one of those Billy Gill fires that you start, man.

[Stugotz]

What do you mean? There was context. You missed it.

[Chris Cody]

I don't think there's going to be any coming back from that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you guys think Dan could lift Greg off the ground?

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know Greg is sick, man.

[Chris Cody]

I'm satisfied with that answer. I don't need to play it out, guys.

[Billy Gill]

He's wilting away.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's like, what are you, like, 180 pounds?

[Billy Gill]

Why do you say that? He said that on my podcast the other day. And I'm like, wilting away. I weigh seven. I've gained seven pounds in the last year. I wish I were wilting more than I am, for crying out loud. No, I'm wilting away. What do you mean when you say wilting away?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think since the whole asthma thing, you've lost a good 30 pounds last three or four years.

[Billy Gill]

That's absolutely not true. I absolutely wish it were. You know, I'm flirting with two you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Were well over two, like in my 20s.

[Billy Gill]

I don't think so. No, I, again, I, this is an odd argument.

[Stugotz]

What are we arguing here exactly?

[Mike Ryan]

That he's wilting.

[Stugotz]

Well, Greg is saying he's getting fatter and Chris is saying he's losing weight. And when did it become a bad thing to be Wilt. Wilt Chamberlain.

[Billy Gill]

I'm wilton, like wilt. That's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, what are you doing? The stilt.

[Billy Gill]

Exactly. No, I, you know what, I'll take a weigh in. People should have to do weigh ins in everyday life. You know, if I don't, if I don't make weight, I'm not allowed to do the show this week. Oh, you know, okay. That kind of thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. But you still get paid. Oh, that kind of thing. Thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

Now that you've explained it that way, that elaboration. Yes. Once you give us that kind of thing. Now we all understood, why should we be doing Weight Incident invisible next.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's hear them out.

[Billy Gill]

Because it would, it would encourage me. Like I happen to be right around £200. Right. So when I get on my beautiful new digital scale, you know, I hold my breath. Is it going to. Is the number going to start with a 2? Is it going to start with a 1? You know, I thought.

[Dan Le Batard]

You thought that helped holding your breath.

[Chris Cody]

Do you trust the digital scale?

[Billy Gill]

I do.

[Chris Cody]

I kind of. I don't see you as a guy that's like, you know what, I'll check it at Publix.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

No, it weighs me down to 2/10 of a pound.

[Stugotz]

Wow.

[Billy Gill]

And so I trust it because it's, it's that specific. So when I get on the scale and it says 199.4. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You round down.

[Billy Gill]

It's big.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

All of a sudden 199. But when I get on the scale and says 201.2, it's like, you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now I'll have five Miller Lights tonight.

[Billy Gill]

No, the whole Miller Light thing is a joke. I do love Miller Lite. I'm going to tell you, I don't know who the beer sponsor is of this show, but it should be Miller Lite.

[Greg Cody]

It is.

[Dan Le Batard]

But the idea that he's trying to show that he loves it regardless, I do love it.

[Chris Cody]

I genuinely not know that. Miller Lite's been a legacy partner of ours for 15 years.

[Billy Gill]

That tells you my endorsement.

[Mike Ryan]

We stumbled into it like it's an authentic endorsement from a paid. From a journalist who is not paid for his endorsement.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike, you brought up the public scale that is something I sprint past every single time because that is the most accurate scale on the planet.

[Mike Ryan]

Tell us too much truth.

[Dan Le Batard]

My daughter's. I don't want it. I want nothing to do with that scale.

[Mike Ryan]

I think that that's the best truth teller in all of south Florida. The most honest thing we have in south Florida. It scares me. I do the same thing. I walk right past.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't even look at it.

[Mike Ryan]

I waddle right past it. No, you tell too much truth.

[Dan Le Batard]

My daughter, my 6 year olds always like, daddy, let's go do it. I'm like, no, get away from that.

[Chris Cody]

Love to ask somebody at Publix corporate, like, why they've kept those things, because you would have assumed that would have been something that had fallen, by the.

[Mike Ryan]

Way, that would be hard to move. They're giant. It's a really.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why they still have.

[Mike Ryan]

Publix is like.

