Hour 1: That's The Way I Crumble with Cookie Rojas (feat. Ron Magill)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Hour 1: That's The Way I Crumble with Cookie Rojas (feat. Ron Magill)
Release Date: July 8, 2025

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1. Mustaches: A Humorous Opening

The episode kicks off with Dan LeBatard and Stugotz engaging in a light-hearted conversation about facial hair, specifically mustaches.

• Dan LeBatard [01:05]: "Is there anything more pathetic than the mustache before it's fully grown in at LeBatard Show Fair? It's just pathetic."
• Stugots [01:16]: "I know, it is terrible."

This playful banter sets a humorous tone for the show, highlighting the hosts' camaraderie and knack for relatable, everyday topics.

2. The Kirk Cousins Quandary

A significant portion of the episode delves into the recent developments surrounding NFL quarterback Kirk Cousins and his tenure with the Atlanta Falcons.

• Dan LeBatard [01:51]: "He said that he would have stayed in Minnesota if he had known they were going to draft Michael Penix or anybody that high that he felt a little bit misled."
• Greg Cody [03:10]: "He was terrible. And then they pulled the plug. That wasn't their intention to pull the plug on him."

The hosts discuss Cousins' dissatisfaction with Atlanta's management, particularly regarding the drafting of Michael Penix, and whether Cousins made the right decision in joining the Falcons. They analyze Cousins' performance issues and the implications for his career longevity.

• Stugots [06:27]: "Kirk Cousins needs to come to the realization that he's on that path that Andy Dalton was on. He's on the path that Russell Wilson is now on."

The conversation touches on the broader context of aging quarterbacks in the NFL, comparing Cousins to other veterans like Andy Dalton and Russell Wilson. The hosts debate whether Atlanta's investment in Cousins was misguided given the team's strategic direction.

3. The Mystery of Fake Podcasts

Transitioning from sports, the hosts engage in a comedic segment about fictional podcasts, testing each other's knowledge and creativity.

• Dan LeBatard [10:34]: "There's no way it's real."
• Greg Cody [12:10]: "Why wouldn't you make that up with."

This segment showcases the hosts' improvisational skills and humor, as they invent and debunk fake podcast titles featuring fictional hosts and scenarios. It's a playful interlude that adds variety to the episode.

4. Ron McGill’s Australian Wildlife Adventures

Ron McGill shares his incredible experiences from his recent trip to Australia, focusing on unique wildlife encounters.

• Ron McGill [22:11]: "The number one holy grail that made me literally tear up was seeing a platypus in the wild."
• Ron McGill [24:22]: "I saw about seven different platypuses, and one of them actually came right up to the flipping canoe and looked at me."

Ron describes witnessing rare animals like the platypus and cassowary in their natural habitats, emphasizing the beauty and uniqueness of Australian wildlife. His vivid storytelling transports listeners to serene lakes and dense rainforests, highlighting the platypus's elusive nature and the cassowary's formidable presence.

• Ron McGill [29:16]: "It's incredible, right? And it lays eggs, guys. It's a mammal that lays an egg."

His enthusiasm for wildlife conservation shines through, as he encourages listeners to appreciate and protect these remarkable creatures.

5. Critique of Urban Meyer’s Coaching Career

The hosts shift focus to a critical analysis of former college coach Urban Meyer's transition to professional football coaching.

• Dan LeBatard [14:52]: "Urban Meyer, it is amusing to me to continually see him... being able to sort of climb his way into a place where no one cares what's in his mercenary past."
• Stugots [41:19]: "I wouldn't personally [put Urban Meyer in charge of anything]."

They discuss Meyer's legacy, contrasting his collegiate success with his less successful stint in the NFL. The conversation highlights Meyer's struggles with adapting to the pro environment and the impact of his management style on his career trajectory.

• Dan LeBatard [39:44]: "Why would Urban Meyer think himself better than these agents when he makes his money the same way like he thinks he's above them..."

The debate touches on issues of humility, leadership, and the evolving dynamics between coaches and management in professional sports.

6. Engaging Audience with Interactive Segments

Throughout the episode, Dan encourages audience participation through polls and interactions, enhancing listener engagement.

• Dan LeBatard [24:35]: "Put it on the poll, please."

These interactive moments ensure that listeners feel involved, making the podcast more dynamic and inclusive.

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the diverse topics discussed, from sports controversies to fascinating wildlife adventures, leaving listeners entertained and informed.

• Dan LeBatard [34:07]: "We've missed him. Ron McGill travels all over the globe helping people..."

The show concludes on a high note, celebrating the contributions of their co-hosts and setting the stage for future engaging discussions.

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Notable Highlights:

• Humorous Banter on Mustaches: [01:05] - [01:45]
• In-Depth Analysis of Kirk Cousins' Career Decisions: [01:51] - [10:31]
• Comedic Fake Podcast Segment: [10:34] - [19:03]
• Ron McGill’s Platypus and Cassowary Encounters in Australia: [22:11] - [25:47]
• Critical Discussion on Urban Meyer’s Coaching Legacy: [14:52] - [41:24]
• Interactive Audience Engagement: Throughout the episode

This episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" offers a blend of sports analysis, humor, and captivating personal stories, making it a compelling listen for both regular fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with.

