Hour 1: The Dark Web (feat. Ron Magill)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Hour 1: The Dark Web (feat. Ron Magill)
Release Date: August 5, 2025

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1. Andrew Hawkins' Legendary Signed Football

The episode kicks off with a fascinating discussion about Andrew Hawkins' prized possession—a unique signed football that has signatures from the top 11 NFL rushers of all time.

• Andrew Hawkins (00:25):

  "This is my holy grail right here. That's a football that I've worked for the last 15 years to get these signatures. It has the top 11 NFL rushers of all time signed on this one football."

• Jon Weiner (00:10):

  "I'm completely calm, even though you just did something that, to me, would get my heart racing."

Andrew elaborates on the meticulous effort required to gather signatures from legends like Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, and Adrian Peterson. The football, although deflated, stands as a testament to his dedication, with Andrew humorously debating whether to donate it to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame or keep adding more signatures as new players ascend the ranks.

• Andrew Hawkins (02:28):

  "I think what I'm going to do is get top 15 and then donate it to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame."

The segment highlights the sentimental and monetary value attached to sports memorabilia, sparking engaging banter among the hosts about the authenticity and potential sale value of such collectibles.

2. The Dark Web and the Future of Sports Betting

Transitioning from sports memorabilia, the conversation delves into the contentious topic of sports betting, specifically focusing on Governor Mike DeWine's efforts to ban proposition bets (prop bets) in Ohio.

• Jon Weiner (13:43):

  "Governor Mike DeWine in Ohio is trying to ban prop bets because he's so upset with what happened to the two Guardians pitchers who are gonna be suspended for life."

The hosts discuss the implications of such regulations on the integrity of sports betting, comparing it to challenges in other industries like the stock market and day trading.

• Jon Weiner (16:07):

  "If we can run a show with this much chaos, you can run a business with Shopify."

Andrew Hawkins shares his insights on maintaining integrity within the sports betting ecosystem, emphasizing the importance of educating bettors rather than imposing prohibitions.

• Andrew Hawkins (17:21):

  "Kind of like violence in movies... But it feels real sometimes."

The discussion underscores the balance between regulation and personal responsibility, advocating for a mature approach to managing the complexities of legalized betting.

3. Wildlife Safety and Zoo Management Challenges

In a surprising turn, the episode explores the intricacies of wildlife safety and zoo management, featuring insights from co-host Ron Magill.

• Ron McGill (38:11):

  "Male lions rarely live past twelve years in the wild."

Ron discusses the recent euthanization of a 17-year-old male lion, Jabari, due to severe spinal arthritis. He elaborates on the challenges of ensuring the well-being of aging animals in captivity.

• Ron McGill (38:11):

  "The fact of the matter is that he's been treated with a lot of different medications for this very severe spinal arthritis... it's just a humane thing to do."

The conversation shifts to safety practices when encountering wild animals, such as bears, highlighting the differences between handling black bears, brown bears, and hornets. The hosts share personal anecdotes and safety tips, emphasizing the importance of understanding animal behavior to prevent dangerous encounters.

• Dan Le Batard (31:11):

  "If it's a male, guys. Yeah, I'd go... Any male mammal gets a blunt force trauma to the groin is going to feel it."

The segment provides listeners with practical advice on dealing with wildlife threats, blending humor with educational content to keep the discussion engaging.

4. Memorable Moments and Closing Thoughts

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts reflect on personal experiences and share light-hearted moments, such as Jon Weiner's encounter with AI-generated animal videos and his fascination with the movie "Nobody 2."

• Jon Weiner (25:49):

  "Ron, what do you do with a dead lion? Like, do you cremate it?"

The episode concludes with a cheerful exchange about recent sports events, including the Marlins' games and fan interactions, leaving listeners with a sense of camaraderie and anticipation for future discussions.

• Dan Le Batard (44:00):

  "Always a pleasure, David. Go Marlins, baby."

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Notable Quotes

• Andrew Hawkins (00:25):

  "This is my holy grail right here. That's a football that I've worked for the last 15 years to get these signatures."

• Jon Weiner (13:43):

  "Governor Mike DeWine in Ohio is trying to ban prop bets because he's so upset with what happened to the two Guardians pitchers who are gonna be suspended for life."

• Ron McGill (38:11):

  "Male lions rarely live past twelve years in the wild."

• Dan Le Batard (31:11):

  "If it's a male, guys. Yeah, I'd go... Any male mammal gets a blunt force trauma to the groin is going to feel it."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a rich tapestry of discussions ranging from the fervent world of sports memorabilia to the nuanced debates surrounding sports betting regulations. The episode seamlessly transitions into wildlife safety, providing both educational content and entertaining banter. With contributions from Ron Magill and engaging host interactions, listeners are treated to a multifaceted exploration of topics that resonate with sports enthusiasts and wildlife aficionados alike.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the ST Podcast.

[Jon Weiner]

I'm completely calm, even though you just did something that, to me, would get my heart racing.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Really?

[Jon Weiner]

You walk in, you put your hand in your bag, and you pull out a signed football. And I love memorabilia.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Jon Weiner]

And I'm a collector. But you pulled out something, and I see two things about it. One, I see that it's a football. That's a Paul Tagliabu football.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

So that. That means it's old school already, as him being commissioner.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yep.

[Jon Weiner]

Two, I see it signed by multiple, multiple players. But it's deflated.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, I noticed that, too.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's odd.

[Jon Weiner]

What do we got going?

[Andrew Hawkins]

So this is. This is. This is my holy grail right here. That's a football guy. This is a football that I've worked for the last 15 years to get these signatures. It has this. The only football in the world ever, in the history of human existence, that has the top 11 NFL rushers of all time signed on this one football. So from Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Curtis Martin, Ladanian Thomason, Jerome Bettis, Jim Brown.

[Jon Weiner]

We were gonna guess.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah. Okay. You can keep going. There's more.

[Billy Corben]

And you want to give that away to a fan today?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I would.

[Dan LeBatard]

Slap on it.

