Hour 1: Shams Called Out Over Jimmy Butler Trade Rumors

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Hour 1: Shams Called Out Over Jimmy Butler Trade Rumors
Release Date: December 12, 2024

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1. Introduction and Athlete Security Concerns [01:02 - 02:43]

The episode kicks off with Dan Le Batard and his co-hosts delving into the growing concerns surrounding athlete security. Tony raises alarming points about recent incidents involving high-profile athletes, highlighting how their families and residences have become targets for burglaries.

Notable Quote:

Tony [01:35]: "I hadn't given it very much thought. So it comes up when Joe Burrow's house is there's an attempted robbery that..."

Roy chimes in, sharing his personal experience with house break-ins, emphasizing the importance of personal security measures for athletes. The conversation underscores a shift in post-COVID living arrangements, where athletes are more susceptible due to increased time spent at home.

2. Jimmy Butler Trade Rumors and Shams’ Involvement [02:46 - 10:21]

The core of the episode revolves around the contentious trade rumors surrounding Miami Heat star Jimmy Butler. The hosts analyze recent reports and the involvement of Shams Charania, a respected NBA insider, who has been central to these discussions.

Key Points:

• Shams' Credibility: The hosts debate Shams' reliability, with Tony expressing skepticism over Bernard Lee's (Jimmy Butler’s agent) aggressive stance against Shams' reporting.

Notable Quotes:

Tony [07:58]: "Why is he doing this unless Shams has it wrong?"

Chris Cody [07:14]: "Chris Cody has stopped correctly on Bernard Lee jumping into the fray with all right, listen."

Discussion Highlights:

• Bernard Lee vs. Shams: Bernard Lee publicly criticized Shams for his reporting on Butler's potential trade destinations, which is unusual given Shams' reputation for accuracy.

• Possible Trade Destinations: Shams suggested Phoenix as a viable option for Butler, despite financial and strategic challenges, leading to confusion and debate among the hosts.

• Heat's Silence: There's a consensus that the Miami Heat organization typically remains quiet on such rumors, which adds another layer of uncertainty to the situation.

Dan Le Batard's Insight:

Dan Le Batard [09:42]: "The Heat as a matter of policy, just simply don't comment on this stuff."

3. Transition to Movie Discussions [10:21 - 42:09]

After an intense discussion on NBA trade rumors, the conversation shifts towards the entertainment industry, particularly focusing on movie remakes and franchises.

a. Nosferatu and Upcoming Films [12:01 - 15:44]

The hosts express excitement about the new rendition of the classic vampire tale, Nosferatu, directed by Robert Eggers. They discuss the film's connection to the original 1922 silent movie and its modern twist, highlighting its release on Christmas Day Night.

Notable Quote:

David Samson [13:06]: "This is a remake of the 1922 silent film, the seminal German silent film that was basically Bram Stoker's Dracula, but without using the names."

b. James Bond Franchise Debate [16:03 - 26:01]

A spirited debate ensues about the longevity and impact of the James Bond franchise compared to other major movie franchises. The hosts compare Bond's seven movies over six decades with franchises like Mission Impossible, Rocky, and Harry Potter.

Notable Quotes:

Tony [25:48]: "If I go all in with the Bond franchise, I'M feeling decent about my hand."

David Samson [26:07]: "I wasn't a big Dune guy cinematically."

Discussion Highlights:

• Franchise Longevity: Tony advocates for Bond's enduring presence, citing its consistent relevance since the 1960s.

• Box Office Comparison: David and the other hosts debate which franchises have had greater box office success, pointing out nuances like the number of releases and cultural impact.

c. Tarantino Movies and Personal Favorites [29:11 - 39:04]

The conversation takes a critical turn towards Quentin Tarantino's filmography. While some hosts defend Tarantino's work, others express disappointment with certain films like Hateful Eight, leading to a broader discussion on favorite movies and underrated classics.

Notable Quote:

Tony [34:21]: "He does not make any bad ones. I think that's the worst of. He has not made a bad one."

d. Movie Picks and Genres [39:04 - 42:09]

Wrapping up the movie segment, the hosts share their "Top Five Movies" lists, highlighting a range of genres from action-packed thrillers to personal favorites that evoke nostalgia.

Notable Quote:

Dan Le Batard [41:00]: "You can't handle the truth."

4. Conclusion and Final Thoughts [42:09 - End]

As the episode nears its end, the discussions broaden to include personal anecdotes and light-hearted banter about shared experiences, such as watching movies on cruise ships and the dynamics of relationships influenced by movie preferences.

Final Notable Quote:

Tony [42:05]: "Stranger than Fiction. A terrible list."

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Summary Insights:

• Athlete Security: The episode sheds light on the vulnerabilities faced by professional athletes regarding personal and family security, a topic often overshadowed by their public personas.

• Trade Rumors Credibility: The debate surrounding Jimmy Butler's potential trade underscores the complexities of sports journalism and the delicate relationships between agents and reporters.

• Entertainment Industry Trends: The hosts' extensive discussion on movies reflects a broader commentary on the evolution of film franchises, the impact of remakes, and personal tastes shaping public opinion.

• Host Dynamics: The lively exchanges and differing viewpoints among the hosts showcase their chemistry and deep knowledge of both sports and entertainment, providing listeners with diverse perspectives.