[Stugots]

The Stugats podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

For no particular reason. Juju, put it on the poll, please. Is there anything more pathetic than the mustache before it's fully grown in at LeBatard Show Fair? It's just pathetic.

[Stugots]

I know, it is terrible.

[Dan LeBatard]

It just feels like you've missed a spot shaving and you're just gonna go full mustache. You're gonna go Mike Ryan and just mustache. You're gonna. No goatee, Nothing. Soon Greg Cody. When's the last time Greg Cody had just a mustache?

[Stugots]

Greg Goatee. It's been a while. It's been a long, long time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh no.

[Stugots]

It really is bad.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, yeah. It's pathetic. It just. And it's. And that's like 10 days of growth, right?

[Stugots]

No, it's not. 10. Come on. I think I began not shaving my upper lip three, three or four days ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

I wanted to ask you about the thing that's in the news today as we are gobbling up any crumb of football information that you will give us with this sport. About eight weeks out or so, not that long before football is here. One of the more curious stories last year I thought, and somewhat unexplained, was Kirk Cousins in Atlanta and he has finally said on the new Netflix series Quarterbacks. He's still in Atlanta, by the way.

[Ron McGill]

That's what he said.

[Greg Cody]

I couldn't believe that because he's a.

[Dan LeBatard]

Part of this, he had to say it in order for me to believe.

[Greg Cody]

He was part of this quarterback show. I'm like, yeah, what happened to him? It was a foregone conclusion he was going to switch teams and Nope, just contract too prohibitive. I guess he's just there being lied to by Atlanta.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, he said a little bit misled is what he said. And Kirk Cousins, he said that he would have stayed in Minnesota if he had known they were going to draft Michael Penix or draft anybody that high that he felt a little bit misled. And I thought it was fair criticism from him. I think you're entitled to know when making your decisions whether a future employer has slightly more than a few months really invested in you and it would have affected his decision. He was saying, I would have just stayed in Minnesota. He would have had that. He would have imagined himself having the season that Sam Bradford just had.

[Zaz]

I mean, as long as they pay you the same.

[Stugots]

Do they owe, do they owe you.

[Greg Cody]

That info, Sam Dornal?

[Stugots]

I think so.

[Billy Gill]

Gabby. These are two different things, right? Like there's one part where he's saying, I felt misled. I wouldn't have signed there because there's a finite amount of time he has. It's not going to be multiple years once they draft Michael Penix, but he certainly had more than a few months if he played well. He was terrible. And then they pulled the plug. That wasn't their intention to pull the plug on him. They, they would have desperately wanted Michael Penix to take zero snaps last year. He took snaps because Cousins was bad.

[Stugots]

Yeah, that's a bad combination. Playing poorly that salary and being that age.

[Greg Cody]

Kirk Cousins had a couple of games there, which he promptly got. I don't even think it was promptly because there were three consecutive weeks where he was very clearly done. The interceptions that he was throwing as bad as you.

[Dan LeBatard]

What, what I didn't understand, he was missing very basic, basic throws. And it made me just think he was injured. And I was waiting for this Netflix series to find out how injured was he because his arm strength didn't seem to be the same. There would be just these little outs that he was throwing into the, into the turf. And I'm like, wait a minute, this is somebody who's accurate. Like, I don't recognize this quarterback after a few weeks. And one of the reasons that I'm interested in the Netflix series is to, to see what the mental approach is. When you've come out of Minnesota, you go to Atlanta, they've invested in you as if you're a big time quarterback. You are one of the great thieves who hasn't won anything at the position because you've made so much money. And it would have been better to be in Minnesota Last year, he would have had a much easier time of it. Where you're not trying to make Kyle Pitts into what we all thought he was going to be in college, and you've got Justin Jefferson instead. But I want to ask Zaz, because I've again made this Sam mistake, evidently, where I don't. I did this after the Stanley cup final where I'm sitting there making the mistake of confusing Sam Bennett and Sam Reinhardt.

[Billy Gill]

Unforgivable.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you ruled that it was unforgivable, and so I'd like to get a ruling right now because I just did it again with Sam Darnold. Did you see? I don't trust Sam's. Like, I. Sam's in sports are giving me trouble, and I want to see if the mistake that I just made. Did you hear the mistake that I just made?

[Billy Gill]

What did you refer to Darnold as you call him? Bradford.

[Stugots]

Bradford.

[Dan LeBatard]

I called him Sam Bradford. And so I'm getting my Sam. I've got a glitch somewhere in the system that makes Sam Darnold Sam Bradford and Sam Reinhardt Sam Bennett. It's because I don't think anybody who's Sam can be good at sports. And I'd like to add a Norman to the conversation. By the way, since we're talking about Norman Powell today, you can only that there's a ceiling on how good a Norman or a Sam can be at sports. Before I'm like, that's as good as he's going to be. He's going to be about as good as Sam Bradford. Wow. So let's get. Let's see if this. Get a ruling here on is this forgivable? Is this a forgivable mistake or unforgivable? Do I need to pay a fine for my Sam Bradford mistake?

[Billy Gill]

Not being able to tell the difference between Minnesota Viking quarterbacks. If it was Sam Bradford, who I do believe at one point was a.

[Dan LeBatard]

Minnesota Viking quarterback, well, is it a forgivable mistake?

[Billy Gill]

And Sam Darnold. Forgivable.

