Hour 1: Ryan's Back (feat. Ros Gold-Onwude)

Summary

Detailed Summary of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" – Hour 1: Ryan's Back (feat. Ros Gold-Onwude)

Release Date: July 1, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Featured Guest: Ros Gold-Onwude

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1. Recent Basketball Transactions

The episode kicks off with a discussion on the latest basketball transactions, highlighting the excitement surrounding recent draft picks and potential coaching changes within the NBA.

Mike Ryan shares his enthusiasm for the NBA draft, particularly praising Cooper Frazier from South Sudan. He remarks, “The NBA has been heavily investing in Africa, and there's going to be a lot more than just Joel Embiid or Pascal Siakam.” Ryan emphasizes the globalization of basketball and the emergence of international talents.

2. Dawn Staley as Potential Knicks Coach

The conversation shifts to the New York Knicks' recent coaching changes, with speculation about Dawn Staley potentially taking over as head coach. This prospect stirs debate among the hosts.

Stugotz muses, “She would be immediately the most high-profile candidate they could possibly get to replace Tom Thibodeau. It would be the splashiest hire that you could possibly make.”
Mike Ryan adds, “Dawn's highly respected, she's a winner... She's done it on the Olympic level, collegiate level, and as a pro player.”

The hosts express frustration over the Knicks' lack of a clear plan post-Thibodeau, with Stugotz humorously suggesting, “LeBron player, coach with the Knicks,” leading to a lighthearted banter about the legality of such a move.

3. Fan's Freedom to Express Dislike: Angel Reese vs Terry Rozier

A heated segment unfolds as the hosts delve into the contentious topic of fandom and the freedom to express dislike towards athletes, specifically comparing Angel Reese from the WNBA to Terry Rozier in the NBA.

Dan Le Batard initiates the debate by stating, “I want to hate people because I wear another uniform.” This sparks a discussion on whether male and female athletes are equally subjected to fan scrutiny and negativity.

Mike Ryan counters, “The freedom for fandom is really important as the WNBA grows... There's players that talk a lot of trash, players that flop,” arguing that criticisms should be based on performance rather than gender.

The debate intensifies when Dan expresses his desire for equality in fandom, saying, “I would like the liberty to hate her irrationally. And it'd be okay with everybody.”
Stugotz challenges this notion, stating, “Angel Reese is being an avatar for whatever it is that people want to put on her. She’s physically a bully... those don’t tend to be liked very much across sports.”

The discussion highlights the double standards in how male and female athletes are treated by fans and the media, emphasizing the need for a more equitable approach to sports fandom.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Le Batard [05:13]: “I want to hate people because I wear another uniform.”
• Mike Ryan [06:31]: “The freedom for fandom is really important as the WNBA grows.”
• Stugotz [07:00]: “Angel Reese is being an avatar for whatever it is that people want to put on her.”

4. All-Time Handles in Basketball

Transitioning from the previous debate, the show shifts focus to an engaging segment on the greatest dribblers or "handles" in basketball history. The hosts evaluate and rank players based on their dribbling prowess.

Stugotz introduces the segment with enthusiasm, “All time handles. Do you know what we're talking about? Somebody who can dribble, maestro at dribbling.”
Greg Cody and Dan Le Batard join in to name players like Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving, with Stugotz asserting, “Kyrie Irving is the best dribbler I have ever seen. Has the best ball control I have ever seen.”

The discussion extends to other notable players such as Steph Curry, Jamal Crawford, Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, and Jason Williams. The hosts debate the placement of players like Steve Nash and Kevin Durant, with Stugotz expressing disbelief over Durant's inclusion due to his size, stating, “How ridiculous it is that Kevin Durant at his size is in these four tiers when all of these people are small.”

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz [22:24]: “Kyrie Irving is the best dribbler I have ever seen.”
• Dan Le Batard [23:35]: “This is bullshit.”
• Stugotz [25:08]: “Everyone here is at least under 6’4”.”

5. NASCAR Racing Discussion

In addition to basketball, the hosts briefly touch upon the world of NASCAR racing, recounting memorable moments and upcoming events.

Dan Le Batard recounts the excitement of recent NASCAR races, particularly applauding Chase Elliott for securing his first win in 44 races. He shares his anticipation for the upcoming Chicago street race, highlighting its unique setting at Graham Park and the involvement of DraftKings and Cuervo in hosting an ultimate street race party.

Stugotz adds personal anecdotes about driving challenges, humorously relating to experiences of fishtailing and driving in adverse conditions, which ties back to the unpredictability and excitement of NASCAR events.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Le Batard [35:29]: “Chase Elliott wins his first race in 44 races. That is NASCAR's most popular driver in his hometown track.”
• Stugotz [36:35]: “Have you guys been scared like that? That's happened to me a couple of times in a fishtailing car.”

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Conclusion

The episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" is a rollercoaster of discussions ranging from basketball transactions and coaching speculation to the nuanced debates on sports fandom and gender equality. The hosts bring forth passionate opinions, engaging in spirited debates that challenge conventional views while maintaining their signature humor and camaraderie. The integration of diverse topics ensures that listeners are both informed and entertained, making it a compelling listen for sports enthusiasts and casual fans alike.

Note: Advertisements and non-content segments were omitted to focus solely on the podcast's substantive discussions.

Transcript

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugatz]

In the frenzy and emotion of the last bit of content that we were making, was it Tony or Billy who accused Coogler of creating a game that Ross didn't understand? The last time it was me, it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Was gold or good, and nobody knew.

[Greg Cody]

What the hell it meant.