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This episode masterfully intertwines pressing sports news with engaging discussions on popular culture, offering listeners a comprehensive look into the multifaceted interests of Dan Le Batard and his team.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

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[David Samson]

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[Jessica]

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[David Samson]

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[Tony]

You guys tell me if you were surprised at all by something that happened yesterday. I don't know why this caught me off guard, but it did catch me off guard. So beyond Jessica being fascinated by that Joe Burrow story yesterday and just athlete burglaries in general because you know where they're going to be and their home or their families when they're playing might be unsecure. And so I hadn't thought about that in a long time since talking, as I mentioned yesterday to Anton Jameson a long time ago about just going to extreme security measures with his home and driving around his neighborhood several times just to make sure that somebody wasn't gonna try and grab his jewelry in the driveway with a gun. And I just hadn't given it very much thought. So it comes up when Joe Burrow's house is there's an attempted robbery that.

[Chris Cody]

Has an si, wasn't attempted, has a.

[Tony]

Robbery and has an SI swimsuit model at home who works for him and people are enjoying whatever that is. But I was not expecting this yesterday from Tua when just out of nowhere he's like, come into my house. See how that goes for you.

[Roy]

I have personal security just because I, my, my house had gotten broken into. Not necessarily my house, but one of my cars. And so it's a little too close for my comfort with my family being in the house. So we got personal security to take care of all of that. When we're on the road. We got someone with my wife got, you know, someone also at the house surveying the house. So just to let that be known, they are armed. So I hope if you decide to go to my house, you think twice.

[Billy]

Was that David during that clip saying, I do that too.

[Chris Cody]

It's that I was robbed too. And I had personal security as well, because you have the. You have the view that it will help you. And then you realize if someone wants you, they want you. And burglars really have nowhere to go but athletes because with remote working post. Covid, people are home all the time now. So the don't sound too excited about it. Well, no, it's a nightmare. If you're a burglar, you have to go to a place where people are out. They're not looking to find the armed guard.

[Billy]

I'm picturing a burglar doing it back in my day.

[David Samson]

Back in empty homes.

[Chris Cody]

Can go anywhere nine to five.

[David Samson]

You were good.

[Chris Cody]

Covid, man. It crushed ring cams.

[Tony]

I never.

[David Samson]

Everyone's got an only fans and they work their own hours.

[Tony]

I never got it confirmed, but I was told at one point it made sense once you're talking about these kinds of economies that LeBron's home in South Florida, because it was on water, had frog men. Like, had people to make sure that you weren't coming the back way either. Like, you weren't coming from. You weren't coming by sea either. I just didn't think. I didn't know. To think that Tua would have to need security around his home to make sure that somebody. I wouldn't have considered it, honestly.

[Chris Cody]

There's a ton of neighborhoods in south Florida that the cars get broken into. You're told even when you live behind a gate. Back when I was down here, they would say, lock your cars in the driveway of a nice area in Plantation. Lock your cars.

[Billy]

Doesn't everyone lock their cars always?

[Adnan]

That's the whole point, right?

[Chris Cody]

I always would.

[David Samson]

Not in action movies, the keys are always up on that visor. And I don't understand it. Like, where is this? I mean, what kind of life of security must you live?

[Adnan]

Well, wait a second. Didn't you have your key in your car for like three years?

[David Samson]

That was a mistake. I had no idea it was there.

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[David Samson]

Yeah, I had a spare key that was like in the. Someone could have just like walked up to my car and just driven it away.

[Tony]

So you were saying, what kind of movies are this? And it's your life.

[David Samson]

Yeah.

[Tony]

It could have just happened.

[David Samson]

It wasn't an advisor.

[Tony]

It's an advisor.

[Chris Cody]

Was it in the crack in between the seats you couldn't get to?

[David Samson]

I don't recall. It might have been in the crack.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. Once it's in the crack, you don't go back. You can't find it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yep.

[Chris Cody]

And my hands are too small. I could. Stuff just gets.

[David Samson]

You can fit a lot in that.

[Billy]

I can get some stuff out of the crack.

[Tony]

Can you guys tell me what's real, what's not real when it comes to Jimmy Butler? These reports. Bernard Lee entering the fray. The agents, it should be known throughout sports are real and legitimate power brokers. They have relationships with the general managers. The best power structures in the NBA know to have relationships with the business of agents so that they can have good relationships with Jimmy Butler. The reports that have been leaked. Now Shams is saying, and Shams is credible, that Jimmy Butler would also consider Phoenix as a landing spot, even though that would be hard for a number of different apron and financial concerns to go along with Golden State and Dallas and Houston. The part that surprised me and I wasn't sure what the motive was. Bernard Lee was his agent. Said, all right, listen, I gave. He's talking to Shams here. I gave you a pass yesterday because I was busy, but if you don't stop putting my name on your complete and utter made up bullshit because you know, you normally aren't worth my time to acknowledge I've not seen an agent go after one of the information guys that way. I will tell you that Shams and I don't know, look, everyone needs agents as sources. But Woj had agents and management. Shams is players. Shams is also agents. But Shams is a lot younger. I haven't seen. Bernard Lee didn't and wouldn't do that to Woad. So what's happening there?

[David Samson]

I have no idea what's happening there. He comes out firing. He clearly has some longstanding issue with Shams whenever he reports on Jimmy Butler. I guess specifically this was unexpected, expected. And you don't really see anybody going at Sham specifically like this.

[Billy]

Is this a different tweet if he takes out. All right, listen, like if this just starts. I gave you a pass. Like he. Well, no, I love, I love that first sentence.

[Chris Cody]

All right, listen.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then read.

[David Samson]

Yeah, all right. People went after. People went after Woj a little bit. LeBron's camp would go after Woj through their different avenues. I don't, I don't think I've ever really seen anything like this as it pertains to Shams who once reported before anyone that Donald Trump got Covid.

[Tony]

What Chris Cody is saying there is important and I think it needs to be inspected. Okay. Because Chris Cody has stopped correctly on Bernard Lee jumping into the fray with all right, listen.