[Stugots]

Whoa. Really shocking.

[Ron McGill]

Yeah. Forgivable.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, you mentioned that.

[Stugots]

Forgiven.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. The thing that I wanted to ask you, Greg, is Kirk Cousins. Is it fair that he feels misled? Like, did he deserves something better than that from the Atlanta Falcons when he was a free agent? And does a potential employer owe you that as some kind of truth or. Sorry, it's cold as business.

[Stugots]

I think a veteran of that accomplishment and that longevity deserves the truth from his general manager. It can be. We want to draft Michael Penix but we think he's a year or a year and a half away. We definitely want you next season. And after that, let's see. But Kirk Cousins needs to come to the realization that he's on that path that Andy Dalton was on. He's on the path that Russell Wilson is now on. He's the former quarterback, the aging former starting quarterback of great accomplishment. Pretty good career, you realize now over the hill.

[Dan LeBatard]

You realize how fast that happened though? Because it happened in seven games. Yeah, it happened in seven games last season. Where he's the answer. He's the answer. What Atlanta's going to invest in that. Oh, never mind.

[Stugots]

See, he's got a long future. He's got five, six more years if he's willing to be a savvy backup.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, but Greg, you see though he's 36. This is where quarterback historically age and Tom Brady just changed all the math for us. Same way with Drew Brees who kind of started tailing off as he approached 40. And these are all time great quarterbacks. It would make sense that a guy like Kirk Cousins hits a wall at 35. It makes all the sense in the world. History is your indicator.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is correct. It's just the six games that catches me off guard. And it's not what Atlanta was banking on. And when, when he says that it's the coldness of the business that he's got to go out there and prove himself over the months. I don't know how it affects someone mentally to believe they've just changed their entire life for an employer. They've left the safety of where it is they were for the pressure of. I agree to be the nuclear epicenter of your football city. I agree to contract terms. How much faith does my employer have in me? Oh, half a season. It's, it's, it's half a season of faith. It's not a season. Two seasons, it's not. We're going to groom Michael Pennock for 18 months from now. You cannot tell me that Kirk Cousins went into last season thinking that by this season he'd be in the position you're talking about him in, which is he's got to accept that he is now a back, that he's Andy Dalton now when he just signed $100 million contract and believes that he would have been in Minnesota what either Sam Bradford or Sam Darnold would have been last year.

[Greg Cody]

It was just really confusing. And you feel for Kirk Cousins a little bit in that he made that decision. He had plenty of suitors. And he got a hefty payday for it. Everyone settled on, okay, that's the direction that Atlanta is going in. But then they drafted Penix and then everybody would have told you, yeah, mid season, Kirk Cousins is probably going to struggle a little bit like he usually does, hits a little rough patch, and then everybody will be calling for the first round draft pick to come in. It became super obvious when they made that draft pick. The whole thing that was bizarre was, well, if you're going to make that draft pick, why'd you sign Kirk Cousins to one of the richest deals in the history of the sport?

[Dan LeBatard]

Correct.

[Stugots]

But. But Minnesota signed J.J. mcCarthy. They were going to move on from him, too. And that's the reason that Aaron Rodgers didn't end up in Minnesota. Old quarterbacks have to face their reality. There's. I'm going to use the Dolphins as an example. With Tua's injury status, he's still a young quarterback. The last thing they need is a Zach Wilson as a backup. They needed an Andy Dalton, a Kirk Cousins as their backup. And there are a dozen teams.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is Kirk Cousins doing revisionist history? I do believe my history is, yeah, Kirk Cousins, if he had wanted to stay in Minnesota, would have stayed in Minnesot, Minnesota and probably would have had a season that looked a lot like Sam Darnold's or Sam Bradford's.

[Ron McGill]

I know.

[Greg Cody]

Off base with Xavier Scruggs.

[Dan LeBatard]

There's no way that that's a podcast.

[Greg Cody]

Off base with Xavier Scruggs.

[Dan LeBatard]

Are all or fake? Are all the names taken?

[Greg Cody]

Real or fake?

[Dan LeBatard]

I just said it's fake.

[Ron McGill]

There's no way it's real.

[Greg Cody]

Off base with Xavier Scruggs, a poker pod called Two Aces with Dallas Kaikal and Aaron Nola. A poker pod called Two Aces.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why would you make that up with.

[Greg Cody]

Dallas Kaikal and Aaron Nolan.

[Billy Gill]

Why wouldn't you make that up?

[Dan LeBatard]

By the way, Perry Hill is still in the big leagues with the Seattle Mariners. Incoming. That's a news story in Seattle. The disgrace. The disgrace that has been brought on Perry Hill. Eternal Nice Guy by David Sampson is going to become a news story.

[Greg Cody]

We demand a response. Perry Hill, you have till the end of business. Two Aces. A poker pod with Dallas Keiko and Aaron Nola.

[Ron McGill]

I'm going to guess yes, that is a fake podcast.

[Stugots]

Oh, no. It should be.

[Greg Cody]

Take a Walker with Michael Walker. Real or fake?

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not real.

[Greg Cody]

Take a Walker.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, it's not right.

[Greg Cody]

Take a Walker with Michael Waka.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not real.

[Greg Cody]

He has a fake podcast.

[Ron McGill]

We're cooking though.

[Stugots]

We're cooking.