[Stugatz]

But I think she knew how to play it. I think it was the rest of us that were confused and it was a poor explanation. Coogler's got a new game for Ross that is going to be more difficult than that one. But Ross, I don't remember. You tell me. And thank you for joining us. You got the game last time. It was the rest of us that were. Weren't very good at it. Correct.

[Mike Ryan]

We went with the flow. We just took it as it came, you know, good as gold.

[Stugatz]

Yes. Okay, that means she doesn't know. I wanted to talk to you about the basketball transactions of the moment. Can you tell me which one you found most interesting? All of the players are signing with the same teams. It seems like minor transactions. I thought the LeBron. The statement afterward was weird. But what did you find most interesting about the last couple of days?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I thought the draft was exciting. First of all, shout out to come on Malloc out of South Sudan. Love that. That for African basketball players. I actually got to know him When I was in the car in Senegal with the NBA Africa and B L, the basketball league they create out there. And, like, this is part of the globalization of the game. The NBA has been heavily investing in Africa, and there's going to be a lot more than just like, one Joel Embiid or one Pascal Siakam. So that was exciting. I'm interested in the Mike Brown rumors as a head coach for the Knicks, perhaps. I got to know him really well in my time with the warriors, and he's obviously a very accomplished coach. I heard Dawn Staley got an interview. I don't know if that's true or not.

[Stugatz]

Well, can we talk about that for a second? What. How would that go? Like, how. What are your thoughts there? She would be immediately the most high profile candidate they could possibly get to replace Tom Thibodeau. It would be the splashiest hire that you could possibly make.

[Mike Ryan]

It would win the headline or be a headline. I don't know. It depends on who's reading the headline. You know, Dawn's highly respected kid. She's a winner. She's done it on the Olympic level, on the collegiate level. She's won as a. As a pro player, but she is, you know, I think. I think the Knicks made a splashy move in moving Tom Thibodeau and moving Tibbs and, like, not really having a great plan on, like, what the next move would be.

[Stugatz]

Yeah, it's frustrating. I've been a fan of that team my entire life. I have a better headline, though. LeBron player, coach with the Knicks.

[Greg Cody]

How about that?

[Dan LeBatard]

It's illegal. Yeah.

[Stugatz]

Not for LeBron.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

And we'll bring Ronnie over as well. We'll make it a whole thing.

[Stugatz]

Ronnie can coach. Yes. Other than the part about it being illegal, though, Mike, I think it's a great idea for splashing.

[Greg Cody]

Well, hold on a second. What?

[Stugatz]

Two rings.

[Greg Cody]

Wait, wait, wait, whoa. What if the Knicks hire Bronnie to be their head coach, not intending to play him, knowing that then LeBron is actually the coach.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's what Ross was getting to.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

This is all.

[Stugatz]

It's check.

[Mike Ryan]

It's chess, not checkers.

[Stugatz]

Guys, I'd like to bounce around the league a little bit with you, Jaren Jackson Jr. For $240 million. Thoughts there?

[Mike Ryan]

You know what? That's the money and the going price for these players. Jaren Jackson, in some ways, hasn't been everything that we thought he was going to be, especially early in his career. But I also think the momentum in the past couple of years when we look at Memphis has been so staccato and up and down with disruptions from John Morant to moving coaches to just, like, it's hard to see what a player actually has. So I think. And now with Desmond Bane gone, like, it's. I feel like it's hard to get the best out of someone when there's so much tumultuous energy within an organization.

[Stugatz]

Can I get a ruling from you as an ambassador of sorts? Is Mike Ryan allowed to not like Angel Reese?

[Mike Ryan]

You are entitled to your opinion, full stop. But, like, what's your reason?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, this was positioned the wrong way. I personally have no problem with Angel Reese, but I'd like to dislike her if I actually had a problem with it. And it seems as though on social media and the fan base around wnba, there is a very protective ecosystem around WNBA players. And I would make the argument that equality means hating Angel Reese just as much as I irrationally hate Terry Rozier. And people need to be okay with that.

[Greg Cody]

Scary Terry, you know?

[Mike Ryan]

You know, I actually think, like, the freedom for fandom is really important as the WNBA grows. And, like, it's okay. I think one of the things that's helped the WNBA grow is movement away from. All the girls are the best in the world and the most positive and this and that. You've got different reasons. You like different players. These are complex people. You know, like, there's players that talk a lot of trash. There's players that flop. There's players that, you know are fashion pieces. And I like that that it's evoking an emotion out of you. Here's where I push back. Here's where I push back. When you're trying to make analysis on the quality of how good a player that she is based on those emotions and not actual facts.

[Dan LeBatard]

Right? But I want to irrationally hate people the way that I irrationally hate Terry Rozier, which is like a bad example, because as we all know, Terry Rozier is garbage. But if there were other players. Excuse me. Excuse me.

[Stugatz]

Let's head to arbitration.

[Dan LeBatard]

You prove that he's not garbage. You prove that he's not garbage. I like my hand either way. I hate Paul Pierce, hall of Fame player champion. Hate him, think he sucks, just a bad guy. I want to be entitled to irrationally hate players. And it seems as though in the wnba, I'm not afforded that ability.

[Mike Ryan]

I think more than anyone, though, Angel Reese gets hated on based off of irrational logic, alternative facts, emotions.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't. I don't like her type vibes yeah, that's good.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's good shit right there. More of that.

[Mike Ryan]

That's more. She gets that more than any player in the W. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. Equality. We did it.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not. I'm not sure that it comes from a healthy place, though. Like, what is it that you're just like.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's what a rational is. And honestly, no one else is, like, saying, what about Terry Rozier's feelings on the men's side?