[Billy Corben]

So nice of you.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Sponsored by DraftKings. We are giving this. No, absolutely not.

[Chris Cody]

$1,000.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah. Let's start the bidding. And I'm literally here. I wanted you to.

[Jon Weiner]

Gail Sayers.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Gail Sayers is not in there.

[Jon Weiner]

Is he not a top 11?

[Andrew Hawkins]

He's not a top 11.

[Jon Weiner]

Is he ever. Did he retire too early?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I believe so.

[Jon Weiner]

And he just got passed.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I'm thinking about expanding it. I was going to do top 10, and it was the top 10, and I got. The first one I had was Walter Payton. I bought it at an Emmett Smith charity auction. So I. I bid on it. I'm like, oh, a Walter Payton signed football? And then I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna get Emmett to sign it. So I got Emmett to sign it there, and then it sparked. And so for 15 years, every time I go somewhere, anywhere, football related, I keep it. Keep it with me. And last week, I was at the AAU Junior Olympics in track and field, and there was one signature I'm missing in the top 11. It was Adrian Peterson. And he walked by me because his son was running. I called my wife. I had her overnight the football. I brought it to the track meet and had Adrian Peterson sign it. And now I have I don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

What I'm doing here, but there's just something about top 11 that doesn't slap.

[Andrew Hawkins]

As opposed to top 10.

[Chris Cody]

You could have stopped at top 10.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It was top 10. It was. And Jim Brown, When I got to the Browns, I got him. But what happened between 2014 and now? Frank Gore got into the top 10.

[Jon Weiner]

I see what happened.

[Andrew Hawkins]

And then Adrian Peterson got in the top 10. And so right now, I could go number 12 is Marshall Falk. I think number 13 is Marcus Allen.

[Mike Ryan]

But you go to Tahoe, you can get all these.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Number 14 is Ed James, and number 15 is Franco Harris, who has passed. So I have to wait for Derrick Henry to get top 15, and then it can get back to a better number than 11.

[Jon Weiner]

So you're just waiting, and you carry it around. And when you see someone, do you say to the person, hold on, Let me call my wife?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

I'm gonna do a quick FedEx.

[Andrew Hawkins]

If I don't have it with me.

[Jon Weiner]

Why would you have it with you?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Because if I go to a Super bowl, if I go to, you know, combine, if I go to the hall of Fame game, if, you know, literally got that thing on it, I keep that thing on me. Exactly. You see, I reach in that bag, you better hope I'm pulling out.

[Chris Cody]

You ever tried to.

[Jon Weiner]

That's not funny.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Like, yeah, I forgot. You don't like violence.

[Chris Cody]

Send it to Baltimore. Get Derek ahead of time.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't. I got to do it personally.

[Tony]

Once they make the list.

[Andrew Hawkins]

They got to make the list, and then I have to go get it myself. And with picture evidence. Get the.

[Mike Ryan]

Have you ever gotten close to a.

[Andrew Hawkins]

No. Yes. Tony Dorsett's wife was pissed at the hall of Fame. Yes. Because it was like. There was, like, a bunch of lines. And I'm at the hall of Fame as a guest. They brought me there because Joe Thomas was being inducted.

[Mike Ryan]

VIP badge.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Got that VIP badge. And they walked me over there. And she was pissed because hall of Famers make all their money off of the autograph. So you pay for the autograph, you get in the line as a pro. She was cutting eyes. I mean, she wasn't wrong.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, who's this?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, it was. It was like. She was like, oh, that's so and so. She's like, I don't give a damn. And she wasn't wrong. I should have just got in line. I should have just did it that way. But she was. That was the only situation where so.

[Mike Ryan]

Tony have to step in.

[Jon Weiner]

I'll do It.

[Billy Corben]

Why don't you just like sell her after or something?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I offered to, but I think it was principal at that time. And again, I don't. She wasn't wrong, you know. Who the hell do I think I am? Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

Baseball hall of Fame. I didn't follow the rules, Hawk, just so you know. It's. There's a rule. No autographs.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

For the Baseball hall of Famers up in Cooperstown on the weekend. It's a set rule. They go to places on the. In the town and like from 11 to 1, John Smoltz will sign.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jon Weiner]

And you stand online, you have to buy something, but you cannot go up to a Hall of Famer. They will not sign anything because they do make money. But the number one question we should be asking, and you can show everybody.

[Mike Ryan]

What's his number?

[Jon Weiner]

Curtis Martin signed it. It was. If you can get it on camera. But if you're listening, it's the biggest signature ever. Look at the size of that. How can you allocate that much space to one guy?

[Ron McGill]

I like it though, because you could. Like I'm. I'm all the way here through the glass and I could see the only one says Curtis Martin. So many, so many guys now it's just chicken scratch. Their autograph. Autographs suck these days. Curtis Martin. That's a great signature.

[Jon Weiner]

It's a great taking up half the football though. What happens? Go top 15. Where are they going to sign it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

If there's no room? They don't make it. I don't mind. Do your thing, baby. If that's your autograph, I just want the autograph.

[Ron McGill]

That's respectful. What CT Mar is doing there? I like it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I think what I'm going to do is get top 15 and then donate it to the NFL Pro Football hall of Fame.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to let it for your kid.

[Billy Corben]

Dude, lame.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I mean, yeah, but I could get like. What's the number?

[Mike Ryan]

Everyone's got a number. What's your number right now?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't have it right now. You.

[Mike Ryan]

You got a number?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Offer me right now. I'll tell you if I do it.

[Ron McGill]

$5.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay. You are bad at guessing. I'm not with you, Samson. I was trying to defend them. Absolutely.

[Jon Weiner]

Are you crazy? What's wrong?

[Tony]

Also bad at this game.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah. It's also equally as bad. Five dollar guesses as bad as a.

[Mike Ryan]

Former NFL player says he doesn't have a number. I mean, I don't know.

[Ron McGill]

Let's meet somewhere in the middle $6.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay.