[Greg Cody]

Built for the Sorm with Jeremy Atheltist. Storm with Jeremy at Felt. Real or fake?

[Dan LeBatard]

What are you.

[Ron McGill]

Why are you making faces I just don't understand?

[Billy Gill]

Like who cares what Jeremy Aphel has to say?

[Dan LeBatard]

I just cared a minute ago what Dallas Keichel had to say about poker.

[Greg Cody]

Real or fake? Built for the Storm Jeremy affiliate two aces. You get it because it's about poker and they use the pitch Jeremy at Felt Built for the Storm podcast is indeed real.

[Dan LeBatard]

That I didn't get it. I believed it. I believe that they got with their marketing teams and they put together a hell of a podcast.

[Greg Cody]

World Series of Pokers. Going on the Hot Corner with Todd Zeal.

[Ron McGill]

No, that's not a.

[Greg Cody]

That is indeed fake.

[Ron McGill]

You got me.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, but you've got the. You've got the tell of anything. There is nobody doing a baseball podcast who is a player who made me laugh in the 90s with merely their name.

[Greg Cody]

Turning to with Brandon Phillips and Orlando Cabrera.

[Dan LeBatard]

They're not friends in real Life.

[Greg Cody]

Come on. 2010 Reds.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, I don't believe that they're truly friends.

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard is there? Back in my day.

[Stugots]

There is actually.

[Greg Cody]

What are you not gonna tell anyone? Wait a minute, you guys. Guys, it's a Tuesday.

[Ron McGill]

Stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Here's your guy, Greg Cody with Back in My Day.

[Stugots]

Okay, here it is. Sorry, adultery.

[Greg Cody]

We're waiting for this one.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan lebatar show with the Stugats. Urban Meyer, it is amusing to me to continually see him, no matter what the controversy is, be able to sort of climb his way into a place where no one cares what's in his mercenary past. He can continue to traffic off of being whatever Urban Meyer was that was a God in college and a disgrace in the pros. There are very few human beings who have gone to the pros and can't last a season in that job. I think Lou Holtz was one of them. Where you're just a college coach and you had the ego of a professional coach. And as soon as you got to the pros and exhibited that ego in a way that had no humility in it, you got run off within a year. Like you are in terms of you being access to leadership. Vocal guy. As a college sports authority, I cannot tell you how much you pale compared to Nick Saban even, who only lasted one year in that position, but not quite with the disgrace of going straight to becoming a clown because of his professional experience. And Urban Meyer now says that he was offered a job to sort of be a general manager for a college football program and his response was dealing with the agents of 17 and 18 year old kids. I would rather put a rusty nail in my foot, step on a rusty nail and take it out myself than do that. Do you guys think it's that much different dealing with an agent than whatever it is he was dealing with before, when it was the families and the brokers and the friends of the economy? Like, do you guys think that what he's saying. Why would Urban Meyer think himself better than agents when all he is is. Is.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, but it must be so much different agent, otherwise he wouldn't say that he dealt with it before. It must be so much different.

[Dan LeBatard]

Right, but he's the same creature is what I'm saying. Agents Dealing with Urban Meyer are dealing with the same sort of economy salesman that Urban Meyer thinks he's dealing with when he's dealing with the agent for a 17 or 18 year old. The reason Urban Meyer doesn't want to deal with the agent for a 17 or 18 year old because he's always been the agent for the 17 or 18 year old. He's more comfortable with that structure than the one that's presently in place where you take away his power and now you give that agency to somebody who actually is around the money. And you've neutered Urban Meyer. He can't run a program that way.

[Greg Cody]

Paul Feinbaum was on First Take and he revealed that Urban Meyer once told him that Cam Newton is the worst player he ever dealt with. He once coached a murderer.

[Dan LeBatard]

You guys do understand, right? The mythology that we sort of build around these glorified salesmen make it so that Urban Meyer thinks he's better than these agents when he makes his money the same way like he thinks he's above them when all he did was traffic in 17 and 18 years old. And when he had to deal with men he could not like, they ran him out of the league in a year. A laughingstock. Didn't respect him. Nick Saban kept his respect. Nick Saban could go back to college and not be this used car salesman mercenary that Urban Meyer is while still grifting off the game like he's still making his money as a powerhouse voice on television because people extend him a credibility that suggests he's less used car salesman than he actually is.

[Greg Cody]

The triple option with Urban Meyer, that is.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is a fast ascending podcast. I've seen that is real. Who's on that podcast?

[Greg Cody]

Mark Ingram and Rob Stone.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, I heard funny things about about that podcast because that podcast is ascending. But I'm guessing that Fox would like it to be ascending for them.

[Billy Gill]

What do you hear about it?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just saying like that. That is a very popular national college football podcast, but it also is something that should seemingly belong to Fox, that belongs to other people because they just went out and did the same thing away from Fox that they were doing on Fox.

[Greg Cody]

Fox is interested in getting the game. Ain't no change in it was the Darius Smith is out there for the pluck.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can we get that up and running? By the end of the day, I want our fans to make that action actually climb. Because there is.

[Ron McGill]

By the end of the day, there's.