[Stugatz]

This is what sports fandom.

[Dan LeBatard]

I want to hate people because I wear another uniform.

[Mike Ryan]

Are you willing to say she's a talented player?

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, again, not the perfect case study, because I don't really care one way or another when it comes to Angel Reese. But I would like that Liberty. Not the New York Liberty. I would just like the liberty to hate her irrationally. And it'd be okay with everybody.

[Stugatz]

Well, this is the part I'm not okay with. It's not just that she became the fastest player in league history to reach 150 rebounds. 50 assists in a single season. Fastest players score 500 points. 500 rebounds. It's using the words hate. And garbage is where I'm stopping you. That's it. Just to stop a note shy of a hate. Garbage.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, well, same energy for Terry Rosier. Would you like to defend him with. With the same kind of fervor?

[Stugatz]

I don't think.

[Mike Ryan]

Are you okay with.

[Dan LeBatard]

You don't. He was just investigated for fixing games and he was proved to be innocent, which means he's just that bad. He's making $26 million. Come on.

[Greg Cody]

That is weird. Right? Where you're at. No, I'm just not good at basketball.

[Dan LeBatard]

Come on.

[Greg Cody]

Like. And the judges confirmed he's bad at basketball.

[Dan LeBatard]

What reason has he given you to not hate it?

[Stugatz]

Say you hate him. No, I don't.

[Mike Ryan]

These guys are nuts. I couldn't imagine passing up millions of dol dollars on contracts to fix games and blow. Blow a beautiful financial future for myself. Where is the common sense in the NBA with some of these players getting mixed up in this stuff? Allegedly. Nothing has been proven yet.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's have a nice little betting scandal in the W2.

[Stugatz]

Rozier has. It's actually been proven that Rozier was not fixing games. So there is. It's been disproven that. But it's been proven that he's garbage.

[Dan LeBatard]

Garbage player, then. That was him.

[Greg Cody]

Judge read that part.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think that was just him balling Mike versus Terry Rozier in the Octag. Let's do it.

[Greg Cody]

Found Innocent of rigging games and guilty of garbage.

[Stugatz]

I know Ross is going to be on my side with this. I'm just saying that somebody who gets to the top of a professional sport, top 1% of the 1% while fighting people for money in the world at basketball, that person shouldn't be referred to as garbage at all.

[Dan LeBatard]

But what if he's compared to all the other players in the league? I understand I'm garbage at basketball compared to Terry Rozier. Right, But Terry Rozier compared to your average NBA player.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll step up though, like just to say, like what Angel Reese is doing in the wnba, specifically in rebounds and also in the way she's been playing in the last like five, five or six games now. She's not comparable to Terry Rozier. We're talking about a player who will rewrite history books, who is on a path to be one of the most historic and legendary players of her position. I mean, and like she had a rough start this season. To compare her to Terry Rogier is misleading. And if you are going to have a rational and not fair analysis, I think you as an analyst can be judged upon that too. Are you okay with that? Being judged upon that irrational and not true or fair analysis?

[Dan LeBatard]

Totally. Yeah. I've done it for 20 years. Well then cool. Super cool with that also. Again, I got no problem with Angel Reese, but now I think I do. So Angel Reese, we got beef now because I knew Dan was going to be.

[Mike Ryan]

She is not comparable to Kevin Roger. She is not comparable. Talking about one of the historic potential second year players who has the potential to be like a legendary player in the entire game of women's basketball.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thank you, Dan. Thank you. Thank you for this. Now I'm an anti Angel Reese guy when all I said is I wanted the freedom to hate on Angel Reese, which now you go, you have the freedom to hate.

[Mike Ryan]

The freedom of hate.

[Stugatz]

Just say she's a talented player. That's all she's saying.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't want to anymore because now you've pushed me into irrational hating her. You back me into a corner, the claws come out. That's what happens.

[Stugatz]

But if you compliment her on the front end saying she's one of the greats of all time, she's going to be one of the greats of all time. I just don't like her.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, if you were onboarded properly, I wouldn't have to do that. But now you back me into a corner.

[Stugatz]

One of the things. Hold on a second here.

[Greg Cody]

Sounds like Dan did this to you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan did Minor penalty.

[Greg Cody]

Jeez. Trying to help.

[Dan LeBatard]

Now who's being, like, irrational?

[Stugatz]

We're going to play this game with rods in a second, but.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, exciting.

[Stugatz]

The thing that. The thing that's problematic here is that Angel Reese is being an avatar for whatever it is that people want to put on her. But what she is, though, is a bully. She's physically a bully, and not a whole lot of people can do anything about it. And so those don't tend to be liked very much across sports. Even Shaquille o' Neal be liked Oakley being bigger and strong. Yeah, but we liked Oakley. I'm. Is there such a thing as somebody that is. In the history of this sport, has there any been anybody who's played this physically to put up these numbers because she's being physically bullying?

[Mike Ryan]

Angel's tenacity on the class has never been seen and, like, she is just magnetic to the rebounds. But I also think too, like, she's. When she's caught in motion with the ball in her hand, she's done a nice job of assisting, finding her teammates lately. She's been a playmaking post lately. It's shown some growth. She's extended her range. She's taking more threes now. I mean, these are things you notice you'd have to watch. And I think with angel, so many people have very strong opinions and haven't maybe watched. I'm curious if Ryan, did he watch Angel Reese play this season? I'd love to know.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ryan has.