[Jon Weiner]

That ball right now, my guess is worth about no more than ten grand.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Maybe.

[Jon Weiner]

If I were to guess, probably not value bad.

[Andrew Hawkins]

And that's why I wouldn't.

[Jon Weiner]

Why would you sell it for ten grand worth way more to you? Yeah, to get it and then to inflate it and then put it in a case and live with it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

And also give it to the Pro Football hall of Fame. They'll put a little like Andrew Hawkins. It would be my ability to get to the Pro Football hall of Fame by doing the. Doing the sweat equity is what they call it in business. If you don't know that, Samson, it's. Yeah, you don't give it. I didn't earn it. But. But you're there. But I'm there.

[Tony]

Did you shake Adrian Peterson's hand, by the way?

[Chris Cody]

Oh, same question.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I did.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really?

[Tony]

It's the hardest handshake I've ever.

[Mike Ryan]

I can still feel like, I would.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Say the majority of guys on this. This ball have like a very similar handshake.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really?

[Mike Ryan]

Not Adrian Port, but everyone talks about aps.

[Tony]

Almost broke my hand.

[Mike Ryan]

I've shook some other running backs hands.

[Ron McGill]

Almost broke your hand. I'm not trying to.

[Tony]

He goes in for two handshakes. He gives you the first one, and then he squeezes it harder to let you know you're.

[Mike Ryan]

And the first one is hard. So you're like, oh, this is the thing I've heard about. And then he goes like, deeper in.

[Jon Weiner]

That's why you give knuckles pound.

[Andrew Hawkins]

But also, you know, I. You go, I got a firm handshake when I, you know, I don't get it.

[Tony]

The thing is, when you don't know that, that's. That's on the opposite side.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Tony]

You're going in with a normal handshake. And then he goes to crunch.

[Andrew Hawkins]

And then you're like, oh, see, I.

[Mike Ryan]

Feel like I want to go in there right now and test out your handshake, but you're just gonna squeeze hard.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I'm just gonna normally just go ham on your hand. Hey, yo. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Jon Weiner]

I love that piece of memorabilia. Now. Did you think there's someone in Miami? What is the reason why you have it currently?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Because I live here.

[Jon Weiner]

So you brought. No, but you brought it. You don't actually walk around with it, do you?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I was excited about it. I got an autograph that I was, like, chasing for a while. I sent a ad AP a DM like a year ago. Like, hey, at some point I'm going to run into you And I need to sign, just so you know, giving you the heads up. And I ran into him in Texas, so I'm like, whew. It's like a relief because also with a lot of the older players, I mean, you don't know. It's just life is short and people are old and that's like what happens. And players go and.

[Jon Weiner]

Is that your leading line you're about to croak?

[Andrew Hawkins]

No.

[Jon Weiner]

So listen, I gotta get.

[Ron McGill]

You need that signature before you die.

[Jon Weiner]

Is that what you did to Tony?

[Andrew Hawkins]

You get that John Hancock, I'll flip you. I'd appreciate it. Nah, that's not what I did. Absolutely not.

[Jon Weiner]

I don't like the way you handled it though.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't care.

[Jon Weiner]

It looks like you were putting your fingers through the signatures when you were showing it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, because I'm so mad. I am not an actual. Like, I'm not sitting outside these places to make money and go put it on ebay.

[Jon Weiner]

Well, but you wouldn't want it smudged.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's not going.

[Jon Weiner]

Hall of Fame won't take it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's. It's permanent ink, man. There's no smudge to that.

[Ron McGill]

Is that true? There's like one signature smudge. They'll be like, now we don't want this.

[Andrew Hawkins]

No, that's not true.

[Jon Weiner]

Well, it has to be something on an unbelievable.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It has to be a one on one that actually fits into their history. This does. This is a lost art form. They don't even run the ball anymore. You know how hard it is going to be for people to get in the top 10 of rushing from now till forever. This thing will gain value as time goes on.

[Jon Weiner]

But you're hoping for a replacement on the list.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I thought they're coming because Derek Henry is 600 yards away from being number 15.

[Jon Weiner]

And then he stuck, but then that's it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, I'll stop at 15. Nobody else probably has a chance. Maybe Saquon would be tough. Weirdly, Jonathan Taylor kicking Franco Harrison how, how long he plays. But it'll be tough for any new person to get into top 15.

[Jon Weiner]

Saquon has no chance.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's tough his age. He'd have to probably go for 2,000 for like the next like four years. I think he's at like 7,000 yards last time I checked. And you need to be probably in the 12, 12,000. 12,000 range.

[Mike Ryan]

12,100 is 15th right now.

[Jon Weiner]

You don't think Saquon has 5,000 yards in him?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't know.

[Jon Weiner]

Well, he's not on that council, there's a throwback. We talked about the president's executive council yesterday.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Oh, is that a throwback? That was recent.

[Jon Weiner]

Well, throwback to yesterday.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay. Is that a throwback for yesterday? Is that a callback?

[Jon Weiner]

Callback is better than a throwback.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay. All right.

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[Chris Cody]

Don LeBatard we like to call this one a chorus of Owen Wilson Ready Stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Andrew Hawkins]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Jon Weiner]

Do you use prop bets?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Mm, no.

[Jon Weiner]

So the big thing is happening in the sports world and we are a DraftKings show. We're on the DraftKings Network. But stay with me. Mike. It's gonna be okay. Governor Mike DeWine in Ohio is trying to ban prop bets because he's so upset with what happened to the two guardians pitchers who are gonna be suspended for life. Do you know about Emmanuel Clase, the closer? He may have thrown a ball on purpose.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Wow.

[Jon Weiner]

That'S not good.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That is. That does not sound good. What would the equivalent in football? You gotta always talk to me in.

[Billy Corben]

Football equivalents and war terms.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Also, which battle and like which Pearl harbor lever?

[Chris Cody]

Bunker Hill pitchers throw balls on purpose all the time.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Gettysburg.

[Jon Weiner]

Is it like you can't bet on what you're gonna throw next?

[Chris Cody]

That's the problem.