[Dan LeBatard]

A domain name I want. At the very least, I just want a link for our fans to be able. It could be Mike Ryan with a fake voice just giving the intro to this podcast until we've located Zedarius. Look who we've located here. It has been much too long since we have seen Ron McGill. He has been in Australia. I am upset that Billy Gill is not here today because I thought that Billy Gill blasphemed while you were away. And I wanted you to correct the people here who all were mocking the Everglades as a national park. All of these spoiled South Floridians who've gotten used to what our wildlife is here. They say that the Everglades stinks when it comes to national park status compared to all of the last place they ranked it, the Everglades in national parks. And I wanted Ron McGill to set them straight, because just because we're used to how unusual our wildlife is, doesn't mean there's not a mate, like, more amazing wildlife in the Everglades than there is just about anywhere.

[Ron McGill]

Absolutely. You're absolutely correct. I mean, you know, you go into the Everglades and you can see, you know, 20, 30 species of birds, alligators, turtles, snakes. I mean, there's so much wildlife, but you have to take the time to look at it. Now, granted, when you first drive into the Everglades, it's flat. It seems to be somewhat, you know, a monoculture, Not. Not a lot of different species of trees. But when you look at it closer, oh, my gosh, you got to give it time, and things start coming out of nowhere. I mean, it is a plethora of wildlife, all kinds of great wildlife. Like I said, granted, it doesn't give you that initial impact. Like when you go into Yosemite and you see, oh, Half Dome and you see these massive mountains and waterfalls. I'll give you that. But when you sit and look closer, the amount of wildlife that you will see will put something like Yosemite to shame.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think that the average person would believe that.

[Greg Cody]

You know, you don't have to argue that for Yellowstone. Hey, take a closer look. If you really look at it, there's all these different types of trees. We like topography here. Points against.

[Zaz]

Take a closer look.

[Greg Cody]

I actually had that on my list. Take a closer look with Eric Gagne. Take a closer look.

[Dan LeBatard]

Take a closer look with Angel Hernandez.

[Stugots]

That's great.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ron, you just got back from Australia. You've been gone for a while. We have a big fan base in Australia. How were your travels?

[Ron McGill]

It was incredible. One of the first things that happened to Me is some guy comes up to me in Melbourne, Australia and goes, oh my God. Well, I can't do the Australian accent, but he had it very strong.

[Zaz]

Please try, please try.

[Ron McGill]

I can't, I can't, I can't. Yeah, you're on McGill. I go, yeah, yeah. He goes, oh, I'm a big fan of listening to the Levitar show. Are you kidding me? I actually took a picture with the guy. I'll text it to you. Because the guy comes up and goes, I can't believe you're here. I go, I can't believe you just came up to me and said you're a big fan of the Levitart show in Australia on the other side of the world. And it happened more than once. It was incredible. It happened in Sydney as well. So, you know, kudos to you guys. You guys are doing a great job.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, that can't be the best thing from your travels though. I wasn't.

[Ron McGill]

It was far from the best thing from my travels.

[Dan LeBatard]

So what. What did you see that was foreign? What did you see that you had never seen before?

[Ron McGill]

Okay, a lot of things that I'd never seen before in the wild. But the number one holy grail that made me literally tear up was seeing a platypus in the wild. A flipping platypus. We traveled up through this rainforest road and you know, they only come out, they're very rare. First of all, incredibly secretive. It's one of only two egg laying mammals in the world. The echidna and the platyp. This thing looks like it was put together by a Dr. Seuss puppet. Okay. It's got a duck bill, it's got little beady eyes, it's got a beaver tail, it's got flippers like an otter. It's an unbelievable little animal. Only one of two egg laying mammals. Only comes out like one hour before and after sunrise, one hour before and after sunset. You'll only see it on the water. You don't see them on land because they only live in a burrow on land. But they spend all their time in the water. And man, we went up to this little lake, it was like this. You drive up this rainforest road and all of a sudden it opens up and there's this little lake. It was so ethereal. There's not one single person anywhere to be seen. All you hear are like the kookaburras, you know, bears and all different kinds of sounds and frogs. And this lake is just like mirror glass. And I'm thinking, oh my gosh if I see a platypus here, I'm going to lose my flipping mind. And sure enough, no more than 10, 15 minutes. He points, he goes, there. I go, look. And I saw, like, this little silver thing on the top of the water. I said, what is that? And then I saw it go down. I go, oh, my God, is that a platoon? He goes, yes, yes, yes. Patience. We're in a little canoe. We can't make any noise. I literally had to take the shutter sound off of my camera. Thankfully, my camera can shoot silently, so it doesn't make the shutter sound, because he says even if they hear the shutter sound, they'll disappear. So we stay perfectly still. And make a long story short, we saw about seven different platypuses, and one of them actually came right up to the flipping canoe and looked at me. I couldn't believe I was shaking so hard. I was wondering if I was ever going to get a sharp picture. But I did, and that's like the holy grail for me. So that. That is the pinnacle, then, seeing the freaking cassowary in the Daintree forest, the place that Sir David Attenborough called his favorite place in the world. Okay. The cassowary is considered the most dangerous bird in the world. Has a huge middle claw that can eviscerate you in a second. Flightless bird, but, you know, it can stand over 5ft tall. And, man, we saw this thing come out of the forest. I couldn't believe I saw it in the wild. Not just one, but two. An adult and a youngster. Fantastic experience, man.

[Greg Cody]

You said seven platypuses. You said seven platypuses. Is that the accurate way to say it? I always. I thought it was, you know, I don't know.