[Stugatz]

Mike. She's got to get out of here. Watch, listen and subscribe to good follow. She's doing a spectacular job on it. She's on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. The game is gold, silver, bronze or did not podium or did not pro podium. So it is. It is wordy but right off the tongue. Right? Gold, silver, bronze.

[Greg Cody]

Hold on. Do you know how the game works, Roz? This is how it works. It's essentially blind ranking. So you're going to get a name and then you have to say, is this person gold, silver, bronze or not podium? But you're not going to know who's coming next.

[Dan LeBatard]

And there are four.

[Stugatz]

There are four in each category and you're only going to pick three. Are you ready? So, like, I'm going to give you four in each category.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, no, no. You read one at a time and then she says where that person goes, Gold, silver, bronze or not podium. Complicated game.

[Stugatz]

Start with that top name and let her rank that there's only going to be four gold, silver, Bronze.

[Dan LeBatard]

Music.

[Stugatz]

Not podium. Okay, Give me the music.

[Greg Cody]

Well, no, you have to say it first and then the music. Yeah.

[Stugatz]

Silver brakes or did not podium.

[Greg Cody]

You don't worry about the music, Ross. I got that.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, so. So the four. So there's only four categories that each one can be won?

[Greg Cody]

No, there's four slots. Yeah, yeah.

[Stugatz]

You don't know what's coming. You just have to say gold, silver, or bronze. And I'm telling you in advance, I'm gonna give you four choices, and you're gonna only be able to get three. Three who? Medal.

[Greg Cody]

Well, one's not gonna podium.

[Mike Ryan]

There's only four answers. I only have four things I can say. I got it.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Be careful.

[Stugatz]

It's a dangerous game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really easy, though. Really.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

And at the end of that, you're gonna spar with someone unless they leave.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

And then it's a fight to the end.

[Stugatz]

Has to go play the music.

[Greg Cody]

The music is after the choice. It's thinking music.

[Stugatz]

Right.

[Greg Cody]

I'll just play it.

[Mike Ryan]

What's the prize?

[Stugatz]

No prizes.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

The prize is my laughter.

[Stugatz]

Yeah. All right. Gold.

[Mike Ryan]

Ryan's back.

[Stugatz]

Don't say gold or anything. Just give a name and let her put him on the podium. That's it. She's gotta go. Hello, Rya. Welcome back.

[Dan LeBatard]

Real shame.

[Mike Ryan]

Ryan. Ryan. Have you watched Angel Reese play a game this season? This WNBA season?

[Greg Cody]

He's going to Chicago this weekend just.

[Mike Ryan]

To tell the truth. Have you watched a WNBA game of Angel Reese this season?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, no. We're off the podium. Yeah, yeah, I will. I will. I will happily admit that I don't watch the the W. I do watch women's college basketball. I don't have the fan width to watch the the W. Don't really like it. And in America, it's a safe space. I can finally say that.

[Mike Ryan]

How can you have such a strong opinion?

[Stugatz]

You never watch. Oh, that's not fair, Roz. That's what sports radio is all about.

[Dan LeBatard]

Rational.

[Greg Cody]

He wants the ability to hate her for no reason. Like he hates men for no reason.

[Dan LeBatard]

Exactly.

[Greg Cody]

Freedom to hate.

[Mike Ryan]

This is crazy.

[Stugatz]

It is. You are.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, let's play the game. Yeah, let's play the game.

[Greg Cody]

Roz has to go.

[Mike Ryan]

But she said Ryan did not podium. That's my first answer. Ryan did not podium.

[Stugatz]

Nafisa Collier. Gold, silver or bronze?

[Greg Cody]

We're not podium.

[Stugatz]

Goal. Caitlin Clark. Ah, bronze. Ooh. Asia Wilson.

[Mike Ryan]

Silver.

[Stugatz]

Angel Reese.

[Mike Ryan]

I guess she didn't podium.

[Stugatz]

So you don't like her either.

[Greg Cody]

You see? What is that?

[Dan LeBatard]

Apologize to riot.

[Stugatz]

Apologize to Riot.

[Mike Ryan]

This was a setup for the st.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was.

[Stugatz]

It was a total setup.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was a setup. You and I are lying. You and me both set up.

[Stugatz]

We framed her.

[Mike Ryan]

Now can Ryan and I get get in a boxing match again and fight to the village?

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not equality.

[Stugatz]

Roz.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thank you there.

[Stugatz]

Good seeing you. Good. Follow, follow, listen and subscribe. Thank you. We appreciate your time.

[Mike Ryan]

Long live Angel Reese.

[Stugatz]

That is correct. You just kept her off the podium.

[Dan LeBatard]

I am truly a courageous voice in media. Nobody out there doing what I'm doing. Glad we got to that game. There is no one else saying wnba. Nah, I'm good. Stayed up all night for that game. I've seen so many people consult chatgpt on wtigs. One thing I don't see ya.

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It'S making me happy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dude, the sun is out. It's nice. You have your friends showing up. You got your family there. You just had your first sip of Miller Light. And you know what? You're happy. Happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Lite four years, and for good reason. It's brewed for taste only. 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That is five decades of cookouts, laughs, and ice cold moments that never miss. It's the original light beer and it's still my go to Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Don LeBatard.

[Greg Cody]

What do I got here? I got a Magnum condom. We won't get that out.

[Stugatz]

That's shocking. Stugats.

[Greg Cody]

Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old.

[Stugatz]

Right next to the condo.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugatz]

Forever.