[Jon Weiner]

And then do it purposely. For example, you can on the play from scrimmage first play the game. Will it be a run or a pass? You can bet that, right? What happens if the quarterback in on it and is having people bet?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, that's bad.

[Ron McGill]

I mean it's like what if you.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Know he's trying to hold that cough?

[Jon Weiner]

How?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Because he knows what's happening.

[Chris Cody]

You're tearing apart at the seams.

[Mike Ryan]

Nobody knows you coughed a couple of times.

[Andrew Hawkins]

What happens that. What about that preemptive cough? Didn't work.

[Billy Corben]

I'm starting to think that wasn't preemptive. I'm starting to think there might be some sickness in him.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That's what I'm trying. Everything's good.

[Jon Weiner]

Can we keep going, please?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Because when you purpose keep calling to prevent yourself from coughing and you cough, that doesn't sound like you're in as much control as you're letting on. You're sick. It's okay.

[Billy Corben]

We all get sick.

[Jon Weiner]

Yeah, I'm not sick.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He's also not a big break guy either. And he. He busted me pretty. He was mad at you for going to the bathroom.

[Jon Weiner]

We don't need to talk about that on the show. We can just do the show.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You're right.

[Jon Weiner]

So what?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Not if you can't speak.

[Jon Weiner]

No, go ahead. You scare me. The way you look, though.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah. Now we're getting into.

[Billy Corben]

Hold on a second, man.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I was. I was. I knew the racism would come at some point.

[Jon Weiner]

It's not racism.

[Andrew Hawkins]

An hour and a half in, it.

[Jon Weiner]

Has to do with that you're wearing a militant suit.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay, now it's militant. Now it's militant. The aggressive black guy trope. Go ahead, Samson. I heard this one. A million.

[Jon Weiner]

Like his hat or no, I've heard it once. I've heard a million times from some whitey.

[Chris Cody]

You were about to piss off DraftKings.

[Andrew Hawkins]

As you were no good. Piss off DraftKings.

[Jon Weiner]

I would like to compliment DraftKings, because DraftKings, what they do is. And I had this conversation in Cooperstown with. Look at me, David, the commissioner, as we talked about what the gambling companies have done to actually provide integrity to the game and to make it so people get caught. To make it so you can believe in the bets you're making, that it's not fixed, that people get worried about the stock market saying, how can I be a day trader when it's possible? Politicians are maneuvering the market. I'm going to lose. We don't want that for our sports and our sports betting.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Right?

[Jon Weiner]

So when a player is doing something that flies in the face of what's fair and gets caught, he has to be suspended for life. But what the governor's doing is going too far. Banning all prop betting, meaning we don't want the temptation. And my view has always been that I don't want to take away anyone's temptation. I want to educate people not to give in to the temptation because you can't have a world. It's like an alcoholic who refuses to acknowledge that there's alcohol in the world and won't go. If there's a dinner party where someone's having a glass of wine, they won't come because I can't be around anyone having a glass of wine. You got to learn to live with other people are going to do stuff.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Kind of like violence in movies.

[Jon Weiner]

Except, yes, that's fake, though. But it feels real sometimes.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

And I was just wondering if you had an opinion on. As a player, you were a professional player. The temptation that players feel today is something that we're trying to deal with as sports industries and leagues, because it can be overwhelming when the minimum is at a number where players aren't making a lot of and they have an opportunity to make a whole lot more.

[Ron McGill]

Like, were you ever aware of any of that stuff?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Ooh, this is a tough topic. A deep enough Google search. A good old episode of Hawk Finds Gout will show you my connectivity to something like this that I don't want to talk about. But I have been close to something similar. We'll put it that way.

[Jon Weiner]

I mean, you're going to make me Google in the middle of a show without you just summarizing to give your slant on the point of view to make it sound even better than it was, maybe.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Although I'm tempted to speak, I've been taught to fight temptation in the instances where I don't want to, David. Because my parents did a very good job.

[Jon Weiner]

And I'm gonna keep pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing, saying, come on, man.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's not going to be as easily available. You gotta wait.

[Jon Weiner]

We have to go to, like, the Dark Web.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Not the dark. I like that Dark Web.

[Jon Weiner]

You've never. I assume that's where you can sell that football.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, there it is. Dark Web.

[Jon Weiner]

There's a whole world out there. Lot of bad things happening to bad people. By bad people, I.

[Andrew Hawkins]

What is your life, bro? What is your life?

[Jon Weiner]

I would have no way of getting on the Dark Web. I can barely control the apps that control my alarm system.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

I would not be able to get on the Dark Web.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You wouldn't be able to do it. Don't do it.

[Jon Weiner]

No, I don't.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Wouldn't.

[Chris Cody]

Wait, does anyone here ever been on the Dark Web?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Is that like a. Like. Like a specific category of.

[Jon Weiner]

It's a different.

[Tony]

What are you doing there? You're about to get on this. On the freako list.

[Dan LeBatard]

Be careful.

[Andrew Hawkins]

This.

[Chris Cody]

I don't mean, like, Black Twitter.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay.

[Jon Weiner]

You thought it was a race issue.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Like. Wait, are we talking.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, we're still not talking about the same thing. You need to be careful.

[Andrew Hawkins]

All right, we're good. We're good.

[Chris Cody]

I've been on, like, Netscape Navigator before.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That's.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't. I don't know how to get on the dark web.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I really don't.

[Jon Weiner]

I don't either.

[Tony]

It's a process. You got to do a lot of things to try and connect to the dark web.

[Dan LeBatard]

You have to do.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Don't do it.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I feel like Tony would be.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just saying things, kind of asked. So Tony can explain it. Yeah.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You know a guy.

[Dan LeBatard]

How do I do a guy?

[Chris Cody]

How do I get on the dark web?

[Tony]

Do you have to connect to like something else that connects to something else? I don't know the technology of it, but I know you need to connect to like a tour thing and then that connects us.

[Ron McGill]

It's like a different kind of ethernet.