[Billy]

And then read.

[Tony]

No, well, he's Got a finger up. That's right, you're gonna read now, but let's pretend it's listen because I've gotten your attention. The fact that you think that has more threatening behind it than complete and utter made up bullshit directed at a credible journalist, complete and utter made up bullshit is the part that got my attention because Woj and Chams don't often get it wrong. Agents lie all the time. Why is he doing this unless Shams has it wrong?

[David Samson]

So, but how does this end? Because there needs to be a victor here. If this ends with Jimmy Butler getting traded to one of the teams that Shams outlined before, then that's a whole lot of pomp and circumstance for you to end up being wrong in the end.

[Tony]

This is what I'm, what I'm asking.

[David Samson]

Can you be right now and then wrong in the end?

[Tony]

What I'm asking you guys is this because we have seen how valuable information is in the information business. Shams and Woj and Schefter, like there are five or seven of these people who you just trust that their information is correct. You just trust that it is even in the face of someone who's got credibility saying complete and utter made up bullshit. And so I'm asking you guys, where do you side on this? Because most often or to every degree that I can ever remember, when Shams reports it, it's correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't they have a beef going Back to like 2021 when Jimmy's agent called him like an ambulance chaser or like a clickbait chaser or something like that? Like they have. This is a longstanding feud.

[Billy]

That's where the all right list comes from, the baggage.

[Dan Le Batard]

Am I remembering this right?

[Chris Cody]

And with an injury where he denied that there was a sprain and then the announced, by the way, there's a sprain, it turns out that the agent is highly incentivized to lie. And you're gonna think that's a take as an executive. But for Shams, when his currency, and he's new at this now and this, he's not new look in the poll position, he's brand new.

[Tony]

But what he's not new at is this dude gets it right. Like the reason he's got the name that he does, it's not just because he gets it first plenty. And he does, it's because he always gets it right. It's not some of the times, it's not even most of the time. It's like no real stain on getting it wrong. The value of his information is that.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know that it's true and everything's going through shams right now. Right. Because Woj is not in the game anymore. So he's getting a ton of this information. He probably got a lot of sources that were people that were going for Woj. My question is why don't the Heat just be like, nope, not true. Shut it down.

[Adnan]

Well, Mickey Harrison retweeted Bernard Lee's tweet. So maybe that's some sort of cosign, but this is the first time an agent's ever lied.

[Tony]

No.

[Adnan]

Is this posturing? Is this 4D chess where no, this is bullshit. It's not part of the Sun's trying to drive the price up.

[Tony]

I will tell you this. The Heat as a matter of policy, just simply don't comment on this stuff. But I will tell you this isn't even Pat Riley's viewpoint that Mickey Harrison, I don't think there's much of anything in the world he has less use for than the reporting around his sport. And he doesn't value what the information guys do as truth because the Miami Heat doesn't talk to anybody. And so any perspective that's coming out on the Miami Heat is coming from somebody who's outside of the organization. This particular thing though, the Miami Heat are in a critical time and we have watched a history making era of basketball where Pat Riley is trying to get one last time at the throne and he's so very close. And it's bam at the rim against Tatum. And now the Celtics have wildly outgrown the Miami Heat. And the last vestiges of what the Heat had challenging the Celtics are this old contract that we know is going to age poorly. You've got to get something for him before he opts out and you go into next postseason without him. But you're not likely to get something better than Jimmy Butler. That then makes you better then Boston unless you involve a third team. What do you shake?

[Chris Cody]

If you're up south and it didn't age poorly, it means that he's still he's worth even more than what are.

[David Samson]

We also to ignore what Jimmy did in the off season. Hey, those purple and gold uniforms look good. Like we're just going to pretend everything is just kumbaya here in Miami. This is part of the Jimmy Butler playbook and this is how he kind of operates, especially when there are seeds or beyond seeds of him outgrowing a place which has happened several times.

[Tony]

But I pair this with the reports out of Golden State where a Hungry, Hungry champion with a star on his last legs insists on surrounding him with a player who would look like Jimmy Butler. If you're trying to go all win. Now on, let's capitalize what we just came back from on the Olympics. And now the reports are out there. Well, Golden State would like LeBron and Jimmy Butler to join Steph because Steph deserves to have the surroundings. What he's built in Golden State. He deserves for Golden State to go all in with all of their passion. And instead of Steve Kerr getting kicked out of games, management is doing everything they can to get two players like Steph Curry to get him to age with grace.

[David Samson]

A lot of people want a lot of things, though they don't always get what they want. Especially when the Miami Heat won a superstar to demand a trade. Look, I want Aaron Taylor Johnson's abs. I'm craving them.

[Adnan]

I don't even know who that is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, is he from that. The Craven movie?

[Chris Cody]

The New Bond?

[Dan Le Batard]

I found out.

[David Samson]

Is he gonna be the New Bond?

[Chris Cody]

The rumors. He's the New Bond. And you may have seen the Savages with Blake Ly Lively. That's him, too.

[Dan Le Batard]

I haven't.

[David Samson]

And you know what else? He's in Nosferatu.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that's what I know. I'm from. What did you see? It was a good.

[David Samson]

I'm gonna see a Christmas Day night.

[Tony]

Ooh. I want to. I want to talk about Nosferatu in a. In a second. But getting back to. What are you doing?

[David Samson]

I'm coming out of a casket. Well, sarcophagus. Don't call it a casket, because in Nosferatu, we don't. What. What are the.

[Tony]

What are the Satan names? Beelzebub? Nosferatu. Like Nosferatu.