[Chris Cody]

You know, they routinely switch things in aisles all the time.

[Mike Ryan]

It's got to be the heaviest thing in public. You tell me there's a heavier thing in Publix to move. Give me one thing in Publix heavier than that damn inefficient scale. That's been haunting me since my childhood. That thing's been chasing me around South Florida since the 19th, 1970s. I was a fat kid. I worked at Publix. I was a bad boy. That thing haunted me. I was more scared of it than the managers. I was 35 years old.

[Stugotz]

Greg, how do you weigh yourself? You like? And your digital scale, you take off your clothes, like underwear, socks. What are we doing?

[Billy Gill]

I'm. I'm normally in my boxer shorts. That's a problem with the public scale. I can't strip down.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, you could shed some weight.

[Billy Gill]

A bit of a scene. But you know what I do in public. I'm curious if anybody else does this. If somebody's getting on the scale, I have to see how much they weigh.

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[Chris Cody]

It's a toxic trait. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you at the court, my.

[Mike Ryan]

Peripheral, I'm like, that's why I won't get on it. It's a truth teller. It doesn't keep quiet about the truth. It tells the truth to everybody there.

[Chris Cody]

Fair amount of sizing up. And I'm like, oh, really?

[Dan Le Batard]

You're so big. It's so easy to read. I mean, I know.

[Billy Gill]

And everybody wants to know. I'm watching a woman get on the scale. I'm like, all right, she's got to be 130.

[Mike Ryan]

You do?

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow.

[Billy Gill]

I'm cur is how much she actually.

[Dan Le Batard]

Weighs over unders of your business.

[Stugotz]

Not in a judgy way though.

[Mike Ryan]

Depends.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, it does depend. Yeah, I can be a little judgy.

[Mike Ryan]

Why do you think I've avoided that thing? It's not numbers. All it spells out for me is the word shame. And everyone can see it, everyone can hear it. The truth telling green machine that can't be moved out of public. The shouting to everyone within distance. Hey, fat guy. Making me groan under his weight.

[Billy Gill]

I'm like that on any scale. When I get on the scale at the doctor's office, every time I go, you know, my standard joke is These shoes weigh 20 pounds each because I want them to realize that I'm fully clothed, I'm wearing heavy shoes, you know, take off 10, 15 pounds.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, the doctors judge a lot.

[Billy Gill]

They do, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. I don't like it.

[Billy Gill]

No, I don't either.

[Dan Le Batard]

Leave me alone.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, exactly the guy, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I'm going there to get fixed.

[Chris Cody]

Mack Brown is out at North Carolina. He just informed his team. He was apparently given the option a step down or we'll fire you. He's going with the fired route. So Mack Brown has left North Carolina or been unceremoniously canned. We'll figure it out. But a nice job has opened up.

[Mike Ryan]

A nice job has opened up. That should have gotten him fired when he gave up 52 at the half at home to James Madison. Like right there on the spot.

[Dan Le Batard]

He tried to quit though.

[Stugotz]

He quit. Yeah, like week two, he quit. He's like, ah, I'm done. And like, no, Mac, no.

[Billy Gill]

Not how it works.

[Chris Cody]

Part of the Mac Brown life cycle. Yes, I'll quit. No, actually, actually thought about it. Don't want to quit. You're going to have to fire me.

[Dan Le Batard]

This has to be the final job though, for Mack Brown, right?

[Mike Ryan]

Careful with that. Always be careful.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've just said, Danny, 73 years old.

[Mike Ryan]

Always be careful with that. Yes, always be careful with that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay.

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[Mike Ryan]

Don Levitard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, very. Imagine if someone told you you couldn't have a Corvette.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugots.

[Billy Gill]

I'm a grown ass man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's not.

[Billy Gill]

Who's not. Not filthy rich. I can't afford a Lamborghini. Well, I probably can, but that's.

[Chris Cody]

Hey.

[Stugotz]

This is the Don Levatar show with the stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugatz's book is climbing up the charts. He is counting all of his sales throughout the show. He's a little distracted. You will forgive him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why am I being careful with Mac Brown?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, I. I'm. Because. I'm just telling you that Mack Brown saying that that's his last job. I would have said that maybe a couple of jobs ago.