[Tony]

Yeah, it's like something completely different.

[Jon Weiner]

I believe it has to do with IP addresses, not with the. Your ethernet cord, Tony. Like you have to unplug the regular. You got to plug into the net cord and re. Plug in like a dark web Ethernet.

[Tony]

Telling you there's things that we don't understand.

[Jon Weiner]

Juju. Can we put it on the poll? Do you need a separate ethernet cord to get on the dark web?

[Chris Cody]

I would defend Tony if I did want to get on the dark web. He'd be the only person here that I would ask because not that he would give me advice, but he knows a guy.

[Jon Weiner]

No guy for sure, but you know.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I'd want a hardwire if I was going like dark web.

[David Samson]

You got a hardware that WI fi.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It would definitely make me feel better about hardware. Like I don't want to.

[Tony]

You need the hardware and a VPN.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Because I don't know who that sets.

[Tony]

Up the WI fi and then bounce it back over here.

[Ron McGill]

I want the hardwire because I know that when I want it disconnect from the dark web, I just unhook it. All right, we're good.

[Andrew Hawkins]

We're good.

[Tony]

Now you guys get it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Makes sense.

[Tony]

I got a guy, though. If you need to get on the.

[Mike Ryan]

Dark web, I got a guy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Howdy, folks, it's Mike Ryan.

[Chris Cody]

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[David Samson]

So Bob Odenkirk is one of my actually all time favorite actors. He could be comedic, he could be dramatic obviously Better Call Saul, one of the great shows literally of all time. And a couple years back he showed up out of nowhere as an action star in the movie Nobody and I honestly really loved it. I couldn't believe what I was watching and had an absolute blast. Was blown away by his physicality. Movie was a ton of fun. And now he's back in the sequel Nobody 2, hitting theaters on August 15th. So Bob returns as Hutch and this time he tries to go on a vacation with his family, only for all hell to break loose. It's really a delight to see a guy like Odenkirk kicking some serious ass. Nobody 2 is produced by 87 north, the same team behind hits like John Wick, Bullet Train, and the Fall Guy. Film also stars Connie Nielsen, RZA, and the legendary Christopher Lloyd and Sharon Stone. Nobody 2 is a perfect summer movie. You don't want to miss this one. Nobody 2 is only in theaters August 15th.

[Tony]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard if all the raindrops were lemon drops and gun drops oh, what.

[Chris Cody]

A rain that would be Stugats Standing.

[Dan LeBatard]

Outside with my mouth open wide Ah.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Ah, ah ah ah ah ah ah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ah if all the raindrops were lemon drops and gumdrops oh, what a rain that would be this is the Dan Le Gods.

[Jon Weiner]

Well, we have our own guy. And even though that Dan is away, there was no way we were gonna go a week without speaking to Ron McGill. I mean, why would we ever do that? Hello, Ron.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hello, David. Man, I'm telling you. What. How about that Yankee sweep, my man?

[Ron McGill]

Hell, yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

Sold out Marlins park, baby.

[Dan LeBatard]

That was great. I mean, I was. I'm telling you something, that was huge. Nothing gave me greater pleasure than seeing those Yankee fans become almost suicidal. Mets fan.

[Jon Weiner]

That's a little strong, Ron. But we'd like them to never win a game. That's what we would like. The Yankees to leave. I wanted all Yankee fans to leave and rip off their shirts and put on marlin shirts. That would have been a preference.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was great because I got to tell you something. I would say probably 75% of the people in that stadium were Yankees fans.

[Jon Weiner]

But their money was green.

[Dan LeBatard]

Good point.

[Jon Weiner]

So I was totally fine with it. I actually have no vested interest in anymore. But did you then watch the Marlins last night against the Astros?

[Dan LeBatard]

I watched the first couple of innings and that wasn't making me happy, so I switched it off.

[Jon Weiner]

That's okay. Sandy gave up a couple of runs. We have a bunch of video. I have to show you one, and I need. There's some stuff going on with animals, and I keep seeing it, and. Ron, I'm having a major problem right now in my life, among other things, I am very confused by what's AI and what's not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, you listen. Yeah. Join the club. Me, too. And I'm an animal expert. I see stuff online now that I know cannot be true, but looks so real, it's unbelievable.

[Jon Weiner]

Did a whale kill someone in a boat?

[Dan LeBatard]

No.

[Jon Weiner]

Every other thing that's pushed to me is that a whale or a shark is jumping up into a boat and sinking the boat.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Is that one of your view like, there have been.

[Dan LeBatard]

There have been occasions where whales have breached and hit boats. Yes. And there's that. That one real video of the whale actually coming up while it was feeding and took in a kayaker and spit him back out. That was.

[Ron McGill]

That was real.

[Dan LeBatard]

That was real. That was real, yes.

[Jon Weiner]

How did he. What did. You knew?

[Dan LeBatard]

He made a mistake, got rid of it really quickly.

[Jon Weiner]

So he burped up.

[Dan LeBatard]

The person basically just spit them out. Yes. I mean, that whale's coming up the way they feed, they come out from deep water and they come up and they grabbing all kinds of krill and plankton and things like that. All just massive amounts of that fish meal into their mouth. But of course, when a guy with a kayak is much bigger than anything he's used to, that's not what he's used to. And he immediately discarded it out of his mouth. It wasn't that. It was intentionally trying to get that guy. It's not like, you know, jaws coming out of the bottom, oh, I want to get snatches of. No, that wasn't it. It was going after a lot of other things. And that guy, the kayak just happened to be in the way.

[Jon Weiner]

When do you die? Does the whale have to bite you or do you have to be stuck in the stomach for, like. Do you suffocate? How does it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, it's not a Pinocchio type thing. You can't live in a whale's stomach because the acids would kill you right away. You would suffocate, of course.

[Chris Cody]

So that's a Jonah.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Exactly.

[Tony]

Do you talk to the rabbi about Jonah or. No, that's Old Testament now, it might.