[Ron McGill]

I don't know if it was platypi. Platypuses, or just platypus. I don't know.

[Greg Cody]

Platypuses.

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll, please.

[Ron McGill]

You know, see, I knew you were going there, Mike. I knew you were going there. I knew you were going there. That's why I tried to. I tried to, you know, deflect it as fast as I could, but, no, you stuck with it.

[Dan LeBatard]

At Lebatard show, the plural of platypus. Platypus I or platypuses. I'm not doing yours, Mike. At Lebatard show, but also put on the poll. Did you know that the platypus was incredibly secretive and hard to see? Because that's not something that I knew. And this runs contrary. What's Making you weep there. They seem wildly unimpressed with. Oh, really? Ron went all the way to the other side of the country to see the top of the head of a platypus in the water.

[Ron McGill]

Well, I saw that. The head, the tail, the whole nine yards, I saw in the water. And I saw up to seven of them. And yes, it is pretty flipping incredible. But you guys are so shallow minded, you'd be more, you know, more impressed with seeing, you know, someone do some stupid sports trick. Okay, I'm not.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not with them on this, but I can just see they're unimpressed by what it is that you're trying to tell them. Even though the platypus is one of the most amazing cartoon creatures there's ever been. That. No, that nose doesn't even make any sense. What's happening?

[Ron McGill]

It's incredible, right? And it lays eggs, guys. It's a mammal that lays an egg. Come on. This is cool stuff.

[Greg Cody]

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[Ron McGill]

Experience.

[Greg Cody]

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[Stugots]

Don LeBatard the elephant went into a 711 and bought a pack of cigarettes. But my question to Ron is this, Stu Guts.

[Dan LeBatard]

That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to. We all just stared at it all. This is the Don Levitar show with the Stuga. We've got some other cool stuff to play for you here. I want you to tell me here what this is. This is buried in the sand on the beach here. You tell me what this animal is. You're always telling us how weird the sea is. If I were in the ocean or walking along the beach and doing this, and this is what I pulled out of the. Out of the sand. Oh, I don't.

[Zaz]

Like an octopus of some sort.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, that. Is that an octopus? What is that?

[Ron McGill]

Not an octopus. That's some kind of anthropod, but I don't know. Alien.

[Dan LeBatard]

What is that?

[Ron McGill]

It's some kind of. Some kind of anthropod, I believe. I'm not sure, but that's not my expertise, guys.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, but that. That's not an octopus. Is that. Is that its eye? Is that its eye?

[Stugots]

Better be.

[Dan LeBatard]

What is that?

[Ron McGill]

No, I think that's its mouth.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Are you sure? I'm just trying.

[Ron McGill]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure of anything.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, let's take a guess right now. When it comes out again, and I will say I mouth or. What is that that's coming out of the water right there at the top? I. You have to be right Eye, mouth or ass?

[Ron McGill]

I'm saying mouth.

[Zaz]

Greg, paint the picture for the audio audience.

[Greg Cody]

What do you.

[Zaz]

What are they looking at?

[Ron McGill]

Here.

[Stugots]

It's a real ugly thing coming out of the mud with something that looks like an asshole.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, good words. Good. Good use of words for a writer. That is not helpful to the audio audience.

[Zaz]

There are tentacles.

[Ron McGill]

That's why I said no.

[Dan LeBatard]

But you're your father, a wordsmith for a living. Just like. I want you guys to try and draw what he just described. And he called it mud. It was. It wasn't even beach sand. He called it mud, and he just said an asshole came out of the sand as if David Sampson had appeared.

[Stugots]

Whoa.

[Ron McGill]

I like that.

[Dan LeBatard]

It is a squid. Like, it's got a number. Pull it up again. It's got a number of different tentacles. It looks like the top of a court jester's hat. In terms, it looks a bit like an alien. But then when you get past the octopi part of the situation, then it's just a slab of body that I don't. What would you. It's like a slab of beef.

[Ron McGill]

It looks like that's what it is. I think those tentacles are like the whiskers on a catfish where it finds its food, and then it inhales the food through the opening, which is the mouth, and then it is absorbed through that body.

[Dan LeBatard]

But this is why I think it's the asshole. Look how close it is to the tail, Ron. Look. That's the tail in the back of it, is it not? That's hanging out until the. To the floor.

[Ron McGill]

No, I think that's some type of antenna. I think that's some type of antenna. I don't think that's a tail.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is great video. It's not great audio, but it is great.

[Ron McGill]

It's fantastic. I don't know what it is. Like I said, you know, the ocean hosts so many secrets, and I certainly don't, you know, profess myself to be an expert of ocean life, but it was pretty incredible.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, let's look at this video with Ron. This is a herd of water buffalo, and it comes back to save a calf from a pride of lions. I don't know.

[Ron McGill]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know how much you get moved by things like this in the wild. How often do you get moved by things like this? This bad for the lions. The lions need to know not to mess with this calf. Correct.

[Ron McGill]

That's true. That is true. You know, Cape buffalo are considered the most dangerous animal in Africa. You know about the experience I had with one of them, and you were there, as a matter of fact. Lions don't mess with Cape buffalo. They're just trying to get that calf. I don't know how this ended up. My suspicion is that the video is really cool, but at the end of the day, they probably got that calf anyway.