[David Samson]

No, no, Nosferatu is not a Satan name. It's the name for the undead, the vampire.

[Tony]

But it's a form of great evil. Okay. I thought it was Satan related. I'm sorry. Nosferatu is just the greatest of the vampires. I've seen him wandering around the smoke on a boat on the trailer for Nosferatu.

[David Samson]

You've seen Nosferatu? No one's really seen him. All you get is just the David, enough. This is. You know who directed this film? Robert Eggers, the guy that did the Lighthouse. This is his fourth feature film. He did the Witch, he did the Northmen, the Witch, and he did the Lighthouse, which is a Christmas movie. So this is the most marketing he's ever had behind it. I'm literally wearing a collaboration for a cologne. I'm so hyped for this Christmas Day night.

[Chris Cody]

The cinematography said or posted or something to all of this perfume or cologne. Wondering.

[David Samson]

Haunting.

[Chris Cody]

It's really something.

[David Samson]

Do you want to smell? It smells like Count Orlok's cave.

[Chris Cody]

I can't smell it.

[Dan Le Batard]

It smells okay.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you.

[Billy]

It does smell like a cave.

[David Samson]

It does smell like a cave. But a nice cave.

[Dan Le Batard]

I could see what they were going for.

[David Samson]

Inviting an inviting cave. So bas. Basically this is just a remake of the 1922 silent film, the seminal German silent film that was basically Bram Stoker's Dracula, but without using the names. So it's a darker twist on this because the Count is actually undead, even though it's Dracula. Doesn't go by Dracula, it goes by Orlok. And it's supposed to be incredible. And this is a seminal movie event comes out Christmas Day night. And all the little goth kids and all the little emos and all the little vampy kids are gonna be super excited because Aegirs always delivers all four of his films over 90% on the rotten Tomatoes meter, including this one.

[Dan Le Batard]

So are you team Edward or team Jacob?

[David Samson]

Which one's Pattinson?

[Chris Cody]

Edward. Oh, my Lord. That's the seminal movie. Not this Nostradamus thing.

[David Samson]

What? What?

[Tony]

Nosferat.

[David Samson]

You haven't seen. Look, this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Neither of you guys know what it is, so you're not allowed to talk about it.

[David Samson]

You haven't seen the 1922 silent film. You're a cinephile. That should be, like, required viewing for anybody.

[Dan Le Batard]

Didn't Warner Herzog make a nosferatu in the 70s?

[David Samson]

I did and he did, and I watched it last week. And this one, they don't call him Nosferatu or Count Orlok. He's just Dracula. But he looks Nosferatu, like 1922. Now everybody's got their original names. Lots of rats in that film.

[Tony]

I thought I saw a trailer for Nosferatu. That was him floating over a ship in the smoke. That. That's the trailer of what it is that you're talking about.

[David Samson]

Was that the Last Voyage of the Demeter? That one stunk regardless. And all the Dracula.

[Tony]

Two things I wanted to talk about off of what you were saying. First of all, Lamar Jackson was trending yesterday. Correct. Because he says he prefers a female scent. Getting back to what you guys were talking about on the cologne. But I also wanted to talk about what David said about the next Bond and what's going to happen with the next Bond. Daniel Craig was asked what he thought should happen with the next Bond and his Response surprised me. His response was just, I don't care. There have only been a handful of bonds. It's a treasured position. It is one of the great movie franchises of all time.

[Chris Cody]

He doesn't own any part of it.

[David Samson]

Can we spoil. It's been years now. We can spoil what happened to the last Bond, right?

[Chris Cody]

Of course.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[David Samson]

All right. Spoiler alert for people that haven't watched the last Bond. James Bond is dead.

[Tony]

What?

[David Samson]

He died.

[Adnan]

007. That is.

[David Samson]

Yeah, he comes 007. Silhouette. See, that's right. That's also right. You think 007. No, that's a title. That's a title. Yeah. No. Double James Bond. Bond. James Bond dead. I don't really know how they come back from this one.

[Chris Cody]

By hiring Aaron Taylor Johnson in his abs.

[David Samson]

Dude, those abs are sick.

[Dan Le Batard]

I remember in the Dracula book, he's on a ship. Dan, doesn't he take a ship to England?

[David Samson]

Yeah, I remember the Demeter. Or is it Demeter?

[Tony]

Either way, yeah.

[David Samson]

There was a whole bad movie made on just that ship voyage. Which is super frustrating because I'm like, guys, look for it during the day. All these bad things are happening at night. It's right. Like it's a ship. You're not covering a lot of ground. Just look for it during the day. We all know where all this stuff is coming from. There's dirt everywhere. Coming from these caskets. Guys are missing. Just look for it during the day.

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[Tony]

Oh, wow.

[Chris Cody]

It's in there.

[Tony]

It's better, I think.

[David Samson]

I haven't been practicing stugats.

[Tony]

I didn't realize we had a substitute complicated legacy trip to by headquarter Toyota.

[Adnan]

441 Power Line Road second down to nine.

[David Samson]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Tony]

This is a good segue because it's been two weeks in the making. I started a show and then I wandered away from it. I was talking to Tony at the beginning of a show about the top five movies that'll stop on every single time. He's flipping through the channels. Look, they're putting this beefcake up here.

[David Samson]

Take it out a preview. You know he did the reverse Bella Ch. His partner's much older.

[Dan Le Batard]

NFL now.

[David Samson]

This dude is like having his moment right now.

[Tony]

The reverse Belichick. So this is the new bond. The bond. The new bond has abs. How many bonds have there been? Four, five? Ever.

[Chris Cody]

It's reckless journalism. It's. He hasn't been named. I said he's rumored. So that's not reckless. I don't think I get the button.