[Billy Gill]

What's he weigh, Mac Brown? Any idea?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good question. I'll check it out. Thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

We are being joined. It fluctuates.

[Chris Cody]

Must say 210.

[Mike Ryan]

He's got it.

[Dan Le Batard]

220.

[Chris Cody]

What's his height? What's his height? Give me his height.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is he wilting?

[Mike Ryan]

No, I mean, has been living the good life for a long time and Matt Brown's got a pretty substantive. I recognize the belly of success. I recognize he is.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's 511. Let's play the guessing game that Greg likes to play. How much do you guys think you.

[Mike Ryan]

Would absolutely shame Mac Brown at a public scale? You would. I'm telling you, Mack Brown looks skinny. Mac Oberman's got this. The late Fred Hickman I was always jealous of. This is television. They have the face that makes it look skinny, but then they got the pear shaped bodies where you're like, oh, that person's a lot heavier than I thought they were.

[Chris Cody]

Taylor tells me that he's a bit of a unit.

[Mike Ryan]

Taylor's our North Carolina correspondent. However, I was told at the last Flanagan's outing that this show needs less Taylor. So I could, by the way, retroactively.

[Chris Cody]

This is Taylor Scoop. He texted me in the middle of it. He's like, I'm hearing. Hearing things.

[Stugotz]

You told me I couldn't say.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how he talks. I'm hearing things.

[Mike Ryan]

Mac Brown. I've seen a substantive belly. I don't mean to fat shame him. I'm just saying I don't think he's a skinny. I think of him as not as a skinny person and it's because his face is skinny. Steve Healy's with us now. And Steve Healy Stugott is going to help us get your book on the New York Times best seller list. Unfortunately, the Times declined to make anyone available to explain how any of it works. We did pepper them, but Steve Healey.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't like the mystery around this whole thing. I mean, I'm just putting myself on it. Well, we look we not how it works.

[Mike Ryan]

We reached out to James Patterson, John Grisham and Stephen King and they either declined comment or they said no dice. And so Steve Healey is what we've settled in on. Steve Healy, he's going to help us. He's going to. He's an Emmy winning writer for Veep, the Office and Letterman. He's appeared in an episode of 30 Rock. So he knows what funny things are. He's the co creator of a new animated show called Common side Effects. It's coming to Adult Swim and Max early next year. And. And he's the author of the award winning book, How I Became a Famous Novelist. So Steve, thank you for joining us. How would you help Stugatz? He doesn't need very much help. He's sailing up the charts right now as we speak. But what little extra would you give him to goose this thing here?

[Greg Cody]

Okay, first of all, congrats to you, Stugatz. I'm glad to be here. I thought I was coming on as a Mac Brown weight expert, but I guess we can pivot to book.

[Mike Ryan]

No, that's okay. Do you agree with me that he hides a bit of a gin belly?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, he's one of those guys who like, he looks like he weighs more than he actually does.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Greg Cody]

Some of it's just sort of air.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I have. Yeah. What do you think he weighs? If he had to guess, what do you think?

[Greg Cody]

Two to 12 around there.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good guess.

[Billy Gill]

I was going to say 215.

[Greg Cody]

I know. Oddly precise. I don't know why.

[Mike Ryan]

But how do we get on this bestseller list? And what is the New York Times bestseller list? How does it work?

[Greg Cody]

Okay, well, that's a great question. Because they're deliberately strange about it. Nobody really knows. They don't really reveal their methods. They a long explanation on their website where they Say, like, you know, they, they poll well established. They say well established vendors as well as emerging ones. We know that they don't count books that are sold at conventions. So Stu Gotz, if you're going to like the Stu Gotz convention or whatever and selling books across the table convention, not going to work.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good. I'll cancel all conventions moving forward.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, yeah, no, you got to. The problem for you is you got to sell them in actual bookstores. I think that's the only way the times counts. And I think they kind of under weight like Costco and places like that, that move a lot of books. But wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Mike Ryan]

This doesn't account for the modern age. Stugatz isn't going to sell a bunch of books because people are walking into bookstores. He's selling them because people do it the new fashioned way.