[Greg Cody]

Never forget. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugatz]

The all time handles tier. I want to get to it because we promised it earlier. And I can't believe that we have a list that is in the Stugot's wheelhouse that has taken us two hours, two segments, just two and a half hours to get to. Let's get to these tiers on all time handles. When I say Greg Cody. This is a good one for you, Greg. You doing okay?

[Greg Cody]

Sure.

[Stugatz]

All time handles. Do you know what we're talking about?

[Greg Cody]

Well, handle has several definitions, right, but.

[Stugatz]

Do you know which one we're talking about?

[Greg Cody]

Cabinetry, Nicknames, I assume you mean.

[Stugatz]

No, a good guess. But we're talking about basketball handles. Somebody who can. Who is a maestro at dribbling, ability to dribble. Who do you think of?

[Greg Cody]

Everybody in the NBA. I mean, who's not. Who's not a good dribbler?

[Stugatz]

Manute Bowl.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just make sure to say Kaylin Clarkson.

[Greg Cody]

Jalen Brown.

[Dan LeBatard]

Left handed.

[Greg Cody]

Why doesn't Greg come up with his top five nicknames while Stugats does his top five handles?

[Stugatz]

That's fine, Greg. You do top five handles the way that you were going to do it. And then we're going to go to the all time handles tiers list here from Fast Break Hoops, you've got Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving on the top tier. That one sort of goes without saying, right? Kyrie Irving. I would say that universally people would put Kyrie Irving above Allen Iverson.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's number one as far as handles. League wide.

[Stugatz]

You're giving Allen Iverson more credit than I'm giving him by putting him on the same class as Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is the best dribbler I have ever seen. Has the best ball control I have ever seen. But Steph Curry is pretty good with a basketball too, in terms of just handle. I mean, I'm with Mike. The disrespect to Pistol Pete.

[Greg Cody]

Where is he?

[Stugatz]

This is bullshit.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tier 3 is. This is bullshit. See Tier 3. There is one person there that did it with their hand over the ball. Okay. I know. Because when I went to Westwood Christian, I was instructed by Pistol Pete himself via vhs.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. And he told me how to play the game the right way. Everybody else carries.

[Stugatz]

Let me get to the rest of this, though. Jamal Crawford. There's the second tier. Okay. And it's Isiah Thomas, Steph Curry, and Jamal Crawford. Tony, you don't like that, Zeke.

[Dan LeBatard]

I feel like we could push Zeke.

[Stugatz]

Down a little bit. Little bit out of there, I think. I don't think a whole lot of people would object if I put Jason Williams where Zeke is, even though Zeke was a better basketball player by leaps and bounds. I don't think like Jason. The third tier here of Chris Paul.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is a mean tier right here. I mean, James Harden carries like a son of a gun.

[Stugatz]

The third. Congratulations on being able to dribble.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. James Harden. Get him out of there. Remove him entirely. But the rest of that is good.

[Stugatz]

The third tier is Jason Williams, Tim Hardaway, Pistol Pete, James Harden and Chris Paul. It's a good tier. It is. I feel like Hardaway should be tier two, though. Maybe Jason Williams as well.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm shocked. Tier 4. I guess they're accounting for size.

[Stugatz]

Well, Steve Nash has to be in the top three tiers. How can. Team. How can.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tier 4.

[Jeremy]

He wasn't super flashy with.

[Dan LeBatard]

He just had a great handle. But when Dan puts it that way, I mean, Steve Nash and Kevin Durant occupying the same tier. Kd. Kd. I mean, you could swipe him easy. He's just too big.

[Stugatz]

You've got Marbury and Francis on that fourth tee.

[Dan LeBatard]

I like it.

[Stugatz]

Stevie. Franchise.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. And they just don't want to disrespect the Kobe stands and Jordan stands with tier 5.

[Stugatz]

I.

[Dan LeBatard]

The.

[Stugatz]

The thing that I notice on these top four tiers is because these people are of a similar size. How ridiculous it is that Kevin Durant at his size is in these four tiers when all of these people are small. All of. Like every last one of them has to. If you think of that sport as survival of the fittest, like a literal thing. Survival of the fitness.

[Mike Ryan]

Us.

[Stugatz]

The. The smaller people have to develop advantages that make up for their lack of size and handles. Everyone here is at least under 6 4.

[Dan LeBatard]

Everyone.

[Stugatz]

I'm looking at this list. Look, is there anyone. Is Jamal Crawford 6 5.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think Durant's a better Jay crossover. Do you think Durant has better handles than LeBron? I don't.

[Stugatz]

LeBron doesn't have any more. He's not on here. LeBron's not in any of the five tiers.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's just, it's ridiculous. Have to rant over LeBron in this discussion. Discussion.

[Greg Cody]

Is that Havlicek, Honda Hondo?

[Dan LeBatard]

Is it?

[Stugatz]

I can't see because it's kind of far away.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's got to be a your own tier. If you dribbled with your hand over the ball, everybody else is just Karen.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Bunch of travelers.

[Stugatz]

They're cheating.

[Dan LeBatard]

Have you, have you tried to play basketball the way that the modern day players do? It's much easier. Much easier if you have. If you're allowed to put your hand over the ball, it's way easier.

[Stugatz]

Game now.

[Dan LeBatard]

I love AI as much as any. I was a 90s kid. Love Allen Iverson. Carried a lot.

[Stugatz]

It's magic. Not on there.

[Dan LeBatard]

Imagine magic not being on there.

[Stugatz]

I don't see him on there.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was magic. We can't be given aggregate sites like this. Engagement bait sites like this. The time of day. Every time I see Big Game Boomer. Oh really? Big Game Boomer? You went to San Jose State's tailgate, did you? And it just gets circulated and gets a million likes. It's bs.