[Stugots]

Oh, no.

[Dan LeBatard]

You think so? Because it's. Oh, no, Wait a minute. No, no, I take it back.

[Ron McGill]

No, no, no. Go back up there. The calf lives. I thought it was just that one female with the calf and the pride of lions, and I said, no chance. But now when I saw the reinforcements come in, it's over. Lions got to call it a day.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, what about this video here? What are your thoughts here on this human being who decides that he is going to high five a bear here? How dangerous?

[Ron McGill]

Idiot.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's an idiot, all right, but he seems a solid dad. It was good high five. It looks like it's a. It's a baby bear, and.

[Ron McGill]

Yeah, okay, okay.

[Stugots]

Big baby.

[Ron McGill]

You know, you can't fix stupid Dan, and people like that make it dangerous for people who come after them. That's what the problem.

[Dan LeBatard]

But he got a successful high five that you can't dispute.

[Ron McGill]

Really? Is that. Is that. Is that your conclusion here, looking at this video?

[Dan LeBatard]

Am I wrong?

[Ron McGill]

Dan, stop it. Okay, that's perpetuating.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's a fact. He got a successful high five.

[Billy Gill]

I think it's a human in a costume. Not gonna lie.

[Ron McGill]

It does look like one.

[Greg Cody]

Posture's too good.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's look at this. Stan Van in or Stan van out? Ron McGill. Is this a human being in a costume In a bear cu. Are you Stan Van in or Stan Van Out? On that is David Sampson in a bear costume.

[Ron McGill]

We had the same issue with that one bear in China. Remember? They thought they could. There was a whole TikTok craze. The guy in a costume standing there. Bears can stand up that way. I've seen it firsthand.

[Stugots]

Looks like he's tipping over.

[Dan LeBatard]

Rob, no one has been hurt more by the way that Zoom distorts sound than you because you're great with animal sounds. So I wouldn't ask you to repeat an animal sound for us now because of how zoom distorts it, but can you tell us what your favorite animal sou sound is?

[Ron McGill]

Favorite animal sound? You know, I think it's the lyrebird, because the lyrebird can make so many different sounds that it's hard to believe it's one animal. I've heard lyrebirds, like, mimic fire alarms and other animals. And drinking water. It sounds like water lyrebirds. If you Google that, Liberty sounds of lyre birds. You'll be blown away.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is this what the lyre bird sounds like?

[Stugots]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Does the lyre bird sound like that?

[Ron McGill]

Oh, it can. If it heard it, it could reproduce that sound pretty well.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is the liar bird.

[Stugots]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

What animal makes that sound? What is the closest animal in the animal kingdom?

[Ron McGill]

It sounds like Elmer Fudd to me. I don't know.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's pretty good. Ron, welcome back. It is nice to see you again, sir. Thank you.

[Ron McGill]

Hi, guys. Have a great.

[Dan LeBatard]

We've missed him. Ron McGill travels all over the globe helping people, interns, people who want to live a fun life around wildlife. He just comes back from a trip in Australia. I can't imagine how fun that was for the winners that were with him to see the world that way. And thank you to all of our fans in Australia who were kind enough to find Ron McGill in the wild and give him a hug. If you want to support his endowment, you can do so. It is submitted substantive and you listeners are the biggest donators that Zoo Miami has ever had. So we thank you for that. So. Oh, we've got more of this, do we?

[Greg Cody]

The Stinking Truth with Mark Schlerith.

[Stugots]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's got to be true.

[Greg Cody]

That is a real podcast. Chirpin with Jeremy Roenick.

[Stugots]

I say. Yeah. Chirping with an apostrophe. I love that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you?

[Stugots]

Yeah, you can't have the G on the end. Gonna lop it.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so I want to ask. I want to ask you guys, when has trash talk escalated to chirpin? And. And. And a similar question. When has an argument finally gotten to heated? Like, when does I. I want to know the spot in where. Because chirping is. It's not the worst of trash talk.

[Zaz]

It's pretty low, I'd say.

[Stugots]

Isn't that just hockey chirping?

[Zaz]

It's definitely used a lot in hockey, but I would call it chirp is just like a harmless thing, like a little pass by.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a small bird is where it comes from. But I think chirping is the lowest form. It is the mildest form of trash talk. Is it not even an argument that is heated is something that is more. More threatening in nature than chirping. Chirping is the weakest form of disagreement in sports. Is there not?

[Greg Cody]

No, not in hockey. Chirping, especially. Especially in this Stanley Cup Final. It was. It was pretty bad.

[Zaz]

Yeah, but the chirping, Roy.

[Dan LeBatard]

But it's not.

[Zaz]

It's not fighting it's just chirping.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chirping is. It's parakeets. It's not even adult birds that chirp.

[Greg Cody]

Is it a real or fake podcast hosted by Jeremy Ronan?

[Dan LeBatard]

Do adult birds chirp or is it just baby birds that chirp? Is the chirp made by a baby pick?

[Zaz]

Any bird can chirp.

[Greg Cody]

It's fake.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is it within a podcast?

[Greg Cody]

Fake podcast. We made it up. Deal With It. Hosted by Jonathan Papelbaugh. Deal With It. Hosted by Jonathan Papelbaum.

[Dan LeBatard]

Deals.