[Greg Cody]

They order online, they're holding. I mean, they do measure online sales, but they sort of favor, I think, actual bookstores. Now, I don't know a lot about. They hide their methods and won't reveal it. So I can't tell you that much insight. You can look at their website and find a bunch of mysterious, opaque langu, which you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

But I have put together for what I think are your top five ways to sell.

[Chris Cody]

Before you do that, Steve, we have an image up on the, on the screen right now. What are you thinking? 2:40?

[Greg Cody]

I'm upping my estimate.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

3:15.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Whoa.

[Mike Ryan]

Come on.

[Chris Cody]

315.

[Dan Le Batard]

273.

[Chris Cody]

You're just saying numbers.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think it's 245. He's 511.

[Mike Ryan]

He. Look, I'm not. I don't.

[Chris Cody]

No one's 5:11.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't. That's true. Put it on the Polet Lebatard Show. Is anyone 5:11?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm actually 5:11.

[Mike Ryan]

No one's 5:11.

[Billy Gill]

Not at 73.

[Dan Le Batard]

Say you're 6 foot. Feet.

[Mike Ryan]

Everyone says they're 6ft.

[Chris Cody]

You're 5:10.

[Mike Ryan]

You've got a top five list for us. Foolproof ways to game the New York Times best seller list. Are we doing the five? Are we doing outside looking in or just the five?

[Greg Cody]

Let's start with the five. We can do some outside looking in if I can come up with them after.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, well, no, that's not the way outside looking in.

[Dan Le Batard]

Supposed to do those first, but that's fine. Let's just get to the five.

[Greg Cody]

No, number five, your show. Hey, number five. I would say sell copies in bulk. You need to be selling copies to, like, the Stu got reading Club, the Stugotts fan group. A lot of concerns, conservative authors. They're selling like thousands at a time to big groups of people, and that moves the needle. I think the Times best seller was kind of like tries to devalue that. But that's just a way to move a lot of units. And if you're not selling in bulk, I don't think you have much of a chance.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love move moving units, but you're saying sell in bulk. So if I buy like a thousand for myself, does that count or is it one per email address?

[Greg Cody]

That's a great question. People have gotten busted doing that trying to game. The New York Times wouldn't recommend it. They're. They're not so dumb that they're going to fall for that one.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right. Dan could do it, though, right?

[Greg Cody]

Again, like they're going to be watching that. It's going to be suspicious. It's going to set off the algo. I would say you got to move them one at a time. But look, if you have a mass mailing list, you can reach out to a bunch of people, buy them all at once. Nothing wrong with that. But you yourself, they're all going to the same address. They're going to be on to that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, good.

[Mike Ryan]

We've lost Mike Ryan. He's immersed in breaking news, and we've lost him.

[Chris Cody]

So I found out that Mack Brown told reporters before the season that he lost 35 pounds during the off season. I don't know if the image that we put up there was from last season or this season. So I'll still work my sources texting Charlie.

[Mike Ryan]

A man won a championship in the greatest college football game ever played. This is how we're remembering the end of his career.

[Greg Cody]

Number four, you guys owe him an apology. Okay. Number four, be about Donald Trump. The last, like, since 2016, a ton of books on the bestseller list have been about Donald Trump. Insider accounts of Donald Trump's how we ended up with Trump. Books about sort of like the rise of fascism that scare everybody. So haven't read your book Stugots, but I'm hoping that there's a lot about contemporary politics. Some insider stuff from Mar? A Lago. Right now, Melania is on the bestseller list. How are we plugging into that demo?

[Chris Cody]

Here's a quote from before the season. I'm feeling the best I have in 20 years.

[Mike Ryan]

Number three.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, B, for old people. Like, young people are on TikTok. They're not reading books. If this is for kids, I Mean, there is a kids bestseller list. You could go that way. Stugott's for the. For the kids illustrated edition. But other than that, you need to be hitting like a 55 year old woman who reads a lot of books in a year. And unfortunately for you, I don't think you're exactly positioned for that.

[Chris Cody]

Don't hit a 55 year old woman, Stuart. Apparently the photo that we threw up there though was from the James Madison game this season.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that changes everything. Everything.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow. So this stress eating during the second most embarrassing thing that game number two.