[Chris Cody]

Not have been a whale. It might have been a big fish.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Maybe the whales in Nineveh are different.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, back to intelligent conversation. We had was basically, you know, a whale could actually drown you. Of course, that's one thing. But of course, that massive size, it could break your neck and break your back, any kind of fatal injury that way. Most of those whales are what we call baleen whales. So they don't have teeth, they just have filters in their mouth. So it's not like they can bite you and crush, you know, you know, cut you up with teeth. But they're not toothed whales, those types of whales.

[Jon Weiner]

Well, I'm sorry to derail you, but was the kayaker attached to the kayak? You know how you get in and you're. You're strapped in so you can roll?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not sure. I don't think so, because I think when he was spit out, he was outside of the kayak.

[Jon Weiner]

Did the kayak get spat out also?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. And you know the cool. No, no, but the cool thing, the cool thing is the father who was in front of him continued to tape this thing. He continued to tape this thing. Instead of when the whale comes out of the water, grabs the sun, you think you would drop the recorder, go, I got my son. But now he continued to tape it as the sun came out of the water. I was like, oh my God. Couldn't believe it.

[Jon Weiner]

We've got all this stuff to show you. And I didn't occur to me that this would come up, but I. There, there is a video I want to go to that apparently has bears doing stuff to each other and fighting. They could be loving, they could be mating. What's happening here?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no, these are, these are, these are bears that are quarreling. Yes, they're quarreling either over, you know, a territory, over food. But I think these are two young males and they're posturing.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I want to eat these people. No, I want to eat these people.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not what it is.

[Ron McGill]

How are these people so comfortable being close to bears that are being violent?

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, the people aren't being very, very intelligent. But having said that, these bears are so focused on each other, they don't see anything else happening around.

[Jon Weiner]

So there's no risk for them taking that fight to the people?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, there's no reason for them to take the fight to the.

[Mike Ryan]

That is still dumb though. Like we can all agree that smart.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, that's not smart. I'm going to say these people. But again, listen, guys, you know, this is a social media driven lack of intelligence. People want to get shots that they think I'm going to get clicks because I want to get this. I want to get this. I want to get this. You could die. But listen, you could get a lot of clicks too. So.

[Jon Weiner]

Yeah, I don't feel badly at all when people take selfies and fall off the Grand Canyon.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Not even a little.

[Dan LeBatard]

Now look, now look, now look, now look. You know, you may maybe feel badly about my suicide comment on Yankees. You don't feel badly about people falling off cliffs?

[Jon Weiner]

No. When you're watching Contradiction learning that about Samson, those people videoing the bears, like the safari one. When you're in a safari and you're videoing mating and all of a sudden an elephant comes at you, I feel terribly when that happens. That's tragic.

[Mike Ryan]

I think we've done a top five things David doesn't feel bad when they die doing well.

[Jon Weiner]

This one. These bears. Bears scare me.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow.

[Jon Weiner]

I've only had one encounter with a bear, Ron. It was at a campsite. In black or brown? I don't know.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Black.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's going to be black. It's going to be a black bear at a campsite.

[Andrew Hawkins]

A lot of reasons.

[Dan LeBatard]

Colorado.

[Jon Weiner]

And did you find it to be hostile? I. I was frozen because I forgot. You know, the things you're supposed to learn before you do anything with a bear. There's one way where you get big and yell. There's one bear where you get small and run or something. And I didn't remember which to do. And all of my prep and training went out the window. Ronnie, which is it? With what bear do you get big and yell?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you get big and yell. That should be your first instinct with any bear. Okay? Now if a bear, like a black bear comes after you, even after you get big and yell, you're going to fight that bear. You're going to fight that bear because that's going to give you the best chance. A brown bear or slash, grizzly bear comes at you, that's when you put your hands behind your neck, get in the fetal position and play dead.

[Andrew Hawkins]

If it's white.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because you're never going to beat a grizzly bear.

[Andrew Hawkins]

If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lay down. If it's white, night, night.

[Mike Ryan]

So if it's a black bear, what's my first move? Do I go poke in the eye? Like, what would be your first move of attack?

[Andrew Hawkins]

That's true.

[Dan LeBatard]

Cody always goes into that.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I'm serious. Like you say, fight a bear.

[Dan LeBatard]

Give me.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, punch.

[Jon Weiner]

Punch.

[Mike Ryan]

What? I think I could get right in the eyes, though.

[Billy Corben]

What about like a low blow?

[Dan LeBatard]

Like a quick, swift kick?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, like underneath. Cup check.

[Dan LeBatard]

Listen, if it's. If it's a male, guys. Yeah, I'd go. I'd go for the soft spot there. That's that. Any male mammal gets a blunt force trauma to the groin is going to feel it.

[Mike Ryan]

So not a dumb question.

[Chris Cody]

So twist the dick.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yep.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, my God.

[Mike Ryan]

Would you recommend a twist or a punch?

[Jon Weiner]

You believe when a bear is coming at you that you will have the presence of mind. Mind accurate in what you're doing.

[Mike Ryan]

If you have a friend with nothing.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Nothing will spark in you to fight. Like, nothing. You won't have like a straight up. Okay, I'm either gonna die or fight back. Even if I'm still going to die, I am going to die. Swinging.

[Jon Weiner]

If an elephant came at you, you'd fight the elephant.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I try to run first as I feel him gaining on me.

[Jon Weiner]

Then what?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Now I'm gonna get agile, and when that doesn't work, I'm just gonna keep going.

[Mike Ryan]

Gonna try to run up his trunk.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

All you got to do is hit.

[Tony]

Him with a zigzag.

[Chris Cody]

It's a tough final thought.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It is.

[Chris Cody]

Where's his dick?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, my God.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm imagining. I'm distracted. Okay, go ahead.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's really hard.

[Jon Weiner]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe in the real world that people would be able to perform that well under attack from an animal.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think you're wrong, Dave. I think adrenaline sometimes will make you do things that you weren't. You didn't think you were capable of.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't.

[Jon Weiner]

Finding out where the groin is.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't think David has adrenaline.