[David Samson]

No, I think much more than four or five. You got Connery, Moore, Daltrey, Dalton, Roger Daltrey. He wasn't. Daltrey wasn't one of. Is he in the who. Who.

[Tony]

So it's been six. It's been six bonds. There haven't been very many of them. And so why would he care?

[Chris Cody]

He's not getting paid. He doesn't own any part of the IP.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's seven total. Double 007.

[Tony]

Oh, look at that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why they killed him. We can't have an 8.

[David Samson]

So, you know, there was one more 007. Because for a moment, like 007 is assumed by another person in the last one.

[Adnan]

Right.

[David Samson]

So there have been more 007s than James Bonds, right?

[Tony]

How about this? I have noticed while watching everybody get in on this conversation, if I scan the room, even Roy has wanted to get in. But there's been somebody who's been hiding in the shadows, but in plain sight. It would appear, based on the look in Chris Cody's eyes, that he has not seen a single Bond.

[Billy]

I played the video game.

[Adnan]

That's about Golden Eye. I've never seen Indiana Jones. I've never seen James Bond. What's wrong with this guy?

[Billy]

Never seen a single. I've seen Austin Powers. That's the closest I've gotten to James Bond.

[David Samson]

How do you get the jokes without.

[Billy]

I played Golden Eye?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a great question.

[David Samson]

You should watch James Bond to really unlock this movie because I know you like it.

[Billy]

I still thought it was funny.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is there still. Isn't it a spike tv? Wasn't that the channel that used to replay all the Bonds around Christmas time? This is the best time of year to watch all the Bond movies. There's usually TV marathons.

[Billy]

Which one do I start on?

[Chris Cody]

They're streaming now. Of course. You can get them anytime you want to know.

[David Samson]

My.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's nothing like turning on cable over the Christmas vacation. Seven Bonds in a row, right?

[David Samson]

You know my concept for where to take the James Bond franchise since he's now dead? You go back in time, you take the source material and you do period pieces from when those books were written. Noir.

[Chris Cody]

Let me get Broccoli on the phone and we'll get right on that.

[Billy]

The story of little Jimmy Bond.

[Tony]

How many brands? Movie brands. Fast and the Furious. Whatever it is you want to choose, would you stack up and say, bigger than the Bond franchise just ever? Mission Impossible, Rocky, all of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Godfather, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings.

[David Samson]

Who's been bigger at the box office because James Bond has more films? But let's look it up. The James Bond versus the MI franchise.

[Chris Cody]

You have to adjust, though, for time.

[Tony]

You have to adjust. Wait a minute. I don't think we can trust David on this. David just put up two Godfathers. Not even the third one. He just put up two Godfathers.

[Chris Cody]

Against franchises?

[Tony]

No, but against all the Bond movies.

[David Samson]

There's no way the box office again.

[Tony]

Against all the Bonds movies.

[Chris Cody]

I was just channeling Adnan.

[Tony]

I understand Godfather is great, but I'm asking for franchise for all time. You can pick one and you've got to win this game. You've got to be the biggest franchise in movie history. If I go all in with the Bond franchise, I'M feeling decent about my hand. I don't know. I'm asking the rest of you to give me some stuff you'd put against it. But I'm guessing that if you've only had seven bonds ever and you've been able to keep a franchise alive since the 60s. Mission Impossible took a long break between the 60s. All the bonds have been relatively relevant through, what is it, six, seven decades now.

[David Samson]

I think I would take Jurassic park over it. I would take potentially Star wars for sure. Lord of the Rings has more meat on that bone. Harry Potter. I'd probably take it over James Bond.

[Dan Le Batard]

I watched Dune the other night. Not there yet, but they're starting to spin that baby off.

[David Samson]

I wasn't a big Dune guy cinematically.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you like Timothy?

[David Samson]

I do. You know, I wanted to like Dune, but I just didn't.

[Tony]

Didn't everybody love him on college game day?

[Chris Cody]

I feel like he smelled good there.

[David Samson]

Oh, yeah. No, I think he might actually know Ball or he really prepared for this role. He was probably the best guest picker in ages. He was phenomenal.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have a hot, hot take about Timothee Chalamet on game day. I'm a big Timothee Chalamet fan. Love his work with all of Greta Gerwig's films.

[Billy]

There's a buck coming.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a 28 year old man and people were losing their minds that he knew anything about football. I'm sorry, since when do we just assume theater kids don't watch any sports? He lives in New York. He probably gambles on the weekends on the Mac championship game like we all do.

[David Samson]

He invoked maxion, which right then and then.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he was right, by the way. Ohio spanked Miami.

[Tony]

I love that people would underestimate the theater kid and give him bonus points because he knows a little about college football.

[David Samson]

Yeah, but was he running lines?

[Chris Cody]

I.

[Billy]

Yes, that's what people are accusing him because his stats were so like detailed and it wasn't like just things you'd come off the cuff.

[Chris Cody]

It was like prepped. Yeah, it was like kidding. Did you watch it? It looked like he was performing. It was performative almost.

[Tony]

It can be performative. I'm more interested in what she's saying, which is the just general underestimation of a 28 year old pretty boy. Because you think he can't know anything about college football.

[Dan Le Batard]

Exactly.

[David Samson]

That's a. That's usually not something that's afforded to a 28 year old man, especially appearing on cable. One of cable TV's most popular sports shows.

[Tony]

You would think, right? Although people, I guess people were assuming that he would just be all Broadway and couldn't know anything about Ohio beating Miami Ohio.

[Billy]

Why, thank you, Reese. I would like to make a pick.