[Greg Cody]

I would. Okay, you explain why everything's fucked. There's a lot of books on the bestseller list that are about why we're in the predicament we have. We are like what's going wrong with society? Don't know if that. If you cover that Stugonce. I don't think this is.

[Mike Ryan]

He does not. This is not. This is not shaping up great. He's. He'll do well with 55 year old men. You made a 55 year old women. But it can be 55 year old men, right?

[Greg Cody]

Sadly, women read a lot more than men. I don't know if that'll sound like a shock to you guys, but women are cranking through books and men read like one book a year. So you're on an uphill battle if your target audience is men.

[Mike Ryan]

Put it on the poll at lerd show. Do women read a lot more than men? Yes or no? Number one.

[Greg Cody]

Well, you got to have a murder in there. Is there a murder in the book? Is it a true crime on the book? Nonfiction. Every book on the fiction list has a murder in it. Basically, you're. You're in trouble if you don't have a murderer.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow. Okay. He's murdering nothing except for ethics and all of publishing.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did murder Kevin Durant's career. I mean, so does that count?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, it should.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Not. It doesn't sound like it. His book is called Common side effects. That's $5. It is. I'm sorry, that's not his book. That is the new show he's got coming out. Common side Effects. It's Adult Swim and Max early next year.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's $5.

[Mike Ryan]

I corrected myself. Stugots.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, you can see what's happened. I pivoted away from being a book writer to TV because there's no money here. Man, you're in a tough racket.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, you didn't get the Random House guarantee on the front end that Stu Gotz did. Sir, that's why. That's why we made him an author, just so that he could cash the check.

[Dan Le Batard]

Listen, you need to get to Random House, okay? That is the key, all right? That's the key to writing books. Get to Random House, you got yourself a bestseller. All right?

[Greg Cody]

They treated you right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yep. I'm telling you, they're printing money over there. They gave it to me.

[Greg Cody]

There you go.

[Billy Gill]

Printing money sounds illegal.

[Mike Ryan]

Steve, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate it.

[Greg Cody]

My pleasure, guys. Good luck to you two guts. And good luck to Mack Brown on his weight loss journey.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I don't love what we did to Mac Brown there. That is an accomplished career and I did it. It's my fault. But it's just. Look, man, I just noticed I too have done the thing where I just put on sweatpants because it's all gotten out of control and I'm just putting on whatever the school gives me. Whatever the school gives me is my wardrobe because it fits nice and I can just go into work and I can hide and SW in my clothes. And the pandemic got a lot of us. And Mack Brown was skinny when he had Vince Young. And then when James Madison is scoring 52 by the half in your home stadium at the end of your career, comfort food. I get it. Understand how it is. One would stress, eat, as Steve just mentioned it. And Mack Brown not only won a championship, won a championship at a school that when you do, you should be golden forever. Yeah, you become a monster icon. Because Texas thinks, at least in part because they have Mac Brown, like, they're entitled to be atop the nil game and on top of the SEC game because they got all the boosters, they got all the money. Like you think Texas A and M has money. Nobody's got money like that school. And they expect to be at the top of sports. And Mack Brown at the end got running out because his great seasons weren't great enough. And he ends his career in North Carolina with us making fun of him because we're talking about the way public scale's grown.

[Chris Cody]

I think it's a terrific job, though, that just opened up.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's always a Carolina job.

[Chris Cody]

It's always going to be a weird one because it's never going to be the most important sport to that school. However, people have no idea what a revenue generator that school is, what great resources they have. Everybody inside the ACC is envious of their situation because to other conferences, they're probably the most appealing program to bring over. So I think some really good Coaches should be poking around that job, Mike.

[Dan Le Batard]

In terms of generating revenue. You mean the other sports at Carolina? I agree. Like there are several popular sports at Carolina that aren't popular in other schools. Plus they have major boosters.

[Chris Cody]

Carolina is a massive, massive program. But they've never really gone all in on football. And if they ever do, that's a possible sleeping giant.