[Mike Ryan]

You don't know where the.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think the hardest thing. The hardest thing would be to play dead. I mean, when you're getting mauled, the hardest thing to do is to play dead.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, it's hard not to scream and yell and go, oh, my God, I'm freaking dying.

[Jon Weiner]

Right. I got another one to show them. I don't know if you've seen this, but I got a chance to hopefully.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a video.

[Jon Weiner]

It's a video, and it's really cool. Can you show the. The trunk video? What do we got here, Ron?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, my God. A beehive inside the truck.

[Jon Weiner]

Is that possible?

[Mike Ryan]

Looks like the biggest beehive you've ever seen.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. It's not only possible, it's probable. Bees look for dark, secluded places to build their hives. So that's a perfect. That's a perfect place. That's obviously a car that has not been driven for a long time, and it's just become this perfect little container to create a beehive.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Looks like a beautiful.

[Dan LeBatard]

I love it. I think that's great.

[Andrew Hawkins]

A Disney movie.

[Jon Weiner]

I've never seen a beehive that shape before. That it's side. It looks sideways.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Great architect.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Well, because they build them that way. If you were to go in, like, I've seen a beehive look just like that. When you go into, like, the attic of a house, I've been with. With beekeepers who try to remove bees that have, you know, set up shop in someone's attic, and you'll see that they actually had, like, these layers of cone that they build in there. It's pretty cool.

[Jon Weiner]

And would You. Have you ever had to dis. Dismantle. Dismantle? Is that the word? Dismantle?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I've never had to do it. I've been with beekeepers while they do it. I've watched them do it. I've never done it myself. They, you know, they basically use smoke which basically tranquilizes the bees. Believe it or not, you think smoke would cause a panic, but in bees it doesn't. It tranquilizes the, you know, we're wearing full gear because still you're going to get stung by some bees. But it's not this massive swarm attack. They seem to kind of relax a little bit. The key is to get the queen and when you take the queen out, they will follow the queen.

[Jon Weiner]

How do you feel about getting a beehive right before it's like gets going? Just when you see it start like a wasp nest or a hornet's nest or a beehive and going ahead and just taking a hose or a hammer and killing it and stopping it immediately.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Hammer to a beehive is crazy, but quite a visual.

[Jon Weiner]

It's before it's become this horrible thing that could stand.

[Dan LeBatard]

If they're. If they're just starting. If they're just starting. Yes, I would do what I can to discourage it. Now with wasps and hornets, I don't care. Those are nasty animals that can repeatedly sting you over and over. Keep in mind, when a bee stings you, it dies. That's the last ditch effort for survival to protect the hive is to sting. When a bee stings, it dies. A wasps can sting over and over and over again and a hornet can do the same thing and they do so with great pleasure.

[Jon Weiner]

Can you tell the difference between a wasp and a bee?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Absolutely.

[Jon Weiner]

I don't think I can.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really? Yes, you can. You saw the two. You would see it right away.

[Andrew Hawkins]

They're not even the same color.

[Ron McGill]

Wasps are so much bigger.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah. A wasp is like black, A little more oblong.

[Dan LeBatard]

Exactly.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Multi colored with yellow. And it's a little more compact. And then it looks like the colors.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can be very similar.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Deathbed.

[Dan LeBatard]

But a wasp is very linear. It's very long and thin with long thin wings. Whereas a bee tends to be more kind of pudge. Okay.

[Jon Weiner]

Those don't look similar to you, Hawk. I'm not gonna showing now.

[Mike Ryan]

I thought the wasp was a B.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, I mean I've never seen a yellow wasp. I'll be honest.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie.

[Dan LeBatard]

You guys have. You must have heard of yellow jackets before, right?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, but those are thicker though, right? Aren't those like a little like triple the size?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yellow jackets are wasps. Okay, but you see how the wings are kind of short and stubby on the, on the bee and the, the, the, the abdomen kind of short and stubby on the b. Whereas the wasp tends to be a little bit more elongated. The wings are much more elongated.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

Are we looking at the same picture here?

[Andrew Hawkins]

We are, but the sizes also aren't like those look alike. If you put up me and Calvin Johnson and you made the sizes similar, you'd be like, oh, I can't tell the difference between those two receivers. But then when you see us in person, you'll be like, oh, there's also, there's a clear discrepancy.

[Dan LeBatard]

The coloration on a wasp is always much more vivid than on a beat. The beat colorations tend to be much more muted.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

Can a wasps nest grow inside a trunk?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Jon Weiner]

What about a hornet's nest?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. Anywhere a bee's nest, A beehive can be established. So can a hornet in a wasp.

[Jon Weiner]

How did you know that was a beehive when we showed you the video and not a hornet's nest?

[Dan LeBatard]

Because a beehive looks very different. It's made out of a wax bees. Wax hornets and wasp nests look like they're made out of paper. It's a different type of structure. Totally different type of structure.

[Jon Weiner]

Did any of us know that? Are we learning we're getting smarter now? Of course. Billy, you knew this?

[Billy Corben]

No, I had a question for Ron, please. Ron, last week you guys lost your 17 year old male lion, Jabari.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Billy Corben]

To euthanize him because he had, you know, medical conditions and it was getting worse. Do you, is there like a period of mourning? Do you bring in another male lion? Like how do you, how do you handle that? And I guess does the male lion then serve a purpose beyond just hey, look, there's a male lion. It looks different than like a female lion for zoo goers.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, we've got no females here now. The only one that's left is his brother Kwame. And I suspect that there'll be, you know, some internal depression with Kwame. But keep in mind that both of these lions have lived way beyond their normal lifespan in the wild. Male lions Rarely live past two, past 12 rabbits. So to have him to be. He was a month shy of being 18 years old. That's pretty remarkable. The fact of the matter is that, you know, he's been treated with a lot of different medications for this very severe spinal arthritis that he'd experienced for the last couple of years of his life. And it got to the point where he could hardly get up anymore. So it's just a humane thing to do to euthanize him. Kwame is, you know, he's not far behind. I'm going to be honest with you. Kwame is an old, old lion. But we have a commitment, you know, to provide a good home to these animals until they live out their natural life. When it's Kwame's time, that's when we'll think about bringing in other lions. But generally speaking, male lions especially are not quite as social as females are. So there's not this, like, oh, my God, you know, I can't live alone like this. If I were talking about a female, that would be different. Or we're talking about other animals, herd animals, things like elephants. You don't want animals like that to ever be alone.