[Tony]

Yes, you would make a great flamboyant under.

[David Samson]

Let's take the under.

[Chris Cody]

We had fun with it. I like the birdcage.

[Billy]

I think the window.

[Dan Le Batard]

We should make a football musical.

[David Samson]

We should do that. Who's done that?

[Tony]

I want Chris Cody to do flamboyant Broadway performer.

[Billy]

But let's not be better than it was.

[Tony]

Let's get to Tony's.

[David Samson]

By the way, you mentioned Dune real quick and we'll get to Tony. Did you see the news, the casting news regarding Austin Butler?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, I did. Tell us.

[David Samson]

I am not happy about this, Dan. I know you like American Psycho. It's one of my favorite films. Top five film for me. One of the greatest dark comedies ever made. Don't touch it. But they're remaking it. Or a new spin on an old classic. Austin Butler has been cast as Patrick Bateman, according to reports. I don't like this one.

[Dan Le Batard]

I asked Elvis that.

[David Samson]

That part's not true.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, but they told him to do the Elvis accent the whole time.

[David Samson]

He's been doing the Elvis accent all time since he did the movie.

[Chris Cody]

He was forced to stop, actually.

[Dan Le Batard]

Bop bop, Dan, did you like Elvis?

[Chris Cody]

I happen to know Bop.

[David Samson]

The last act.

[Tony]

Christian Bale. That was my introduction to him. I was American Psycho. I don't know who else is. That is where I discovered that somebody was a good actor. I do not need that remain. But I am trying to get over to where Tony was for several weeks now. I've been trying to get over to that corner of the room and the movies that he will stop on every time. And now we're finally here.

[David Samson]

But, Tony, I have a question for you. Okay. Do you think Austin Butler straddles the line between genius and hack the way that Walken and Nicolas Cage did? Because I kind of think he's, like, bordering on bad actor, but so bad that he's good that he's becoming a bit of a caricature of himself. And you don't do that in your 20s. Like, he's going, I guarantee you. Here's my bold prediction for Austin Butler. Ten years from now, he's going to make an appearance that will revitalize his career in a comedy where he pokes fun at himself because he's just become too outrageous a human. He's not a real person.

[Tony]

And who is the greatest example of that in acting. Is it Busey? Is it Gary Busey?

[David Samson]

Busey, Cage, Walken. These are the guys. Good job invoking Busey. He belongs in that class.

[Chris Cody]

He doesn't belong in the class with Nick Cage. Nick Cage, in terms of cartoon characters, he's not. Nick Cage is a brilliant actor who actually one of the best movies he's made recently was him playing himself. And I'm completely blanking because I'm just.

[David Samson]

He's straddling the line. He's straddling the line. It's a very thin line. Look, it's gone. We see what we've seen. Nic Cage straddle the line and go well over the line and become a punch line. This guy's crazy. It's like bad lieutenant it's because he.

[Chris Cody]

Needed the money, Oli.

[Adnan]

It's a long list. Anno.

[Tony]

He's made a lot of movies. Nick Cage has made a lot of movies while trying to pay the irs, I think, and he buys a bunch of dinosaur bones and everything else.

[Dan Le Batard]

All I'm saying is that if any other 28 year old man were on college game day and was doing college football picks, you guys wouldn't be like, oh my God, he knows football.

[Tony]

It was weird. It was the reaction. They wanted him to not know anything. And the bar was very low on Chalamet Olive.

[Adnan]

Any Mission Impossible movie that's just starting to get the beak wet, you know what I mean? Like, I'm scrolling through and like, oh, all of a sudden it's Fallout. Oh, I'm in. I'm watching the entire thing.

[Tony]

The movie that David was thinking of is the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent on Nicholas Cage is what he was looking for there. I'm sorry, keep going.

[Adnan]

Also a synonym for my top five. Another set of movies that I will always stop on. Any James Bond film I will be locked in on.

[Tony]

So look, I stumbled into it by mistake.

[Chris Cody]

Surprising. I think that's a late ad.

[Tony]

It was unprepared Late ad by Tony.

[Adnan]

No, no, that's not. These are all part of it.

[Billy]

All right, Getting entire franchises.

[Adnan]

Well, no, because obviously there's. There's many, many movies. You talk about seven movies.

[Tony]

No, but what he's saying, he's going off of what Jessica said, which is during the holidays. I don't necessarily associate this with the holidays, but if there is a slow time over these next 10 days at the end of the month and there's a Bond marathon somewhere, you're locked in. I'm going to get hypnotized. For about 20 minutes on whatever's going on there. Like I'm, I'm going to get stopped and I'm going to. I will not move on from that. I will stop in on Bonds.

[Chris Cody]

Nobody channels surfs anymore.

[Tony]

I'm just telling you I will. I'll do that. Around Bond, around Mission Impossible.

[Adnan]

Thank you. All right, next one. Still in the only lie, by the way. Coming to America. The original one, obviously, the second one we don't really acknowledge. Yeah, the secret we don't acknowledge, but.

[Tony]

So Mike, on American Psycho, you don't want it made like, you just simply. You don't think because he just mentioned coming to America, we didn't need the remake? The first one was fine.

[Adnan]

No, first one was great.

[David Samson]

Just don't like the awesome Butler casting either. As Patrick Bateman, you can play like one of the other ancillary roles. Like, you know, give him Thoreau's role. No, don't give him Patrick Bateman.

[Tony]

It's been perfected. I don't need to see someone else in the role.

[David Samson]

That dude from Euphoria and Saltburn, that should be Patrick Bateman.

[Chris Cody]

Barry Kean.

[David Samson]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lordy, lordy. Doe the tall.