[Mike Ryan]

Guys, can you please get me the sound from the Manning cast of Vrabel talking about Urban Meyer not knowing who he was and whatever sound is available to us on Owen Wilson and the stories being told every bit everywhere about what Urban Meyer doesn't know. The Vrabel thing stunned me. I thought that that was a joke. Like it's one thing I've heard of it. Like Pukinakua said the other day, day that he didn't know that the Rams were in the NFC West. I believe that that's something that happens, you know, pretty frequently among athletes who don't care about. Didn't grow up caring about the division. But I was shocked to learn that Urban Meyer doesn't remember famous people that he's worked with.

[Stugotz]

Well, so the Manning cast is this like a side cast for those who don't know, during Monday Night Football where Peyton Manning, former quarterback and Eli Manning for quarterback also related. Not just a coincidence. They come on and they kind of do like a watch along of Monday Night Football. And during the Manning cast they have famous guests come on and usually Bill Belichick and then they'll have like a celebrity of sorts and then they'll have someone else come on. So they had Luke Wilson come on because Luke Wilson can't do anything without Owen Wilson. Owen Wilson came on and he, he joined him and they did, I guess like a brother thing and they did a movie together and that's all they ever do together. So they came on the Manning cast together because they need to hold. Hold hands to do things together.

[Mike Ryan]

Why are you taking the Wilsons out?

[Stugotz]

I'm not. I'm just explaining to people who don't know what the Manning cast is. Luke Wilson is a. Is an actor. No one Wilson isn't.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

Is an actor.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's.

[Stugotz]

Arguably more famous than Luke.

[Dan Le Batard]

You never see one without the other.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you.

[Chris Cody]

We asked you to set this up to avoid.

[Stugotz]

Well, I'm trying. Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

So then anyway, about what the Manning cast is.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Cinephobe. Let's play the sound of Luke Wilson and Owen Wilson. Owen Wilson talking about Urban Meyer doesn't know anybody video you with Coach Meyer.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who are you yeah. How do I know you?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I'm on your team.

[Dan Le Batard]

So Owen Wilson, coach knows who you are now.

[Mike Ryan]

I still don't think that's.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a little like when.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a little like when Larry Bird.

[Dan Le Batard]

Went to Indiana and was dealing with Bobby Knight. They just didn't see eye to right from the get go.

[Stugotz]

So Owen Wilson was in a celebrity, you know, flag football game, and his coach was Urban Meyer. And then Urban Meyer, as you could hear, went up to him and he said, hey, how do I know you? And then Owen Wilson said, I'm on your team.

[Mike Ryan]

Put that up again, please. Mike Ryan, as our chief investigator in matters of people giving you phony, phony baloney colors in their hairs, Mike Ryan.

[Chris Cody]

Has found you can throw up that quad box again. From the Manning cast, I think we have an unprecedented four dye jobs all on one screen. Yep. I'm ready to call it from the bottom on down. That is all hair dye, Owen, you see? Oh, yeah, definitely Owen.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm with you on all the other three. I don't see it in Owen, but this is your thing.

[Chris Cody]

Owen's hair is darker. That's not how that works at this age.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. This is stunning accusation to make off of this video. He's saying Eli Peyton and both Wilson brothers are all dyeing their hair.

[Billy Gill]

Wow. Eli's a little young to dye his hair, isn't he?

[Dan Le Batard]

Nah, Eli, he's the most obvious of the group play.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's play the Sound of Rabel, though. This one caught me off guard, even by the Urban. Urban Meyers, a bit of an airhead standard. This one caught me off guard.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, I feel I. I can feel I can relate with Owen Wilson, I was listening earlier and, you know, Urban Meyer asked him, do I know you? And. And Urban Ameyer was coaching the Titans. He was coaching the Jaguars, and he actually said the same thing to me. I said, yeah, I'm the head coach for the Titans and I worked for.

[Mike Ryan]

You for two years.

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[Chris Cody]

Are you kidding me?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's insane.

[Billy Gill]

That's crazy, Ben.

[Chris Cody]

That's unbelievable.

[Billy Gill]

Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Not very well like this guy, huh?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, label wouldn't even tell that story if it hadn't been told first by Owen Wilson.

[Chris Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

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