[Stugatz]

Can you please go over there and get the gear head? I need to. Yes. Greg is struggling. He's coughing, he's sneezing. He's. He's been running his nose. There have been tissues all over the floor here. Is everything okay? You seem a little bit tired. You seem a little out of sorts.

[Greg Cody]

I'm a little under the weather. Yeah, I, I pressed the cough button though, so I don't know that, but.

[Stugatz]

Are you okay? Is everything okay?

[Greg Cody]

No, I'm fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Worried about you. I'm also a little worried about the time timing of this bit. It's niche to say the least. And I've already been positioned as a sexist just very recently.

[Stugatz]

I didn't position well.

[Greg Cody]

You fought for the ability to be a sexist.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's my.

[Stugatz]

Yeah, well, I guess off of the ability.

[Greg Cody]

And you won. Congrats.

[Dan LeBatard]

See, the thing is I didn't see gender. To me, I'm the most like forward thinking gender equality guy that there is. Really.

[Stugatz]

Are you that the way that, the way that Greg is the opposite of prude. Like you're. You're the most gender equality person there is.

[Dan LeBatard]

I truly don't know what she was talking about. Like espousing the virtues of Angels Game. That's cool. I want to hate them. Let me. Let me hate Them. I said it on the. She missed the point. Yeah. I want to be able to hate somebody irrationally on social media. I want to be toxic. This is something that I'm afforded when it comes to men, but when it comes to women, it seems to be an issue.

[Stugatz]

Yes. And probably should continue to be an issue for as long as I don't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Think America's got work to do.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're perpetrating the separation, Dan, is what you're doing. Yes. You positioned me as a sexist when all I want is a call.

[Stugatz]

I said I asked Roz if you had permission to hate Angel Reese. That's what I said. I didn't position you as a.

[Dan LeBatard]

And it was denied. But I don't actually hate Angel Reese. But now I do because of that segment.

[Greg Cody]

You guys are setting this up all wrong. Mike just wants to be able to hate a woman for no reason at all.

[Dan LeBatard]

That. Thank you.

[Stugatz]

As opposed to for being a woman.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, look at that.

[Greg Cody]

I don't like whatever his reason is.

[Dan LeBatard]

What are you doing there?

[Stugatz]

There. His reasons, Dan.

[Greg Cody]

Exactly right. Five reasons.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know. Brad Marchand is a. Do I just hate French Canadians now? That's my thing.

[Greg Cody]

Jeez, I don't know. Is it? Do you want it to be?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, I would. I like the option. Option.

[Greg Cody]

Can you hate Canadians, Dan, for no reason other than being French Canadians?

[Stugatz]

I don't feel like the French are. I feel like that's the last place that everyone's allowed to hate.

[Dan LeBatard]

I thought the French let me be a free thinker. Like half this country, wake up one day, decide, I am free to hate Canada. Finally. Thank God.

[Stugatz]

Nope. I believe that we're only there with France. I don't believe that we're there for. And it's just. And with France. France also gets this. It's just. Look at you. It's your face.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, we get that, too. Have you ever gone over there as a tourist?

[Stugatz]

Oh, no, no. We get that all over the world.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, of course.

[Stugatz]

But I'm saying that the French are the last place where I could be at a microphone and say some form of. Yeah, don't like the French. And everyone understands. Everyone's like, that's still allowed today. We might get. We're with you, Dano. Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Sounds like America's sponsored by the haters, am I right? Attaboy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Finally.

[Greg Cody]

There you go.

[Dan LeBatard]

Long play coming, by the way.

[Greg Cody]

So let me ask you guys a question. If, you know, the president gets his way and Canada becomes a 51st state, then are you just hating yourself?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, because then we just count electoral votes and we realize he's just guaranteed liberal control of the country forever.

[Stugatz]

How do you feel about putting on that hat with that mustache, that Angel Reese take and your general love of NASCAR and making it Maga Mike Mondays.

[Greg Cody]

Whoa. You said that hat. It was also confusing.

[Dan LeBatard]

No.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, no. He said no.

[Stugatz]

Jason, get to work on that.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, Jason just kind of does whatever he wants.

[Dan LeBatard]

No.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Red Hat Mondays. It sounds like.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not doing that one Bob Koozie on the list.

[Stugatz]

Kyle Larson. Well, there was a white Celtic in there, but I couldn't see with my glasses. It was so far away. I didn't know whether it was Hondo or Koozie. I didn't know who it was. Probably not on the second tier. The fourth tier. I see he's next to Nash. I don't know who that fourth guy is either. Is that Kemba Walker? Who's that fourth guy?

[Greg Cody]

Huh?

[Stugatz]

Oh, is that Dame.

[Dan LeBatard]

That does look like Kemba. Is that. Is that Steve Francis?

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Stugatz]

Marbury are on the fourth tier with Durant. Is that Rondo down there?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Kemba.

[Stugatz]

Kemba making the fourth tier.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's kind of kd. Better handles in Derek Rose again. Stop giving this person.

[Stugatz]

That's Kemba. Better handles than Michael Jordan and co. Kobe and. And Damon. Derrick Rose, who's the white guy and Rondo.

[Dan LeBatard]

Where. Where are the whites?

[Greg Cody]

Steve Nash.

[Stugatz]

Cody.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's Canadian.

[Stugatz]

Cody, we need your help here on who's the second Celtic? This is your age, right next to Steve Nash. This is your age. How do you not know who this is? This is absolutely your wheelhouse.