[Ron McGill]

Yes, I. I get what.

[Dan LeBatard]

I get what's happening here, but I don't believe that that is a podcast. I don't believe. Believe that Papelbaum has any great desire to have his words out there.

[Billy Gill]

His real podcast is called Pap Smear.

[Ron McGill]

That is true.

[Greg Cody]

Deal with it with Jonathan Papel Bond. Not real. That's the Way I Crumble. Hosted by Cookie Rojas. That one's fake. Can of Corn with Joe Mays.

[Stugots]

I see what you're doing there.

[Dan LeBatard]

Does. Does Jeremy Roenick have an actual podcast? Because he does. It's just not that one.

[Ron McGill]

Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're. What you're doing right now is this shell game of throwing people at me who have podcasts, but disorienting me with the name.

[Greg Cody]

Is can of Corn with Joe Mays a real podcast?

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait, why. Why did you move off of Cookie Rojas? So.

[Greg Cody]

Because that one was obviously fake. Is Issa with us? That's the way I fumble with Cookie Ross.

[Stugots]

Excellent.

[Ron McGill]

Is not a real one.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is. But wait a minute.

[Greg Cody]

But. Can of Corn with Joe Mays.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did you just kill Cookie Rojas?

[Greg Cody]

No, I asked the question.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jeremy Ronick, still with us, has a. He's got a real podcast called Snipes and Stripes. It's him and an NHL referee temple.

[Greg Cody]

That's good. Can of Corn with Joe Mays.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, that's not a podcast.

[Greg Cody]

His last name is maybe.

[Stugots]

It's amazing.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's not fake. It's not gonna be nobody.

[Greg Cody]

C' est la vie with Ron, say.

[Stugots]

The Penguin.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is not a podcast. And why. Why would any. Why would ron, say a third baseman for the 70s Dodgers, start a podcast? It's ridiculous.

[Greg Cody]

I'm getting to it with Sean Green.

[Ron McGill]

No, is.

[Greg Cody]

I'm getting to it with Sean Green. A real podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, that's not a real podcast.

[Greg Cody]

It should be.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, it shouldn't be excellent. The thing that you're doing that is wrong and. And ruins the game.

[Greg Cody]

I'm getting to it.

[Dan LeBatard]

This could be a good game, but you're ruining it because every Time. It has got an obvious tell by you. Just naming a 90s player that you remember. Like you. All you.

[Greg Cody]

I'm getting to it.

[Dan LeBatard]

All you. Sean Green. Is that. Is that he. He got a lot of money from the Dodgers and.

[Billy Gill]

And that he doesn't play on Russia.

[Dan LeBatard]

He doesn't play for the Jewish holiday. That's correct.

[Greg Cody]

That's the breaks with Kurt Busch. That's the brakes.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm gonna say that is a podcast.

[Greg Cody]

I'm gonna say no, them's the breaks. Is.

[Ron McGill]

Ah.

[Dan LeBatard]

And.

[Ron McGill]

But it's got him.

[Greg Cody]

You idiot. Of this game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Say what needs to be said is what started all of this.

[Greg Cody]

Deal with it.

[Dan LeBatard]

With Jonathan Pavel.

[Greg Cody]

Look at me when I'm talking to you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you believe Greg, when I turn that music off, when I say what I do about Urban Meyer? The audience has no real revulsion to Urban Meyer being on their television. The audience supports the idea that Urban Meyer was an expert on this thing, and therefore him saying that he's disgusted by what the game is now, as if what he was presiding over was somehow pure when he had a murderer in his huddle. And now he's just objecting to the fact that the power and the money have shifted in a way that he can't control. And it's what made his NFL experience such a laughingstock that he couldn't control adults the way that he can control children when the power structure was set up for him to control children.

[Stugots]

Well, as a championship coach, he's always going to have that platform and that prestige, and it can survive scandal and disgrace. But I don't blame him, and I understand his saying that he doesn't want to be involved in what's happening now. I said yesterday, I forget how exactly how it came up that the last thing I would want to be right now is an athletic director in college sports. Because there's just too much going on. There's too many directions. There's much too. There's too much too many revenue streams. It's tough to keep track of. That's why all these college basketball programs are hiring general managers and everything now. They've created a whole new echelon of jobs in the sport because an AD cannot handle everything.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why, though, would you put Urban Meyer in charge of anything?

[Stugots]

I wouldn't personally.

[Dan LeBatard]

But why would anybody. Why would he be the results?

[Stugots]

Because he's got the perfume of being a championship coach. I mean, he does. He is an accomplished college coach. You know, that that stays with. That's for eternity. I mean, he's always going to be that.

[Greg Cody]

Hey, everybody, it's Mike down here in South Florida. As the audience well knows, we've been celebrating a proper championship, and we've been enjoying every minute of it. And by my side throughout that entire championship celebration has been Miller like. Yeah, I wanted to make my championship time a Miller time. Because much like most of the fun memories I've had as an adult, Miller Lite has been right there by my side, supplementing every experience. And now that I'm about to travel during the summer, you can rest assured I'm going to be having plenty of Miller Lite along the way, because that's what summer is all about. And since 1975, Miller Lite has been right there. And all those memories for you listening right now, it's the 50th anniversary of Miller Lite. That's 50 years of great taste, great friends, great moments. Miller Lite, great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories at 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.