[Jon Weiner]

Are there lion years the way there are dog years? You just said that lions live to.

[Dan LeBatard]

I guess you could break it up that way, David. But. But keep in mind that there's also a big difference between the lifespan of a male and a female. In the wild, males, generally speaking, live a much shorter lifespan just because they're constantly fighting with each other for the privilege to be with the females are constantly defending territory. There's much greater stresses on them than on the female. A female lioness could easily live to be 16, 17 years old in the wild. In captivity, 22, 24 years old sometimes. But in the wild, it's a much shorter lifespan.

[Jon Weiner]

What's the purpose of being king of the jungle if you don't live a long time?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know if people will argue, say it's quality of life as opposed to quantity of life. You know, when you're king, that's a good time.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Isn't that why you want to be successful?

[Jon Weiner]

I want to live forever.

[Mike Ryan]

We all agree dog ears are stupid, though, right?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Your dog's seven.

[Jon Weiner]

That's math, though. But it let it. It's supposed to be informative to let you know how old. Right?

[Mike Ryan]

They don't live as long.

[Ron McGill]

Yeah, but it depends on the breed, too. Like, it's not linear.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, your dog's out.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Sorry.

[Dan LeBatard]

And David. David, you really want to live forever?

[Jon Weiner]

If I could live forever, I would. I do not want to die. Yes. 100.

[Dan LeBatard]

Really?

[Jon Weiner]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. I don't. I don't know. I don't know if I'd ever want to do that. I Mean, you know, all you'd be doing is watching everything you love die before you. And that's. That's tough, brother. That's tough. Think about it. If you had kids, I mean, make new friends. The greatest pain in the world is to have to lose a child. And you'd be losing child and grandchildren and great grand. You'd be losing them all.

[Jon Weiner]

Yes, I'm aware. But I'd still be living better than.

[Billy Corben]

Than him, better than.

[Jon Weiner]

Than me. And I want to be. I. I would like to be Justin Timberlake in the movie called. Have you ever seen In Time?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, I have not.

[Jon Weiner]

It's not the movie.

[Ron McGill]

I know what that is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, you want to be that where you have to like run.

[Jon Weiner]

If you're right, how great is that?

[Mike Ryan]

Really stressful.

[Jon Weiner]

It seems it's very stressful. But you have a time where when it runs out, you die. And you can get more time and everything costs time. You want a pack of cigarettes, that's, you know, 20 minutes. If you play poker, you could be playing poker where the ante is a year.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Genuine like opinion here. People who want to live forever scare me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. I got to be honest with you. I'm feeling the same way, David. I think it's a little self centered.

[Mike Ryan]

Bunch of people that want to die around.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Like there's nothing you won't David. On this to make sure it's them, not you.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I don't want to be 500 years old where I can't move.

[Dan LeBatard]

But he's going to be frozen.

[Mike Ryan]

I would like to live as long as possible if.

[Jon Weiner]

And by the way, Ron, let me just clarify. I don't want to be an invalid. I want to be as. I want to be able to run marathons. I want to be able to talk.

[Mike Ryan]

To you at 220 and go to Zoos at 228. You're going to be running a marathon.

[Dan LeBatard]

But listen, David, look at that. Look at the legend of Dracula. What does Dracula despise? He despised the curse that he can't die. He's in his prime the whole time. Right. He's getting to be with all these girls all the time, doing all these things that you think are great all the time, but at the end of the day, he yearns to die. Die.

[Jon Weiner]

Charlize Theron didn't die.

[Dan LeBatard]

Die.

[Jon Weiner]

That seems fine. Old guard. No one saw Old guard. Old guard too. I mean, are you not paying attention?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't think she died in Hancock. She in Hancock and in life.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know where you find the time to watch all these movies?

[Billy Corben]

He's working, Ron. How dare you?

[Andrew Hawkins]

In time is a 6.7 on IMDb.

[Jon Weiner]

And there's 22 hours in a day, so there's plenty of time.

[Billy Corben]

There's 24 hours in the day.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, don't you sleep, brother?

[Jon Weiner]

I don't two. Two a night. I give you two a solid dose. Ronnie, man, if you think that sleeping.

[Billy Corben]

Two hours a day is gonna have you live forever, you have another thing coming.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He has no idea how it's gonna die.

[Jon Weiner]

It's gonna go south for me in a hurry. I'm very aware.

[Billy Corben]

Ron, what do you do with a dead lion? Like, do you cremate it? Like, do. You know, it seems like for other animals, I might be valuable meat or something.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You study it.

[Dan LeBatard]

What we do is, you know, there are various universities and institutions doing studies on lions that might be doing studies on the liver, might be doing studies on the eyes. Those particular organs will be sent out to those. Those tissue samples will be sent out to different universities and organizations doing these studies to see what we can learn from the death of this lion. Whatever. You know, we preserve the skull for our education department here, but the rest of the lion is incinerated. We don't bury any animals here at the zoo for a couple of reasons. First of all, anybody who lives in South Florida knows you hit six inches into the dirt, into limestone, so you can't really dig these graves very well. But also, we don't want to be polluting the aquifer. You know, as you put these animals underground, that. That seeps into the. Into the water table, and you want to do that either. So everything has to be incinerated as per the United States Department of Agriculture. Maintain those rules. Once we have salvaged whatever part of the animal that we're using for research or education.

[Jon Weiner]

Thank you, Ron. I will now live with the image of what to do with dead lions as well as how to deal with bears. Thank you for being with us.

[Dan LeBatard]

Always a pleasure, David. Go Marlins, baby.