[Greg Cody]

I believe that is a young Bob Koozie. Yeah, I believe.

[Stugatz]

I believe Greg is right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

A script for nascar.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, that's Bob Koozie.

[Greg Cody]

I think Greg also has like a top five, the list of nicknames, right?

[Stugatz]

Yes. Top five handles from Greg Cody.

[Greg Cody]

I only have one.

[Stugatz]

Okay, good work by you today. So I asked you to prepare a top five list. You stared, you looked around, you didn't do anything. And then you said, I've got one.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, well, I'm not.

[Stugatz]

You know what? Don't even want.

[Greg Cody]

Hold on.

[Stugatz]

Game show me.

[Greg Cody]

Never going to have it.

[Stugatz]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

I'm not even going to show you.

[Stugatz]

I mean, gold, silver, bronze, didn't make the podium.

[Greg Cody]

Very long winded answer.

[Dan LeBatard]

I spent all night on the.

[Stugatz]

This.

[Dan LeBatard]

Go ahead, Greg.

[Stugatz]

I like that game.

[Greg Cody]

Actually, no, he said he didn't want it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Formal appeal on any silver bronze.

[Stugatz]

Not you. I don't I don't want your game.

[Greg Cody]

Wondering now who the one was though.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is true. Want there to be record that I strongly oppose Mega Mike Monday or any var.

[Greg Cody]

You want it on Tuesday?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, no, preferably on Wednesdays. Wow. Let's pick them on Wednesdays.

[Greg Cody]

You can have Wednesday if you want.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sweet. Yeah. Let's talk. You want to talk some racing? You want to talk some left turns? We're mixing in some right turns this week in Chicago. But let's talk about the Atlanta race. I mean it's essentially a superspeedway. Incredible race. It was TNT's first race with their package and it was incredible. Multiple big ones DraftKings unveiled this in season tournament that featured head to head matchups. It was a bracket challenge and and damn near all the lower seeds won because of the chaos that was on this track. But you had incredible racing, especially down the stretch. You had Alex Bowman and Chase Elliott teaming up to effectively make sure that Brad Keselowski would not win a race. And you had great thrills as two really popular drivers that have been waiting a long time for a win on the NASCAR circuit battle it out. And Chase Elliot wins his first race in 44 races. That is NASCAR's most popular driver in his hometown track. It was absolute scenes. But this week I'm actually headed to Chicago. Second straight year I've done this for the 4th of July weekend.

[Stugatz]

Nice.

[Dan LeBatard]

Going to the Chicago street race which is incredible down at Graham park side of Lollapalooza and doing something really cool with DraftKings and Cuervo. They're teaming up for the ultimate Street Race party at Joy District 112 W. Hubbard St. Saturday, July 5 from 11am to 3pm come through for drinks, races, vibes, giveaways, Xfinity Series races going on that day. Zak Brown Band concert is a part of all the festivities. This isn't your traditional NASCAR race because the infield is where they hold Lollapalooza. So you got concerts, activations, incredible opportunities, a meet and greet with some of the circuit's greatest drivers, and for a street race, I really hope the weather holds up because this one has promise. The Xfinity Series race last year was one of the best street races I've ever seen with Larson and Van Ginsbergen doing battle. But for whatever reason, the Cup Series has just never had the benefit of good weather. If you have a sunny day in summertime shy downtown with all those buildings around it, it should be picturesque and for street course, really good racing. So I'm Excited about that. And just whatever happens, we cannot have a repeat of last year where Alex Bowman somehow wins.

[Stugatz]

You mentioned Kyle Larson, though. What is the video setup that is required here for somebody throwing an F bomb into the sky? What is, what is the context that this video with Kyle Larson requires?

[Dan LeBatard]

So Formula One fans got super excited because there was chaos in, in their most recent race and they don't know chaos. Chaos is a NASCAR race, especially super speedway racing. So this will put you in Kyle Larson's car as a spotter is talking to him, helping him navigate the chaos that's in front of him. Kyle Larson, one of the few big name drivers that didn't get caught up in this mess. And it was by expert level driving and expert level spotting. Here's the video.

[Stugatz]

Half back, middle lane now. Tight, tight.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wrecking in front of you, reckon? Hold it, hold it, hold it straight. Hold it straight. Watch 20. Check up. Middle, middle, middle, middle.

[Stugatz]

Watch 12.

[Dan LeBatard]

Watch. Check, check, check, check, check, check. Keep coming up, up, up, up.

[Stugatz]

That's crazy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Holy.

[Stugatz]

Great job.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really good heads up.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Absolute chaos. Let's throw up one more time. Just as B roll. You don't need the sound there, but these cars are going at this point, 170 miles per hour, and everyone's fishtailing every. No one's in control of their car. Kyle Larson's had some really good moments this season and some tough luck. This season somehow avoids this. This is the same spotter that went at Kyle last year when Denny Hamlin was kind of bullying him a little bit. And he's like, he pulls that move because you let him. And he got all sassy and Kyle Larson was like, dude, shut the up. Seems like they made up.

[Stugatz]

Have you guys been scared like that? That's happened to me a couple of times in a fishtailing car. One time spinning on a highway. When you drive, drafting on the highway, Dan, it was not while drafting, but it was just. I did not know in Bristol, Connecticut how to drive in snow as a Miami guy wasn't aware that you got to use your brakes differently. So, yeah, I just didn't know. Nobody taught me that you got to have special, special tires. Have you guys ever been in a fishtailing car? It's horrifying.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. When it's raining down the Florida turnpike. Not fun. Also, there was one time I was driving to Tallahassee for an FSU game. That's the only reason I'd ever be in that crap town. I was driving an excurs and I was going about 75 on the Panhandle, blew a tire, somehow saved everybody's life.