[Adnan]

He's got a beard now. It looks weird with a beard.

[Tony]

Samson, what are you doing there? What are you doing that? You're trying to summon a name to play the game that you know somebody and then you get it wrong. Like, what do you.

[Chris Cody]

Why I always got his name wrong? Like Ceres, Roger.

[Tony]

But why? What are you offering to the conversation by limping in?

[Chris Cody]

By trying to get back to Tony.

[Tony]

Bury something or another and you know, like, what are you. What are you contributing to the conversation, Tony?

[Dan Le Batard]

The one who was dating Sabrina Carpenter. We know. We know who we were all on the same page as David. Yes, you could say that again, Tony. Say it again.

[Adnan]

Scarface, anytime, no matter what time. It's a three hour movie, so anytime that it comes on, I'll catch it. Right when the blimp's going over, the world is yours. And I'm like, you know what? The world is mine. Thank you.

[Tony]

When is that going to stop being a thing, Tony? Because that's the same for me. Your list. I. You. I have never heard a list that has had this kind of kindred holding.

[David Samson]

Up a mirror to you, Dan.

[Tony]

I'm just. I will stop. It does not matter when Scarface is in the. It just doesn't matter. I'm going to get to where Frank Lopez is dead and he's offering Ernie.

[Adnan]

A job every Dog has his day. Frank.

[David Samson]

Oli.

[Adnan]

Number Whatever. Hateful Eight.

[Tony]

Really?

[David Samson]

Really.

[Adnan]

I'm a big fan of Hateful Eight.

[Tony]

The worst of the Tarantino.

[David Samson]

I don't say the worst.

[Adnan]

There's other bad ones.

[Chris Cody]

The bottom of my Tarantino list.

[Tony]

He does not make any bad ones. I think that's the worst of. He has not made a bad one.

[David Samson]

Goggins kills it in that one, though.

[Tony]

He was great, man.

[Adnan]

He's incredible.

[Tony]

And all the characters are great, but that movie. Look, I don't even think it's an insult to call something the worst of the Tarantino movies.

[Adnan]

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is not better than Hateful Eight. We'll just start there.

[David Samson]

It is a million times better. Million times better. And awesome. Butler actually kills that assignment.

[Tony]

Wow. Jessica really gave you a side eye.

[Adnan]

That's fine.

[Tony]

Hateful.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a terrible.

[Adnan]

She doesn't like Hatefully.

[David Samson]

If it was made by somebody else, I don't think we'd give it this much of a Runway to be like.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, you know, we would have not even watched it.

[David Samson]

You would have been like this. This might just be bad.

[Adnan]

Not your list.

[David Samson]

Yep.

[Tony]

Whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute. On Tony's list is something that both. Both Mike and Jessica are reducing to terrible.

[David Samson]

Have you seen all the Tarantinos?

[Chris Cody]

I agree.

[Adnan]

I've basically seen every single one of them.

[David Samson]

Which one haven't you seen? Basically is different than seeing them all.

[Adnan]

I remember starting Jackie Brown. I didn't finish it.

[David Samson]

Oh, Jackie Brown.

[Chris Cody]

So good.

[Tony]

It's good.

[Adnan]

I didn't finish it.

[Chris Cody]

It's one of his best.

[Adnan]

Little slow in the beginning. So I kind of tuned up. Went to Mission Impossible, you know.

[Tony]

You guys see what's happening here, right?

[Chris Cody]

It's getting back.

[Tony]

Tarantino made an action movie with a lot of. But a lot of killing. It's a bit of a western. Jackie Brown. Let's move it along. Jackie Brown, exploitation. I don't like the Little Slow.

[David Samson]

He saw Django. The one with action. He saw the western with action.

[Tony]

Okay. There's a theme, Bills.

[Adnan]

I mean, the tapestry.

[Tony]

Tony needs a little action in his movie.

[Chris Cody]

Come on now.

[Adnan]

Now you know why my wife and I don't watch movies together. Next one of the olive. This is the last of the Olive.

[Tony]

We're still in.

[Adnan]

Yeah, of course. No, don't. Indiana Joe. Any of them. Except for the ones like the Crystal Skull, the compass one. Those all suck.

[Chris Cody]

The original.

[Adnan]

The original Indiana Jones. Okay. Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade. Any of those. I Will go out and watch. And if they're on, I will stop.

[Tony]

Tony, this is what we are as kindred spirits. If I was playing right now a game show with my wife that was about knowing each other, like we would both know that the thing that causes her the most shame about me is that she will walk into a room where I'm watching Indiana Jones and she will hit me with again.

[David Samson]

Snakes. Why did it have to be snakes?

[Chris Cody]

The Newlywed Game is a game. There is a game like that.

[Tony]

Is it still there? Are we still playing the Newlywed Game? Is that still a televised game show? Is that still something that's on?

[Chris Cody]

If you channel surf, you can on cruise ships.

[Billy]

They still play it, do they?

[Adnan]

It catches the date in the air.

[Dan Le Batard]

Roy, did you play it on your cruise ship?

[David Samson]

No.

[Billy]

Did you go watch it?

[David Samson]

No.

[Billy]

Everyone goes to watch it. Come on. They get three couples up there. They get a young couple, they get a middle couple, and then a really old couple. They're always so adorable.

[David Samson]

Did not happen.

[Tony]

Roy, did you interact with others on this cruise ship?

[David Samson]

Hell, no.

[Tony]

So. So there was no. There was no community anything. You didn't go to a show. You didn't talk to a stranger. You just stared at the sea for four days.

[David Samson]

That's right.

[Billy]

Come on. I know you went to the sailing away party.

[David Samson]

No.

[Billy]

Come on. Up on deck 10.

[Chris Cody]

Bingo.

[David Samson]

White party.

[Tony]

Bingo.

[David Samson]

No. They went to bingo. I joined them late.

[Billy]

Showed up late to bingo.

[David Samson]

I didn't know where they were. So at the bow of the ship, like.

[Tony]

Roy won a staring contest with the sea.

[David Samson]

Are you the old man from the old man in the sea? Yes.

[Chris Cody]

You went to the lifeboat drill? You have to go to that.

[David Samson]

Nobody went to the lifeboat drill.

[Billy]

What mustard station were you?

[Adnan]

Mandatory mustard.

[David Samson]

This is one of the few windows.

[Adnan]

There you go. All right, Continuing the old live. We got a couple left. No, no.

[David Samson]

Have you considered a top 10?

[Billy]

Oh, Christ, man.

[David Samson]

Ocean's 11.

[Adnan]

Nobody's smoother than Danny Ocean, Dan. You know that. That's another movie you'll stop on every time.

[Tony]

I do like the oceans movies. In fact, Andy Garcia is going to be on South Beach Sessions here in a couple of weeks. And I couldn't stop staring into his eyes just because of whatever it is that oceans. There are certain movies. There are certain. Indiana Jones is obviously this, but that will just transport you back to a time where you could just turn your brain off and be a child. And it's everything that's on Tony's list. Every. Every single thing is turning his brain off number five. Thank you.

[Adnan]

This is a two for one, actually. So it's five, but it's two for one.

[Billy]

Everyone is.

[Adnan]

No, no, man. I can't. I can't. There's too many. There's too many. Godfather one, Two bigger than Bond.

[David Samson]

Lighthouse better be on this.

[Adnan]

I've never seen it. Number four, Goodfellas.

[Chris Cody]

It's not on anyone's list, Mike.

[David Samson]

It's hot.

[Adnan]

Number three, Training Day. Number two, Inglourious Basterds. Probably the best movie Tarantino's ever.

[David Samson]

Agreed. We agree there. You had one bad take on Tarantino, but you rallied.

[Adnan]

That's fine.

[Billy]

Goodfellas is the. I am. You sh. I'm a clown. Is that that one?

[Chris Cody]

Are you asking?

[Billy]

Yeah, I just get them mixed up. I get Casino Goodfellas. They're all, like, the same.

[Adnan]

She does kind of do the same thing in both of them.

[Billy]

I amuse you. I'm a clown.

[David Samson]

That's the one.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, that's it.

[Tony]

Put it on the pole. Juju is Inglourious Bastards, the best of the Tarantino movies. And also put on the poll at Le Batard show is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood better than the Hateful Eight. And also put on the poll at Le Batard show is the Hateful Eight. Terrible. Horrible.

[Adnan]

Number one, Dan. This is a movie that started this entire list, because it's the movie that no matter what time of the movie it's on, I will watch it, and I will watch it to its entirety. Yes, he was a rat. But it doesn't matter. Number one, Denzel in American Gangster.

[Tony]

Wow.

[David Samson]

I thought you were just departed.

[Billy]

No, no, I was like, yeah, he's a rat.

[David Samson]

No, he's a rat. He was cop.

[Adnan]

He wasn't a. He was a rat. That's okay, though, because you know what this is $25,000 alpaca. You don't wipe it.

[David Samson]

You blot that shit.

[Tony]

Yeah, I like his list. It was an excellent list. I think David's would be so much.

[Chris Cody]

Different than yours if I would have edtv on it.

[Tony]

How many?

[Adnan]

I know what that is.

[David Samson]

Ed tv.

[Tony]

If we had to do a list for you, you could do one probably off the top of your head. That would be even longer than his. Would you not?

[Chris Cody]

I could get it down to five. Question easily.

[Tony]

All right, well, let's do it quickly, then.

[Chris Cody]

Number five. A few. Good. Every single time.

[David Samson]

I.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can't handle the truth.

[Chris Cody]

That's the movie. Are you number four. Fletch.

[Adnan]

Fletch is a great movie.

[David Samson]

I will. That should have been Olive.

[Adnan]

Fletch is great. Six, four, six, eight. With the Afro.

[Chris Cody]

That's very.

[Tony]

I can't believe that you like that one. Out of the whole connecting on Fletch. Tony. Tony has never known one of the old movies that you're talking about. When you go 1970s on Tony, you always lose Tony. How does he know Fletch?

[Chris Cody]

That's from the 80s. And you get the afro joke.

[Tony]

Number three.

[Chris Cody]

Number three. EDTV. That's Matthew McConaughey, Jenna Elfman. It was the beginning of the Kardashians. Who doesn't want to watch that?

[Tony]

Number two. Nobody here, evidently. Number two. No, everyone here.

[Adnan]

I've never seen that.

[David Samson]

I haven't gotten around to it.

[Adnan]

I've heard of it.

[David Samson]

I'd rather watch a Truman Show.

[Tony]

Did you not see the general indifference in the blank stares looking back at you? Nobody knew what you were talking about.

[David Samson]

Better with Jim Carrey. So I just kept moving on.

[Chris Cody]

Number two. Number two, Cast Away. I love the Lonely in Castaway. I will watch that. I'll actually make sure I find it.

[Tony]

I love the Lonely.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was on Survivor, of course. This is very of his genre.

[Tony]

Number one.

[Chris Cody]

And the number one movie that I will always watch. Stranger than Fiction.

[Tony]

A terrible list.

[Dan Le Batard]

Weird list.

[David Samson]

Mine was way better. Right?

[Tony]

Both sucks.

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