[Stugatz]

You are filled with hate today. No need for Tallahassee.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a crap town.

[Stugatz]

Swipe. It's unnecessary. I wanted to talk to you guys about something. I mentioned this a couple of times. It was an Adam Schefter report talking to an NBA executive, an NBA executive who said that whoever won the lottery in the NBA this year and got Cooper Flag flag was literally winning a lottery that would be worth between 500 million and a billion dollars to be able to get Cooper Flag. And it's not just the potential of Cooper Flag. I think what's unstated there? Or is it unstated? You tell me. If you hear a lot being talked about in this realm, it's white American, Cooper Flag being great at basketball when who is the last. Last great white American player. And Larry Bird. When I talk about this, I do want you to understand that for a few years now, I have been saying the language barrier makes it so that when Giannis crosses it, charmingly fighting through his second language to do so, he becomes an international superstar and beloved in this country. But it's been harder for the personality of. Of Yokish to cross the language barrier, for Lucas personality to cross the language barrier. I'm just talking. I'm not talking about guys who are great at basketball. They obviously are. I'm talking about foreigners who are great at basketball, which we identify as our game. And furthermore, the game has been fed for 50 years. On the starting point was the racial rivalry between Larry Bird and Magic. That's ground zero on where we went from tape delay to international stardom and rest assured, heard the race was a big part of it. It's not just that they were great. It's that one of them was black and one of them was white. Cooper Flagg has a chance to be something bigger than what? Kevin Love.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Stugatz]

Who are the white Americans that we even go to in the last 20 years as foreigners keep coming over and. And Joel Embiid tries to reach you where he can over the language barrier and does it has to be Kevin Love or Alex Caruso?

[Dan LeBatard]

I've got news for you. I've got news for you. It's not just the whites. I've heard Bomani talk about this and why there were so many hopes and how John Morant moved the needle because we had. We're essentially in the middle of a new generation of basketball where the biggest, most elite stars in that sport aren't American. Even the reigning MVP is Canadian. He just signed for $285 million in extension today. John Morant. A lot of hopes were on him to be like the American Hooper that gets people reinvigorated and replaces like Derrick.

[Stugatz]

Rose did once upon a time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, and it just waja. A lot of it's been his own doing. But there hasn't been like that new talisman as an American. Certainly when it comes to a white American basketball player in that league, we haven't seen it for quite some time, because as great as Kevin Love was, he's going to be a Hall of Famer and capture the imagination the way that Caitlin Clark is. And I think you look at the Caitlin Clark phenomenon, yeah, she's an incredible Hooper, but part of it is we can't ignore this. She's an American white. It helps. And so if Cooper Flagg is as good as advertised and they've been advertising him since he was 16 years old, this is going to be a big deal for the league.

[Stugatz]

And I'd add to that, though, beyond the race element, this is something that always where phenomenons are, these catch in ways that are unusual and it's unusual to say about a white American. But whether it is Jeremy Lin, Fernando Valenzuela, Dontrell Willis, whatever you think of as sports phenomenons that cross over, where all of a sudden it's Good Morning America, Robin Roberts, what's. What's this ethnic thing over here, the white American is that in basketball as a novelty, it's just like, wait a minute. What do you mean? We're gonna get something different than what Nick Collison gets when he runs on every court for the last 20 years, which is everyone shouting shooter. Even though he's not largely role players now, it's true.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, the white American basketball player that is an elite all star in that sport is. It's of a bygone era. And if Cooper Flag strolls into the league, he's going to stroll into the league that hasn't seen it for 20 years. You guys may not like this answer, but the person you're talking about is Tyler Herro, right?

[Stugatz]

That is the answer to All Star. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

And it's like, has he taken the nation by storm? He's got a song with Jack Harlow that uses his name, but, like, even that doesn't breach, like, pop culture the way it does. But remember, they made their deep runs with him injured. The rookie run that he put, was it 40 points in the bubble. An incredible performance there. Remember how outsized the reaction was for Tyler Herro if he makes deeper runs. Yes, he's an all star right now, but he's a total afterthought in the league. Thanks a lot, Pat. Great first day of free agency, by the way. Way like. He will certainly ascend and he will become a big deal.

[Greg Cody]

You're not wondering who that person on Greg's list is? It's killing me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can you tell us, Greg, Please?

[Greg Cody]

I need to know.

[Stugatz]

I need to know. You'll never know.

[Greg Cody]

No one will ever know. Literally, you never know. No, I can't now. My pride won't let me. Pride of a lion. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thank you. Is it Gary, the bag?

[Greg Cody]

It is not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not.

[Greg Cody]

That's a good one. Might not even be a human being.

[Stugatz]

Really?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Now we need might not, but it might be. You'll never know.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime? You know how I supplement my summertime?

[Jeremy]

Of course I do.

[Dan LeBatard]

I make it Miller time. Of course. That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead. Forehead right there. And just roll it sometimes right on the forehead. Cool my body down. And then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first hit.

[Jeremy]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip of Miller Light, just thinking about it.

[Jeremy]

It'S making me happy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dude, the sun is out. It's nice. You have your friends showing up. You got your family there. You just had your first sip of Miller Light. And you know what? You're happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Lite four years, and for good reason. It's food for taste. Only 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That's five decades of cookouts, laughs, and ice cold moments that never miss. It's the original light beer, and it's still my. Go to Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery at options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.